Cryptids and Curses: Spooky Week #1

drop whenever we need to. James admitting to fingering Bigfoot. Um, alright, that's gonna be an episode everybody of a good week. God bless you. This is it could happen here. This is Spooky Week, right, we're recording our first spook crazed b two God, Um, all right, what do we what do we have for the ladies and not not the gentleman. This one's just for the ladies. I'm gonna say that right now, says hers and slurs. It's it's yeah, we where we got today? What we got today? Robert Garrison

is some stories about cryptids. So I want to start in the autumn of Garrison was not alive and Robert. Now we're much younger, and I want to start in northern California, where one night, three men set out to execute a pretty routine We trade right, dropsyself, get some money, come home. And it's not exactly a secret that at that time and in that place there was a lot of illegal girl operations and it's not exactly a secret. Yeah, yeah,

have you heard about this? I don't know. Yeah, yeah, I mean, like it's number one once you hit about anywhere in like the coastal northern caliph Fornia from like and a cruise on up. Uh, bigfoot is like a topic not even not even really of discussion. But there's just big foot ship all over the goddamn place. Um, from ARCADEA to like Grants Pass is probably the biggest density of bigfoot ship. But it's all throughout or again, all throughout Washington. You get a decent amount in Idaho,

I think too. Um, but yeah, people make a lot of money of big foot. It's even a bigfoot highway up there. But yeah, I was listening to a dogship podcast recently. It's not very good. It's called wild Thing and it's by some former NPR reporter the Squatches podcast. Right, Yeah, she's doing like a Bigfoot thing. It's just not very good. Like there's bits in there where she'll like quote one guy who's like, there's a lot, there's so much evidence

for Bigfoot. If you type big foot into Google, there's like a eleven million results, and that an actual scientist will be like, there's no evidence for Bigfoot, and she just as like, what are we to think? What? Both sides? Both sides? Yeah, yeah, I did not find it very edifying. I was listening to it while I was alone on the mountain this weekend. There are two sides to a Bigfoot story, Robert. It doesn't matter if one of them

is wrong. No, um, it's very fun. But yeah, because I also, the parts of the West Coast that are Bigfoot country are also the parts of the West Coast that grow like more pot than anywhere else on planet Earth. Yeah. Yeah, which is interesting, isn't it, Because these two things may or may not overlap. Yeah, I think they do. But please continue. Yes, so Hulu made I will use to loosely use the word documentary here. Yeah, loose is is good for this, So I again to use a few

words loosely here. So, according to David Holt house journalist, which is again a word I'm using maybe loosely. He does a pretty good job in what he's fine hold house. So the interesting thing about him and what I do kind of like about him, is he's like he worked as a trimmer. Like so the pot industry. The there's the people who moved the marijuana around the country, including smuggle it into places where it's still fully illegal. There's

the people who sell it, either illegally or at dispensaries. Um. There's the people who grow it. And then the largest by number chunk of the weed trade, or the trimmers. And those are the people every season, usually in the fall, come down for three or four months, northern California's southern Oregon mostly and they take raw marijuana that's been like bucked and cut off of the plant and they trim

it into the kind of buds that you buy. UM. And this guy was doing that back in the nineties, and he ran into these stories about a big foot murdering two or three Mexican guys. Yeah, that's exactly it. Yeah, so I think he actually has a really good job in this documentary. Yeah. I I actually didn't think it

was was bad. No, I was ready for it to be bad, but I always quite impressed with So what happened is, Yeah, like Crobert says said, they are these probably migrant probably undocumented workers, right who come well, a lot of them, there's a good chunk of them, probably, I don't know by my estimates. Maybe are like mostly white kids from various parts of the country. A lot of them are folks who are either kind of seasonally unhoused.

Many of them like live in camp basically in places like Arcada a big chunk of the year and then we'll live on farms while they trim. Um. There are a decent chunk who are undocumented. A lot are mong um, Like a lot of are like first, like particularly older among people who like came here after Vietnam and started businesses and then like their kids and grandkids got into

the pot trade. And we're like, well, my you know, grandma and my aunts retired, and they like they living in the woods and are good at trimming, Like we can make a bunch of extra money this way. Um, it's all sorts up there. Yeah, it's kind of fascinating.

