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Rohingya History and Cuture with Aung Kyaw Moe

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James sits down with Aung Kyaw Moe a Rohingya, human rights advocate, and adviser to Myanmar’s NUG.

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Hi, everyone, is it could happen here and it's just James today because today I'm doing a little interview on the situation for Hinga people. If you're not familiar with the Hinda genocide, we're not going to cover that in depth, but we will give a little bit of an overview. And I'm talking to onkyr Mo, who is Rehinga himself and who works with the National Unity Government and advising

them about Hina people's human rights. I think the news cycle hasn't really covered many hinder issues since the Rhinea genocide. The world's kind of moved on from caring about them, but they're still in a very difficult situation, and we want to update you on issues that continue to face the Rehinga people. I hope you enjoyed the interview. So today I'm joined by on Kyomo, who's an advisor to the National Unity Government of Myanma, which people will hopefully

be familiar with. If not, he can explain a little bit of what that is. He's an advisor to the Ministry of Human Rights and also a hing Your human rights activists himself, and so Pai, thank you so much

for joining me, Thank you for having me yeah. So what I'd love to do today is I think if our listeners have listened to our previous coverage what's happening in Myama or Burma, depending on which one you prefer, they will know a lot about the coup, and they will know a lot about the things that happens INSCU right the PDFs and the ethnic resistance organizations. But I think they might not be as familiar with the situation that Reiner people have been in for a long time

and continue to be in. It's a different part of the the country to we were we were in um Maso, which is on the other side. That's something we've covered a lot less. So perhaps you could begin by explaining,

like why there are so many Hindia refugees who have left. Obviously, the history of the persecution of Ranger people is very long, but if you could give us sort of a potted history of the persecution of Rheinga people by various governments in Myanmar and and what has led to this massive exodus and this this big refugee population for Hinda people, now, that would be great to start with. Great, thank you, thank you for having me in. The history is very long,

but I will be concrete and and and short. The Rheinga people has been in Myanmar before Burma even exists, before Burma become Burma, and before British came. And their significant architect color related infrastructure that exists indicates existence of

the Ruhengan. There's a lot of literature research and Runga people themselves living in generations and generations um there indicates that Runga are part of my and Mare and it used to be and it will be and runger not only the ethnic minority, they are also the religious minority.

Majority of Premise people are Buddhists and of the second largest, followed by the Muslims are Christian, and then the third largest or Muslim and Ruhinga are Muslim and and Ruhinga are single Muslim ethnic groups and Sink also religious ethnic groups.

And there has been historical exclusion discriminations sponsored by the and sponsored and carried out by the consecutive government of Myanmar to target the religious and ethnic minority, to exclude from religious, ethnic and social aspects of the society, and and it has been politically motivating for many government It has always been beneficial in in and bussing the larger populations of Myanmar by showing Ruhinga as a threat to the country because of their religious differences and to the

way that we were and we eat are slightly different than than purpose because we have our own culture and own traditions and own language and and UH and it's

enreached by by those UH. Thus the first start of execution, like executing these discriminatory policies to work to the Rhinga has started as as long as um as far as back in nineteen sixty where the first cool took in nineteen sixty two when first cool took place, and then military consecutive military government accelerated that to form to uh A situations where it could be UH defined and fall

under the category of the crimes against humanity. UH So in nineteen seventy eight there is a big operations against Rhinga people to deport them and two d thousand people has to be flee to to Bangladesh and some of them still remain as refugees to pout generations for the generations in banglad there's not being able to repatriate it

to the place where they come from. And followed by that the nineteen UH nine two, there was another influx of the refugees, and the refugee it's also the quite significant larger number of the refugees, and and and not

everyone could come back. And there is another layer of the refugees that remains from the report treating then from the biolation, the human rights violations became too throwing as business a surial, limiting the child, the number of child that you can have, and treating you less than an animals, not having the religious right to exercise the way that you believe, and restrictions of movement, killing, raping, and it's continued, and it has been accelerated in different form and shape

