Q&A Part 2

get some horrible illness. And if we said to the hospitals, well the cycle, this is the only like the cycle. My hope for both of them is that they find out that each has an obscure disease that can only be cured by piping ship from the other into them, And so they just hook them up via a tube and they're just sucking poop out of each of them and putting it into the other person. That would be very funny. Hot All right, what's our first question? Our

first question? So this was specifically addressed to Chris, so Chris you can answer first, But I think this is a question for for everyone. Really, what is your favorite piece of history that you haven't been able to talk about yet on the show that isn't deserving of a whole episode, favorite piece of I mean, we ain't talked about the Zapatista as yet because I don't I don't yet feel comfortable, uh with with my level of knowledge there.

But it's definitely history that's extremely relevant to the kind of ship we talked about on the show. Have I talked about the water and gas wars and Bolivia on the show? We've talked about that at all? Either? Yeah, I mean althought. I mean that that probably is deserving

of its own episode. But absolutely a bunch of people just literally like blocking every road in the entire country and starving out the ruling class because they can't like import food into the city because they've blocked every single road. Extremely cool, I guess in terms of like really short, not deserving of its own episode, I don't know either, because I've I've been able to elongate all my periods into episodes. Yeah, I don't know that there's anything we

wouldn't cover. There's certainly things we haven't covered yet for a variety of reasons. Often just like I don't feel like we've had the time to do. There's a lot of work. Yeah, it's like why why haven't why haven't we done a Mao episodes like do you know how much ship that motherfucker got in his life? I have been like mentally like psychologically preparing myself to start working on mat like this is a ah, that's that Actually, no, it's the Mango Colts. It's definitely the Mango Colts. Did

you did you did you know about this? No? The Mango Colts. Yeah, okay, So so Mao got like I forget who was I want to say it was the Prime Minister of Pakistan some something like dignitary like gave him a man. This is this is like this is the beginning of the cultural revolution. Somebody gives him a mango and he like hands this mango off to like a red mango and like they like like this this turns into like a cult. Like people like they take this mango, they like preserve it. It's it's like they

have they have like a shrine to the mango. And like like there's this whole cult apparatus like builds up around just people getting mangoes as like tokens of Mao's favors. This just like this this massive things that is this

This this spreads like wildfire. It's like people are doing this in like the far western reaches of China where like like in places where like there's like like one of things culture with Like there there are places in China where like civil wars breakout and it takes people like a week to like send representatives like across China to go like talk to the Central Committee to argue their case. And like even in those places they have mango cults and it is it is wild. The culture

revolution is a is a it is a time. It is. Well, I know what I'm getting everyone for Christmas this year. They're my favorite fruit. Like, well, we'll see if the species survives this next summer. Oh we will, Yeah, we'll just be growing. So just be growing in Siberia. Mangoes sprouting from the corpses of fucking antelope. That is beautiful. Um, I can't think of anything. Next question, okay, uh speaking

of history, I like this one. If you could fight anyone in history, wait for it and lose, who would you fight? And why who would I fight and lose and lose? Like you still get like a few good hits in or something, but you'd lose, David Bowie because it would be hot. Next question other people could answer I guess no. I think that's a good that's the perfect Yeah. I would happily be hit by David Bowie, so sure, why not there? Yeah, And I know that

David Bowie really loved to hit teenagers. I would be totally hitting. In the other sense, I would be fine with anything. I don't care when it comes to Bowie. Wow, that's problematic. Problematic. Uh huh. We got a few questions about the ethics of leaving the United States as things get worse. Okay, that's one. Yeah, And this is something that I know we've talked about. You've got that get out of America and I see. That's the thing is that, like I already have my Canadian passport, so that is

something that I can do at any time. And that's something that I probably will do at some point, because one I can see myself in my theorties and forties, living in Canada will be a lot easier in a lot of ways in terms of like how much money it will cost for me to live and pay certain things, Like living in Canada at a certain point will just make a lot more sense for me. So yeah, I probably will move up. Um. And I also know that getting past Canadian border patrol. Not that hard in terms

