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It happened here the podcast for the situation continues to worsen. The thing that is worstening today is the rights war an abortion, which they are winning and are continuing to win, is not contained to simply abortion. It has been spreading. It has been getting worse. And yeah, with me to talk about it is Crystal, who once again is an abortion worker and an abortion union organizer and on the on the on the board of a bail fund, not
bail fund Jesus Rist. Sorry, I'm getting my I'm getting my my funds crossed in my mind on the board of a of a of a Jesus Christ.
Yeah, okay, sorry, sorry, I probably shouldn't have said that.
No, no, no, no, this is this is entirely my fault because we've been doing so much bail fund stuff that I mean, they're good. Yeah, it's like when my brain thinks fund, it just goes to it just goes to bail fund. Now all things that are good, Yeah, abortion funds that one, because just leave that and screw it, you know, like it, Well, we'll leave we'll leave me doing that in.
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Guy who said that, Yeah, yeah, Yeah, Crystal, welcome back. Yeah, glad to be talking to you again.
Love suffering. I love talking about pain and suffering and also the good work that we're doing to mitigate it, but also pain and suffering.
Yeah, yeah, so I guess yeah, I think we should start with sort of I don't know what frame me as a contagion is the right way to do it. I think it's probably not. But the way that the sort of the ripple like where where where are the sort of ripples of uh of of the sort of anti portion movements advance have been going.
Yeah, because you know, if we're talking about you know, it's been a year since the jobs decision in Roe v. Way was return. You know, what does that mean? What does that imply? What have would have been the what has been in kind of like the aftermath of that. The one thing is that, you know, the strategies to get to that point worked. And I really hate saying like in terms of like they won or we lost,
because we're all we're in America, we're all losing. We're all losing here except for the fascists, but so we we have We're seeing a lot of bad things happening because of the dab's decision, and that's those strategies worked in our current political environment to get us to that point.
And and I mentioned before you know it's death by a thousand cuts is kind of like one of the ways in which you can describe the strategies like NonStop bands, NonStop restrictions just a constant onslaught basically uh bands that are their copycat legislation and you know they're they're being pumped out. People can just like literally plug in the templates and share them and it can be applied to a number of different things in different states and copycat legislation.
So it worked, and where we're we are because that
strategy worked and did not get enough resistance. Not enough was done to combat that strategy on the left with Democrats, and it immediately spread to the next autonomy based issue because and not saying that it didn't start before that, because you know, these fascists have been going after all kinds of issues of autonomy for decades, abortion being one of them, you know, prison, prison abolition being one of them, and then also trans healthcare and just you know LGBT
in general, but like specifically trans healthcare that we have been seeing we are seeing a lot of the same restrictions and bands uh spreading to that very quickly, like faster than I. I mean, like I knew things were bad, you would think that I would just like, you know,
expect the worst. But like I, I didn't think that we would see the legislation for the anti trans health uh healthcare and gender firming services legislation move as fast as it has, like I should have and I didn't, And it's been incredibly fast, and and it feels so similar and I should I don't even want to say it feels similar. It is. It's when I when I'm seeing it happen, I'm like, this is the same thing. They're using trap laws, which are laws that so uh
target actual providers. I mean, I guess you can't really call them trap laws because abortion providers in that.
Trap thing which not going to get it.
Yeah, abortion services, but yeah, but uh, it's the same like type of of restrictions and bands, and we're seeing them spread to those kinds of health.
Care services, so it's impacting other types of health care services. And it's I and I'm seeing a lot of the same legal back and forth where it's like, oh, this law went into effect, like for example, in Florida, and oh now it's being challenged in court, so it's it's not being it's not enforced right now, so it kind of goes goes back to the way it does before, which I mean, it's always good to see a restriction temporarily paused in a band temporarily paused because that relief
is needed. I see that in abortion care, Like when when there is a band that is temporarily reversed by the courts, it is like, thank, thank god, I'm so happy, you know, we get some relief. We can we can see people for their healthcare services tomorrow. However, that back and forth is incredibly confusing and creates confusion and chaos on a and like on a mass scale, because it's like can I access these services? Can I not accesse these services? Can I get at these services in the
stage where I have to travel out of state? It's more than like the individual can keep up with and confusion is the point. So like when I'm seeing some of these bands related to trans health services, I'm like, Okay, you know, I'm glad that I'm pretty sure I have to admit I have not read the news in the last couple of days. So I don't know if this has been walked back, but it seems like Florida has
some relief right now. But I just know what that mass confusion looks like for individuals, and I'm like, this is so similar. Oh my god, this is this is the same type of fight. This is the same fight.
And I think, you know, because like this is also another thing with the media is just just like active accomplices, Like this, this is a kind of thing where like it is really easy to look at this and go like they're doing this on purpose so they can generate fucking horror stories, which I don't think is why they're doing it. I think they're doing it because they're transphobed.
