America’s ICE Crackdown: Raids, Killings and Public Outcry

Assalamu alaikum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuhu. You're listening to The Muslim Podcaster. I'm your host Majid. And today I'm joined by my fellow guest, special guest, the host of the Islamic History Podcast, Brother Muttaki Ismail.

Assalamu alaikum bro and welcome back to the show. Wa alaikum wa sallam wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuhu. Thank you Brother Majid, happy to be here. And we haven't spoken in a while now, so we have a lot to catch up on. But let's uh let's get into it yeah bro uh subhanallah it's been uh it's been a long time i've been

trying to trying to schedule something in man but but it's been busy but like you're saying there's loads to catch up on there's loads to actually get your input especially things happening in the united states of america as shall we say but but yeah listen today's topic is an important one and i want to get your uh your intake on it and this this is why you know i thought i'd reach out because there's a lot been going on in terms of you know domestically in

the u.s especially with ice everyone's talking about ice and i'm not sure whether many people outside of america really understand you know ice and what it's about and you know what you know is this some private militia or how is it that you know these people are going around executing people i mean i don't think there's any other way to describe it executing people point you know point blank so it'd be good to uh get some information

from you get your thoughts and try to understand the uh the mood on the streets of the united states of america but bro before we start i want to ask a really important question to you are all of your papers.

Legit oh they they should be okay i hope they're okay inshallah that's good that's good you don't you don't want a knock on the door whilst we uh whilst we're recording do you know what i mean yeah yeah i hope not i think i'll be all right but they have already uh and as you mentioned they've already executing american citizens in the street so who knows what's next who knows what's next man but let's say let's get into it bro uh i mean first of

all just to get your understanding in terms of what what's going down what what people talk about what's the mood maybe even if you want to tell us a bit more about ice and and you know this this this special task force or whatever it is so yeah over to you man all right well the most recent uh killing of the man in minnesota last was freddy freddy i forgot his first name alex i think his first name the last one was pretty he was actually killed by the border patrol

by so we people conflated with ice because ice has been most notorious for uh running into cities or or doing raids in various cities so ice is more notorious and they're all under the same law enforcement umbrella i i don't want to quote myself on this i guess i'm going to have to i believe they're both under the department of homeland security i believe so but ice is immigration and customs enforcement. And this particular incident, the most recent one, was actually Border Patrol.

Why did they have Border Patrol in Minneapolis? Which is so far away from the border, I don't know. Usually Border Patrols for things like Texas. But anyway, but they're all under the same law enforcement and they've all been, it's really crazy. ICE for the longest time was more like an obscure agency that generally just, just. Patrolled the border mostly in texas between texas and mexico or the other states between the united states and mexico

looking for people coming over the border illegally that's primarily what they did they did arrest people yes and even in donald trump's first term there was some notoriety with they had things like children being held in cages and sleeping on tents while beds and all those sorts of things they had those sorts of things there's still more or less an obscure, or now well-known agency.

But now they become like America's Gestapo now, America's stormtroopers, where they have their full federal oversight, their full federal backing. And as you can see, they're going into many of these cities. And.

Particularly particularly parts of cities that have high populations of immigrants, specifically well with minneapolis minneapolis has always been a large uh so always have a large somali population and there's less less to say about that one but i'll try to keep on topic if we go off topic i'll go where the flow goes but minneapolis has always had a large somali population where i live in atlanta we have a fairly large somali population but they're mostly in one part of the city,

one suburb, mostly Clarkston, Stone Mountain. People who are from Atlanta may know those places. But Minneapolis has always been like the major American city for Somali-Americans. Even though many Somalis I know here in Atlanta, they always refer to as Minneapolis being the center. Like Dearborn is for Arabs, Minneapolis was for Somalis, Almost in a way. I think not quite because Arabs really do run Dearborn. But they just have a high population in Minneapolis.

Specifically, Minneapolis, St. Paul, which are two twin cities in Minneapolis, the state. So it's really Minnesota. And from there on, Minneapolis. So Minneapolis is the city. Minnesota is the state. I'm going to my geography next up. So Minneapolis is really, it was sort of around, my history is correct,

Of course, I always have to get into history. If my history is correct, in the 90s, during the Civil War of Somalia, many Somalis started, of course, coming over to the United States as refugees. So we're talking about in the Clinton era at this point in time. For various reasons, some of them settled in Minneapolis. Sometimes, some people say it's because of Minneapolis, more and more immigrants, because they needed the population growth. It's a cold city, it's far up north, close to Canada.

