The Next American Genocide

the great evils of our modern era. The American militia movement was first incited by Ruby Ridge and the burning of the Branch Davidian compounded Waco. But rather than laying blame on specific individuals and the bad choices they made, many Americans blamed the federal government as a monolithic entity. Tim McVeigh didn't bomb the A. T. F S Headquarters or the Pentagon, or try to assassinate a bunch of congressmen.

He bombed a federal building. Even if you aren't actively cleaning a gun and your bunker, laughing to yourself at how I'm surely a stooge of the New World Order. Your view of bureaucracy as unlikely to be a charitable one. I'm not going to defend to say the FBI or even the d m V here. I've got issues with both organizations myself, and as somebody with libertarian anarchistic tendencies, I've always been hesitant to give any credit to bureaucracy. But then I read a book called Black Earth by

Timothy D. Snyder. He's a professor of history at Yale University and his specialty is the Holocaust. Professor Snyder is hands down one of the greatest minds in his field. His work is impeccably researched, in mind bogglingly thorough, and in Black Earth, he argues that bureaucracy did more than just about anything else to save lives during the Holocaust.

During his research, Professor Snyder found that the Jewish communities that saw the most complete eradication in Europe were the ones and locations that suffered from what he calls double state destruction. I e. Poland was conquered by the Nazis and the Soviets. They basically split it down the middle, so the Polish state was destroyed. Then Germany invaded and wiped out the Soviet government in Poland, so the state

was destroyed twice. According to Professor Snyder quote, Germans found the conditions where one could do as one pleased, where they could kill Jews in large numbers for the first time in nineteen forty one, as they invaded the Soviet Union. It was in the zone of double occupation where Soviet rule preceded German, where the Soviet destruction of interwar states was followed by German annihilation of Soviet institutions, that a

final solution took shape. Almost all of the two million or so Jews who came under German rule in nineteen thirty nine would die. The same was true of the two million Jews who came under Soviet rule in nineteen thirty nine and nineteen forty. Indeed, the Jews who initially fell under Soviet rule were the first to be murdered on Moss by the Germans. France, on the other hand,

didn't really have its state destroyed. The Germans took over, but a lot of the underlying bureaucracy was left in place because it would have been just way too much trouble to rebuild from the ground up, and this left the Jews and other targeted minority groups in France with more options. According to Snyder quote, sidisanship in modern states means access to bureaucracy. Bureaucracy has the reputation of killing Jews. It would be closer to the truth to say that

it was the removal of bureaucracy that killed Jews. So long as state sovereignty persisted, so did limits and possibilities afforded by bureaucracy. In most offices, time is slowed and matters are considered, perhaps with the help of practitions or bribes.

When people in sovereign states beyond Germany wish to be noble, bureaucracy provided them with the opportunity to frame their arguments on behalf of individual Jews in the pragmatic or patriotic terms that employees of the state could understand and endorse. The bureaucracies beyond Germany also exhibited the typical tendencies of passing the buck, awaiting clear orders from higher authorities, and

insisting on clarity of expression and proper paperwork. Many of the things that make bureaucracies annoying and daily life could and did mean survival for Jews. When government's collapse, they leave vacuums, and those vacuums are often filled by not just another government, by the collected hate and rage of the most bigoted citizens in those areas. Is The rise of Isis in Iraq is a fantastic example of that.

The governments in Syria and Iraq had degraded enough that a large insurgent force was able to gain purchase, and once they were dominant in a region, they just started murdering all the groups of people they've been whining about for years. Imagine you live somewhere in the Bible Belt, a place like Georgia or Oklahoma, or even further south in Texas. For some of you, this won't require much imagination.

Once the fighting starts, once cities are convulsed with protests and roads start being bombed and cops start being shot, normal order will, as we've discussed, break down. If you grew up in that part of the world, the South, it shouldn't be hard to imagine that local megachurches would slide into help provide order in stability. In other less religious areas, forms of libertarian municipalism may take place, as we discussed a couple episodes back where there backed by churches,

local councils, or communes. Most of these autonomous zones will be broadly a political focused on the immediate tasks of defense and ensuring survival in a decent standard of life. Ideology will matter less than getting shipped done on a day to day basis. But some parts of this nation will be dominated by ideology. And if we're looking at extremest ideologies that are already most dominant in the United States,

we inevitably wind up at Christian fundamentalism. In two thousand seventeen, when judge Roy Moore won the Alabama Republican primary, he credited God for his win. Now that on its own is not so strange. In fact, it's pretty normal. But the more you look into Roy Moore, the more his version of God looks uncomfortably similar to the God worshiped by Isis. I'd like to quote from a scene in an article about comments More made while speaking at the