So these guys set out to do this deal, right that they're three of the people who fall into the undocumented labor category, and they never come back, and a whole house is sitting in one of these farmhouses or in a trailer or something, when when gouvern guys come in and say, hey, those those dudes never came back and they've been killed, right, they seem to have been sort of pretty brutally murdered, but the we that they were carrying was still there, so it wasn't like somebody

shook them down and stole the weed. Right. And yeah, you, by the way, if it was a weed industry thing, you probably wouldn't because everyone's got a lot of fucking weed. I mean, people do steal weed, but if you're out there doing a murder, it's probably because somebody's fucking with your business in a bigger way than whatever they happen to have on the fucking farm. Like, I wouldn't be surprised if a pot murder would not result in whatever

ship they had in their trailer actually getting jacked. Okay, right then, yeah, because the weeds the thing that everyone has, so at the time, their deaths are largely, if not entirely, factually attributed to bigfoot, right, it's put out there that these people were murdered by Bigfoot. Now they are not the only people whose deaths have been blamed on bigfoot.

Earlier this year, duly Seminole County Sheriff's Office reported the murder of Mr Jimmy Knighton and the press release they said, Larry Sanders has reported killing Mr Jimmy Knighton by the South Canadian River. Sanders and Knighton had been noodling in the river on July. Okay, now, yeah, so give it to me, Robert, you're you're you're from this part of

the world. It's when you stroke a catfish you don't stroke well, yes, basically, it's when you use kind of your fingers as bait and you catch a catfish by the mouth. Right, we call it what a country? Yes, I mean James C. Robert to the kids these days, catch a catch a catch a catfish by the north being something very different. So does noodling, Yeah, or as the Mormons call it, soaking. Sure, there's a great story.

This is off topic, but there was just an outbreak in South Lake City of armpit crabs because so many Mormon kids are having having armpit sex and protection it's awesome. It's so funny. Really, it's not. That's just wow, we're still doing this. We're still doing this, Gere. We're gonna be doing this the rest of your natural life. Yeah, never getting past this ship. This is what the future halls feed decades of arm fucking. So, uh, sand Is

a knighting with They were old school noodling. They weren't online, of course. Yeah, that's that's the best kind of noodling in my opinion. That's what I've heard. So they're at they're at. At some point, Mr sand Is becomes convinced that Knighton has summoned Bigfoot to kill him. Now, that's interesting. You don't hear that a lot. You don't because I didn't Bigfoot was summonable. That wasn't on the table of things that I thought one could do to a Bigfoot.

I mean, I've always thought Bigfoot was summonable, but not for murder. For sex, sure, Okay, yeah, that's why his armpits are so crabby. Well, that's what everyone says about Bigfoot, so you can identify him in a crowd. So at some point Sounders becomes convinced that Bigfoot is on his way and he's going to kill him, and so he unfortunately strangles his noodling partner to death. Well that's tragic, and then noodling partly tragic. Well, guess gonna leave it.

We're it's gonna leave it. We're just gonna move straight on. Yeah, yeah, So yeah, it does sound rather tragic. It does sound rather sad. But he seems to have reported pretty openly that he believed that Bigfoot was on its way and if he didn't stop this ritual, that Bigfoot will kill him. And a lot of as it turns out, things that people can't really expla rain. Often the times when people are in human to other humans tend to be explained

as the actions of monsters. Right, And I want I want to quote from the documentarian, the director Joshua Rope, who made that film. He says, the thing that people should be afraid of is not the boogeyman in the woods. It's our next door neighbors who will usually commit acts of violence that will then terrify, you know, everybody on the block or in the neighborhood. Said that working in northern California was very scary. We did enter a sort

of underworld. You know, for lack of a better term, and you know, we were really mindful to try and not overstay our welcome there. So I want to get into cryptichs a little bit, and I want to get into some some of the more famous ones as well as a curse. I've got a curse here. Yeah. The curse is great because it's invented by the California Park Service. But I want to explain kind of the social functions that they sometimes serve as well as just having some

fun talking about cryptids. So the one that I thought might serve a social function, and probably the most famous cryptid aside from Bigfoot, is our friend the chupacabra, right and yeah yeah In English, that translate to goat soccer, which is okay, yeah, yeah, we're staying we're staying on this bit. I see, yeah, yeah, we're on themes. Not a bit garrison. Its culture, yeah, corporate, not a costume. I'll say this. I'm reading a great book right now

