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Hello, and welcome back to Katapem. Here. This is Scharen and today we are continuing our conversation from yesterday where we talked about the US proposed peace deal for Hamas in Israel that looks suspiciously like a deal Hamas had already agreed to just a few weeks before that and
Israel did not agree to. We had ended part one talking about how the IOF literally killed their own hostages when they mistakenly thought they were threats, and I ended saying speaking of threats, and I'm going to continue because that's what professionals do. So since October seventh, Israel has described Hamas as an existential threat, saying that it needs to destroy the group and won't stop the violence in
Gaza until it does so. But I would argue that most people who are pro Israel or Western Zionists in general don't actually know anything about Hamas other than thinking they're this big, bad evil that has to be eradicated by the quote only democracy in the Middle East, which I hope by this point people realize is a sick joke.
Hamas is suddenly being talked about on every news channel and anything even remotely pro Palestine is now labeled as pro Hamas when most people in this country, I would argue, most likely had never even heard of Hamas before October seventh. Labeling something as pro Hamas truly just means nothing. As
far as Israel is concerned, the UN is Hamas. In May, Israel's ambassador to the UN, Galad Erdan, said in an interview with Israel's Army Radio that the UN has quote turned into a collaborator with Hamas, maybe even more than that, a terror organization unto itself. Wow, Israeli leadership has just continued to one up themselves when it comes to saying the most insane fucking shit. And then, according to Zionists, the college campus protests that we're calling for a literal
end to genocide are also pro Hamas. Earlier this month, a lawsuit was filed in Verse by a US law firm and an Israeli legal group who have teamed up to suit two organizations involved in recent college campus protests, the American Muslims for Palestine and National Students for Justice
in Palestine. They accuse these groups of collaborating with Hamas to serve as their quote propaganda division in the US arson of Trosky, the CEO of the International Legal Forum, who was working with this US legal team of Greenberg Tarig and the National Jewish Advocacy Center. He called the American Muslims for Palestine and the National Students for Justice in Palestine, as well as all the protesters supporting Palestine, most of whom are students as quote the foot soldiers
of Hamas. If I was going to go through everything that Israel and Zionists have labeled as pro Hamas, this episode would never end. But I hope it's clear that this label and accusation isn't based on any real sort of evidence or proof, and it is only a way to scare people into blindly supporting Israel in quote defending itself big quotes there against this growing evil spreading across the globe and invading our campuses, when in reality, there
would be no Hamas without Israel. Although Hamas eventually grew into being the most active armed resistance group in Gaza, it definitely didn't start that way and it wouldn't have even had the power to grow the way it did if it weren't for intentional actions by Israeli leadership that started decades ago. Before we get into a timeline of the Resa Hamas peace deals that have led to this very similar deal at the US proposed all deals that
again Israel has rejected. I want to make sure we at least have an understanding of what Hamas, even is Hamas, which is an Arabic acronym for Islamic resistance movement, would not exist today if it wasn't for Israel. American and Israeli politicians are always saying the same thing, how dangerous an evil Hamas is, without mentioning how Israel itself helped
create Hamas. The TLDR of it all is that israelis helped turn a bunch of fringe Palestinian Islamists in the late nineteen seventies into one of the world's most notorious militant groups. Is in a conspiracy theory, It's a confirmed fact. Former Israeli officials, such as Brigadier General is Sak Sagev, who was the Israeli military governor in Gaza in the
early nineteen eighties, have openly spoken about this. After his tenure, Segev told a New York Times reporter that he had helped finance the Palestinian Islamist movement as a quote counterweight to secularists and leftists of the Palestine Liberation Organization aka the PLO, as well as the FATA Party, which was led by Yaser Arafat. Arafat two referred to HAMAS as
quote a creature of Israel. Hamas was officially founded in nineteen eighty seven, at the start of the First Palestinian Intifada or uprising against the Israeli occupation, but its beginnings actually started much earlier. Hamas founder, sheik ahmedia Sin, was a member of the Muslim Brotherhood. The brother Hood had been repressed by Egyptians in Gaza prior to nineteen sixty seven, but once the Israelis invaded and occupied the Gaza Strip,