of other people wanting to go legally or illegally. That's it is actually pretty easy to get to get up there. Um, if you want to do it legally, that's definitely a lot a lot more work, but also not impossible. Um yeah, I think. I mean, like it's important to know that, like moving to somewhere else is not escaping the effects, because the effects are going to reach everywhere, but it

can have a lot of advantages, um, especially kids. Yeah, So I I say moving up is or moving away from the States is a decent thing for a lot of people. I don't feel the need to stay and fight for something that I don't really care about what's in the first place anyway, UM, So sure do what may because you happy in the time that you have alive. I feel like that's a that says as ethical as you need to get Yeah, I don't think anyone has a responsibility to like stay in uh fight to the

death uh in in a collapsing country. Um As as a general rule, I'm very sympathetic towards refugees, And that's kind of what you would be if you're talking about fleeing the United States because you're it's in the process of falling apart, and things are you suspect a lot about to get a lot more violent, especially if you

have again, like a family kids. Um I I had options to do that that I've I've chosen at this point not to UM, not to pursue UM, but UH, I get white people would and as a general rule, like I spent I spent once when I was UM in UH in Bosnia and Serbia talking to survivors of the genocide there in the nineties. UM. I took a train ride UM from Sarajevo to like a little town

near Strabernitza and Uh. During the train ride, I wound up like hanging out with this dude who had been born and raised in Yugoslavia and had been living in Canada since the Civil War, and he, like very through in his kind of broken English, explained like, yeah, when the war broke out, all of my friends, all of these other young guys I knew, were like, well, you know, we're gonna fight, We're gonna fight, And I said no, no, no, no no. Went to Canada and this is the first

time I've been back and that was the smart thing to do. Um, So I'm not I mean, if you can get the if you can get out and find a place that's safer, as Garrison said, like there's there's nothing I think that inherently behooves you to spend your uh limited time on this planet struggling, and especially if you've got a family, like doing what you can to put them in a safer position is great. That said, none of it's a permanent or even necessarily a long

term solution. Like idea of moving to Canada has a lot of appeal, but like if you think that Canada is going to keep being what would a lot of Americans see it as as the United States collapses into like fascism. I don't know how realistic a proposition that

really is. And it's the same for a lot of places, Like all of these problems are global problems, and moving geographically unless you're wealthy enough to move to like some fortified compound protected by contractors in a place that is actually insulated from climate change to a significant extent, um is not the does not bring the degree of security you might expect. Um, I do think there is. I do think it is generally speaking, a noble and positive thing, uh to to to stay and try to make things

better where you are. But um, you know, I think everybody, I think everyone. I think every like single person, whether they admit it or not, would leave at a certain point if they possibly could. Um, And I don't think anyone is. I don't think anyone owes it to the world to like, uh die in a place that they hate just because um, that's where they were born and we're bad. Okay, what tool besides bolt cutters should we all own in a collapse situation? First of all, bolt cutters,

that should not be your first picture to for a tool. No, No, it should be an angle grinder with a diamond blade. No. Even like water filters gotten me out of a number of types water filtration systems. There's a starters, like, there's a lot of there's a lot of stuff if not even's not water filtration, you can get tablets or honestly, like you can have a little hand pump filter and water purification tablets along with a little you know, there's a number of things that are that should be in

a go bag away. You do get some amount of of already clean water in a way to get more clean water, enough food to at least deal with three to five days. Um, some rope. UM. A good knife multi tool is even better in most situations if you have if you don't mind the weight, a belt knife and a multi tool would be great. Or a multi tool in a little hand axe, which depending on where you live, might be more useful in splitting wood. A good fire starter. UM. Some amount of rubbing alcohol, which

is always a handy thing to have on hand. UM. Either maps or you know, batteries for an electronic device that might be able to act as a map. Um. Yeah, that that's all useful stuff. UM. I do I I do keep in the boot of my car generally an angle grinder. UM. I have come into, especially living out in the middle of nowhere, a couple of situations like sometimes somebody has a health emergency and there is a

fence in the way. UM, and it's it has been something that is and is I think going to be easier for boat cutters are good at what they do, they also require a lot of forearm and upper body strength that is not going to be as much of

