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CZM Book Club: The Plastic People by Tobias Buckell

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In this episode of the Cool Zone Media Book Club, Margaret reads Gare a story about making fun of rich people in space.

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Speaker 1

Cool Zone Media.

Speaker 2

Book Club, Club, book Club, book Club, book Club.

Speaker 3

It's the book club. It's the Cool Zone Media book Club. I'm your host, fire, your killjoy, and with me today is my guest fellow. It could well, I'm not in it could happen here post but this is on that could happen here, bead sure is, and that's care. Hello. I read books amazing. I honestly listen to audiobooks at this point. Honestly, oh I do.

Speaker 2

I can't. I can't retain the information with an audio. But at least most of the books I read are just like nonfiction. I haven't I haven't read a novel in years, which I kind of feel bad about. But my job, Warrence, I read just a whole bunch of like really upsetting nonfiction, and like I can't like take notes the same way if I'm listening to an audiobook, I don't know.

Speaker 3

Oh no, that's that's that's true for me. I forget that. My day job is reading history books for podcasts the media. Those I read, yeah in print, I actually really like reading the physical book while pacing.

Speaker 2

But oh yeah, me too. Yeah, I love pacing.

Speaker 3

It's so good. Maybe you're pacing while you're listening to this, dear listener, cools On Media book Club is every Sunday and I read you stories and this week's story is by a friend of mine, Tobias s Bukel. I'm sort of a former teacher of mine who I think is really cool. I met Tobias when he was my teacher at the Clarion West Writers Workshop, and I would just like to shout out that aspiring writers. There's a six

week workshop called Clarion West. There's another one called Clarion I went to Clarion West, so I have a little bit of bias towards it. And it sounds like a reality TV show, But it's not like I spent six weeks in a sorority house with eighteen strangers in Seattle and learned science fiction writing from amazing authors, with a different author every week comes in to teach us. That

sounds cool, Yeah, it was. It's a really good thing for people who are like just at the part of writing where you're just starting to be good enough, but you're not consistently good enough yet, you know, yeah, yeah, yeah, And it really I'm not a formal education person. I don't have any degrees I've been thinking about framing my high school diploma to put behind me in Zoom calls as a joke.

Speaker 2

That be funny, that'd be good.

Speaker 3

But Clarion West Workshop type things is very practical, and Toby is a really good teacher. Toby's bio before we get to the story. Tobias S. Bukel is a New York Times bestselling author and World Fantasy Award winner. Born in the Caribbean, he grew up in Granada and spent time in the British and US Virgin Islands, which influence much of his work. His novels and almost one hundred

stories have been translated into twenty languages. His work has been nominated for awards like the Hugo Nebula World Fantasy and the Astounding Award for Best News Science Fiction Author. He currently lives in Bluffton, Ohio, with his wife and two daughters, where he teaches creative writing at Bluffton University. He's online at Tobias Buckell dot com. That's b u c k e l L and dispelled Tobias. I guess

I'll just read the whole thing. T O b I A S b U c k e L l dot com and is also an instructor at the Stone Coast MFA and Creative Writing Program and also sometimes he teaches Clarion West. They should find a year there you go.

Speaker 2

I've been looking at workshops, but been working at clown clowning workshops because there's really because there's no good clown schools on the East Coast except for in New York. And I've never been to New York. So now looking for like regional clown workshops because all the clown schools are in the elitist LA and New York theater scenes.

Speaker 3

It's no good, tragic. It's funny. When I when I first joined the anarchy scene, there was a lot of like radical clowns, and so there was yeah, clown workshops. But I hear that gen Z is like obsessed with clowns, and all my friends are complaining that, like the dating apps are full of like sexy clowns.

Speaker 2

Yes, yes, clowns. Clowns are back in a big way, but we don't have like the the training to support it. There's a lot of like clown aesthetics, but not much about actual clowning. So hope, hopefully they'll be like a clown renaissance, a clownissance, if you will, in the next five years, as more of the Gen Z clowns kind of get educated and are able to start providing their own kind of education to the up and coming Gen Alpha clowns or whatever.

Speaker 3

Would this be at a clnaissance clownissance festival?

Speaker 2

I mean I have I have gone as a jester to multiple renfairs. I've gone with you to a runfair before.

Speaker 3

Yeah. Okay, well that has nothing to do with today's story. But it's a fun story, and that's why I picked it. We've been doing a lot of very serious stories, which are also very good, but I've kind of wanted to do something a little bit more lighthearted to make fun of rich people.

