Chicago Public School's Pro-COVID Lockout Part 2

Public Schools and by the Mayor, LORDE. Lightfoot. Enjoy there's everything I want to talk about a bit, which is when you've been back, when you've been sort of teaching in these really like sort of what what is it actually like to teach in these classrooms? And like you know, how how safe actually is it? So, I mean I've been in a lot of different environments. When I was teaching middle schoolers, I did not feel super COVID safe. Um they aren't. I don't know if people know this

about middle school age kids. They love to touch each other, especially boys. They love to like wrestle. There was putting each other in headlocks. I am constantly having to just be like six feet six ft apart or three ft or whatever CDC has said we are now. Um, they don't put their masks on, They put their masks in their mouths. All the time, like in their mouths. Um. There's they're constantly finding like weird little excuses to have

their mask off. Like they'll just sit there with like like there are a lot to have water bottles because they can't use the water countains. They'll just sit there with like a straw in their mouth for like extended amounts of time. And I'm like, I need you to put your mask up, take quicksips and put your mask up. And they're like I'm drinking, Like I'm going to be drinking at the end of this day, but like, I know, take a quick sip, put your mask back up. It's

really really important for your safety. Um. And then I have other kids who are absolutely straight up like terrified of this because like they've lost parents, they've lost grandparents. Um, it's it's really scary. UM. At the high school level, it's been a little better. High school kids are a little more rational. UM, but I still have a few who are just like their masks are down around their chins all the time and we're under their nose and I'm I'll like several times of class fear like okay,

time for everybody to do a mass check. Make sure your mask is covering your nose, your mouth, your chin. Um, I'll remind them like I have a spouse at home who has an underlying condition and like, please don't have me bring home a deadly disease to him, because that would really not be great. Um, most of them are pretty good, but still they're getting sick. Like I think we had like forty kids out of my building one Monday, and like twenty eight staff members or something like that.

We're out and we had one sub which is the other That's the other issue is this isn't really a question of, um, if we should go remote. It's a question of when will we be forced to go remote. And we can either do that now before everybody has gotten sick and wait for this to subside and get some better mitigation strategies in place, or we can do it after everybody is sick, and then we're going to be scrambling to figure it out and also be sick at the same time. I don't really see how that

makes any sense. Yeah, that's the part of this. And I've just been like I just like I don't get it, Like I just like, fundamentally, there's there's like a mental break where it's like I don't understand why, like Lightfoot and CPS so insistance about not going remote, Like I get that, like yeah, it's it's hard on kids, but it's like it's it's you know, it is the years two, Like no matter what you do, it's it's hard on the kids, And it's like, yeah, I also I wonder

how much of it is the remote learning that's hard on them, and how much of it is just the um everything around them is crashing and following and burning around their ears because um, the messaging that they've been getting is that they don't matter. They're not important, their safety isn't important, their families aren't important, and um, some of them like want to be remote. A lot of them, a lot of their parents want them to be remote. They're like, you know, it's not as good, but at

least I feel safe. Some of them even thrived in remote like actually did pretty well. And I really wish that it was just an option for those students who actually did well with it, that they could just like if we even ended up with like a third of our students choosing it, it would mitigate this so much, because that's a third of the people not they're to spread it around. UM. So how how big? How big your class sizes are? Um? Right now the building I'm in now, I have like thirty in some my it

was kind of similar at the last building. Like they're in that range. I have like always have like one or two that are like the twenty or below that are usually um special education like inclusion classes where I have co teacher. Um. But yeah, it's you know, some of them are pretty crowded, and it really varies by school.

Like there's definitely schools that have over thirty kids in a room, um and don't have the staff because it's just that's the other thing is like they keep talking about, you know, I keep seeing people be like fire all the teachers, and I'm like, good luck, Like, yes, is chronically understaffed. What are you gonna do this? Yeah? I think again, like this job is really hard, Like it's being a teacher. Yeah, it's hard. It's exhausting, and it's

very very rewarding. Like when it's good, it's great. When it's bad it is miserable. Um. So yeah, and like what it looks like and I mean that's you know, it depends, it really depends on what school you're in. Um, I think everybody can agree that it is difficult right now. Um, so we we have like air purifiers going and masks on, and I cannot understand what my kids are saying a lot of the time, Like I do not know, and

