Protecting Your Community In A Hostile State

But I think there's been more than enough of that, particularly in the wake of several horrific Supreme Court rulings that I don't really need feel the need to go into detail on, but one of the things that has happened in the wake of these rulings this this like kind of liberal reaction to the fact that to the fact and they're right to be angry about the fact that they're being essentially governed by a small minority of people who are very densely geographically located in the South,

that is where like the bulk of the support for the hard rights policies comes from, um and it's led to this like fuck Texas, fun Florida. Fuck uh, these these quote unquote like red dates, these regressive states, which is this deeply problematic for a number of reasons, including the fact that you know, if you just want to look at it in terms of party politics. Uh, there were more people who voted for a Democrat in Texas in the election than live in either the state of

Oregon or Washington. UM. These are densely populated places with tremendous amount of people who are people of color, who are trans who are you know, in some way threatened by this weird Cristo fascist bullshit that is increasingly clamping

down on the country. And so today I wanted to talk with some folks who will live in and around the Dallas, Texas what we call the df W area Dallas Fort Worth, UM, and who have lately been organizing to kind of both confront this, uh, this rising Christo fascist like the street aggression portion of it, and to provide support in defense um for people who are are being victimized by it. So I'd like to welcome some representatives of the Elm Fork John Brown Gun Club to

the show. Hey, y'all, yeah, do to kind of introduce yourselves to to start, however you'd like to be known on the show. I'm Satan, I'm bubble Satan and bubble

um and how long have y'all been like doing? Because there's there's two specific things that kind of I don't know, I became aware of y'all and and we had some brief interactions, right, It's some brief interaction with some of your folks during the the snow thing that that destroyed everything, um, and so I've been kind of watching y'all socials ever since. And there were a couple of things recently that struck me as very uh worth discussioning actions that you y'all

were a part of. One of them was there's a neighborhood in Dallas called Oak Lawn that is kind of colloquially known as the gighborhood. It is like the um, the gay neighborhood in Dallas obviously, and so it's a place that you know, even before kind of things got a little easier after twenty um, it was kind of a safe place and a little bit like of a of a of a fortress for like people who are not you know, straight and cist gender, which is and kind of are you know, for for an idea of

how aspects of the df W area can be. The town I grew up in, Plane, Oh, had a condoms to go move in and within like two nights of setting up shop and plane, somebody fired a nine millimeter handgun through the window. Like it's not a it's a place where it could be difficult. Um. And so obviously repression and kind of violence and fears of vigilante violence UM from folks who are queer has is understandably amped

up in the wake of everything that's been happening. And y'all carried out an action where a sizeable group of leftists marched armed through the gighborhood. Um. The one of them, there were a couple of different chants that that I was hearing. One of them was, um about bashing back something like that. You want to talk a little bit about like that action and what actually went to out. Um. Sure, So at the beginning of Pride Month, we had a

large group of fascists come to the gahborhood. Um, you know, they were shouting groomer, they were telling us the fist of Christ is coming down on you soon, and um, you know, making really out their threats. So we discussed, um, you know, what we could do to be proactive to make sure that doesn't happen again. Um, And we ended up getting together some groups who were interested in an armed demonstration, which even here in Texas is not something you see too often. Um. And we decided to march

through the gahborhood. You know. Um, I would say a majority of the people that we know are LGBT and it's our neighborhood. So you know, we put on this demonstration there and it was, you know, kind of incredible. We got some looks, but we also got a lot of support. Um, we had a lot of great chance. Um. You know, bottoms tops, we all hate cops. There we go. Yeah, yeah, that was the that was the one that was in

the video. Um. And so what was the uh I'm interested in kind of because I think this is the kind of thing that is potentially very useful. We we

have seen. One of the things that I have personally observed and that has been observed by a number of folks, is that when these kind of right wing mobs who primarily want people who cannot defend themselves, who don't have the numbers to defend themselves, they want to like beat the ship out of people in a gang, right Like, that's that's the proud boy thing, that's the Patriot prayer thing. That's all these weird little groups. Primarily what they want

to do. They don't want a fair fight, and when they are confronted with organized people on the left who are armed, that tends to scare the ship out of them. And if I'm not mistaken, during that day where you had those Christian fascists kind of coming after um that Queer family event, like one of the one of the live streams that one of the right wingers had, people were some of them were like commenting on the fact that there were people leftist open carrying and like how

