Area 51 and the Surveillance Industrial Complex: Spooky Week #3

are we? We're we're doing We're where it can happen here, We're doing this is this is This is a podcast where we talk about spooky stuff that happens around Halloween, and today we are doing the spookiest thing of all, which will be revealed shortly. Oh boy, I hope it's Will Wheaton. Is not what Wheaton? Well, unfortunately the spook I really I really should have looked for that tie in because there might be one. Is the CIA asset?

We might get there? I don't know. Okay, see this is this is I'm hacking a fraud and I didn't actually look into this. Yeah, well we missed it, you and most journalists. Yeah, all right, what are we? What are we doing? What do we do? It? On June four, a rancher named W. W. Mac Brazil and his son Vernon with driving me across their property when they encountered quote a large area of bright wreckage made up of

rubber strips, tinfoil, and rather tough paper and sticks. Yeah me too, Just a regular night in in in Oregon. But yeah, yeah, well buzzles back in a time where people are baffled when weird things happened, instead of going oh it's Tuesday, so oh man, what a time. Yeah,

so they didn't just go straight to Twitter. No, no, he he, you know, he doesn't think that was Actually, you know, I kind of like reasonably a reasonably responsible thing to do in which is that he spends about a week like picking up all of the scraps that he can and like putting them in a box, and that he drives it to the sheriff, and the sheriff

his name is George Will. That says a lot about the difference in urgency back then, where it's like, oh, this is important, I'll spend a week getting everything together, take it off to the share. Like before the Internet, you could really afford to sit. It was an era in which, like if you had a busy life. Three things happened. Okay, yeah, So so George Wilcox, the sheriff, looks at this and it's like, I have no idea what any of this crap is, Like, what is happening?

So he takes it to Roswell Air Force Base for further investigation. Now, Colonel Butch Blache, the commander of Roswell Airfields of five O nine Composite Group you know send sends a team out to analyze the wreckage, which includes an Air Force intelligence officer named Major Major Jesse Marcel. Now Marcel gives a now infamous series of quotes to the media that results in the Roswell Daily Record running

the sentence quote. The Intelligence office of the five O ninth Bombardment Group at Roswell Airfield announced at noon that the field has come into possession of a flying saucer. Now this is the birth. Yeah, I mean, this isn't the birth of modern uphiology, but this is, you know this, this is one of the most important error events. And the pictures do rule all of all of the Roswell pictures are super rad because it's just random ship in the field and they're like it's aliens. There's a random

ship in the field. Now, this this is all happening to be just like like scattered sort of reports of UFOs that have been cropping up throughout the sort of like the post war era. Yeah, and the next day, the Air Force releases a statement saying there's no flying saucer in the wreckage. Is just an air balloon? Is this you know it's it's it's just why the are yeah, yeah, so the airport sure air Force weather balloon. Yeah. Yeah,

they're lying. Everyone knows they're lying. But this is where things get bad, because when Mark Brazil really discovered with something even spookier and more sinister an aliens. Mark Brazil had discovered was the American military industrial complex. That's what's really spooky. It's it's it's real spooky. It's yeah, we're by by by the end of this episode they will have I had to cut two times. They almost killed

everyone on Earth. Okay, well all right, so we're gonna be judging folks for almost killing everyone on Earth, like you haven't almost killed everyone on Earth? Come on, that's true, that's true. Podcasting saves me from a mass distinction of the entire human race and will eventually end all life on this planet. I believe in podcastings potential to kill absolutely everyone. Yeah, it's it's great, It's it's a time.

It's actually you know this part part of this is actually going to be about how we get to the point where everyone is podcasting on the internet, develop things that that does. This does absolutely plague in to the swell incident. Yeah, because there's a there's a strong line between ship like Coast to Coast FM and the old like conspiracy you know, the precursors to that alien UFO whatever radio shows and ship on the on the wide band back in the day, and uh in the podcasts

where we are right now. Yep, it's it's great, it's a it's a good time. We're descended from great media. We're going to continue to produce green media where totally not just like an extremely a much larger version of the radio broadcast you get right before genocide. That's like, that's not what's happening here. It's all in fact good and cool. I mean, this is why I tell people to get machetes. It's true. That was a bad yeah,

made that made that comment. Look, we just we just we just we just go to make sure only ways to blaze on right ahead. Now, the Air Force is lying out of its ass. But the Air Force isn't lying out of its ass because they have a flying saucer. The Air Force knows precisely what they've gotten their hands on here because the other identified flying object that has crashed at Roswell is actually something called Project Mogul. Now to understand Project Mogul, we need to go back a

little bit. Now, in the US drops two nuclear bombs of Japan. And this does a lot of things literally, all of which are bad um. And what one of which is that it sets off a sort of and it's it sets off you know, the thing that we all live in now, which is the nuclear arms race between the U S and the U S s R. Who you know, but pretty quickly after World War Two are just bitter enemies. And you know, by there's just bores raging across the world between commnist anti companist forces.

This is what's war in China, I mean in Greece, which I think people know. People know more about the Chinese of war, people know less about Greece. Were just like the British. The British are like, oh, the Communis are gonna take power, so they just like give all the guns back to the fascists and they start doing the Holocaust again, and that you know, sets off this

own and another civil war there. And you know, as as as Europe becomes you know, divided between the two great powers, the US becomes increasingly worried about the USSR crying acquiring their own nuclear weapons. So to detect the potential Soviet nuclear tests, the US embarked on Project Mogel. Project Mogul sent six d and fifty seven foot balloons. These are like massive, they're twice the size. That's actue of liberty. Yeah, those balloons are bigger than a balloon

needs to be. Yeah, they're they're too large. It's too big for balloons. And they so they load these balloons with like sensor and listening equipment to detecting nuclear detonation. They like they like float them into the upper jet stream, and the jet team like pushed them to Russia. Is sort of the plan behind it, And this sort of works,

except the Russians of nukes yet. So yeah, this, by the way, is also why the song Red Balloons was not just a banger, but also very realistic because we absolutely could have had a nuclear exchange over some fucking balloons. Oh yeah, yeah, Actually I'm not sure there's any direct balloon related near nuclear exchanges in this episode, but don't worry.