But you know, like one of the one of the things is very that's just fucking awful about this stuff is that like the the people who are reporting on this don't understand how these laws work, and so you know, like I mean, like I this is my job, right, Like I cover this for a living, and I will read a report about something and I can't tell what the law does because the person writing the fucking there's the stupid ass journalists who they've hired, who like have
never talked to a transperson in their life, and like are only tangentially aware of what the law is, like like the concept of the law is something they were introduced to two years ago. Like they don't fuck they don't fucking know what these bills do, right, so you have to like go actually read the bill. But that doesn't help because you know this this is yeah, this is like, this is I think a very similar strategy of like there's there's this way in which like constant onslaught,
constant sort of confusion, constant terror. And also you know, and the way that the strategy right now that is being sort of relied on the stop this stuff is to the courts that that is very similar to what the entire struggle over abortion biites look like. And you know,
we know how that ended it. It doesn't it didn't work, and it's not going to work with with with transferrts either, and like it, and you know, and I think something that like we're going to see more of as you know, because like water, some of these bands will be struck down, but you know, you're gonna get the abortion thing where it's like Okay, so you like one bag gets struck down, so they pass another one that you just keep passing them until they can find one that their fucking judges
will make.
Yeah, and they like reintroduce bills that are like practically the same thing but like slightly different, and they just like retry stuff after doing like political shenanigans and and and we're still we're still doing the legal back and forth approach. And abortion care like it's still the same thing,
like it hasn't changed. And seeing that also happen, it's like, well, people need health care now, like with abortion care and trans healthcare, it's like you need that healthcare when you need it, like right now, today, tomorrow, and when there is confusion and this bad like the because the courts take forever like it it's and it changes a lot, and it's confusing when you see the news stories like you were saying, So it's interfering and lowering the quality
of accessing like lowering the quality of that healthcare and accessing that health care, like the experience of accessing that health care now like today. And it's it's cumulative because like you you lose the ability to keep track of what you have the right to do and what you don't and and these are these are the same, Like there are issues of controlling your life and your body and of privacy as well, you know, your ability. It's like your business, it's your body, and the state is
getting in the way. And and it hurts so much to this happening to even more people, because it's it's hard enough watching what happens to people who need abortions and seeing what they go through, and then having to see even more people who are also trying to access healthcare to help them have control over their lives and
their bodies. Also having that, you know, having that impeded and and and and taken away from them too with a different type of health care, and seeing like that is just like oh my god, Like not only were we able, we were not able to maintain these services in this country, and we're also seeing it happened to another type of health care. And and another thing too, is like abortion providers are also trans healthcare providers. Like yeah,
it's it's like body stuff. It's like you know, like it's they're they're like often the same building.
Yeah, Like like plant planned parenthood does both. Yeah, runs through planned parenthood.
And a lot of independent clinics to a lot of independent abortion providers also provide trans healthcare as well and gender hormones. Uh, gender hormone, I keep saying gender hormone, even though that doesn't make any.
Sense, But.
Hormone therapy services and gender for me, I feel like I'm like combining those together. But they offer both.
Yeah, but but that also means that like if you if if you knock out a clinic for like for one of the reasons, you've also knocked out the services for everyone else too, write so like it's you know, and I think this is something that's very important about the way the right seas is that the right seas this has the same fight very clearly, and that I don't know, I mean, I think I think in terms of the people who actually do organizing, I think it's
like it's understood that it is the same fight, but I don't think it is as much in the general public.
Even though the like for the people you're fighting against, they are you know, incredibly like viscerally and disturbingly clear about like what they want to do and about the fact that you know, like destroying people's autonomies and using the state to take control of me, just like literally physically take control of their bodies and define what they are, which is something they do like you know, I mean, then this is this is this is the thing that's
been happening in these anti transports too, is like they've been like like legally defining what a woman is by like reproductive apparatuses and stuff like that.
Yeah, and that that's disgusting and and it makes me feel just like disgusted as like just like seeing that because like I feel like I don't even like fit some of the criteria that no as a says woman. I feel like it like and I'm just like, oh
my god. And we're also like we're punishing people for not having like perfect health and like perfect pregnancies and being worn into the body that you know what I mean, Like people are being punished for not being the ideal cause like and I've asked, I've like stupidly asked this out loud, where I'm like, you know, I've asked out loud, like why are these bands so restrictive where people who are pregnant and you know, like they're just not having
a perfect pregnancy, like there are complications like which which happened, and they're like being punished for not having the perfect pregnancy by these laws, like these abortion restrictions, And I'm like why would they do that, Like why like how can you not know that pregnancies go wrong? And how would you not know that? And then somebody said to me they were like, well, you know, like e've was punished with the ability with dangerous pregnancies, like if you
look at their religion, like it was a punishment. So I'm like, yeah, like they're they just believe we should be like punished for not being born in the right body, not having the perfect pregnancy, not wanting a pregnancy, you know, like you're being punished for not and having the ideal because they believe that it is a it's a punishment, just like in I guess I'm trying to think of
the word like naturally intrinsically or something. I don't know, and I don't subscribe to that ideology, but it's being forced on us. Yeah.
Yeah, And I mean I think there's this way in which people have People have this tendency to conceive of like neoliberalism right specifically as this thing that's about like the retreat the retreat of state power. And that's never been what it is, right what like, you know, if you if you look at what neoliberalism actually looks like, it's fucking abortion bands, right, Like the people who are pushing that are the people who push Reagan into office.