Open Door Baptist Church about the nine eleven attacks. He quoted Isaiah thirty twelve thirteen, which some fundamentalist claim predicted the attacks because you have despised his word in trust, in perverseness and oppression, and say thereon Therefore, this iniquity will be to you as a breach ready to fall, swell out in a high wall, whose breaking cometh suddenly at an instance. After citing this, More said, sounds a little bit like the Pentagon, whose breaking came suddenly at

an instance, doesn't it? If you think that's coincident. If you go to verse twenty five, there should be up every high mountain, and upon every hill, rivers and streams of water in the day of the Great Slaughter, when the towers will fall. You know, we've suffered a lot in this country, maybe, just maybe because we've distanced ourselves from the one that has it within his hands to heal this land. A few minutes later into his speech, More made it clear how he thought the United States

had distanced itself from God. We legitimize sodomy and legitimize abortion. More obviously lost that congressional race to the Democrat, but only barely, and only because it turned out he was a serial sexual harasser of young girls, and even then he beat the mainstream Republican endorsed by President Trump for his primary slot. The scariest thing, however, is that by the standards of many prominent Southern Christian nationalists. Roy Moore

is a moderate. Here's North Carolina Pastor Charles Warley, speaking in two thousand twelve. Build up great, big, large, fierce, hundred fifth year, a hundred mile long cut all the Langmans in there, fly over and drop some food. Do the same thing where the Choyers and the homosexuals and have that fisce electrified. They can't get out freedom and and you know how in a few years they'll die out. Now, this speech, of course caused an uproar and drew widespread condemnation.

But you know what else happened. More than a thousand people rallied to support Pastor Warley. He received a standing ovation. Here's Preacher Matt Powell, a young want to be Christian YouTube personality, speaking in two thousand eighteen. I'm very radical. I mean a lot of people ask me, you know, a lot of people tell me all the time, Oh, you're so radical. I'm very I'm very radical Christian, very conservative.

And you know, I believe that one of the reasons that our country is actually going downhill is because the conservative Christians are actually being kicked out of the White House, you know, and the morals that our country are founded on and as far as homosexuality goes, you know, I believe the Bible puts the death penalty on it. I believe it's I believe it's disgusting. In two thousand seventeen,

Houston was hit by some apocalyptic floods. Minister Kevin Swanson, a piece of ship, blame these floods on gay people, saying Houston's very, very aggressively pro homosexual mayor had brought God's wrath upon the city. He said this on his radio show. Jesus sends the message home. Unless Americans repent, unless Houston repents, unless New Orleans repents, they will all likewise perish. That is the message that the Lord Jesus

Christ is sending home right now to America. No, all this rhetoric occurred in relatively peaceful, not a war zone America. Just think how much more violent the rhetoric and the actions of these kinds of people would be in the event of a second American Civil War. Gay and trans folks are already scapegoat a anytime something terrible happens anywhere in this country. If the nation itself was thrown into violent turmoil, is it such a stretch to imagine fundamentalists

deciding God wants them to punish such sinners. A few episodes ago, on the episode about how to Save America, I played you some excerpts from one of Alex Jones's shows where he talked about his belief that the drag Queen Story Hour was really just a quoi scheme to make it easier for queer people to abduct and abused children. Well later in that episode he went further, let a child grow a little, have some love, have some parents, and be a good little person, and then they can

get him in a dark pit. Oh and then it's so good the energy these demons suck off your child. It's so much better than just giving him cancer, because you know, the parents are there when the child's dying from the cancer from the vaccine, and so they still have love, and it's just not as special. But to have him in those dungeons all alone, and then all the guys in clown off, it's pulled back when Dracula comes in and they're licking their lips and they're scared

of Dracula. A lot of them gotta be used by Dracula, and but they're still hoping for a little bit of that blood, and then Dracula goes in there and rips that child to pieces and drinks that blood and takes their guts and just racks it and then leaves. And then the vampire minions just run and just lick the blood off the altar, lick the blood off the altar.

