Alright, Robert, do you want to open it us up with something I don't know. Nope, you're opening the opening is is that is what you just did? Okay, well it's already opened. Welcome to take it happen here the podcast about how things things do be crumbling sometimes, including our ability to introduce the podcast that it's actually a very meta art piece about the Yeah, we started off very polished and slowly commentary on I don't know something.
It's called figure out what. It's a commentary on it. It's called metamodernism. It's the post it's post postmodern. Anyway, Um, what are we talking about? Disinformation and various bullshit today? So among the many disinformation vectors online, Joe Rogan's podcast is obviously one off, like the largest single single vectors. Yeah. I mean I've said this before, but I'll say it again.
I don't think there's a cable news station as influential as Joe Rogan, you know, and you could you could make commentary on like, oh maybe they have a larger viewership in terms of like their actual ability to influence large numbers of people. Um, there's certainly no single cable news host that comes close to Joe Um, and I would argue, probably no network that does. He's extremely influential by virtue of the fact that he's Um a meathead of people seem to find friendly and engaging, and he
is very charismatic. He's good at what he does, he's good at talking. Yeah. So, multiple times during the past three weeks, Rogan has brought on two separate quote unquote doctors who have started to pedal something called mass formation psychosis, which is kind of a new vector in the anti vax kind of argument and like headspace, so like as for like the it could happen near portion of the episode, This one's pretty simple. Could mass formations like this happen here?
No way, not this time. We created it, not this time, No, not this time. It's totally made up, pure fiction. It's fiction. It's fiction. We made it up. We made this one up. It's a made up tail. It's a total fabrication. Nope, not really ever happened anywhere. I might also argue, no, nope, fiction, We've solved the podcast, total fabric This is not a thing, total fabrication, made up tail. So yeah, well, but when whenever these like cook doctors bring up mass formation psychoses.
You can actually kind of watch them get close to understanding something real, but then they veer off into reactionary nonsense. Like most powerful nonsense, there is an element of truth
that it is uh spinning off of, you know. So let let's start off with some of the more kind of deranged examples and well then eventually providing at least some background onto the whole mastormation psychoa, this this idea, and then we'll kind of discuss some of the more slightly interesting aspects of this argument that Eurogan seems fond of pushing right now. So, the first guy I want to talk about is Dr Peter McCole, which is not the not the guy that was trending on Twitter last
week or whatever this was. This is someone else that Rogan brought on a few weeks previously, who actually started talking about this first. Um So background on McCole. By most accounts, he was like a top cardiologist for many years, you know. He he shares a similar story to other
doctors who have become kind of COVID conspiracy celebrities. Former friends and co workers say he was a pretty reasonable guy and a good doctor, and then COVID he realized he could be worth millions of dollars, Yeah, covid head that he started to kind of go off the rails, and he he initially began to helpin conspiracy theories in particular around hydroxy chloro quinn um. And McColl was also in the news earlier this year due to I guess uh, due to a legal dispute with his former employer, Baylor
University Health. So, according to a lawsuit, for nearly six months after McCall's employment had ended, he continued to use his professional titles such as the Vice Chief of Internal Medicine at Baylor University, and this represented himself as a Baylor employee dozens if not hundreds of times in media interviews in which he spread disinformation about the pandemic. So the type of misinformation that he talks about, you know, pretty basic stuff of vaccines are neither safe nor effective. Um.
He was a very early hydroxical organ proponent. Um. He claims that there's no asymptomatic COVID transmission at all, even if you're not vaccinated. Um. And he claims that you cannot get COVID twice once you have at once the post infection natural immunity is a protective against all future COVID disease, which of course work. Yeah. No, everything I just said is not true. All of it can individually
be disproved by the existence of Jayere Bosonaro. Single say that, Chris, I'm looking over at my digital picture frame that is just loaded with like a dozen photos of JayR bolson Yaro in the hospital dying. Um. Yeah, I recommend everyone do that. It improves every morning as soon as I walk up to my recording studio, I see JayR bolson Yaro getting ship sucked out of his nose from a tube, and I just feel ready to take on the day.