And once they've got a foothold in there, you're distracted more and more and more. So it became like a hub for lots of families. From there, other cities have become very popular. Nashville, Atlanta, Maine also. But Minneapolis is still the major one, and they still have a large population. As you know, of course, Ilhan Omar, representative Ilhan Omar, is from Minneapolis. She's from Minnesota. I don't know if she's from Minneapolis, but she's definitely from the state of Minnesota.

And I'm almost sure if she represents a portion of Minneapolis as well. So she was elected by, you know, a largely Somali voter base.

So then there is, of course, this happens with pretty much every immigrant group. And you saw the same thing in the UK about a year and a half ago, a year, maybe two years ago, where they're accused of scamming the government. They're accused of scamming the government and building and bilking the government of money and, you know, building all these scams and Ponzi schemes and everything to get money from the government. I'm not saying that doesn't happen.

It does happen. I don't think it happens to the level that people accuse them of. And it doesn't happen to the point where we have to have this large government interference. The local government should be able to deal with it for the most part. But there definitely is fraud. There's no doubt about it. I know that that's fraud. I'm afraid I'm talking about it. But welfare fraud happens everywhere. It's not just Somalis.

Welfare fraud happens everywhere. I know countless regular American citizens who have committed welfare fraud and are actively committing welfare fraud.

It happens all the time. So, so, this is just that was just an excuse to target some hours it is what it is what it is it's easier to go after the darker skinned immigrant than the white ones because we also for a short period of time there's this thing about bringing out over white south africans to the united states because here is supposedly experiencing racism in in uh south africa under the current black government which has been there since 1993.

So it's really, it's political stuff. It's all political stuff. The next president is going to not be as bold with it because these things go back and forth. They're going to keep most of the same policies, but just not be as bold as Trump is because if the next president is a Democrat, the media will tone it down some, so it won't be as much of an outcry, but it will still happen. Many of the policies that Trump put in before in his first term,

Biden kept them going. Kept them going all the way through. It's just that the media didn't cover it as much because now,

you know, that boy, Biden, was in office. So when Trump leaves, the next president is going to keep alive it as well. It may make some changes, but I don't think it's going to be an overall huge difference maker no matter who's president. So, you know, it is what it is for now. I don't know how, nobody knows how far this is going to go. Generally speaking, the overall sentiment against ICE, as far as the populace is concerned, is very negative.

You see, they have to cover their faces because they don't want to be doxxed. They don't want to be targeted. They, everywhere, especially if they go to a liberal city like New York City, which is where a lot of immigrants are. So I place like New York City, Los Angeles, Chicago, stuff like that. Large cities that have a large population that tend to be more liberal.

They are often confronted by crowds with their phones out and taking pictures of them and everything those sort of stuff so, You know, they're going to have to cover their faces so they don't get tracked down. And even still, some of them still get doxxed and found out online and have their information exposed. Generally speaking, though, except for the most, I got to be careful because I live in, Atlanta is a fairly liberal city anyway.

So I don't know if I'm just in my own bubble, but I don't believe most Americans like what's going on. They may, even if they agree with immigration enforcement, with cracking down immigration, and getting people out who are here illegally, even if they agree with that, they don't agree with, you know, I hate to split it like this, they don't agree with gunning a white man down on the streets. I mean, it's just not something that happens too often.

So far, the last two people who have been killed have both been Caucasians, and that's a bit shocking. If they were any other race, if they were just, if they were Somali or blacks, or even if they were Latino or something like that, the outcry would have still been there, but I don't think it would have moved as many people as it is when they see now.

Regular i say regular americans but white americans being being killed in the street and even the last one that was killed with the man that was killed they say he had i mean the videos clearly show that he was on his knees he was on his knees like almost on all fours when they killed him so he was not threatening them in any way and honestly guns are legal in the united states it's very much legal to have a gun in most states pretty much

every state is legal it's just a matter how many restrictions they put on there, but Minneapolis, or Minnesota, I should say, even though Minneapolis is a very liberal city, Minnesota has lots of forests and lots of wildlife, so the hunting is a big thing there, so having guns is not really a surprising

thing, and there's lots of, I can't remember the young man's name, but a couple of years ago, there was a protest, I can't remember the city right now, and I'm forgetting the name. I'll remember it soon. Where a young white man brought a gun to a protest. But this time it was a protest about Black Lives Matter. And he wound up opening fire and killing two protesters there. And he was let off. I can't remember his name. He was a young guy.