And then Dracula's women come in, all the porn stars, all the sexy women I want to live forever, and they come in and they just eat little pieces of their feet and arms. Rabble. That's probably enough of that now, just so I'm being completely open, Alex wasn't just implicating gay people in the child blood sacrificed thing. He thinks the whole Democratic Party is basically complicit in this scheme to sacrifice children, but he definitely singles LGBT people out

as foot soldiers in that effort. Sometime around the fifth century, a d a rumor began to spread around the more bigoted chunks of Christendom. It claimed that Jewish rabbis would semi regularly kidnap and sacrifice Christian children in order to consume their blood. Now, this is just literally the wrongest to think and be a huge amount of Jewish religious law is actually based around the fact that human sacrifice is explicitly banned. This is one of the things that

separated ancient Jews from Pagans. But over the centuries, this lie was passed down and spread from nation to nation. It became known as the blood Libel. By the time the nineteen twenties rolled around, it grew into a powerful part of the developing Nazi ethos. As early as nineteen twenty six, not the newspaper Der Sturmer wrote lurid stories of the blood Libel as a way to convince Germans that Jewish people were a direct danger to their children.

When you believe a group of people is abducting and sacrificing literal babies, that makes it a lot easier to justify murdering them, doesn't it. Here's Alex Jones one more time. You know, vengeance is God's. Vengeance is God's but God has instruments of vengeance. That's always a twist to the riddle. And Southern globalists expect to try to terrorize us. We're not on these poor kids. You got strung out one

of your dodgeons. We're going to terrorize you now, Jones is a nut, clearly, but that's no reason to not take his calls for violence seriously. There's horrifying precedent for conspiratorial nuts on the radio inciting literal genocide. It happened in Rwanda on April six who to President Habiarimana was assassinated. This triggered a spasm of unspeakable violence, which led to the violent murder of more than eight hundred thousand members of the Tutsi ethnic group. Much of this killing did

not occur at the direction of the government. A huge amount of it was spontaneous, and it was all urged on by a handful of who to radio personalities who directly encourage the violence. I found a Duke University paper

that analyzed many of the pertinent radio broadcasts. The author, Megan Lyon, noted what I found especially interesting about the content of these broadcasts was the way in which its efforts to direct the extermination of the Tutsi population was paralleled by its efforts to claim authority over the telling of history. The radio broadcasts reveal a struggle over who gets to tell history, and therefore a struggle over a

monopoly on truth. We don't fight now Alex Jones and his followers certainly view themselves is engaged in a struggle with the mainstream media you, which they see is holding a monopoly on truth. That's why he called his platform info Wars. Everyone on this podcast has already heard Jones and a number of other figures with sizeable audiences either call for violence directly. We'll go right up to the

edge of calling for violence. The breakdown of order caused by a second American Civil War will not make any of these people more moderate. That said, I don't think you'd see mass murder campaigns against gay people on a national scale. Violence would occur in communities where the state retreated an extreme fundamentalist militious to cold in suburbs and cities, they would round up and execute the people they believed were responsible for bringing God's wrath upon the United States.

It's possible that the federal government, if controlled by a right wing regime, would choose to work with some of these militias, particularly as the military's manpower shortages became increasingly acute.

We saw a version of this happen in Iraq during the fighting from Mosle, when Sheia militias were allowed to fight alongside Iraqi regular army soldiers against the sunny warriors of Isis, and of course, anti LGBT bigotry is far from the only kind of big tree that exists in the United States and that has the potential to be a trigger for elimination. As to violence, in the last six months, we've seen two different white supremacist terrorists attacks synagogues.

There may well be another attack by the time this episode drops. Anti Semitic violence is as old as Western civilization. Much of this podcast is speculative, but one thing we can be absolutely objectively certain of is that a sizable number of violent people would blame the collapse of the United States on the Jews. There would be murders and pograms. However, from where I'm sitting, the religious minority who would be most threatened by the collapse of order in the US

are American Muslims. During the two thousand eight campaign, John McCain quoted the support of a pastor named Rob Parsley. McCain called Parsley, quote one of the truly great leaders in America, a moral compass, a spiritual guide. Now, according to ABC News, Quote campaign adds positioned Parsley right behind McCain for photographers, apparently unconcerned about Parsley's well established denunciations of the Islamic faith in a book Silent No More,

and on DVDs of sermons about Islam. Islam is an anti christ religion that attends through violence to conquer the world, Parsley says on the DVDs reviewed by ABC News. America was founded with the intention of seeing this false religion destroyed, Parsley says, and I believe September eleventh, two thousand one was a generational call to arms that we can no longer ignore. Bridget Gabriel is a Lebanese American Christian. She founded the organization ACT for America in two thousand eight.