It beats coffee. Wow, that's strong words. Um. The other big thing and since how since I want to get into the mess, uh psychosis bullshit is that he McCall also asserts that fifty Americans have died from the vaccine shots. This is not true. Um. Looking at like deaths possibly associated with it, it is like maybe a thousand or two thousand, which sucks. Um. And but like that's that's the highest amount because again it's not even a lot
of these things are not necessarily direct directly causal. Um. So It's hard to figure out what is what. But if there is a number, it's around the two wish thousand range. Uh not um and McCall thinks that, or at least promotes that the idea that like the vaccine, is a conspiracy theory to suppress hydroxical wor quin and
therapeutic treatment for COVID. And this conspiracy is organized at every level, uh three different regions, corporations, big Pharma, Hollywood, and and this is this is the mass formation psychosis is that we've believed that both COVID is like a big problem and that the vaccine is the solution. So I'm gonna I'm gonna play a clip hopefully you guys can hear this of of McColl talking about mass formation psychosis. Dope, we've seen mass psychosis in history before the horrific group
suicides that have happened with religious culture. We knew a Nazi Germany where people in a sense offer their children up to eugenics programs and a progressive mass psychosis, and they themselves walk into gas chambers and my gas, they didn't kick fight, go kicking, screaming. This type of that's a mass psychosis. So what Desmond says is it must be four conditions met for a mass psychosis. The Firth is the population must be isolated. People must be isolated
for a plot period. Number two, we must have things taken away from us that we previously enjoy. Number three, there must be constant, free floating anxiety. Anxiety of more virus is more disability, more depth, more anxiety. And then the last one is that kap Or Number four is there must be a single solution offered by an entity and authority, the vaccine. The only solution to the pandemic
is the vaccine. We're in a mass hychosis. And what Desmond says is with the vaccine, there is no limit to the absurdity that we will see, no limit to the absurdy. So this idea of here, take a vaccine, Take any vaccine. That's absurd. Vaccines are different. There must be a winner, there must be a loser, there must be somebody why why would it be any vaccine. It's the same with the mask where masks. It doesn't matter
what kind of mask, just put it over your face. Absurdity, the absurdity of well, I've already had COVID, the CDC says, you can't get COVID again. Okay, so listeners at home should know so that you understand what this video is that the entire time he's talking, there's what appears to be the eviscerated corpse of a black woman lying underneath it. Like it's terrifying. It's like very like something. I think it's like one of the dolls that medical students learned
how to do autopsies on. It's not a real person, but it does look like the corpse of an eviscerated woman as he's just like chatting face really does look like it took me. I thought it was like I couldn't forget what was going on for like yeah, I mean, yeah, they're the cadaver dolls that they have for trading. Are quite good. Um, I kind of want to get one for the next time I'm in Texas and want to use an HIV lane. But that's the story for another day.
So yeah, that's that's pretty dumb, especially the notion that
people were hypnotized into peacefully walking into gas. I just need to stay like that's the not not only is that like that is objectively untrue to the extent that I could provide anyone interested with thousands of pages of reading from people who survived concentration camps about how they worked and why people walked into them, and a lot of it just boils down to the fact that it was they were making a very rational choice, which was
I have no options here. I cannot get out of this, but I can at least make sure that my children are not panicking in the last seconds before we're killed. And a lot of the people the the because a lot of the actual like grunt work of key of loading humans into the gas chambers was done by other
inmates who were also not going through psychosis. They were given a chance to survive longer by helping to operate the camps UM and those people you can read some of them did survive UM, and some of them wrote about their experiences UM, which is some of the most harrowing shit like imaginable for a human being to possibly
go through. It is all tremendously well documented, and the most offensive thing I can imagine is saying that these people were somehow is saying Number one, it's incredibly offensive to say that they were going through some sort of psychosis, and that's why they walked into the chambers and not this was the best option available to them, given what was going on and what like the situation they had been forced into. They did not have other options. Um.
