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Hey, this is me in the future. This is recorded in the now halcyon days of January twenty twenty five. Lots of things have changed. Basically everything everywhere has gotten worse. This is the story about the oppression of Trends people in the United Kingdom that is very bleak. In many ways, United Kingdom has gotten worse since then. The UK Supreme Court has ruled that the definition of sex and the Equality Act of twenty ten is quote binary and is
decided by quote biological sex. So whatever the sex that some fucking doctor assigns you at birth is your sex specifically under the Equalities Act. A bunch of people in the UK have decided that this means that the courts have ruled that like sex in general means quote unquote biological sex. That's actually not what they ruled, but they're
doing anyways. So there's been a whole bunch of things where, for example, the Labor Party has started purging Trends women from any like one of their bodies that's supposed to be a woman's body. So through the oppression of trans people continues to escalate. Yeah, our only path out is
just open and active resistance. Against them in a more positive notes, Mira, our guest for this episode, has since since this episode, has struck out on her own and is now the mind and genius behind the outlet Free Radical. She will link to here and you should go support her work because it's great. Now to our episode, it's it could happen here a podcast that is.
Largely about the US.
That might that might exaggerate the ex sat to which is about the US, but it is. Most episodes are about the US, but sometimes it's about other places. And one of the frequent places that it's about is the United Kingdom, And specifically we're gonna talk about the United Kingdom because the UK is both an image of the present and the future of the oppression of trans people.
And there have been in a bunch of just absolutely horrible things happening there that have gotten very little press attention. And one of the one of those things is what appears to be a like I guess I would call it like a two stage cover up of a bunch of suicides of trans kids on waiting list for healthcare. And with me to talk about this fucking terrible shit is Mira Lasine, who's a freelance trans journalist Miro. Welcome to the show.
Great to be here, Thank you for having me.
Yeah. So, I mean, God, this is one of those I always am excited to talk to people, but I swear to God, like one of the every four times this happens, it's like a I have to pull it, do you? I want to say, I'm excited to talk to you about this because, like Jesus christis is the most depressing shit I've seen in ages.
Yeah, it's not a fun story. It's an important one, probably one of the most important I've ever borded on, but not remotely fun.
Yeah.
So let's go back to the how I'll see in days of mid twenty twenty four. I don't know, thanks for she really bad then too, but they're worse now, but they were.
Also bad then.
Yeah. So can you talk a bit about how this story started and about what was going on with the National Health Service, the NHS, which is the British basically the British healthcare system is run out of National Health Service. Can you talk about the whistleblowers there and what was going on with them?
So, yeah, I first became aware of whats going on independently, I was working with Alejandra Carabio, the clinical instructor of cyber Law Clanic at Harvard. She's a friend of mine and we worked together on subjects. She and Ira and almost some other people were talking about the horrific wait lists going on with the NHS. It's terrible there, I mean not even just for trance stuff, throwing millions of reports of people having to wait months to get essential healthcare.
Some people have died just from like their conditions being on the wait list. We had both stumbled upon some old news reports from like years prior about trans kids who had unfortunately committed suicide as a result of not getting the essential health plague they need on the waitlist. These stories are not talked about their media at all. They got like one art mentioned ning what happened to them, and then that was it. So we started to investigate it.
She was compiling a spreadsheet of everything she could find, every news report of kids who experienced this. I was pitching help and contribute to that spreadsheets. And then right around the same time, the director then of the Good Law Project, a civil rights organization that does a lot of the stuff in the United Kingdom his name is Jolyn Mongham apologized if I mispronounced that. He came out with a Twitter thread revealing and this was very suddenly.
He hadn't contacted anyone about this. He just kind of posted it right when he got enough of a story and everything. He revealed that he was talking to a couple of whistleblowers within the NHS about what was going down. And not only did he talk to some whistleblowers, but he also gained some independent evidence from himself his own investigation, from meeting minutes from officials in the NHS, and so what he found kind of began with the first whistle blower.
This one was someone who did not reveal much about who they were publicly and presumably to protect your job. But Logan said that with his whistleblowers, he independently confirmed that they did worked for the NHS. He saw their ideas Mohm's up typic guy to lie. He's a trusted figure in the UK political scene. First one said that there was only one reported suicide prior to twenty twenty. Significance of twenty twenty in relation to Shrethelthcare at Nited
Kingdom was that the infamous case Bell versus Tatistock. I'm not going to go into detail of this case because it convoluted messy and hellish, but the gist of it is that it led to tightened restrictions on gender perman careacter miners, particularly in the new realm of puberty blockers. This ruling ended up kind of restricting how might act ass puberty walkers. Some it was a leader overturned, but it already led to lasting damage. Even after it was overturned.