Today it is the largest anti Muslim organization in the country, according to Naples News. The ACT for America website at one point read tens of thousands of Islamic militants now reside in America, operating in sleeper cells, attending our colleges and universities, even infiltrating our government. They are here today,

many have been here for years, waiting, preparing now. This kind of rhetoric is staggeringly similar, and in some cases identical to the claims Nazi propagandists made about Jewish people in the years leading up to the Holocaust. One central Nazi claim was that Jewish Germans could not truly be loyal to Germany, they would always be loyal first and foremost to Judy. As During one lecture, Bridget Gabriel claimed, a Muslim quote cannot be a loyal citizen to the

United States of America. It's not theoretical to say that this sort of language can radicalize people into acts of extermination. Six million murdered Jews are proof of where words like these can lead given the right circumstances. In two thousand twelve, the n r A hosted retired Lieutenant General William Boykin at a speech in Saint Louis. General Boykin is on the record for claiming that there should be no mosques

in America. The n r A made him the keynote speaker of a prayer breakfast where he stated Islam as evil and called it a totalitarian way of life which should not be protected under the First Amendment. Now Hispanic Americans might be targeted as well. There are already thousands of migrants and concentration camps along our southern border. These camps are not currently death camps, but people have already died in them at a time when the country is

still stable and wealthy. It is not beyond the pale to imagine the government countencing more violence, or at least worse conditions for those people as the national situation deteriorates. One thing that makes me worry, particularly for the fate of Hispanic Americans, is the increase in a very specific set of words used by American politicians to describe undocumented immigrants.

Researchers at the University of Nevada have found that comparisons to vermin and viruses have grown markedly more common in the language of right wing politicians. They've also shown that the use of this language has a distinct dangerous impact quote. When these metaphors are present in a news article that immigrants, the more participants identify as American, the more disgusted they

experienced reading the article. As these researchers note, quote media can be a powerful shaper of public attitudes towards specific social groups. Hitler capitalized on this in Nazi Germany, advocating for anti Jewish propaganda in mind comp and creating movies, flyers, and other media communications portraying the Jewish people as subhuman, as rats or parasites, that is, vermin infiltrating Aryan society.

Tutsis were routinely called cockroaches leading up to their genocide by the Jutuos in Rwanda in nine And then, of course, there's the possibility of eliminationist violence against America's black population. The history of anti black sentiment in America is literally

as old as the United States. The history of eliminationist anti black rhetoric in this country is thankfully at least a little bit shorter, but killers like Dylan Rufe for proof that the desire to murder huge numbers of black people has grown more common among the fascist rite in recent years. I don't see open elimination as violence against Black or Hispanic populations by the government as particularly likely, but the growing power of white supremacist militias could pose

an existential threat to large communities of both groups. Ten years ago, a large k k k rally might have attracted twenty people. Neo Nazi demonstrations tended to be similarly small, but today white supremacists and Nazis of all stripes have seen huge surges in both their activity and membership over

the last ten years. According to the Anti Defamation League, seventy three percent of all domestic extremist related killings have been perpetrated by right wing extremists, compared to twenty three point four percent perpetrated by terrorists motivated by Salafi jihadism and three point two percent by left wing extremism. The Center for Strategic and International Studies says that the number of far right terrorist attacks has more than quadrupled from

two thousand sixteen to two thousand seventeen. We have seen that scale of surge in again a period of relative prosperity and stability. History shows us these French ideologies will become more prevalent and attract more members during times of unrest and violence. This is certainly what white supremacists are

banking on. In two eighteen, their propaganda efforts increased by a hundred and eighty two percent, leaping from four hundred and twenty one reported incidents of white supremacists propaganda to one thousand, one hundred eighty seven over the course of a year. Like it or not, the Nazis and their ideological kin are growing every year. In the unrest of a second American Civil war, we can expect their numbers

and their body count to leap exponentially. We offer a white supremacists full target Muslims and Jewish people, as well as black and Hispanic Americans. We know this because they've been planning to do so longer than most of you listening to this have been alive. In the nineteen eighties, a neo Nazi terrorist group called The Order carried out a series of daring robberies, netting millions of dollars, which was used to fund hate groups and their militias around

the country. These groups were connected via an early computer network and organized mostly by a fellow named Lewis Beam. Beam presided over a loose alliance of white supremacists and Nazi groups with a shocking amount of access to military grade weaponry, including law rockets, grenade launchers, and fully automatic weapons, much of it smuggled with them by their compatriots in the military before they were only partly exposed and taken down.