Speaker 2

Oh Evergreen, Yeah, Evergreen fun time, I know.

Speaker 3

And it's actually funny because it's a very classic. It's a very classic sci fi story in so many ways, even though it's modern, you know.

Speaker 2

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3

This story is called the Plastic People. Raya found the feral child on the edge of the garbage park on the last day of the group's vacation. Garrison passed out from drinking the better part of a bottle of one hundred year old is Ley Scotch had dropped a cigar onto the edge of the canvas tent and set it all on fire. I absolutely picked you for the guest aha of this character.

Speaker 2

Yeah. I usually only get Garrison Keeler because there's not very many of us out there.

Speaker 3

Oh, I don't know who Garrison Keiler is.

Speaker 2

I don't know either, but it's the one other person named Garrison in the world.

Speaker 3

Okay, that well, now you know that there's a future Garrison, So damn it, Garrison, Agagnier shouted, as personal air quality alarms blared. You and your fucking retro addictions. There'd been scrambling and shouting among the five old friends as they tumbled out onto the fetid, methane rich air outside. Go easy, It isn't something he can do. Back upstairs, Susie stumbled out of her own tent with a fire extinguisher. Everyone coughed and spat as she blew the fire out in

a cloud of chemical powder. Don't defend him, Agunier snapped. Ten years, Garrison shouted, clutching the almost empty bottle triumphantly. His heavy boots crunched in the ground, knocking styrofoam chunks into the air, and I still love you all. That's the last bottle, Agugnie anger, suddenly as banked as the tent fire on this world, Garrison said, Ever, the last bottle of Islae anyone will ever have, Agugnie said, and

snatched it from Garrison. Raya listened to the bickering with half an ear as the orange glow of the fire faded away. As she'd been sure she had seen something skiter past the shadows on the edge of camp. Something's over there, Raya whispered to Susy by the fridge. London had been listening to them. She pointed in the direction. Raya indicated and snapped her fingers. The night lit up and two drones dropped out of the air. Was using them for dance lights, London muttered, but trash rattled and

slid down the pile. As the intruder scuttled away from the stunningly bright light. Raya shielded her eyes and tried to follow along. As the drones ducked and weaved around the compacted hills of old earth debris cornered it, London said triumphantly. Is a bear? Garrison asked, blearily. It's a bear right there. Are no bears, idiot, Susie said, they're extinct. London said. Raya clambered one of the unsteady trasholes they'd

parked the tents between. I see it, she said. It was a little boy, streaked in grease and mud, ribs, visible as the drone lights played over him. His wide, dark eyes stared fearfully at her as he tried to hide behind a cracked porcelain tub. Oh my, London said, clamberin over behind Raya. The poor little thing. Does he live here? Susie asked, disgusted, how we just spent three days. Garrison said it's not that bad, idiot, Susie said, it's a shithole. It's miles and miles of trash. It reeks

everywhere I step. There's old world crap. I agree, while it was fun to see what the old world was like. Agougnie threw the last bottle of his lay off into the dark. It shattered against something invisible out there. I think maybe it's time to call it. Let's go home. I'm tired of the gravity. Susie agreed. It's oppressive. We can't leave the child here in the trash. Raya protested, Garrison groaned, Oh, come on, that's what it's like down here. You know this. They'd flown down into the heart of

the dump for their mini reunion. Partying in an exotic location would make an incredible story. All the termites down here can survive just fine without our help. They love living in places like this, Susie said, don't think you're doing it any favors. Living here must be a hell. It's a hell they chose to make, Garrison said, this is all theirs. They made it. They knew how to live in it. Raya clambered her way over rusted out heaps and winced when something jabbed through her boots into

her skin. She'd had all our shots, though, a prerequisite to coming down. Hey there, she said softly to the scared child. His hair was matted and clumped. He was so covered and muck that he almost blended into the night. She held out a candy bar in her right hand. The child snatched it from her, shredding the plastic wrapping as he ripped into it with jagged teeth. What's your name? The child just stared at her. Raya held out a hand. Would you like to come with us? He scuttled back

from her and right into a Guigne's arms. He circled around and snuck up from behind. The child wailed and screamed, but he was a small creature, and Agugnia tucked him under an armpit with a quick smile. Shall we go? Everyone agreed that it was time to end the party, and with Reya placated, the reunion trickled back into the shuttle for the trip home. Susy strapped into the pilot's

seat and activated a return sequence. The main engines lit up and scattered all their camping equipment off to mingle with the rest of the trash park as a silvered ship thundered into the sky, with the fair old child screaming all the way up to orbit. Raya tried to give him a chocolate bar, but he ate the wrapper and bar pointed teeth, ripping into the whole package, then puked it up all over the cabin. You're cleaning that up, Susi shouted, as Reya tried not to throw up herself.

