The Curious Case of Nazi Catboys: Part 2

they actually happened. Um. But before we before we get into the topic of fascists becoming fem boys via exposure, because I do, We're gonna start off by talking about kind of well generally the book book the episodes can be talking about people who are fascists who then get in defend boys techics. Right, last episode we talked about the fem fast, people who are fem boys who they get into fascism. Now we're talking about the fascists who

now get into fend boys. Um. But before we get real into that, I think it's gonna I think it would be helpful to get a bit more into what these online communities were like in the um. Now, all the sympos like a combination of what I've gleaned from reviews, direct messages, my own pulling up of old like four Chuna read it threads. It may not necessarily reflect your on experiences perfectly. What is the most in depth I

can do on an audio only medium. Um, some won't be thrilled about this, but we do need to discuss traps um at their place within the online community at the time. UM, which means we must divine, which means before we first must to find another term for the blissfully unaware. So really heartbreaking because when I was a child, Garrison trap was just a house where you hit your drugs. It is it is not a trap house. This is a different, different, different type of track. This is, this

is this is before trap house turned into a podcast. Yeah,

and people didn't know what a trap house was. Great heartbreaking the term, but the term trap is were using it here UM, at least on the internet, originates in the in the early two thousand's on image boards UM specifically for June UM and it it got to be as it as it got more populous, to term got more kind of widely recognized as a slur specifically usually a slur against trans women UM or a slur for like any like feminine presenting a person who was a

signed mail at birth. So it's it's it's use and origins at least when the Internet comes from people posting pictures usually from anime very like feminine looking boys, um, alongside the meme of Admiral Akbar saying it's a trap. Right, So this this is this is how this idea of the trap kind of started, at least online. I talked

with some like other trans friends of mine. They say that it definitely they in their opinion, they remember it being a term even before the two thousands on the Internet, of being kind of more of a slur towards trans women. Um. I can't find any kind of stuff online about that specific angle, but the term the term may be older than that offline, but at least the online use of

it really comes from the Admiral Actbar meme. UM. So of course, the it's a trap idea kind of implies some form of deceptions at play, right with these drawings that are pure feminine but may actually be depicting adolescent males or you know, worse, trans sexuals right woo, very scary. Um. So this this soon got transferred over from being applied to anime drawings to being applied to pictures and then

in person encounters of real fem boys or trans people. Um. So you know, it's as in like if you found someone that looks female enough, as the mean would go, um if to be attractive, and later found out that they were actually a boy or they were a trans woman. The idea was that, like, you were deceived. Thus you must be on the lookout for any kind of potential attractiveness of fem boys or trans women or else you

two might be trapped. Um. So this again, this is it's it's it's often it's a very transphobic, and it's like it's comparing fem boys to trans women because these are not the same thing. Um. Obviously there's is very very hashtag problematic for a lot of reasons. Um. But there's also the the meme the of our traps gay, which is referring to a kind of like satirical debate around whether or not it's gay defined a femboy, a

male cross stresser, or even a trans woman attractive. Um. Now the meme does riff on the whole like fellas is it gay? Thing? Um? And gee whiz am I glad the fellas meme has surpassed the R traps gay meme. Uh. Obviously obviously, not only is the R traps gay thing, pretty homophobic and transphobic. Um. It's also tied to a lot of like real world violence against trans women by men, all of the trans panic defense, right, the whole, the whole, the whole trap idea kind of does tie into the

transpanic defense. A lot of you know, men who claim they simply had to attack or killed trans women once they found out that that she had a dick, right, or maybe used to have a dick, not even anymore, or it doesn't dove a matter more commonly or common called the trans panic defense. Yeah, yeah, so, and like the mere thought of that was so scary that they just they used the transplanic defense in court when violence

against trans women is enacted. Now, obviously this is also much more attacks against trans women in this vein are much more common on trans women of color than than than white trans woman. That's another that's another important thing

to mention. But circling back to fourtune Nazis and fem boys in the in the two thousands and tens, trap was almost like a badge of honor and self descriptor for many fem boys as well, like being able to trap or like you know, pass for a woman while having a dick was like the highest level of fem boy nous. It was like it was like top shelf femboy was being because was being able to to achieve

this feat. Um. Usually this was you know, for the purposes of taking like lewd pictures of yourself and then having them be you know, well liked or spread across online forums. UM. In my interviews with people from these online spaces longer than I've been around, UM, it was it was like described to me by them that being like fem boys are just trying to look feminine, whereas traps are really trying to look like girls. And that is kind of like the distinction in these in these

places at the time. UM. Now, you know, all while calling yourself trans was heavily discouraged and ridiculed. Um in two thousand and eleven, you know, four chun it was it was, it was. It was hard to be it was hard to even be openly gay, like, let alone transgender. So but being self described as the trap was much

more accepted. So a lot of people would actually self describe as this or want to be self described as this, like want to be at the point where they feel like they could say this, um, and it's it's interesting. It's like a lot of a lot of the attraction to traps um was in a lot of ways genuine, but also all wrapped in this like joking, ironic kind of exterior being like, oh, it's all like it it's all like a bit that we're that we're all in on the joke for right that that's kind of this