The actual point of the state in neoliberalism and this and you know, and this is one that's incredibly compatible with this sort of like with the sort of religious fascists that they allied themselves with in order to come into power. Right, the way that's actually manifested is is just through the state directly taking control of your body. Because you know, like people, people aren't actually fucking natural
market subjects. They're not like a woman is not as as these like stupid assholes always insist is like, oh, someone who gives birth, Like no, it's just like not true, it's not true. It's not and so and because it's not right with people, because that's the image that they have to like force you into. The only way they can do that is by using state ails to physically take control of your body and shape you into the thing that they think you are.
Yep, yep. And and they're like, none of this stuff is siloed like you know, like pregnancy is related to abortion, care is related to just like trans care is like embedded in all of that as well. Uh, trans people get pregnant and have abortions. And also in terms of hormone therapy more like you know, like people besides trans
people need hormone therapy as well. Like like none of these things are a silo by themselves, like they're all kind of embedded together, and the effect of that is that it's kind of become impossible to be a doctor and a healthcare provider for a lot of these services because they're so entwined and because like you know, we all we have our bodies, and like our our bodies aren't in separate like can take our body parts, aren't
in separate containers. Like they're all like we're like all connected, Like it's all connected, and you can't really have one without the other. And now we're seeing doctors who can't safely do there what they have to do, like provide like the health careacter to like appropriate medical standards within these laws that exist. So you see doctors who are like, wow, I can't actually perform the health care that I need to perform without potentially losing my license. So I'm just
going to leave the state. So you see a lot of doctors. Uh, there's been a lot of news stories about doctors, particularly the ones that I've seen. I'm sure that there's other types of doctors too, but like you know, obstetricians and obgi ns who are leaving states because they cannot safely practice the medicine as it's as you know, as sign and medicine wants them to, you know that without risking losing their license. So they're just leaving. And
these are states that need those doctors. I mean, there's a lot that can be said about maternal and infomortality rates in the United States. So the fact that you have obgi ns like fleeing states, and I'm sure these are states that need those doctors and have low standard like low or have just like low quality outcomes or like bad outcomes when it comes to maternal and infomortality.
And you're seeing this and it's like, well, this is just making all kinds of health care worse, Like it's becoming less safe to just be pregnant in general, even if you are caring and delivering a pregnancy in these states and I'm sure that you're going to see this also happen because of these trans healthcare bands. It's that you're going to see doctors fleeing in areas in which those doctors are needed because they are risk of losing their license and not being able to practice.
And another thing I think that's very similar between these
two things. It's like there's just not that you know, we've we've talked about this more broadly, like in a lot of the and in a lot of the comforts are like I've done on the show about labor stuff, my healthcare labor is that like just everywhere, even even in even in sectors where like there's no there's no sort of legal threat, right, there's they're just massive labor shortages because these these these for profit healthcare companies are
you know, don't want to fucking bring in another person on a shift because that costing more money and that's less money than they can pocket, and you know, and yeah, and and and and but and both both abortion services and trans healthcare are fields. I mean, there are just there's just not that many people. Like they're just like the the the numbers are so small that like like I can I can ask my friends, and they know, like every provider in the city yep, oh yeah.
And it's like two providers, yeah, like abortion providers, like two places to get hormones.
It's like and and and again this isn't plan Like I live in Chicago, right, this is a place where it's like it's pretty easy to get hormones, right, compared to I mean, this is this is like one yeah, well but I mean like genuiney like this is a this is the thing we you know, this is like if you want to get like look at other parallels, right, this is like Chicago has always been i mean not always, but for i mean like half a century, probably longer
than that, has been a place where people like trans people from around the country, particularly from the South, have like upwroarded their lives and fled to because it was a place where you could actually get.
Care and you know.
But like but even here, it's fucking hard as ship.
Like yeah, it's really hard, and you know, and and a lot like the like like my one of one of the local clinics has been on strike for months and months and months because they're the place that they work for, like slashed a bunch of services and so and this like this this this kind of struggle is you know, like this is this is the thing that's happening in places where it's even where it's legal, and then suddenly the state bans it, and suddenly, you know,
people are leaving the field, people are leaving states. Becomes even harder the services that already exist just even more over tax It's just like it's the exact same like collapse, just like rippling through the entire sector.
And none of these jobs pay a lot either, Like yeah, like I just in general, like I'm sure, like I'm not citing a specific job, but I'm sure that there are abortion providers like who are like medical assistants and hormone therapy like medical assistants that are making like fifteen bucks an hour, which is ridiculous considering you're also being
threatened with violence. You're also having to deal with patients who who are also experiencing the same national health crisis that you are, Like you're experiencing it together, Like this is something like it's not like, oh, I'm suffering by myself as a worker, or oh, these patients are suffering as individual I mean they are suffering into visual but you know, like they're suffering alone as individuals, they're experiencing like the same sort of like grief is like a
lot of the other people who are accessing the same services as them. And it's like while we are all in this sinking boat together and and it's so hard to recruit into these roles, so like we need more more abortion care and trans health providers, and it's hard to get people to commit to that when you you can't live on that and you can't sustain that, like you can't stay in that job and keep doing it for years when you're literally being like you're you're you're
being traumatized, you're experiencing suffering, You're witnessing suffering because I'm killed.