they speak so quietly. Yeah, like I need you to shout it, say it like you mean whatever it is. So but you know, that's been challenging and frustrating and exhausting. But um, the worst thing ever is finding out that one of my students is sick. Like I hate when they're I hate it when they hurt, Like whenever that

one of them is hurting, I feel bad. And knowing that their home sick is it's it's really upsetting and just it's you know, it's distressing for teachers to know that their kids are struggling in a way like that. So that's you know, we want them to be safe, you know, like like these kids, it's like and this

is this is true of the staff too. When you when you're getting sick, it's like, yeah, like some of these people will be okay, but enormous numbers of people are like so, man, these people are gonna die something. People a lot of these people are going to get disabled. Um yeah, I mean the long term long terfects really bad. And you know, one off, if people remember we we did an episode with when our Friends us a nurse

and like, yeah, like he he had long COVID. His long COVID was like he he couldn't do more than like like getting out of bed or like like walking across the room, which just put him in bed all day. Because there's you know, there there's an enormous range of sort of like of of long COVID side effects. And yeah, it's like it's it's it's like CPS is just child

cope of schools. It's just like they're getting people killed. Yeah, and it's and it's you know, that's like the question like they keep talking about percentages and I'm like, these are human beings. Every one of the numbers is a human. So when you say like only you know, point whatever percent are going to be long term affected, like, okay,

those are people. Can we stop like dehumanizing them with these like data points and um as for like the issue with like how like kids are less affected by or whatever, Like the fact is like the more we allow this to spread around the more variants we're going to see, and we don't know that the next variant isn't going to be the one that is really significantly harmful to children. And we are basically turning our schools into these peatree dishes where this thing can mutate and

become stronger. And now we have vaccinated people who are in that mix, and it's becoming resistant to the vaccine. So you know, I'm a social studie teacher, not a science teacher, but this seems like a bad move to me. Yeah, yeah, it's I don't know, it's it's just sort of heartbreaking

a lot of ways. I mean, it's just like they've just decided that, you know, and again, like I don't I don't know why Lightfoot's doing this, Like maybe just like she wants to share up her base thing because she's trying to build a base among like the just like rich, Weirddorsiders or something. But like it's she's a

small business person. That's always when people are the small business owners who don't want to close schools because then you know, their workers won't come in, and you know, I want to feel sorry for them, but I know, I don't know, like I was like fuck you, because there's also a lot of small business owners who have been very supportive of us. We had uh there's like a taco place offering free burritos to us, Like I

really appreciate that. Like there's a community who understand that, like the lives of our children are so much more important than you missing two weeks of profit, Like you will figure that out. And if you want to bail out businesses, um, we can figure that out. But right now. And also like is is saying like we have we aren't we refused to do anything that might be inconvenient for business owners, Like what is that? Yeah, and it's

like it's like yeah, so you know. And also yeah, but like business owners did get bailed out, like they got they got they got zero presented loans. Most of those loans got written off. And meanwhile, yeah, it's like, well, okay, what did life to do with the COVID buddy? She she gave it to the cops. And oh, hey, guess guess who's also just a ramperants better of COVID? Oh yeah it's the cops. Yeah, resisted vaccines the most, the cops.

I mean, actually, there there there, there is one funny thing which I'm actually very excited about, which is that the cops are doing they're having their first so that they have a new class graduating. But for the police academies, which is really bad, and there's a whole well, one of one of the like life Foot's things was that there there was a huge campaign against building more police academies because you know, everyone hates told a police apartment.

They're awful. And if you have a hundred billion dollars for a new police academy, why or a hundred million or whatever it was, why can't you put some better ventilation in the schools? Yeah, well it's gonna yeah because because because like the CPD are like basically feudal lords. They have nights, they go out, they can shoot you, like they rob you. They just like any any any large number of like black kids on the streets, Like if you just have like fifteen kids walking around, like

eight quad cars will show up. And you know that there was in Lightfoot was like no, no, no, her like one of her campaign things, big and pain things like no, no no, We're gonna make sure we build these academies. And but so they're they're having their first like rounded. They they've been having trouble recruiting because good yeah, and and they're they're about to have their first police Academy exam and it's gonna be in person, and I am this is the only what are the few? Is this?

