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Welcome to It could Happen here, a podcast about things falling apart. And you know, folks, season one of this, if you listened way back in twenty nineteen, we focused a lot on my fears about a massive coming civil conflict in the United States, you know, along the lines of a civil war, but sort of based around my experiences in civil conflicts in Ukraine and Iraq and Syria a number of other parts of the world prior to
twenty twenty. And one of the reasons I'm bringing this up right now is because, you know, what I experienced with the fighting in Isis in Iraq was kind of instrumental in me understanding how conflict looked in the modern era, and how the United States was closer to a conflict like that than I think a lot of folks would normally, especially people who are kind of obsessed with the idea of a civil war. As two big armies in gray and blue marching at each other, we're willing to kind
of to contend with. And when I was starting that reporting over there, you know, taking my first trips to Iraq, one of the first things that I did was watch every Isis beheading video and some of the Al Qaida in Iraq beheading videos prior to that, not as a voyeuristic thing, but because I felt like, if I was going to take myself and another person into that situation, the responsible thing to do was make myself very informed
of what the stakes were. And I'm bringing this all up not because we're talking about the Middle East today, because we are talking about a beheading video, probably the first beheading video directly tied to the US culture war that I can name. And I'm going to throw to Garrison Davis now.
All right, So last week, I believe most of this went down. On January thirtieth, a thirty two year old man named Justin Mohan shot his father in the head with a handgun he bought the day previously, and then used a kitchen knife and machete to allegedly again this is all a quote unquote, allegedly allegedly yes to, allegedly.
Alleged by him in the video that he recorded, Yes, cut off his father's head in a bathtub.
He put it in a pot and then recorded a video which he posted publicly onto YouTube. It was about fifteen minutes long, titled Moan's militia called to Arms for American Patriots, where he ranted about a number of things and mostly called for the killing of federal employees. He fled. I think he went a slightly upstate towards a National Guard training camp and then was arrested a few hours later after his mother found the severed head and body of her husband in the house that they all lived
in together. This is one of the most bizarre acts of extremist violence that I've come across in terms of like the amount of research I've done to this, and I think it kind of points at a this trend of extremist acts of violence done by people who have a lot of content on the Internet, not just like posting manifestos, but like are positioning themselves as some form of like alternative content creator. This guy had a lot
of music, had a lot of self published books. In lieu of leaving like a complete single manifesto, we get these just years of writing and like artistic creations that now live on archive dot org as kind of ghosts of this guy's presence.
And I think what's interesting about that is that shift between and I think the christ Church shooter is probably like the KT boundary of this particular evolutionary shift from like the norm would be that you would produce a specific manifesto as an act, like a political act, as part of whatever of active violence you carried on. The goal was both to inspire other people to act and to, you know, partly just to frame yourself as something besides
alone maniac. And I think one of the things that's really interesting about this shift to an increasing number of these people representing what they're doing in fiction in some way or in some other kind of creative endeavor is that it sort of mirrors the idea that like, in our culture, the thing that people most want to be is some sort of like influencer content creator, Like that's the top desired job among like a lot of gen Z kids. And it's also just increasingly like the thing
that people creatively want to see themselves as. And so like, I think this fits into this trend of violence that is that is foreshadowed by someone, not by a work of like political thought, you know, which you may not want to think of a manifesto as that, but that is what it is, but is preceded instead by art.
Yeah, So I think I'll talk about a few kind of semi similar or at least other cases that have some curious linkages. Probably close to the end of the episode, but I have some writing here prepared about about the beheading video itself, and then a few other kind of random stuff about the art that he's made, and Robert will probably fill in some useful gaps because Robert acquired a very special piece of literature recently.