an option for people. So angle grinder not a bad thing to have in any sort of like it, especially if you like if you're if you're planning a kid, like I want to keep ship in my car because the wildfires are coming right, Um, Well, you're probably don't want a battery powered saw, um because depending on the capable Even if you have a very capable off roading vehicle, everyone I know who does serious overlanding is like, well you keep a fucking chainsaw in there because sometimes you

need to cut wood out of the way and you're just not going to get your car over it. Um. So it really depends on what you're doing, and like what the what the the kind of potential threats you're worried about are um, But yeah, I think the basics are way to get water, some amount of food, ability to start a fire. Something like a space blanket is useful if you live in a place where it actually gets hold. You should have a space blanket and a wool blanket or a couple of wool blankets, because those

will retain heat much better. Wool keeps like eight of its insulating capacity even when wet, and like layering wool and survival blankets UM can be a really effective way

to keep yourself from dying in in in bad weather situations. Um. That said, depending on where you are, there may be no realistic way to protect yourself in the like if you are in certain parts of the Midwest at certain parts of the winter, it may not matter so much, like what blankets you have at access to frustrating the will there's and there's no like structures around you, then yeah, it's negative. There's only so much. Yeah, I do love collecting a lock bypass tools. It's one of my favorite

things is just to have these practice using them. Um. Something I got for when I went to the Earth First Gathering that worked out pretty well was a foldable solar panel that connects to USB. That's enough to keep my phone alive always. So in terms of always wanting a map, this little foldable thing is enough to keep my phone able to have a map assuming I have cell service. So I was skeptical of how much this thing could work. Um, and it it did a decent

enough job. It even kept it even kept like my iPad pro um uh powered as well, so it had had had a decent amount of square footage once you unroll it. So that was very useful. But yeah, I mean I I really like luck bypass stuff. Um, it's one of one of one of my other hobbies. So this is, you know, a variety of tools in that type that it's a nice to get, like a decent collection of also like especially now, but probably in general, like have masks like just I mean just in general,

like sure have masks, have lots of them. Make sure you can change them. Yeah, I have a gas mask if that's at all physically like respond like fiscally possible for you. Mira is the one I think Garrison and I would both recommend to the want really good gas wonderful again all of these kids, there's the kid are like, okay, what is the what is what's necessary? And then there's like all right, if you have money or if you have time that you want to learn extra skills? What

are other things like lock picks? If you're just a random Joe and you've never like, don't throw lock picks in your kid, if you've never done any lock pick ship, they're not going to help you. Um. But if that that is a skill that is worth picking up and that will make you like more resilient. Um yeah um oh And a fourteen point nine millimeter anti material rifle. UM,

you're always gonna need one of those. They're they stay supersonic it up to three and a half miles UM, which is really useful, So definitely, definitely, and they're only you probably aren't going to spend more than dollars getting one set up, So it's it's really for the price of of of a fairly new Toyota Prius, you could have UM an anti material rifle that con pierce armored vehicles at at several miles distance, And really what is more pragmatic a survival tool than that, and we for it.

It's only like around that's just a moderately expensive meal per bullet. Christopher, Uh, do you think that corporations like Walmart or Amazon could become more military stick as? Yeah? I mean yeah, I think I think absolutely. The trend that worries me as Amazon's increasing UM collaborations with in deeper connections with like the FBI and other kind of law enforcement agencies. UM. The degree to which target has also like with the FBI and like with other agencies,

because they're they're anti shrink department and whatnot. They're like they're the surveillance they've built to stop theft is so advanced. They have one of the best crime labs in the

whole United States. Yeah, organizations like Tiger Swan, which is a mercenary group that the Dakota Pipeline people, the Dapple folks like hired to crack down on the Standing Rock protests and have have worked in other There's other organizations like that that we're active during the BLM protests and kind of the I I do think we're seeing a pair of militarization of a lot of these corporation, a lot of these corporations in order to protect their what

they see is their financial interests um and that that is that is proceeding rapidly. And it's not the thing that I'm not most I'm not most worried about them. Like do like having armed forces, although there will be some degree of that. There's already that's already happened, Like in Portland and downtown Portland there are armed effectively like mercenaries guarding certain businesses and certain areas like as a result of like you know, to deal with quote unquote