they chose to encourage this group of extremist Islamists. The dominant Palestinian political force in Palestine at the time was the PLO, and it was deemed a threat to Israel, and so Israel sought to undermine its power. The PLO is a nationalist coalition which was centered around the secular FATA Party led by Yasser Arafat. By empowering y Scene in the Muslim Brotherhood, Israel thought they could divide the occupied Palestinian people and eventually rule over them by playing
them against each other secular nationalists versus religious Islamists. In nineteen seventy eight, Yasin wanted to officially register his Islamic Association, which was basically the precursor to present day Hamas. The Israelis jumped on the opportunity to help make this happen. Yasin built and grew a network of Islamists social institutions across Gaza, funded largely by Israel. Avnar Cohen is a former Israeli religious affairs official who worked in Gaza for
more than two decades. In two thousand and nine, he told the Wall Street Journal Hamas to my great regret, is Israel's creation. Back in the mid nineteen eighties, Cohen even wrote an official report to his superiors warning them not to play divide and rule in the occupied territories by backing Palestinian Islamists against the Palestinian secularists. He wrote in his report, I suggest focusing our efforts on finding ways to break up this monster before reality jumps in
our face. Clearly, his superiors did not listen to him, and Hamas was the result. To be clear, Israelis had helped build up a militant strain of extremist political Islam in the form of Hamas and its Muslim brotherhood precursors, and allowed it free reign in order to quiet any chance of progress in Palestine, and then when it became convenient for their desionist narrative, the Israelis tried to bomb,
besiege and blockade it out of existence. David Hashem, a former Arabs affairs expert in the Israeli military who was based in President in the nineteen eighties, said the original sin was Israel's support of ya See in the nineteen seventies. He said, when I look back at the chain of events, I think we made a mistake. But at the time
nobody thought about the possible results. Yeah, no shit. The only American politician that I know of who has ever referenced how Israel Is responsible for Hamas's creation is Ron Paul. In two thousand and one on the floor of the House, Ron Paul said Hamas was encouraged and really started by Israel because they wanted Hamas to counteract Yaser Arafat. Speaking of Arafat, not only did he himself tell an Italian
newspaper that Hamas is a creature of Israel. He also said that the former Israeli PI Prime Minister Yasakrabien admitted this to him, calling it a quote fatal error. Yaesin was eventually assassinated by an Israeli air strike in Gaza on March twenty second, two thousand and four. Sylvan Shalom, former Israeli Vice prime minister, set after Yasine's death, that quote Scheh Yassin and his organization Hamas are responsible for the killings of more than four hundred Israelis, when actually
no Israel is clearly largely responsible. David Long, a former Middle East expert in the US State Department under Ronald Reagan, told journalist Robert Dreyfus, I thought the Israelis were playing with fire. This, of course, is not a unique development, as there have been dozens of instances of unneeded and malignant US intervention in other countries for its own gain, and since then Hamas has killed far more Israelis than
any secular Palestinian militant group. Israel built up Yasine and Hamas as a rival to Arafat's FATA then they killed ya scene, and then they doubled down and making Haamas Israel's worst enemy, an enemy it would use to justify to the entire world that it was not only okay but necessary to control and massacre millions of Palestinians. In the process of destroying this threat, Israel spent more than twenty years helping build up Hamas and then spent another
twenty years trying to destroy it. All of this is to say that, aside from the purposeful assistance from Israel and creating Hamas, that Hamas wouldn't even exist if it wasn't for the Israeli occupation, there would be no resistance because without the ethnic cleansing enforced violent occupation, there would
be nothing to resist. In the process of bolstering this militant group, Hamas also became the main armed force behind the Palestinian resistance, and many view Hamas as the only group even attempting to defend Palestinians in the face of Israeli occupation, and the organization itself has changed over the years, especially in the last decade, it seems like Hamas was and is increasingly trying to establish a more favorable status
quo for the Palestinian people. Hamas's leaders were shaped by the hard realities of a brutal occupation, which was marked by mass arrests of Palestinians, the expropriation of Palestinian lands and control of their resources. More than half a million Palestinians were arrested and tried in Israel's military run courts between nineteen sixty seven and nineteen eighty seven, and over fifteen hundred Palestinian homes were demolished and thousands of Palestinians
were forcibly deported aka ethnically cleansed. After Hamas won the two thousand and six elections in Gaza, its leader Hania said the group exccept did a state on the nineteen sixty seven borders, as well as all the decisions taken by the PA and the PLO, but there were no takers.