It happen. Yeah, well, you know, and what what what it did actually do was, you know, set off the modern UFO thing because you know what, one of these balloons like fails and it's it's views the records around and you know there's yeah, this this, you know, this

is this. Then you see a bunch of the problems that are gonna happen with the rest of how the course of UFOs God, because you know, you have initially the government's like we have a flying saucer and then they turn around and do this like incredibly half ass cover up that like everyone knows his fake and you know, you know, because Americans are Americans, they don't assume that like the US is, you know, creating a devastating new

surveillance and intelligence program that would used to further total nuclear war. Instead there you go, it's aliens. Yeah, because we're great at Okins Raiser. Yeah, yeah, it's it's a time. But I think what's really important here is it. What Brazil had actually made first contact with was America's new thermal nuclear monarchy. And this is something that I think more people should talk about, which is that having nukes just as a thing massively centralizes power into sort of

individual people, into the executive branch. Because you know, so if you have nuclear weapons, right, the theory is that you have to have one person who presses the button to shoot them, and you can't have like, you know, there's not enough time for like a parliament or delivered or body to like set the dukes off. And so this becomes this rationale for enormously centralizing the party executive branch.

And this this produces an absolutely terrifying new way you state secrecy, filled with increasingly powerful and clandestine government agencies and bureaucracies ranging from the CIA are good friends to the much lesser known Atomic Energy Commission, and these agencies the power of their secrecy is so strong that, I mean, by the NIES, atomic Energy Commissions like successor agency decides that they can keep secrets from the president on the basis that the president does not need to know, which

is absolutely horrifying. Well, yeah, I mean, look, it's just you've got a democracy, and that's going to be a problem because in a democracy, people presumably get to make choices, and if you don't want them to decide not to continue making weird ship to throw into the sky, then

you know why, you probably should just not tell anybody anything. Yeah, well, and that that particular story is also grim I it's one thing that's debating covering they're they're covering up the fact that they deliberately poisoned enormous like hundreds and hundreds of people with radiation, did human testing on them. Yeah, it doesn't like it doesn't need to know about you know. I mean it's like we don't tell Sophie. Guys, a

lot of the things that we do our budget. Um, like when we irradiated all those people for a podcast, we're we're still not telling Sophie that. Yeah, it could happen here, black budget remain secret. Yeah, it is a lot of money. Please continue. Now, all of the secrecy around this and the fact that these cover ups are like the most half asked ship anyone has ever seen, you know, it continue it fuels his rampant speculation around UFOs and the conspiracy theorists are also aided by the

fact that people keep seeing weird flying objects. Sure do we love we love to see weird ship in this guy. We are very good at it. Yeah, it's we're we're incredible. It's it and this guy is full of weird. It's true. I saw crow the other day anyway. Yeah, in ind if people start who are on airplanes start seeing these just enormous flaming crosses flying in possibly high and possibly fastened the sky and publicly k k's game spaceflight, it's

it's worse than that. It's it's it's the people. The people doing this are worse than the KKK, which is what a sentence. It's great, it's yeah. So so you know, in public, the U S. Governments like whatever, these aren't a thing. They're fake whatever their mediological to services. Uh. In private, the passengers who are on these jets that that see these flaming crosses are all detained by the FBI and sworn to secrecy after providing accounts of what

they'd seen. Awesome and yeah, and this this is also part of the surf ufil mythology. And this does actually happen, like that the FBI does actually show up to these people. Well, that's who you send in when you want people to stop wondering if something shady is going on. Yeah, yeah, it's here. The FBI is telling people to shut up about something. I think, well, that's not worth looking into

it all. When of five men in suits and sunglasses show that your talk about something, you know, that means definitely thing is fine and normal. You know what I don't think of when I think of the FBI UFO cover ups. It's great. Yeah, this is this. This is America's first contact with yet another new part of its

clandestine military military bureaucracy. Area fifty one. Area fifty one is a secret military aeronautics research and development facility built on a salt flat called Lake Groom inside the massive Nevada Test and Training Range. Um. This place, by the way, this place is massive. This place is like the size of connect Like it's like larger than Connecticut. It's larger than than most of the Eastern State. Yeah, it's enormous. And but you know it's something I think it's very

interesting about this is that, for all it's mystique. Area fifty one is not the most dangerous facility on the Nevada Tests and Training right now. That's there fifty two, the sub level below where they store the real weird ship. Yeah, okay, so I watched I watched a few YouTube videos. I think I know what I'm talking about. Well, definitely so that we are actually going to get all right, Yeah, Well, the thing that's actually really dangerous is areas twelve, nineteen

and twenty, because that's the Nevedic areas. Do these motherfucker's names there? All these things? Yeah, all the other thing because I mean this this this is like a state sized like testing facility, right, Okay, they get all these fucking areas, but the branch Davidians have one compound where they don't even do very many illegal things, and suddenly it's a problem. Here's the thing. Let's see Howans never had nukes, and that that that that could could you

imagine though pretty amazed. You know what if they'd had nukes, about like eight people would still be alive maybe they actually or everyone would be dead. Yeah, that's the two a d. People would be alive or everyone on earth would be did so. Area fifty one is the partner of the Nevada Test Site, which which is Areas twelve nineteen and twenty and that's where the real danger ship happens, which is the US test nuclear weapons there. Okay, but we need to make it clear at the outset we

should not be underestimating Area fifty one. That place has done irreparable harm to the cause of world peace and very nearly like cause us all to go extinct several times. So do not underestimate the power of of of military spy airplanes. Yeah, can lead us all destruction. Are honestly way more, way, more spooky than any little gray creatures

at large. Different various planes just with cameras on them have gotten us closer to the extermination of all life on Earth than basically anything else except for that one computer buck that that the Russians had that would have killed us all if not for Petrov I think his name is, I'd forget his last name. That one guy who was like, we're not going to have a new clear Ward right now. Well, there's there's a lot this is.