And if you want candy bars, we were sponsored by candy, sponsored by Big Candy. That's right, we got we got the twenty twenty three Wonka sponsorship. So line up outside every every every fifth, every fifth bar gets you one ticket to book Club in your in your ears though you have you still you still have to plug in through the headphones. But you'll be allowed to listen to book Club. Yeah. So yeah, as long as you buy enough candy bars, that's right, offer them to random children.

And here's those ads, and we're back scrubbing the mangy child. Clean took five I have domestic assistance an hour. It fought free of the butler's first attempt, and he'd called in the chef and three clean team professionals to get the kid into the tub. They washed the dogs in Mighty tim Gonzo, and Ophelia, the three poodles, usually the ones unlucky enough to get hauled into the plastic tub in the middle of the mudroom, off by the kitchens. Barkden ran around in the middle of all the chaos,

making the most of the fun. He's a wiry one, the butler observed. Stronger than you'd think, it's all that full gravity, the chef said, drying herself off. Rayo watched the chaos unfold on a tablet, patching into the house video feed while enjoying a calming soak and the marble trimmed upstairs bathroom attached to her unit as she scrubbed away the stink of the old world and half digested

candy bar. The gold leafed Florida ceiling windows in front of the bathtub framed the stars beyond, a stunning view when she stopped to think about it. Mostly she found that it kept entrancing her personal assistant, so Ria usually kept the window darkened. On one of the other orbital cities, Raya spent the night with a man who had his whole bathroom floor transparent. You could look down on the mother planet slowly passing by underneath every minute while taking

a shit. Her view won for class. His was the one everyone talked about at the party. Raya stood up and toweled herself off handy. Her pa had a selection of evening gowns waiting in her room. The one with microblades that could produce enough lift to waft around her legs at a pre programmed height got the nod. Then it was off down the hall to mother's dining room, where she was fussing over the layout. Why is there an extra seating alas demanded, hovering over the table as

a chef directed the setup. It's for the child, we found, Raya explained. Her mother looked utterly perplexed, so Raya showed her a picture of the sight and one of the child screaming as they rocketed back up to orbit. It's a farll, Raya said, living in the garbage dump. We went to the dump. Alaise looked horrified. You went down, Susie piloted it. It's safe. How much did that cost? Elise's horror had turned into a vaguely scandalized expression. Raya

had to think about that a second. It was Susie, you know her father owns the shipping. Recognition flickered across Eliza's face. That's Susie exactly. Most of the founding families knew each other well enough by first name, but mother always struggled with the names of Raya's friends and which kid matched to which parents. They were just a blur of little people in and out of the house to her. Of course, the house staff knew Rhea's cohort by name.

They'd served them enough dinners and requests over the years. Bring the child in, Raya ordered, and then to her mother. You wouldn't believe the squalor we found the poor thing in. Well, it is the old world, Elise said. There's a reason we left. Look at what they do to it. It's barely inhabitable. It's hardly a child's fault. It was born to it. I've been saying for years we should just put birth control and all the medicine we shipped down

there from the factories. Don't be so ghost. Rahea rolled her eyes. You always tried to rescue strays. Remember that little kitten you found over by the garment factory mittens. Raya clenched her jawl. You had it put down. I told you, sweetie. The cats have gotten out of hand in the green ways. They're killing everything and throwing the ecology nets off kilter. We keep having to poll species out of storage to repopulate the gardens. Oh it's here.