Like that that happens to me and threatened, yeah, like.
Just like like violent threats are something that both types of health services have in common now, which is so depressing. But uh, it's we're all we're all being threatened by by the right and by fascists. Like I try to like sometimes it's like the right conservatives, I'm like, they're fascists, They're they're it's fascism.
There's literally like a lot of these people like to show up to this stuff.
It's it's like it's literally the same groups a proud boys who show up to like different things over and over.
Again, and they get relabeled by the.
Media as like concerned parents or like the Christian outreach groups, depending on like what thing they're at, and it's like, okay, these no, like these are fascists who tried to overthrow the governments and seize power, like this is this this is three years ago, Like come on.
Yeah, it's like these are people who are actively they are ruining the lives of my loved ones and people in my community, like my neighbors, Like they are ruining my and my neighbors' lives like actively in ways that are just getting worse. So it is one fight. I really want everyone to realize that. I feel like it
is being realized more and more now. But you know, the more people who learn it, the better and the ways in which just I just feel like the Jobs decision and the overturn of Robi Wade meant more than just people couldn't get abortions. I think it's just the destruction of healthcare in general in this country, and it was it turned it into like just like a mad dash to do the exact same thing to health services that trans people need. Yeah, so fun.
Another one of the parts of this fight, and I think the part of this fight that is the least popular in terms of like who will actually back you, which is both like healthcare workers both doing abortion care and who during trans healthcare fighting what is essentially like a three way war where they are they are under assault from the right and from the state who are trying to criminalize the health care that they provide and you know, directly target them through trap laws and through
that I don't we need to figure out what their name for the version of the anti translots, but you know, so they're being specifically targeted by the state, and then they're also fighting a conflict with their own employers and whether that's whether that's private healthcare providers or that's NGOs who are you know, don't want to pay them shit.
You know, our funnel are funneling all of this fucking money into paying somebody's fucking dipshit cousin like three hundred thousand dollars a year to be like the vice executive director of like policy marketing or something.
And yeah, and and.
The way, the way in which you know this this is this has turned into a union struggle that is deeply like it kind of in a lot of ways, deeply unpopular among liberals because they just don't they don't see like healthcare providers as workers.
Yeah. It it has been such a strange experience union organizing and and and contract negotiating during a national health crisis. And after the fall of Ruby Wait it was so like, you know, Ruby Waight is overturned and we got to go to the barging table and that's where money and it's it's it's definitely it's it's it's really hard because the stress is so compounded for all of the workers.
And I know I've had uh peers in the community and in the abortion providing abortion advocacy community say things like, you know, you expect a snake to be a snake, Like you know that the right is going to attack you and the fascists are going to do whatever they can to take away your right to autonomy and privacy. But it hurts a lot more Like personally, I think
it hurts so much more. And it's been so painful in the last year to see the ways in which the people on our side, the people who have the same goals as us, ultimately like of like, you know, we want people to have abortions and we want people to access health care, and they are to have them hurt you yeah, because yeah, because like they're not supposed to be snakes, and it hurts. It hurts a lot more.
And a lot of the same people, don't. I feel like they're the same kind of folks who didn't understand the immediacy of needing to protect because so you know, LGBT, I feel like we should have gone harder for the tea, you know, like all these like how long has we have we had the acronym LGBT and like, and it's like this whole time, it's like we like we could
have seen this coming. We shouldn't. It was like it clearly was like the same with Roe v WA, where it's like they are coming for rov Wade, this is coming. We could have done so much more to prepare. And I feel like in the a lot of the same way, the same people who are like devaluing the labor who didn't do enough to protect abortion services are the same people who didn't do enough to protect just like trans people in general.
Yeah, and I think there's like there's I think there's definitely a sort of expendability thing there too, right, I mean this is something that it's like very explicitly in the two thousands, like the sort of I don't I don't know what the technical term for them is, but like big gay, like you know, the big big abortion
and big gay. Yeah, well the big the big sort of like LGBTQ like NGOs, right, you're like human rights campaign like groups like that very explicitly made a decision in the two thousands where they were like, Okay, we're gonna drop our demands for stuff like trans healthcare and trans recognition in order to sort of build a broader
base to get like gay marriage and shit. And that that was a very supos decision that they made, and you know, and it worked for them, right, Like yeah, like we got gay marriage, right.
Well we didn't. Well we didn't.
Actually we got through the fucking courts, not through like the legal process, right, and it took ages too, but like yeah, but like that was you know, and like they they eventually sort of came back around them, were like, we're trans allies, but then you know, all of the
shit was happening. I mean, so this has been going on since like twenty like twenty sixteen, right is like the first like the first bathroom bills start, and you know, I mean it was over half a decade where things could have been done and they just weren't.
And you know, like it's it's the it's the same thing, like.
Like people just get used as like like people's health just gets in their body get used as bargaining chips. Yep.