It was that or get machine gunned to death. Um. And maybe you think you would choose a different option. Um. But if you're critiquing them or trying to claim that like the only reason they would do that what they did was that they had lost their minds. Um, I will I will hit you in the face with a brick,
fuck you like that. That that's my answer to that. Actually, if you are someone who is interested academically and why people did some of the things that they did at at the death camps, um, and like why how that actually functioned psychologically. It's like a short book. It's this way for the gas ladies and gentlemen. And it is a quasi fictionalized book by a guy named Taddius Borowski who was a survivor of the death camp. So it's
based on his experiences at Auschwitz and Dachau. UM. And he he describes the way in which the world of the camps worked and the psychology of the camps worked. Um. And he's not and He's not a piece of ship grifter asshole. He's a guy who lived through all of this. So if you actually care about any of this, just read that everything this guy says is wrong, and if I had a chance to, I would hit him in
the face with a brick. Please continue, Garrison. Yeah, it really sucks because it's not just a combination of medical misinformation but also just the most ship sociology um. And it creates this a really a really disgusting package of of of really bad sociology medical misinformation um. And like, yeah, he's doing this too, like because he can make a profit off of it. So he's saying these things. So I know, Um, he mentioned a name, Desmond. Desmond's the
guy who kind of coined this term. We'll we'll talk about more about him at the end, but for now, let's go on an ad break and we'll be back to talk about Dr Robert Malone, the other other guy who's been pushing this nonsense. So I probably will want to hit with a brick even more so, honestly, And we're back talking now about mass information psychosis and the dumb people who are or smart people who are using
they're they're evil that tough. So yeah, so after after McCall went on Rogan's show, it got that that show got pretty popular. Um One, one big right wing kind of trumpett media personality named Melissa Tate was permanently banned from Twitter after posting about the podcast and making the following post to her half a million followers, Global bombshell.
Dr Peter McCall on The Joe Rogan Show says Maderna made the code vaccine long before COVID actually hit, and that the pandemic was a premeditated and concerted scheme by government and medical entities to then force vaccinations as the solution. So that's the type of narrative that they're trying to foster because the pandemics has been so good for Biden's
approval ratings, it's really working out great for everybody. Uh us U S Senator Ron Johnson also promoted the interview, saying Rogan asks excellent questions and McColl provides the answers. So yeah. Um So, apparently the mass formation psychosis Doctor Guy was enough of a hit that Rogan's team decided to very soon after bring on another line, conspiracy doctor Dr Robert Malone. So During the last week, Rogan invited
Malone onto his show. Malone's of of a virologist and a immunization doctor who claims credit for inventing the m r n A vaccine in a pair of papers from the late eighties spoilers, He did not there was on the vaccine before him, and work continued after him. Yeah yeah, um yeah, And in eighty nine he published a paper um kind of positing maybe mr NA can be binded
with with other kind of uh proteins. He did not really do any work on it besides just saying I wonder if this could maybe happen um, And then he decided into this dude a bit. Okay, we're people asking similar questions and publishing papers at the same time of the question and yeah yeah. So Malone actually thought this was too hard and abandoned this project very soon and then went to work for like the military to develop
other random like uh. He thought the RNA vaccines were too hard, so he went on to develop more stuff around DNA vaccines and has been working with like the military and various like a big farmer companies fund vaccines for a while. More accurately, Dr Carrico and Drew Wiseman are two doctors that are widely agreed and acknowledged to have put the most development work and actual like like actually doing the science to make m m RNA vaccines a thing. Um. And the of course development of them
was due to you know, work of hundreds of researchers. Um. So it's it's not you know, one person does not invent something like this. It's it's a group of a lot of people. But but it makes it for an easy title for your viral video. Yeah, and in fact, actually um uh, logically, the that's a journalist website reached out to Malone and for an article, and Malone replied Black stating that he did not actually literally invent the
uh the vaccine, but instead developed a vaccine technology platform. Um. Then he presented logically copies with nine patents, um, none of which are the patents for functioning mrn A vaccines of course. Um. But but he he claims to have patented mr in A technology. I mean he did, it's technology that doesn't work and never has and never has worked, and the patents are expired. Um. Anyway, I need to pat some ship. That just sounds like a real easy
way to make a good grift. Yeah. So you know, as we've seen with my with but because because Malone has crafted this you know, narrative that I'm the inventor of this thing. You know. Look, just like we've seen with my like COVID griff named Doctor's episode behind the Bastards, just a little shred of like medical authority can be more often transformed with propaganda into something much greater than what it is, you know, whether that be claiming to be the inventor of the m RNA or you know,
