Q&A 2023

not chaotic. Downhill from here. First off, welcome, welcome back. We we love some of you. Probably presumably I haven't met you, any of the ones that I love, but I assume that you're out there. How's everybody doing, how's everyone's new year? Absolute slap in the face to anyone you've met on any of your live events, that's a fairy. So nice to meet you. Thank you for coming in person. Also, fuck you. That's what this whole episode is a series of slaps to the face, because it's not for us.

We're lying. We're all lying to them. Who knows if we make it that far today we're recording this on December two, and what is it? What has happened today? Friends? Also, who are you? Who is on this episode? Garrison's here? As I've already spoken into the microphone, you know who else has spoken into the microphone? Serene? Question work? Now you have Sophie, Sophie, ye, James? Oh? Miss any one left? Oh? No, Mia, I don't. I don't think I've actually spoken into this

episode yet. So now I have. You've started the day? Didn't? So that's how you introduced a PODCT so incredibly awkward. It was perfect, magnificent, as if we had never done a podcast. But before we get to this, to some of the q days of what has happened today when we're recording it? Oh, well, today is the day? Is the one day anniversary of me showing Garrison the movie Strange Days, written by James Cameron um a New Year's classic. Such a good movie. Not seen it? Oh you gotta

you gotta watch it? It is Robert got an alert on his phone that was just like Memories one year, a lot of one day, one day, a lot of violence against the l a p D in that film. Today, that's what's happened has happened? Yeah, definitely not a pro l a p D movie. Um. Also you you get to repeatedly see a couple of now prominent actors oh faces um, which is which is great in a slightly problematic context, deeply problematic context, but a good movie. What

actors are in this movie? What's his? What's his? Ralph Find? Yeah, Ralph find is the main character, and he looks exactly like ten years ago Bradley Cooper. Bradley Cooper in this movie. So don't insult Ralph. Don't do that. They that's what I mean. Okay, well, that's cool. Um, he's great and Angela Bassett is fucking incredible in it. Queen. Yeah. Tom

Sizemore is present in the movie. Alright, Well my favorite is Vincent din Afrio looks exactly like Tim Heidecker's character, and that I think you should leave sketch where they're at the UFO themed restaurant. It's it's uncanny, um that you're still doing. Uh. I think you should leave references in the Lord's I showed my family before before they left to go see other family for Christmas. I sat I sat my family down to watch the second half

of season two and magnificent. Yeah, it's defined, and that that leads into my only prediction for the next year, which is this is, oh God, come on all right, who's what's the first question? Then? Well, want to know, um, in an alternate universe where it could happen here, has a corporate office, does the staff get a Robert Evans

book for holiday presence or a gift card? And we can we can actually answer this because despite not having a corporate office, there's still there still was a holiday gift which I have not actually with mine yet, so I can't say what line is, but I know other people have received theirs. I don't know, Sophie, I ordered yours for well, well, Sophie, you know sometimes it would

be like that tracking it's probably gonna be yes. So if you're about to ruin some ups drives day, But what did what did everyone else received for their Scarrison? Will be delivered PM today out for today? There there you go. It's okay, Garrison. I didn't get shipped either. Oh oh, did buy you something that hasn't come yet? Devastatingly, what did what did what did everyone else get for

for their holiday gift? Was it a Robert Evans book? No, it wasn't God would be Oh my god, imagine you're that fucked up, that unchanged that you're like, you should do that ar gift. The second job I ever had, which was our third job, I guess, which was working for this accountant guy that's like like he was like right, he was a retirement like an advisor guy. He would help old people get their money in order to retire.

It was mostly like helping him host events at like a Texas roadhouse where we would try to get old people to buy annuities. But um, so I worked for this guy. In the day I started the job, he gave me a copy of his self published novel Operation night Watch, which was about a group of Navy seals going rogue to stop drug dealers and is one of the worst things I've ever read. I mean I attempted to someone when I mentioned it once on the show. Somebody found and bought a copy and give that money

to someone else. Oh, he can't be alive anymore. There's no way he said it was. It was probably all the eBay or something. Yeah, yeah, that that man has been dead for years. I'm sure we still we still have an we still have, we got time. He can's mace to to a little personal maces on the left hand one for your right hand. I really like it. It's very compact. New pepper spray has been on my tables for like months because mine was expired like a