So the night that this went down, as soon as I found out this guy had written not just a book, but multiple books, I was like, well, I kind of want to read these, and I know they're going to get pulled by tomorrow and Amazon will probably Amazon can just take back the kindle books that you buy from them. So I ordered a hard copy of the book that seemed like the most meaningful to him. It's called The
Second Messiah, King of Earth by Justin Mohan. It is distressingly thick, like four hundred and fifty pages or so. It is so much book, and the weird thing about it, I've read through a chunk of it and we will be getting to some of it. It's not badly written, and I want to be clear, I'm not saying that like he's a good writer in the commercial sense, or that he's a good writer in that like he's a skilled artist. I'm saying that, like it's clear writing. You're
always sure what he's trying to say. When he depicts the vinces happening. Those events are crazy, but like he's they're clearly depicted, which is interesting to me. And yeah, we will be hearing about more of that in part too. But I have learned a decent amount about him from this book, The Second Messiah, King of Earth.
So let's get into that fifteen minute video. He starts by holding up what is alleged to be his father's head inside a plastic bag. He holds it up for a few seconds and then starts talking. Now, my initial reaction to this video is just how unremarkable most of this rant is. There's like calling for killing federal employees, which is like the one thing people do that. But also you can hear so many of the sentiments that he talks about from Fox News contributors, from popular right
wing podcast hosts, and even sitting politicians. They also talk about how quote America is rotting from the inside out, as far left woke mobs rampage are once prosperous cities, turning them into lawless zones. Unquote. Yeah, use that term a lot. Lawless zones. That's a key term. Probably comes up like about ten times across this whole video.
And I want to I think we need to start before we get further into this with the elephant in the room, which is like a lot and what a lot of people have said about this guy, Well, this man was mentally ill, and that is absolutely the case. Yeah, I add the disclaimer whenever we talk about mental illness and mass shootings, people who are mentally ill, people who are schizophrenic are not more likely to do this kind of violence than anybody else. But that said, when they
do it, they're also not necessarily less responsible. And what I mean by that is a person can be mentally ill and engage in a shooting and that doesn't mean you shouldn't pay attention to what they are or another act of violence. That doesn't mean you don't pay attention to why they're saying they did it. The fact that this guy is clearly I believe, schizophrenic does not mean that his reasons for doing this are immaterial. Because most people who have whatever mental illness this guy did have
do not cut their dad's head off. So the fact that he is justifying it with this very boilerplate set of right wing culture war grievances is meaningful. And it's meaningful because absent that influence in his life, perhaps he either doesn't carry out an act of violence or it's at least a very different looking one. And so I think that is important to just get out to upfront.
No, he certainly had years of experiencing paranoia, some conspiratorial thinking, but specifically the ey are directed towards his own conception of the federal government and how it is leading to society decay. Is what sparked this act of violence and is why he called for copycat killings. So yes, inside this rant, Justin Mohan talks about taxes, inflation, and an
economy that no longer serves American citizens. He mentions how the traitorous Biden regime is sending over American troops to fight in a doomed war in the Russian winter, leaving America defenseless against a quote fifth column army of illegal immigrants invading our southern border to strike Americans on our own soil unquote. That's another term he uses a lot Fifth Column. Yeah, says it like four or five times.
And that's a very old term. That's a term that you would hear in a lot of John Birch materially from the middle of the last century, you know.
So.
Moan identified himself as quote the commander of America's National Network of Militias, also known as Moan's Militia, which seems to be mostly a delusion. He had no known connections to actual militias in his state or any other states. This seemed to be an idea that he got into his own head. He then ordered all quote militias and patriots across the country to quote hunt down and murder every federal employee on site, and to seize all courthouses, FBI,
i rs, and federal law enforcement offices. To kill and capture all border patrol, US marshals, federal agents, and judges, and quote torture them for information, and publicly execute them for betraying the country. Unquote. He had this, really, he had this line that stuck out to me. I didn't copy. This is a long video. I did not copy every single thing he said. He also, this is one line he included earn your place in heaven by sending a traitor to hell early with just the cold, like, very
like emotionless way. He said, that kind of stuck with me.
Yes, and that is not a belief that you have to go to a guy experiencing mental health crisis to find. You can hear shades of this all over fucking Twitter, among other places.
You can hear this if you listen to certain right wingers give public comment like yeah, in your local city council like it's not so. Moan asked that police, veterans, and National Guard join the fight, or else cities like Philadelphia will turn into lawless zones like Portland and San Francisco. He also asked local militias to be his own personal security force so that federal employees do not try to arrest him.