This is weirdly the Soviets come out looking like so it's like every every time there's almost a nuclear war, it's like it doesn't happen because the Soviets are like, no, and the Americans are like, we want this war and the like when it comes to atomic apocalypse stories, if you, if you, if you tally up all the columns, because the Soviets definitely have a few in their side, but it winds up way more fucked up nuke incidents on the U S side of things than the Soviet side

of things. Although there wasn't that time they built a bomb so big that it might have changed to the tilt of the earth if they and at the last moment they were like, let's take half of the zile material out of this. This seems like a bad idea. It's it's great, Yeah, so so speak speaking of bad ideas involving in involving nuclear weapons. So are oh no, I not thought you're doing a yeah speaking speaking bad ideas. You know what else will change the tilt of the earth?

The products and sir us is their quality. It's so intent that it's like the Czar bomba it is just like that explosive potential. Yeah. Area fifty one was founded in nineteen one by the Atomic Energy Commission, a federal agency established as a successor to the mother of all

black projects, the Manhattan Project. Now black projects are secret off the book's military defense projects, the existence of which are kept secret even from Congress, which is a totally cool and normal thing to have in a democracy when you're representative body does not know what anyone else what the military is doing. Now, Area fifty one is interesting because it's it's basically like a black project for a

black project. It's so secret that like the Vice President lb J, who is like not a funk off right Price, tod right, this is lv J, Like LBJ, He's he's like, yeah, yeah, and she's also gonna show up the story briefly, but yeah, like even he didn't actually really know what was going on there until like after JFK was assassinated. So this this place is really secret, and as best we can tell, in its first four years, it was essentially the Atomic

Energy Commission. I basically wanted a place to do off the books, like pilot and aircraft testing, and they're able to do the successfully that like we basically don't know what they did for four years. But yeah, but but but in nete five, the facility has taken over by an even spooky organization, the Central Intelligence Agency, our our

old friends. Now that the c I a you know, this is this nine five, and the CIA has spent the early years of the Cold War getting just it's absolute ass handed to it in Europe because you know, this is what happens with a bunch of different Harvard grads and like yeah, because people with acid and that's all they're doing. Yeah. Yeah. But the problem, so they're running into a real intelligence agency, which is the KGB, who like, like those guys do not around. I don't

just poison people with acid. They they they they're they they're They're much much more intense than than the early fifties the CIA. Yeah, yeah, and so and so they have this real problem which is that they the CIA basically can't get intelligence out of Eastern Europe, which is bad when your whole, like your entire like state is based off of like fighting Eastern Europe. So this kind of your main target. Yeah. Yeah, So the solution is to fly a plane really high over Russia and uses

to take pictures. Yeah, Like I think like this sounds like I think kind of banal to us in the twenty one century, where like this is this is like this is like this is like pre satellite Yeah yeah, and you know, like like we were all just sort of used to the fact that like the government minutes buying on us at all times. We sure are, but you know, in in in the nine this is incredibly radical. Like the the US, the US has only had intelligence agencies for like ten years, and there is no precedent

at all. There's none, no precedent for flying surveillance over a country you aren't actively at war with, Like the only reason you fly airplane over countries if you're about to bomb them. People should note also that like the first ten years or so that we had an intelligence industry, every single or that we had an intent like intelligence agencies, every single vote for funding them, every single like vote for giving them new powers was like universally supported by

both parties. There was there was zero dissent about whether or not we should have a c I A and they should have a giant black budget to do all sorts of scary ship that might provoke a nuclear war. People are just like, well, of course it's really bad, and I think this is this is you know, this is what Area fifty one actually is. The Area fifty one is the place where the development the permanent intelligent industrial complex is permanently solidified, and this all starts with

the you two. Now, the CIA brings in Luckeed Martin and a little known but very powerful and influential defense contractor called E. G and G. Who I mean, they do a lot of stuff, but a defense contractor, Yeah, it's it's it's it's like it's the ultimate defense contractor name. And nobody knows who they are because they make like cameras and like film equipment and stuff. But like, you know, so these are the people who like made the cameras

that could take pictures of nucleus. Yeah, yeah, and you know and so and so, the the CIA brings them all to this like remote testing rage in Nevada to work in a secret project called Dragon Lady. Now in its early stages, Area fifty one is so secret that like even the Air Force doesn't know about it. And this like really pisss off the Air Force's senior senior generals, in particular a guy who was going to become very important to the story, Air Force General Curtis LeMay, who

like the man like that. I I don't say this very often about historical figures, but like if someone had assassinated General Curtis lomaid the world like we would like the amount safer that the world would have been described the architects of saturation bombing started in World War Two and continuing. Uh and from up to now we didn't stop.

And that is that is not the worst thing he's involved in, yeah, now, but in Lomay is extremely piste off that the CIA doesn't tell about this, and he's going to remember that that's gonna become important later in

this story. But eventually the CIA is forced to bring the Air Force into Area fifty one for a number of reasons, partially because they're flying airplanes, and partially because the YouTube is like kind of a piece of ship, you know, and part of it Okay, so they're learning how to fly planes really high for the first time, but you know the YouTube, if you fly it too slowly, it's stalls, which is like, okay, that's kind of a

normal airplane. The you the YouTube is amazing easing aircraft because it just is the most absurd pieces of aviation equipment ever designed, and like, watching those things take off and land is the most funny thing on that. It's wild like, and the other problem is like as a selling problem, but also has the problem if you fly it too fast, the wings will fall off, okay, which is so fragile the plane, Chris, It's so it's so massive and so fragile. The winds are so heavy and

so large. It's one of the most ridiculous pieces of equipment ever designed. It's it's it's incredible. So yeah, so that the CIA needs helped to get the stake working, and so the result is at Area fifty one at this point is is staffed by about it's one third CIA, one through an air Force and one they're locking Martin. What a what a combination? These are the god, can

you imagine that cafeteria, the conversations. It's wild too, because it's like because you have a bunch of just like spooks, right, You're a bunch of just and then there's just like a bunch of test pilots who are like just nuts and have been like a bunch of like like people who are like genuine war heroes who like fought in World War two but then went turned around and like it did horrible war crimes and like Koreas like Tom Cruise from Top Gun but with horrible PTSD and Michael