about the goat soccer. No it's it's called The Last Emperor of Mexico, and it's about that Habsburg who tried to become the Yeah yeah, and they hung his assid in like three weeks. It's very funny. Um yeah, good stuff. Huge respect to the people of Mexico. So actually that chupacabra doesn't come from Mexico, comes from Puerto Rico. But oh I didn't know that. Actually, yeah, we get a

little bit about the chubercabra. The perhaps the best source for this, as far as I can find, is this guy Benjamin Redford, who has written a book about the tuber carbre and he shows that nearly all of the eyewitness accounts can be traced back to this one, the first account, which was this woman called Madeline Tolentino in the ninety nineties in uh in Puerto rican Right. So it's also much more recent than I thought. Like, the

tuber Cabra is twenty seven years old. It is said it's younger than me, which is quite remarkable given how much cultural impact has had. Yeah, I thought I thought it was much older. Yeah, be too. I thought it was this like an old tiny border legend, and you're a forty nine James, that's correct. Yeah, yeah, okay, just making it No, Yeah, I'm just I'm just kicking here for a couple more years before I can claim that sweet.

I heeart media Hitchen, get that air p go to the be able to go to the fucking the Sizzler and get five percent off. That's it, man. I'm got to be issued in my nineteen eleven, which you get when you're sixty years old. You get a you get a nineteen eleven and you get a Loui's Gift card and you get to evoke the Second World War whenever anyone is rude to you, even if you weren't in it, and you're you're allowed to drive your car into a farmer's market in the state of California up to twice.

You have to try. After that, you have to move to Oregon. M that's right. So yeah, I'm until my retirement. They I want to talk a little bit about this is tuper copter. So uh, they're fascinating because like with Bigfoot, right there are, as you have mentioned, eleven million Google results, but no actual bigfoots right now, no one's ever found a big foot. No one can present to biggs feet a big big feet? Is that? Yeah? It takes an eye, right, So it's it's from the Italian big feet. That's ready.

That's right. Yeah, Okay, so there are a big feete. But there are tuper carputers um. And the reason there are tuperbras is that what people a chapter right, the name goat sucker. And this this will shock you, Garrison, especially that the way that they are sucking goats is perhaps not the way you would expect. Interesting. Yeah, they're very innovative in this regard. What is happening is people are finding their goats, their chickens, their live stock, with

their throat ripped out. Yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, so it is the way you would most animals need throats, right, it's one of the parts that yeah, they're not interchangeable, they're not. Yeah, they're really it's good to know. This is all really important information. Yeah, so throat free goats, cattle, cheap chickens tend not to survive very long. So a lot of a lot of times people come out in the morning find their animals throatless and dead. Yeah, you could.

You could call it a deep throating. That's where they get it right deep in the throat. So they these animals are dead, and the people claim that they're drained of blood, which isn't quite true. But of course there's there's only there's only two possible explanations, one obviously being vampires um, the other being this being this cript creature. Well only possible things that could be that Subercabra is a vampire. It's okay, okay, okay, so yeah, that's where

the ven diagram overlaps. It's this kind of it's it's got goat like legs actually, but then it's bipedal. It has kind of a human torso and a sort of lizard meets wolf face. It's okay, so we're we're virgin and like Jersey devil vampire terror. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, but it prefers warmer climate. It doesn't like Jersey and frankly, I mean me neither. So ye who doesn't think? Yeah, look, I don't go east to New Mexico, and I don't

think anyone else should either. No, it doesn't. It doesn't care for Bruce Springsteen, and it doesn't want to live in New Jersey, so it stays out west. But it's been reported all over the world. Actually. Now, the couple of interesting things about these supercabra is one is that people have found them, especially in Texas. Right, are you familiar Robert with Texas blue dogs? No? Okay, I'll go

tell Robert something about Texas. So this lady, I don't have her name right down here, she was a Texas nutritionist. And but we do by the way, I will say, when it comes to like cryptids people taught me about in Texas, it was the chopercabra. Oh well yeah, we we.