unsettling they found that. Um So, I'm interested in kind of how the idea to we're gonna do this, have this kind of a march, you know, through this neighborhood we're going to make sort of a show beforce. How that idea kind of came together? And then what logistically did y'all like feel the need to set up, Like I'm gonna guess it wasn't as simple as like hey, everybody with a gun, like come come meet here and

we're gonna have us a walk. Um So, I'm interested in kind of what the logistics are because I think this is the kind of thing that people other people are going to want like find useful to do, like statements of we are here, we have the tools to defend ourselves, and we're not going to just passively let

you run through our neighborhoods fucking with us. UM. I think logistically one of the big things was just making sure that you know, everyone who was carrying was carrying properly, and then also to protect our own selves, making sure that whoever was carrying was also protecting our identity by wearing essentially full black walk UM, which that in itself

sends a message. You know, a bunch of queer people marching through the streets of Dallas and full black walk with guns UM sends a message like we're not going to take your ship. We're done. You know you're not gonna mess with our bodily autonomy. UM. That march happened, We had planned it to be on that day originally, and that happened to be the day that Roby Wade was overturned UM, and it essentially just evolved that morning

to a more intersectional body bodily autonomy march. But really logistically it was mostly about protecting ourselves and making sure that people who weren't carrying the firearms were also protected from our firearms. Yeah, I want to dive into that a little bit because that's such an important aspect of it, is the ensuring. Say, I have seen a lot of marches, and I will be honest, I've seen a lot of people being armed on on both sides politically who have

done things with guns that I would consider reckless. Probably the top moment in my mind is during a big march in Portland somebody leaned over and a glock fell out of the front pouch of their hoodie that they were just head loose in there. Um yeah, um. So obviously it is not as it should not be as simple as like, you know, load up on guns and bring your friends, so to speak. How do you attempt to ensure like how like how do you actually go about handling the safety aspect? Is it? Like? Are you

appointing essentially kind of like range officers? Before the march, we were keeping an eye on ship like what does that actually look like? Um? I want to I want to give two examples for the march we did the neighborhood. Um, it was different in that it wasn't publicly announced wearing um who was going to be. So it's kind of by invitation only demonstration, so we knew pretty much everybody that was coming, except for people in the neighborhood who kind of joined ad hawk. UM. So that's one way

that we've done things. When we do more of like uh protest security for other actions. UM. You know, there are different people who will feel motivated to bring UM arms and usually they know what they're doing pretty well. In a couple of instances where someone is being unsafe, UM, you know, one of us will just go over there and talk to them, you know, like, hey, you you really need a sling uh for this, or you know, don't don't be uh pointing it in any way at

a building. UM. Just little tips like that too, you know, resolve the behavior. So when it actually comes to like uh because because one of the things like whenever you have sort of a gathering like this is de escalation and even within people within the march potentially like dispute resolution and that sort of thing, what was the how how did you kind of organize for that, Like what was the planning on that? And like, um, I think

that's a really important question. One of the first things that we decided pretty early on is that we are not there to police any protesters. So you know, if someone is is doing something illegal, uh, And no, at no point where we you know, tell them to stop or try to make them stop. We may move away from the area or something like that, but we're not

there too police our people at all. When it comes to like counters coming up in antagonizing, the main thing we do is try to put ourselves between them and any people they're targeting. Um. And you know, we have cameras, we have less than lethal, we have different tools to

try to deescalate that. Yeah, And so when it comes to like, uh, I guess training on that and did you kind of did you have any sort of like um um infrastructure, human infrastructure what not set up prior to this to like make sure people who were like doing de escalation were folks that you knew, you know, had some level of understanding of it, or folks that

you could trust. Like how was the actual how do you actually because I mean it strikes me that there is a great deal of like trust that's necessary to put together something like this. To be able to meet up with folks and and like march armed together requires probably a little bit more in in the way of of of trust than you know, just showing up at

a protest um that's kind of more conventional. Um. Was there sort of some in any kind of like I don't know, system or or like yeah, train or what not that y'all had four specifically like how to behave how to de escalate all that kind of stuff. Or was it just like folks that kind of you knew from from prior events were good at that sort of thing. I mean, as far as our group goes, UM, I can speak for myself personally and say that I trust

each one of our people with my life. UM. And I think because of that, and because we were really the ones putting it on, like we knew that if something were to go down, one of us would get in the middle of it, and we all trust each other.

