Welcome to I Could Happened Here, a podcast about a world sliding ever further into the abyss. I'm your host, Mia Wong. As the wave of atrocities committed by Israel and the Gaza strip rate is on and the moral authority of Biden and his liberal cohort crumbles day by day, a new generation of right wing media grifters have seized on Palestine as a way to boost their own reactionary brand. But these are not the standard kind of right wing
grifter that we've become accustomed to on this show. They aren't Chris Ruffo, they aren't libbit of TikTok, and although they will eventually appear on Tucker Carlson, they aren't cut from that pre existing template. These are our monsters. These are monsters birth by the left I grew up in, by the generation of new socialist radicalized by Bernie Sanders, the serience of a war, and the election of Donald Trump.
This is largely to be a set up episode to understand the background of the kinds of people who are going to come later, But I wanted to start the story with a taste of where it's going to end. Max Blumenthal is a left wing journalist with the outlet Gray Zone. He was for a very long time well regarded in anti imperialist circles. In many ways, he is the ideological predecessor to enormous portions of the modern left.
In twenty twenty one, Anthony Fauci, the former head of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases and Biden's chief health official, went on Face the Nation to face allegations and calls by Senator Ran Paul and Ted Cruz for him to step down and quote be prosecuted over the course of COVID nineteen. Yeah, after the Saint if you happen to Face the Nation, release a tweet about it. Bluementhal responded with an incredibly disturbing video. I'm going to
read the tweet. I'm not going to play the video because this guy listening to him is a painful experience. Bluementhal responded, quote Nobel winning inventor of the PCR test, Carrie Molus on Anthony, quote I am the science Fauci quote, and this is from Mollas. Tony Fauci does not mind going on camera in front of the people who pay his salary and lie directly into the camera. By the way, the part where he says lie instead of lying, there
is a direct quote that is him, not me. So to understand how absolutely it absolutely absurd this is we need to talk about who Carrie Burris actually is. So Max Bluemoenthal is correct that Carrie Mollis won the nineteen ninety three Nobel Prize for the invention of the PCR test, which is now one of the basic building blocks of biology. Like they let undergrads and college do this stuff, but
he is also an enormous crank. Berkeley's alumni magazine wrote a profile of him when he died in twenty nineteen. They described him like this quote. He'd become a vociferous critic of widely accepted scientific theories, ridiculing the notion that CFCs caused the ozone hole, that humans caused climate change, and that HIV caused aids now Okay, climate change denihilism, I think is something we all understand. The ozone layer
stuff is extremely funny. This interviews from the nineties. So in the nineties we were using these things called CFC's, which is a class of chemical that we used in like hairspray and refrigerators and using them tore a hole in the ozone layer. So the world, for maybe the last time, actually performed a collective action, stopped using them, and the hole fixed itself. So okay, obviously, carry mollis
unbelievably and very quickly proven unbelievably wrong. But the last part, the part where carry Mullus claims that HIV does not cause AIDS, we need to talk about a bit more because it is absolutely monstrous and it is going to give mollos a body cout. Even Kissinger would not in respect to. So okay, we need to talk about what HIV AIDS actually is. So I'm just gonna go to the CDC for this one. HIV human and aminio deficiency virus is a virus that attacks the body's immune system.
If HIV is not treated, it can lead to AIDS acquired amino deficiency syndrome. There is no effective cure. Once people get HIV, they have it for life, but with proper medical care, HIV can be controlled. People with HIV who get effective HIV treatment can live long, healthy lives and protective partners. And this is something that queer people fought and died for. If you have HIV. There are simple and easy tests for it. Now you can get
treatment and you can live a normal life. On the other hand, if HIV isn't treated, you can get acquired ammino deficiency syndrome AIDS, and that can and will kill you. It is what killed so so many, almost an entire generation of queer people killed the for decades and decades and decades, and it's still killing them now. Carrie Mullis, the guy who Max bluemitthal is tweeting a video of to go after Anthony Fauci doesn't think that HIV causes AIDS.