I mean we're basically Mexico like yeah, yeah, not Ted Cruz, who is the other famous Texas cripted Yeah, but unlike Ted Cruz, this this tuper cabra had actually been to a farm and it had been ripping out the throats of these animals, right, And this lady had a problem with with the animal's throats being ripped out. And then one day she finds a corps of which she presumes

to be a chuper cabra. It is hairless, it looks kind of like a dog, but it has pronounced glands on its bumps, on its back, I guess, and it has thick blue skin. Sorry, what why would you do, Robert if you, if you were living in Texas you come across a dead chuper cabra, I mean, fry it up a little, you know. I hadn't even even some green chili throw that ship on there and just kind

of friar. I haven't even makes sense that one didn't even hit me, but yeah, having yeah, I know, there was a couple of taco spots we went to in Texas, which that might have been what was going on. Yeah, you just get whatever can of me done man or meets meat. Yep, so that's not what the study did. She was a nutrition it is, perhaps so she was a little little worried about nutritional content. She had it

stuffed and it's in her living room today. Okay, okay, it's just like a coyote, like what like what what is it? Well, that's an interesting question, isn't it. Garrison is an interesting questions? Yes, what the what the blue dog seems to be. It's some kind of hybrid of a Mexican wolf and a coyote that has some kind of mange which has made all its fall off. Nearly all of the chupa cabras are are some sort of canine with mange, because mange makes it look like a

fucking monster. Yeah, so like if you saw a giant sphinx cat, you would also think that's the criptace. Yes, yeah, and especially if they've been ripping the throats. Are you animals? Right? Because these poor coyotes and feral dogs and search is so weakened by the main so they can't prey on wild animals, and so they tend to come. Okay, right, it's pretty easy to catch chickens. You can get into the coop, right, because they've got nowhere to go or

to catch goats. And so unfortunately, what's happening is that these dogs, these various canids are getting mange and they are unfortunately too weak to hunt, and so they're killing things like captive goats and chickens. And that is where the tupercarbra miss comes from. Going back to the bipedal tupercarbra though, it's very interesting. That sounds a little bit

more fun. Yeah. So, in the year before the tuper Carbra was seen, there was a film made in Puerto Rico and it was called Species Oh man, Yeah, okay, okay. So unfortunately, the the original eyewitness reports which began the year after that film was released, Yeah, this I've heard, they all perfectly described the creature. It's got the spines

on its back. Radford. Radford is a person doing right in the book Radford said, the resemblance between the creature, which is called Sill in the film, and the tuper cabra is really impressive. So yeah, the the old quadrupedal

tuper cabra, it's a dog with Maine. The bipedal tuper cabra seems to be exclusively explained by this this movie and people's feelings about United States colonialism in Puerto Rico, specifically the number of defense facilities and labs in the un k Rainforest, and their feelings that maybe something like this ship could come out of one of these US labs, because if the US was developing a terrible creature that sucked the blood of people, it would absolutely do it

in one of its colonial properties. Right, Yes, that entirely makes sense. So there's there's in a sense, to chupa carbra, according to Radford's theory, gives a physical manifestation of this feeling of disgust with the the United States. And I got a couple of other cryptids. I was going to talk very briefly about the Beast of Procter Valley, and then I want to talk about the Curse of Body, which is a curse, not a cryptid, but First, Robert, do you know which what will not ambush your lifetock

and rip its throat out? Um? I mean like a like a good sheep dog wouldn't do that. That's right, and that's why this episode is presented by border colleagues. Wow, finally we finally got the big deal with the border collie. Yeah, that's as real complex. That's good. Yep. Just use promo code, Robert Evans when you're buying your border collie attempt and off. Just walk up to a border collie and shout my name in its face. Try to grab its food away from it rapidly too. That's a good way to get

their attention and see what happens. Ye used to be herded. Yeah, so see if it likes that. All right, we're back. I hope you've all got your border collies because this this next, this next crypted is it's a little local one. Okay, So they're a crypted a bit like the Trouper carbro all across the country. But the one that we have closest to San Diego is called the Proctor Valley Beast. And now to understand the Proctor Valley Beast, I think

you've got to understand Proctor Valley. Proctor Valley is exactly the sort of dirt road that you go down when you're sixteen years old when you want to go somewhere with your date, pound a few beers and get away from your parents. Right, these kind of exist all over the country, all over the world probably, and there a little closer. They're close enough to know about, but far enough away to seem weird and distant. Right, And Proctor Valley is a gravel road and you can drive down

at a regular carb. It's pretty washboarded. There's no lights, there's no street lights, nothing like that. Right, these days, your greatest danger when you're driving, riding a bike, or walking or driving down Prompt Valdy Road is the Border Patrol absolutely hauling ass in one of their Ford Raptors, which they seem to have obtained. And I will never understand their love for the Ford Raptor. Yeah it is. I don't know how much those costs, but it is