year ago. But I've never actually bought in one, and so it was perfect and I was just so tiny. I can put it in like my Fannie pack and just continue on my day. How do you know it won't work if it's expired. I just poked it up. I looked it up, and I was just like, I don't want to like, I don't know. I just it was on my tables. I obviously didn't buy it yet. It wasn't like you don't want to hurt somebody with expired pepper spray. It's a propellant that expires. Yeah, the

kid itself gets like yourself. Yeah I got it. Yeah Yeah, well there you go, there you go. Um let's see, so we're going to be going through some of the questions that we got for the previous Sorry my cats are making Also. I do like that that, but that person really thought that Robert was that person that was like, hey, happy holidays, here's my book. I do get the royalties. You're welcome. We should, we should. We should use the corporate cards to buy more copies of my book. That's

a good idea. So we can just ship them to the sea, though it doesn't matter where they go. For the next question, and we're using the questions from the previous, it could happen in your livestream for this, by the way, So if we didn't get to your question, we're getting to some more of them right now. Unless your questions sucked. Yeah, yeah, very personal. Yes, that's that's that's what I meant by sucked. Um. So do you know of a way to get involved

in mutual aid without using social media? I don't really use it for mental health reasons. Good decision there to not use social media. Continue using social media. Yeah, Um, A lot of mutual aid organizing or you know, like requests happen on social media. Um, but I mean there's I guess it depends on how you use social media. I suppose like it might be useful to have a friend that follows some of the some of the social media stuff in your local area, whether that be on

Twitter or mastered on or Instagram. Um, and then can like relay relay to you if there's local events um, or you can just like section off like once a week you check on just a few of those things and then you then you delete the app from from your phone again. Um. Because once you are like plugged into a local community, then people can just like directly send you flyers and stuff. Um. But you have to

have those connections there in the first place. And those connections are really best made by going to things on the ground, whether it be you know, a food not bombs type thing, whether it be you know, like a clothing swap. Um. Lots of local events do happen in in in people's cities, and once you actually go there

in person, that's where real community actually gets built. So it's it's just it's just it's kind of just breaking the ice to actually get to act go to a few in person things and then and then people can send you, you know, direct fires and stuff. If you don't want to be doom scrolling well looking for things, you don't have to even have an account if you don't decide not to. You can like view profiles on Twitter and Instagram without an account that you can't like

see the comments or whatever. But if you just want to see their profile every once in a while and check in on what they're doing. You can do that online with no account. Yeah, often as well, like and well we're doing mutual aid things here. It tends to focus on the border a lot or on house people, and like in both cases you can just show up and you'll meet someone who's helping in most instances, and then they can direct you and they can text you

or signal you whatever. Like there were tons of people when the migrant caravan arrived who were much older and not on social media, often with church groups, and they didn't hugely like have UM I would say a lot of experience in that kind of area, but they deeply wanted to help and they showed up and people were like, hey, can you go to us, go and get base and they want to ga absolute and yeah, and we use

what's happened? It was fine, and like check around. Another option to be obviously if if you if you have like like a radical meeting space in your city, you can check their um If you don't have those, you can even check see if there's any like radical coffee shops or cafes that maybe have like a bulletin board people will often put up flyers for stuff there. Um, just you really have to do start to start trying to be like plugged into your actual like I r

L local community and that's generally how that goes. Um, you have to be more proactive than if you had social media is the main thing. You still have to show up either way, right, Like, Yeah, and do you know who else wants you to show up online? Evans? I don't these products and services that want you to. We're now exclusively only sponsored by Robert's books. Yes, and here's an excerpt. All right, and we're back speaking of

the Internet. Robert or anyone I suppose, do you think there's a way to get back to fulfilling the promise of the early Internet? Uh? No, Um, I don't. I think the early Internet was a thing that happened that in part was the way that it was because our brains did not have any kind of tolerance or or or like we're not like prepared for it. Um, And it it kind of grew up as we became capable of like I don't know, like the the the Internet

grew more social as we got used to it. And I don't think that can ever happen again, like those those weird little moments where I don't know ye that my answer is no, I don't think it will ever happen again, in the same way that like you're never going to get those weird little moments that you you had, like the birth of you know, the printing press or whatever. Like you know, it was a unique moment in history and it's never going to come again. Which doesn't mean

that something else won't happen. Um, but the Internet is not Like the fact that we've all lived through the social media era means even once all these companies go bust, our brains have still been changed by them too much to ever go back to posting the way we once did. No, we're too far gone, I think. On a kind of similar note, in a few days, we have an episode from Andrew on digital commons and this that kind of

involves around this same kind of question. So in a few days we'll have we'll have an episode kind of about this topic ran by Andrew. Um, but James, you had you had something, Yeah, Sometimes like obviously like the Internet is terrible in many ways, but like when we talk about like what happened in myanma that series of