Yeah.
He said that state governments should be left alone unless they intervene in his revolution, quote the federal government is the enemy. Then Mohn declared that quote Joe Biden is no longer in power. I am now officially the acting president under martial law unquote. He ordered military generals to not deploy US troops against US militias and instead join their fight to defend the constitution.
It would be fun if the constitution worked that way, if like they'd put that in back in seventeen eighty seven, like oh yeah, and if you know, if martial law is declared. He's not around yet, but there's going to be this guy just in Mode. He's a charge.
So this is one thing that I'm still slightly confused on. Well, there's a few things that are obviously confusing. It seems confusing. But Mode offered a one million dollar bounty on a number of high level federal US employees, and one hundred thousand dollars for every federal judge and even docksed one in Pennsylvania. He claimed to currently have ten million dollars to exhaust on these bounties. And that is not that's just not true.
Yes, definitely not.
Man constantly complains about how he's in a poor financial situation as a result of a number of factors. He does not have ten million dollars. Now, he ordered all non military federal employees to resign before ending up like his father. Now, his father was an employee at the US Army Corps of Engineers for most twenty years. He resigned. I think like last year or a few years back. It's interesting he called for specifically non military federal employees
to resign. He was very pro military. I'm not sure if his father working for the US Army Corps engineers that fits in to his ideology here. But we're not laying out a clear line of thinking.
Obviously it is. This is just slightly off topic. But it's never not fascinating to me how strong the feeling of emotional attachment to the US military is. Like that even this guy would be like, this guy who was so clearly deranged and violent about this kind of thing would be like but they're the exception. Like, there's obviously still basically good. It's just interesting to me. What else is interesting to me, Garrison, is where our money comes from. And you know where our money comes from.
The Federal Reserve.
Yes, actually we are sponsored entirely, entirely by the Federal Reserve. So please, I mean literally, anything you do will I guess help the Federal Reserve. So go exist in capitalism, and we're back.
Speaking of another federal agency. One agency that Moan addressed directly was calling for the Postal Service to suspend all services split from the federal government. Or else he will not be able to offer protection. And Jesus Christ, no, that's negotiating with the postal service. That's very funny. I mean this is serious, but that is kind of funny. This guy isn't a Nazi. He's a Nazi. He's an extremist. He is a he is a conservative extremist.
He does repeatedly in his book, by the way, also talk about like racism being bad like that is like very much a consistent through line.
But some of this like kill your local post type stuff certainly reflects a strain of extremist, neo Nazi thinking, that particularly James Mason's stuff from the eighties.
Yes, so he.
Also said, quote, if the media spreads lives with this revolution, I authorize the targeting of news stations, their owners and employees. General kind of conservative, anti anti news, anti journalist rhetoric.
Quote.
The hunting, capturing, and killing of America's federal employees will not stop until americans demands are met and the network
of America's traders is wiped out. Unquote. Now, some of these demands that he called for includes closing the borders, a mass deportation of immigrants that have entered under the Biden regime, ceasing all human trafficking of children and sex slaves, which is obviously already illegal, canceling all public debt, an end to the Federal Reserve, restore Congress's right to print interest free money, and I'm ceasing all of the quote
woke and gender ideology propaganda in the schools unquote. So we have a weird mix of like very like libertarian stuff like the Federal Reserve, interest free money, and then other more popular conservative stuff around like the border, and then this thing about woke and gender ideology.
Yeah, there's even a little like Nessarrah Jesra stuff in there too, about like the whole like allow the government to print interest free money again, Like that's that's it's interesting that that's mixed in tomato as well.
Yeah, yeah, you know, it's a it's a curious collection of political thought. Now, traders to the country included not just federal employees, but also quote bribed members of the deep state, labor racketeers of the prison industrial complex, and globalist leaders of assorted industries unquote. Now there's there's a lot to unpacked there. Bribe members of the deep state.