Douglas from falling down. He hasn't picked up a gun yet. We can we can, we can mention this now. So top the reason that top Gun exists is actually also area fifty one. Yeah, yeah, yeah, because at one point the US, like so the Israeli's managed to convince uh was te pilots to defect and then they gave the airplane to the US, and so the U s spent a bunch of time like flying this big twenty three

around and figuring out how it worked. And that's how they like trained, they basically trained other pilots because they suddenly do how the bigs worked, and that's that's the origin of the top Gun program. But then also hilariously that the Biggs got their revenge when when an Air Force general whose name is whose name is I am

not making this up. His name is General Bond and he were like, he's like, shows what you want is like I want to fly, I want to fly and make eighteen and they're like okay, but and then he just flew it into a mountain and died, which okay, well all right, yeah we have turned my opinion. Yeah he was inc which is like a really that is fast, difficult to control plane. That rules. That rules so hard. I see, I was you just completely changed my opinion of this man. Yeah, that is that is the that

is incredibly based. Unfortunately, there's a lot of other way more depressing plane crashes that happens here. And part of the reason it's bad is because so you know this, this whole thing is a black I have trouble imagine

being depressed about anyone they're dying. Oh, it's it's it's kind of so there there's a I don't really care as much about the people, but like so there's a bunch of like fourteen of the people who are flying you twos like die and they like they crashed into a mountain and one of the fresh and it's like me, but that sucks about it? Is it like like the U. S. Government lies to their families for like half a century

about how they died. It's like this sucks. But then it gets even worse because again, like this is you know this, this is the Black Project of like all black projects, and that means that they have a bunch of people from Operation paper Clip, because again, this is a facility run by the CIA in the nineteen fifties and so they let these literal not a bunch of literal Nazi Nazi doctors wrote in durance test on potential

YouTube pilots. Now, these doctors are Nazi concentration camp doctors who had performed to horrific human experiments on people in the camps. So naturally when they do endurance test, they torture people. So they would do things like they would force pilots to like hold their arms under ice water for like it's on me long times. They would draft the chairs just like randomly electrocute different parts of their body.

And it was like, yeah, it's it's a nightmare, Like it's yeah, you know, this is what happens when you give the Nazis free reign over completely secret testing facility where no one can even talk about what people to them. It's great, it's great, it's it's this is this is why you don't have black projects, because the Nazis wind up in charge of them and they torture people. Yeah. I think we're pretty we're pretty all on the same

page of not having really any projects. Now, the CIA has another problem, which is which is a much weirder and funnier problem, which that people keep seeing their spy planes. Yeah, and you know, so part of this is the original you twos were silver, which means that they reflected the sun and the flaming cross. Yeah, because the first two

now because they not that all Matt black. Ye's like a chromed a chrome doubt too, like yeah, and it's but you know, like this this, this is you know, this causes like a huge number of the UFO settings just people seeing this thing, and eventually they're like, we have to make this black because like having a spy plane that glows in the sun, yes, idea now and worse yet, so you know, you two can fly at like sixty feet, which is it's way outside the range

of anti aircraft guns. It is ridiculously how how high

that plane can go. But the c I A in their eternal hubrists assumes that it's also too high for the Soviet radar to work, and so what happens instead is that they fly a YouTube directly over the Kremlin to like take pictures of Racruse Trevis sleeping, and the Soviets just immediately see it and they get really piste off because again, like there's no precedent for flying a spy plane over a country you're not at war with, and they're like, what the funk, why are you flying plains?

The problem is that they can't actually like shoot them down because the plane is too high up, so there's something they can just see it. Yeah, yeah, And but but the US is like, okay, this is not provocative enough, right, like we've we've now flown we've now flown planes over the house of like a guy who can fire nuclear weapons. That's not enough. That's incredibly funny, it is very funny. But they're like the So Curtis LeMay, who's minds me of some things? Anyway, we don't need to talk time

actions in front of Russian embassies continues. So let me is this guy, this guy is a threat to all humanity, and he has his idea, say, okay, he wants to figure out how you want to figure out like how the the USRS radar system works. And so his plan is he's going to get the USSR to trigger the

radar system. And he's going to do this by flying a thousand B forty seven bombers over Alaska and fly them like right at Soviet air space and then turn around the moment before they get in, guys, come on, there's other ways to do trolling, Like you don't need to like, you don't need to risk the entire populations. Yeah, you get Garrison. See this is why you're not an

A level troll. Trolls know that if you're not risking the entire future of possibly all life in the known universe, then you're just you're not even there's other ways to make them for ends. Make make some friends and troll your friends. It's not that hard. Come on, guys, troll the world by by playing chicken with its continued ability to any life above the microbial level, like the thing it's incredile about. This was the only reason any of this works is that the Soviets, like and Soviets are

not good. But the Soviets aren't who the Americans say they are, like not like if if if, if the US had done this against the US, everyone on Earth would have gone like yeah in the end of it, and and may like you can say, like whom someone asked him about this afterwards and his and he says anti quote, with a little bit more luck, we could have started World War three. Oh man, this guy, this guy is a fucking like yeah, they are like that.

They are all just like like this this is so bad that like the c i A sends a panel of like advisers to the President telling him that, like, you can't do this again because the Soviets will think it's an actual attack. When NASA is calling you out, then yeah, I think it's time to it's time to wrap up shop. We're done. And the thing is like this is not the like the only just absolutely psychotic thing going on in this period, like a round are one.