Robert and I did. Like that seems to me like it's delivering on some of the promises of the early Internet, Like it's it's mad that you know, a young person like who is facing a coup and wants democracy in this part of Asia can go online speak to some dude in these aren't real places, like people are spoken to about like some some guy in his garage in Ohio who's threely printing guns, and that person can help the other person on themselves and defend their right to

choose who governs them or if they're governed at all, Like that is really fucking cool, and that doesn't happen without the Internet, and so yeah, there's also yeah, it's it's not that there's not going to be good things done with the Internet, or that it can't be made better, but it's never going to be what it was because

we simply know too much. Um, let's see what are some inspiring recent examples of cooperation increasing survival odds to know the type that thinks they just need AMMO to survive. Another good touchstone with for this would be the movie trimmers Um which which shows unfortunately actually he's survival player nobody lives with that community. Unfortunately, unfortunately, I think Rabbit

actually is correct here. More broadly, this person is like and coned sleep paraphrasing Kurparkian, right, but like we have all just lived through a pandemic, and they are stilling through a pandemic. I guess which has changed the world killed hundreds of thousands, millions of people, and like, the reason a lot of people got through that, A lot of people who didn't weren't able to work or were

immuno compromised. You can't go out as much is because other people helped them, Like no one shot COVID and no one fed themselves in the lockdown because they had tons of five or five six stocked away, like a ton of mutual aid happened. A lot of terrible ship happened as well, But that's a bigger example. I think, mm, yeah, what genres of music have each of you been listening to lately? M I'm a big classical head. I don't care if it's like I also listened to a lot

of classical the best. When you're driving, everything becomes like cinematic and it's calming, and sometimes words distract me, so my go too is classical to what I would consider classical music, which is second and third wave SCAA basically the only classical music in my opinion. I listened to the Clash Suade and the manicx Ree Preacher is more or less exclusively. Yeah, they're the only bands that matter. Yeah, I think if it's not classical, I'm trying to like

be I don't know, I'm like dancing around. So it's either like it's like two extremes for me, either classical and I'm like chill, going to sleep, or I'm getting ready and I want to feel something. M what if I man, I have the most absolutely dogship music, but the music that I listened to it, I think it's legitimately good. That's not like hower metal or like weird ship is I've I've been going back to like my Youth and my Youth is a combination of like surf rock.

I was like, this is a safe space like what okay, like Pat Pat Benatar sort of like that that there's a sort of era of like I don't know what you call it, like lesbian glam rock. I don't know yourself. This is the safe space you keep saying that I don't think we ever agreed to this. I usually listened to a lot of music, well, writing and researching. I just finished up to two pretty big writing projects. I've been listening to a lot of music. Um, most of

it's like ambient electronica. Uh, some classicals thrown in there if I need to get a little bit more like energy. But listening to some Trent Resiner kind of ambient stuff um, and like a lot of I also listened to a lot of remixes of the Mario Galaxy soundtrack. Okay, I like that. Wait, okay, okay, okay, all right, I need to I need I need to plug a truly awful song. No, no, no, no, we got it. Okay, look Donkey Kong has to slam this way. It has to be this way, X space

Jam x d k Rap. I need, I need to know that this exists, is there's there's it is incredible. It is another worldly experience. That's also a version of it. That's the k but also what do we mean angel? Okay, I think this said. Do you listen to Max Richter? I think he would like Max Richter. He's like he had a lot of soundtracks for shows. So stuff is kind of like melancholic and piano ee, but I think you might like it. I will look him up. Good name, Yeah,

it's spelled Richer. Yeah, okay, great. Yeah. You should also listen to the Mighty Mighty Boss Towns, who did a wonderful album. No No, don't don't speak out the album That George Floyd song is incredibly appropriate, deeply appropriate. Yet, speaking of listening to things, speaking speaking of things that are problems, what is what is the most troubling thing that isn't being reported on or isn't taken seriously by

the wider public. The fact that none of you said you listened to any rap music or any type of music that wasn't just I thought Tupac was a give okay, okay, trachical questions I listened to. I listened to a little bit of Biggie every now and again, and I got my most deaf always loaded up, especially around the New Year. I love listening to Life and Marvelous Times, both sides as a hell of an album. I've always been more Biggie. There's a guy Code and Christian Parish takes a gun.