where it could be it could come to a situation it's from from crimes against you, and it is being transformed to genocides and and in two thousands seventeen it's one to the highest pick of the genocides where a million people are being deported by burning and many people had a thousand people died, and many thousands women being raped. And there are a lot of fatherless a child in the camp today being uh big bond by by by by the Women's who, victims of the of the reef

of the Miama military. And today there is a million people in Bangladesh and UH with no hope to be reportuated soon to the place of origin with safety and dignity. And of course the political landscape in Myanma has shifted. UH. It used to be in the democratic transition from two thousands ten to twenty with two consecutive different government. And the democratically elected government has been overthrown by by a temkup by the military who had ruled the country for

for for many decades. And and and of course the democratically elected government which I advise to UH is being Some of the member of the government are being arrested, and some are in the in the ethnic territorial control, and and some are in exile, and and and so the country. So the reactions of the fifty million people has been different because there has been several co Indian mara and this was the the the political calculations of the military leaders to attempt the coup was wrong that

they did not expect the resistance of the people. And then of course the the the young generation Z people came in to to resist. Uitially, they claimed to be peacefully protesting to hand over the power back to the to the to the democratically elected people. But as a result they were being brutally cracked on and killed, arrested. And then and then the young people started to understand that we need to speak the language that they understand.

They understand, so they speak that language is grabbing a gun and and and and promming the military. So followed by that National Unity Government has been fromed by with the elected members of the of the of the Parliament worth lower horna opera host. So the National Unity Government today is the most the legitimate government of the NMAR and having also some territorial control. Of course, the majority of the government in infrastructure are being being captured illegally

by the military untain. Yeah, that's and it's interesting that people aren't familiar with the sort of ethnic makeup of previous governments and then the National Unity Government. From what I understand, it's not as much dominated by the majority ethnic Berman people in the International Unity Government as it was before even under the n LG. Right, even under sort of the most most democratic that there has been in the MMA for some time, like there was still

a domination by by one ethnicity. Right that the National Unity Government is more ethnically diverse, is that right? Correct? But still there's are a lot of rooms for improvement. Particularly Rhea people has always been part of Myanmar and politically excluded. And despite a million people being pushed out to the Bangladesh through a genocidal attempt, the remaining populations in Myanmar is six people politically represented, both sides of

populations under continued genocidal attempts of the Miama military. Internationally, United Government did not include politically meaningfully the Rhinga populations still now and they appointed me as an adviser. But a politically representable size of populations need to be represented,

not by functions alone. It's need to be fund both all represented by functions and number equally to to UH, to other ethnic And we're in the context of identity politics in Myanmar and your political rights and responsibilities to what to the nations are associated that the very identity that you were so time to time. There is a big questions like you know, we're moving forward to the part of democracy to make the kind too, back to

the track of democracy. But the very principle of democracy is majority rules and and respect the minorities right right, And still the Runga are being despite the international pressure, particularly the United States and it's allies to have inclusive democracy and Ruhinga people are not yet meaningful included in

the government. Yeah, and I think that's something we've spoken about a lot with with Karen and Karni people who we've spoken to about the sort of the need for a more inclusive structure, whether that's like a federal democracy after obviously after the military hunter has been deposed, or certainly something that's more inclusive, and perhaps we can talk about how like it's very interesting to me when I talk to young people generation Z people from MMA, they

will say that like they wouldn't have even said sometimes for a hung yet like ten years ago, that they wouldn't have used to turn. They have seen the people who we know who we would call Rhinga as Bangladeshi's right, because this was the narrative. Can you explain how you've explained very well that that's not true, but how that narrative was constructed and what it was used to do.