And jaire Bosonaro where it's like I am rooting for the virus here, like please God save us from these cops. But yeah, it's it's but they're just at home and spread it around. Yeah, yeah, that's a sad thing. It's it's just it's grotesque. And yeah, yeah, it's been this thing where I'm like watching, like the school system is just throwing their hands up, been saying we don't care, We're done. The health system, the health care system is

like crashing and burning all around us. Nurses are quitting, hospitals are like we don't have room for more patients, Like did you have a cancer treatment schedule? Sorry? Did you have a surgery scheduled? Sorry? I just saw somebody on Twitter saying she um has a brain tumor and she's supposed to have a surgery for it and she

can't now because of COVID. Because they have no beds, there aren't any and you're telling me that the right move right now is to keep the schools open, which has always been in every every pandemic that we've ever had. Schools and hospitals and prisons are like the place where the whatever diseases spreads. And I know we've been claiming that like there's not been spread in schools, but we've now seen the data that there, in fact is a

huge amount. Which I've been like screaming about this since we started that their contact tracing models are they're absurd. They are like kafka esque, Like basically, um, so we start from the assumption that everybody is six ft apart and wearing the mask at all times, which it's not. It's not even it's not even physically possible in a

lot of classrooms for that to be happening. And then too, we start with the assumption that those things work, and so you'll get a call from a contact racer that's like, hey, um on, you know, like last Tuesday, Tuesday of last week, were you within six ft of any of your eighth graders for more than fifteen minutes? Funk? If I know, Tuesday of last week, was I near an eighth grader for fifteen minutes. I don't know. I have no idea even if, like, even if I did know, what difference

does it make. It is an aerosolized virus. It is in the air, and the more you sit in classrooms, the more it accumulates. Like we have seen like studies about um this, We've seen studies about how CEO two accumulates in the air when there's crowds. We know that

stuff accumulates like that in classrooms, very very quickly. And you're gonna tell me that as long as I wasn't within fifteen or within six ft for more than fifteen continuous minutes, not even like um, not even fifteen minutes like added up throughout the day, just fifteen minutes continuously, I'm not going to get a virus. You shipping me

like that makes no sense. And so then if and if and if you're answer to those questions are no, because whatever you were following the rules, then they're like, Okay, you got COVID somewhere else. It wasn't at school, Yeah, no, it doesn't. It's nonsense. It's like I go to work

and I go home. I don't do anything else, so I don't know where else it's coming from like yeah, like and I also just I want to do do a brief digression about like okay, so like like like I went to like a like a pretty good like like a pretty well like a very well funded like a Chicago area school and like, okay, those places, those places ventilation sucks. Like again, like again, I went to a very well funded school. Like we had a we had drowned dead rats falling out of the ceiling like

it was. It was incredibly my my, my, my great high school memories with my principle just like running full tilt pushing a trash can because dead drownd friend see liked lord. My school was wild. We had how bad it was like a kind of a chemistry teacher let a kid set off a smoke bomb like that they made like in a classroom, but it didn't work, so it just like actually blew up. It was a time but like like base learning, okay, got to light the

school on fire. But like like this is a this is like yeah, like like these schools are not like they're not environments. Yeah. The building I worked in at the beginning of the year was a hundred years old. It was built in nineteen twenty and there was always this like sewage smell around the bathroom as the pipes were messed up. It was weird, like and they couldn't fix it. I think it was I was the second

or third time by building lived on fire. Like we there was a there was a whole thing in the building that was made of asbestos and they just had left it because it was like it wasn't exposed. Yeah, still have asbestos over Like I get like I went to like a good, well funded one of these schools, Like it's I think there's there's like there's there's these

two there's two things. I think it is. Interestingly, there's when you like talk to like the people who want the schools to open back up, right, they'll they're also talking about like oh no, it's fine. Everyone wears mass everyone's vaccinated, everyone succeed. It's like no, no, they're not like this. This is how it works in this like imaginary play world you've like created. Have you ever met a child? Like have you met your own children? Like oh and that's the best is like, well, I've been

having my kids wear a mask. You have your full of ship, okay, because I hold that kid to put their masks on like fifteen times yesterday, and I love them beautiful face. I hope they get to show it off someday, but right now, covered up, please, I'm begging you. And I'm like, I'm not like that teacher who's really authoritarian, Like I've never been good at like writing kids up and getting on them for stuff because it's just like I don't know, I hate doing that. I hate being

that person. So it's been like, really it's like a struggle. It's like am I going to be the person who nags them every five seconds? Or am I gonna be um the teacher that they like and want to learn from? Like you know, this isn't sustainable. So but you're asking like the attitudes of people who want to open schools back up, and I it's it's hard because I have talked to parents who are worried, but they are also very upset because they see that their kids are struggling.

