Community & Hierarchy of Needs Ft. Saint Andrew

job for me? That sounds cool, actually good idea, fantastic, It was often and everybody I m saying, I'm true. Back to guest wist yet again. Um, last time we spoke about you know, soft climate change, Nile and continue the theme of me talking about whatever I want to talk about as per contractual obbligation. UM. Today, I wanted to explode a concept that I brought up one of my recent videos, UM, self and community actualization. Yeah right,

so first we needs get in some context of course. UM. I mean when most people hear self actualization, they probably think of Maslow's hierarchy of needs, right, the famous permit that management Uh, staff tend to use up in their offices and such Los Angeles yoga ladies. Uh. The context in which I've heard self actualization the most. Yeah yeah, that whole group kind of you know yeah, um, but yeah, so self actualization. Master's hierarchy of needs, the old psych

one on one stuff, you know. I mean, it's traditionally represented as a pyramid, but it was never how Maslow himself actually depicted it. Um. It was actually something that later in two preters of his work ran with and popularized. Um. And so that as a result of that pyramid, there are a lot of you know, critiques of Master's theory that don't quite engage with his theory, would rather engage

with like interpretations of his theory by other people. But um, you know, I think it's still an interesting way to depict human needs, and I think it's a good launching point to start thinking about and start discussing, you know, human needs. Um, what you'll think you'll are on the pyramid right now, just for posterity's sake, Oh right up on the tippy top. I'm like I've been, I've been.

I've been very lucky to do exactly like what I want to do for a living most of my life and and now I own goats, so it doesn't get anything that including one absolute unit. He's fucking massive. He's a chunky buddy. What about Karen? Yes, I really don't know. I don't. I don't spend too much time thinking about models like this, especially around kind of my own my own goals, um and like where I see myself. Um, but I don't know. I mean, I'm i'm I'm doing

like him. I'm I'm relatively stable with my like actual physical needs. UM. So I guess, yeah, I'm just trying to figure out what I actually want out of life, like a lot of younger people do. I guess, right, right, So I guess that's more on the um esteem, yes, my stuff chization side of things. Yeah, And it's harder because you can say, like, well, within the context of like what is possible, I'm I'm I'm aware I want to be and I'm doing stuff that I want to

be doing. But also everything feels like a disaster around me all the time because the time simon, which makes it difficult to be is right. I was about to say, is anybody really on the safety needs category of of the pyramid. I mean some people like absolutely, yeah, but this group, I mean yeah, like we we we are there's like a weird there's like a weird disassociation between what's actually going on and what we know could be

going around on in like the larger sphere. That's fair. Yeah, yeah, that's that's a very good way of thinking about it. Is like, yeah, my immediate needs are met. Am. I very concerned that large chunks of the places I love will be unlivable and you know, there will be that we're kind of staring in the face of a variety of calamities that that could uh make everything worse for me and everybody I care about. Absolutely, but I can't

do anything about that, right. The other thing I was going to point out is that with like with like the physio needs, is that includes sleep. Yeah, this is who you're talking about, being the sun shining down on the pyramid and it gets up there, you know, the sleep. The sleep scientists have had their pockets in big bed for far too long, the cozy industrial complex problem. It's fine.

I was just gonna say something else that that I was going to say that, um, you know, the pyramid as we are discovering in this conversation doesn't really accurately map out you know, needs and human psychology really because I mean not just because our brains aren't shaped like pyramids, but also because at any point in time we can be struggling multiple um sections and parts of the needs. So for example, we could all be breathing air and

drinking water and having our food and stuff met right now. Um, And you know, you might be like really respected and stuff in your field. Um, and you might have a

certain could sense of self esteem and stuff. But then at the same time, you know you're not in a safe place, or you may be dealing with like a debilitating health condition, or you maybe lack in certain resources that you need to like thrive right so and then or maybe you know you have here food, water, shelter, sleep, all that, and you know you're secure and you have what you need and whatever, but you have no friends. You know, you have no intimacy, no family sense a

connection with other people. So you're kind of like living in this bubble, just floating through life, you know. I mean, your bubble is say, if it has what you need, But there's now that social aspect, and I think What's interesting about this is because as we start to talk about maths, this hierarchy of needs, we start to see the structural and societal um impact on you know, our