was explained away. Another quote from the interviews is like quote, if you actually admitted to being actually actually romantically attracted to traps or femboys, you would be heavily ostracized. People would say things like, oh my god, you actually did it, like you actually did the thing um, because it is it is. It was like wrapped in this sense of of of of like irony and and and any hint of sincere attraction was masked in this like ironic joke

like facade. So at this point four chan is basically an amateur porn filled sesspool of anime, h gaming, edgy jokes, and increasingly bad politics, with pole really taking the shape of like the Nazi machine that it is today. So close proximity and probability is all it's necessary to make these racist and Fen boys have this you know, uncomfortable awakening once they start seeing a whole bunch of pictures

with people's dicks wearing like made outfits. Um So, with with all these like edgy, ironic and not so ironic jokes, the racists populating these chans forums, online spaces, it's only a matter of time before they get exposed to boys posing in Japanese tennis skirts and pink wigs, which helps create this infinity loop idea of like FEN boys to get into racism and then fascism, and then and fascists who discover they like dick girls and when boys were addresses,

and then it's it's because they're because these things are happening right next to each other. It's this whole phenomenon of self contradiction that just keeps itself going. So we we were now we were now done this section, thankfully, um I did not want to get into having to talk about all that stuff because I know it's not people don't like talking about it. It's pretty, it's pretty. It's plays on a whole bunch of extremely like transphobic like tropes, but it is it is a big part

of this this this kind of phenomenon. Um. So now we're going to next part, which is in cells gamer gate and anti feminism. So I I'm I'm not going to focus a lot on the idea of repressed queerness here, right, the idea of like raging homophopes being secretly gay, because I think that idea gets a little too much attention

when we talk about this sort of thing. Now, don't get me wrong, this absolutely does happen, but I generally view sexuality, gender identity, and gender expression as much more fluid attributes, even among people who consider themselves as systems straight. So I I don't like defaulting to this like explainer of being like, oh they're homophobic, that means they're secretly gay, and like that's I think that's kind of lazy and stupid.

But when when when we're talking about the curious case of Nazi cowboys, most individuals involved not only identify as straight and sis gender, but are also very homophobic and very transphobic despite their overly like queer behavior, because it is it is like queer and like the original sense of the word. Um, And I think I think there's much more interesting ways to analyze this beyond the repressed

gay trope. We've already we've already already are talked about some femboys and femboy appreciators adopting reactionary and conservative social beliefs to fit into the larger culture around four Chune and parts of the online gaming community to find this sense of belonging and you know, shared shared community among

other people. But in order for the fascist femboy to be such a lasting meme and trope in and of itself, in my mind, there needs to be a bit of a stronger justification for the inherent contradictions beyond just finding community itself. And we will we'll talk about that when we come back from from from our break. Here's here's some ads that that are hopefully about how you two can go on Amazon dot com and buy a made outfit.

And we're back. Okay, we're going to talk about in cells, um, one of one of my Yeah it's uh okay, um in cells or like can voluntarily celibate people whatever I used to. People who are listening to this know what in cells are. Um. But the insel movement gained traction in the mid twenty teens alongside gamer Gate and the growing kind of anti feminist and alongside of mass shooting probably there was. There was There was also the Toronto attack when the install round over people in that van.

There's been multiple mass acts of islands tied to the in cell idea. And how they A lot of us just call them horny isis I've never heard anyone call them that before. Well they are, I mean immediately Also this is This is also the same period where just isis is on Twitter, so they share where I really want Isis to chime in on the Will Smith to face No you don't like I would love here. I'm

waiting for the Taliban's take. No no, no, no no. It is violet against his violence, comedians, his violent comedians justified the Taliban weighs in at six Taliban are you could get the Taliban arguing with isis K. By god, it could be done. What a what a what a better world? That especially if Trump was still on Twitter and commdiate. Oh god, that would have been so funny. If Trump had been around on Twitter too. It's the only time I've missed him, just like, oh yeah, yeah,

that would have been that. That would have been the good ship anyway. Um, yeah, and cells there. It's a pretty obtensibly violent movement because it's it's all about making young men disenfranchised about their future, right. It's this fatalistic idea that they were promised things and now those promises are no longer being kept by society, so you are kind of doomed to live a pathetic life forever. Right. So it is a very fatalist idea that really kind

of encourages acts of violence. Um But the in the moment was gaining traction around this whole time, right right beside gammer Gate and the growing antifeminist movement, And I think the key to putting this puzzle together is in the hatred and resentment of women itself, um as like a thing. I think think this is actually a key part of why the femboy and femboy fascist thing kind of caught on. Most of the loose organizing of these movements were happening on four Chan and Reddit right eventually

eventually discord as well. These were the same places that were home to the anime posting femboy amateur porn community, and one of the most common viewpoints at the time was that feminism is ruining women, right, It's it's it's disrupting the natural patriarchal order that many boys were taught existed, you know, with promises of girlfriends and wives that are

like rightfully there's as some kind of like obligation. Yeah, I mean this is when we talked about like promise people being men being promised women were generally talking about like the way in which fiction kind of complicitly promises women as as a reward for heroic orgy. It's just being good. It's like it's it's it's specifically like a cultural idea that is probably the best example of this.