A lot of doctors for hensigent to even prescribed purbity blockers because they were worried about political consequences. So a lot of miners weren't getting the care they need.
Yeah, and we should also mention here too, because I think this has been lost in a lot of the reporting on this because like I mean, I guess this is the story where a lot of the reporting was done by trans people just because like nobody gives a shit.
But like, the thing about puberty blockers is that puberty blockers with the healthcare of trans youth were always a sort of compromise measure that was, you know, sort of put in place as a compromise of like instead of letting kids actually transition and like, you know, go on hormones, which is, you know, the thing that kids like need, right if your goal is to like improve the health outcomes of trans kids, like the thing you actually want for them, like maximally is for them to have the
ability to get gender affirming hormones. But you know, the sort of the sort of compromised thing that was happenings like, well, you could have puberty blockers, but you know, you can start horp buns later, and that is not a good compromise to begin with, but losing it is even worse because the alternative to that is, like you are now spending even more time with a bunch of fucking hormones in your system that you don't want, more of, more of the hormones that you fucking want, and you know
you're getting you're being forced to go through puberty, which fucking sucks. Shit if you're going through I don't know, I don't know if the wrong puberty is like the correct language or whatever, but like it fucking sucks. It's awful. And but now you know, and this is just something
that's happening in the US too. It's also happening in the UK is that the compromised solutions are being knocked out and we're seeing the sort of knock on effects of these kids losing even the sort of compromise stuff they're supposed to be getting.
Yeah, and they used deep bogus justifications for this, or like we don't see any benefits of puberty blockers, and it's like, the point is not that they are benefiting these kids directly. No kid is like, oh boy, I get to be five years behind on puberty from my peers, I get to look like a ten year old while all my peers have full on beam everything. Oh boy.
Like no, but the point is that these kids are being deprived of the care they absolutely need to stay it live, and it's being targeted just for the sole purpose of getting cheap politicals from what are the hells in office? Yeah, but more back to the whistleblowers. So prior to twenty twenty, when the Belvy Tavistock ruling came into effect, only one transmitter died from suicide. I don't quite remember how I framed the used estimated, but it
was broader than the one they used after. I believe it was like seven years I think, and the years after which was measured up to like the very beginning of twenty twenty four, like Chaneu were twenty twenty four, so not even four years, more like three years and twne months. They recorded sixteen debts. Yeah, sixteen transgender minors committed to suicide, and they were all able to be linked to restrictions on computy quarters and NHS wave lists.
This whistle blower says this data came directly from a doctor who analyzes just stuck professionally, is like part of his job in the NHS. The doctor also wanted to be anonymous, understandably, he named himself the quote named doctor for Safeguarding should. He tried to warn people in the NHS about this. He was like, hey, there's something wrong. This isn't right. We are fucking up. And he talked to so many different people, including doctor Hillary Cass, who will talk a bit about later.
This is a literary device called foreshadowy, ETCETERA giant clip flashing big here, giant ominous music surrounding her name does He just warned of.
People basically, and they all ignored him. They all just according to him. And this is all I have to say. You know, this has not been verified in the court of law or anything. This is according to the whistleblowers in Mongham, but we have no reason to believe they lied or fabricated this information about this was not even revealed publicly. There's no public outcry. There was no action
taken by the NHS or any of the clinics. So that is the first whistle blower and the whistleblower's connection to that doctor. The second one basically can and gave independent verification of this. They were like, yeah, I've seen the data for myself too, I can confirm this is legitimate. Now it wasn't just these three staff members who were trying to raise a larm bells. According to the second whistle blower, staff and the NHS were like, hey, well
this is not cool. We need to do something, and so they got an open letter, sent it to their higher ups and reportedly the director of the Tavistock Clinic, which was at the time the only gender affirming care clinics for minors in the entire United Kingdom. Since that is more opened up, but it's a really complicated thing. That's a headache to deal with. But head honchos at Papa Stock completely retapliated. They threatened them a discipline interaction,
they suppressed maturial. They're basically were like, you go public about this, if you continue talking about this, you're gonna face consequences.