the gun crime or whatever property crime that's raised. But the thing that I think is most concerning is the degree to which they are professionalizing a paramilitary surveillance apparatus UM, and Amazon has done it to do stuff like crackdown on union organizing and whatnot. Like, So, yeah, I'm very concerned with that. I'm I I think that the the dimension of it that's most frightening is not necessarily like the shadow run, you know, corporations buying armies, but rather

corporations buying like intelligence agencies. UM is kind of the thing that I think will actually be the biggest threat UM because in a lot of cases, generally speaking, if I have to deal with an armed security guard or a cop, that security guard is going to be less of a pain in the ass than the cop. UM. Not always, but as a general rule, I'm less worried about security guards than cops, even armed ones. I think another thing that's important to keep in mind is that, yeah,

I mean, so's like I don't. I don't. I really don't think there's a danger that we're going to go back to like East India company style, like people with mass armies, because it's it's literally too expensive, Like you can't, it's it's too expensive, and the armies that exist already

do that. Yeah, yeah, you don't need them. But but I mean, I think that the thing the thing that's like scary outside of the intelligence stuff, which is terrifying, but it's the stuff they do down like like you call it down the supply chain, which is like you know, the Cocolan murdering union organizers with paramilitaries, right, they tend to work through like like you know, the corporations will back rebel groups, right, corporations will back like you know,

in Colombia, you see a lot of this is like you have these sort of like these I mean something about some of the back just directly by landholding holding corporations. Some of them are backed by just individual large landholders.

But you get these, like you know, you get basically these paramilitaries that are sort of the third wave after the army goes in, and that stuff is very scary or probably we're probably gonna see more of that, and yeah, but but but but I think it's it's kind of important that there's there there's an extent to which again

you'll see them having their own mercenaries. But a lot of the time it's there's some kind of thing when when when companies really need to kill someone, they tend to outsource that to aid like another sort of paramilitary organization. That's like not directly in their supply chain. It's like they thought directly under the train in command. Mhm. So yeah, that's that's a good and fun time that we'll probably just get worse mhm. Speaking of corporate uh funkori or whatever.

You get a Coca Cola add? I hope, I hope you do. Got a Coca Cola add because nothing soothes my quench like a cherry vanilla Coca Cola. Nothing soothes your quench. That's what I said. Those are words that came out of a mouth. We're back, okay, Robert. Somebody had a question about back when you worked at Track,

about a woman who was hiding from their family. The end of article, you mentioned that you haven't heard from her in a couple of weeks leading up to and they want to know if you've ever heard from her again. So yeah, that's a bummer. The pseudonym I'm I'm not going to use her real name in this, but the pseudonym I used for her in the article was as Am.

She was a woman who lived in Um the EU and uh was under threat of honor killing from her family who were from Pakistan in origin Um because she was an atheist, was not UM religious hardliner UM and didn't want to be. And for years she had kind of hidden that from her family, Like she'd moved out on her own, but she'd hidden the fact that, like she had a boyfriend, she'd hidden the fact that she'd liked played dungeons all of this stuff, like she played D and D and was like scared that, like that

was like her dad would literally kill her. And this is a thing that happens, This is a thing that happens in the United States and the EU. UM. It's a problem with like fundamentalist um Islam, and that's not the only religion there's honor killings as a result on. But that was her specific situation. One of the things she was frightened about is her family would go back

to Pakistan regularly, and she was concerned. She wanted to go because it was the only way to see her grandparents, but she was also concerned that if her parents found out when they went back, they would basically imprison her somewhere where she would not be able to get out and get back to her home. And she would be

forced to be married off or something. So she was working with an organization UM in the country in the EU where she lived that helped people extricate themselves and and the kind of one of the last things she told me is that, like, well, the things she was looking at doing because she was so worried about her

dad was a total break. Was like one day, with the help of this organization, she would just be gone and in another part of the EU and would have a complete break from her life and would completely stop living as the identity she had had her entire life. UM. And I never heard from her again after that, after like three or four different interview sessions, and I still