claiming to be the former Heads scientist adviser. Neither of those have to actually be true to work, because propaganda makes it true via like repetition. So yeah, it's the kind of thing where like dunking on these guys like it's important here to correct the record, it doesn't do anything. No, the fact that they and nothing that they say is true does not matter when it comes to them having
an influence in the community they have. If you get on Rogan, it doesn't like like you've already done the thing that you need to do to be able to to profit from this. It doesn't matter that you're lying. A few months ago, Malone went on to Steve Bannon Show to talk about how the vaccines make COVID worse worse. Actually, and you know this is this is the quote from Steve Bannon. You're hearing it from the individual who invented the m R and a vaccine and has dedicated his
life to vaccines. He's the opposite of an anti vaxer, right. So it's it's it's that tipularity. So yeah, start starting around June one, Malone began to make the rounds, you know, Bannon, Tucker, Glenn beck Um and now Joe Rogan. So you know, starting in June, he had like less than five thousand Twitter followers. Uh and just before his suspension at the end of December for spreading misinformation, he had like over
half million. Um. So yeah, So right after his Twitter suspension for lying about COVID and causing you know, misinformation to run to to run rampant around a health issue. Um, that's when Rogan invited him on. It was right after he got suspended from Twitter. And there's been one particular clip from the interview that has really caught like the far right's attention. Um, you know the tweet that's it's
it's connected to is captioned on Joe Rogan. Dr Robert Malone suggests we are living through a mass formations like coast. He explains how and why this could happen and its effects. He draws analogy to the nineteen twenties and thirties Germany. They had a highly educated population and they went barking mad. Um did not. They made a series of logical The Nazis did not go mad. They were not crazy, They
were not out of their mind. They were doing they were a large part of what they were doing was saying things that they knew were nonsense and lies in order to get elected because it riled people up. And then a large chunk of their policy was figuring out, well, if this is the ship that we've been saying, how do we how do we translate that into policy? Again,
realms have been written on this by credible researchers. The people who ran the camps were not insane, although they were often deeply depressed in suicidal because it's not good to run a death camp. They were all making rational decisions. And the people who let it happen, we're letting it happen because it was dangerous and scary to interfere in any way. They were all making rational decisions. There was no insanity responsible for the Holocaust, which is worse like
in the Party everything. Yeah, yeah, yeah. What they're like, they're they're what they're doing is like they're they're they're they're trying to give people a way out right like that. You know, this is this is sort of like, oh, it's well, the Nazis went insane. All people who follow them when and saying it's like no, no, they don't. You don't get that way out like you they chose
to do this. Yeah. The the scariest and most meaningful lesson to take from the Holocaust is that you yourself could be a part of a Holocaust, even if you didn't support the killing, because it's extremely easy to not get involved and stop something like that once it reaches a certain level, and it's easy for the kind of political organizations that can make things like that possible to reach a point where they can carry that sort of
ship out because again, it's scary to fucking fight them. Uh. Let's want the clips like a minute long, and I think it's worth watching to see both in the context of when Rogan decides to interject and when he decides not to basically European intellectual inquiry into what the heck happened this guy already in the twenties and thirties, you know, very intelligent, highly educated population and they went barking mad
um And how did that happen? Um? The answer is mass formation psychosis when you have a society that has become decoupled from each other and has free floating anxiety in a sense that things don't make sense, we can't understand it, and then their attention gets focused by a leader or a series of events on one small point. Just like hypnosis, they literally become hypnotized and can be
led anywhere. And one of the aspects of that phenomena is the people that they identify as their leaders, the ones typically that come in and say, you have this pain, and I can solve it for you. I and I alone, okay, can fix this problem for you. Okay. Then they will lead. They will follow that person through how it doesn't matter whether they lie to them or whatever. The data are irrelevant. And furthermore, anybody who questioned that narrative is to be
immediately attacked. They are the other. This is central to mass formation psychosis. And this is what has happened. We had all those conditions. If you remember back before, everybody was complaining the world doesn't make sense, blah blah blah. Um. And we're all isolated from each other, We're all on our little tools. We're not connected socially anymore except through social media. UM. And then this thing happened and everybody focused on it. That is how mass formation psychosis happens.