Star Wars, Luke Skywalker becomes a hero and gets to gets to kiss his sister, you know, yes, which is just think which is the driving driving motivation of many many in sales said they took in one day because their sister. Thank thank you Robert for that for that cistinct analysis. I used to I used to be a film's reviewer, Garrison. So like, if you're taught and raised like thinking that something like this exists, right like this, this this this correct patriarchal order, like it's like it's

it's it's almost it's almost like this like righteous truth. Um, and you if you then discover they're like, that's kind of a lie, and that like women are actually individuals with value not tied to the ownership by a man. Um Some men have a very very unhealthy, often violatile reaction to this realization or confrontation, and so some people

then decide to do mass shootings. Some people, uh kill people, some people just do you know, some people might just do you know, like um intimate partner violence, right, say that they do get a partner at some point and it's not going the way they want and they just become abusive. Right. So there's a whole bunch of ways

this this type of thing can manifest. Um. So, faced with the work of like not being a dick and trying to combat this ingrained misogyny and then having to like actually put effort into being attractive and desired, a lot of men instead opts to either like attack outwards

or withdrawal inwards, and sometimes the mix of both. So with the with the fascist from boy thing, a lot of this is like withdrawing in words, right, A lot of these people are too introverted and to kind of cowardly to actually do like a mass shooting, which is like that's that's that's that's probably good. Um. But then with them and drawing in words, we're gonna it's kind of manifest in this in this in this different way.

So when dealing with this almost like misogynistic nihilism, a lot of dudes really lost hope in the prospect of a future romance with women. So instead of putting in effort to adjust their personality, adjust their behavior, change the partrict, but change their patriarchal outlook and improve their physical appearance, many guys inside will retreat to their online communities full of other guys facing similar issues. All Right, it's easier to live in front of a screen and I have

to face other humans in person. These these people don't really have much substantial experience in real life interacting with the opposite gender. Um. So these perhaps you know, these these so called straight guys that were drawn to fend boys also may have had just had like bad experiences with women. They may have faced rejection, and that rejection

may have really brought them down. Um, And then they assume that they're always going to be rejected by women because of like a few bad experiences and the kind of guys who are on these chans forums and Reddit online gaming. They tend to be generally more socially outcast, people who aren't necessarily super physically naturally like attract of the masculine right you have like people everyone, almost everyone

can be attractive. You just have to like put in work if you if you just never do that, Like a a lot of boys are never taught how to actually make themselves look good, so they're just kind of like just like, like attractive isn't much like they if you go on these in cell forms, they'll focus a lot on like, well I have you know, there's these folds in the creases of my eyes, or like the way that my nose is very physically impossible for a

woman to be into me. And it's like now like more than people Like there's all sorts of different preferences people have for physical things, but overall, like the number one thing you can do to be attractive is to be a person that people like be confident their life if you have like have a good personality, like learn how to do a variety of things and just like

have have a life. A lot of people like that seems neat They think that they can achieve you know, they think that women should flock to them, even if they put in like no effort at all, Right, they just do what they're doing. They feel like why is this not working or the effort they put in. It's like Ellie again, Eliot Rodgers the perfect example of these kind of people. Like the effort that he put in was he like made his dad buy him a really

nice car and he dressed in expensive clothing. And it's like, well, that's actually very few people are attracted to that. And yes, the people who are attracted solely to someone having a nice car and clothing probably really weird specific like physical things.

They're also only looking for um. But that's because you were like like that, that's not making yourself attractive as opposed to I don't know, learning how to cook or or learning you know, a foreign language, or you know, being an emotionally available person who's not purely viewing relationships into transactional nature where you're you're paying for sex by being friendly, you know, but you know in a way. But you know, what's easier than doing all that is

just hating women. That is, that's a much easier to think of these these people to do default to this. So the Internet taught me one thing. It's that it's quite easy to hate women. So while these like all right hell holes like four Chune um and you know read it online gaming right, online gaming is full of misogyny, um, all these all these places like really hate like actual women.

It's they still heavily fetish size femininity, right, It's still viewed as this like glorious, like like thing that's put put put put put put on a pedestal, even though they hate like actual women themselves. So feminine dudes can be fem boys or cause play anime to garner attention or social praise, you know, amidst some you know standard you know, like people like oh your faguets, you're disgusting comments,

But you can they can. They can still like cause play and dress up and post pictures without being totally shunned by their fellow edgy all writers because it's kind of funny and some of them may actually find it cute,

even even though they may not admit it. Uh. Fem boys often do have you know, I generally think cute and effeminate features they can in For these people, a big part of the goal is to like trick the brain into thinking that you're just looking at a girl, um that might just so happen to have a penis.

So therefore, when like viewing these pictures, these guys are also like getting a sense of familiarity with girl like imagery, um while thinking that like they also might have a shot and with interacting with this individual because they don't have a vagina, So that makes it makes interacting with them like easier because there's like more things to relate to.