I think that in any sort of organizing environment, trusting trusting the people that you're working with is one of the most vital things that you can do because they're going to be the ones beside you when a proud boy rolls up, and you want the person beside you to be someone that you can trust. UM, And we do that. We do have you know, we we do practice, and we do train together, and um, we also have

fun together. And having that certain level of trust means the world when you're putting yourself out there in that way. And how long of the folks that are kind of like you, we're most affiliated with like making this happen. How long have y'all been sort of organizing and doing

stuff together. I would say most of us met, since a lot of us met in organizing different facilities during after the Droid Floyd protests and then through ye just to boom in mutual aid that happened in DFW after that, whether it was through homeless outreach or uh, you know, bail bonds or however we met each other, it was mostly through that mutual aid community and getting out in the our communities and organizing ourselves and trying to find

like minded people who wanted to see the same change happened. Now. UM, I think one of the uh, one of the things that's been on my mind a lot lately, and that that y'all particularly bring up, is the challenges of organizing in parts of the country where not just you know, the police who are always pretty regressive, but the entire legal structure is set up to as Florida has increasing the dosal number states have done like punished protests, penalized

activism make things more dangerous for for for people who are like going out there in public in addition to doing things to try and criminalize you know, people who are are are not uh straight, you know, white Christians. UM. So, when you look at like kind of the challenges of organizing in a place where it's more dangerous, and obviously it's it's not particularly safe to be organizing against you know, the l A p D. But the court system in

California is broadly speaking less stacked against you. Um So, if you had advice to give to people who had don't have this group of friends and people they've been organizing with for a couple of years already, but they want to have that, they want to build that in their community, where would you suggest they start? Um? I always tell people that it starts by showing up um to all kinds of events, you know, supporting a broad

range of groups. And you know, if you're at the protests, if you are at the feedings, the distributions, um, You're gonna meet people and you're gonna build trust um, mutual trust there UM, so that you know, when you want to start a project, you want to start a group, you'll have those people that know you. Um. It is very dangerous. Uh. I think it's always important to tell

people to watch your op set. You know, don't be re sharing all kinds of activists stuff with your personal profile that has your name and your birthday and all of that. But yeah, it really goes to meeting people

in person, I think. Yeah, And um, I mean that's such a difficult part of it because I think for a lot of people, particularly maybe are living in rural areas who are living, um, kind of outside of places that have well formed protest communities, social media and the internet is is a lifeline for them and often in a lot of cases like how they came to a lot of the political beliefs in a desire to do something. Um.

But you're right, like you can't. You have to actually get like face to face on the ground with people to actually build the kind of relationships that can lead

to the sort of activism that y'all are doing. And that's that is a tough needle for a lot of people to threat I think, and you know, in those more rural communities, if there's not already those systems in place, you know, set up a monthly male distribution with the local homeless shelter or the local homeless camp, and if you you know, can get a few friends, more people will show up and you can build that community yourself,

even where it's not existing already. UM. It's more about just finding those like minded individuals that are are existing in your community and getting to know your neighbors. Yeah. I think to trust your neighbors. I think that's a great as far as the plan of action goes as good as you can get for at least starting down

that road. UM. Before we kind of move on from this specific action, I did want to talk a little bit about the conversations you had both with like people who lived in Oaklawn and also with um, you know, passers by. I'm wondering, like, UM, did you have any that particularly surprised you or that particularly stick out to you right now? I personally was a little bit more

surprised with the amount of support that we received. UM, just because while Oaklawn is the neighborhood is generally more blue liberal, yes, part town, very anti gun typically, Yeah, very Yeah, to see you know, people sitting on the patios of the bars carrying for us while we were walking by. Especially as someone who has been you know, grown up in that area, it meant a lot. You know. It really shows almost like the cultural shift that we're going as far as let this politics go, if people

are going to be supportive of us. Yeah, that's really interesting to hear. And now I were there, did you have any kind of interactions with sort of I don't know, people who were who were more conservative or more on the on the center right side of things. I think we had a couple of people who were kind of filming and frowning. It's always hard to tell. Yeah, in that case, but no one really said anything to us.

