Imagine being accused of something truly terrible. Imagine if for 20 years rumors had swirled around that you had something to do with the young woman's disappearance. What would you do? This is the story of two men. One, eager to clear his name. Another who has chosen to stay silent. Two very different responses from two very different guys. Christopher William Adair William Curry So far in this series, I've explored allegations that one or both of these men may be connected
with Lisa Marie Young's disappearance. I've laid out what exactly is known about Christopher Adair's interactions with Lisa the night she vanished and what I've been able to learn about his past criminal behavior. Chris has never agreed to an interview with me. He has never spoken publicly about that night. William Curry, on the other hand, is seemingly anxious to clear his name. So much so that he drives across the island to meet with me in person.
I'm Laura Palmer and this is where is Lisa, Island Crime season one. Episode 14 Speak Up or Shut Up In past episodes, you've heard Christopher Adair's former friends, colleagues and from two police officers about their experiences with him. I've spoken at length with some of Chris's family members. But this is the first time I've been able to publish one of those conversations. There's a lot of, I guess, bad history on that side of the family, which is kind of why I wanted to speak to you.
In the summer of 2022, I received an email through the Island Crime website. It begins. I just happened upon your podcast, more specifically, the one about Lisa. I was shocked to hear the name Chris Adair. Chris is my relative. We exchange emails back and forth for some time. They want to talk to me, but they're conflicted, wary of causing trouble for other family members. The relation you're about to hear from has asked I keep their identity
confidential and that their voice be altered. We will simply call them Pat. I don't have any relationship with Chris now at this point in my life or much to do with that son of the family, just because of history and the kind of people that they are. I know they're a very like close knit group. Pat here is speaking about Chris's sisters and mom. The only one I've like had any major interaction with was Chris. Chris was the only one that ever actually reached out to me or talked to me.
Yeah, I went Facebook first kind of was a thing. I got a friend request from him and I remember somehow I was talking to my mom about it. This is kind of when I first found out about all this stuff that Chris was involved in and my mom basically told me, don't interact with him. Nothing good comes from being involved with Chris and obviously I'm a teenager, right? So I'm like, well, I don't, you know, do I necessarily want to listen to my parents?
Like let me make my own decision. And so that's kind of when I started talking to him. Yeah, we just kind of talked about our family. Like we're just getting to know each other basically. Like where are we on the like, where how do our family and trees line up? My dad had told me some stories about him as a kid growing up and I kind of laughed about that kind of stuff. I know my dad always said he was like a really quiet kid and that
he was always a little strange. There was a story where my dad started laughing about it, but I guess there was at somebody's house. I don't know who's there was like a basically broken down car and Chris was like playing around it. And I guess eventually either got like some matches or a lighter and drop them into the gas tank. And it basically like blew up and caught his face on fire. Yeah, I was talking to, talking to Chris about it and
he was like, oh yeah, I remember that. And I was like, that's really weird. Like glad you're okay. Probably a good life lesson learned there. I know he was an Alberta. We talked about that and talked about like meaning up when I came out there and then I know he moved and ended up going to Japan. I'm not sure if he went somewhere else in Asia, either before then or after then. I remember seeing like updates from him about going to Turkey.
I believe he got married. The sisters anyways all went over there when he got married. I don't know if he's still married. These two aren't close, but they form a bit of a bond. And so when Chris suggests getting on board one of his multi level marketing schemes, Pat agrees to do so. He got me involved in a few of his MLMs. So that was nice. Yeah,
just like a waste of money on my part, I guess. He's a good salesman, right? Like he can definitely, oh yeah, you're going to make some money, you know, going to university and stuff, like getting me involved in that and was like, yeah, it'll help you pay for it. Never did. We kind of lost touch at that point. In adulthood, Pat observes a continued closeness between Chris and his siblings. I get the
feeling that it's very clicky. I know that they've had a lot of trauma. I would say growing up and with family history, they just keep close to one another to kind of try to protect each other. And I definitely feel like, I don't know, kind of you, you know that you can trust each other and that they'll always have your back kind of thing. I have tried to get close and never been able to and always just kind of felt like I was treated like an
outsider. So I think that that in my opinion, that they're just like, yeah, we, we have all gone through so much in our lives, like their mother and obviously this situation probably plays into effect. I'm sure they know something and just don't want to say anything. I believe that everyone is kind of an agreeance that yes, he could have done it and that Jerry could have definitely helped him get away with it. That's kind of my conclusion. Pat here is expressing