He thinks that AIDS is caused by malnutrition in poverty, and he is going to spend the rest of his life telling anyone in everyone he can, getting mainstream press coverage, telling people that HIV doesn't cause AIDS. He is the Andrew Wakefield of HIV AIDS denihilism. Lots of people believe him, including for example, the Foo fighters Dave Gruel. They believe him because he is apparently a reputable source. The man
has a Nobel prize. But unfortunately, as we've already seen from his climate denial and his CFC denial, he is spreading unbelievably dangerous lies, and this specific lie that HIV doesn't cause AIDS fucking kills people. Here's from that Berkeley article again. I don't like the way they're phrasing it. It's the you know, it's Berkeley, right like, so some stuff going to some stuff's going to be racists. His views on AIDS don't just look bad, they may have
had deadly consequences. By the late nineteen nineties, South Africa was in the midst of a catastrophic AIDS epidemic. President Thumbo mcbecky, under the spell of AIDS de nihilist including Mullis, declared that AIDS was caused by poverty, not HIV. Many
South Africans were denied access to treatment. A two thousand and eight study published in the Journal of Acquired Immuno Deficiency Syndromes estimated that as a result, thirty five thousand babies were born with HIV and three hundred and thirty thousand South Africans died of AIDS unnecessarily. This is monstrous.
And here is Max Blumenthal, who was up until very recently at the very least nominally a left wing journalist, tweeting a video of this fucking guy to attack Anthony Fauci on behalf of a bunch of right wing anti lockdown rules. Now, I especially want to do this because if you want to attack Anthony Fauci, it is very very easy to do from the left. You can attack him for his response to the original HIV AIDS pandemic,
and you know, lots of queer people have done this. Instead, Max Bluemandal is tweeting a guy is tweeting a video from an unbelievable right wing crank who were responsible for the death of three hundred and thirty thousand people. So the question we're going to be answering for the next three episodes is how did we get here and what is happening now? And to do this, we need to
talk about the rise of American Marxist Leninism. I'm going to try to present the ideology as sympathetically as possible, because it's important to understand how people came to believe in these things, because part of the horror and tragedy here is that not all of these people are the grifters and shills and right wing fanatics that the ideology spawned and who were now having to deal with people
who are on info Wars agreeing with Alex Jones. Most of them were people like us, people who saw the horrors of this world and wanted to make it better. A lot of the writing about this is clinical and antiseptic, largely coming from either academic journals or very very angry liberals. And I can't be clinical about this. I can't cover this neutraally. And I can't do that because some of
these people were my friends. There were people I loved and respected and cared about, and they're people who have now lost, and so I owe it to them to be fair about this. So what is the modern generation
of Marxist Leninism. You could start with the history of the Bolsheviks and Stalin's consolidation of power and the development of Marxist Leninism as an ideology, and you could trace it through the twentieth century, and you could trace, you know, the ways which it is and isn't the ideology that Lenin had originally been developing. But that really is the wrong place to start here if you want to understand how this ideology came to be and why so many
people came to follow it. The right place to start is America. It's with a generation of young people who grew up in the wake of the two thousand and eight financial collapse and the ruthless suppression of occupy by the Obama administration. It's a generation of people who grew up on the Internet who began to learn about the lies we've been fed our entire lives about the world
and America's role in it. They learned the lies we'd been told about the war in Iraq, about Afghanistan, about Vietnam, about Allende and Pinochet, about Cuba, about the Sandinistas, about American imperialism in Lebanon and Haiti and Guatemala and Honduras and Iran, about Patrice Lamumba and the DRC, About Sukarno and Suharto in the Killing Fields, about Thomas Sankara, about Saikuavara, about the Black Panthers, about a thousand wars and a thousand crimes of the American m Empire crime as we
could spend an entire episode just listing by name. They learned in a tremendously short amount of time that the American Empire was born of genocide, It was built by slavery, and he is sustained by replicating those genocides across the
world and at home. That the governments they were taught from birth to love and respect, slaughtered children in the streets with health fire and missiles, and then had the unmitigated gall to turn around and proclaim itself the leaders of the free world and the upholder of the rules based international order. And so they started learning about how
our capitalist economy really functions. They started reading Marx and then they started reading Angles, and it led to other Marxists into the great international enemies of American imperialism from the last century ho Chi Minh Castro to Lenin, to struggles against colonialism in Algeria, and to intellectuals like Phenonen
and militants like Asada Shakur. It led them to believe, to really believe in the struggle against capital and racism and imperialism, and that led them to Stalin and Mao, and eventually it would lead them down a darker path, a path where anything and everything could be justified if it meant defeating the American Empire, a path that told them it was their duty to back every state in the world who could even conceivably check the advance of
American power. It led them to modern geopolitics, to the belief that modern China and Vietnam or socialist states still resisting American imperialism. It would lead them eventually to backing the very Russian oligarchs that had destroyed their beloved USSR. And it would lead some of them into the very heart of darkness itself, to an alliance with anyone and everyone who opposed liberal interventionism. It would lead in the seeking alliance with the arch right wing anti communist Donald Trump.