So in seven, the US tests the first dirty bomb and they really don't know what this thing is gonna do. And it's like this is extremely danious or detonating a bomb a splice plutonium if youwhere, but just wait, uh lest you think that detonating a dirty bomb was not dangerous enough. In seven they dropped something called the hood bomb. And this bomb like the blast this okay, they drop this, brought this bomb in Nevada, right, the blast of this bomb blows out windows in l A. People people see

this is in Nevada. People see the explosion in Canada. Great. They see in Mexico, like you can see it from eight hundred miles out to see and The funniest part is that it temporarily renders are aft you one uninhabitable and they forgot to tell the people. And if you want to evacuate, that is incredible. Everybody cancer, actually incredibly Yeah, and then you know there are one people still want to work there and so they but this is like

before they have hashmat suits. So they said people in lab coats with like magnets to go collect radioactive bomb fragments so people can bring planes. Great, that's extremely fun, just killing all of their I have no yeah, I have no problems with this. Yeah, and this is fine, This is completely fine. We have had probably saved a lot of lives, honestly. Yeah. Well the problem the problem is though they they like Area fifty one was allowed

to resume and that like very nearly killed us. All. Yeah, it's been like the more people that die there, if you want to get cancer, that probably odds are that that contributes to it is it is it is slow death. I guess that's what everyone says about radiation poisoning. It

happens too slow. Ye yeah, now okay, so every fifty ones, you two's are like continuing to do flights and pissing off the Soviets, but unbeknown to the Americans, the Soviet anti air capacity was rapidly improving, and on Mayday nineteen sixty, the US pushes it too far and they send a pilot and Gary Powers to fly over the Soviet Union, and the Soviets just like shoot the shift out of him.

And this this is actually this really cute moment where like he crashes and he survived and he's found by some rant farmer, and the Soviet farmer just like it's like, oh hey cool, just like gives them a cigarette with Lucky of the Space Dog on it, and they have this very nice moment where they smoke a cigarette together and then Powers gets arrested by the Soviet government and

put on trawl for espionage. Now the interesting part about this is that so the US assumes that Powers is dead because when they designed the you Tube, the CIA was like, oh, yeah, if this they didn't tell the pilots, but they will die. Yeah yeah, It's like, but but you know, Powers lives through it, and so they they they the US is like claiming on Life television that Hours was like, oh, this wasn't a spy plane. He was collecting high altitude weather data for the National Advisory

Committee for Aeronautics. This lets Kristiev has like his finest hour here is like incredible theatrical moment. He gives this incredible speech that's like he's he's like he's like asking like comrades, like what what would happen if Soviet planes flew over Detroit and immediate war? And he goes on this thing about how he's accusing, like he's like, okay,

so who who said the spy plane? And he's like, well, it couldn't be the American people and must have been the American militarist running this biplane uh program without the knowledge of the commander in chief. And so the US like keeps denying it. And then Christiev a couple of days later gainst this another incredible line. I'm gonna quote from this speech because it rules comrades. He said, I

must let you win on a secret. When I made a report two days ago, I deliberately refrained from mentioning that we have the remains of the plane and we also have the pilot who was quite alive and kicking, and the US just like it gets owned because safe Yeah, I'm sure, I'm sure this day is I'm sure this date isn't thrilled. Oh yeah, it's it's like, it's an enormous embarrassment for this and this, this is this is

a couple of other great lines. So so Gary Powers gets tried for espionage, and there's there's this incredible line in this trial where Sergey Rodenko, who's this he's an Air Force general and he's also part of the trial, and he calls area fifty one quote a criminal conspiracy between quote a major American capitalist company, an espionage and

reconnaissance center, and the military of the US. And because this is this is literally what is um you know, but but this is where everything goes to ship because there was supposed to be a massive like U s USSR Pace summit to like look at the nuclearization uh huh yeah yeah, and so and and Christef is like, okay, Eisenhower, you you need to apologize for flying spy planes over

our country. And Eisenhower is like no, and this this, yeah, the conference is canceled and the world has plunged at the mortal peril that will only barely survive, but barely. I mean, we did it. It's fine. Oh yeah, we got extremely lucky. Um. Yeah, all of this basically causes cruise shift to like start a military build up in Cuba. And you know you can see where this is going. But but don't worry less less you think that Area fifty one is only indirectly responsible for this. They are

in fact directly responsible for the Cuban missile crisis. You know they they Air fifty one, does they did? They do a bunch of other stuff that like funk with the Cubans, like they have this thing with it. They send in pilots like right up the right up to to Cuban airspace and like have them basically trade missile locks with Soviet pilots so that they can test the

Soviets like electronic weapons capacity. And it's again once again, we only didn't die because the Soviets didn't shoot after the US did some like just absolutely we would have absolutely yeah if if if a MiG had buzzed like Washington d C. We would have ended all humanity. Yeah, now they fucking knew that. God. That has to be so frustrating. Yeah, Like not a lot of sympathy for the U s s R. In my book, with just

being like well this is unacceptable. But if we do literally just what they're doing to us, so I guess we have to be chill here. It's like, yeah, well, speaking of doing things, there's also there's also an incredible Bay of Pigs connection, which is that Richard Bassell, who's the guy who did Bay of Pigs, was the guy who read one. And one of the reasons why it fails is that. So remember when I talked about how the CIA piste off Curtis LeMay by not telling him

about ety one. So, uh, the May is supposed to send a bunch of B fifty two bombers to support the Bay of Pigs, and he doesn't do it. And this defense is that he fucked like his defense is that he sucked up the time zones, which like I've missed. Hey, we've all missed meetings because of that. I'm late all the time because the time zones. It's that that, you

know what, Curtis LeMay did nothing wrong. Yeah, it's amazing, and this this causes the cell, but yeah, it doesn't work because it's a cluster fuck and this you know this, this causes the cell to get kicked out of the security establishment. But it it doesn't stop the U S fucking with Cuba. We still haven't stopped fighting. Yeah, we're like never going to It's it's incredible. And and but because this is the time that came closest to killing us all, which is that well, Christ you know what