an opinion based on their observations over time of this part of their family. We talk for a while about childhood memories they have of Chris's grandmother, Jerry adair. Jerry is now deceased. Jerry helped raise Chris. He was driving her car the night Lisa vanished. She threatened to sue Lisa's parents for what she viewed as harassment in the aftermath of Lisa's disappearance. So understanding Jerry could be important in putting together this puzzle. Pat recalls Jerry as
a woman determined to get her way. They use the word mean describing Jerry as the kind of person who will hold a grudge forever. They tell me the consensus in their family is that if anyone was capable of helping to cover up a crime, it would be Jerry. Jerry had lots of money and resources and they believe it was Jerry who was responsible for getting Chris off the island and telling him never to come back. I only know of one instance where he went back to the island and that was
for Jerry's funeral. And I know during the funeral actually one of my cousins vehicles got stolen and they eventually ended up finding it but I just remember thinking with all of this stuff that's going on, obviously it's just weird that the one time Chris is back for a family thing, somebody's vehicle gets stolen. You know what I mean? It just seems weird. And not that I'm saying it was his fault but it's just like the coincidence of it is like things seem to seem to constantly
be following this guy. Bad things seem to happen when he comes around. And today Pat is uncomfortable with what she views as Chris's furtive behavior. Like what's all the while the secrecy while the running away and hiding, you know? I ask why they've decided to speak to me now. What they hope could come of their participation in this podcast. It turns out Pat is actually more concerned now about Lisa's family than their own. I can't even imagine what they're going through and
that's got to be hard. I have a small child and I can't even imagine what I would do or go through something like that happen to my daughter. And that's kind of why I went on to reach out because I just feel like if you truly had nothing to do with it then while the hiding, while the disappearing, why go through all that, I understand that it would probably be tiring to, you know,
kind of the light is on you as the last person who's seen her. But if it was me and I knew that I had nothing to do with it, I would be doing everything in my power to make sure that everyone knew that and felt that and knew that I was being genuine as much as I could, you know? So it just seems weird to me and yeah, I think there are family members who know more than maybe they want to let on. I just hope for the best in putting that positive energy out into the universe, I guess,
that hopefully something does happen. Chris, what happened after you took Lisa to subway that night? Where did you go? When did you last see her alive? These are questions I'd like to ask Chris a dare. So Chris, if you're listening, I'd still very much like to speak with you. I'm reachable at Laura at Laura Palmer dot C.A. When I began work on Lisa Marie Young's story back in 2019, I had a goal of separating fact from fiction. Lisa vanished from the NIMO on the Canada Day weekend
in 2002. In the more than 20 years since her disappearance, a powerful story has taken hold in the community she called home. There are various versions of the rumor, but at its core, the story goes something like this. Lisa is taken to a house party where she is drugged, assaulted, and killed. Some versions include the dark detail that there is a snuff film made that night. A film that many believe still exists. The story also goes that Lisa's remains are buried and
then subsequently moved. Now that's the rumor. As far as the known facts of the case, this is what I can confirm happened. Lisa leaves behind a group of friends at a gathering in the early hours of June 30th. She is in the company of Christopher William a dare, a young man driving his grandmother's red jag. She calls her friend Dallas Hully, saying that she's in the jag
in a driveway on Bowen Road. And they won't let her leave. Now there are names consistently raised, those who are allegedly there that night who hold some responsibility for what happened to Lisa. The name Willie Curry is one of them. In my years investigating this story, I've had dozens of people tell me they believe William Curry is in some way involved. They know someone who knows someone who told them a story. Or they tell me they know William Curry. They allege he has hurt them
or someone they know. They believe his rumored involvement in Lisa's disappearance. But to date, no one has ever told me they witnessed William Curry with Lisa. Not the night she disappeared, not ever. And so Willie Curry has been trying to put an end to this rumor for two decades. The day I'm meeting Willie Curry face to face for the first time is cold. It's the first day I've seen snow on the mountains. It's an exceptionally beautiful day in the alberny valley. The leaves
are turning colors and falling steadily from the trees like rain. We are meeting at the river Ben Cafe. It's a little roadside stop near where the Somaz River meets the alberny inlet. It's been there since 1936 and has recently been renovated with some really nice vintage touches. It's one of my favorite spots for coffee. I arrive early. I order a drink and grab a table in the corner overlooking the parking lot. It's one of those old chrome and Formica kitchen