I guess, um, you would see a lot of like role playing and like role playing of sexting and like role playing of dating girls through this fem boy framework just actually a really common occurrence as like and it was it was explained as like it's like a sort of practice for imagining their future of dating women. It was like it was like they're doing this to like

practice interacting with women. Um, so they're just gonna be role playing dating fem boys whild being Nazis, but they're doing it so that it's like a practice so that they will be better at dating women in the future. It's like so that that's that's actually a really common thing um or like yeah, like sexting as as as like, yeah, I'm just doing this for practice, Like I'm not doing this so that I will be good at sexting in the future, just doing it with these fem boys on

you know, discord on for Chad whatever. Um, because like all of like the whole femboy thing is still dealing with the patriarchal views of beauty. Right. It's it's femininity as the sort of performance put on for the enjoyment

of others. And because it's about that, like appreciating femininity itself, it's seen it's a lot safer than full on homosexual attraction, right because it's it's allowed if if you're if you can appreciate the femininity, then that's allowed to propagate despite also kind of being degenerate because the person generally fem boys usually self ideas male. But because it's wrapped in

this feminine package, it's allowed to be appreciated. Um. And for the people that did eventually come to terms with their queerness, the four Chan femboie thing allowed them to safely dip their toes into exploring how like exploring homosexuality, bisexuality, exploring like gender bending without like abandoning the typical masculine

feminine rules that were kind of raised to be comfortable with. Right, it's still in the regular masculine feminine like rule sets, but it's approachable because it's allowed to be done through this both both this like ironic joke, but then also it's still it's still based off these patriarchal views of

feminine beauty. So it's it's it's it's a weird thing. Um, it's it's that's a it's the other part of it that I like to explain to people because you're like, oh, that is like trying to picture fascists fake dating each other online so that they'll be better at dating women in the future. It's just a very absurd idea. It's I it's fair. I'm actually fine with this, but like it makes like it makes sense, like it like it, like I understand it, and you can like yeah, I

get it. Um. And it did help a lot of people eventually realize maybe I'm not the straightest stick in the shed, or maybe not the straightest stick in the fascies. Yeah.

I mean everyone needs a safe space to figure out what they are, and I guess that even includes fascists maybe because like not because I want fascists to be fascists, but because maybe some of them, through this weird role playing role will like get over some stuff absolutely recognize that, like, oh, maybe maybe I'm just like gay and I need to like work on myself, like I'm I'm maybe I've been

barking up the wrong tree with all this Nazi stuff. Yeah, because amidst like the gamer Gate, in the height of the insult era, these guys felt more comfortable exploring their eagining sexuality in these male dominated online spaces right there. It's easier to relate to other males when they're when they're all like growing up, coming of age, dealing with dealing with these like feelings of it like abandonment, loneliness.

Right they do this in these male spaces. They feel a lot safer to express themselves, um, you know what, whether or not they're full of fascists or like other people who are like very like reactionary, because at least they can understand male desire um and that's they can relate to that and internect with people who are you know, they they can eat innoct easier with people with dicks well wrapped in this feminine package, which is so much easier than the much more scary and much more elusive

of like females out there. Right, It's it's that that's kind of the framework that this was propagated through. It's it's it's really interesting that it's like you have these people who like they're they're like they're they're they're Transmisogyny is such that like they they they've escalated to a point where it circles back or yes, it is. It is so intense. It is such a it's there's so

much going on. Yeah, yeah, it's like it's like it becomes this like like I don't know, it becomes like the fact that it's like conceptually impossible for them for just like a woman to have a dick like that has like circled back around and just completely come to define how they have gender in such a way that someone who is like just is performing gender like as a woman, like to the extent that like they're trying to like they're they're trying to have people use like

to trancellors against them. Yeah, it's it's an interesting there's there's there's so much going on because yeah, it's routed in a whole bunch of it's people exploring gender in this weird way. Well also like relying on heavily like misogynistic, trans misogynistic, homophobic kind of ideas. But it's it's also it's like it's very queer in this and like the way in the way they're going about it, because it's a whole bunch of like self it's a whole bunch

of like self justification. It's a it's a whole bunch of like stuff around like what they view as feminine, what they views masculine, what what they view like being a woman means, um it is it is, it is. Uh, it's it's a lot yeah, like as as like a more as like a gender queer trans person. I like, I like look at them go through all this work, and like, wow, they could have bypassed a whole bunch of bullshit if they just like less of a dick, Like if they're just less of if they work as

horrible people, they could have experienced these same things. But again, like they were, they're in their own isolated communities, they're they're dealing with these same ingredients just from this weird backwards way. So like it's it's obviously very transphoblic and in a lot of senses, but a lot of a lot of these people eventually realized, oh maybe I've actually trends.