I think it doesn't need any explanation. But Moone had this idea that labor unions were working with with corporations to make straight white males have a hard time to find jobs, so they would so that they would always be unemployed. And unemployment leads to people being arrested and sent to prison as a way to fund the court system. So this is what he means by labor racketeers of
the prison industrial complex. It's that labor unions are colluding with the government and businesses to keep certain sects of the population unemployed to fill up prisons. Now, in terms of globalist leaders of a sort of industries, he specifically was talking about big tech companies that commit tax evation. He claimed that he used to work for Microsoft and witnessed massive tax evation. I have not looked into that. I do not believe he.
Worked to definitely do, Yet they all do. It's not I don't think they break the law because they have whole departments of people who are there to make sure that at least they're not breaking the law enough that it will matter. But like whatever I mean again, some of this does. Some of all grievances like this come from real things like corporations like Microsoft that are tremendously wealthy do not pay their fair share, and in fact
do a great deal to allid their tax burden. He's just like, Yeah, It's one of the frustrating things about this is how all of this actual malfeasance feeds into these delusions and feeds into the conspiratorial narratives of the people that take advantage of people like justin Yep.
He said that martial law will continue as long as Americans support him and until America is secured enough to hold a legitimate election, and that Moan would authorize police a military to use any force necessary to take back America's city is from quote fifth column extremist organizations such as the LGBT community, the BLM movement, and terrorist organizations
like Antifa unquote. This is where he went on a whole Antifa rant, saying Antifa is a part of the federal government's systematic, top down, globalist and communists takeover of America. Moan stress the importance of capturing alive quote one of the key players involved in this treason, or else they will never be able to discover the entire network of evil unquote. So Moane blamed Antifa, BLM and the LGBTQ community for stoking a division to create a race war
and religious war. It's it's just it's it's it's it's hard to hold to hold the justification of your You're accusing people of stoking division as you're holding up the severed head of your father. Like, there's just that a complete disconnect here. Quote. The government has disallowed any peaceful solution. Violence is the only solution to the federal government's treason and the actions of their fifth column terrorist organizations like Antifa. This is an ideological and spiritual war.
Unquote Yeah, very similar in some ways to what McVeigh was saying, right, Like, this is the only way to communicate with the government. It's the only language that they understand.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And then lastly, he kind of closes this video with a further look into some of his own political delusions. He said that before the twenty twenty elections, electors and campaign contributors from both parties said that they saw Justin Mohan as the best candidate for the president of America. He's thirty two years old. He was like twenty eight
back in twenty twenty. Quote, I could have been the first unanimously elected president, but I was betrayed by the FBI, federal courts, and my own family because there are people that believe I am the Messiah, which goes against the government's satanic communist ideology.
A quick note, if all of those groups didn't want you to be president, how would you have been elected unanimously or would the FBI have been like, well, now that he's on the ballot, we got to vote for the guy.
So after saying there are many people that believe I am the Messiah, he then said, quote, I would never compare myself to Jesus Christ unquote, which is not true. He has many times.
Yeah, he sure has, you know, most notably in the title of his book, The Second Messiah, King of Earth by Justin Mohan. Yeah, although that is about his self. Insert character who he says lives a life identical to his named Buster moon.
Buster moon uh huh. And then I will do the last little bit about this video. Quote, if there is a federal employee in your family, make it your New Year's resolution to kill them in order to protect your own children unquote. And then Moan followed that by quoting from Matthew ten twenty one. This is a verse in the New Testament. Brothers and sisters will betray one another
and have each other put to death. Parents will betray their own children, and children will turn against their parents and have them killed unquote.
It's interesting because I've heard that sided before, and usually it was in like older conspiracies of the New World Order, and like, yeah, that's what they believed the evil anti Christ you win regime was going to do to them. It's fun to hear someone be like, that's what we have to kill the families of the people who are.
I don't think that's what he's actually saying. He's saying like he's talking about how he is felt betrayed by his own family and by the government.
Oh gotcha, Okay, that makes sense.
This points to like this massive disconnect in his own head. This is the betrayal he's talking about. Is he is using this verse as a reference to like the end times, but he's saying like, this is the betrayal that we're seeing, and in response, now we have to do this. So on I'm going to quote from ABC News here. So the US Martiall Service investigated Moan in August or twenty twenty three, after he allegedly made a threat against a US district court judge. The case was closed that same month.