That's interesting. Yeah, And now that was that what that kind of brings me to the next topic, which is how how how did Dallas how to DPD handle this um even hardly out of our cars and multiple police cars surrounding us while we were just unloading UM. They were constantly trying to guess where we were going with the mark um by cutting off streets and trying to like escort us and like you know, blocking traffic and

things like that. But but we were there less than five minutes before I would say at least four police cars were surrounding us asking us questions. They were pulling out their guns like we were a threat. Geez. Um, well, I mean, yeah, that's that doesn't surprise me. Um. Did you have any kind of like direct is did they send like the p I O s up to try

and you know, talk with organizers or whatever? Um? So they did right at the beginning, and I think that interaction went really well, um because they approached us as we were getting ready, and they said, you know, what group is this, Who's in charge, who's who's leading? What are your plans? And you know, every single person who was there was disciplined enough to either say nothing or say no plans, there's no group, there's no leaders. And

you know after that, they kept their distance. They did not really interfere more. Yeah, I mean that that is one of those things, um, that police I don't know. I've always found it useful too when you are having when you have to have an interaction with a police officer, and um, sometimes it is unavoidable, like you need to kind of focus on like what are the things that they need to hear for this interaction to like end

um and d you know, not in them getting violent. Um. And I think it sounds like, yeah, you you y'all handled it perfectly, like that that was the right way for everyone to react, like you were. It is Texas, Like it's not like it is at all illegal to

walk around with guns. Um. So yeah, I mean that that sounds that sounds again I'm impressed by kind of both the boldness of the action but also the discipline that that was required to actually that was required like from the ground up right, not not because like there was some sort of like vanguard leadership exerting force downward in order to actually make this work safely and in a way that that left hopefully and it seems like this is the case people who live in the area

feeling broadly speaking pretty good about it. I would say that, you know, since the march, in particular just in DFW and its entirety, the support that we have received has been almost overwhelming. Um. You know, people now recognize the people in black Walk as being safe and they're going to help us. If I need something, I can go to them, and that's the whole purpose of community defenses. Having Michael would be to have everyone be that person.

Now the other thing I would wonder because it's I you know, I've spent a lot of time at black block protests, but generally the in Portland, Oregon, where a hot day is like eighty degrees, Um, y'all are in fucking dfw UM. Those those summers are no joke. And wearing the gear that y'all are wearing, is UM a

potentially dangerous thing? Right? Like was there was there? Was it kind of individual or left up to affinity groups to like figure out hydration and stuff, or did you have people who are kind of watching folks and reminding them and like trying to ensure that like that part

of it was handled. Because that does strike me as a specific risk in this case, most of us do have UM at least minor street medic training UM, as well as our own hydration kits, and we all carry extra electrolytes and things like that for people who may not be part of our group who may also need assistance. UM. That's the big part of it here in Texas is that's that's the main risk with protesting the summer is the hydration heat exhaustion stroke. Yeah. You know, we do

recommend that the people who are in black block where moisture. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, Marino is your friend if you can get it. Yeah. But you know, we all of us are you know, at least trained enough to recognize those symptoms. We make scenes that we can pass out to people, UM about how to protest safely in the summer, in the heat specifically.

That's great, so much more dangerous. Now. One of the things I've been seeing recently, and this is I'm guessing from a more recent march, was that the photo going around that's kind of kind of viral on right wing social media of UM. It's a black and white photo. There's uh an individual UM with a plate carrier and an a r UM and another individual with UM like a chest rig and what I think is a baretta um carbine um and uh, both of them are at

a reproductive rights march. UM. And there's a mix of really interesting reactions from the right like on this UM and I'm in just didn't kind of yeah your thoughts there. Yeah, so it's it's been really weird. UM. We try to track whatever is being posted about us. UM. Sometimes they can give us intel on people who might want to target us. UM, but we've been noticing, you know, it's like a solid third of right wing comments are kind of broadly supportive. I think it really throws them for

a loop. Um. You know, we we've even seen people saying, actually, bodily autonomy is a lot like gun rights and things like that. It's been really weird. I think, um, being armed might kind of humanize us for some of those people in a way. It's it's been a weird thing. I have thought a couple of times that, I mean a number of times I talked about this on the

first season of It could happen here. I think that there is some like potential to bridge some divides there with kind of the existence of of a of an increasingly prominent left wing gun culture. You know. One of the comments I saw was somebody like going through the gear displayed and being like, actually, no, they're they're reasonably well set up, and like everything seems like this is this is exactly how you'd you know, want to have

it done, and just people being like actually appreciative. And I guess maybe there's a degree to which, like if you're if you're in that community from a right wing side, but not like a straight up fascist side. Maybe there's a potential for like more commonality and like you said, the idea that like, oh maybe some of them will actually broaden their support for reproductive rights. Um, you know,