will also eventually kill us all products and services. Yeah that's not even a joke, that's just true. Yeah, all of these things that is being sold for fake money. So yep, by products. And this is when Garrison goes on a rant about Fiat currency. We're back and we're talking about the Honda Fiat, which is certainly a car. I lost all I lost I lost with all the Fia. Please everyone everyone sent me, send me what you can. I'll reinvest and give you back your money in a

few days. You're gonna buy one of those fucking one of those eight bit illustration and f T s that costs two million dollars, aren't you, Garrison? Oh you bet see, Robert, I heard, I heard now that they're making physical copy. This is a brand new phenomenon, making physical versions of an n f T so you can actually like have something. Yeah, it's basic. There is there's nothing else like this. It's like art, but you actually can have it. It's the

first time it's Robert. You guys, you can't. You can't tell the public how are how how how how how we funnel all of our money around for our black projects. You're not allowed to explain our money laundering schemes on air. You know. One one surprising thing about all of this, like Air one stuff is honestly the degree to which the government does not deflect off by using alien ship more often. If they were smart, they could just use alien ship more often to deflect any suspicion about what's

actually happening. So they I don't know, they go back and so so part of us going so they go back and forth on this, and part of what's going on is that the CIA, when when when people start first reporting UFOs like, they have to like concerns, one of which is that it's just going to cause panic in the US public and they don't want that they're doing this sort of like elite panic thing and they're

afraid they're on's going to go insane or whatever. But the second thing that they're worried about is that they're really concerned that the Soviet Union is going to block out the u s IS Early Warning System by sending a bunch of a QFO reports, which would be very funn Yeah, it would be very funny, but you know, but so so they their initial line on UFOs is

like they're they try. They spent a lot of time trying to get everyone to like not believe in them, because they're like, this is this is treading ast area and it's like damaging or early warning capacity because people keep reporting and also because people just keep seeing their biplanes and so they're just like, guys, there's no UFOs. Yeah, we'll we'll get to in a little bit of some more about that, because there's a lot of very weird stuff going on there. But first we have to almost

end the world. All right, Let's let's just do that at first. And then in six two, the CIA flies it flies a YouTube over over Cuba and they get a bunch of pictures of nuclear weapons and this this is basically the thing that starts to Cuban Missile crisis.

Although I also I also we need to talk about LeMay one more time, because before they get these pictures, LeMay is convinced there's there's no nukes there and LeMay wants to do a preective strike on Cuba to stop the Soviets and bring missiles in, which again literally would have killed us all. Yeah yeah, but but let's let's make us voted down. So the CIA, you know, sends the you tubes in and this this is the thing

that starts to the starts to Cuban missile crisis. And you have the Soviets and Americans like staring each other down at sea. And but again because these people are just like like because there are if you do want people to see how people are just nuts, they keep sending UFOs and if they keep sending you twos over Cuba and they they're sending you twos over Cuba, and and the Americans like lyne on the you Tuesday send ever is if they shoot down a YouTube, we're going

to invade. And so the Soviets actually do shoot shoot

down a YouTube. But for like the only time ever in history, uh, the US is like, wait, maybe we shouldn't end all like literally end all humanity, and like we we get this because this moment we're just like you know, you get to actually so you have all of the like just horrific leadership stuff that has got you here, But you get a moment where like the soul of humanity is tested in like a very small number of people, and it's like, if any one of

these people on either side flinches or like decides that they want to end all life on earth, everyone is going to die. And for one of like this is you know, this is like this is like one of the only times ever that it has actually mattered that we're not all just like terrible pieces of ship and we didn't do it, and we didn't end all humanity,

and eventually the whole the whole thing is wound down. Alternatively, the people in charge realized that if they were doing this, they could no longer do whatever fun stuff they didn't their spare time. And it's only for selfish reason. Oh yeah, I mean because yeah, the lead. Let me say, it's

like the leaders get no credit here at all. The people who do get credit are just like the random assholes on a ship who like got sent over to the other side of the world and had to just like sit there knowing that they could be destroyed in any moments and then didn't panic and like held and kept kept everyone on earth from dying by just not just like holding it together in a situation that would

have just like destroyed most people. So so good good on, good on like the cruise of the ships for not killing us all yeah, yeah, depending on how I feeled yea given day. Now, part part part of what's happening here is the EAT is getting shot down. It makes the area tapt to one. People go, we need to build a faster plane. Sure, and so there's their solution to this is the A twelve ox cart. And the oxcar is interesting because this is another thing that everyone

thinks is the UFO but actually isn't. And I mean there's a very famous UFO picture of like one of NASA's like X fifteen rocket jets, and in the very like in the very corner of this rocket picture of the rocket jet, there's there's an A twelve, And everyone is like, oh, this is UFO. Is the UFON is like, no, it's not. It's this. But you know, the CIA keeps doing these like halfast cover ups, but like like you can just see these out of passenger planes, Like if

you're in a plane, you just see it. It's like, oh, this thing looks like a Cigar's fleet past and they they do looking, they do look incredibly weird. Yeah, it just doesn't work. And eventually, in the mid sixties Walter Cronkite like goes on TV and tells the American like at the CIA have been doing a UFO cover up, which is true, but everyone assumes this is about aliens. But it's not about aliens. Nothing with aliens. It has everything to do with the fact that people keep seeing

this biplanes. And so the Air Force gets to put in charge of an investigation of UFOs. But the problem is that only a few top Air Force generals know about the A twelve. Yeah, they only a few people know what the existence of this aircraft. Yeah yeah, And so the low level investigators are like, oh, the Air Force is doing a uh cover up, which they are,

but they assume that it's about aliens. And so a bunch of these people like turned into aliens like UFO conspiracy theorists and yeah, because this is you know, and and we're getting to see this. The the US basically through it sort of like the secrecy run these programs. It just it keeps creating UFO conspiracies. And yeah, there there's some okay, there's some question as to how to

liberally they're doing this. Um So, the head of the National Investigation Committee on Aerial Phenomena, which is like the uf U s is UFO Study Group uh in NS nine is taken over by Joseph Brian the Third, who, Joseph Bran the third was the CIA's first chief of Political and Psychological Warfare. He seems like a solid dude to hang out with. Yeah, yeah, so I have no