But it didn't start that way. The co option of the ideology is a process that took almost a decade and comprised a series of debates in side the left about what capitalism, socialism, and imperialism really are and how the left should relate to nationalism in the state. We'll talk more about how these debates led to a right
wing turn at episode three. But the core beliefs anti imperialism, objection to capitalism, a rejection of liberal interventionism, and some of the darker and more conspiratorial tendencies, like accusing any protest movement against the government they supported of being CIA assets, spread like wildfire. There were contradictions from the beginning, of course, how do you square your opposition to capitalism with your support for China, a country with almost one thousand billionaires.
The solution was to lie. Lies about China, in particular abound it. Many Marxist Leninists believe, for reasons that are deeply unclear to me, that China has public housing that automatically guarantees every citizen a home. This is not true. This unclear to me if it's ever been true, even through this so I mean, I guess you could argue it was sort of true during the socialist period. It has not been true for a very very long time.
China has a lot of homeless people. But you know, these sort of lies persist because they are what you need to believe in order to believe that China is a socialist state and not a capitalist one. Another common line is that China has a fully socialized healthcare system.
This is unbelievably not true. China, in fact, used to have something like a universal medical system that they operated in extreme difficulty with groups of people called the barefoot doctors who would go to rural villages that had never really received proper medical care before and attempt to treat them. This was the thing that China used to have, and then they tore it up and privatized it, and now
Chinese private healthcare is absolute disaster. Calculations by the Chinese Journal Twang estimate that almost the entire Chinese economy is based on corporations not paying their required contributions to healthcare plans, and that if corporations actually paid into the healthcare plans of migro workers, the entire economies of entire provinces would immediately go under as an enormous majority of their corporations
immediately went underwater. And so what we're getting a sort of picture of is people begin to believe things that need to be true in order for their ant to square their anti imperialism or their version of anti imperialism, which is opposing at all costs the United States with their anti capitalism when the two began to conflict in terms of, you know, attempting to support a very obviously capitalist economy, and this leads to some very very bizarre
twists in turns. One very common thing is for socialists and socialist organizations in the US, or at least I say socialists, I made Marxist Leninists organizations to advocate for a fifteen or twenty dollars midiroom wage in China, while simultaneously celebrating three two cents an hour as the end
of poverty in China. This has never actually peneted raided the minds of the new Marxist Leninists with their endless parades of flags and new countries added every day, from the genocidal austerity bongers in Ethiopia to the hardline, murderous anti communists to rule Meenmore by baton and bullet, new Marxist Leninists were able to effectively insulate themselves from reality. This left them as prey for a new generation of right wing grifters would cynically exploit them for wealth and status.
They also garnered the hatred of the more internationalist factions of the left, and then, as their numbers expanded, the increasing ire of liberals, who, stealing a term from anarchists, began to call the Marxist Leninist tankies. This, I suspect, if you have heard of these people, is probably the word you've heard used to describe them. So we should talk about what this word actually means. But first, unfortunately some.
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To explain what a tanky is, we have to go back to, bizarrely, the nineteen fifty six Hungarian Revolution. So all right, in nineteen fifty six there was a massive uprising in Hungary. The Hungarians effectively forced their government to break with the Soviets. The Soviets respond to this by rolling a bunch of tanks across the border, claiming everyone in the revolution is the fascism, killing them all, and they were fairly successfully able to convince a large number
of Communists that the Hungarian revolutions really were fascists. They were aided in this by the fact that the liberals also lied about what the Hungarian Revolution really was, and this is a lie that they continue to spread to this day. The liberal version of the revolution is that it was, you know, it was a liberal revolution by people who wanted liberal democracy against the Soviets, hotel Terrrianism, etc.
Etc. Etc.
And that's also not true. The reality of that uprising and what most of it was was a rebellion by the Hungarian workers' councils. So workers across their factories seized control of their factories, threw their bosses out and began to manage and democratically the different workers' councils like foreign regional federations. It is very stunningly, very very similar to the original Soviets of the nineteen seventeen Russian Revolution, which in theory the USSR is supposed to be named after.
But when they reappeared again, the Soviets just absolutely smashed them because they weren't advocating for a Soviet aligned one party state. And what this actually meant was tanks rolling up to the gates of factories blasting apart the very workers' councils who are supposed to be the basis of communism. This was an attempt, in some sense, yes, to implement democracy, but it was an attempt to implement democracy in the factory, and it was attempted by the working class to seize
control the means of production and manage them themselves. Now, the smashing of the Hungarian Revolution led to a split in enormous numbers of communist parties all across the world.