And I feel like in these all of these situations that we're talking about, it it's not looking out for the most vulnerable. Because so if you're talking about you know, healthcare and I don't want to say women's rights, I mean it used to be women's rights, and then now it's just like you know, like abortion access and you're not looking like who needs this the most, and you're
not looking out for the most vulnerable. And part of that part of it in terms of abortion services is the compromising, you know, compromising on bands like oh, a fifteen week abortion ban is reasonable. No, it's not. No abortion of ban is reasonable. But so that's what abortion services. And then with with the fight for queer liberation. You know, who's the most vulnerable? Will trans people have been the
most vulnerable and not looking out for them? And then the frontline workers, Like, who's the most vulnerable when it comes to people doing this work providing these services, The frontline workers, the people who don't who don't make much who you know, the people who a aren't managers or CEOs and I mean, like you know, senior management and CEOs and things like that, are They're in different situations than the people who are answering the phone and scheduling
and talking to the patients and taking their blood pressure and giving them their medication. And yeah, it's just not looking out for the people in the most vulnerable situations. It's killing us. It's literally killing us.
You have to.
It's just so much focus on the wrong things when we really should be focused on the most vulnerable all around.
And I think also like the extent to which all of these struggles are labor struggles, right, I mean, this is one of the things about trans healthcare as we've talked about them that much, is that, like I think this is sort of a product of like the kinds of trans people who get representation, but you know, like I think there's a lot of people who think that, like the average trans person is like a fucking tech worker in California, And it's like no, like the like
the the the the the actual like median trans person like works at a works at a EPs warehouse or you know, it's like a vet tech or like you know, does all of this ship that you know works like just really shitty service jobs and like you know the stuff for like like i mean struggles like we're not even having because we're we've been like kicked all the way back down to like can.
We legally exist?
But like you know, things like like people getting housing right like that that kind of stuff like those are labor struggles.
The struggle for abortion.
Is is also labor struggle because like again, like you can't fucking have abortions without workers who do the abortions. Like they don't, they don't just magically spring fully formed from like the mind of an ngo.
Like and also like I mean, you need you need labor protections in order to access healthcare. It's just a fact, yeah, like you know, because that's just yet another obstacle that patients are experiencing. Is getting off work like yeah, you got kids and you got to like fly to like across the country to access healthcare services, and you got to recover from those healthcare services, and it's like you gotta have PTO and like how many people don't have that?
Yeah?
And it works the other way too, right, where like like this is the thing we've been seeing with Starbucks, We've been seeing as at Google too. People trying to unionize is like having healthcare is a is a thing that your your work uses and like hangs over your head like to control you. And this has been an explicit thing. Like Starbucks specifically did this thing where they're like, well, if you try to unionize, like we can't guarantee you're gonna have like we're gonna like get ready of your
trans healthcare. Oh jesus yeah, and like you know and like this kind of like you know that that's like like them just like dropping the mask and saying the quiet part loud, but like you know, like people's people's access to healthcare is an enormous union busting tactic.
So it's like it's literally just like on.
Both sides of the struggle, like it is it is. It is just at all levels a labor struggle and it's not thought of like that.
Yeah, and again, like I know, I brought up silos before in terms of like types of healthcare, but the same silos. It's kind of like a liberal it's like liberal siloing where you're separating the issues and you can't. They're all connected. Abortion care, pregnancy care, raising your families, police violence, prison abolition, trans healthcare, labor rights, unionizing, They're all connected, and we don't connect the dots enough. I think in this country, at least the people who have
power don't. And I think the separation of these issues has has really hurt us. And we're stronger together, you know, safety and solidarity and all that. So if every abortion care worker and abortion volunteer, abortion advocate, and you know, queer liberation advocate, trans health advocate, just transliberation advocate, union organizer, no or union member, even if you're like working for if you're a plumber, you know, if we all can identify that we have are it's all one fight and
it's all connected, will be better off for it. So yeah, if we can.
Yeah, and I think something that's also is really important is that, like I mean, this is historically like you know, if you want to look at how working classicivements are defeated, it's you pick people off by finding something that you know, like, for example, like like one of one of the ways you can sort of beat a worker's to amit is by like that movement not dealing with the sort of
rapid patriarchy and the movements. And you know, you can radicalize people to the right by just sort of like by like doing sort of misogyist politics, or you can do the thing that like the you know, this is this is the sort of the Christian democratic strategy in uh, like in Europe was you know, they they they recognized that the workers groupments like weren't really like organizing women in any substantive way, and so they you know, they were able to create this massive sort of anti communist
like like center right bulwark against like organized labor by like actually organizing women, right, and you know, and this is this is something that they sort of do everywhere, which is like yeah, like if if if if you, if you aren't fighting all of these things at the same time and conceptualizing you at the same time, like you will get you will get picked apart one by one in your individual struggle and the movement will collapse and die and that's really hard, and you know, like
the deck has been stacked against us, but that that's that's the cards that we have, and yeah, we have to deal with them.