have not uh. And my hope is that she did the thing she said she was going to do, and she just completely burned that email and every other way people had of getting in touch with her. UM. And she's doing great now. But I really have no idea. UM, I have absolutely no idea what happened to her. Oh uh, so we would people want an update on the quest for eel horse. Uh. Still no, still no horse. Still have not found an entire horse carcass um. But but

one day it'll happen. You know it'll happen. Okay, it's gonna be good. Garrison. That gator that I shoved a turkey or a duck inside and a turkey next too, was pretty good. It was great after I took it out of the pit as you were wrestling people screaming. Well, that's the only way to properly cook it. The right amount of time is to get drunk enough that people have to fight you to remove it from the fire gear.

That's how cooking works. I don't know, if you've done much of it in your life, you'll you'll understand one day. This This is a question that I find interesting because I feel like it really must understand not to like insult the first asking it. But I think that that's that's not that's not not what I'm trying to do. Um. The question is, um, what population can the post capitalist world sustain and thrive on with our ideas and concepts? A billion? Like we currently have six billion to a

billion less than ability? Like how how do people are you willing to lose to achieve sustainability? Because I forget that the community and are optimistic with proper technology and ecosustainability techniques we can maintain a population close to what we have now. And Yeah, I feel like just the framing of this question kind of approaches our current problems and the solutions we have in a weird way, because I don't think we're not trying to reach a eek population.

We're trying to make sure the people that we have have enough stuff to live well, and we have that right now. We we we overproduce everything. We make about one and a half times as much food as we need to to feed everybody. Yet there are billions and millions of people who go hungry. So it's not a

so like it's approaching this question. Yeah, so approaching this question in terms of, like how could the post capitalist world thrive on our ideas and like I, we're not trying to like reach a certain population number, where I think going it from that way is kind of a little silly because I feel like it should be the opposite is. But yeah, I don't know why we don't think we need to start with population and then go down. The point is is, look what we have, here's the people.

Let's distribute this like a network instead of a top down kind of system. Yeah, I think that one of the things you have to if you're taught, if you're trying to talk about social ecology, one of the things you have to resist, UM is this idea that like they're overpopulation is any part of the problem. It is not. Consumption is a problem, um, But there's plenty of resources.

The problem is again one of allocation. And if you were to actually develop a much more equitable society where people were getting enough, one of the things that we have seen demographically all over the world when um the level of kind of UM, when the the sort of resources available per capita and a population increases, is people have less kids um and And like I think that, yeah, it's certainly good to say that, like, in a world that is more equitable, the human population will naturally level

off and decrease somewhat. But that the thing that's not the same as saying that, like, we need to decrease the population. We need to increase um equity um and and make sure that people have access to the resources that they need UM and also that people who are

massively over consuming aren't allowed to do that anymore. You know, that will solve the problems and scale back all of the resources being put towards useless growth and predicted towards better distribution, thus actually mean like the questioner used the term like post capitalist, I don't think we're gonna get to a post capitalist world ever, like, at least at least not when I'm allowed. I don't think like a world. No. Will there be post capitalist areas, probably, but we're never

gonna get there. There's never gonna be a post capitalist world. I don't. I don't. I don't think that. I also think it's entirely possible that we will reach points that people in the time will not necessarily consider post capitalist because it will be the same states and a lot of the same institutions organizations that were there as a kid. But people who were, you know, looking at it from a perspective today might consider post capitalist because that's generally

how change happens. You know. Yeah, about like how democracy increased in in the UK, but they still had like a king. It's like when did they they're not, they never really reached post mod anarchy. But it's also not the same system that they were run by in like four hundred, you know, it's wildly different and there's much

more representation for more people. But it it's that is not you know that there's also you also have your your Soviet unions and your your killing of czars, and which which is fine, and and and and and I I like killings ours. But change happens in a variety of ways, and change can be revolutionary in its effect

without being a clear break. Yeah. I'm just trying to think of like how we're talking about like the capitalist world thriving, Like I don't I don't view eight billion people thriving right now even with that like a lot of like it's not like it's that's not what's happening right now, And we need to change the way like distribution of resources works drastically, and doing that will make