The little boy stood at the servants doorway, two domestic assistants behind him. With hands on his shoulder. They cleaned all the dirt off of him. He was pale, almost sickly so and so skinny that his shirt and trousers flopped baggly around him. One of the domestic assistants had brushed out as long, stringy hair and braided it. Oh look at how nicely we've we cleaned him up, Raya said, you're supposed to return a baby bird to the nest. Alise whispered to Raya as she sat down. Doesn't this

Pharrell have parents? Raya caught her breath. She hadn't thought about parents. She's just seen a near starving child enacted not good ones if he was living in a dump. It stays in your quarters, Alise huffed. I don't want it anywhere near my rembrands or the silver, and never ever in my rooms. Come on, little one, Raya waved at the child, come sit with us, let's eat. He approached poor thing so tentatively, much like the kitten Elise mentioned,

nervous about trusting the outstretched hand, unlike mittens. The child pulled out a chair and sat down as instructed. Does it speak, Elise asked the domestic assistance. It screams, miss Raya. Raya patted the child's hand and he flinched. Don't be like that, Raya said, we rescued you. Everything's going to be better now, the child whimpered. Raya looked out over the first course being set out and frowned. Let's get you something so magical to'll cheer you right up, something

you never would have experienced in that nasty dump. Ice cream, Now that was the ticket. Raya ordered it, delivered with chocolate sauce drizzled on the top. There we are, she said, pushing the bowl over. Try this. The child bared teeth. Good God, they're filed to a point. Alisee shuddered. Raya scooped a spoonful of ice cream and held it up. Try it. She took a chilly bite and smiled at him. He nibbled at the spoon when she moved it back over.

Persuaded by her enjoyment, he shuddered as his tongue hit cold, smiled, then ate the rest of the bite. Soon he had his face in the bowl, licking it clean. That's a boy, Raya said. He sampled more food, but right when a Lee's and ray started on their Kobe beef, he clutched his stomach and looked at them with an almost comical confused look, and then threw up all over the dinner table. Alie stood up, threw her napkin down at the mess, and declared, I'm going to visit Lars at Lunar North.

Call me when you come to your senses. The domestic assistant swooped in to clean up the mess and the boy. Raya, in a funk, retired to a room to brood over what had gone wrong. She had started this with the best of intentions, but it wasn't going to plan now. Her mother had her judgy face on. The domestic assistants looked annoyed, and she could hear the child screaming and fussing away from somewhere deeper inside the family estate. Hell, she didn't even know the child's name. One of the

engineering staff came back in with the boy. We weren't sure where you wanted him to stay. Before Raya could say anything, the child ran toward the window at the back of the living room. Earth, he said, pressing against the thick glass, his large brown eyes filled with tears.

He can speak, Raya said, Thank goodness. She'd started to worry that maybe the pharaohs back down on the planet had started to lose the capacity to speak, but that didn't make any sense, as they all purchased medicines, weapons, and other supplies for many of the family businesses that still did trade below them. She assumed that you had to be able to speak to do that Earth, the child said, back to that nasty dump, Raya shook her head. Look around you, look at everything I can give you.

I rescued you. The wealthy had left Earth long ago, moved manufacturing to orbit, moved all their wealth up, even scraped off all the good soil so they could grow whatever they wanted an orbit. Some people felt they had abandoned Earth or turned their backs on its suffering that only the very rich could afford to get to orbit, and that they'd walked away from their responsibility to be stewards. It was the ancestors of the wealthy who had done

so much damage on their way to being rich. Ray's family. It was mainly held that if one really wanted to work hard enough, anyone could get into space. Those left behind had simply not applied themselves. This child's ancestors had not applied themselves, but Raya had rescued it. The least the child could do was show some gratitude. Instead, he wiped snop from his nose at and sniffed at the window until Raya's patience broke. The only word the child

seemed to know was Earth. She left the estate for a walk to clear her mind and meet up with a Gugne for some actual conversation. And if you want your golden ticket Garrison to Space, every fifth candy bar.

Speaker 2

Every fifth candy bar, new new Musk branded Wonking candy bar is coming sued.

Speaker 3

That's right, I'll.

Speaker 2

Get get you a free a free trip to Bars one way one way ticket though.

Speaker 3

God, wouldn't it be great if I'm I'm all in favor of Elon Musk personally attempting to get to Mars with all the richest people in the world.

Speaker 2

Oh yeah, yeah, No, I'm all for one way tickets to Mars.

Speaker 3

Oh, I don't think they'll make it. Oh really well yeah, I mean I'm not big into gambling, but I would be so happy either way. Then I would absolutely gamble on this.

Speaker 2

No matter what happens, everyone wins.

Speaker 3

It's yeah. I think the best would be is if they like set up really nice stuff on Mars and then die and then when you know, people try and go there, there's like nice stuff anyway.