HAMAS leaders also backed the two thousand and two Era Peace Initiative that called for the following the withdrawal of Israeli forces from territories occupied in nineteen sixty seven, the right of Palestinian refugees to return to the homes they had been forcibly displaced from since nineteen forty eight. And the formation of a sovereign, independent Palestinian state in return
for air recognition of Israel. But Hamas's offers were repeatedly dismissed by Israel and ignored by Israel's Western allies, including the US, despite Washington's claims of playing the role of a quote honest broker in the conflict, Tarek Baconi, author of Hamas contained the Rise and Pacification of Palestinian Resistance, told Al Jazeera Hamas has always said that they are ready to offer a truce and to stop targeting civilians
if the Israeli occupation or moves its settlers. At least seven hundred and fifty thousand Israelis live in hundreds of fortified illegal settlements and outposts across the occupied Palestinian territories of the West Bank and East Jerusalem, the vast majority of which are again built illegally, either entirely or partially on private Palestinian land, and thus they violate international law.
One of the more infuriating and frankly incredibly stupid talking points that Zionists have when it comes to talking about Hamas is the two thousand and six election where Palestinians elected Hamas as their appointed leadership. I want to remind every one of a few things. The Gaza strip has a very young population. Most of the inhabitants in Gaza are under fifteen years old. The largest population group in Gaza are children between the ages of five and nine
years old. This population wasn't even born yet, let alone old enough to vote in two thousand and six. And furthermore, leadership does not indicate your right to live a life, your right to not be killed. If you're in America and Trump is your elected president and you hate Trump and maybe other foreign entities hate Trump, do you deserve to die? No, you don't. The resistance fighters in Hamas
are not the ones who wrote the original charter. They're not the ones who establish Hamas in the first place. They're young people that are joining the most active armed resistance to defend Palestine. It's their only option, and Palestinians have tried other non violent forms of resistance against this occupation. In twenty eighteen to twenty nineteen, there was something called
the Great March of Return. It started on March thirtieth, twenty eighteen, and ended December twenty seventh of twenty nineteen. Every Friday. For those years, Palestinians in Gaza demonstrated and protested along the border fence between Israel and Gaza for a right to return to their homes and to demand an end to the Israeli blockade in Gaza. During this time, the Israeli army killed a total of two hundred and
twenty three people. Over thirty six hundred and one thousand people, including nearly eight thousand and eight hundred children, were injured. This is after a peaceful attempt at demonstrating, after a peaceful attempt at trying to resist occupation, they're still shot and killed. They're shot with the intention to kill. Expecting Palestinians to be pacifists when it comes to resisting a brutal, violent occupation that has been now almost a century long
is very small minded and entitled and frankly wrong. Palestinians have their right to resist. Armed resistance is legal under international law when it comes to resisting and occupying power. What does this mean? Maybe you've heard that train of thought before. Let me explain it to you. Let's go back in time a little bit. The General Assembly of the United Nations the UNNGA, which was once described as the collective conscious of the world, noted the right of
peoples to self determination, independent and human rights. As early as nineteen seventy four, Resolution three three one four of the UNGA prohibited states from any military occupation. However temporary hum curious Israel has been doing that for decades now.
In the relevant part of the resolution, the resolution not only went on to affirm the right to self determination, freedom, and dependence of peoples forcibly deprived of that right, and particularly peoples under colonial and racist regimes or other forms of alien domination, but it also noted the right of the occupied to quote struggle and to seek and receive
support in that effort. The term armed struggle was implied without precise definition in that resolution and many early other ones that upheld the right of indigenous peoples to evict an occupier again the right of an indigenous people to evict their occupier, but the imprecise language was changed on December third, nineteen eighty two. At that time, the WNNGA Resolution three seven Slash four three removed any doubt or debate over the lawful entitlement of occupied people to resist
occupying forces by any and all lawful means. The resolution reaffirmed quote the legitimacy of the struggle of peoples for independence, territorial integrity, national unity, and liberation from colonial and foreign domination and foreign occupation by all available means, including armed struggle. And although Israel has tried time and time again to recast this ambiguous intent of this precise resolution, trying to place its now nearly century long, violent brutal occupation in
the West Bank and Gaza beyond this resolution's application. The declaration itself proceeds to be very explicit in its language when it comes to Palestine. Section twenty one of the resolution strongly condemned quote the expansionist activities of Israel in the Middle East and the continual bombing of Palestinian civilians, which constitute a serious obstacle to the realization of self
determination and independence of the Palestinian people. That's what I mean, and that's what many people mean when they say that Palestinians have the right to resist and armed resistance is illegal under international law. I want to bring that up because even if Hamas does not reflect the viewpoint of some Palestinians, Hamas is also the main armed resistance group that has been fighting against the IOF in defending Palestine Gaza in particular against Israel, and they have a right
to do that clearly, as international law states. Regardless, Let's go back to talk about the history of Hamas and how they amended their charter in twenty seventeen. In twenty seventeen, Hamas formerly amended its original nineteen eighty eight charter. The new charter holds that armed resistance against an occupying power
is justified under international law. And while the nineteen eighty eight Hamas Charter has been widely criticized for its anti Semitism, the two thousand and seven document states that Hamasa's fight is not with the Jewish people, but with the Zionist project, and as you should realize by now, anti Zionism is not anti Semitism. The new charter also announced once again that it would accept a Palestinian state on the nineteen
sixty seven borders. This would recognize, in effect, a two state solution and therefore the existence of Israel as a legitimate entity. This was proposed even as Israel continued to insist that it can no longer allow Hamas to exist, and as Israeli politicians, led by Netanyahu, repeatedly ruled out a two state solution. Hama's political leader Hahaled Mischal said at the time, the Hamas thinking from the very start,
was clear we are not facing a religious war. Hamas, ever since its inception, realizes the nature of the struggle against the Israeli occupier, that it is not a struggle because they are Jews, but because they are occupiers. Israeli officials dismiss the new policy paper as lies. In a video Ntennyah, who symbolically and dramatically threw the document into a trashman, saying it was an attempt to deceive the world.