I think it's once again to exclude through Hingen to carry out systematic destructions mentally and physically on the Rhinga is also a lot to do with their spreading propaganda, misinformations and disinformations through a state let media bost online and offline. And so this means these destructions has happened with the state sponsortain state pre planned intentional um intentional intentional UH way of doing it. And thus the society

the people has been restricted from moving. And this is one of the least developed region where the hunger people living. A lot of people from from like other states wouldn't be able to travel and go and see what is happening really inside there and to people would not be

able to movets of that to tell their stories. So all the narrative that people here is the military and the government what the government used to put at that moment, So in the in the in the eyes or in the perceptions of the people through Rhingas are from Bangladesh and they are trying to to take over the country and they had a national security threat and that was the narrative. So they the reality is being defined by the perceptions and calls and misinformations that being given in

the consistent intentional way to the young people. And of course today I think has changed slightly to be seeing to what is reality and people showing the sympathy to what happened to the Ruhinga, because it's every time something happened in me Amre like that, it's consistent to work to the Rhinga, the human rights violations, crimes against humanity

and genocide. And the people fifty million people in Yanmar were not either they are seeing neutral or they're extending with the military not like too that this should do this and this is right to do to kill people direct to rape because their national security threat. But what had happened to the Rhinga people, perhaps in the not the same shape and the same a slerity or valocity or momentum or intensity has started to happen after the coup, to to the to the Boma people. And then they

tend to realize what happened to Ringa. What Ringa used to tell running the whole village is killing and raping, is exactly what what what is happening more or less exactly what is happening to us? Than they were right? And it's the big teams change and the proper traitors remain the same. And would that concept to people come to But again I think they still it's very small number of the populations, uh compared to the whole populations

that lives in Yanmar. And in the critic principles there is no like you don't tend to say something just because that you sympathize, and there there are principles and values that you do not compromise in any circumstance. So equal right, justice and and inclusivity and like like celebrating of the diversity. These things are very core principles of of of the democracy that that we are like a

Suburmese people asking from international community to help. What we're preaching for to war to the democracy need to be demonstrated at home. First, we need to act up on and and so I think the benchmark there's no the benchmarks shouldn't be defined to include or exclude someone based on the sympathies need to be based on the principles

and values. Can you explain a little bit about the situation that Hinge people who have left me and and maybe they're INCOXETERUSA, maybe they're in No man's land, maybe they're they're now being moved to an island, right. Can can you explain what life is like for those people. Of course, the when we can get people flights to Bangladesh,

it was attempting to survive. Uh like they managed to survive and otherwise many died and they could be one of those who who died and they survive, meaning that these old people are have physical and mental destruction and unhealless scars in their physical and mental aspects of the life.

And and of course a million people in Bangladesh to be hosted by the Bangladeshi government bangladeshih people has been also very difficult because the resource in the given area is very limited and Bangladesh itself is a small country with with with limited resource and and we should always appreciate Bangladeship people and Bangladeship government to open their arms and hurt to to to absorbs and and and a

Midian people and and and and again. I think the problems started in Myanmar and and the solutions need to be in me and Mare and and the people need to be going with say dignified h way to the

place of origin. And and of course Bangladesh. It has been five years plus now that the people like the largest influx took place in Sucer and seventeen uh, and they were repatriation septem being made and and the when people fled from Myanmar jump into the Nap River and Bay of Bengal into those seventeen because the land was

more dangerous than the sea. Situations remained very same or even worse than that now in in in Mire Mar to be going back so you you escape from a grape that you have buried, uh to be killed and being pushed to go back to to to me and Mark is as being sent him back to the to the grape that you escape from from from dying uh.