He rapped by Superman. He's like from the coronation. I think his stuff is cool. The most troubling thing that isn't that isn't being reported on are taken seriously enough by the wide republic besides our musical tastes. Well, I'm going to be and always say like Atal East your news and Palestine and like air and balance reporting and even like Syria and uh Yemen and all of that stuff.

I think none of that gets enough attention. Absolutely, I'm gonna say, fucking scams um, Like just on a daily basis, I feel like my phone gets uh, six to eight scam calls scam calls at least, and like it's uh and someone making a note of this earlier because like a bunch of scam stories have been people have been

sharing them this year. But like there's all sorts of fucked up things like if a relative gets arrested, as soon as the police post um the like the they're the fact that like like publicly posted they've been arrested, Like the family if they have numbers that scammers can find, will start getting auto dialed by like accounts claiming to be the police saying that like you need to put money in their account now where they're going into general population.

And it's all these are all like low hanging fruit things like they're they're they're not they're targeting people who are not very savvy UM often people who have some sort of like mental disability. Right, So folks who are kind of living a marginal existence in a lot of ways as it is, UM and they are like it it's making it incredibly difficult for and and folks who have like are cognitively impaired for whatever reason, including the

fact that they're they're elderly. There's just like this. It's never been like this before, the sheer density of scams that people have to wade through. And again, most of you, we've all kind of noticed it getting more common, but you may not have noticed how kind of brutal it's gotten because you're not the target demographic for this stuff, right. That's why they all have like filters in them to try and weed out the people who are savvy enough

to know that they're being scammed. But it's there's a number of things. This is the result of decisions that the the FTC made um like like in order to like make it a lot easier for people to use ship like auto dialers and to carry out like phone based scams. But it's it's just been punted on by

every presidential administration in our lifetime. Is the Internet has made it easier to automate this stuff, and the the explosion of machine learning tools that are widely available, these kind of AI s that people are joking about right now, like it's all going to create the capacity to more effectively automate scams. I had one that could have gotten me the other day where I got a call from my bank that was listed as from my bank is and like on it like it was my bank's phone number,

like it was. It came up as them on the and they were like, hey, you know someone has there's some some charges. Can we run them by you? We want to make sure And they were like charge things I had not bought. They were like wire transfers and ship and they're like, oh, it looks like you know, somebody's gotten access to your account. And the call dropped before I could finish it, so I called them back, and when I called my bank back, they were like, oh, yeah,

that was someone spoofing our number. They were trying to get personal information out of you. Um, this ship is so fucking endemic, and no one is doing a goddamn thing about it. There's like one anemic attempt in Congress to slightly address it, primarily through like education, but it is a massive problem. It's part of what's breaking society, the fact that like everyone is constantly flooded by this low level cloud of people trying to destroy their financial lives. Um,

It's it's real bad. Do you know what else is trying to destroy your financial lives? Of the products and services that support this podcast, Garrison and Robert's books, and we are back for one final time for this episode. This is This is actually a question that I feel is pretty important that I wish people thought about a bit more, at least within like, you know, our our general sphere. Where do you draw the line between fascist

politics and non fascist conservative politics. Well, at the moment in the United States, I don't think there's a line to be drawn, because the mainstream of the Republican Party completely thrown themselves in behind one of or both of two fascists. Um. In terms of like personally, I guess it depends on whether or not people support their being

like things like penalties on on on it. Do people like does somebody's support banning books, to somebody's support arresting folks for expressing political opinions that differ from there's does somebody support, um, you know, expanding the penalties for petty crimes to include like violence, Like those are all things that can suggest that somebody is a fascist. But at the end of the day, anybody who supports the Republican

Party right now is supporting a fascist movement. So I don't feel there's any sort of I don't draw a line in my head anymore, to be entirely honest, because they they alighted the line. I try to be very specific when I say fastist versus just like a regular conservative.