idea what that means, No one does, you know. And there's there's some reports that there have been a couple of like books and documentaries and a lot and in the last like ten years that have repared that. Yes, but it basically reported that that people in the CIA deliberately fed like fake UFO information to people to cause people to like go even deeper into their conspiracy, which is absolutely believe. Yeah, I would I will say this, Okay, so like this is the kind of thing the CIA

would do. But the people who are giving the evidence are sketchy, and I mean, of course, yeah, like that that is yeah, that is kind of how that mean. They probably feed it to a lot of people and the people who talk about it, well, I mean so that the people are testifying a better the people who

allegedly did it, Yeah, which is interesting. But but the thing that, well, the probably is weird about those people also just sort of they're like, oh, I spread this conspiracy, but it like they kind they also want to get into the UFO scene. And so yeah, the question it's it's weird and it is a lot of weird conflicting interests going on. And this is this is one of the problems with the CIA, which is that like, okay, so there's there's there's a couple of there's like some

important things you need to understand about the CIA. They're bad. You don't need conspiracy theories for that. They're they're bad. They do a lot of bad things. Um, the CIA having done something is not in and of itself proof that they did another thing. So for example, like you can say that you like, you know, you say something like the CIA is a moon base, right, and someone asked you for evidence that you can go, oh, well, they did Operation paper Clip and they're involved in development

of rocket technology. But just because the CIA did Operation paper Clip and had rockets does not mean they have a moon base, right, Like this is this is this is something this something happens all the time when people talk about the CIA, its falling into yeah, yeah, you cannot. You cannot use something that the CIA has done as direct evidence they did something else unless there's a direct tie between, unless unless you have evidence that the other

thing happened. There's other who suck. Yeah yeah, and if everything is, they're not omnipotence. And then this is what the example I always bring up because it's really funny. So the CIA just completely missed two two different Indian nuclear weapons tests, like across two decades. Like not only did they not realize that that they were testing me happening soon, Like they didn't even know that India was

doing tests at all. And then they Yeah, so these news would go off and they would learn that the India was doing tests when Indiana govern renounced on TV. So like they're they're not actually omnipotent. I think, I think,

what is this interesting? People? I'm not sure if you're in I'm not sure if you bring this up shortly, but like this sort of thing is definitely is still happening in terms of like like air force pilots seeing weird stuff in this guy and then going to talk about it be like you know, it's just like this is some other aircraft. Usually it's usually usually we're able

to actually like prove what these things are. Um, but like you know, military or every people see stuff, they talk talk about the news, and the time it was always weird. It's always when like some other like like civil arrest is happening, when like we get some weird pieces of race and about UFOs, like oh really, what

a coincidence? And it's it's it's an interesting thing to be though, because like there's this kind of like weird interplace because like a lot of like like like senators and presidents like actually believe that there's UFOs and and this is like I means the weird thing, but like the different do you mean like UFOs are doing like aliens well, like like aliens like this like that there are there are a lot of people in the government who do believe in aliens and and and it's it's

this weird tension because and a lot of like everything is like like I don't know, like Harry Reid, for example, was a big alien dude, right, but Harry read like I mean, I know he's very powerful in Nevadas, like maybe he knew, but like Harry Reid is not someone who knows what's happening in these black projects because they

don't tell. They don't tell Congress, right, he he might know because of how powerfully is, but like again, it's up in the even even the people who are supposed to be in charge, I don't know what's actually happening. And that means they fall for conspiracy theories, because yeah, they fought for conspiracy theories. And at this point, it's more of a it's more of a fandom than anything else. It's really easy to get stuck to to offend them. Like,

so I can't. I mean, I don't trust any congressman on any level specifically around this issue, because this is solely a fandom issue. It's like it's like it's like taking their opinion on like religion. It's like I care zero amount because it's only a fandom that But I think I think that the thing that is very dangerous about this s though, is that again Area fifty one is like the existence of Area fifty one is like an atrocity to anyone who thinks you live in a democracy.

They have almost killed us, like multiple, multiple times and everyone is like, oh, it's the Aliens. Was like, nope, they they literally almost ended life on Earth like four times. And and yeah, you know what, we're gonna get into they they you know, we'll get into the other horrible stuff they do in a second. But I do want to talk about the one cool thing they did, because okay,

they did one thing that was incredibly awesome. That was the greatest thing the American Empire has ever produced, which is they made the SR seventy one. The SR seventy one is fucking sick. This is this is the coolest airplane. And one is like, just like, do google a picture of it. It looks so cool. It could hit it could hit Mock three point four. Like, it's just fast. It's faster than bullets. Uh, it is. It doesn't have any weapons on it, and it it's it's defense strategy

is to outrun the missile. Yeah, what's the X Man. It does look just like the X Wing And it does look just like the X Men's Yeah, well yeah, it's specifically there modified Yeah, yeah, it's it's it's shiitest thing ever. And it's like from that was like that was the pinnacle of the American Empires when they made this, this one just absolutely incredible machine, and then they used to do war crimes in Vietnam and then they were like, oh,

it's too expensive. Dick Cheney, who is a demon in human form who will one day returned to the hell that spawned him and spend the rest of his day's being torn apart by Satan, has the program killed because he wants to make B two bombers, and he's like, oh, we've got to be able to drop nukes from weird triangle planes. We can't run the coolest plane of all time ever anymore. So he kills it, and it's depressing and it's it's everything is bad now, and he will

rotten hell eternally for of his many crimes. Killing the SR seventy one the only good thing the Americans ever did. He should have This is the only thing we should have ever spent money on us A kind Yeah, but if look if the roads just a network of SR seventy it was, that was almost three million dollars in today's money for one Yeah. Sure, but like just like just like a trillion dollar. Look at how much worse