or at least consider it. You know, I don't know that that doesn't strike me as like a negative move and it it um is, particularly in a place like Texas, you have to try to at least um have some sort of common ground with people who are are more on the right wing side of things, because they's so damn many of them. Yeah, so I think, um, it's one of those cases where when ideological where when ideology gets atomized to just like guns good. You know, that

is like a core belief for some people. Yea, that can draw them to being supportive of pro choice marches in a in a weird way. It's it's kind of a pretty specific kind of brain worms. But seeing it a lot, Yeah, I wouldn't like call it necessarily a positive like it's a it's an aspect of things that are negative, but it's something that also can be like

useful and and potentially positive. Like even though if you get into what's leading someone to like, Oh, I really I re examined my beliefs on reproductive rights because I saw some people marching with guns. That's not like a sign of of a series of thought process that I think is like wildly positive. But at least somebody maybe came around on something better than going the other way. You know, we've been talking about the effects of getting all this right wing attention, and uh, you know, in

a way, that's what we want. We want to advertise that we have strong community defense, and the flip side, you get all these supportive comments and hopefully those people

don't want to kill me anymore. So it's just positive, we think, Yeah, you're I mean, one of the ways in which these kind of protests can increase security for a community, Like one way is that maybe there are people who will get scared off because they don't want to risk like getting shot, And the other is that maybe some people will re examine their opinions on that community because it's now more familiar to them because there probably way too into guns. But yeah, absolutely, so let's

talk about um. There there was a specific action um that kind of the thing that was going around on Twitter was these proud boys trying to get into it believe it was a library, and like a line of parents squaring off with them to like stop them. Um. Can we talk a little bit about that. Yeah, that was in McKinney. Um. It was the day after through v. Wade got overturned, and we honestly didn't know what to

expect when we got there because of mcknny. We were like, are we gonna be very much so outnumbered in this? And when we arrived there was already about thirty to forty people who were either parents or friends of the library there in support and maybe only fifteen or twenty people in opposition. Um. So it was, you know, a pretty good welcoming, supportive environment. Um. And about thirty minutes after we got there is when the Proud Boys arrived.

And we just really only had to tell two people, hey, they're Proud Boys. And before I, before we could even get over there to like block them off ourselves, there were like eight to ten soccer moms in their flip flops, Nike shorts and handmade signs standing in front of them

and blocking them from coming any closer. Um. And of course they did get closer as people were leaving the library and the event was ending and things like that, but it was one of those things where it just organically happened, and it was it was beautiful, like in a place like McKinney, of all places like ip Texas, like place I would expect to find, Like a soccer mom in Nike shorts asked, like, thanking me for bringing my gun to the library. Yeah, that's that's wonderful to hear.

I mean, and people who are not in the d F w U area won't understand this, but like, yeah, I spent a significant chunk of my early life in McKinney, and I would not have expected that reaction there. Um, yeah, that's really really good to hear. And it also is you know. I'm I obviously have been supportive of a number of tactics to confront fascism, including people showing up in block and stuff and and protest or or or

confronting them physically. But I don't think there's any more durable kind of community self defense than than that, than than a than a group of people who are just kind of live in an area and around and curious realizing there's a threat and immediately acting against it, like that's such a that's such a powerful thing. Yeah, saying no, not in my neighborhood. And you know, again, like we didn't expect to have that reaction, which made it that

much better when we saw it. And you know, having those people for the first time in their life maybe even can face to face correctly with fascists probably has a lasting impact on them as well. Like I hope that they keep going to more events like that and keep going and protecting their community from these people. Now, let me ask you, when you have these kind of interactions with folks and when you had these specific interactions with those specific folks, is there kind of is there's

sort of an information spreading thing afterwards? Is they're like, hey, here's who we are, and like where you can find out more about us, um like kind of attempts to like let people know who you are and what you're doing and how they can you know, follow you and whatnot. Like is that a is that is that a part of the activism or was it more just like we're showing up to kind of provide a barrier for these people and like that's not this is not the time

or place for that. It's a little bit of both. A lot of these actions we are invited to, we have kind of made it a point to be known as we are here to help UM. So a lot of times we will get invited or people will send us an event and we will we do usually try to get in touch with you ever's organizing the event to make sure that they are comfortable with us, either open carrying or what they prefer to can still carry and things like that, UM, because it is still necessary

to be polite UM. But then also when we do, we always meet people at these actions who are wanting to get more involved than just that one time, and we do have ways for them to get involved in their community and learn from us. Obviously, Dallas is UM. Its nickname for a long time has been the City of Hate UM, and it is a place that is I mean the city itself is fairly blue, but there is I mean, even within the Dallas area proper a