And that is what's happened here. Horrible, completely wrong um in every single way. UM. They the Germans were not confused because nothing made sense. They were angry because of the terms of the Treaty of Versailles. That were also angry because of what they saw as and what like, because of a myth that had grown up about why they had lost the First World War, which was spread by people who were the equivalent in that time of Joe Rogan. They were scared of the left, of communism,
of disorder, of riots in the streets. Um. And one. When Hitler took power, most Germans did not like him. They did not blindly follow him. He gradually gained the vast the support of the vast majority of Germany through a number of different, very logical things. One thing that he did that got him a lot of support was he took businesses and homes and money from Jewish people and from members of other groups that the Nazis were targeting,
and he gave it to Arians. There was a direct financial interest for a lot of people who got in line behind the Nazis, and he established a series of programs like the Strength through Joy program that really did benefit in a way that they had not known before the German working class. Um. And a lot of this was again subsidized through the appropriations of things that had been owned by people that the Nazis were targeting. People
fell in line behind Hitler for logical reasons. He did not reach the highest point of his support from the German populace until the taking of Paris, which obviously that was something that a lot of Germans supported. They had spent four years failing to take the city in World War One. UM. Anyway, sorry, it's all nonsense, it's all lies. I think. The reason why this is latching on so much to people on the right, like people on the right who who don't consider themselves fascists, who who think
who would say Nazis are bad right there. They still are latching onto this because it provides a way for them to not understand how fascism actually works. Right. It provides an alternative explanation that makes them not have to actually think about what fascism is. Um. And that's why they're latching onto it. And it also is already it's already a part of the conspiracies they have around vaccines
and power structures. So because because it's the conspiratorial basis, instead of like thinking about power structures from like an anarchist or like like higher archy lens, it reinforces the world views they have and makes them not have to interrogate the ones that they don't want to. UM it sucks. Malone's substack goes into more of this and it's it's it's pretty bad. There's a this is a few quotes that I think really kind of tied this together, and
then he has some horrible statistics. Um. He says, as many of you know, I've spent time researching and speaking about mass psychosis theory. Most of what I've learned is
come from Dr Desmond. Dr Desmond is like the guy who pointed this term UM and uh Malone, writes Desmond realized that this form of mass hypnosis, the madness of crowds, can account for the strange phenomenon of about of the population in the Western world becoming entrenched with the noble lies and dominant narrative concerning the safety and effectiveness of the genetic vaccines, and both propagated and enforced by politicians,
science bureaucrats, pharmaceutical companies, and legacy media. Of course, the obvious examples of masformation is Germany in the thirties and forties. How could the German people, who are highly educated, very liberal in the classic sense, Western thinking people, how could they go crazy and do what they did to the Jews? How could this happen to a civilized people. A leader of a mass formation movement will use the platform to continue to pump the group of information to focus on.
In the case of COVID nineteen, I like to use the term fear porn. Leaders through mainstream media and government channel and government channels continuously feed the beast with more messaging that further hypnotize their adherents. Studies suggest that mass formation follows a general distribution people are brainwashed and hypnotized fully doctor in the group narrative in the middle are persuaded and may follow if know where the alternatives perceived,
And thirty percent will fight the narrative. Those who rebel and fight against the narrative become the enemy of the brainwashed and the primary target of aggression. So that's the way he thinks. That is how which is really it's really subject like in terms of how he's building a narrative in his head and specifically building a narrative for other people's heads to to view. Why do I feel distrustful of certain pieces of power but love other pieces
of power? Yeah, And it's again like this idea that like well, Germany was liberals there, Germany had an enormous right wing movement, Like it was a hugely conservative country in a lot of ways. It would also had a lot of leftist organizing and a lot of leftists in it, especially after World War One, But like the Fry Corps ship, there were these massive millions strong right wing armed street movements that existed for the entirety of the Weimar Republic.