And to to like be a little bit to look more like on the positive side, because like you know, it's like, yeah, we we've had our ass is kicked and we've lost so much. We have lost so much, We've lost so many of our basic human rights in
this country. But like abortions are still happening, and TRANSHLTH is still being provided, and there are communities looking out for people who are in need of these services and in need of safety because like it's not just about the basic health services, but you know, you have to be safe. Well, you know, if you're pregnant and you need health care, you want to be safe. And then also if you're like a trans individual and you don't
feel safe, it's helpful to have those organizations there. Yeah, exactly, that's totally what I have in mind. And on the right side, like that is like those are still being like the healthcare is still being provided even if it has been decimated and people are having to move mountains in order to get there. You know, abortions are happening, and every day where I'm still doing I'm still getting
people abortions. There are workers who are helping people get the health care that they need, the hormones that they need, and there are people like you know, teaching defense and security and working together. And we need to continue to do this because I you know, I am really angry and I am really just fucked in the head now because of everything that I've experienced and had to witness, and it's soul crushing, but I just keep doing it
because that it just needs to happen like this. People need this health care, people need this information, people need to be connected safety and solidarity, and I just you know, we have to keep going, like you know, so we have to defend the workers providing these services. We have to defend people accessing these services, whether it's abortion or trans health, and we need to just keep doing it
no matter how awful we feel. And you know, this has been an incredibly hard year and I have had conversations that I never would have wanted to have ever and that are hard to carry with me. And I'm going to carry these conversations. You know, these memories are like in my head now and that I have them for the rest of my life maybe, and they're they're
in my head, you know, they're there. I've it's happened, and I'm just really grateful for the other people doing this work and that they're there and that I'm not the only one feeling this way, and that we have each other's backs, and that we we do have the same fight, Like knowing that we have the same fight, I'm like, you know that solidarity means means everything right now,
because it's more than just like winning or losing. Like, yeah, we've we've lost a lot, and we're continuing to lose a lot, but we're all still here and we all still need we still need like care, We need to just take care of ourselves and each other still. So
I'm going to keep doing this work. I know that other people are going to keep doing this work, and I know that there will always be help available, whether you know, finding it is one thing, but I know that it will always be there, and I try to take solace in that because this is this is a collective trauma that our generation is going to see out for the rest of our lives, and it's going to bleed into the next generation. And there's a lot I hope for, you know, before I die, there's a lot
I hope to see. So I hope that I see it to end. This is not a positive note because I know at the very beginning, I know, like when we first started talking Mia, I saw we wanted to end in a positive note. So that involves me sharing like the thing that cheers me up the most and that like pushes all the right buttons for me. But there have been some good things in terms of like abortion access in the last six months, so I want to share that it all starts. It starts with Partners Clinic.
They Partner's Clinic is an ull trimester clinic in in Maryland and they opened this year and they were doing fundraising and first of all, they're amazing. They're an amazing team of workers, amazing abortion providers. I love Partners Clinic there. I just I could not, I cannot praise them enough. And they they were fundraising to open their clinic and have everything that they need and you know, you know,
have money for staff and everything. And it was picked up by prison culture more commonly that's like her online handle. A lot of people like know her as prison Culture, but Maryamikaba and she started fundraising for them, and she was able to help so much that they surpassed their goal and they opened. And now we have another all trimester abortion clinic in the United States, staffed by the
most compassionate, amazing, hardworking individuals. And that cheered me up so much because I obviously love maryam Akaba and and prison abolition. I know, I'm a prison abolitionist, so seeing her like seeing her see how the issues are connected that they're like that, you know, they go together, and organizing for that on top of the work that she is already doing for abolition, I was just like so
happy to see that. And on the topic of all trimester abortion clinics, there is another one opening up as well, and this cheers me up immensely as well. They are called the Valley Abortion Group. They're not open yet, they're currently fundraising. I could probably send you the link to post. Maybe Yeah, so they're not open yet, but you know they're getting there. And they're called the Value Abortion Group.