And I really do feel for them on that, like I really really do. It is hard to see a kids struggle, but it is harder, I think to see a kid sick. That is really hard. And it's just this like there are ways that we can overcome the difficulties of remote learning, Like we we can find ways to give them the emotional support, Um, we can find

better socializing outlets. But I don't know how we fix like you've become very ill and your body isn't going to recover in the way that you thought it would, Like, I don't. I can't fix that. So it's something I've heard from other teachers that like that preparable about learning stuff like is harder and takes more work than Yeah it does. It's it's really off. I don't like doing it.

I want to be in the classroom, but yah, and I just I just want to like once again, yell at all of the people who are like the teachers are lazy and it's like no, people like they're like, yeah, like you're you are advocating to do more work because that's that's the thing that will keep the kids safe, and it's Yeah. I think a lot of people don't understand like the behind the scenes how the sausage gets

made of a classroom. But I think a lot of people have this idea that like we are given curriculum and plans and materials pre made, and sometimes that's true, it depends on your subject. Mine is social size is not a subject where that happens very much, which is part of why I like it, because I like to

be creative. Um, So like my week looks like, UM, there are a lot of hours after school where I am sitting down, I'm looking at the standards that I need to teach, the topics that I need to teach, and I'm researching it and learning it and finding a way to teach that to kids who don't have the same like baseline knowledge that I have. UM, And then

I'm creating like an activity for them. I'm creating, um, you're I'm finding like material sources and videos and stuff that they can watch that are going to help them, or things to read. I'm modifying those things for the kids who have, um, you know, learning differences. I'm translating some of those things into Spanish for kids who don't really read very well in English yet. So, like that's

a ton of work on its own. And then when we switch to remote, we have to figure out how to do all of that on Google Classroom, where now it has to all be typed like or you know, like how do I figure like how do I do a group project online. How do I let them do something creative that isn't just sitting here answering questions on a worksheet. That's hard and we've been really good at it, and I've found all kinds of really cool tools to

do that with. But it's so much work. And it's work that I'm willing to do because I care about my job. I enjoy my work. I love my students, but um, you know, and I want them to be safe, but like, you know, it is a ton of work. I'm not just sitting here eating bond bonds all day or drinking cocktails. Yeah. And I think there's there's like a larger sort of like like Americans have this like the sexist sort of like hatred of like or in disrespect to people who do both care work and a

lot of creative work both. And then simultaneously there's this sort of like you know, the there's there's there's a resentment to people who get to actually do something that helps people. And you know, I think right now we're seeing just the most toxic fusion of that, which is that like, yeah, I know, like these like you know, instead of like you know, recognizing the enormous amount of work that that's going into all like this going into into teaching, like the amount of sort of like the

care and love that's going into the creativity. It's going into it. And just like the people people's willing to, like you're willing listen to make like enormous sacrifices to try to keep these kids safe, they're just like no, Like the teachers are lazy, they don't want to work, they're going on strike, like and it's you know, and and it's like they're doing this and it's like yeah, like you you were like they're killing their own kids. It's just like it's it's this weird fusion of like

we we I've had. The spaces is like a combination of like feminized care labor, emotional labor, and UM that's sort of like like intelligence, yeah, like professional white collar intellectual kind of thing. And then also we're teaching a UM more introductory level of our subjects, so we're seeing as like discount intellectuals who are also women who do

care work. So it's it's very frustrating, and I don't think a lot of people understand the amount of UM skill and expertise it takes to be a teacher and be effective at it. Like, it's not just I need to know social studies to the level that a twelfth grader would know it. It's I need to know social studies beyond that level and know how to communicate it to a high school student. And also I need to

know a lot of stuff about like child development. It's it's really it's something and um, I you know, I find that to be fun and challenging, but I wish it was respected and you know, and then you're talking about like people are sacrificing their own kids. I want to point out a lot like I think there's a

racial component to this. Um, the people who are in wealthier schools and who are mostly white know that their kids are gonna be fine, Like they are in schools that actually do have the resources to distance, that have air filters, that have good ventilation. Um, they're vaccinated, their kids are probably going to be fine. The kids that aren't going to be fine are low income students of color. And it has always been this way. It's always been

this way with schools. Like when schools were desegregated, we started with private school vouchers and we started with all of these like uh, state testing requirements and withholding funding from schools that don't meet those you know, test standards and all of these like um, this extra oversight owned teachers like that stuff all comes back to white people don't want to have to worry about black people's kids.