He was reported to police pretty frequently for this bizarre behavior in his own neighborhood, like sitting on manhole covers and staring at houses for hours on end. Now Moan has held conspiratorial and anti government views for at least seven years in attempt to recruit people to join his Moans militia on Reddit and Discord, though no one seemed to join, and then at least one Discord server threw him out
because of his repeated recruitment attempts. And after fleeing home after he posted that video, he drove more than one hundred miles north and broke into the Pennsylvania National Guard base with a gun and then was arrested after he was tracked there on his cell phone. There is a song that Justin wrote about three years ago about being arrested after being tracked on his cell phone after doing violence against his family.
You think he would have like not had a cell phone on him, given that he was aware of that as a risk, But.
I don't know if he was really thinking large like, yeah, if you watch the video, like he thinks National Guard is going to like join him, Yea, He's not thinking about it that way. So yeah, I believe Moan is published at this point nine books. I'm going to read from his Amazon about page. Justimona is the author of seven books now nine, and a musician of three albums
and one single. His life story is unbelievable and there may not be enough words to describe him, but one may begin to understand his complexity and experiences through his art. He only wishes to bring positive change to the world. Now I will I will talk about some of those some of those other books after we take a quick ad break here and learn about some important messages from our sponsors.
Yeah.
So justin Mohan's bibliography, here we go. So I think Robert has one of his books, The Second Messiah, King
of Earth. Yeah, there is many other books he's published, including a book Startling Number, a book called The Pink, a book called Poems I Wrote, Well Stoned, a collection of poems They will Burn, this book, The Punishing America's Coming Bloody Revolution, The Kingdom of Darkness, Dark Ages of the Future, a collection of short stories, and finally, The Revolution Leader's Survival Guide, How schools, workplaces, and social norms kill the genius inside us.
All not bad at titling, you know, so pretty pretty effective. Good for SEO.
I'm on board.
Let's start with that last book here, The Revolution Leader's Survival Guide. It targets the quote constraints against education, creativity, and human progress throughout history unquote, and the book is mostly about Moan's own inability to find a high paying enough job after college. This is a reoccurring trend in a lot of his books, including I Believe the one that Robert has. Moan complains about student loans, how America's education system is faulty, and talks about being bullied in
school as a kid. I'm going to quote from the book's description. The author views the world on the brink of either a golden age of world peace and space colonization, or instead a second dark age of global wars and depopulation within the next couple of decades, if not sooner. Included within the book is a transcript of a letter Justin Mohan wrote to Donald Trump, warning that if America does not go under some great changes, Moan himself will
have to lead a peaceful revolution. In another book titled The Kingdom of Darkness, published on May thirteenth, twenty twenty, it's a novel about Satan and fallen angels becoming quote trapped inside Earth's slowliest creatures after being banished from heaven. He has a whole bitch of other like fantasy and sci fi type books like Aliens, Space Exploration, a weird
collection a genre. In a pamphlet he self published on Amazon in August of twenty twenty, titled America's Coming Bloody Revolution, the small book contains two chapters, one titled Why a violent Revolution is Inevitable and a second titled How Revolution can be successful. Moan wrote, quote, Americans will have to weigh what is worse allowing themselves to lose freedom and independence or killing their own family members, teachers, workers, bosses, judges,
elected leaders, and other older generations unquote. This is where we get a lot of like a predictive writing around what he's going to be doing. Mohne described older generations as quote traders who wished to to take away the freedom and independence that comes with America democracy and free market capitalism, which leads me then to the book that Robert has the Second Messiah, which was published in January
of twenty twenty. It's about a man named Buster Moon who moves from Ohio to Colorado and quote painfully learns the dark secret of Colorado from everything containing satanic cults, the Democratic Party, and the Cold War. Now we will get more into this book, specifically in a later episode. I'm going to read a little bit from the back cover.