So the situation doesn't favor for a safe, dignified, voluntary return for the for the Reinga that's Bangladeshi authorities are trying to find different innovated modality in different ways how to how to create sustainable situations for the including relocations of the of the certain number of the of the of the Inga populations because the the the the camps are very congested and the hygiene level in the camp are very low and there are a lot of also the the the crow on like you know, if a

million people in a small scale place like that's are being being closed, anything could happen anytime, you know. So the the the idea was too by the Bangladeshi government, which doesn't fall into into the principle of international way of doing things, and and relocating some of these refugees

to an island that has its a new islands. No human being has been a lived there, and the island has been technically from various technical assessment has identified it's not livable by human being yet and because there are a lot of like cyclones and and and flats and things like that, and it's very far away from millions of Bangladesh and and it yeah, so there is risk

from UH from various perspectives to be able. But despite this, Bangladeshi government has built, sheltered this and relocated UH some numbers of Ruhinga, and some of them went by their own will, seeing that it might be a different and and some are being maybe perhaps post and and of course there are a certain number of like around close to UH five to six thousand people in no man's land when Bangladesh at the beginning did not open its border when Rhinga were feleeing, and so this Norman land

we're being occupied by the nearby abilities because Bangladesh wouldn't open the gate for them and they were stuck in in there. So they have it happened to be stuck there since the last five years. Uh and the remaining gro lives in in in in coxwas a districts of Bangladesh in different parts of this this districts. So that's the situation. Yeah, that's very well said, and it's some people have taken on recently leaving these camps in Bangladesh.

They've taken on this very risky boat journey, right. I think they're going to places like Malaysia, if I'm not mistaken, Indonesia, And can you explain a little bit about like how prevalent that is and of course how incredibly like high RISCU it is for people to take that journey. Sure, the the situations in the camp is not much different than the life that they used to live in in Indian mar Despite that, the level of level of human rights politions and the treatment that they're having may not

be the same. But Bangladesh is not a signature to refugee conventions and it's not legally obliged to be to be following all international norms and protocols to be to be hosting the the the the the refugees. But despite they have demonstrated the humanity UH and demonstrated the moral obligations towards the humanity to to host the million people and the then the a million people. Some of them has been from V eight and some of them are from nine, some of them are from two seventeen. Has

a very dark future. They are closed in this fence camp and the movements are restricted. Access to informations are not given like the interne Access to informations are are like internet service and things like that has been denied. Access to livelihoods are denied and they're not able to legally work and solely rely onto to the International Humanity

and assistem. Access to education has been denied. So the young people who are growing in this camp does not see a future they will be able to go back

to me and Mark or if they live here. As if you're living a debt, like you know, you don't have any any any way forwards seeing a bright fisher So there is there is the only they don't have the best alternative to be trying to be exploring different parts and the only part it's happened to be is being created in the past, uh in the past by some rhingas taking these boats and making to Malaysia where they could do some domestic works and get a refugee

status and maybe able to work, and and some you're lucky enough to be resettled in the third country. A small number maybe less than two, less than two or three percent of the total total ruinga reladyershire. So the journey is very risky. The the the the the boats that they're taking, the first the c is very rough that they take, and their the infrastructure, what infrastructure that they're taking are not uh bill like, they not built in a way to be coping with this rough sea

and rough rough weathers and climates. So many of these younger people who make this, less than fifty percent of them may make it to the to the destinations. Either they die on the sea, or they are being arrested by different navies and and and or they're they're being jailed by by Mini and mar junta. And in two thousand twenty two alone, three thousand, five hundred, more than three thousand, five hundred people including children as young as two years old, jailed to five years for trying to

attempt to to go to Malaysia. So this is this is what it is happening. So the the life is meaningless there. And of course taking this journeymane that you're tossing a coin whether you get a tail or you get you get head or you got tails, you know, and and and so it's like betting your life whether if you make it, you're you're life to somewhat level meaningfully, if you don't make it your life and it is more or less the same that you will live in

there in there. So that's why these are the push factors, and of course they are full factors reunifications. If a son has made UH three years ago, five years ago to to Malaysia and working in the constructions or or or or or or or gardening like levers and and you have a remaining family in the camp and you don't want to see your family in that situation, and you're want to bring your family kids or children's or