That's it. And you know they will move their kids out to the north side or the suburbs or whatever. Notice that all of those suburbs schools have flipped. Noticed that Lory Lightfoot's kids are in a charter school that is not remote well and more than Lightfoot. Light Lightfoot realm not put herself in a room with the with the same number of people like to go to every day. She won't. And she was telling people at the press conferences they had to wear their masks, and then she

wasn't wearing hers, which is very charrange to me. Like that's what they like when when you when you get to the politician level, they know it's dangerous, Like they know they they you can tell right, yeah, like they won't do it, but like no, no, they're they're perfectly willing to just send to send you off the die, to send all these kids off to die. And it's just, Yeah, sometimes I feel I get kind of dumer and I wonder if, like, if that's not the plan, Like is

it that? I mean, I don't really believe that. I think what it really is is this just like malicious neglect. Like if you're somebody who's a policymaker and someone comes to you and it's like, I need you to care about this population here that doesn't have a lot of money and needs a lot of things, and you, the policymaker, are going to be like, oh, that sounds like so

much work. And then somebody else is going to come to you and be like, I need these things over here, and I do have a lot of money, and I do have a lot of influence, and I'm gonna make your life difficult if you don't do what I want. They're gonna do with that other side once. And what the other side once right now is for kids to get back into school so they can have free daycares, parents can go to work, and that's and that's it.

And teachers are standing here being like, I didn't get a master's degree, and do you know countless hours of professional development to be a babysitter? You know, and no, not to knock babysitters. I was in nanny for a long time. That is hard work. But um, I didn't get a master's degree to be a babysitter. I got a master's degree to be a teacher. And I'm in an environment right now where I can't really teach effectively and all I'm doing is babysitting. They want to wear

house kids. That is what we're doing with the schools. That's why they want them open. And it's you know, it's it's hard not to feel like they just are doing it because they hate us, even though I know it's not. It's just mean, it does feel that way. I will like, I will say that, like you're so if you become elected as the mayor of Chicago, like your job is to break the teachers union, Like that's that's like, that's that's that's that's like the role you're

auditioning for. And they have been they have been trying to do this for literally my entire lifetime. They've been trying to do this, like since before I was born. Like that's and honestly, like, wouldn't surprise me if this was another part of this was just them once again trying to break the teachers union. Oh absolutely, like and if and not even just that, like yeah, you know, like not just on the sort of political level, like on the incredible cynical level of we'll just kill them. Well,

it's it's a labor thing. Like, it's not just a Chicago teachers union or even a teacher's union thing. It is a labor movement across the board thing that. Um, the largest, I think the largest unionized workforce in the country is teachers, and we on top of that are a union of workers who have the power to absolutely bring our economy to a grinding hole if we want to. We could all go on straight right now, and nobody's going to do ship until we go back to work.

Um they could if they, you know, they could try to replace us with like people who are basically like hall monitors and give kids like canned curriculums. But they wouldn't really be learning very well, and parents wouldn't be happy with it, and they wouldn't be entering the workforce with the skills they need to make money for the economy, to you know, make money for the almighty Tao. So um.

The it has been a project for decades in this country to try to break teachers unions because teacher unions occupy this space where they allow other unions to happen. Um, we have, you know, enough influence on politicians that they can't just disband the labor board and make unions illegal, which they would absolutely fucking love to do. And if they could just get rid of these damn teachers unions,

maybe they could do it. Um. So, you know, and that's what you see with the edge cation reform movement, where you have all these people advocating for bouchers and charter schools and it's you know, they want to break labor. And I see a lot of I mean, now I'm gonna I'm gonna scold some of my comrades, but I see a lot of leftists who are really skeptical of

teachers and don't want to support the teachers union. And I get it, like, there are a lot of teachers who really suck, and there's a lot of teachers who are not radical, like most teachers are not radical, a lot of them are pretty conservative. But at the same time, if you were to abolish schools immediately right now and break up the teachers unions, and all that you're gonna get end up with. Rich people go to school, poor