psychology and on our needs. Right, because if you want to talk about our safety needs, for example, well let's get to stay to the to the bottom, to the basic. If you want to talk about physiological needs, water is now a package and commodified product. Right. Food is something that is inaccessible to many, not because we don't have enough food, but because the distribution of it to meet

the needs of all. It's not what's prioritized on the capitalism right there, as at people who are lacking in shelter, you know, um, and a lot of people are sleep deprived by the systems we're living in, ye hmm. And

the same thing with safety. You know, we have faced literally threatened by climate change, and you know, we are atomized from our relationships and stuff because so much of so many of us have to work so hard, you know, every day, five days a week or more, eight hours or more, pretty and it really just strips us of

our social connections. And that's our st needs were sort of stripped of that by you know, these commercial messages that we get about like you're not this unless you have this, and bye bye bye kind of thing, right, and in self actualization isn't even really a thought for a lot of people because they's still busy trying to reach those other things um or don't even have the time to think about or they can become who they are um and we get intoide a bit more later

on in this discussion, but they don't really have the time of the sense to think about that because they've been so restricted by their circumstances, right and on top of that, restricted by like the messages that they would have gotten, you know, whether it be in the school system or through ads or whatever the case may be.

So I think looking at the pyramid, of course it's incomplete and the issues with it, but it does illuminate some interesting things that you know, we're dealing with right now. I mean, yeah, I definitely it's easier to self actualized and have esteem once your needs are met. But I think definitely there's an ability to jump around, especially when you know you have like a large scale depression and

alienation and disassociation. Think it is it's a weird sense where you can kind of hop around pyramid quite quite often. Even if you have certain things met, this doesn't necessarily mean you have something you know above or below. Yeah, like I I I when it comes to like actual people that I associate with, you know, all of whom are folks who have to, like I have to work in order to live. I don't think I've ever heard anyone talk about happiness in terms of like self actualization.

It's always in terms of like when I get my student loans paid off, you know, when I get my when I'm able to take care of this health problem that I have, like when I have enough money. It's basically everything boils down to for most people, when I have enough money to not be as suffering as much from this specific thing, or to not be scared about

not having enough money. Um, which is I think more would I get from people when they're talking about like aspirational goals than I would like to do this thing that that fulfills me as a person. Um Yeah, yeah, yeah, yes, It's like like any any kind of actual self actualization becomes this not just a luxury, but a luxury that's

just unimaginable. Yeah, exactly, exactly. Some people can't even imagine, I know people who have just basically given up on like ever being able to repay their loans, right, Like they've just resigned themselves like this is my life now for all eternity, this is this is it, you know,

And I can't blame them. Who can really blame them when that is the reality, you know for a lot of people taking themselves out to that is not possible even if they did get a whole bunch of the money or able to like pay off a bit more PU month, you know, this left interest rates. They're just like so badly exploitative that they're basically suits for the rest of lives. Of course, we had to have that brief moment of damn, the system sucks, as is typical

on it could happen here. But I want to shift attention now to another society and another culture that has approached this human needs and human psychology and human society thing differently. Right, Um, what's been coming to a lot more people's attention lateally is that Abraham Maslow Um he was actually partially inspired to develop his theory by his stay with the six Seeker Blackfoot, and I went into some of the details on the video on my channel.

UM rethinking Maslow's hierarchy of needs psycho a bit more in there, but basically, um, what he discovers, what I get to in that video is that, well, firstly, some cultures views as being born self actualized, right, like these seek of Blackfoot meaning and that's the Blackfoot just for a little bit of context, or are an indigenous people. I think confederation is how they tend to refer to themselves in like Montana, I think Idaho. Um yeah, up in Canada. Yeah, I kind of like Idaho, Montana and

parts of Canada, um like that's that's Blackfoot territory. They were also Maslow spent time with them. L Run Hubbard lied about having spent a lot of time with the Blackfoot. So I didn't know that. I don't. Oh yes, there's a lot of scientology law if you have to catch