an obscene amount of money to spend on a pickup truck. Well, it's also like, look, if I'm going to be out in the in the middle of nowhere and trusting an off roading vehicle, my first pick is not going to be the Ford goddamn rap. Well you've got to buy American robot. Yeah. But the Border Patrol, of course they're driving for it's unbelievable. Yeah. Well they always have a

predator drowne hanging out. It can come rescue him. Yeah. Yeah, the Border Patrol and steroid abusers in my old neighborhood in West l A. Shaking hands over the Ford Raptors. Yea, Ford Raptors with illegal things. Yeah, Ford Raptors. The car you can only drive if you have adult onset acne caused as a result of actually hormones into your fucking thigh every night. Yeah. They sell a lot of them in the l A. Coming to Deny. Yeah, well you already need one for, you know, getting down Beverly Hills.

But not the good hormones, like the ones you you steal from the horses blood. Yeah. Yeah, the hormones you take when you're wanting to be more match of but maybe not quite, not quite achieving your gender insecurities. Okay, So legend has it that young couple headed off down Proctor Valley Road one night and their car broke down, so the young man gets out this is a male female couple, and he's going to fix the car, right, And he says to the lady in a very chivalrous

way that she should lock the doors so she's safe. Right. That's the last she hears him. So she assumes he's gone off to get some help, and she nods off. She's got the doorstops very safety knots off and she's a welcome by a kind of scratching sound and the winds howling. Every time the wind blows is a little scratch on the roof. Scratch, scratch, scratch, scratch, scratch scratch, right, wind noise. I'm not going to do the wind noise. And she starts shooting herself right. She's very scared now.

Scratch scrat, scratch, win, win win, scratch scrat scratch. And she stays there till sunshine when she's son up. When she's woken up by the good people of the San Diego Sheriff's Department, San Diego Sheriff's Department of shouting their point of guns that they're doing their thing. Why are they doing that? Because her boyfriend is hanging upside down, dismembered from the tree above her and his nails are catching the top of the car every time the wind

blows him. Right, he's been killed by the Procter Valley beast. Now the producta valley beast is an animal of kind of nondescript shape and size. The in the local radio DJ organized a search for the Proctor Valley beast. Right, people went out at night. Previously, the Proctor Valley beast. Most of the stories it kind of looked like a kind of winged, bipedal, half human, gobbling creature. It changed in form in the seventies when people conducting it's just

kind of a teen radio thing. In the seventies, right, people conducting the search reported finding a deranged cow. Okay, the cow was probably not directed. The cow is just sleeping. Yeah. I've known more cows than most people. I grew up on a cow farm. I've seen them behave in a variety of ways. I've never seen one appeared deranged. That's because they're moving very quickly. Sometimes they're scared, sometimes they're sick. Deranged is an interesting because cows don't really have enough

going on up there to be deranged. Because you didn't grow up in the United Kingdom in a certain period

of time, Robert, when our cows became mad. Well, but that's still I've I've seen cows that have mad cow disease and they're like, they're ill, but they're I don't know, yeah, they're they're not like yeah, yeah, that's they're like getting the name of their eldest daughter, and like as they lose their way home going on violent rampages, they're not asking where their husband, who died twenty three years ago is when they wake up in the middle of the

night anyway, a senile cow that they have to go. They go and live on a farm when they get all the cats. Why you haven't seen him, Robert, I sure do like that, young Rodal Reagan. My cowboys. Yeah, yeah, they they get they get, Oh, they forget things. They vote for Donald Trump, they do a fascism. That's what happens to cows is the only ways cows can die. Otherwise they live very happy and fulfilled lives in the countryside. So why why do we have this proct valley bes right?

Why is there a mad cow that murdered a young man who was it was out late that with a young woman. No one, No one knows who this young man is right. I did trauma best to find reports

of any murders in Prompt Valley. And of course it won't surprise you to learn that we have in fact discovered dead bodies in Promptic Valley, because unfortunately, Proptic Valley is just a few miles from the border, and and I've spent quite a lot of time out in that area, and that unfortunately, the people that we are finding their Proctor Valley haven't been killed by deranged cow or a bipedal beast, but in fact by the elements rights people trying to cross the border and find a better life

for themselves and not making it as far as the dirt road which leads to a small town, which leads to a big road, which leads to a big town that is close to there. And so what the Proctor Valley Beast is a myth that serves to tell kids to not drive down dirt roads late at night on their own, right. It's two kids, fun your parents. Yeah, absolutely, fucking send it. Your mediata can handle it, Get off road,