tables. We had one in our house when I grew up. It's 10 after the morning rush and the place is quiet. I've only seen one picture of William Curry before and I'm not sure when that photo was taken. So I don't really know what he looks like. A middle-aged guy with a ball cap and plaid jacket enters, orders a coffee and stands waiting by the front. I try to catch his eye. Eventually I walk over and ask him if his name is Willie. It's not. A few minutes after that,
a balding, portly gentleman with glasses and a black turtle neck enters. Once again, I stroll to the counter and inquire if he might be William. He's not. I suspect it's beginning to look like I'm on a blind date. I settle back at the table checking my recorder, reviewing the list of questions I want to go over with Willie Curry. We've only spoken once before. I remember being surprised at his willingness to speak with me. When I made the call that day, I'd expected him to hang
up. Afterwards, the RCMP asked if I would hand over the raw tape from that conversation. Now, I didn't do that. It's my position that if I want sources to talk to me, they need to know they can trust me. To know that I don't work for the police. That I'm not beholden to anyone. Except the victim. In this case, 21-year-old Lisa Marie Young. I came away from that brief phone call with William Curry, feeling like he and I weren't done talking. And so here I sit, waiting for William
Curry. A man whose alias was once killer Curry. He arrives on time in a white pickup truck. He's accompanied by his girlfriend, a woman with lengthy blonde hair, wearing a stylish long coat. She gets out of the vehicle to walk a brindled colored dog that looks like a boxer. Willie enters the cafe, catches my eye and heads towards me. He's in his mid-50s with short,
dark hair. He has a roundish face and he's wearing glasses. He's dressed in a long-sleeved light blue shirt, one of those high-tech, active wear type shirts with a fabric that wicks moisture away. Willie used to be a boxer and he still cuts an imposing form. But he's got a slight limp and he's carrying a little extra weight. He reaches out to shake my hand and we begin to talk. So I make sure I've got gloves. Good. Testing, one, two, three. Can you tell me which you had for breakfast?
A cup of coffee. Coffee? Yeah. And how was the drive? The drive was great. Were you coming over the hum? Yep. You moved over the hum. Snow? Just a little bit and there's some police officers at the top of the hill pulling over big trucks. Yeah. Okay, well I think we're good to go before we started reporting. You introduced yourself. Yeah. Can you do that again? My name is William Curry. And do you want to just tell me a little bit about yourself? Um, well I'm 55 years old. I have
seven children all together. Four of them, my help raised with my ex-wife. Three of them had been raised by the other mother's parents. Let's see here recently my father became ill. So I took him in and he lives with me now. So I'm looking after him and I'm a hard worker. Yeah. I don't know what else really to say. That's right. Okay. I know this is going back 20 odd days now. So, but as much as you can, as much detail as you can recall, I can ask you to
try and remember. Okay. How do you first learn that your name is being tossed around in connection with this case? Um, I can't really recall that. Oh, I know if I start hearing these uh, this rumors that I had something to do with it and I'm not quite sure what the rumors were. But after a while, I started understanding and one of them was something about that. Um, I was, we were selling some kind of mud, some cream, some mud that you put on for facial stuff.
And some women started going on about how that, well, I don't even like to speak like this, but how, um, these bodies at the bottom of this mud pile that we got and that's where we're getting this clay from and stuff like that to, you know, and it's like, what? Um, I think I first heard of it with on the internet. I guess, um, somebody said that she was last seen or something at my house or something like that,
though I'm totally wiggly where I live with my family. Right? So, I think that was the first time I've heard, I heard something about it. Yeah. When you're hearing those kind of rumors about a point, what, what is the, just the allegation of your involvement? What it was, it was, um, uh, I knew that the, the police put out a search for her and then canceled it, right? And I was like, well, why would they do that? I wasn't quite sure. Okay. So I thought, well,
I'm going to help. I'm going to put some poachers on my van. So I put some poachers on my van. And, um, after a little time went by and I didn't think that was enough. So, uh, Bob, who also part of this, whatever she said, part of it, whatever else, he said that he knew, um, at least his father. So I said, well, could you put me in contact with him? Because I want to let him know that if the police are in help with him, that I would do there to help him. So I phoned
him up and I said, hi, my name's William Curry. And, um, I'll, like, do all for myself to you. If you need anything, if you need a door kicked down or whatever else, I'll help you out. I'll, I'll be there. And, um, a week went by and I thought, I was going over to the mainland. I thought, well, I'm going to want to hang up some poachers. So I thought, well, I'm not going to phone up the police task permission. So I phoned up Don and I asked him to meet me at Tim Horton's.