Beam and his comrades were anticipating the collapse of the U. S Government and planning what they would do after its fall. Here's what Beams said to a group of recruits in nineteen eighty. We'll set up our own state here and announced that all non whites have twenty four hours to leave. Lots of them won't believe it or won't believe us when we say we'll get rid of them, so we'll have to exterminate a lot of them the first time around.

The biggest threat for genocide I see in the United States comes after federal power starts to fall and fall back from certain areas. Emboldened racists will see that as their opportunity to seize a white homeland, and they will not hesitate to exterminate anyone they can. Absent a strong military to defend members of these minority groups from violence, Well established criminal gangs might well represent the best bulwark

against the violence of these neo Nazi militias. We talked about this a little earlier in the series, the idea that gang members might act to raise the temperature due to their experience with violence. While gangs are generally vilified, often rightly so, a lot of histrionic reporting on their crimes ignores the fact that drug dealing and drive by shootings aren't the only things these organizations do. Gangs tend

to be tied rather tightly to communities. Their members have deep connections in those communities, and you can bet they would rise to defend them from outside violence. Now, when most Americans hear the word gang, they probably think about m S. Thirteen, the Crips, or the Bloods. But for the purpose of this discussion, I think a much more

relevant gang is the almighty Black Peace Stone Nation. The black Stone Nation or black Stone Rangers that they're often called, started out as a normal street gang in Chicago in the nineteen fifties. They have since spread to several other cities and are reputed to have as many as a hundred thousand members nationwide. That makes them a vastly larger force than any militia. The black Stone Nation is an incredibly complicated group, and I will not be able to

do their history justice in this podcast. It's important you know that while they are a gang, they get up to a hell of a lot more than just you know, crimes. We've talked quite a bit in this podcast about the Great Uprising that occurred after Martin Luther King Junior's assassination in April of nineteen sixty eight. But we haven't yet discussed is how much worse it might have been if not for the black Stone Rangers. In two Fiery Days,

Chicago's West Side was convulsed by vicious rioting. The same sort of violence was not, however, seen on the South Side of Chicago, even though, according to the song Bad Bad Le Roy Brown, it is the baddest part of town. The Chicago Tribune explains why things there stayed peaceful quote out of the public eye. Police relied on South Side

gangs to keep the peace. According to retired police lieutenant Bob Angne, the Blackstone Rangers held up their end of the bargain, stopping a mob of people from rocking buses of students at Mount Carmel High School and gone remembers. The gang also told businesses to whitewash their windows with messages like the King is Dead or Long Live the King for protection. The overwhelming majority of Southside was spared because of those Stones. Angn said, I don't know if

history will ever give them credit. This podcast will give them credit, Bob, because the Blackstone Rangers and other gangs like them represent a sizable force in American society That act might act in defense of at least some vulnerable minority communities if racist militias decide to try their hands at some genocide. American gangs have also spent much of the less several decades in filtrading the U. S. Military

for much the same reason neo Nazis do. They want the kind of combat and weapons training that only the military can prove wide. There's actually good reason to believe these guys would kind of wipe the floor with any white nationalist militias they came across. For one thing, Most of the large neo Nazi and fascist groups we've seen rise up in the last few years have been, for lack of a better word, caddie. They are filled with

in fighting and drama fit for the lamest of soap operas. Explicitly, criminal gangs tend to deal with much greater threat from law enforcement, and by necessity, there are a lot better and a lot more experienced at functioning on a large scale and a disciplined and effective manner. I'm also going to guess that more gang members have firsthand experience with armed violence than white supremacist militia members. In some ways, the Civil War would just be an escalation of the

violence that's gone on for years. Crips and Bloods and Blackstone Rangers squaring off against new forged armies of white nationalist and neo Nazi militiamen, many of them led by Aryan Nations members, who would by default be some of the most experienced fighters that side had available. It would be bloody, nightmarish, But in some ways, the people who live in areas with strong gang presences would be hockey without the state's protection, and in a nation filled with

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