wife and you do that. And lastly, also they are growing youth in Malaysia who are who want to marry the UA and maintain the culture and language and things like that, so they want to have rights bringing from the refugi camp and and so they're they're different, uh push factor, pull factor as well from from Malaysia, but the prime primary factor is the push factor in Indian martin in Bangladesh, right, Yeah, and fat reason for people to want so yeah, some futures and some chance to

realize their own life and that goes. So can you explain people will probably have seen like I think we're recording this on Thursday, UM, which is the date nineteen and people would have seen the last couple of days maybe videos of fires in No man's land, and they will probably have seen like some acronyms, which are a lot of acronyms when when you're reading about me m

I can be very confusing. So could you explain a little bit about who these two groups that we've seen, right, the A R S A and the R s O, who they are and what they what they represent and perhaps why these two groups who are nominally Hingia are fighting each other. So the in the context of ME and MA politics, the ethnic people UH has been fighting for decades and and and decades UH with ME and

Mama lestry and Bama supremacy. Like for larger majority supremacy UH at the beginning, they were attempt during the time of independency through reconciliations and dial of meaning like without arms. But the language again being understood by the by the Myanmar larger majority is the language that they speak as well.

So then ethnic people started to grab the arms and resist control their territory to UH to attempted to control their territory in order to get the equal right and decide for their own future, be part of the decisions that collectively impact their nations and and basically equal right, justice and and and those those things. That's what ethnic people are are fighting for and giving their lives and livelihoods. UH. It's nothing less than that are nothing more than that's

very simple. We want to live with dignity freely equally with anyone else. And and so many ethnic revolutionary organizations forms came came up in different part of Myanmar representing different ethnic and Ruhenga also used to be one of

those back in nineteen fifty UH. After nineteen forty eight dependent and nineteen fifty two, Ruheinga is the first one to drop the gun in a change of the peace with the government saying that we are peace loving people and as long as you give us what what what our identity and and and we're able to end, we are.

So then there's a certain period of time that the Ruhenga people did not have an arm oppositions group because I am someone who believe in non violent movement, but in a context like myrmar Again, non violence movement wouldn't go anywhere if it's worked seventy years. Uh wouldn't have the longest singular war in the world more than seventy years, right, So we need to be practical and seeing the reality like that. So then then nineteen seventy eight, again these

things happened. And then and the Ruhinga thinks, okay, then what we have been promised and what we have were we are being told to be promised to be given is not given. So we have to grab the gun again and and form do as others are doing in order to to uh. So, the Rhinga Solidarity Organization has been formed and it has been one of the popular organizations, getting a lot of popularity from the Rhinga community. And then there were issues within the institution that has been growing.

Of course, uh they were not able to maintain uh the the institutional growth and institutional resource managements and then the institution collapse and as well as it has to do something with that, like you don't have a territory like other other other arm oppositions group will will be in stations in me and mark where Unga, we're stations in Bangladesh and Bangladesh government we're not really supporting enough for them to survive with with with the where to

enhance its military capability and of course there are several other other other things and and so then it's disappeared in between and then and two thousand fourteen, Uh this guy, a guy called um this the guy who is leading currently the the the are scar Conds Salvation's Army, who was born in Pakistan and grew up in Saudi Arabia. His parents, he claimed his parents is Rhingen. Of course

uh he speak the rhing language. That's mean it's indicated that he uh he's and came to to our kind of state to mobilize people saying that you needed to grab the gun. And this is what then people across who have critical thinking skills and did not believe into things because it's need to be from and within. And someone who does not understand how many and more politics look like cannot lead revolutions because revolutionary has to do a lot with the with the politics political landscape as

well in the country. And and uh but however, there's a certain number of people who believe in it, in follow very small number and uh and inga didn't want to again fight or or entry into violence, and they just want to live peacefully and and that uh and they are resilient to to the to to what they're trying to uh gain equally as others. And and so then our consolvation servey U E R S. He has attacked the post thirty different police forced in two thousand seventeen.