tremendous amount of people who are like extremely conservative. Obviously, I mean we I don't want to be harping on this too much, but is there a degree to which you are concerned about like attempts at at infiltration and whatnot? Are attempts to yeah, like kind of like you know, to do sort of the the fascist equivalent of what a lot of anti fascists do with right wing groups. There's a lot of concern about that. Um. We just you know, we do the best we can. We think

we've done a pretty good job already. Clearly, Yeah, very careful with um, you know, who were who were in contact with, who were working with. UM. We've had to you know, stop working with abusers a few times. That is a tough one. We don't expand nearly as much as we could, given all the people who want to be part of this particular group. We believe more in you know, many strong groups and try to help people

do that. Um. But yeah, it's a tough struggle. Yeah, I mean that's a that's an interesting because I think maybe a better question for me to ask is is not like, how do you avoid that? But how do you avoid like? Because because the if you look back at the actual history of color Intel pro right and the ship that like Hoover and his his goons were saying to each other, like, the goal was not to

infiltrate every left wing movement. The goal was to make people be so afraid of infiltration that they weren't able to effectively organize, and so that that is I guess kind of the real trick is this. Obviously there's a degree to which you want to be on your guard. You need to be careful. It's it's it's important to be not just ethical, but but like responsible in your op set. But you also can't let like fear of that sort of thing happening just because you're you know,

kind of surrounded in a place like North Texas. You can't let that fear stop you from from trying, right, I think, Um, A big part of that is it goes back to the trust thing. You know, we don't really let people into the close folds until they've come to a few actions with us and they've you know, proven that they're not you know, spilling the beans all over Twitter, and yeah that you know, we know who they are and know what they're about, and then we

involved them a little bit more. Um, it's all about building that trust with the people you're working with. It just goes right back to that is, you know, trust and filts over time. Um, and the longer we all know each other, the more we trust each other and then you know, we are able to have those conversations about welcoming more people in and um, you know, setting up the processes for that now has just on a logistical standpoint, that kind of notoriety i'll have have gained

because of some of these actions. Has it sort of led to like difficulty in terms of we we're dealing with like so many much interest, so many people reaching out to us, like how do you how do you actually like organize kind of that, like how you how you respond to people when ship goes viral? You know, I I know how overwhelming that can be. Yeah, that's been pretty new to us. Um. We've been more used to being kind of your local crew that does things

no one ever talks about. And uh, having a larger profile now is a challenge because we do know, you know, attracting a lot more attend shin you know put some constraints on us. Um, but I think that goes back to why it's important to have a lot of different groups doing a lot of different stuff. Um. You know, you can't just have one uh group, uh doing all the organizing that needs to be done in an area. It's just a bad idea. You know, if a group gets taken out for a variety of reasons. You don't

want everything to fall apart. Yeah, so I guess kind of as we come to probably close to the end of this where there were there are things that I didn't get into that you wanted to talk to about what y'all are doing and kind of what you want other people know, particularly folks who I don't know we're in in Louisville or and you know, fucking Idabelle, Oklahoma, and UM kind of want to feel want to build UM or at least help to help to protect their

community in a place that UM, there's additional challenges in doing so. Yeah, I've seen that recurring events no matter what it is, you know, book club distribution, if there's a place that people can find you regularly, that's a great way to have the kind of people you want to meet, you know, just just walk up and talk to you, UM for me what you know, watching your ops set and also compartmentalizing your information, like if I don't need to know something, I don't want to know it, UM.

And that's a good way to stay safe while also you know, being able to organize and take action because like you said, earlier. The most important thing is the will to do something. If you're just you know, the safest thing you can do is stay in your basement, But then no one will do anything. Yeah, exactly right. Um, was there anything else either of you all wanted to get into. I guess I also want to plug passing

on training. So whatever skills you have, we've taught, um, medical stuff, how to do an oil change, um, how to fire guns stuff, martial arts, you know, unarmed fighting is also important. Um, share knowledge with each other, you know, make each other more powerful in that way. Yeah, that is a I think a great line to end on. Um, thank you everybody else and um yeah, um you can

check out. Actually, you guys want to plug your your your socials, you can follow me at bubble Break on Twitter and um it's kind of out now, but you can follow Anarco air softest we have trained on there excellent and then of course Uhport John Brown Gun Club on pretty much all platforms. Yeah. I never got into TikTok either one of these days. All right, everybody, that's the episode it could happen. Here is a production of

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