Speaker 2

Yeah, that would be cool, But I think you're putting little too much faith in their infrastructurability. Yeah, that's build set up nice stuff on Mars in the first place.

Speaker 3

Yeah, I've seen how badly their cars are made. I love that we're supposed to be impressed by their space rockets, as if, like before I was born, we hadn't put a human onto the Moon by way of yeah math done by women with notebooks.

Speaker 2

No, I mean we had like wizards in the Nevada Desert, like launching rockets with like Crowley's space journals in like the nineteen forties, which led to the space program. And these fuckers can't manage to get something up into orbit consistently. Yeah, pretty pretty, pretty funny stuff. Yeah, because they're all fucking grifting each other anyway, what's not a grift? Are actually

a lot of these ads are probably these ads? Yeah, here they are, and we're back into the economic system that we all live in.

Speaker 3

Here's the story. Airwon orbitals carefully landscaped gardens, curved up until they met the ceiling, a transparent metal that let you look in toward the center of the orbital where the heavy infrastructure and docks all clustered around a needle

shaped hub. The ring shape of the orbital let its spin, and the insides of the hoop dripped with greenery that teams of biota specialists worked overtime to keep in balance, getting a forest to stay alive against cosmic rays, occasional pressure losses from punctures, and the gyrations of a life support system closed in so tight that problems cascaded around

in dizzying complexities. Reya had studied systems management for a whole agonizing three months, idly toy in with the idea of becoming part of the ecosystem management team on one of the orbitals, but five minutes near a sewer processing plant deep in the bowels of Erewhon had her change her mind. She joined her father's team of orbital arbitrage specialists, flipping futures contracts based on complicated home and transfers and cargo manifests through cis lunar space, a much more dependable

income stream, not that she needed much. The family endowment created back when her great grandfather lived on Earth and decided to start building orbitals as a lark with the extra billions lying around would always take care of her. You had to do something or life became awfully boring. Quickly enough, Agugner met her in the scent garden, running his hands over lilacs and breathing them in with a smile. Hungover or still drunk, Hi, hello, t you, Reyes said,

stopping by a striking clump of mini cedar trees. No, I'm high, Agunya took a deep breath. Come on, Agugne, really after a treat like the one we had. Agugne smiled and joined her by the cedars. Just a small buzz, take the edge off. Susie's still mad at you. Susie wouldn't speak or turn messages right now. She'll get over it in a week. That little creature threw up everywhere. Agunya picked up a stick and scratched at it. The smell of cedar filled the air between them. Then I

threw up. It was a horror movie in there. It'll take more than a week. Ray A sighed. Maybe I need to send her an apology. Ah, there you go, something decadent and not easy to find anywhere. An air on. Agagnier took out a lighter and ceremoniously handed it to her. I'll have to have my people think of something, Raya said, flicking it off and on. It would be a good thing to set her personal assistant to She hadn't spoken to him since she'd stuck him researching equipment for the

trip that caused this whole mess. That's the spirit, it's the personal thought that counts, Agugnier said. That should help her forget all the vomit in her hair. He looked pointedly over at the cedars. The child's still throwing up. Raya confessed, it's pissing me off. I try to do the right thing and it goes all wrong. It's the story of my life, a gugnie. Everything is always a struggle. Raya held the lighter up to one of the branches

in front of them. The flame flickered as it scorched the bark, and they both patiently waited for it to catch and quicken. You know, Agugnier said, thoughtfully, as the tree began to burn, you might need to get checked over. Mmm. Raya stepped back as the flames left higher. A doctor, you didn't take the child through customs like they have to, he nodded at the ground's crew, respectfully approaching with extinguishers. A gunie held up a hand so they stopped twenty

feet away and waited. Oh shit, Raya said, we could have all been exposed to some exotic earth bug. Agugnier said, I'd get yourself checked up, or you might be the one vomiting everywhere we had our booster shots. Nevertheless, the smell of burning cedar made her mouth water. Raya made an appointment to have a doctor come in tomorrow, and she left the gardens to go have dinner with a Gugnie, a floating restaurant with a liquid menu nestled into, of

all places, the docks at the center of Arawon. What do you think the ground's crew would do without us, Agugnie wondered. Later, as they hung in the air near an old wooden deck taken from some famous once sunken ship, and sucked at galact swirls of soup carefully deconstructed in the air between them, Raya poked a dumpling with a finger and watched it wobble its way towards the guignet's nose. He dipped his head at the last second to bite