The thing, the thing I instantly came to mind here, and I think it's just specifically because of number sixteen, but like the first time I read this, the first thing that came to my mind was there, you know, there's the sort of famous Chicago story of the police killing of the Clint McDonald where the slogan afterwards was sixteen shots and a cover up. And this is fucking
sixteen deaded to cover up. And the about a fucking rage that I have for all for this, all of this fucking shit, that these people covered this up, that they knew this was happening, and we're just like and not only knew this was happening and not only didn't do anything about it, but like actively he contributed to fucking making it worse by threatening anyone to try to talk about it. Is just so unbelievably disgusting. Yeah, I
was the first one who broke the story. I basically reported on it, like almost immediately after Malgam went public about this, because I knew not many people were going to report on this right away and it was going to kind of be a headache.
I didn't know how you would, but I was the first one to report on it. I did it for jeuerlest Aaron read subsect Ara in the morning back in June of last year, and I had to stop writing it multiple times, like I spent the entire day thing on it, because it was stomach wrenching reading some of these stories and doing everything. The only reason I even got through it was because I dissociated the entire time and just kind of compartmentalized the anger of bunch Beta.
It's like Jesus Christ, this is horrifying. But Margin was not talking out of his ass with this too. He brought receipts right in the initial thread, showed leaked to meeting minutes, and like you can see water marks from the NHS on these meeting minutes. Like it is unless someone wants to suggest that he did a giant conspiracy and fabricated a bunch of very accurate meeting minutes that
reflect publicly available meeting minutes elsewhere, it's pretty reputable. Yeah, these minutes show that any test officials were aware of every single one of these debts, every single one of them. People were in these meetings calling for an independent investigation into each of these debts, into gender affirming care pro miners, into restrictions. They wanted to investigate everything and had detailed data.
They had information on the type of care they received, which was basically negligence, and instead of reporting on this publicly, instead of doing an investigation, they covered this up. They didn't do anything, and they just pretended like everything was fine, like there was no debts as a result of this. They were acting nothing wrong was going on. And these meeting minutes are still public too. Magan is not believe in.
It's still on his Twitter account. Good Law Project is not fully any more of the kind of dissolving their stuff right now, but Magan is still keeping all information up. It's all detailed, it's publicly there. People can see for themselves these minutes, and it's horrifying seeing the physical proof. It's yeah, it's horrifying.
Yeah, And we need to go to ads and when we come back, we'll get to the second fucking cover up, because there was a second one. Did it again? This time with the British Broadcasting What the fuck does the C stand for corporation? That one British broadcast in corporation leading the charge and we are back. So let's talk about the fucking second cover up because normally, normally you only get one cover up when your fucking health care policies kill a bunch of people, but no, two, they
got multiple cover ups. Before we get to the second cover up, we need to talk about what the CAST Report is, because that's also part of this that we kind of bounced around a little bit but then didn't. Yeah.
Well, yeah, so the CAST Report is probably one of the worst things to come out at the anti trans crowd in the past decade. Yeah. The gist of it is it's essentially a supplusively independent report commissioned by the Knighting government to investigate the efficacy of hubery blockers and gender heerman character minors, authored by doctor Hillard Cass, who they claim is an expert in this subject. I'll get
to that in the second. Yeah, the gist of what it was claiming is that nope, puberty blockers do anything. They actually hurt the kids, they don't improve mental health, they don't protect anything. Suicides stay the same, it's all bad. Get rid of them and actually restrict gender referman care too, and also maybe we should detransition these kids too. It's a very long document. It's actually a set of documents, but the primary one isn't incredibly long. I remember when
it first it came out last year. It's been in the works for the better part of the last decade, most of the twenty ten's it's been in the works. I don't remember the exact year that it was initially commissioned, but it's been something the United Kingdom government has been waiting on for a while to take action for gender reforming care. Now, to understand the Cast report, you gotta understand a little bit about Hillary Casts. Hillary cass is
not an expert in gender firming care form. She has never treated a transgender patient in her professional practice whatsoever.
Would thank god, because holy shit, Oh she is such a transphob Oh my god. Yes, but yeah, also utterly unqualified.
Completely unqualified while she was writing it instead of talk with single trans person as like part of the consulting, because she didn't do it by herself. It's wait too long for anyone to do buyers, but by themselves. She got a bunch of unknown advisers to help her with this, one of which is a Finnish psychiatrist who has been campaign against transgender rights for the past twenty years. Yep, but she did not have any trans people on the consulting board, not a single one.