up one yeah, but um yeah. So you know, with Maslow's model, self auctionalization is essentially you know, self fulfillment, right, the tendency for the individual to become more and more what one is and to become everything that one is capable of becoming. So I like fulfilling your potential as a person, as a partner, as a parent, as a talent, as a artist, as a whatever, just fulfilling your potential

as a person. Right. But to say that we are born self actualized, um, that framing will looks too seeing us each as born in the world with a spark of divinity, because of course this is tied into their spirituality. Um, born for the spark of divinity and with a great purpose embedded in us. And what self actualization is linked to in these cultures inextricably linked to that is is community actualization. Right. So community actualization is a concept that

places the actualized individual in the context of community. So instead of just upholding the individual alone, which Maslow's hierarchy has been critiqued for sort of doing, community actualization incorporates the web of relationships that supports each of us as individuals. Basically, it recognizes that we cannot be self actualized solely as individuals if there's not like a broader network over at, a web that is supports us. You know, we're not

islands standing alone, you know, yeah, yeah, we were. We were. We were touching on on on that point a bit a bit previous, but less eloquently. Um, how yeah, it is, it is. It's it's it's much easier to have the ability to actualize your goals into into actions when you are less alienated and you have and you have all these other things around around a community. Yeah, exactly. It

is that. I think, like the lack of community self actualization is kind of what we were talking about in terms of like, yeah, things are seeing things are great for me inasmuch as things are great, you know in the system we live in, but I I don't feel that, you know, yeah, you can look outside and you're everything is actually really bad. I'm just kind of in my little bubble and I'm trying to expand my bubble to be around, you know, and to help more people. But

it can be overwhelming sometimes. Yeah, I mean, it's only so much one person could do. And that's kind of the hoole point of community, right Our community supports our basic needs and basically equips us to manifest our poopous So it's a community would be there too, for example, and we can get into this a bit more designer model of education that supports us in expressing all unique gifts.

Right now, the part of the six scot philosophy involves cultural perpetuity, where there's an important consideration of those who came before and those who are coming after seven generations forward and seven generations backward. As I had it explain to me too, that is something that I think it would have been useful when it came to discussions of, um you, climate change. And it's very relevant now because we are seeing the older generations basically struggling and being like,

you know, um well it's jen Z's problem. Now you could take care of it. You're in the future kids, all right, well that yeah, when they're basically on the download saying fuck them kids. You know, yeah, but can I say that or yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, you can always say the kids. I say that to Garrison all the time without all right yeah yeah. But speaking of kids, um, I think we could compare and contrast basically how childhood is approached in our society versus how it would be

approached in society that values community actualization. UM. I mean, and I'm just speaking from my experience here. Of course you're a free talk about your own um I from like primary school and stuff. I remember it's constantly feeling like I had to compete with my fellow um classmates. I mean, you know, I was friendly and stuff with everybody and stuff, but since I was like usually at or close to the top of my class, I always felt this kind of pressure to just beat them out

and continue to be the best gifted kid ever. You know. So there was a sense of like constant competition with others that wasn't really balanced out with a kind of um collaborative sort of approach to like basically trading us from like an early age to learn to cooperate and work with people as people and as comrades, you know, although comrade is a way way to put it. But yeah, I just remember there was a sort of sense of

sort of atomization that's undercooded. That's sorts of educational approach. I I feel like that's pretty uh universal in a lot of a lot of parts of our modern world. We definitely really embed that sense of competition into very young kids, of whether that being in school or like wherever. Because yeah, that was that was definitely my experience, even even like in private school in Canada a long time ago. And I know that's that's the thing across you know,

across out the ocean as well. On on the other side of the pond. Yeah, we are back. That doesn't sound like us are we are? We really back. Sorry, it's and a m um all right. So when we're to look at like childhood and education and stuff in society there would value community actualization. Um, what sort of things do you guys think who would be seeing in that sort of society. What sort of approaches do you

think would be embedded from an early age. I'm trying to put it into words, so kind of one of the things I'm I'm currently in a living situation right where I have. I'm working with a group of people on a chunk of land and so every week we do projects on it to make it better, um, which