Like it's again everything he says is wrong. Yeah, And again it's like the notion that like are fully burnwashed, are in the middle and persuadable fight the narrative. It's like these these people who are upset, these like these specifically conservatives, were obsessed about thinking like I would have fought the Nazis. And because they don't understand how fashions and works and powerdynamics, they don't understand how how they're actually getting pulled into the same thing. But they still
view themselves as the rebel right. They there's right, yeah, like they're still focused on being yeah's absolutely like they're still focused on being the rebel and like we're rebelling against the vaccine that that is just like rebelling against the Nazis. And you're like, what, um, so I just want to say about those numbers, if they're too completely made up? Yeah, yeah, when when people start throwing even numbers statistic exactly like that, it's because they're lying. Yeah,
it's because yeah, yeah, absolutely not. Yeah, that's that's complete nonsense. For one. Yeah, it's so so I get because now, the other thing that happened around this interview, because it didn't give a lot of traction among the right, is that whenever these things gain traction, they also developed conspiracy theories that people are trying to suppress it. Like look at the Google algorithm when you type in certain keywords
like I know that. The day this was trending, it was like if you google dr malone, the usually like the sixth result, the first one is this YouTube video at de Bunky and like I did this, and like no, the first result was the obviously viral video of him saying the thing, Like they just they can take one screenshot that maybe someone made or maybe because of one person's computer algorithm that's what gave them and use this as like evidence that this is the entire system of
the Internet suppressing the thing, Like no, the Internet wants things to go viral. Now, there's certain things where they like trying to shut down the spread of dangerous stuff, but this got very viral. This was not contained in any way. But because of this notion like they're trying to hide it, you know, it plays into their them thinking they're like they're them thinking that they are the
rebels or something. And there's also a very practical reason why the people who particularly know that they're lying do this, and it's because all of their success is based on a foundation of the way in which YouTube and Facebook
and Twitter algorithmically amplified them and their predecessors. And they know that creating controversy over the fact that are being suppressed, um leads to more content that Jin's that basically algorithmically spreads their stuff more because more people are talking about it, because other people's channels start debating it, because idiots on the left are like, well, we should at least have them on platform them because we're anti censorship too, so
let's debate them. And like all of this stupid ship feeds into spreading their stuff. It's a very intelligent strategy. Um, I hate it, but just in just in terms of how ridiculous it is. I know. A few days ago, a Congressman Troy Nells said that I submitted the transcript from the Joe Rogan Experience podcast episode with Dr Malone to the Congressional Record. Big tech wants to restrict your access,
your access to information, but they cannot censor. The Congressional Record not big tech is the entire reason why you know about these people. Yeah, entirely. So if it were not for big tech, Joe Rogan would be narrating videos of robots fighting. So Jack Sybiak got real into the because he loves anything that goes viral. For big tech, Jack Piso Bik would have died in a ditch of an oxy content overdose, so he got real into it.
He changed his like he changed his Twitter name to Jack mass Formation psychosis, psychosa Beck or some bullshit like that. Stupid and it was. It was tweeting about a NonStop for a week and like like a kid learning about a new topic because of synchronicity' he's gonna like projected onto everything he sees. Now he's like this this new all encompassing topic that makes you avoid what fashions them actually is and then point out at the things you
don't like. So of course he's gonna apply to everything he He made a tweet right before January six, um as the anniversary of the Capitol intermpted ku thing. Regime Media has launched a propaganda push against Ashley Babbitt today to psychologically prep their flock for the upcoming mass formation event planned for January six this week. This this is called priming and it's a text book mass formation theory tactic. Wait till you see what comes next, And it is
the sixth today has anything what happened? Not goddamn thing they got fucking lin Manuel Morenda does sing song that's gone from Miranda? Did you see that that wasn't He might have said something in the beginning that was due, but the performance has been played before on other things. Well, and I am you know what, if we're taught trying to reach across the aisle, I am willing to admit that the popularity of lin Manuel Miranda might be a
mass formation psychosis. Absolutely, the popularity of Hamilton's is a mast formation psychus. Absolutely, we're just being assholes. But like, like like seriously like it again, but it doesn't it does. The fuck is when it when it comes to again like the fact that he said there's gonna be this whatever psyche mass formation psychosis event on the anniversary of January six then it's going to be huge watch for it.