people don't. If your poor, your kid goes to work, probably won't be in a coal mine, but you know they'll probably be like soldering my computer chips or coded or something for like pennies an hour. And I don't want that world. And if you actually care about labor, then you need to support teachers unions because um, the public schools are central to all these communities that we want to be reaching, and the unions are the only

thing making sure that they stay public. Yeah. Yeah, that's like I almost like again like to to to to anarchist comrades were anti school. It's like yeah, like okay, I hate school. I'm for a d D. Schooling is great, but we need to do other things first. Yeah you have to And like again like that you need to

like like support the workers, not the institution. Like it's like it's like saying I'm a vegan, so I'm going to go after McDonald's in place, like just like like so like I I my high school was like all the th much like incredibly conservative, but everyone was still in the union. That was like the one that was the one thing that was like, well, okay, there there

there were two counter failing forces. One was that I the Christians didn't seem to understand what liberation theology was, so occasionally they'd accidentally hire leftist because they were like, oh, you're a Christian, You're fine, you're from America. We're not going to question you further. The second thing was that even everyone, everyone was in the Union, and that was like, that was that was literally the only those are the

only two left wing. Like I've gotten into so many teaching spaces by talking about how I like critical pedagogy and I didn't understand Fry was a conference, yeah, or being like, oh, I'm really really really into Chicago history. I especially love the history of like labor in Chicago because it's it's huge people here about it and they don't get that like I'm an anarchist, you know, And and a lot of the like um sort of like

education reform language. I think it's very funny. It is just lifted from radical like sociologists and anthropologists and educators who are trying to find ways to um dismantle like authoritarian structures in schools, and so they'll come up with these like Um, you know, like restorative practices and all this stuff, and then they kind of get they make their way up to the Ivory Tower and then get repackaged in this It's it's like, I don't know, it's

like a machine or something that like sucks up radical ideas, brings them up to the academy, repackages them to make them nice for politicians, and then spits them back out And it is exhausting and I hate it. It makes me so mad. I'll never forgive people for what they did to the term restorative justice. Yeah, do you have anything else that you want to make sure that people like understand about what's happening in the schools right now? Um, I guess just the biggest thing is I want people

to understand that like it. This is a question of when and under what conditions are we going to be forced into a remote learning situation. This isn't like we want remote learning because we like it because it's fun. It's because it's going to happen if you like it or not. The schools are going to close if you like it or not, because the unless you're okay with just like people are going to get sick and die and or going to work sick, which I think most

of us agree that's insane. Um it is there are you We're going to be in a situation where we don't have enough staff to keep buildings open. So either we can try and mitigate that now and keep that from happening, or we can just start our hands up

and say, fine, let's let the schools collapse. I don't want the schools to collapse, So, um, if we could just go remote for two weeks and get some good testing in and have a vaccine requirement, And personally, I would like to advocate for remote as an option for parents who want it. I don't think that's on the table right now, but um, I think more parents out there should be demanding it. And I also would like to say to parents, you have a lot of power

that you don't understand. Um. The school districts listen to the parents so much more than the teachers. One parents voice is worth like ten teacher voices. So if you see something going on in your schools that you're not comfortable with, if you have questions, contact your principles, contact the district, talk to people, talk to the other parents

that you know, organize yourselves. Um, if we had you know, strong parent organizations on our side, we would be absolutely unstoppable and we could have the school system that we want and that our kids deserve. Yeah, and I think I like the right figured this out a long time ago that you absolutely, Yeah, look at what they're doing

to the school board meetings with CRT. We could have that for people who are actually good people who care, like there's no there's no reason that all the other parents couldn't be going and saying I want my kids to learn about race, and I want them to be wearing masks, and I want everybody to be vaccinated. Yeah. So I think I think I think that's a good note to end on. We you know, we can make this better. We just have to, you know, work together. Yeah.

Do you have anything that you want to plug, Like, do you have a way to support the teachers who Um, I think I'll send you a flyer that we have. It has some information for contacting Alderman, getting COVID tests and our petition to sign um. If you could post that, I would really appreciate it. I definitely can definitely do that. Awesome, Thank you, Thanks coming on. Yeah, good talking to you. It could Happen Here as a production of cool zone

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