So it's this. It's like, I don't know, it's obviously not great in a lot of ways, but I don't know how to discuss it when saying like, yes, it's obviously not great for how like trans mistagnistic it is, but they're all working through some stuff. Yeah, well, you know, I don't want The one thing I will say about this is like, yeah, like if kids were actually allowed to be queer normally, like this ship mostly would not happen, Like you, you wouldn't get so many people who get

locked in these like who who are queer? Who get locked into these spaces? But then also like the only way that they could express themselves in these like narrow, isolated wpping spaces is to like this ship or they're into the like just let people express themselves normally, and this this you can deny the fascist recruiting ground Like yeah, I mean it's it's interesting, Like it's like when all all these people are looking at interacting with them boys, I think a lot of those is why they they

were able to play with these ingredients. Is that they did not experience the same like anxiety or like heightened stakes or negative or like negative connotations in their mind that that they normally do when thinking about what men because women are just so other so especially like if you can rationalize this, this attraction, defend boys are simply a prelude to dating like quote like real women in whatever like fantasy cottage core future they might imagine, then

this idea is a way more approachable. You're gonna need to explain cottage core for the I am not I already have we have we we are having an add break, I still in brief it is this like return to tradition obsession you see among like chunks of the far right who are obsessed with the idea that if they if culture was the way it was in the fifties or in like the they would live on they would live on a small farm with their wife and children

who would be utterly submissive to them, and everything would be perfect. But like, the only thing in between them and happiness is that they're not able to live in a in a in a small like farm with a woman who they essentially own, that the gist. I will say a lot of cottage course are also used by liberals and people on the left as well, just as like an aesthetic thing, we all want to live on

a small farm in the world. Think that makes it The cottage core that we're talking about is specifically the idea of I want to own a woman and and own my children and have like no no power capable of like stopping me from yeah whatever, because like cottage, cottage, corn TikTok is pretty sanitized and pretty much like more of an aesthetic thing, less tied to those patriarchal structures.

But anyway, like everything we're talking about, there's the version that's Nazis, and there's the version that's, like, boy, it sucks living in a four thousand dollar a month apartment in New York City that I share with nine people. I sure would like to live on a cottage in the woods. Anyway, speaking of living a coteage in these woods, Um, if you buy these products, it'll get you closer to

your college core lifestyle. So give it away. Sponsored entirely by the concept of big cottage, big cottage, the cottage industrial complex. All right, we are back, and now we're talking about the point of the Nazi cat boy debate that everyone I think who is familiar with the topic knew was coming. No, no breakdown of Nazi cat boys and the Nazi catboy whenomenon is complete without talking about Nick Flintez and Catboy Cammy. So Nick flintes, Yeah, this is uh, this is this is part of the part

of the show that that everyone's been waiting for. Um. I don't know that most people would know to be waiting for this, but broadly recognized by our audience. So in short, if George Lincoln Rockwell has the permanent body of a seventeen year old boy, UM, that would that's Nick Flintest as many if you know. Nick Fointest is a white nationalist livestreamer, political activist that runs the Fascist

America First organization. UH. He's known for fostering a farther right conservative base than say Ben Shapiro or Turning Point USA UM, and has pulled stunts like sending his fans called gropers to Turning Point USA events to take over the Q and A sections and basically asked Charlie Kirk why he isn't more fascist? Um? Yeah, And so he runs this whole organization mostly known by doing his daily lives streams. He's been doing this since he's like sixteen

or seventeen years old. Fucking nonsense. Um. And it's kind of a running joke or widely acknowledged secret that Nick is kind of gay. Um, based on the way he talks about women, and based on what he said about his own dating history and snide comments from fellow home homophobic Nazi friends has led a lot, has led a lot of people to to this conclusion that Nick may not be again the straightest stick in the fascists. Um,

thank you, thank you, thank you one. And as as a significant contributing factor to this, like question of nick sexuality, um, is due to his catboy arc. Um. So so this this arc begins in January, um, finally giving our audience the important, important news. This is what you need to know people. That month, Nick created a catboy themed channel in his own America first Discord server with Nick, with Nick messaging post catboys in here, please with with weird

capitalizations throughout the throughout the thing. So Nick cheered on along with other people, posting pictures of various catboys from pop culture and cat boy edits of Nick Frantez himself. Um One America first server user posted cat boys are trad and w means like traditional list in kind of the sense that like Nazis are traditionalist. That's that's what that person is saying. He also posted very funny. He

also posted cat boys were like cath boys. Oh God, so like again, Yeah, so that's that's that's the that's the joke. I'm lucy, You're you're you're out of control right now. This is it is so I've I've looked through this discord. He's arguing, this isn't very funny. I've looked through this discord server multiple times for the for the screenshots of when you have the cathboy channel, and it always makes me happy. It is. It's one of

the most funny things I've ever seen. Yeah, as as your friend, I'm always warring between wanting you to be happy and worried that this is a cry for help, but please continue. Eventually, Nick faced some pushback from inside the server for fostering degeneracy, um with with others with with others defending the catboy channel by saying, brother we love is Christian amazing standing See this is this is, this is exactly, this is the good ship. This is

what we've been building towards as a civilization. Right there, baby people, other people, other people defended the Catboy channel by saying, women don't respect Christianity, your tribes. Thought y always leaks out eventually. Good God, Yes, that's that's that's the good stuff. I got. I got no comment, just just perfect thank you. But but because Nick is fundamentally a coward, he did cave under pressure and deleted the

catboy channel. Um, and we lost. I think the American First movement today could be so different if he kept this is. This is why the cause of Americanism is doomed, this kind of cowardice. But but but as as we will see from Nick, oh absolutely this this whole, this

whole sections about Nick Wintest being thoroughly cocked. But as as we will see, Nick continued to use, um, the exact rhetoric I laid out in my in Sales gammer Gate and antifeminist section while defending what he calls attraction to traps um and we can, of course, we can apply this this defense broadly to catboys and from boys. As Nick does, Um, I'm going to try to I'm going to try to play a video of about about Nick Fuentas um our traps gay. Yeah, traps are gay.