And nothing happens, doesn't matter, never matters, will never matter, um because again, like it's it's I think one of the issues that we have here is the degree to which brain brainwashing and hypnosis and stuff are talked about within kind of discussions of a cultic milieu when they're not really a factor not a factor in cults, not nearly as much as you think. Yeah, and not in
the way that you think. There's things that like you could call brainwashing, but the the and you could even maybe call hypnosis, although that's a lot murkier, is a very technical thing. Yeah, But but the what actually like
the stuff that's actually happens. Again, it's always much more logical and rational if you can just inhabit the mental space of the people who are in those communities because of what they're primed to believe first, and because of what is happening socially, because of the degree to which they isolate themselves from people who are outside of that bubble. Like, that's why you it's so hard to get them out. It's not that like magically their brains have been taken over.
It's that they have pretty methodically been put into a position where rejecting what is being told to them within this context is immensely more painful, um than just continuing to believe things that are not true. Um. And there are more consequences for it, you know. Um, you lose a support network, you lose a great deal of of of your own opinion of yourself and your self worth if you start to reject this stuff. Um. And once you can trap people in that, it's the same way
that scientology works. Once you can trap people in that. Um, it's the evidence of their eyes and the fact that like they're obviously being lied to and the things that they're being told about don't come to pass. It's this. It's the reason why you have a bunch of apocalyptic cults who say the days the world's going to end on this day and time that day and time comes, the world doesn't end, and the cult goes on. You know, Yeah,
it's pretty it's pretty ridiculou us. This this whole thing was started by this professor of clinical psychology at at a university in Belgium, Matthias Desmot. He seems to have a pretty bad understanding of history and actual like power structures and does not know the least bit about fascism. Um. And it's trying to craft this thing to fill in the gaps in his own knowledge and applies it to everything.
And I've read some of his stuff. It's it's nonsense. Um. Again that just like the doctors who talked about it, they're like, yeah, he's using this also is a way to explain how COVID is not real and how the vaccine is a is a ploy to do bad thing. It's it's all ridiculous, it's irresponsible, um, and they're using it as a tactic and hopefully it's just gonna blow over. But I'm sure it'll pop up everyone every once in a while again, just like it popped up, you know,
a few weeks ago. But that's that's really all. I all. I want to get into it. I I could say more, but I think we have said enough. I think that's said enough. Um all right, well fuck itt, Yeah, that's it. That's all I've got. UM Read This Way for the Gas Ladies and Gentlemen by Thaddius Borowski. Um. It will. It will have a major impact on the way you see the entire world if you if you actually read it. Um,
there's some incredible pieces in there. One of one of the things that the Taddius points out is that like people only ever have like one kind of language for for talking about like the things that they feel, where whether it's something they they kind of vaguely care about or something they care about enough to murder over. And so when people engage in acts of like horrific violence on a mass scale. They often do it looking and acting like they would if they were irritated at somebody
in traffic. Um. And it's the most un rattling thing about being the victim of a genocide that you don't see the kind of hate and the kind of rage and the kind of like what you would expect someone would need to be amped up to. It's more of like you see, more like kind of boredom and and irritation and all that stuff. Like it's not anyway read read read Daddy Sparowski. Um, he's I desperately wish Joe Rogan would just sit and narrate this book on his show,
because I do actually a service to the world. Anyway. Um, that's that's the episode. It could Happen here as a production of cool Zone Media. But more podcasts from cool Zone Media. Visit our website cool zone media dot com, or check us out on the I Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to podcasts. You can find sources for It Could Happen Here, updated monthly at cool zone media dot com slash sources. Thanks for listening.