is tremendously satisfying. And I think in a in a society where that kind of self actualization like you've been talking about was more common, kids would feel that way about doing things, um that improve their community like that, that that take care of the people around them, that make you know, wherever they live a better place to live, Like that would be. That would be in the same way that like I go out each weekend thinking that will be a fun thing to do to like to

improve the place that I'm living. I think that would be kind of, um a common feeling like that would be a common activity as a kid to go engage in projects like that. Yeah, and I mean we already see children doing that, right except they do it in minecraft. Yes, yeah, I mean like the impulse is being directed somewhere currently. This isn't a thing you have to This isn't a thing you have to like splice into kids little brains to make them want to do it. Kids love making

ship exactly. Like if you give a child and opportunity and sort of facility that like, they a very a lot of them. I can't really generalize because I know some kids were like you do what you had to do.

I want to see in my corner. But there a lot of kids as well who would be like very very willing to be helpful, you know, they really like they just a door being a helper and being someone who can support, whether it be in the kitchen, you know, with like a little broom or whatever, sweeping, whatever the case may be. So some my kids don't want to be parts of a community, you know, because we are social animals. Um, it's just that right now, it is

directed at like Minecraft, supers or whatever. Yeah. Yeah, I think one of the things that I would really focus on, because this is just kind of in my experience, is teaching young kids how to cook, um and then having them cook or at least help cook food for other people. I think it's a really great kind of skill to learn. But also it it does this weird thing to your brain when you do that. It's like you you get very happy when you cook food for for other people.

And I think it's it's a really good kind of emotional impulse to give kids. It's like, hey, this is you can make people feel good by doing things for them, um. And because that makes you feel good and it makes them feel good, and then that really builds that whole sense of community. So yeah, yeah, yeah, some kids could be a man like but like both self lessness, but it also teaches you to like do stuff for yourself as well. Right, It's a good skill to be self

also be self sustaining. So I think that's that's why I really enjoy teaching kids cooking. Um. I used to I I used to be a culinary instructor because I'm really just passionate about that specific thing. Yeah, I mean for me perasonally, Um, I develop an aneurism whenever anyone's in the kitchen with me. Yes, there is definitely moments where if there's too many people in a kitchen, that is frustrating. But if if you do it right, you can get you can get a thirteen year old cooking

you an entire like really really nice holiday dinner. Um, which is which is what I was when I was thirteen, I was cooking all of the holiday dinners for my entire family, um, because I just I wanted to learn cooking. So it's it's definitely possible if you're a parent and you want less time in the kitchen. Uh, teacher kid how to cook? Yeah, I mean I come from a family of child cooks, right. I remember, Um this one time I think I was making like a card cake

with my mom. Um. But I was used to like licking my fingers when you know you make that cookie cookie dough and stuff. But I licked my fingers when the when I cracked the egg acts like stuff. You can't do that, you know. So I just remember that was one of the experiences in the kitchen. It really stood out to me. Lessons lessons will be learned about like bacteria. Yeah, you know, it'sience. Knives, you get to get to learn how to use knives, get to learn

about heat. You know, there's a lot, a lot of a lot of good lessons you can learn inside. I get firing safety, chemistry, you know, bunch of stuff well mixed in there. You know, even math, even absolutely fractions. It's one of the only times I use fractions is in cooking and baking. Yeah, I mean, as embarrassing as it is, I use Google when I want to confut measurements still, but I mean it's just there. It's more convenient.

But yeah, I absolutely agree that example, you know, like the use of like cooking lessons and that sort of thing too. Support um to support like kids self actualization. I also the community actualization because of my experience, and the thing I default too is different versions of like

the youth liberation argument. But because of how people have been using that term on Twitter right now, I don't want to talk about it because it's been causing a lot of like really dumb fighting about what that term actually means and who coined it and like that kind of stuff. But that's kind of where I default too, in terms of like what self actualization could be in

a community setting. Youth liberation is one of those things that I'm really passionate about UM and I honestly don't know who coined it or what discourses happening about it right now, but it definitely informs my approach and ends up influencing like a lot of the things that I discuss, Like when if I talk about like an issue or whatever UM in society, a lot of times it really boils down or starts from an early age, it starts