And if I'm asked for permission to hang some poachers, what was that? So I didn't realize that it was Bob that first put you in touch with him. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Just a note here, Willie is referring to Bob Gallagher, a friend of Lisa's father, Don Young. I introduced you to Bob in episode nine. Bob hadn't mentioned to me that it was him who put Willie in touch with Don Young. So I follow up with him to clarify this point and he writes me back
immediately. Most definitely not, he writes. I was not even aware that he had met with him until after it had happened. Don and I both worked at Perlator at that time and I didn't find out about Curry's alleged involvement until sometime after she disappeared. Now this may or may not be significant, but it appears Willie and Bob remember this point differently. How soon after Lisa's disappearance is that? I believe it. I think about it. I think maybe eight months. Okay. So
sometime has gone by. Yeah. In the immediate. Yeah. Maybe six months or so. Maybe six months. Yeah. Okay. And so are the police talking to you at that point? No. No. They came, I think the first time they brought it up, I was working on a roof and they came by and got me off the roof and I had a chat with them in the back of the car and then they took me down to the C station, I believe. I think if I recall partly and they questioned me there and then they came to me and said, well,
you want to do a polygraph? I said, why didn't you see that two years ago? To me. So when they first come and talk to you, what are they telling you about why you're on the radar at all? A 100% sure why. Yeah. I can't recall. So they're asking you just like, what do you know about this? Or just? Yeah. Yeah. Basically. And where I was at night and stuff. And I recollect that I was at home with my wife and I believe they questioned her and she said
the same thing. So the night that at least went missing. So yeah. And at that point had they already heard this rumor about Lisa being taken to your home? Or they asked me to do it? I don't know. I don't know. I think you told me the last time you talked right around that time. You're also you're running it after hours club? Yeah, I was running it after hours club. Yeah. Yeah. So right down town, where Wong's story used to be right on a kind of a triangle kind of a building
in the basement I had one. Yeah. Right. Yeah. And but you never ran across Lisa. Never. No. No. Because she's kind of at that time my understanding. She's working a little bit in clubs and she's certainly going out a lot. Right. Right. She may have been there but I never met her. I've written it. Right. Yeah. And so working as a group for you got the after hours club going and you've got your married and do you have kids at that time? Yeah. Yeah. I got yeah. I had
four children at that time. And so where are you living in that? I was living on Twigley Whiggly to to six years of Twigley Whiggly Road. And is that a house that you owned? Yeah. We owned it. Yeah. Me and my wife owned it. Yeah. I think you know when the kind of rumors start going around your place of being taken to a home that you're at. It's a home on
Bowen Road. On Bowen Road. Yeah. I don't know anything about that but what I did hear through friends of my wife and they went to school together and they've worked together as registered nurses who own a place on Kennedy Street. Yeah. Was that Lisa stopped by there. Yeah. She was she was at the house. She's seen the roommate went upstairs and seen the roommate before she left. And that's how I know that. But so is it your understanding it was Lisa or Chris
that went to see the roommate? I don't know. I'm pretty sure it was Lisa. I'm pretty sure. Yeah. Yeah. And do you know why? No idea why. I have spoken with one of the owners of this Kennedy Street property. And I've confirmed that what Whilly is saying is true. This is kind of a big deal. Up until now, this detail, this location of a place Lisa is seen that night has never been
public knowledge. I'm still hoping to have a longer conversation with the owner. But for now, at least I can confirm this detail concerning another location Lisa was at the night she vanished. I want to go back to the point where police asked you to take a call. Yes. Can you really you told me this a little in a short conversation on the phone but can you just walk me through that because I've never met anybody who's taken one before. What goes on? Well, what it was I got,
I don't know how they brought it up to me. But when they did, I remember being released saying, why don't you do this a year or two years ago? That's perfect. That's good. And I didn't know that they don't release information. I didn't know that. Right? I thought they could clear my name and like in the paper or whatever else. Right? So I was scheduled to take the polygraph on,
I believe on a Monday or Tuesday. And I got to all of a sudden they pulled me over whatever along and then I went somewhere and riffs me for a breach of my conditions about not seeing my kids. And I think what it was I've seen one of my kids at the swimming pool. I was taking another little kid swimming with me and I left. I said, hey, how you doing? Look at your dad looking good. And the kid waved at me whatever else when I left and they breached me on that and they arrested me.
So when they arrested me, I said, well, do guys, I'm supposed to be at the office on Monday or Tuesday to do this polygraph. How is that going to get done? Well, we'll get it arranged. We'll get them to come up there and say, I don't know. I'm not going to arrest me and tell me you know that it can happen. So what I think it was, I think the police arrested me for they had me to do the polygraph. I did the polygraph with my lawyer saying, do not do the polygraph. Do not do it.