The people leave communist parties and droves. This is a big enough deal that it spawns effectively like a crisis in China, where there is a series of bast strikes and people chanting like here another Hungary, and in particular, the British Communist Party had a guy on the ground in Hungary reporting of what was happening, and his reports split the party between the people who supported the Hungarians
and the people who supported the Soviets. The latter faction became known as tankies for their support of rolling tanks across the border and slaughtering in the working class. The term was revived in the twenty tens to describe the return of Marcist Leninists, so though much of its usage was about Russia and Syria rather than the original Hungarian uprising.
Now it is true that all of these people do actually support or they do actually believe that the Soviets were crushing like the return of fascism, but that that actual belief, like the belief in you know, that the Soviets were right to crush the Hungarian Revolution, is effectively irrelevant now except as a sort of marker of loyalty, because you know, the USSR is gone and the Hungarian Revolution is gone too, and so what's left is a term that on the one hand does correctly, you know,
it does correctly describe a part of their political tradition, but it has it has a tendency to sort of anchor these arguments in the past instead of the presence with the substance of disagreements with the Marxist Leninists actually are now marxistlenin Iss. They're also just yeah, they're called mls to Marxist Leninists absolutely hate being called tankies except under you know, the circumstances where they adopted ironically, and I'm of two minds. I have called these people's tankies
a lot. But the biggest problem with calling these people tankies is that the original tankies, the people who supported the Soviets butchering the Hungarian working class, were actually communists. They were Marxistlninists who supported the USSR and believed that state ownership of the means of production was the socialist
transition to communism. These modern quote unquote Marxist Leninists don't even believe that both Stalin and kruis Chef, for all the differences, would have had these people shop for supporting
capitalists in their imperialist market economies. If you tried to explain to Mao that Deng Jao Ping, with his people's billionaires and a trillion dollars of American treasury bond singing it sitting in his coffers, was doing communism, he would have branded you a capitalist, wrote and sent you to your re education camp at the end of the day. Whatever else. The original tankies, the British supporters of the USSR, were communists. Their modern day equivalents don't even have that
to height behind. They have been reduced to capitalists with a hammer and sickle fetish. So who are these people really? What they've become is suicide net socialists because the suicide nets are the actual content of their politics. This is the actual content of backing states like the People's Republic of China. It is full throated support for the suicide nets to fly under the roofs of the Fox confactories
at Shenzhen. The reality of their suicide net socialism is that the Chinese working class would rather kill themselves than live under it. And it was these suicide net socialists who sins spawned their bastard children, patriotic socialism and eventually Maga communism. So how do we understand what these people are? I am going to give the final word to Karl Marx, the man whose ideology in theory spawned theirs. I'm going to read from one of Marx's most famous works, the
eighteenth through Mayor. I'm pretty sure I've quoted it on
the show before. The tradition of all dead generations weighs like a nightmare on the minds of the living, And just as they seem to be occupy with revolutionizing themselves and things, creating something that did not exist before, precisely in such epochs of revolutionary crisis, they anxiously conjure up the spirits of the past to their service, borrowing from them names, battle slogans, and costumes in order to present this new scene in world history and time honored disguise
and borrowed language. Thus Luther Martin Luther put on the mask of the Apostle Paul. The French Revolution of seventeen eighty nine to nineteen fourteen draped itself alternatingly in the guise of the Roman Republic and the Roman Empire, and the Revolution of nineteen forty eight knew nothing better to do than to parody. Now seventeen eighty nine, Now the revolutionary tradition of seventeen ninety three seventeen ninety five. This is precisely the trap that Marxist Leninis have walked into.
Faced with mass social upheaval. They knew nothing better than the down the mask of Stalin and Mao, and it was a terrible mistake. Here is mark again. The social revolution of the nineteenth century cannot take us poetry from the past, but only from the future. It cannot begin with itself before it has stripped away all superstition about the past. The former revolutionaries required recollections of past world
history in order to smother their own content. The revolution of the nineteenth century must let the dead bury their dead in order to arrive at its own content. There the phrase went beyond the content. Here the content goes beyond the phrase. But we never buried our dead. The memories of dead generations still weigh like a nightmare in the minds of the living. And in the next episode we will walk face first into that nightmare and behold the abyss within.
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