through the education system, or it's faster there or incubated there. So I think, UM, a lot more discussion should be happening about, you know, the place of young people and the education system and stuff UM, alongside of course all the other struggles and discussions and discourses about struggles we've been happen. Yeah, I'm just trying to view like anarchistic like liberatory frameworks is like trying to achieve that self actualization and to some degree like the the like a

steam level, and then also like the community and belonging level. UM, even if you don't have all of your physical needs met all the time. Is how these types of frameworks can be can almost just like jump around that and be like, despite me not having all of these base needs met, if I if I have like a radical model of the world, I can still try to achieve that type of freedom because I can work outside the

box to get it. Um. Yeah, and I think that that that's kind of what I was I was trying to get at is at least on you know, like a like a like whether it be like a youth lib framework or just see like general like radical anarchism

in general. Yeah, And I mean parts of thinking outside the box involves, you know, looking at other people who of thought outside of the box, who have reinvented and reconsidered and sort of transformed their approach to things like education and child care and really all the aspects of society that we take for granted as you know, just

being a certain way. You know, um, when we talk about things like education and childhood in the place that plays and community actualization, I seem to think a lot about, you know, all the things we can do to not fit into cap into capitalist smooths. You know, it's really facilitate folks potential, not just really cooking classes for example, but even through you know, workshops and field trips. I

mean field trips. Now we're just kind of like this saying that you know, kids go to from time to time and they have to walk in a single fireline and all these different things. But what I envision when I think of, you know, learning, is something walk into like less restrict action to just the four walls of a classroom and more the whole world is your classroom. You know, the whole world is a place where you know, you can explore, and you can room and you can

develop yourself. You know, without all these barriers and controls we place on kids end up suffocating their imagination of what things can be. And I mean when you have that sort of educational model where you know, the youth are able to explore different avenues and direct their own education routes, you know, you also end up which is what has happened in education models that we've seen throughout

many different cultures of the world. You see that it facilitates relationships with the community members, right, and everybody benefits because you have for example, becausen't exactly something like apprenticeships, and you have you know, for example, people getting support from the kids in the kitchen or you know, in the workshop or in library or whatever the case may be.

And not only the kids about paying their skills, but they're also developing relationships with different members of the community with different backgrounds, with different experiences, and it released serves almost as I see it as a way to God against UM this sort of style of parenting where that we kind of seeing popularized lately, where like the child is basically the exclusive property of the parents and you can't tell anybody how to raise their child and the

parent always knows best, and that kind of approach. I think it's a good and to do to that because the child being exposed to a lot more of life and of people. UM. I think that to me, UM is the sort of youth liberation route that I see developing. It requires, of course transmission, but you know, no proposalar

to be approach and isolation. Yeah, and it's it's easier to achieve when you're around other right, It's it's easy to one if if you are already in a community where these things can be fostered, then it's a lot you know, it's a lot less of a lofty goal. Yeah, I think that there's a kind of interesting I don't know if case studies the right word, but there's part of Italy that had a really really long running like anarchis education experiments, and so they're basically able to sort

of refund local school systems and it worked. But you know, and they produced a bunch of really good schools, and you know, the schools are based in sort of like cooperative learning etcetera, etcetera. And you know, I mean the model still exists today, but and you know, it's like, yeah, they made some of the best schools in Europe, but the society around them didn't change. And so sort of bizarrely, they ended up making these schools that like produced you know,

they're they're very good schools. They produced extremely good students, but then they also like produced an extremely you know, well educated and good like capitalist contree basically. And so I think I think there's a sort of you know, if if you go back to sort of the community aspect of this is like, yeah, there's there's a set to which even even if you have you know, you get some form of self actualization, you get some form of sort of you know, community and cooperative like education

for children and stuff like that. The whole society has to move with it or otherwise you just wind up sort of feeding the beast more effectively. Yeah, yeah, I mean that is that you you also see that kind of problem with like the we work guys, right, the Adam Newman and and and h the two co founders of that came out of Adam's case at kibbutz in Israel, which you know, started with from kind of socialist foundations, and the other founder had grown up in like a

commune in rural or again. Uh, and they both wound up making like this ultra capitalist real estate company. So yeah, if you it's it's you know, there's a lot that's said, and there's there's a lot of value and kind of like carving out sections of culture for the things you believe in to try to um get shelter from the storm. But yeah, as you were kind of noting, Chris, um, it does it does also just wind up kind of reinforcing the dominant social system. Um. If there's not a

kind of more basic upheaval of the way things work. Yeah, if there's no you know, political philosophy and your goodness and there's no connection with you know, broader social movements and sort of confederation with other projects. You know, it could very easily be coopted you know in isolation. Yeah,