Through its actions which span across decades, Israel has not shown any interest in a political agreement, whether with Hamas or or other Palestinian political parties like FATA, which governs the occupied West Bank. Sary Arabi, a Ramala based political analyst, told Al Jazeira, the issue is not about Gaza. It's also not about whether Israel or Hamas started the war. There are daily killings and assaults in the occupied West Bank. There are attacks on the XA Mosque, there are prisoners
and checkpoints. The people in Gaza are refugees, they were isolated and separated from the rest of the Palestinian people, and the vast majority of Gaza's population are refugees who were forcibly expelled from their homes and villages in the nineteen forty eight Nekba by Zionist militias. Many political analysts also blame Israel for the failure of the Oscil Accords
signed in nineteen ninety three. In nineteen ninety five between Israel and the PLO, which was representative of the Palestinian people at the time, the agreements led to the formation of the PA, an interim five year governing body meant to lead to an independent Palestinian state comprising of the occupied territory of East Jerusalem and the West Bank and
the Gaza Strip. However, thirty years into its existence, the PA has failed to create a state in the face of Israeli occupation, legal land grabs and settlements, and then Hamas took control of Gaza from the PA in two thousand and seven. While there was initial support for the OSCO Accords among Palestinians, the failure to reach a final peace agreement by nineteen ninety nine and the growing settlement projects,
particularly under Nanyahu, left many disappointed. In a leaked video in twenty ten, Nnyaho boasted about how he made sure the Oslo Accords did not succeed. The hopes of the Osco Accords turned into despair as Israeli policies under successive governments continued to undermine the PA and its aspirations. Today, the PA has limited administrative rule over pockets of the occupied West Bank, while Israeli settlements, which are again considered
illegal under international law, have grown rapidly. The settler population in the occupied West Bank and East Jerusalem has grown from two hundred and fifty thousand Israelis in nineteen ninety three to more than seven hundred thousand this year. In his talk with El Jazeera, author Tarik Berconi said the Israelis wanted Oslo because that's how they maintained their colonization
by maintaining the facade of a peace process. Hamas was showing a mirror to the Israelis to say, if you're actually talking about the possibility of ending the occupation, then end it. That was their offer, instead of the nineteen ninety three awesome agreements that they would stop armed resistance if Israel let Palestinians be in the eastern side of Jerusalem,
the West Bank, and Gaza. When we look into the history of Hamas, we see that its political leadership has over the years proposed newnumerous long term truces or cease fires to Israel in exchange for the realization of a sovereign, independent Palestinian state. But Israel has rejected those offers, arguing that Hamas could not be trusted to adhere to any long term ceasefire and insisting that any proposal for a short term pause and fighting were insincere and strategically aimed
only at helping the armed movement regroup from losses. I've said this before, but it bears repeating. Every Zionist accusation is a confession. The reality is that Israel is the one who cannot be trusted to adhere to any long term ceasefire, as we have seen time and time again. Here is a summarized timeline of the most recent peace deal attempts that have been proposed since October seventh, since
the genocide and Gaza started. In January twenty twenty four, the Nyahoo rejected a Hamas proposal to end the war and release more than one hundred captives held by the group in exchange for a withdrawal of Israeli forces, the release of Palestinian prisoners in Israeli jails, and recognition of Hamas governance over Gaza. And then, on May sixth, Hamas said it accepted a Gaza ceasefire proposal which was put
forward by Egypt and Katar. This deal would come in three stages that would see an initial halt in the fighting, leading to lasting calm and the withdrawal of Israeli troops from the Palestinian territory. It would also ensure the release of Israeli captives in Gaza, as well as an unspecified
number of Palestinians held in Israeli jails. The framework of the agreement in brief is the release of all Israeli captives in the Gaza Strip, civilians or military, alive or otherwise from all periods, in exchange for a number of Palestinian prisoners held by Israel as agreed upon, and a return to a sustainable calm that leads to a permanent ceasefire and the withdrawal of Israeli forces from the Gaza Strip as well as its reconstruction in the lifting of the siege.