And because I wanted to say, like I wanted, I said to him, I said, well, are they 100% and he said, yeah, they are. So I said, well, why wouldn't I do it? Like, why wouldn't I do a polygraph? So so when you say, are they 100%? The polygraph. Oh, I see. Gotcha. Yeah, yeah. And well, he said, the 97% or something like that, I'm not quite sure. And that was a lawyer from Victoria, Brad Hickford, right? And he's a pretty good lawyer up there and stuff like this. And most people would
take his advice. But the fact was that I wanted to get it cleared up because I went to the family. I offered myself and now all of this stuff's getting said. Yeah. And I'm feeling inside this horrible. So I think, well, this is a way to get my get it cleared up. Right? So when I, they called me up to records while I was in jail, I called them up to records. And I agreed to do it, right? They put the polygraphs, all the little stickers on and stuff. And I was nervous since I was
like, what if they're trying to frame you? I mean, I took the things off a couple of different times, right? And they call me down about me to relax. And they asked me the questions and they asked if I had anything to do at least some murder. And I said, no, when stuff, and then I said, well, after we're done, I said, well, what's the result? Because you're telling one truth, 100%. I went, yeah, and I hugged Ian, the officer that was sitting up the polygraph. I hugged him.
I said, get on that phone and phone, phone Mr. Young, let him know right now. Let him know, right? They said, they were going to do that. And I was like, I was happy. I'm not happy. William Curry's former lawyer has not returned my calls. The RCMP will not comment on the outcome of the polygraph. And it's important to note that lie detector tests are not admissible in Canadian criminal courts. They're not viewed as reliable enough to decide someone's guilt or their innocence.
I don't think I can adequately describe just how strange this whole scene is. Here I am sitting in my favorite coffee spot surrounded by their lovely vintage posters and pot music from the 1960s playing quietly while they serve up fancy coffees. All the while, Willie Curry sits across from me, doing his level best to explain how it came to be that he has long been rumored to have been involved in Lisa Marie Young's disappearance. I stop from time to time to check my notes and ask him
to clarify aspects of his story. I know you are going out and helping with the search. That's before the polygraph or any of that. Yes. Right? Okay. And so because you, I think the last time I talked to you, you said not only are you searching, you also learn about Chris. Yes. Yeah. That was from an old timer. I think he might have passed on by now. My name is Ken Switzer. He told me about this Chris guy that used to go to the bell more over. There's dancers
were there and stuff. And then how when he showed up there, there's a doorway between the hall and where I guess the wing where they stay, the dancers and the hallway, anytime he was there, that the door was shut and locked. Yeah. And so who's Ken Switzer? Ken Switzer, just an old time prospector guy. So you're doing searches and you're looking for Lisa and then you hear through this guy that he knows Chris. Chris, yeah. Right. Yeah. And so how is it then?
Because I think you mentioned you end up going to Qualcomm. Yes, I did. Yeah. So tell me about that. Well, let's see here. I found out that Chris had his grandmother, Jerry O'Dare. And I know she's was good in the community. I know she was good for the community and stuff. And so I just wanted to see what kind of vibes I would get off of her when I went up there. And I took a young lady by the name of Tanya with me up there. And for she could stand beside me and she'd act like my daughter.
And I'm looking to buy a house for us. Right. And we ended up sitting down with her and what I was talking with Jerry O'Dare. So I know I knew there was something bothering, like something was wrong. Right. Yeah. And that's as far as I went with that. I didn't go any further with that. Yeah. So but your goal in going there was what? Well, was to get closer to Jerry O'Dare, to get closer and can't remember why we didn't go look at a place. Yeah. But it was
to get close to her to see if I could get closer to this Chris fella. Did she shed any light at all on? No, I didn't bring that bring it up. No, I didn't talk about it enough. I just played the role. Like I was a guy buying a house or stuff like that. Yeah. But I didn't go any further with that. I don't not quite sure why I didn't go any further with that. Yeah. Because I'm pretty sure I got it or show me a house and actually what I was going to truly try to do with her was role-mancer.
Oh, okay. Right. Yeah. I grew up answering buyers and flowers and stuff and bring her bottle of wine stuff. That's what I was thinking of doing. Yeah. Right. Yeah. And can you tell me because it sounds like you're quite invested at that point in trying to learn what you can. Yeah. What other steps are you taking or were you talking about? Well, one of them was at the beginning, right? I had my daughter, one of my daughters, I went to NDSS and I got her to introduce me to the principal there.
And I went to the principal and I say would it be possible that we could use your grounds and do a search thing and have the base at the school and he said no, I don't think that would work. There's programs for that and the piece are looking after that and I sort of that shut down. Right. And my idea was was to get a bunch of people together and get them to just clear their mind and wherever people's mind would take them, I could say what do you call that place?