In my reporting, like when we were inside Colorado, we talked to people who were Conservatives, who were who were against fascists and against local fascists in their community and actually doing things to help stop fascists from gaining power within their local community. UM. I think if you look at a lot of the rhetoric around queer people right now, whether it be like drag shows or trans people, that's

a specific style of rhetoric that is like innately fascist. UM, like talking about like there was there was there was a tweet from um is his name, like lindsay James,

what's that? What's what's that? Guy? Yeah, he put out he put out this little like meme being like, don't call them drag queens, call them um like like it was some some bullshit groomer thing, Like I forget the exact thing, but like that that specific style of rhetorical framing is is is like a pretext to ex termination and genocide, Like that is that is what that is what they're doing, and I think that is right now.

Is what it crosses the line is when when they're creating these scapegoat groups that that are going to be targeted and posing these groups as like a threat to civilization. Um, that's where I kind of use that word like fascists like that that is generally in in my research where I start employing that versus you know, some random guy who I'm talking to who you know wants there to

be lower taxes and less regulation. Because yeah, that that position, as we've seen now, can eventually lead to the type of fascist policies. But I think that there is when it comes to like people in your personal life, and when it comes to like regular people who are not politicians. I think having a little bit more discretion is useful because I think there's still a chance that some people who are currently conservative can not become fascist. Yeah, I

would agree. I think in the US context one sort of useful litmus test for people on the right. It's like, are the rules of the game more important than the outcome of the game. Like, so when you look at like the sort of fascism we saw around Donald Trump, right, like there was a point where the outcome of the game, the maintenance of power right became more important than the

rules of the game. I like basic human rights, and I think that that's a useful definitely a useful sort of it's this person dangerous, it might like I like Paxton's definition of fascism. Generally it's not great, but it's

which has elements useful. Yeah, it's useful. And I think your scapegoat group group one is really key when people a scapegrowing people and they don't really give a funk about how they eliminate those people stop quote unquote, right, when when people are seeking to use the machinery of state to eliminate people and ideas that they find uncomfortable by using the force of law against them, Um, they're fascists.

And when people are supportive of ending democratic like ending the democratic transfer of power in order to support an individual that they think embodies their conception of like what their country is, those people are fascists. Um. And I think that it's one thing, And I don't think it's usually useful if you're having a conversation with an individual to call them a fascist, even if they're behaving in

ways that are kind of fashy. If you think that a productive conversation can be had, Um, that might move them in one direction or the other. But at the end of the day, if somebody is supportive, for example, of a third term for Donald Trump, um, that person

is supporting a fascist movement. And I don't think that there's a I don't think I don't think it matters that, like their individual reasons for doing it maybe less fascy than someone else's, Like, at the end of the day, they are supporting that, and that's that's kind of what

matters to me. I think. I think it's also worth taking a little bit of a look at what happened to your conservatism in order to sort of understand what's going on here, because I think there was an important sort of fracture a in terms of the fact that George Bush like basically orchestrated like yeah, like bait bait, Like he didn't technically at a coupe, but he like he he he rigged an elections such as to put it it's like, so as to put him in power, right,

Like that's what the Brookes Brothers riot was. That's what that's that's sort of the process that gets us the Bush wouldn't shoot in two thousands and there you know that this is this is an interesting moment because if you look at what happens to conservatism over the sort of like the I don't know, the last twenty five years of the twentieth century, there's this interesting pivot where they they make where in order to you know, if you look at like what what is the conservative response

to communism in nineteen like thirty nine, right, it's just like we're going to be fascists, right, It's like literally we are going to be the Nazis. But you know, by by by the time you get to like post world wortching, by time it gets really to like the seventies and eighties, they start realizing that like people don't generally like fascism that much, and so the form of anti communism that they take starts to be this sort of like rights based like weird support like like freedom

and human rights and like free markets and democracy. And there there there's this point where that stuff meets with like another kind of fascist politics, which is sort of like the two one era of state of exception stuff that happened after nine where you know, like people are talking about the gloves coming off, and this is this is this is getting into your sort of like like looking at like multa Benjaminans like conceptution of what fascism is or am I blanking on the guy's name like