everyone's lives a whole lot better. And it will also maybe about some of the endless growth and those things aren't opposites, um And I just I don't know how like we can say those things, but the path to getting there is certainly a lot more ambiguous. Yeah, And I think that that's I think one of the ways in which the left goes wrong often is kind of looking at things that have been tried before and and didn't didn't didn't do the trick and saying like what

we need is we need us another Bolshevik revolution. You know, we need to bring back that you hammer and sickle. And it's like, well, you know, they gave it the old College try and they did not win. UM. And you can be angry at that or whatever, or you can be like, Okay, it's the same, and hey, it's it's every tendency. I can look at the fucking Maknos and be like, well, that was based as hell, and

you know what, it didn't do the fucking trick. UM. So I think there's a degree of humility that needs to be had in terms of like what actual, what actual change that makes a more livable world will look like in the way in which That's one of the reasons I did enjoy Kim Stanley Robinson's Ministry of the Future is a lot of it is about the end of capitalism in a way that is not UM. It's it's it. It doesn't look like a lot of ends of capitalism have have kind of been posited by UM.

There's a lot of uh strong arming bankers into like forcing high level economic changes that put insto like really extractive systems and whatnot UM, and it's it's it's interesting. It was kind of an imagining of how the transition could begin UM in a way that that isn't commonly talked about UM, at least on the left. And I thought it was valuable for that, And I think people should be I think there's I think that UM UM people can be more creative in how they envisioned the

way that might look than they they often are. And I feel like this question actually relates to like stuff like dual power really well, because our our goal individuals is not feeding eight billion people. Our goal is to get a garden enough so that we can feed most of our friends off of stuff that we grew for like the summer, right, Like that's like that's what our goal is to is to build it from that way instead of saying, like how how can we feed New

York in a climate sustainable way? That is a very different question than being like if we want to integrate solar punk and like eco sustainability stuff into our lives now, because if we don't do it, no one really else is really going to. Let's start with the people you actually already have connections with, because a lot of it is is about building like horizontal connections as opposed to defaulting to this top down system of who has what, who needs what? And this is when we when we venture,

when we dare to venture into the subreddit. One of the things I see people like critiquing a lot is like, well, you're you know, they keep talking about like all of these little like home gardening and like canning and and and kind of these community level solutions, but that's not going to deal with like this massive systemic problem. And

it's like, oh, it's not all about that. There's there's One of the methods in which you can ensure change is keeping you and yours alive and committed on change.

And part of that is ex hyper local solutions UM that also involve increasing your own idea of your autonomy and your own and your own understanding of things like the food cycle, which have an impact on what you like vote for and what you support pushing for on like a societal level, the things that you come to better understand in your daily life, and and so getting involved in all of these things guerilla gardening and whatnot

UM has an impact on that. All I do think people underestimate, like the largest crop by acreage in the United States by a long shot, is fucking lawns and replacing lawns with either zero escaping just to increase carbon capture and reduce water usage, or with some sort of food growth. Doing a mix of that for the vast majority of like lawn area in the United States actually would be a significant thing on a global level. Recommend

everyone the Book of Food not lawns. Yeah, there's it's that that would not be a meaningless change, and it is something that people can have an impact on because it is the kind of thing that if we were to get popular enough, there's a Pokemon point, you know, where it where it becomes a trend um and and like Pokemon, if it gets popular enough, it will never die. That's what we say about all of our stuff on

our show. If it if it becomes like Pokemon or or n f T point, if that's But I don't think in FT Pokemon is so much better than any n f T. Although the day that this drops, that will probably announce the Pokemon n FT game, which will be the final coffin in the biosphere. All of all of all of my Pokemons are gone. I've been had all my apes gone. That was my favorite post of the holiday season. Oh, Robert, do you want to give an update on After the Revolution? That was asked a

couple of times. Yeah, seel, I'm three chapters in. Um, it'll be done, hopefully at some point this year. Garrison. Garrison has a question on that. Are you going to pay someone else to code the book? No? No, no, we pay you, Garrison. I don't want to code this. Yeah, well I have to work on the Daily Show. Now I cannot code this. We all have things to do we don't want to do. Oh gosh, alright, I'm so sorry, Garrison, so sorry. We'll have you code some other people's books