That's where the collective punishment has been given as a result of the ring Ruhinge community. And it's not collective collective action. It was individual's action. Certain hundreds of people gathered together and attend police force and and and the

whole rega population has been punished. So then followed by that as well, ours has been free st judging themselves and then so our our Ruhinga solebrity organizations also pop up parallelly back into nineteen and and and of course the the ideology that they stent are slightly different from one another, and so they they they they that's why the clash happened. And and UH ring A Solitary Organization think that uh like the the way that ourselves has

been conducting, and they're responsible. They they for what happened to the Ruhinga people as a collectively, genocides and things I think like that, creating opportunities for Burmese military to to wipe out the Hingen deported through Hinga. And so

they were this political disagreement between these two groups. And this Noman land has been mostly occupied within the Ruhinga refugees there some are some members are often trying to to enter there and and and stations there and so recently, UH the what we have learned from the ground is that our Ringu solidarity organizations UH route out and operations to remove them from there and so that the Ringery within the normal lands could live peacefully without crimes and

things like that. And and that's how the fighters started and and it's escalated and there were two hundred houses being burned on shelters during refugee shelters around two thousand five hundred to three thousand people has been uh has to be displaced. They were not allowed to enter to Bangladesh because normal land is not accessible by neither parties

and and it's it's just in between. So some of them has destroyed the fans toward to Burma and enter to their because they are just from the nearby abilities. They could see their abilities for five years, but they could not go back, so they so they so they went back there. But now my Mamalaty is pushing them out from from their back to the normal lands. Yeah, it's just, yeah, a terrible situation and buildings on the only armed groups that state right there are other round groups.

But this sort of explains it more succinctly, like if we get into the other round groups, it gets even more complicated. And so I wonder what people listening, obviously will they've they've heard a lot about about the conflict in Burma, about the various different groups that are being persecuted by the Burmese military. How can they help specifically with this issue? Is is there ways that people can

can help out? I think we have seen how the world came together to help Ukraine people unjustly illegally to be attacked by by Russia and and threatening the democratic society of the world. And and that has been very inspiring appreciated and and and we stand with the Ukrainian people and people in Burma. Has the life of the value of the life of the people in Burma has also there is no difference in you can buy one,

you know. So we have been the people in Myanmar has been fighting for for UH the cost of life and livelihoods today with whatever means that they have to make this country back to the part of democracy. And and so international community should do beyond releasing the statement or or or of concerned, and a statement of concern maybe maybe may name and shame and may put political pressure and political pressure. UH is not the they thing that being cared by by the by the by the junta.

So the the the total enemy of the overall people, including ning people, other military and and and they're the one who has destroyed this country. And they're beyond who is destroying and they're responsible primarily responsible um people institutions who wiped out through and who carried all the genocide.

So I think the international community should do beyond beyond sanctions um and Ago and and and respective citizens of the country should claim to the real respective government to do more for Purmes people and the Runga people, to demonstrate the moral obligations toward to the humanity. And in twenty century genocides took place while the world was watching, and we set in the United Nations back in nineteen

uh nineteen fifty forty eight that never again. And and it's very shameful that it could that the genocide could take place in the eyes of eight billion people in twenty century and modern age and the world failed to protect the Runga this party. There has been compelling stories, images and satellitteries and and and still it's continued to be so and followed by that crimes against community, war crimes has been being committed continually by the by the

same military that committed genocides. And I think the international community we'll have at some point to answer to themselves on their beliefs of the humanity. Yeah, Like I think the international community, let's happened for too long, and they ignored it for too long, and then now it always happens right Like it's like for coast Boomerang. The violence spreads and gets used in the metropol and it's deeply upsetting. What does that support look like from the international community, Like,

does that mean ah Man pads for PDF? Does it mean recognizing the National Unity Government? Like what concrete things should the community be doing the international communities should recognize there Again, the there are some issues that need to be fixed within the the National Unity Government, particularly the inclusions of the Ruhinga and other like it's it's positions to work to the religious other religious and ethnic minorities, particularly those are small, and that need to be fixed.