Well, of course, why would you talk to a transperson about trans health care? Like, that's why would you. Trans people don't know anything. They need to be regulated and told exactly what's best for them by people who have never even talked to them before. She actually, while she was writing it, she talked to Florida healthcare officials during the Ron DeSantis instration for information on what to do.
Like and these officials, by the way, they weren't just like leftovers from the prior governor. They were appointed by Ron de Santis and have literally been Jews bidding and restricting healthcare.
Yeah, appointed by the guy who in the last campaign cycle had to fucking add with a son and rat in it. So like, you know the level of Nazi we're dealing with here, huh.
And not only did she worked with them, but there's even more. She worked with numerous people who were tied to anti translate groups, most notable of which is the quote Society for Evidence Based Gender Medicine GOD. They are probably one of the leading anti trans groups right now. They are a Southern poverty law centered, desic hate group. They're not very fun people. They all have a financial
interest in opposing transgender rights. Many of the people with them have been quite paid to oppose transjunder rights in courts. There's a whole rabbit hole to get into there. The point being she's worked with hate groups, she's worked with the Santa's appointees, she talked to no trans people, and
she of lied a lot. When the cast brew first came out, I was one of the people who was working around the clock to try to be like, hey, let's not just assume that this is immediately accurate, because we should wait for independent scholars to evaluate this. There's a lot of shady stuff going on here, and why didn't you know it? A lot of things were wrong for starters. Ass misrepresented a lot of what she did
for the review. It was supposed to be a systematic review into all the literature and PUBI blockers is she left out a bunch of studies, especially more recent ones with that are elogies. She and her method degrade them. Basically changed it up last minute and didn't seek your review for it from her institutions review the board, which she didn't speak any ethical verification on anything.
Yeah, which which is which is amazing. It's like, do you know how fucked your report has to be and like your anti transferport has to be and not be able to survive a British peer.
Review board, like Jesus Christ. It's like yeah, like it's it gets even worse because as time went on, a lot of journalists myself included, found a bunch of little pact rolling out seats there. She was misrepresenting this study. She was misterpreenting that study. Lots of little information. It was she at one point fighted a YouTube channel that is dedicated to opposing trans rate than be the YouTube
channel in her fucking seconds. It was a tangential citation, but the point being the fact that she even discovered that shows her allegiances. She was in the cast review. She was trying to cast doubt on the leading medical association for trans people, the war Professional Association for Transgender Health. She was like, oh no, they're actually not good. They're politically biased. I'm not though, don't worreayes. Don't investigate me.
Yeah.
And in the time since, there's been a shitt ton of medical experts coming forward opposing the CAST Review, being like, no, the methodology is garbage. Not just journalists saying it. There have quite littlely been hundreds of metabirds who have come forward to publicly oppose the CAST Review. These are people across a variety of fields, psychiatrists, pediatrician, chronologists, basically everyone you could imagine who would be relevant to the study
of transcendor health and minors. They have come forward against it, including most of the leading researchers in the field, including people who have actually imporked with trans people in a professional capacity.
Yeah.
Wow, and this review. It's the reason the United Kingdom went on last year to ban puberty blockers in all four countries within it. They started in England, then they spread it out to Scotland, Wales with their beauty blocker ban, and was recently right before New Year's they banned it in Northern Ireland. And because of this, so many clinics are now just not treating trans people, including transgender adults.
They're ing out transgender adults not getting the care they need because of something to even discuss trans adults in a meaningful capacity.
Yeah, And that's part of the thing with the Cash Review, right, is that, like you know, it literally like it could have just been like seven hundred pages of fuck you over and over again and it would have had the same effects, because the point of the Cast Review wasn't actually to like establish anything medically. It was to just have a document that you could point at and then
justify any policy whatsoever. Like it's it's kind of like it's kind of like the way the Gambits and the Bell Curve works were, like none of the actual policy recommendations follow from any of the arguments that they're making, but it exists so that you can make those policy arguments and then point to like, oh, it's because of IQ and this is this is the same like bullshit IQ, like fake IQ science, right, Like there's.
Literally IQ science used to justify the puberty blocker band.
Of course there is.
They are claiming that puberty blockers reduce IQ using a study from like two thousand and one on one of the and a separate study on shown my God, I set the study on fucking sheep. How are you measuring the IQ of sheep? Like what?