I've always maintained traps are gay. Of course, you have stacks with the man. It's gay. There's no getting around. Now. Now that's sad. That's said. Look it's gay. I get it. I agree. Now that's sad. It's know, we're in times where the women are not really meeting their obligations. So I'm not saying you're not. Look, if you have sex with the trap, you're game, no doubt about that, and you should be ready killed, you should be made fun of. But it's a little bit different than if you did

it like twenty years ago. That's all I'm saying. If you in the nineteen sixties, in the nineteen sixties were banging a trap, I would say, what's wrong with you? Like I would say that now. I would say that now, I would say, were you're some kind of sick freak. We have all these beautiful girls and they're normal, you know, and you have sex with a trap. What's wrong with you? But in nineteen it's like, well, it's it's different, it's

a different circumstance, different options. There's still disavowed, I disavow, it's condemned, it's gay, it's all that. But you know, it's just different. I think everybody understands that. But I'm still listen. Just have to half a little, just have to have a little nuance, all right, It's just a little nuance. Different times, different times, it's I maintain strong disavowal, strong disavowal. Do not you not do that. It's gay, it's immoral, You're going to hell, and it's weird and

it's grows. Oh my god, what's wrong with you? Female? Yeah, I haven't heard that one in a minute, person, I'm upset. That was horrible. You'd femoids since the David Sereni days, which looks at home if you don't, if you if you missed David Serene, you missed the one brief moment where the far right was purely funny. That was bad, So so be the worst. So yes, being being attracted to traps makes makes you gay, according to him, but not really, because the female rice isn't carrying their burden

like it once did back in the sixties. It's like back in back in, back in the old days of the nineteen sixties, it's it's like they've like almost gotten back to the like the I mean, I guess it probably still like a sorm, but like the the thing you got with fascist sometimes where they were like yeah, like I fucked you is but I'm a top so it's not gay. It's like like so close, get there. They're so close, and it's like it's like Roy Cone

kind of yeah. Yeah. It's like I think I think, like I think once we get like just slightly like maybe like twenty more years out from like the evangelical evangelicalism as I don't know, I mean maybe maybe maybe it's resurgen is gonna be like a big enough heyday thing. But it's like I think, if you had like twenty years with the right wasn't completely dominated by a sort of evangelical homophobia, like I think you would just get

back there and well, we're already on that way. And it's but the Nick Funt has kept saga does not stop here. No no, no, no, no, no, I am It is funny maybe the wrong word, but fascinating that we are heading inevitably barreling towards this future where simultaneously, homophobia is still a massive part of conservative politics, and

conservatives are gay as hell. Like that's that's absolutely something where we are speeding towards like a drunken family on the back of a four wheeler about to break all of their necks at once and crash in the woods. So Nick Fuentes love tweeting about cat boys. He didn't a lot, and for a while, Nick's cat boy jokes and like a memory was tolerated under his banner of like irony poisoned reactionary comedy. But every ironic joke has a stipping point, and that makes that makes enough people

wonder is this actually ironic? Uh? And for Fuantes, that moment came when he live streamed a ten hour date with a fellow fascist live streamer who went by the name cat Boy Camy. Now, first, let's let me explain who cat Boy Cammy wasn't at the time. Then we'll get into the date that we're doing. That that we'll get to Nick Quentes's brief altright cancelation. So tour Brooks a k a. Cowboy Cammy formerly going under the user

name lolly Socks. So that's fun. Um is an Australian fascist live streamer who first came to prominence by uploading clips of himself harassing users on the popular video chatting site. Oh mowgli ogilby. I never know how to say this. One moogul little emoguli. People here, people, people will know what I'm talking about. It's this. It's this randomized chatting app that does video chatting with the randomized users. Oh yeah, it's O m E g l E. I never know

how to say it, but it's this. He would. He would upload himself videos of him harassing people via via this chatting app. Um. In one of them, he dressed his up in black face and while brandishing guns and trying to he was trying to find like black black kids to taunt on this platform. Another one he dressed up as a policeman um and kneels and an effigy he made likeness of George Floyd. Um, he it's it's he is, he is he is pretty gross. Uh he's

he's he's he's a pretty horrible person. But for a long time his bit was dressing up in anime costumes and dressing up as a catboy. Uh to then talk about like neo Nazi rhetoric, well dressed as a catboy and this this was his funny bit that he would do. UM. At one point he was streaming like twenty four hours a day, UH for ten days for like for the for the days and days on end um and he was earning thousands of followers in places like US and Russia.