at it, but it tumbled away from his chin. They wouldn't have a job if it wasn't for us, Reyes said, we'd have to send them away where we're an orbital. It's not my job to think about those things. Raya protested and splashed broth droplets at him. The doctor came much later the next day, held up by an accident at the docks or something silly like that, and by then the vomiting kid had been passed from assistant to assistant all through the house and then exiled to one

of the pool rooms. But after a painful blood draw and some checks on his machine and a few scans, the doctor looked over his glasses to clear her. The scan results on the glasses, full of complex imagery, reflected off his green eyes. Everything comes in normal, and you had your full compliment of booster shots before you left. Thank goodness, she said. But I'm glad you checked in. Can't be too safe. He started to pack up his equipment. I'm so relieved, Raya said, letting out the breath she'd

been holding as she waited for the verdict. I thought maybe the boy had given me something. The doctor turned back, eyebrows raised, Raya groaned and rolled her eyes. No, not that it's the child we brought back up with us. He keeps vomiting. Well, maybe I should see him, the doctor said. Raya sighed, okay, sure. She explained how they'd found the child as she led the doctor through the hallways to the pool room. The large clear blister that

held the pool bulged out beyond Erowan's metal hall. If you dove down into it, you could look out along the outside of Arawan, or down at the Earth. You could swim out into space. The domestic assistance had put the child in one of the bamboo cabanas around the pool, but he was sitting on the edge of the pool and looking down through it to earth home. He asked, a whole new word since she'd last been around him. Yah idly wondered if they were indeed passing over his home.

As she looked down through the pool at the blurred land masses below them. Raya took out her diamond tipped heels and sat with her feet in the water as the doctor ran scans and then had to fight with the boy for a blood draw. He's malnourished, was the pronouncement. And you've been feeding him the wrong food. The wrong food, Raya frowned. I don't understand. We gave him the best food. He ate our table. The house chef prepared the meal.

The doctor carefully unwrapped a candy bar and handed the wrapper over The child chewed on it, his sharp teeth, shredding it quickly before he swallowed in a noisy gulp. He's modified, the doctor said, his tone patient and completely polite, yet infuriating. Somehow all the surface folk are since the turn of the century. There are microbes that eat plastic. Those capabilities were grafted onto the human genome. He eats plastic. They had to do that or they'd all starve. Don't

you remember this from history class? History class? He remember the exodus, her great grandparents, leaving the messy, despoiled Earth behind for the skies and other planets. Boring talks about translunar independence movements, the old democracies failing on Earth, and the great die offs. She vaguely remembered something about plastic. She should have paid more attention, but Eric had sat next to her in history, and she'd been so distracted. I guess I need to call Susie and see if we

can put him back down, Raya said. Finally, Susie couldn't do it. Her family had found out she'd use the ship without clearing it, and she was haha grounded. Nothing Raya could say about humans being modified to eat trash in order to survive after being left on the surface made a difference. The child was stuck on air one. Garrison agreed to come over, but he didn't have anything to offer other than too many attempts to touch her

hands or knee or get close to her. I think he really needs to get put somewhere where he can eat, she told Garrison. It's not going to be good for him in our house. We don't have that much plastic on a house scale. No oil in space. Plastics came from plants, and it made more sense to eat plants than waste them on packaging. But Raya knew where most of the plastics ended up. Come on, Garrison, help me take him to the vats. Garrison groaned, but she finally

promised that she'd make it up to him afterwards. He was convinced he was going to get laid, but she was really thinking about the bottle of mccollin and the family vault. Or maybe she'd save the priceless scotch and fool around. Sex wouldn't be a bad way to kill some of her frustrations. Later, Garrison helped wrestle the child into a cart and they drove over to the vats,

where they pulled him through the airlock. It reeks. Garrison said, it wasn't quite the trash parks of Earth, but it was the holding area for acres of Erewhon's own trash before it got scrunched off to the recycling vats. Here you go, Raya said, you can live here now, all the food you need. The child looked at her, not getting it go on. It took some convincing, some shouting, and a little subterfuge, but then finally got the boy to settle in between two hillsized mounds of trash, munching

contentedly away on some plastic carry bags. At the airlock, Raya took one last look back. This is where I had to leave Mittens, she said, sadly, Mittens my cat. Oh I wish Raya trailed off, forming her thoughts. I wish our families hadn't been forced to leave Earth and take everything with them. If they'd been allowed to stay, maybe they could have used their resources to help make every make things better. Garrison stared at her, who said