just to get get practiced. Stoff, no more coding. I will not allow it. There are there there are experts who can do this a lot prettier than I can with my I think, Garrison, I consider you an expert. Now ope, no, in in in E pub coding. I'll put that on my resume. Well, I think that does it for us today, folks. If you want to follow us on social media so you can watch us promote our own shows again, you can go to Cool's own Media on Twitter, Instagram, and happen here pod and wouldn't

that be lovely? We get so much more connections through online. That's wow? That really do I love online? Yeah? And uh, we're doing it Behind the Bastards live stream digital show with prop on. That doesn't sound right, That doesn't This bit is so not funny everything time, it's not a bit. I'm just dreading it. I'm dreading it to but we're doing it. February moment House dot Com tickets still available. They are a moment how star come slash Behind the Bastards?

Can I them scalpel them to the fans? I in the scarcity is the key? Well do that if you have disposable income and want to watch Robert talk Okay, yeah, yeah, more than we already do. I guarantee you it'll be worth it. Well that's the episode. Thank you for listening. I hope everyone has uh better two that would be nice. And I hope everyone has an identical two down to the day and until in May you realize that you're

actually in like a groundhog Day style loop. Um, and then you would achieve nirvauna if I'm remembering how the movie Groundhog Day went properly? Sure, Uh, Yeah, that sounds that sounds great. Have a good year, makes some changes, make connections with people around you. There there you just just define them. Talk to people who look like they have cool politics or start doing cool things. You know,

and started starting start doing cool things. Yeah, we should address one last thing, which is the question people ask that gets asked a lot, but we probably can't address enough, which is like, there's no one around me doing any of this mutual A stuff. There's nobody around me engaging any of the stuff that I want to get How do how do I get organized and get involved? Number one? There are people around you doing that kind of ship. It may just be hard to find because of where

you are. UM. But if you start doing ship, if you like, the simplest thing I can say is try and figure out where there's a need and start filling it UM. Often you will start meeting other people who are engaged in adjacent projects or even the same thing UM. And that's a way to get into it if you are trying to start, if you actually get so far as to start serving a need in your area in a mutual aid capacity UM and trying to start organizing and whatnot, and you're doing shit, feel free to hit

us up on email reach out. We are happy to signal boost and signpost people who are have actually started

doing shit. Um. It's one of those things. Please don't come to I think this might be a cool idea, but if you start doing shit, um, and you can provide some evidence that you're you're doing something in your community that's not currently being done that is a mutual aid type thing, or even even a charitable type thing if it's if you're doing it, we will try to help signal boost and and can be very useful in

that capacity. So so it's not easy necessarily, especially depending on where you live, but like you do, it's always possible to find a need and fill it, you know. Yeah, I found that, uh definitely was easier before the pandemic. But a way that I've met people that are a little bit more open minded to the same things that I'm open minded too, was going to like local comedy shows or things things that like farmers markets, farmers market, you know, wherever kind of weird, not not in the

normal culture people will go to. You'll probably find someone there with radical politics. Yeah, that's problem, all those types of like like you know, countercultural subcultural spaces. You'll probably find someone there who's wearing a back patch that is something like smashed to something. You know, so like just like you, you have to you know you're not going to find them by staying at your in your house and scrolling on Twitter. I mean they probably not. You

have to kind of go into the real world. Um as scary as the meat space. Maybe yeah. And I would say another thing to keep in mind if you are in kind of a more conservative area, and even if you do identify as an anarchist, you don't have to frame it that way. You can always call yourself a libertarian municipal list and none of the people who might be offended by anarchists will listen past libertarian and

they'll decide you're fine. And that's a great way to to start that Like, uh, an ironic means the same thing more or less. I mean there's other kinds of anarchists who are but like most people who say they're anarchists, if you were to call them libertarian municipalists would be like, all right, whatever, yeah, not me, don't call me that, but call call Chris that constantly. That's that's that's that's it. We'll be back tomorrow or maybe not. I don't know what,

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