do some drifting. What's the worst that could happen? Maybe, if you're out there, take a gallon of water, and maybe maybe I'm not going to say that because there might be a crime. Yeah, we can cut that. I was going to say, a hand down with a single bullet in case you get stuck off road, a silver bullet and yeah, and a nail to hit it with. So the last, the last case I want to get to you is the Curse of Body State Historic Park. Do you know, Joe, what at is? Robert? No, When

you said Body, I thought immediately about the movie Point Break. Okay, I haven't seen it. Oh well that's okay, that Garrison you've seen it. Point I'm sorry, I forgot this is the Point Break. This is an audio medium. Yeah, I can't shake my head. No, No, I'm not seen Point Break. You haven't seen Point Break? Oh my god, Oh my god. I watched the filmmaker's previous, far superior film that will not be named. This is that like one person will get who Well, we're gonna have to watch Point Break.

But there's a guy named Body on it and he is kind of a crypted interesting so there Body has a bit of a problem, right, Body is robbing all those those banks anyway, this story does involve some robbing. Oh good, Yeah, but I have a bit of theft

on the podcast. So what happened in Body is Body's got a problem, right, But he has a problem specifically with mail, because almost every week when the rangers from Body travel into town to get the mail, they have to collect half a dozen or so little packages containing little things like rocks, pizzas of wood, fragments of pottery, or coins. And all of those little packages have letters attached to them, and I'm going to read from some

of those letters. Please find enclosed one weather beating an old shoe. The shoe was removed from Body during the months of August. My trail of misfortune is so long and depressing it can't be listed here. Another one. You can have these god forsaken rocks back. I've never had so much rotten luck in my life. Please forgive me

for ever testing the curse of Body. Okay, so what we got here, what we got here is a curse, right, just a good old fashioned If you steal something from the town, the town will come back and hurt you, right, Yeah, And so Body popped up in the late nineteenth century gold Rush rights in between Mono Lake a Lake Tahoe. They it's it's named after a gold prospector, there was

some gold found there. In fact, at its height, body hosted around ten thousand people, right, And for those ten thousand people, there were sixty saloons, which is a pretty good ratio. There's multiple documented gunfights on the main street. But it seems like the stereotypical wild West town that after the gold rushers are over, it wasn't such a

great place to live, so people abandoned it. And it's now managed by the California Park Service, right, And the California Park Service curates this ghost town in arrested decay so that people can come and see this little slice of history. And there's a lot we can learn from these, like these places that have been abandoned, right, we can learn a lot about the history of everyday life, like what things do people have in their kitchen? Why with this next to that? Why is there a knife here?

Why is why the beer bottles kept here? There's a lot that historians can learn over time that they might not find initially. So it's important to keep these things in really pristine condition. Right. The problem that they had was once they opened the park, you could just walk around town, right, It's not like a museum there aren't a little ropes that there aren't plexiglass dividece keeping you away from stuff, and people took that as an invitation

to steal ship, and steal ship they did so. The park's ranger, who I cannot find the name of anywhere, but at some point a park ranger giving the walking tours around Body, started telling people about this legendary curse. And this curse, he said, made it so that anyone who took anything from Body would be pursued by bad luck for the rest of their life. Didn't really think anything which didn't want people to steal ship, right, And as a result, hundreds of people who had stolen things

from Body started returning them in their mail. Right. They're blaming everything from cellulitis, cancer, failed relationships, so on the thing that they stole from body. That this would just be funny if it wasn't for the fact that every single one of these items has been stolen from a

protected site. Right. The Park Service has now set itself up with this huge administrative burden, which is reporting a theft for every single shoe or piece of glass or button that's stolen from body, So it's taking up a huge in order amount of their time, and they no longer will speak. I've tried to reach out. I didn't get a response. I did. I did drop them a Facebook message on their page trying to trying to talk

to someone about this. But they no longer talk about the curse because it's created such a burden for them, filing police reports and all these buttons. This is the actual curse that they did themselves. Like this is this is how most curses actually work. That you just actually like the effect is what you turned the thing into and now you're forced to all the police reports and that's the actual effect of the curse. Yeah, I think it's wonderful. I think it's great that they made just

this rod for their own bag. You know, you know what won't curse you with cancer or sell you litis? Garrison, I cannot There's there's a lot of weird stuff that Excellent mobile will give you cancer. Yeah. Well, the gold that we're about to plug, that's totally totally said. You can huff that gold, you can melt it down, dip your hand in, get a gold plate at hand, totally fine, lick it, lick it, pop it. You know, it's that to Garrison, sure. Shame was incredibly popular when I was