they were forced. Raya frowned. My family, that's he laughed. We left because we could, because we're better richer superior. Garrison hit the button and the airlock doors thudded shut, leaving the earth child alone in their trash. He tried to take her back to the family house, but she

dropped him off at his penthouse. Disappointed, Garrison would be on his own for the night and without the antique Scotch, Raya said on the edge of the pool, looking down at the Earth passing by on each rotation of the orbital's great wheel until it was time for dinner. By then, her vague sense of guilt or responsibility had passed. You couldn't save every broken stray, even with the best intentions, She decided. The duh, is that is that the story? Yeah?

That's the story Alrighty. I like how it's subtle and would really take a lot of work to deconstruct what it's talking about here.

Speaker 2

Yeah, very very lofty, kind of far out, far out ideas. It's it's uh diving into very fantasy, very fantasy.

Speaker 3

Yeah, there's nothing like this as any there's no real world parallels to you know, the way people treat.

Speaker 2

We would never eat plastic. What are you talking about?

Speaker 3

Well, that part is like that's the only utopian part we would.

Speaker 2

They would never put a plastic in our food. What do you eat?

Speaker 1

Yeah?

Speaker 3

Oh god, I wasn't even thinking about microplastics.

Speaker 2

No, yeah, we definitely don't eat a credit cards worth of plastic every week? It's fine, whoa do we really? I might I might be wrong on the week. There. Let's see.

Speaker 3

Is this like the five spiders a year thing or is this like real?

Speaker 1

Yes?

Speaker 3

This is this is this is this is real? No, I do believe it. I mean there's yeah. I think about when I compost where I like, I compost shredded paper and yeah, shredded cardboard, And that means that, like I'm composting things with tiny amounts of plastic in it, because like you know, there's tiny little bits of plastic.

Speaker 2

Yes, every every week we eat about a credit card's worth a plastic. Isn't that cool?

Speaker 3

Yeah? It's good for us.

Speaker 2

Isn't that an uplifting thought about civilization?

Speaker 3

Yeah? I like how we look back at the people who like ate off of lead plates and are like fucking war on.

Speaker 2

Those idiots, those fools Yeah, they didn't know better back then, unlike us, the enlightened modern people.

Speaker 1

Yeah.

Speaker 3

Well, what's funny is we do know better and we just like can't do anything about Well, yeah, because where the We're not Raya and Garrison in this story.

Speaker 2

No, no, we're the trash child. Yes, absolutely. All we can do is make a mountain out of our trash and maybe subterranean tunnels in the trash. I propose a dual power solution to this, where we build out our infrastructure on the trash planet. We're also strengthening our forces to overtake the space ships. But I'm I'm sure the anti sims will just try to blow up the ships in the first place.

Speaker 3

So yeah, and you know, I don't want to like stop them from trying, but I do want to eventually also get the space ships.

Speaker 2

Yeah, yeah, I mean it is. It is part of I think humanity's quest for the heaven.

Speaker 3

I read too much Octavia Butler to be like anti humans figuring out a way to space. I just don't want it to be colonized by the rich bastards.

Speaker 2

We have which is really really the only way to see which unfortunately it's the only way where it's like it looks like it's gonna happen. Because also, if if there was ever like an anarchists space program, it would be sabotaged by other anarchists. It's just not fun. It's just not possible.

Speaker 3

There was a huge UH in the like nineteen tens, and then in nineteen twenties in Russia there were the anarcho cosmists, and they were I mean, it was mostly this sort of weird theological, i mean political movement where they were going to like resurrect the dead and like

have like gay space communism basically nice nice. Yeah, yeah, yeah, but they were some of the last anarchists that the the USSR put up with because they were a little bit like lost in their own heads and not doing much political stuff.

Speaker 1

Yeah.

Speaker 2

That's that's why I I do kind of respect the anarchists to like cling onto Star Trek as like as

like a utopian future despite despite Starfleet's many problems. Yeah, it still is like one of like the better better like end end results for like humanity and even like the Earth, because like the Earth's doing great in Star Trek's future as well, like it it survives total cataclysm and now it's like a very very healthy ecosystem for animals and humans and other animals and plants and fungi and the whales that talk to space signals.