See, Piper's lagoon or something like that. See if you know 50 people thought of Piper's lagoon, well let's start, let's look there and stuff. That's what my goal was to do something like that. Right. Yeah. And you, I think the last time we talked you said you were also going out in your vehicle and doing searches. Yeah. I've only did that maybe three times, maybe four times. And I had one, I settled with me all the time, his name was Jimmy Vu and we've just go for
drives and we find clothes. There were only a couple of times I dropped stuff off at the police station. Like it wasn't like 10 times or nothing like that. Do you remember where specifically you're going? Just down dirt roads and stuff. Yeah, I can't really think of where we went. Up by an animal late, up behind in tap by Cassidy, maybe. Yeah. Up by Cassidy. Yeah. Yeah. That's what I can think of right now. And is there anything in particular that's
directing those searches? Has anyone you've talked to said you go here? No, no, no, no. No, okay. Just just a thought of okay, well where do we go? Okay, well let's try going down this road and whatever else and we just drive. Right. Yeah. Now I don't know Jimmy Vu. Yeah. He was a Vietnamese guy in town and he was a drug dealer in town. Right. Yeah. Yeah. But he was a good guy. He was a good man. Right. And when he seen that I would have had
posters on my van and stuff like that, he wanted to help. Right. So I didn't turn him down. Like I said, sure. You want to come for a drive with me? Well, yeah. He goes up for that way. There's a witness there too, right? But you know, they could say, oh, who found his clothes here, whatever else. Yeah. And had you ever hop until this time? I ever got involved in anything like this in terms of like helping? Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I always, um, were this reputation by it came from
leaving rough tough guys. I don't really believe in seas, right? And when my neighbors would get their house broken into, they would get all their stuff back out, get all their stuff back. You see, yeah. Okay. And you can call that vigilante or whatever you like, but I just always saw it was the right thing to do. You know, yeah. Right. Yeah. So yeah, I've always kind of put my time in.
Like even tid nowadays, like there was a thing that had set up in the NIMA where they had the tent set up and all the drug addicts were going there and using their drugs in some place. Well, I thought of G in my spare time. I'll go there once a week and cook them a meal. So I'll go there once a week and cook them a meal and stuff like this. And people on the street, like, even nowadays, like when it's cold out in the gut, like nowhere to go, they come not going
on my door. Not on my upstairs or rather, but the downstairs door. And they're usually always somewhere for them to crash out on the floor and get up and leave in the morning. I want to go back to that rumor. And I do want to ask you more about your kind of work, sort of investigating and searching after that. That rumor, it's weird because it's always this same kind of core rumor and virgins with a number of different people's names attached to me.
Okay. Including a woman named. Yeah. Now, do you know her? Yes, I know. I know we're better today than I did back then. Like I knew her through her son. Is she living at the NIMA Lakes Road Place or no? When? No? No, sorry. Back. Oh, I have no idea. Yeah. Yeah, I have no idea. Right. Because that's the other. There's a couple of locations that are always talked about in this rumor. Right. Lisa. And we know that Lisa does call from an address on Bowen Road.
But we don't or I don't know what that location is. Oh, oh, yeah, kid. The rumor is always that it's party at your place. But so you don't have a place on it. I don't, I don't, I have, I had kids in my, my, my ex-wife was a registered nurse and there was never no parties at my house ever. Right. And you're and you're not living on Bowen Road at that time. No, I live on Twiggly Wiggly Road. Right. And I guess the kind of connection after that to the next property is allegedly this
NIMA Lakes Road property. Yeah, I don't know which exact property you're talking about. But I heard that Ray Fusell's place got searched or something like that. Yeah. But that's all I know of. So who's that? Ray and Brian Fusell, their father left them this chunk of land along the NIMA Lakes Road. Yeah, that's all I know. I don't, Ray fixes bikes and Brian's like a mechanic kind of guy and does a bunch of engineer work and stuff I got. Yeah.
Which is just it's out of the question. Yeah. No, they wouldn't have nothing to do with anything like that. I asked the RCMP whether they can confirm that this property was the focus of a police search for Lisa. They tell me they can't confirm any locations they have or haven't searched in order to protect the integrity of the investigation. This location was recently the focus of a Hazard is property assessment after multiple fires broke out in the structures vehicles and debris
in the area. As for Willie Curry's assertion that the brothers would have nothing to do with Lisa's disappearance, it's worth noting perhaps that both the brothers do have assault charges on their publicly available criminal records. And in 2004, Brian pled guilty to the shooting death of a local man. Neither of them have been charged with any crime related to Lisa's disappearance. No one has. I'm conscious that this level of detail could be tedious for casual true crime podcast listeners.