I guess, I guess that's you know, like that. That's what happened to self actualization as a concept for the most part, is that it got taken over by kind of weird grifters and yeah, like self care, yeah yeah, and take these concepts and just sort of twisted and transforming into um, you know, capitalists hands it's even something like um like with There's been some interesting discussions happening surrounding like luxury and what luxury means around sitting within

certain circles on Twitter UM and Kim UM. Kimberly Foster from for Harriet Excellent YouTube channel UM. She mentioned that to who at least in this long but really good video she spoke about how luxurad to WHO is basically UM, you know, finding the ability to rest where you need to rest and to be able to be supported UM. Whereas luxury now but luxury as quite popular understanding, it

is more so about consumption and consumerism. So even when you have something where like and this is specific to UM, the black experience of course, because for a long time. You know, black women have been expected to, like um, toil and labor and support not only the communities, but also you know, draineer slavery also you know, their white

masters and that kind of thing. Um. There's there was a push for the Black Women Luxury movement to sort of reclaim you know, a space for black women to just be able to enjoy themselves and you know, be themselves. But that quickly became something it's just like, you know, just get the bag um, just the sort of hyper capitalists, hyper consumerist, bougie kind of approach to luxury, where the original route to the movement, which was about finding rest,

was sort of lost. And I mean that's a bit of a tangent, so I'll try to connect that back to what we're saying. Um. I think when it comes to things like rest and the ability to rest, um, I think that that's can only really be found in community. And if there is a lack of communit community support to you know, pick up the slack when you need to rest and you need to revive yourself and you

just need to recharge. Um. Barring that, of course, resheople can pay for a sort of a full community in a sense of having you know, nannies and maids and butlers and tutors and all these people to basically support their life styles and support there freedom. But well people lack that. And so I think actualization as you're mentioning, UM, it's ability to rest, and I see that as linked

with community. Yeah, I think that definitely ties into our recent discussions on anti work and how anti work is a lot more feasible if you are in a community support like network and right, and you have people to rely on UM and definitely, like you know, self actualization as the ability to like to just rest when you want to, it's a very uh, it's very powerful thing and very enticing, and that definitely plays into the whole like anti work, like UM idea, I guess yeah, I mean,

so can I the anti work thing to just general you know, unonization and striking efforts? Right? Like I was seeing people are calling for a general strike the other day, um as if we haven't learned a lesson, But they were calling for that, but what they were not realizing was that without these structures in place to support striking efforts, it's not gonna be enough. You know, if people cannot

support themselves and their families. The strike cannot last. You know, it's only with this community and the community coming together to support people can they you know, not just fight for the rights in the striking and unization context, but also you know, to be able to find leisure, to find rest, as with the anti work discussion, and so

sort of turn this to a discussion on organizing more generally. Um. You know, we are, at the end of the day, a very communal ape and if we were to just focus on ourselves as individuals, um, I think as capitalism, in its anti social nature expects us to, I think

we would all suffer as a result. You know, our goal as people, as any one person, should be not just to you know, ourselves, but also to enrich the worlds of those around us and to cultivate the community that as we support, they you know, will support us. And I mean as we prefigure this sort of you know, culture of support, of you know, care and of empathy

and that sort of thing. Um, I think organizing efforts would as a results be a lot more powerful, be a lot more potent um, be a lot more enriching, and a lot more imaginative. So unless any any of you have anything else to see, um, to sort of bring this to a close, Um, I just want to leave um, leave us with some food for thought in terms of how we can incorporate community actualization in action, right Because it's one thing to say I will be wonderful to have a community to support to you in