Yeah, okay, yeah, we wheeled in the sheep to do the fucking Army Standard amplitude test.
Like, ah, it's scored real bad.
Give it puberty blockers and it scored even worse.
It gets garbage science.
Yeah, but one of the important things like inclusions here is that, like so one of the one of the sort of things that's happening now is that fucking feral attack dog. I don't know, you fucking assuming you motherfucker. We won the revolution each shit west Streeting who's now running British Healthcare, issued a fucking thing to ban puberty blockers for trans youth, you know, and he cites the Cash Report. Do you know what's not in the Cash Report?
A recommendation to ban puberty blockers? Do you know these fucking doing me anyways? Because that's the actual sort of purpose of the report is to serve as sort of like just a kind of like talasman you can hold up and say, ha, see this is justified. Yeah, and can you can you talk about the whistleblowers and the Cash Report too, because this is the thing I has seen very very little coverage. That is extremely important.
Yeah, so the whistle blowers, they literally reached out to the Cast while she was bringing their she had to be like, hey, restricting puberty blockers isn't good. And like you said, Tass did not recommend to ban puberty blockers. She called for more research into it and like some restrictions, but not an outgrade band that was not anywhere within it. Even with her extremism, she's like, maybe we shouldn't restrict everything completely, you know, maybe we should just transition some
of the kids. But she did not advocate for a full on ban, and she has even gone public into the media to clarify that she has does not believe in a full on ban. And yet she ignored the whistleblowers. She ignored them when they came to her, being like, hey, there's evidence that restricting pubery blockers is causing these depths to wreck and she didn't do anything. We don't know
the specifics of that conversation. That's not public information. But we read the cast review here not coming away with it thinking, oh boy, she's really concerned about his towards killing themselves. Yeah, you're coming away with it thinking she doesn't believe as shit and she has her own agenda.
Yeah, and so okay, we're gonna take another ad break and then we're going to get to the promise second cover up, and we're back for cover up number two. So okay, we have now introduced briefly the fucking spawn of Satan himself, West Reading. Can you talk a little bit more about him and the cover up that he commissioned of this.
So yeah, when I broke this story, it was getting no coverage. No other news outlet wanted to touch it. There were actually some journalists I talked to I'm not going to name any names, but journalists I talk to you who are trying to get their editors to publish a story on these claims, and they were like, m I don't think so, I think we're going to do that, speculated and things like that, which people were actively shutting
it down, especially in the British media. Yeah, and for about a month, the nhster was Nortonis and not getting public comment, entered west streeting. You said, he is the head of British healthcare officially, he is like fucking the head of the Secretary of State for Help and Social Care. Some shit like that. But he's a sellout. He's a labor guy, you know, the party that's supposed to be at least kind of left wing in some and he threw trans people under the bus the first chance he got.
Right after Turf started pressing him for it. Wes Streeting, in all his awful, awful glory, looked at Mugan's thread and thought, what if I denied this? So he commissioned Professor Lewis Albi for Appleby. He is a leading suicide researcher he at the University of Manchester. Except even though he's been in the field of suicide research for decades, in the past year or so he's been cozying up
to a lot of antutrians people. Yeah, there's best shipped ton of tweets of him basically talking to turfs repeating the oh you can't have men and women's sports nonsense, you can What does him going down the pipeline?
Yeah, he's just he's a turf. Yeah, like that's the.
Yeah, he's not the turf. He's a turf. Who I do? It's not professionally really work with Transius commits suicide. He does not discuss LGBTQ issues in his research as his primary focus. He does it for the general population. Yeah, I haven't reared every single study of his, so it's probably as like one or two that talk about HBQ suicide rates. But by no means is he like the guy you go to to learn about why suicide attempts and suicide rates are a thing in the LGBTQ population.
West Reading was like, hey, was do you want to write a quote unquote debunking of Margam's dread? So enter, I have it up right now. They quote review of suicide from Gender dysphoriat the Tavistock and Portman NHS Foundation Trust Independent report. This guy, you basically claim that, Nope, there's no data for this. Actually, Mogham's wrong, That data pans it out. The data doesn't lie.
It's also funny because this argument is that trans people were already killing themselves. Yeah, it was just like on them, which is really fucking plaque when you think about it.