The only thing more absurd than this fiction book is the fact that it's loosely based on the life of author and musician Justin Mohan, whose four years stay in Colorado caused multiple lawsuits, changed the possible outcome the twenty twenty US presidential election by exposing three presidential candidates as corrupt,
which forced them to drop out of the race. We have more of these presidential delusions that he was talking about at the end of his beheading video here, and in terms of how this mirrors, like I said, we'll learn more about this book later, but I will talk now some about his actual personal life, which will then become slightly reflected in the book, Like going to Colorado Springs.
He graduated from Penn State with a business management degree and sued the federal government multiple times for letting him take out student loans that he was forced to pay back. The most recent case was last year, where he sued for ten million dollars because despite getting a degree with the loans, he was unable to quote find a satisfactory job as an over educated way man to repay the loan, claiming that he was a victim of affirmative action and
reverse discrimination. In a previously dismissed lawsuit against the Department of Education, he alleged that they neglectfully and fraudulently induced him to borrow money to pay for his education without sufficiently warning him of the possibility that he would face a difficult job market and could be unable to pay
back his student loan. So Mohan did move to Colorado, just like Buster Moon about ten years ago, eventually getting a job at Progressive Insurance, but was fired in twenty seventeen for kicking down a door and quote breaking the
company's code of conduct. Mon then sued Progressive in twenty nineteen for not receiving promotions because he was a man in his Violent Revolution pamphlet, mon claims that he was a victim of discrimination from quote being a top performing over educated and overqualified male employee unquote, and in that same pamphlet, Mohan wrote that his educational, employment and legal issues are evident that there is quote no peaceful solution
for the youth to escape debt based enslavement, unemployment, and ultimately imprisonment. He compared his experience to quote the Soviet Union's feared goolog prison labor system and in which entire states and countries were essentially turned into concentration camps. Moan wrote that educators and parents who quote knowingly lie, brainwash, and dumb down their youth unquote, must be killed to prevent the spread of quote globalized communism and corporate agendas.
This is where we have an interesting combination of like anti communism fears but also anti corporatism that you see in some sects of like libertarian conservatism, You sure do. He claims that communism is like a virus and that America must treat it like a virus. Quote. The only logical way to do so is for every American born in nineteen ninety one or later to kill anyone born before nineteen ninety one unquote.
Well now he's cooking, okay, okay, yeah, yeah, I'm back on board. I'm back on board.
You know this could work, and said that was the year that he was born. Uh huh yeah, yeah, logical logical point to divide it on. I'd respected more if he'd been born earlier, you know. But so I already mentioned some of his music. It had similar predictive elements of he was doing art in almost like in practice of what he was then going to later do in person in terms of carrying and violence, as well as just evident of kind of delusional and paranoid thinking. He
has a song about being gang stocked. He has a song about I think like a girlfriend who broke up with him. He has songs talking about how it's okay to kill communists and how we're overall seeing a decline in American society. So that that is most of what I have to say about Justinemona. I could certainly say
a whole lot more now. On top of my research onto him himself, I also wanted to look at the sort of online chatter that neo Nazis and other extremists were saying, and I put together, hey, a large catalog of telegram a conversation about Justin moun watching the spread of certain conspiracy theories around this incident, and just to see what their overall take was, I will I will paraphrase my like eighty page research document here by saying,
it seems most Naziis and other white supremacists or far right extremists thought that the Justinmone incident was quote fake and gay unquote.
Okay, they tend to keep up with these these thought fluencers. Really glad that they're kidding some of their side.
Many other far right extremists took this to be a syop. Sure, they thought it was an attempt to push forward this anti militia bill that's being talked about, as well as distract from the crisis at the southern border. Certain white spremacists were upset that he used the phrase to Judeo Christian values because they are anti Semitic and Justin Mone
did not seem to be consciously anti Semitic. Yeah, and we had we had these conspiracy theories travel everywhere, from standard kind of neo Nazi telegram accounts to more conservative Boomer Mega type stuff as well, mostly picking up on like the on the on the anti militia angle, how this is probably a syop from the deep state. To push forward this anti militia bill. Some people thought thought they were very clever and realizing this was a syop
because they thought justinmone was thirty three years old. And there's this conspiracy theory around the number thirty three in a lot of these circles, the conspiracies around how the number thirty three is used a lot in like mass shooting incidents. Now it's not this is just pattern recognition. But also mon isn't thirty three, He's thirty two, So great, great work there. And there's specifically one telegram channel that found a prop head I believe on.