UH and he became the seventh highest earning streamer on d live and d live was a popular live streaming platform used by fascists. Um in and so in late twenty nineteen was when cowboy Camy popped up like in America, initially catching the attention of Nick Fuentez. Over over the course of a few months. UH. He kind of made friends with various people in the American far right internet sphere, like Milo Richard Spencer Baked Alaska, but but Nick Fuentes

was his original kind of entry point into this. Nick saw Nick saw his videos online and was interested in like what he was doing. Uh. Nick said that he had a good sense of humor, and he's good looking, and demonstrated and demonstrated his repeatability that he's able to achieve viral moments and retain a streaming audience. So Nick became friends with him because he thought Cowboy Camy would

be like a growing internet presence. I wanted to kind of move his his type of like his type of pretty like racist and horrible like joke pranks and tried to give them more, give them more of a platform to kind of frontline reactionary ideologies. Um. So, when when Nick was getting familiar with Cawboy Camy, Cammy on online activities were mainly consisting of dressing up as an ANIMI cowboy to do random like political debates or live streams or show it like anime conventions, to harass people, um

and doing like various gags and pranks. One of the most infamous incidents was when he was deep throating a massive horse cock dildo hooked up to a bucket of fake semen. Um. Good, okay, yeah, So in December, in December, Catboy Cammy flew from Australia to go visit Garrison. No, the semen was fake, it was. It was Oh okay, got you it was. It was a massive horse cock dildoo hooked up to a bucket of like fake semen. Right, okay,

so just like corn starch and I'm happy. Yeah, if we want to go of the recipes later, I'm sure we could make that a whole episode, But now I know how to make fake come. In December, Catboy Cavy flew from Australia to go visit Nick Fuentez and then just proceeded to live stream the ten hour totally straight hangout session with Catboy Camy dressed up as a catboy the entire time. I mean, this does sound very straight

to me. They go to go to an arcade, they play games together, they get food and milkshakes, they go clothing shopping and try on matching outfits, um all while laughing and giggling the entire time. Um well, while uh well uh while driving and listening to extremely gay pop music. Catboy Cammy says to Nick that here reminds them of an X. It's great, and by the end of the ten hour stream, it's implied that they it's it's the end of stream, it's implied that they share a room

for the night. Um sure, I'm sure they did. And it's ten hours of pure horrible Nazi flirting. And it's it's pretty. It's it's a thing, it exists. Um. But as so as news and details of the live stream UH started to circulate. A wave of a wave of infighting among the alt right and the gropers spawned some amazing articles and headlines from neo nazi news sites. Uh. There's a headline from the Daily Stormer called the Growing for Revolution is canceled after Nick Fuentes reveals to be

a catboy and gave Hayett. It's just pretty pretty astonishing. Yeah, that sounds that sounds about right. And other other great headlines. We have a Fuentes disavows catboy after a pressure from trad news. If you're if you're sitting down and for your movement that you want to take over the government typing down, Fuentes disavows cat boy. Perhaps you need to think about some things. We got another headline as catboy Candy versus Richard Spencer because Richard Spencer trying to cancel

Nick for this because Nick was getting more popular than him. Um. And we have then another great headline which is a Nick Fuentess catboy BFF is a mockery to his sexuality. Anyway, it's uh, it's pretty good. There's this this great this is this this great. UM. A bit from one of these articles which, which, which, which which? I'll quote. So it starts to start off by saying, is Nick Fuentes attracted to women? If you trusted the plan, you wouldn't

ask such questions. I will say that I don't think the ten hour live stream helps King Nick of the Grappers. At the moment, he had a good thing going. We're trying to promote a more Christian and normal presenting nationalist movement and was getting a lot of traction until he ruined his image by associating it with this. None of his various enemies did this to him either. He did

it entirely to himself. So yeah, um, but like, obviously, like the point of this is not to like, not to like put Nick Fuentez's sexuality on blast, Like I do, do not care one way or the other. Um, it's not a problem. The problem isn't is that The problem isn't that Nick may find cat boys incredibly hot. Uh, But the problem is that he's like a Nazi and stuff and calls for the extermination of gay people while

also doing all of this ship. Um, and you know, Nick Nick still maintains that he isn't gay and gay people should be exiled from society and he would never associate with homosexuals. Blah blah blah blah blah. Um. All while doing all this incredibly straight behavior. Um. Uh for up on Catboy Cammy. Later in Catboy Camy made multiple appearances that Trump rallies and various other political events, going viral multiple times for screaming incredibly racist, anti Semitic, and

openly fascist rants. Um. You probably saw footage of Catboy Cammy in Um. He was just just he was just he was just dressed as like a regular person. But he there was a few clips of him at Trump rallies that went very very viral. Um. And Nick even U disowned disavowed Catboy Camy for bad optics. Uh. During during during these incredibly racist rants, he would he would

go on at at at Trump rallies. Uh. Um. And then of course we have America America First and UH and and Nick Fuentez then being you know, an escalating part of the protests in d C leading to January six. Um, we have the person alleged to have stolen Nancy Polosi's laptop being in those America First discord servers and UH and grooming young boys by dressing up as a cat girl. Um so all part of all part of we This will get talked about later in like these articles and stuff.