But uh, now there's cripes a million breaks people can have with this. For start, the data set is obviously too small to analyze fucking statistically, makes no sense to try to do a fucking indathatistical analysis on what maug was cleaning with sixteen kids. That's not but you're not going to get shit out of that. It's not really a big issue with it. The big issue that Malgum himself actually pointed out in the same day that this came out, Logan pointed out that this analysis was just
long from the start for starters. This guy analyzed quote current and former patients of under Identity Service. Malcolm's claims weren't about that. Waldom's claims were about those who are on the waiting list, which.
Is which which is just nuts. Like I s up here for a second.
It's like the difference between again on the waiting list and have finished care Like what, yeah, what are we doing here?
Like oh god, how did this get past any media outlet?
I mean tree'sphobia but like really yeah, now there's other problems with it, but what it's kind of suspicious.
So apple Bye, Applebee however he pronounced his last name.
He's going to call him Applebee's because fuck him Applebee's.
Fuck it. He used data directly provided by NHS Inngland. Now, student viewers will notice something Magham never claimed to access data directly given to them from NHS Inngland. He was given data from whistleblowers. Logham actually in this direct because he wrote a whole debunking this debunking, and Margan was like, he revealed that he actually a month before this was published, he reached out to NHS angling to be like, hey,
can I have your data on this subject. I've gotten a lot of information I want to try to corroborate it. They denied him the data. They just denied him it.
Yeah, I remember incorrectly. Part of it was they claimed the data didn't exist.
Yeah, yeah, they claimed it didn't exist, that they just didn't have it at all, and something they pulled that up in air for little Applebee's. Well, there's some other intrare inconsistencies. As we know, Logham had receipts he provided information on minutes directly from NHS meetings discussing these suicides. That the minutes don't match up to the data Applebee's, as Applebee's is under estimating every then. And yeah, very recently this has not gotten any media coverage at all.
Those who have been following UK politics for a while, especially trans politics, remember the unfortunate case of Alice Lynn. She was a young traentleman who committed suicide as of NHS wait lists years ago. Her mother, er Littmann, has been a staunch ally trans people since she's been one of the fuses people in the UK to be like, hey, no, I'm I'm putting my all behind trans people. She's wonderful.
She came out publicly for v Link that Alice Litman was not included in Applebe's data set even though she should have been. She was within yeah, the years. So what this says is that Applebee's had bad data that didn't include every kid.
Yeah. Well, here's the thing we don't know about that, right. It's it's possible he had bad data. It's possible he's also just been falsifying his data because like again, he won't show it to us. So we have no fucking idea what like was what he was actually provided with and what he was like, you know, or what things he did to the data sets that he was given beforehand to produce what he's analyzing in his report.
True, and there was of course a bunch of smaller issues you could point out with Applebee's review, but the crux of it it's bogus data is a matchup. As you said, he could be falsifying it. He could have just been given bad data. We don't know. He's not sharing anything. The NHS is sharing anything. Yeah, but all we know is that there's some major inconsistencies and they
they're not doing shit with it. And this is where we enter everyone's favorite mainstream media, the lovely British media specifically outlooks like the BBC right literally within the first twenty four hours of this review coming out, they reported on it. At this point, my coverage has been there for a month. It Logam's claims have been out there
for a month. They weren't touched them. And yet the moment someone came out with the nagest trying to be like, actually it's false, they were rushing to report on it something they claimed was not newsworthy previously. Yeah, and mind you, Logan's rebuttal to this review was posted publicly at this time, at the time that this media coverage was going up. At the BBC article breaking the story up, the only
discussion they give to basically any issues with this. It's just a couple of brief sentences talking about Mogam's issues with it. At the beginning, they just claimed that Morgan had profound difficulties. And at the very end of the article, buried at the bottom, they gave Mogham like three sentences, and they left out a lot of information, like the minutes Mogham showed that he got from whistleblowers, the exact claims he got from whistle blowers. They just didn't report
on it. They they gave such intense coverage to Applebee's Applebee's claims in the review, and then they just flat out ignored everything Mogham was saying, everything everyone else was doing. Now again I add, sure, we don't know for sure whether who's telling the trubery, but the NHS has an incentive to lie here Mogham doesn't. Mogham is getting his career torch basically because they're going forward about all this.
And you can tell which side the BBC is on. You know, they give the game away at the end where they give the last word of this article to Ken Barker, who is the chief executive the LGB Alliance, which is an anti transait group, and you know, and they give her the last sentence saying that trans people are spreading misinformation to serve a dangerous and homophobic ideology.