They're gonna be another ultrimester clinic and they're going to be located in New Mexico, and they're I just want to point out that their acronym is VAGE, which I just I think is really important to point out. Hell yeah, So you know, we saw partners open and that was amazing, and now we're going to have another one opening up
and that's amazing. So, you know, love and support for Value Abortion Group because honestly, the more we need a abortion clinics period, like we need more of them, but especially all trimester, especially now that these bands have been pushing people further and further along into the pregnancy before they can access these services. It's so important for them
to exist. And on this topic, I also want to bring up that, you know, there are stories out there of people who it takes them six months to get an abortion appointment. Six months christ I just want to bring that up because that's happening. Because I know that I've said like five weeks a lot while we're talking, but like it takes some people six months. So it's really important for these ultramester abortion clinics to exist and for us and the communities that we're part of to
welcome them with open arms and like big love. And also on the same topic of good news, things that cheer me up, prison abolition, abortion access, all of these good good topics. Prison culture. Mary Macaba is now fundraising for another abortion practical support group, and I have to mention this up because mention this because this fundraising is happening right now. So if you go to prison Cultures Twitter,
she's like fundraising for it every single day. But she is fundraising for the Online Abortion Resource Squad, So Online Abortion Resource Squad or OARS for short. What they are is they are entirely volunteer organization, which is why they need to pay them for their labor. This is really important work that Daily Monitors moderates and provides quality posts on Our abortion was our slash abortion? How should I
read that? So basically our slash abortion. So the reddit the subreddit for just abortion on Reddit, which I think that like when I immediately say that, some people might
not realize how important that is. But as these bands have just spread and gotten worse and the abortion access deserts have widened, it is so important for people to be able to access quality information, and a lot of people go to Reddit, Like so many people go to Reddit to find out information, So like the Daily page hits for our slash Abortion is just up and up
and up and up. And there's a group of volunteers that you know, like don'tate their their their hours, their free time, you know, their energy to give people the answers that they're looking for and to like walk them through a process. Because a lot of people, you know, they want to help, so they post links. So they're like, oh, you you're in a band state and you can't access services, so they just post a link to I don't know,
like aid access. But it's more than it's not that easy, Like you can't just like give somebody a link to aid access and be like here's your abortion. No, Like you need to ask questions, You need somebody to assist you, follow up questions if something doesn't work, like oh my god, the payment's not working, like you need help? And or is the Online Abortion Resource Squad. They go into our Abortion every single day and they make sure that people
get help. And they've been doing this labor for free, and now prison culture is helping them basically get them, get them paid, get them money, get them, get them make it so that way they can do that, like you know, they don't have to you know, find different options for employment. You know, they don't have to struggle to get by, like they there's money sustaining them, so that way they can make sure that people have their
questions answered all day and that is so important. Like I just like, I just I never thought, like if you had asked me, like like seven years ago, if I thought people posting on Reddit would be life saving, I would have totally like just not taken that seriously.
But now I'm like, I'm like, oh my god, people are flocking to Reddit every day just try to find out how to get an abortion, and there are people volunteering their time to get them quality answers and make sure that they get the care that they're looking for. And I love that. I love that an abolitionist, like a prison abolition police in prison abolitionists, has identified that this is a significant need that people in these different communities that are typically like a little bit siloed are
supporting each other's causes. I think that abolition and abortion go hand in hand. And this just cheers me up immensely. And the fact that like there are resource hubs online that are that are like that are coming to bat you know, like, oh, this horrible thing has happened, Roe v. Wade has been overturned, and what are we going to do?
And it's like, well, go go answer people's questions on Reddit, and yeah, So I wanted to share that because I said a lot of sad stuff about how horrifying and traumatic and this all is and how there's so much human suffering. So it's just because of that, I just I also wanted to to take time to say, like, hey,
there are people making sure that people get care. There are amazing people, you know, working to get people paid and get people funding and make it so that way this work is sustainable, because like, sustainability is its own thing, Like yeah, who, Like it is hard to fight against fascism, Like it's we're being we're having our are basic human rights violated on a daily basis, and we are being dehumanized, and that is incredibly difficult to fight constantly on top
of having to pay your bills and you know, like deal with whatever the heck's going on in your life. So I'm just like, I'm really grateful for Mary Micaba and everyone who has helped her. I'm really grateful for partners and Value Abortion Group Badge and I am really grateful for the Online Abortion Resource squad Ors and all
of their amazing volunteers. And I hope that like, if somebody is feeling helpless and and like feeling like they don't know what to do in these really scary times, they can look toward like look to these examples and be like, well, I can provide good information to people. I can share donation opportunities or donate myself, and I can uplift this stuff and recognize how valuable even posting online can be sometimes because I posting online usually not
a good thing. But you know, if you are helping somebody get healthcare and you're utilizing like, you know, a popular platform to spread that information, you're doing a great job and you deserve all the shout outs. So yeah, so yeah, those are some really those that's what's cheering me up in the year twenty twenty three. As I approach like June twenty fourth, the anniversary, I'm like, oh my god, everything's really awful, But this is what's cheering me up.
So yeah, I don't know, well, okay, I guess I do know why this is spontaneously leapt to my head.
But the thing that I the thing that.
I always think about is the there's a Zappatista slogan that goes to pot of lives, the struggle continues, And yeah, I mean I don't have anything else.
It's you know, but I mean that struggle. Look like the thing.
About this right, like there there's a reason that it's a like they have to spend all of this effort on it because there is actually a struggle. And the fact that they have to they spend so much effort, so much resources, so much of their time, and so much of their power on this, like is also proof of their weakness. That this is not something that they can do just sort of neutrally right, and it's it's something that can be stopped and can be rolled back.
And yeah, I mean the the fact that it is a struggle like it in and of itself like implies that they're wrong in in and of itself, demonstrates that we are also still fighting, and we are going to continue fighting and one day we are going to beat these fuckers.