But I'm also aware that even a small piece of information could push the investigation forward. So please bear with me. You had a reputation at that point. That's being kind of a tough guy. I remember. And see, for me to drive around with posters on my van was different. It was different. Right? But it was a lack of the police, like the information that I'm counseling, the assertions that got me, well wait a minute, I like to eye care. And if these families doesn't
know that people that they don't care, then they're like, where's humanity going? I was thinking of myself. And I know the police had the reasons for whatever they did, whatever else. I don't know. Right? But at that time, I didn't think that. I thought they don't give a shit. That's what I thought. So I put the posters on my thing. That was different. So like I say, one of my friends, and what are you doing, everyone without a, well, they're going to blame, they're going to pin
it at you. I say, what the, what are you talking about? And at that time, I was training to fight, or a little bit after that, I was training to fight on the 4th of March and March 6. And I guess some of them could have got a little bit jealous or whatever else. And yeah, that's what I'm assuming. You know, I don't really know. When they go around and search for Lisa and stuff, like, you know, it makes me feel that I can't be there. Like, I can't be there. And I want to be there. Like,
there's another search for her. It's you can let me know. I'll go there. Yeah, I want to go there. And I want to say, I want to face the people. Like, I'm okay with that. Yeah. 100%. You, you never, or do you ever end up talking to him? No, ever. So he never calls when he knows that you're being connected with any of this. No, no. And did you ever, at any point in all of this, meet up with him? Does he ever know? No, I don't. We couldn't even tell you what he looked.
I have no idea what he looks like. In October 2023, OneDrie's Generation Y podcast devoted an episode to Lisa Marie Young's disappearance. They spoke with the hosts of True North True Crime. And they discussed the rumor of the snuff film tape. Here's how Willie Curry reacted to that news. Like, people are talking about where's the tape? There's a snuff movie, where's the tape? Like, come on. Like, I just have to stand straight and face whatever comes my way on this.
Right? And look somebody eye to eye and talk to them just like this. Yeah. Because I'm fine because whoever said that, who told you that? Someone told you what you put in a well with a bunch of playing it? Well, who told you that? And how did they find out? I meant to ask you when you were telling me this story when we first started talking. You were selling something some sort of beauty
product with clay? Is that what the story is? Or is that it? No, no, no, we were. Yeah, Ken Switzerland, the minor guy, he was a prospecting and they ran into this glacier runoff, right? Where there was a bunch of this clay stuff and they got the clay and they did a bunch of analyzing on it. Yeah. And they found out it was good for your skin and stuff like this. Oh, okay. Yeah, yeah. So that was that what that part was true. Yeah. I see. Okay. And then it gets connected.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And I don't know who it was a girl who sat there and said that, oh yeah, something about Lisa being buried in this spa with this clay. She said, I got to just fucking bullshit. Is there anything I haven't asked you that you want to make sure get said or maybe back to the polygraph thing? I want people to know that
I always advise not to take it from a pristine lawyer and I took it anyways. And to me, that's stepping up to the plate saying, hey, no, here, as long as the family gets this information, as soon as I said that was my deal with them. I said, as soon as we're done, you let the young family know. And they said they would. So I was like, well, then I'm going to do this. And I was like, it's said, I was nervous. I was nervous and, oh, like I was nervous because I was like,
what if they're trying to frame me? Coming up here today, I wasn't nervous because you're not, I'm not getting framed. I'm like, you like, I'm not on a live detective test where they consider you failed. Oh, you're a suspect now. So the polygraph is something you wanted to return to. Is there anything else when I see people gathering for Lisa? I get it hurts me because I would like to be there. And because of these rumors, I don't want to get rocks showing at me
and stuff like this and stuff for me to be there. But in the future, if there is a surge, whatever, I'd like to be there because I was there since day one. Like I was there. Like I have a father and I asked her father for permission. Who does that? Like who phones up the father of a missing child? And she's going to have permission from you. I'm going to the mainline. Can I have your permission to hang up? 500 posters of your daughter over there. And I did. He said, yeah, you broke down.
Kind of was weeping a bed. And I said, no, it's going to be okay. Okay. You know, and I can, I'll go get the posters made now and I'll go over there and hang them up. One of the family know that the family know that somebody cares out there about their daughter being missing. I was just, I was just sad for the family. Police have never publicly named William Curry as a suspect in Lisa Marie Young's disappearance. But as you've heard him say, he has been the subject of rumors for 20 years.