a kid. It was like everywhere. Alright, we're back and having well received our little bags of gold for that plug we did. Yep, I have mine right here. I like to keep it with me in case the ship hits the fan. I'm buried. I've buried mine in the middle of the Organ desert. Smart, I've buried a couple of things in the middle of the Oregon desert, none of them gold. Well, that was a big sense on

your definition of gold. Bigfoot to arm pit, that's what you buried out in your definition of that guy started a barbershop in whatever. Continue Okay, yeah, yeah, we don't need to talk about that on the podcast. Thanks Dan. We don't want any more Robert's felonies on on Maine, since only a felony if the police find the body, that's true, But maybe you could put put some sh it out there about a curse related to the body. Yeah, I give it some Maine, yeah, and then stuff it.

So why why do we have curses encrypted? Obviously partly because it's just fucking fun, and partly because some of our beliefs, right, like if we if we look at Dirk him or what Dirk him thought religion worth Religion is kind of an outgrowth of society that unites people based on a moral code. Right, and functionalists more broadly in sociology, believe that these beliefs serve and function in society.

And I think a lot of these things help us explain things that we can't otherwise explain, or give a more palatable explanation for things that we don't care to explain, right, or things and and like in nearly all of these cases, there are things that ripped children away from their mothers. There's another Mexican like shape shifting, which that ripped children away from their mothers. Right. Unfortunately, there are things that RiPP children away from their mothers, and your taxpayer dollars

pay for them. Right, But it it works a little better to explain things that we don't that don't fit with our other systems of belief through Like if we fundamentally believe right that that I know that that the world is good in capitalism is wonderful, and that gradually things will trickle down so that everyone gets richer of the rich get richer first, it can become very hard to explain the state of the world unless you are a member of the Conservative and Union As Party of

Great Britain and Northern Ireland of course, And so instead we create these external things, right, these things that go bump in the night, So sometimes they can be a proxy for external forces, right. The chuper Cabra in a way kind of explains as we get closer to nature and nature pushes back on us a little bit, that why that happens, right, rather than just saying what funk

we've given all these cooties Maine? How that? How on earth are we in a state where there's a blue dog walking around the The tuper caabre also serves as a way to kind of personify for people in Puerto Rico, either consciously or unconsciously, that the terrible impact of the United States colonialism there right, which it's not very hard to see, and even the Proctor Valley beast right that says stay away from this dark road near the border

late at night. There were reasons to stay away from there, but unfortunately there are there are also reasons to go there and try and help people who are genuinely suffering, and lots of people I know going go and leave water out there. So these curses, they kind of let credit scores right. They're not real, but they can sometimes ruin your life, and so sometimes it's just easier to pretend that it's magic doing that rather than its overarching

global system, which is not very nice. And that's kind of where I want to finish up. I guess is this. These are ways to explain things that we can't always explain, and that's that's sometimes okay, because sometimes it can be hard to confront these things. You've got anything else you want to say about cryptids, Robert, I don't know. Um. I think if you're in an industry that's adjacent to illegal drugs and you murder someone in the woods, it's

probably a good idea to blame it on Bigfoot. So that would be my advice for our listeners is to blame your crimes on bigfoot. M hmm, I don't know. Do you guys believe in Bigfoot? Let's let's end by talking about that, like like actually like believe in the physical ape like thing that's been dustly undiscovered that rooms in force, say ape like Garrison primate, I think doesn't necessarily mean ape like sure primate probably, and I do I do do not do not think that there's a

physical one exists. Now. I think, like we've mentioned before, like the words you know, you can say like a curse isn't really, but it can still have effects based on how we talk about it and how like we can kind of make it real by our own actions. And the same thing like I don't think bigfoot of the primate exists, but as a cultural symbol that has impact based it is real in some way. Um, but it's not like not like except for I would say it is real in a physical way. Um. And uh,

have you seen a big foot robber? Are you gonna this is this way you drop in your big foot? I actually I actually have. I've seen a couple. I've seen a couple of large animals out in the woods. I seen weird in the woods. I don't think I'm not comfortable calling it a bigfoot, but well I am weird weird things in the woods certainly. Certainly. Yeah, I've seen a lot of weird things in the woods and all of them were bigfoot, as far as has anyone

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