And international community should do it in an instant device way that okay, you do this and we will do this for you, and and and the recognitions come with incentive of supporting, uh supporting because it's only legitimate. Whether we like the National Unity Government or not, we don't have the best alternative to it. It's democratically elected. And and there is a lot of issues within the within the within the within the the National Unity Government, particularly

when it's come to the rocking issues. So these need to be dealt in in National Energy Government. I have been consistently advising them to fix this, acting beyond policy and and and and showing like state level prioritized agenda with concrete milestone to to to the change to word

to the rocking UH. And of course, parallel to that, international community should ensure that big supports are being given, being recognized and and and and in order to win these revolutions which has shaken the very institution that has consumed the resource of the country in various means and

ways UH. Some UH and one of the strongest institution has been shaken by the young people UH with very small means that they are very small and time to time, very innovative UH and and and and utilizing whatever means

that they had. An international community should provide support to PIA to be first and foremost institutionalizing and and and and capacity building enhancing acting upon international stent that we are UH way of operating as as a as a military group and and of course when you are being established as an as a military UH institutions UH and it is it's being formed by the by the legal

government of Myanmar. And to support this this this military and many many nations are getting military assistant speckage and and I think international community should have no problem to provide military system package too, of course in a very principles and value based with with the value BASTE approach, and and and and and let's include the technical support to to to set up the mechanisms to heal their contable and to ensure the transparencient accountable across the aspectrum. Yeah. Yeah,

I think that's that's very well said. And they do tend like if people aren't familiar with the way the PDFs have been organized, like they they have been very respectful of like norms and laws of war and things like that, which obviously that the Barmese military have not.

And I think and institutions that a group that has been with hundred hundred prousands of people, young people with no prior military experience and mostly operating in a very limited uh to no resource context and being able to respect the human rights and human dignity should be recognized. You know. There when you you have a gun, and there are there are things that happen and need to

be justified in and and being held accountable for. But I'm saying that I'm not saying that it should be a lot in any any any kind of misconduct within the military systems need to be investigated properly and take actions upon and held accountable those who get these who carried out these actions, and who gave common to carry out this action. But the number of cases related to the to the to the to the to the PDP

has been significantly low. And when when it's come to the to the human right violations and and it has to be zero and even one is too much. But I'm saying compared to UH to UH and and and I think continued support need to be given there in order to to to enhance their capacity to defeat the junta plus to defeat it in the principle and value

based with the principle and value based approach. Yeah, yeah, certainly, the definitely like the people we've spoken to, a terr holy equipped by any modern standards, incredibly brave and innovative. They could certainly do a lot better. They have a lot more. Okay, where can people if people want to follow along with your work, which is very impressive, how can they find you? Do you have like do you want to share your Twitter account or a website? Maybe?

Where can people keep up with you? So? I am on Twitter and Facebook mostly and my tutor is a k MOO two UH and which you can see it's with my pictures and and I have put my bio as well there. And I'm also also very active on the Facebook and what the work related. Most of the work that I do, UH are being not everything, but some part that international community need to know are being

portrayed there. And particularly UH the human rights situations related to the Ruhinga and Rhinga if it is in Bangladesh are being being being shared there in a timely, very timely manner. Sometimes even lives you know, it's have now and being and uh, yeah, yeah, you've been very good at that. And I put your Twitter account and it's very informative and it helps me stay informed. So it's it's a k m o E two if people are searching for it. Thank you so much for giving us

some of your evening. I really really appreciate your time. Is there anything else you want to get to before we finish up now? It's lovely to be part of the program, and thank you so much for helping me. Once again, thank you very much. It could happen here as a production of Cool Zone Media. For more podcasts

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