Yep, I believe it. I mean, like, yeah, I'm like talking openly and honestly about the toll of the human suffering, but I believe that we can stop this if we if we keep going, and I I hope I see that in my lifetime. And I uh, and I think
it's it's a sada shakuri. I think where is where there's oppression, there is resistance that that that makes me feel better, you know, like because which ah, God, God, just like I know is speaking of liberals, there's I just don't understand the take where it's like, oh, these red states are getting what they deserve, Texas is getting what the deserves, Florida is getting with what they deserve, and it's like no, like they they're being oppressed and
they are fighting their oppression. And I love people in those states and I love the people fighting, and I I just I don't know how you can look at that and not be filled with like love and awe, just like in the way that I'm filled with like love and awe when I see like how hard people are working to navigate these barriers and to access the health care that they need, Like I'm just like you are being so brave, you are You're so strong to do this, and like not everyone is seeing it, you know,
because like these are like you know, private like journeys to get healthcare. But like I'm seeing it and I'm like, God, these people are so amazing and people are fighting so hard and they are continuing to struggle and they're not giving I mean, some people are giving up because like the state is like forcing it on them, but like
a lot of people aren't giving up. And I am I'm constantly in awe about that because yeah, yeah, it's a lot of witnessing human suffering and people suffer, but also it's witnessing a lot of people be really strong and really fight and for what they deserve. And I'm so glad I get to witness that too, even though I wish, you know, I didn't have to see all the suffering, but you know, I'm really grateful to see
the struggle too. I love human beings and I'm just we're awesome, Like we I mean, a lot of us aren't, but the rest of us are ores putting up a good fight. So I think we can win. I think we can win.
Yeah. Yeah, So, I know we've talked about a few links. Do you have anything else that any other links that you want to talk about to send people to? So, yeah, Jesus Christ, do you have anything else you want to send people to so that they can help support the struggles that are going on.
I don't think I have any additional ones I want to give right now. I think that the ones that I've brought up like deserve all of the attention right now. So I'm just gonna like say him again. So I know previously I mentioned the Texas Equal Access Fund the T Fund, and Texas is doing a lot right now, and honestly, the other Texas funds are two that was just like the one that I see the most. Chicago
Abortion Fund is doing amazing work right now. Partners Clinic, which is located in Maryland, like shout out to their team. I love them so much. They are they they are like the light in the darkness right now. Valley Abortion Group Badge, which will hopefully be opening I don't know when they're opening, but I'm looking forward to them opening
so much in New Mexico. And and then the online Abortion Resource squad Ors the Saints of our slash Abortion Like, I just I want to like shout them out with this like platform that I have right now, So Google all them, check them out, click the links, and then of course, you know again your local abortion Fund, like it just just don't get tired of hearing donate to your local bortion fun just like say it again, just like right on the back of your eyeballs. It's that.
That's that's what we getting. That's what's getting people healthcare right now, people who can't wait. So yeah, I just like uplifting all those things again, Like I'm sure like there are there are a lot of amazing groups doing work. I could probably like take like an hour listing all of them, but uh like right now, those are the ones where I'm like, hell, yeah, this is amazing.
So yeah, yeah, thank you, thank you again so much for for coming and talking with us about this.
Yeah. I love talking about all of the pain and suffering. And you know, catch me outside screaming at the sky and shaking my fist and drinking a lot of mimosas. Yeah, in the next couple of weeks. This is a rough This is a rough month. This is a rough month. I'm not happy to be here, but I'm happy about some things. Just this is not It's been a hard year. It's been a really hard year. But I'm happy to be on this podcast.
Yeah, and I hope all of you in literally whatever way you can, like do something to make this better, because we all owe it to each other, and we owe it to everyone who has to live under the system that you know, like hasn't built in our name to do something and not to just sort of sit back and let this just let the engine to suffering keep rolling over more people.
And even small things are valuable too. I feel like a lot I've known a lot of people who are like, you know, like, oh, you know, I got a lot going on and I can't I don't know how to. I just can't help that much. And it's like even the little things you do are meaningful, Like even like ten dollars is like like somebody who's traveling's lunch, you know, Like that's a big deal. So don't don't undersell the
little things that you can do. Even little things are really meaningful right now, Like what you have the capacity for, no one's gonna I'm not gonna shake a stick at it. I think any contribution is incredibly valuable, no matter how small.
So unless you're rich, yeah, unless you're rich, which can Unless.
You're rich, then what are you doing? Like why there are some people I'm like, why are they like, oh oh oh, while I'm here, while I'm actually speaking of rich while I'm on a podcast, and we can talk about things like people who can help, like I'm thinking about like Taylor Swift right now, Like Taylor Swift can probably donate so much money to abortion funds right because, like she's touring right now and she's used to having all these concerts and various parts of the world, and
those hotel prices are going up like crazy. So, like I know that she had a concert in Chicago recently, and there the Chicago Abortion Fund was like trying to book hotels for traveling abortion patients. So patients who are traveling from band States to get abortion services in Chicago, and they were paying like way more for the hotel hotel costs because of the local Taylor Swift concert. And it's like, Taylor Swift, donate to abortion funds. What are
you doing? You're driving up hotel prices for patients. What do you donate? Donate to abortion Funds, Taylor Swift. So that's what I just wanted to add that or any artists who's driving up hotel prices, Come on, people need health care. What are you doing?
Wonderful system that we live in, a wonderful opportunity in this generation to make it not be like that, I know, right, like.
I was having to ask, but.
Yeah, yeah, so I guess that's my that's my closing message, to go out into the world and make the world not fucking like this.
Yeah, yeah, can we not?
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