that plane looks than the SR sevent one. Like if I success flying around in FT, they're so wet, they're so bad because Professor Xavier has has fucking style. Unfortunately, So there's the other things they're building there are horrifying. Um. One of the most important ones that I think people have sort of like forgotten the real impact of is is that the F one sevent Nighthawk and so so Eric fifty one is basically where American steuth technology is developed,

which really does on the conspiracy. But like, no, this is actually like yeah, this, this is this is what they're doing. They're doing, Yeah, they're doing stealth technology and the Nighthawk. The night Hawk is really bad. And the night Hawk is really bad because it fundamentally changes the

balance of power between anti O weapons and bombers. And this means that the US can just, like I don't know, for example, just obliterate an army of fleeing Iraqi conscripts without having to like worry about someone shooting down their planes. To be fair, I do think I do think the Nighthawk looks way better than the previous plane we mentioned. That's for any one now has not a bad looking plane, but the night beautiful plane. It's a it is a

horrible killing machine. It's all's designed for. And it looks like it it looks like death. Like the plane looks like It's true, it doesn't look like well that's why I likely there's only one or seventy one just looks like it looks like it looks like sex death, yeah, whereas where this one looks like it's like, this looks like like like like like yeah, like a government put into a plane that is death, that is and that

is what it looks like. And so yeah, this is this is this is part of a transition the night Hawks actually is there's an interesting transition that's happening here, which is that so the Nighthawks, Uh, the night Hawk is tested at at airy fifty one, but this is the first plane that like can actually drop bombs that air fifty one ever made because up until up until this point they've been doing mconnaissance aircraft that be doing the YouTube that seventy one A twelve, which is like

they're just capable of accidentally ending the world, whereas these deliberately ending it by dropping bombs. Yeah. And and this this, this is when the CIA gives control of A fifty one to the air Force one. Yeah, and this is all. This is also where airy fifty two comes in because fifty two, which it's it's it's literally just a facility

next one. And so they Air fifty one is like sorry, Air fifty two is is built up basically to like house the night Hawks now it is it is interesting that like the older night Hawks look a lot more like UFOs than the newer night Hawks, Like the newer night Hawks look more like the stupid like tumbler batmobile but in a plane, the older night Hawks look a lot more sci fi um And it is interesting working the difference to be like, if I saw the older

night Hawk could be like, oh that's the UFO. If I saw the newer night Hawk, I'm like, oh that is like a military plane. Yeah, well and I was. I will say this. So they start doing a lot of things to like reduce a number of UFO sightings they produce. So, like they said, they start flaying, they start flying at night because it was actually really hard

to see a black airplane at night. Which yeah, but but you know, the the other thing that they're doing in Air fifty one, and they've been doing this really since the sixties is air fifty one is where the US basically develops its drones. Yeah, and that is that that is the modern thing that pilots talk about on CBS or whatever, and and you know, and it's it's so so. I I mean I've been sort of aware

of this, I didn't fully understand it. The US like had drones in the sixties, which just for a yeah, yeah, like they like one of the things they do with the A twelve is they put like they had this like Ramjet drone on top of it, just like pretty like a Ramjet joone is sick. Like that's like that's just like a cool thing. Yeah, if it wasn't used for killing people, then all these things they're designed to people. Well, yeah,

but I talt about the ram jet things. They had to stop using it because it kept it kept just like like cutting the airplane that kept cutting the A twelve and a half. Okay, well to the ram Jet drone. But yeah, And I think that the last thing we should talk about is that, Yeah, so area fifty ones. The latest thing that we know that they did that is horrifying and awful is so up up until nine eleven, there had been a line in the U s military and that line was you do not put weapons on

unarmed drones. Huh. After after oh what a time? Yeah, and everyone eleven uh, the air force in the CIA basically get together and they're trying to draw up a plan to kill Ben Lawden. And so their their plan to do this is to put health fire missiles on

a drone. And this is this is this is the origin of what a horrible series of events, like the few decisions that have impacted the course of humanity for the next century that are being responsible for so many and this thing, you you can you can see where this is going in the initial thing because so when when when when they're testing the missiles on this right in Air fifty one, they set up like a mock version of like Ben Lawden's house, and they're setting it

up so that they can figure out how many children they are going to kill when they blow this thing up. Yea, And yeah, that's that's that's that's that's been, that's been a fifty ones. Modern know, the worst the worst thing to come from places like this is putting guns on robots and drones. This is like the worst thing almost am almost almost ending the world with nuclear weapons, and then now drones deciding to put deciding to put bombs and weapons on little tiny things that fly and little

and little robots that crawl around. This is the worst thing imaginable that we could have We could have just not done, but we're like, nope, let's do it. And because the thing thing has occurd about it, even even though like seventies c i A was like, this is a bad idea. I know, it's one of one of the first laws of like one of the first laws of first leave of robotics, the first law of robotics. Yeah, but we stopped talking about that years ago, and now

we have those. Now we have those fucking robot dogs with have fucking like five five six rifles six even worse, even worse. Yeah, and that's the episode. And yeare more rifle a little go right through a robot. Yeah, I'm really excited for the robot war is and then you'll be it's gonna suck so bad. We're already in the robot wars. Yeah, I know. Yeah, it's well, it's happened well, but you know what will never happen. It would have been so much it would have been so much better

if it was just Aliens. God, what, No, it's not. Yeah, you know, I would have though if we ever do Stomry one, we should just destroy it like that. That's just that place. That place should be raised to the ground and like left as a monument to the people that killed, because that should be most of the states. Yes, yes, specifically, we fill every inch of it with concrete and we top it with a statue of Fox Molder. You know. You know what we do is we do the thing

like for the theoretical, the theoretical nuclear waste disposal site. Yeah, that is what we do. It is also still sort of a radiant and also it is still so radiant. So yeah, nothing nothing, nothing, nothing of value is kept here. Turn turn a way. Yea. Yeah, Well I wish it was Aliens. We all wish it was. All right, Well, that's the episode. You can follow our cia exploits that that happened here upon on Twitter and Instagram. God, I hate social media. All right, that's the episode. It could

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