This has not been talked about. Some people already know about it. But but yes, um so it's all part of this same like Nick Fuentez catboy sect of things, of these these like people who who call themselves tread cats who then do all this weird cat boy shit. And yes, the the person who stolen people laptop who was like an open Nazi, um was was grooming like miners on on discord by dressing up this cat girl,

by by dressing up with a cat girl. Um. Yeah, So there's a whole bunch of this, this whole sphere

of stuff. You can find some incredibly dark dark corners. Um. But nowadays, uh, in the Year of Our Lord, Uh, fem boys are way more of like it's like generally acknowledged to be like a kind of like a leftist like communist thing almost um like And and I think the reason why this debate got so, I think the reason why the fascist like the fascist femboy debate got so kind of heightened in the past few years, like ever since like tumbler band porn, uh, there's been a

migration of tumbloy users onto Twitter, and a part of part a part of this migration is not sake for work users and content um, including fem boys and people who fetishize fem boys and even fetishized racist fem boys. Moving moving on to Twitter, right, Twitter has become the new has become the new de facto tumbler in a lot of senses. So the past three years, more and more normalies have been exposed to these types of like

off the cuff people. Um. Then, of course TikTok has sent fem boys into the mainstream because TikTok is also oh it's not an image board, but it is a visual medium right where you're posting small videos of yourselves. So a lot of a lot of catboy and fenboy

content on TikTok. There's even this horrible article from two from August by Vice called introducing fem boys the most wholesome trend on TikTok as if fen boys were invented in mind boggling article of But yeah, fenboys are now much more if you take the Vice article as an example, fenboys are now fully mainstreamed. Right, fenboys used to be a small subculture, but among Gen Z kind of culture

as a whole. Now, fen boys are very popular. They are they are kind of they are one of one of like one of like the hot new pokemons to collect um and I'm gonna Harrison, that's cultural appropriation from millennials. You're not allowed to talk about pokemons. I don't, I don't care. We we own those now. So just just to talk about like scale of memes here, I have some Google have some like Google trends um on like

Nazi cat boy and not see fem boys. Uh, and we see the mass The biggest, biggest spike in Nazi femboy is January of one, which makes sense that that's when I started writing this this script. Actually, um, you say yeah, for for Google trends got a massive spike in January one, and it's kind of been decreasing since then, but still still like it was. It was like you would see blips every once in a while, like there's

a small blip of Nazi fem boys. Seen a small blip in and then a small blip at the start of the pandemic in March of because people are alone and isolated, so they're doing this instead UM, and then yeah, January one massive massive spike um the same thing with a very similar to racist fem Boy. It's basically the same exact trajectory. We do get a pretty big spike and racist fem boy in June of UM, and then another big spike of actually of November one is the

highest is the highest searches for racist em boy. So it's still very much an ongoing meme of like a thing I'll being like, yeah, femboys are pretty racist. It's still completely completely ongoing. Oh thank god, yeah it is. It's don't worries, it's not. It's not a closed case. And that's good, Garrison. I was really worried for a second.

No people, people, and this like I think, I think if you're not extremely online, you probably even like you might not know about this, Like this is like this is an actual discourse on Twitter, Like oh yeah, like this there will be like a week We're the only thing people argue about is whether femboys are inherently racist.

Obviously they're not. Like it's it's so. And the last thing I'm gonna mention here is enemy is in the is it the Unicorn riot discord leaks when they leaked a whole bunch of information from lots of different fascist channels. We have over a thousand mentions of cat boys inside that you know couldn't riot fascist discord leaks Garrison, I haven't question for you. Yes, I do you think God stays in heaven because he too lives in fear of

what he's created here on earth. So if you want to have a fun time, you can go to Discord leaks dot, Unicorn, Riot dot Ninja, um slash discord slash search, then put in put in Catboy and scrolls skulls scrolls through thousands of posts from these Nazi channels, not mention cat for here. We got stuff from like sar God of a cod the We have the Discord channel, Domestic Terrorism Planning, Discord Catboy channel, we of course have we of course have Nick Fuentes. We got every whatever you

would look for, you can find it here. Um. And that is that is the curious case of Nazi catboys. So there there you go. Any any questions class Garrison, why why did you do this to us? Because I

thought it would be fun? It is on the on the inside, it's funny anyway, happy Well, that is uh so, yeah, Now, I hope I hope you all have a better look into why the fascist femboy meme exists and how people can have the cognitive distance in their own heads in terms of you know, fetishing, fetishizing feminine attributes while still hating women and then leading into the Nick Fuentez catboy craze that has swept with the nation as a whole. So just okay, just just just be queer and a leftist.

You don't have to do the shape. You do not have to wrap your brain in fucking seventeen layers of bullshit of like weird misogyny. You can just just be gay and leftist, and as as we as we showed you can, you can. You can be a leftist. You can love Stalin and be a catboy. It's totally fine. I think you can be anything and be a catboy. That's that's the main message of the twenty one century.

Adimir Putin is going to come out as a catboy when he releases his next unhinged rant and support of J. K. Rowling. That's that's that's where the discourse is headed. It's inevitable, it can't be stopped. I wanted to be with Nick Fintesan, Vladimir putin Hold cants being a cat boy. All right, well where we're going. That doesn't for us today, everybody. If you wanna follow the show, you can follow us on Twitter and Instagram at happen here pot and cool

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