And the police did question him and administer a polygraph test. I still don't know what evidence the police would have had in order to ask Willie Curry to take this step. The police are talking to you. Did they ever tell you what on what basis they want to give you a polygraph? Like did they ever? I think you, because it's a rumors. Just the rumors. Yeah. They don't, they don't say, well, you know, we have this person who told you, told us, no, no, nothing specific.
No, no, just the fact these rumors are flying all over the place. And there's like, I don't know where people get their crazy thoughts of what they say or anything like that. But it gets a little ridiculous after a while if he asked me. And the thing is, if I went to somebody and said to them, okay, what was that you said? They wouldn't fucking say a word. They wouldn't. Even if they wouldn't say a word. Even if the police were standing beside them.
I'll look them right in the eye and I'll say, now, what are you here? What's the truth? Yes. And they wouldn't answer because they don't know the fucking truth. Yeah. I like my language. If somebody had to point the finger at me and say what this tape, for instance, if someone said, oh yeah, this tape tape, why wouldn't they get it and give it to the police? If they're so big on fingering somebody for it, why not say here and here, here's your evidence.
Go arrest them. Someone says that she's in a well. Why doesn't that person take the police out to that well? But if I walked into a room where if someone was sitting here talking about this and they were fingering me, I walked in that room. They wouldn't sit there saying, you're a fucking murderer? No. They shut up. They wouldn't say a word. Because it's just not the truth. You know, not because I'm big and scary. Am I, am I big and scary?
And I've always been like this. This is who I am. My guy, I've got tattoo there and one of my shoulder and a box and box here. That's what I got for tattoos. I'm like, I'll tattoo it up or nothing like that. Yeah. If I go back at some point at home and I listen to more, if you go up and work questions, I'll drive up here again. Like I need to do this. I'm doing it because it's a stand up thing to do is I'm like, I got nothing to hide from. Like I said, when my drive up here,
I was not nervous at all. I said, well, I want to get up here. I was feeding to get up here. I was here right at time, right? Yeah. I wanted to meet with William Curry face to face. When he asked me if he is a big, scary guy, I wasn't entirely truthful in my answer. He is in fact a bit intimidating to sit down with. But Willie Curry wanted the interview to be in person and I did too. I thought it would be easier
to judge his sincerity. We already talked about how lie detector tests just aren't considered reliable enough to be introduced as evidence in court. And a reporter's gut is likely even less reliable. Yes, I have my own instincts, but instincts can be wrong. My husband is a judge. I asked him what kind of considerations the court uses when assessing credibility. He tells me the courts have recognized a number of factors. Consistency is one of them.
Now, I've only spoken with Willie Curry twice now, but his story is largely the same. Police may be able to see inconsistency in his statements as they would have had prior statements to judge against. Another factor to consider is occasions when a person is untruthful. For example, as you heard earlier in this episode, Bob Gallagher and Willie Curry do not agree on how Willie comes into contact with Lisa's father, Don Young. But it's been 20 years, and that could
simply be a mistaken recollection on either of their parts. When weighed with common sense, does the story seem impossible or unlikely? The story Willie told me of him driving around searching for Lisa doesn't really make sense to me when I first hear it. According to Willie, back then, he's a married man with four kids. He's working as a rougher, training as a boxer, and running an after-hours nightclub. Why would he devote time to driving on random searches
of back roads looking for a girl he doesn't know? The same goes for his odd interaction with Jerry Adair. But then I think about the moment when Willie told me that his tough guy image may come from the fact that when someone steals from him or his neighbors, he gets a back. He describes himself as a bit of a vigilante type character, and sitting across from him in that moment, I believed him to be telling the truth. I could absolutely see him tracking down someone
who stole from a friend. I also recall a news story from a few years back in which Curry helps return a lost ring to its owner. There is also consideration given to whether there is a motive to lie or mislead. And of course, in this case, the motive is clear. Willie Curry wants to put an end to rumors of his involvement in Lisa's case. Now, the court also considers a person's demeanor. Are they evasive, belligerent? In this case, I would describe Willie Curry's demeanor as cooperative.
His tone is neutral for most of my time with him. He tells me he's not nervous, but he does seem a little anxious at the outset. And he gets visibly angry and frustrated on a couple of occasions. His face darkening, frothing a little. But I don't have a baseline to compare his demeanor with. And there are other explanations which could explain this. Talking to a reporter in this circumstance would agitate most people.
I'll be curious to hear what conclusions you come to after listening to this interview. You can get in touch through the Island Crime Facebook page. I'm Laura Palmer, and this is an update to where is Lisa. Island Crime, Season 1