Speaker 3

So yeah, that's why I want to have both. We have to solve the problems of the problem of the rich people, and then we can have both space and a green utopia here on Earth. And in the means, it would be nice. Don't steal old children from places that are places that have been impoverished by first world gun you know, like.

Speaker 2

You know, I can't think of any any examples of rich people coming into improvished areas and just kidnapping children. Now, I cannot imagine where the author might be might be pulling that outrageous idea for.

Speaker 3

Yeah, totally totally out It's just science fiction.

Speaker 2

I will say. I do like the idea of having a bathroom where I can just look down into space in the floor. It's like just like sitting on the toilet, just like staring into the abyss.

Speaker 3

I want to swim in that. See. That's why it's like I want the nice stuff for everyone. I want to swim in the bubble pool that looks out over all of everything.

Speaker 2

Yeah. No, we should we should bring back like like like like the uh like the Roman public baths, but just put just put them in space for everybody. Go have your space bath. No. That that that is the one. Speaking of trick again, When when William Shatner was hoisted up to almost outer space on I think it was Jeff Bezos's penis shaped rocket, he wrote his like his immediate like he he thought he'd be like filled with like wonder and awe, and he's like, no, space is terrifying.

There's nothing there. It's just an abyss of darkness. We need to go back to Earth. Earth is where the life is. Space was terrifying, which I do find to be a very a very fun reaction as well, as you like stare into like absolute oblivion, like the cold death of everything, and you're like, no, no, there's like light on the Earth. Let's go back to her.

Speaker 3

Yeah.

Speaker 2

But you know, if I'm like hungover and I'm puking into a and I'm puking into a toilet, I would also like to just look off to the side into the abyss and like see how I feel about it, you know, Yeah, and then I can decide if I want to go back to puking in the toilet.

Speaker 3

That makes sense. Well, it's because you didn't eden of plastic.

Speaker 2

That's right, that's I had. I hadn't got my credit cards worth in.

Speaker 3

It's a hangover cure that everyone should try. Well, the classic promo at the end of this for us is that we both have podcasts. What's your podcast that you might really do? The feed of already, dear listener.

Speaker 2

Well, I spend a lot of time working on a podcast called it Could Happen Here. One of my more recent projects that I'm proud of is a Halloween special I put together about the Oregon Ghost Conference. And then I also I kind of made a follow up episode about this tech company called mind bank AI who wants to trap your brain inside a computer. So those those projects are are my my most recent favorite things I've

worked on. No, those can be found on the it Could Happen Here feed wherever you get your podcasts.

Speaker 3

I liked the Ghost Conference one. I didn't dislike the other one, but the Ghost Conference was really good.

Speaker 2

It was fun. I had, I had, I had a great time.

Speaker 3

It's fun to hear from a someone who's skeptical around the grift around ghost stuff, but is not like a like raw pure angry atheists.

Speaker 2

Yeah, you know, I'm not like a Reddit like debunker. I'm I Like, I think a lot of these these ideas have some conceptual basis in the way that they interact with like our brain and how we form like phenomenons that create our reality. But also I think the way that a lot of these ghost hunters are going about it is maybe slightly misguided and it's kind of missing the point of what these concepts were like invented

for in the first place. And it is certainly really interesting area to be and when I'm like when I'm when I'm like in these paranormal spaces because I I believe in a lot weirder stuff than they do, but I don't believe in the type of weird thing they do. And it's certainly an interesting thing to navigate.

Speaker 3

Yeah, No, it comes across and it's good listening. And if you're listening to this on that it could happen here feed, you can listen to my podcast that comes out every Monday and Wednesday called Cool People Who Did Cool Stuff, where I talk about history and people who were cool who did cool things. Actually, a lot of times I have to talk about complicated people who look through on the surface and then you realize that they kind of sucked but they still did cool things.

Speaker 2

Because we're all you say that. Are you saying that cool people are not universally good?

Speaker 3

Yeah?

Speaker 2

In every single way about their life.

Speaker 3

Yeah. And if you want to know more about Tobias Bukell, you should google him. And his latest book is called A Stranger in the Citadel. I haven't gotten a read yet, I've read a lot of his other stuff, but John Scalzy, author of the Kaiju Preservation Society, has this to say about his Toby's latest book, with A Stranger in the Citadel, Tobias Bukell writes to the moment we live in with a clarity and urgency that only fable can provide. Read it.

So I will leave you all with that and talk to you next week on Sunday for the Cool Zone Hie everyone.

Speaker 1

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