And I like quite specifically, like Kate Barker, if you ever fucking listen to this, fuck you eat shit like this is direct evidence that of the BBC's fucking political line here, because again they're they're they're giving the closing statement to a group that is literally just an anti transa group because the BBC is the institutional is institutional fucking media arm of the British government, and the British government is institutionally transphobic.
Yeah, and I'm not going to say that what the information right now, we have a definitives that's not the problem. The problem is this of Ben being investigated. Any non biased fucking NHS, any non biased British Yeah, would look at Moggan's claims and think, oh wow, we should look into this. We should independently verify. Yeah, we should try to career operate everything saying or at least see if he's accurate.
Which which again and I want to put this out this is the job of a journalist. The job of a journalist is not to fucking literally reprint a press report from fucking like commissioned by the fucking government. Your job is to go find the fucking whistleblowers and talk to people. Did the British Did the fucking BBC do this? No, of course they didn't, because they're fucking pr hacks. Yep,
they're pr hacks for a transgendocide. And like quite frankly, and I will say this on the fucking record, because I'm not a journalist, fuck these people, like this is this is This is what the BBC wants, like like fucking dead trans kids and a cover up is what they institutionally what this fucking organization wants because they fucking hate trans people and they are completely okay with all of this shit happening as long as long as they fucking get to do another story about how fucking JK
Rowling is a brave truth teller or whatever like this, this is what these people want.
I agree, and I also agree with your statement. Uh, the British media cannot call fuck themselves and I hope they rob them. Hell yeah, I don't know how you can as a journalist, someone trained to prioritize the truth and nothing but the truth, look at all this and think this is suspicious going on there there's nothing that Lawrence further investigation, even if Malcolm's claims are false, right, even if everything Malcolm says he made it up. He's
an influential guy. He has been covered by the media for his lawsuits with the Good Law Project countless time before. He's made national headlines there. And they don't investigate this at all, Like, yeah, they're rushing to report on everything. Fucking JK. Rowling says everything some random fucking turf is saying, May Angelou, whoever turf you want to run?
Oh yeah, I'm realizing there are people listening to this. I don't know, maybe you'reself listening to the episode. You don't know about the JK rolling turf stuff, but like to get an understanding of like how vehement of like an anti trans hate figure she is, Like anti trans groups literally wear her face as a mask. Like I'm not joking. She she she fucking retweeted them an anti trans group literally wearing like printed out copies of her
face as a mask. Like that is that? That is the status that she has in in in the anti trans world, right, Like and then the BBC fucking loves her so Africa she does, and she's not even an expert in anything.
She's a fucking author of children's books.
Like yeah, you know, it's like, well, we'll we'll talk to the authors of Sheldon's books when we talk to trans people, know, And I mean that's the ever thing about this is like the BBC never talked to a transperson. They did talk to an anti transcit group though, so you know you you you know, you know what fucking side of this is is considered valid by the British
political and media establishment. Oh and also at the bottom and like, I know that they're doing this because this is just like standard policy for like if you're doing a thing story about suicide, but the very if the article is a is a link to a bunch of suicide and crisis hotlines. So uh, one last fuck you to every trans person reading this. Yeah, the one two punch of we quoted an anti trans hate figure, here's a suicide hotline is like real.
Who, yeah, it's it's a it's a fucking insult.
It Yeah.
It just gets me how they didn't report on these claims at all when they were initially made, Like it didn't even have to be a big story like most fucking outlets I've written for would have just reported as like, oh this, this guy said this, were waiting more information, okay whatever. It wouldn't be a good reporting, but it'd be the bare minimum. They didn't even do that. They
rushed to just to repeat whatever the fuck. A commission review from the government said that's more reputable, I guess than you know, leading advocates who actually cited their sources instead of just throwing shit at the wall.
Yep, and I think that's that. That's as good of a place as endy to stop. Less you have anything else you want to make sure people know about about this. Yeah, thank you so much for coming on the show. And where can people find you in your work? Yeah, thank you for having me.
I can primarily be found on blue Sky. That is the main place I post now. Yeah, I'm at me real Gene, bluesky dot social. Beyond that, you'll probably see one of my articles published around because I am constantly working my ass off.
Yeah, so this is but it could happen here. Yeah, I don't know. I mean, there's still time for this not to happen here. So yeah, go go go organize and go make West streeting and the BBC have a bad day.
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