Carl Schmidt's stuff right where it's like here was a part of the state that can just like destroy like they had to have sovereign power and can just sort of trample over the entire legal order in order to

serfatuate it. Right, So this is like okay, suddenly after two thousand one, like after nine eleven, they were just like people disappearing into torture dungeons, right, and you get this moment where, on the one hand, yeah, like because George w. Bush is one of these people who's like the sort of like freedom democracy people, but then beneath him is you know, it collapses very quickly into this we are the torture dungeons stuff and this willingess literally

to rig elections. And I think that's the sort of important because because like there are sort of normal conservatives right who still have that kind of like freedom and liberal democracy whatever thing, and they're not really that fascist kind of but in some sense it doesn't it doesn't matter that much institutionally because the part of the Republican Party that survived was a combination of the torture dungeon, which is like Gina Hospital like and then Trump, who

is this the sort of emblem of this like like the sort of sort of like we're gonna we're gonna take the election, We're gonna take power. We're gonna use the power of the state to just like murder everyone

we like. And I don't know, like I think, I I think like you can find individual people who are conservatives who I guess like art Nazis, but the the way that neo conservatives and fragmented and the way that that kind of state of exception politics and that politics have sort of just like mass torture, and then also

the willingness to just steal elections like that. I don't know that stuff I think forms is this another sort of core fascism, that's they're alongside the sort of queer extermination of stuff And there I don't know, these things fused together in ways. And yeah, I've rambled for long enough. We're gonna do one more question. And I think we cover a lot of upsetting things on the show, some things that maybe are not you know, super fun to think about. Um, but we also cover some like hopeful

stuff as well. But what's what's one thing that the crew who works in the show due to decompress and clear our minds after you know, wading through the trenches of the digital hellscape. Uh pass. I feel like we might have answered something similar to this on the line. I saw Robert playing cyberpunk last night, so I know there's at least at least one thing. It does allow me to pretend that Keanu Reeves is my friend, which is nice to meet him first. I like to go camping.

I like to go outside like I like to swim in the ocean and raban bike and hiking, camping. Yeah, yeah, I second that I need to go outside and just even like a simple walk with trees and hiking. I think it really helps me just decompressed and be present again, hanging out with queer people's not and intentionally not talking about Twitter bullshit, just like going and do doing something, just like varying around in the grass, just like talking about gay ship. It rules. It's the self that heals

the heart. Absolutely. Well, uh, thank thank you everybody. Me. Oh see, I was gonna try to just like nope, just just just like that, wrap up the episode in a nice little bow. Um. I don't know. I've I've been trying to get back into doing more kind of art stuff with my camera and whether that be photography or filmmaking, um in like short form stuff. Uh what else I've been doing Yeah, I don't know. Taking drugs. Sure, there it is. Shrooms are healing, shocking, shocking, incredible on

the podcast. Now now you can wrap it up if you want to. Well, thank you everyone for listening to our episode. That's what I do to thank you. See, that's the thing to do. That's actually actually actually there's one person who has tried to skirt past this this question, Sophie. Yes, Sophie, what the hell she looks? What do you want, Sophie, You not only have to deal with, you know, all of the bed stuff that we talked about, but you also have to also have to deal with us. Um,

So what what do you do to compress? And clear and clear clear, comprest Each and every one of you are the best. So let's let's start there. Uh. I really like uh making food for my friends, and uh like meeting a friend for coffee and just like walking outside or like finding like a little place that's like a local place and just when and when you go in, there's like barely anyone in there, but then you get to talk to the people that work there and then

order a nice little dessert or something. It's that kind of thing that I'm like, I'm like, I have friends. That's literally what I read it. I said it and sounded horrible. Um. And then like as obviously like having pets and being around animals is really solid, but um, it's also just like having a healthy balance of you know, focusing on a lot of the negative stuff but really also putting your energy into a lot of the positive stories.

I know that a lot of people feel like it could Happen Here is tends to lean towards the negative. But I really feel like we're a hopeful show, and I feel like as as a network cools, the media tries to to to lean lean towards the hope and find, you know, the good and the bad. And you know, that's what we have shows like cool People did Cool Stuff, which is with Margaret Killjoy that that really helps balance

out a lot of the other things. So yeah, I think finding the good in the bad, uh, eating yummy food with your friends and petting all the you can. You know. I also think a huge thing for all of us is taking plenty of alpha brain supplement. Um, all right, thank you, thank you for listening to It could Happen Here. If you have have have a have a good year of discord. It could Happen Here is a production of cool Zone Media and more podcasts from

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