Etsy, Yeah, like a prop severed head.
Yeah, we started seeing this spread all over Twitter, conservative news sites. How this has to be fake because look we found we found the fake head they used, which is quite simply not the severed head that Justin Moone's
holding up in the video. I don't think really much useful else to say about these conspiracy theories, but yeah, they certainly were kind of laughing along at some of like the Gangstalker e elements, thinking, you know, some people obviously thought he was based and cool for actually doing some of the ideological things that these Nazis believe in. Others thought it was it's just fun to make fun of a guy, so they decided it was a syop. Yeah, that is most of what I had to say about Justin Mohan.
Well, this has been quite an inspiring journey. We are going to have more to say about Justin and finally get into his book, The Second Messiah, King of Earth, which is in a way become my Bible. I think I may I may keep this in my apocalypse go bag, so I can do like a book of Eli with this thing. If the world ends, just be wandering alone across the wasteland telling everybody about this man's book, I guess.
Finally, the last thing I'll say is that this reminds me of two recent incidents. Had one mass shooting done by a Nazi in Denver, Colorado, and he previously wrote and made short films depicting the murder that he would then do. We also had the Highland Park shooting on July fourth a few years back. Who the person who did that created a lot of music online in this very like I would say the Highland Park music was much more in like the Schizowave genre of extremist content.
I think the stuff, the stuff that Justin Mohan is producing is honestly more like the stuff that schizo Wave is like parodying, Like Justin Moans was a lot more like sincere, less less ironic. Uh, it was, it was, it was. It was just like taken at face value, these two instances I was reminded of just because of how much those acts of violence were predated by artistic expressions of the later thing that they would end up doing.
And in Mohan's case, it's exactly the same. He has written about killing family members, He's written about the exact way he would be arrested and tracked down writing that goes back like four five years. This is there's so many people online who have exact who are in this same scenario, who are putting out this type of writing. No one knows who they are. Mone had like five
listeners on Spotify. These people are unknown, and every once in a while one of them decides that writing about it isn't enough and they actually do it in the real world. And it's just this, It's just it's this interesting trend of these people like almost like hyperstitioning these own acts of violence by making art that predates it almost in some forms like preparation.
Yeah, yeah, And we talked about hyperstition as a concept a bit in last weeks Behind the Bastards, but it is. It is a term for essentially the methods and ways
by which things that are fictional become real. And it can be kind of as esoteric as the idea of like preparing the way for a godlike AI by like spreading belief and that sort of thing, or it can be as direct like as this, as as somebody envisioning the acts they're going to carry out in fiction and then carrying out those acts for real, like it on an individual level, what you're doing when you're doing this is you're kind of you are preparing yourself mentally for
the thing that you're going to do. And when I would sort of lecture and talk about what to how to know something is like a real threat versus somebody saying shit on the internet, because that's obviously that's a real problem when we talk about this, there's a huge quantity of people saying stuff that could be them presaging like an act of violence, and you simply can't go after everything. And one of the key things for me always is what have they gone and done anything in
the real world. So, for example, if a guy has like been going out and like egging homeless people or like lighting their shit on fire, and is also talking about murdering homeless people, well that's probably a guy who's going to do something right because he's actively going out in the real world in taking steps, he's prepping himself.
And I think this kind of work. When somebody's written a whole novel about their murder fantasies, obviously that's not a thing you can invest your convict on, but like nor should it be. But that is somebody who is doing more than bullshitting online. That's somebody who has a fixation that they clearly can't get over, and those do sometimes lead to violence. And so yeah, I think I think it's really valid to look at this as not just a couple of incidents that are troubling, but as
evidence of a troubling trend. Yep, all right, well that does a frustrating comment.
Yeah, all right, Please do not earn your place in heaven by sending a trader to hell early. It does not see to work out very well.
No, earn your place in heaven. I don't actually have a joke to finish this episode with, Don't Don't commit Murder.
Bye.
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