Hmm.
It seems little familiar, doesn't it. But Israel unsurprisingly did not agree to this proposal. Instead, it bombed Rupha, which made the Israeli government's message clear there will be no
permanent ceasefire. Israel's bombing of Rauphah was justified by Israel as a way to disband Hamas battalions and seize control of the Gaza Egyptian crossing, which Israel accuses Hamas of using to smuggle weapons into Gaza, But humanitarian groups were quick to point out that a closure of such a crossing would only lead to further disastrous consequences for the more than one million Palestinians living in the Daphah, the majority of them displaced from other areas of Gaza, who
fled to Daphah after being told by Israel that it was a quote unquote say zone. Israel said at the time with the terms of the may Haama ceasefire deal differed from previous proposals it had seen, but analysts believe that the wider issue is that Israel is not willing to agree to a permanencyspire, even after Hamas releases all
Israeli captives. Omar Dehman, an expert on Israel Palestine with the Middle East Council for Global Affairs, spoke about this in May, saying, the last couple of days have proved that Israel was not really negotiating in good faith. The moment that Hamas agreed to a deal, Israel was willing to blow that up by commencing their assault on Rafah.
The goal is to destroy Gaza in its totality. And then on May thirty first, the US announced its own ceasefire proposal that Biden said would lead to a quote lasting ceasefire in the Gaza strip. He said the proposal involves three phases, the first of which would last six weeks and would include a full and complete ceasefire as well as the withdrawal of Israeli forces from all populated
areas of Gaza. Again, this peace plan is almost indistinguishable from the one that ham also agreed to on May sixth. A quick reminder that only twenty five days before this announcement, on May sixth, Hamas had agreed to a ceasefire proposal by Egypt and Kattad that is almost identical to the one Biden announced on May thirty first, and Israeli leaders rejected that initiative. On June seventh, Israel rejected the UN's resolution of its own hostage deal offer, which was a
permanent ceasefire in exchange for release of all hostages. A reminder that the only mass release of hostages has come through ceasefire exchanges, and that a ceasefire deal means freed hostages without mass death. It boggles my mind that there are still people defending Israel and saying all this Palestinian death is for the hostages, because again, if Israel cared about their lives at all, they would agree to a deal because that deal can guarantee the safety of the hostages.
But they do not care about the hostages. Every time Israel rejects a deal, they are telling you that, and yet their supporters are too entrenched in the lies and
propaganda of Zionism to ever see clearly. So, just to summarize, the US proposed a ceasefire deal which was almost indistinguishable from previous plans, agreed to buy Hamas, and then, while seemingly waiting for Israel to accept the deal, the US launched a military operation and committed more war crimes to murder hundreds of Palestinians, and they did this by hiding in humanitarian aid trucks while deceiving the world and the Palestinians into thinking that they were trying to formulate a
ceasefire agreement. The US helped Israel plan and carry out its massacres. This is what peacemaking looks like to the United States. A ceasefire deal is the absolute bare minimum, and it is nowhere near enough. The removal of Nanyahu is nowhere near enough. He's being set up as the fall guy and scapegoat for Israel, skirting the responsibility of what the Israeli state has done to Palestinian people since
nineteen forty eight. The Fight for Palestine is a liberation movement which demands nothing less than the full dignity, freedom and security of all who live under this violent military occupation. It's a demand to end Israeli apartheid, and until that happens, Israel will continue to get away with the Nekaba that started in nineteen forty eight and continues today. The Nekba
never ended. Israel will continue to get away with the genocide and ethnic cleansing of the Palestinian people until Israel and it's a apartheid is dismantled. A cease fire is the absolute bare minimum to achieving that, and that, my friends, is our episode for today. Please keep sharing and learning about what is happening in Palestine, and don't stop talking about it. Free Palestine.
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