account thing. But you know, um, how do people are pretty isolated and stuff right now? Um? So I guess I actually put it into sort of five stage kind of approach, starting with firstly facilitating collect to prolonging among diverse groups. Right, so we want to look at bringing people together. Obviously they would have different backgrounds and different needs, different ones, different personalities. But bring people together, um, whether it be at work or on the block, or at

school or whatever the case. We just for a cook coote or for align or any kind of party or interaction. Obviously, depending on where you are that that may not be the safest thing to do, um, considering COVID and everything. But just bring people together. Not even necessary to proselytize them about anarchism or socialism or whatever. But at the very least start connecting the nodes and start connecting the different parts that can eventually come together to become something greater,

you know. I mean, you don't need to wait for a calamity. That's one thing to happen. But of course we have seen as well where natural disasters have broad communities together that wouldn't say it before. Um, I think, however, it would be better to like not wait for that kind of thing to happen and to just you know, bringing people together from now start some conversations, get things going right, and then from there you want to be

facilitating solidarity in struggle. Right, So whether it be in the solidarity is a bit of a buzz would now

or at least it become a buzz would. But I think whether it be with disasterly funds or solarity strikes and protests, or you know, with basic mutually support, you know, whether it's material or emotional solidarity in struggle, I think that is another crucial part in you know, building community and incorporating eventually community actualization, because what that does is it shows others that I have your back, and you know, others able to see that you know they can have

mine as well. Um. It helps to build that sense of trust. You also want to sort of cultivated probably a sense of community pride and a sense of being able to rely on community networks. You know, we spoke about mutulate networks, but also things like UM skill shares or workshops, so UM material support. You know, if somebody needs food, being able to support for them, to know that they have people they can go to to support them in their time of need, that is powerful. You know.

Not many people forget that. Not many people forget the time that they were at their most dire point and you know the community stepped up to support them. You know, if you want to see UH in direction in our lifetimes, UM, you don't start guns blazing. You know, you start with a creative food, You start with a help in hand, You start with money if people need it UM and then from there, you know, you get into the realm of community achievements where your community is collectively able to

celebrate the things that we have accomplished together. You know, whether it be establishing community garden that is able to supplement people's UM fresh protry supply, or whether it be that you know, community has come together and they've fixed something that was broken on the street, or even that they've come together and we're able to train people with like some really helpful skills where they're now able to support themselves and bring other things to team as well.

And then from there, I think that sorts of approach would foster fulfillment in community and the figures means the actualization. Yeah, I mean, and this is this is all. It's a

big topic. Um. And it's a much bigger topic than just like what a what do you what changes do you want to make around the edges, like what things should people advocate for or even just like advocating that that the system be torn down, like as as was kind of evident when you asked, how could we build a community in which like kids feel more self actualization from engaging in the community. Um, And there was that kind of blank moment, the when you actually talking talk

about like reconfiguring society at such a fundamental level. Um. It's it's a big topic. UM. And it's it's one that I think it's important to introduce to people the idea like and we really have to be we really got to figure this this out. This is this is important to like everything we we say we believe. UM. Answering this question is going to be key, Uh, and it's it's it's a tough one. UM. So I don't know.

I think sometimes uh people come into episodes we do on stuff like this like looking for Okay, well, how how are you what's your suggestion for how to do that? And at the moment, like I agree with the how imperative this is, um, but in terms of actionable stuff, it's, um, this is a big open ended question in my head.

I mean, I think I think Andrew laid out a lot of this stuff that we've we've talked about both like you know, with within our kind of own community groups in terms of the things in terms of like you know, like connecting nodes and all like the steps that we can do to have there be like more like more connecting branches of the tree and how to strengthen those. I think that it's it's a good Yeah. It's like we can't we don't know what your community

is like or what your what your situation is. All we can really say is here's the broad things that that you can try or have worked for other people in the past, and then based on what your situation is, you can can apply those pluglables. Yeah, st Andrew, Yes, of course, Um, well, you can follow me on Twitter at a discore scene. True and of course on YouTube seeming andreids. Um check my stuff. You know, I have the video on rethinking masters hierarchy of needs, um on

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