He was let off. And so he had a large gun. The guy who was killed in Minneapolis a couple of days ago, he had just a regular handgun. The guy who came to the protest and killed those protesters during the Black Lives Matter protest, he had, I think, an AR-15, basically a machine gun. And he wound up going to court and put on trial, but he was found not guilty. He got off. I can't remember his name right now, but if I have a chance to Google it, I'll find it for you.

But yeah, so generally speaking, I think most people are getting tired of it. That's why they fired the recent, like I said, it was Border Patrol that killed the most recent, that was involved in the most recent killing. That guy said he wasn't fired, but he was reassigned. The head of that agency was reassigned. And even, I think her name is Christy Noem, the head of Department of Homeland Security, which is over all these agencies, she's under a lot of fire.

And the Democrats are doing the same old saber rattling where they yell and scream and shake their fists in the air and say she needs to step down, she needs to be fired. They're not going to do anything. I have no confidence in either one of the parties. They're both. One is evil and corrupt. The other is just incompetent and corrupt. And they're both all paid for by the Zionist entity. So, none of them I really have any hope for and much change, but that's what he's saying right now.

Yes, SubhanAllah, bro. Now, JazakAllah for the overview. You know, in terms of like, because you mentioned about the different parties, whether it's Democrats, whether it's the Republicans, and obviously with the sort of MAGA people, you can see that. Especially with Donald Trump, and it's not just about one person, because at the end of the day, he's going to have a voter base.

And, you know, from looking from outside in, you know, it seems, and it's not just in the United States, you can see this happening all over the world. Where the populations are becoming more, you could argue, far right. And you can see this from, you can see it manifest in terms of who they're voting for.

So in terms of what's happening on the street it could well be just politics to divide people but at the same time it also seems very much in line with what is being pushed you know in terms of what MAGA stands for what Trump stands for in terms of you know in reality the Americans, should be white and if you all over the internet when you got these you know podcasts and social media personalities some of them are actually it's got to a stage now where things are being said in

public and just trump saying things in public which is blatantly racist right blatantly it's not like they're hiding but it seems like right now the they're not just getting away with it actually the people are well especially the MAGA people you can see that they're all for this and the strange thing in this scenario where there's two people got killed is that they weren't colored or they weren't like Somalian for example they were just

Caucasian Americans right and I think you're right that's maybe the reason why there's a big hoo-ha but what it would seem is not just domestically but internationally and we'll come to this as well later but it seems that the.

The position that America is moving into or the leaders are taking it down is one where it's not really based on the rule of law in a way it's more like you know might is right in the sense that if you can do it you do it and you'll get away with it because you know a lot of people from Waxi Online why they're disgusted about what's been happening in terms of the these executions is it just seems so illegal in terms of like how can you just execute someone and

then there's talk about how these ice people are actually being trained by the zionists right and you can see and some people talk about this very similar kind of tactics that are being used elsewhere that are being now imported or exported to the streets of america so to a lot of people especially in the west where whether it's in the u.s or whether it's in europe where they kind of like have always been living in this, I would say illusion about the rules-based order and about, you know,

innocent until proven guilty, you know, all of these type of things. These whole activities, it seems like it's going against it and it's becoming the law of the jungle. You understand? So I'm not sure if people are seeing that on the ground there. Well, do you remember the, I think it was last week, the Canadian prime minister gave a speech that made a lot of noise. He admitted what everybody already knew, is that the so-called rules-based order was rules for everyone but the West.

Those rules, even till now, the only convictions in the world court or in the international criminal court have mostly been Africans or other leaders of third world countries. It's never for, you have that in Yahoo, but unless there's a huge change in something, he's not going to face any justice. Not in this world. A lot of people give him justice in the next life. A lot may give him justice in this life too, inshallah.

But it's not going to happen through the international criminal court or anything like that. So it's always been like that. Mike McWright has always been like that. Just people pretended that it wasn't. Or I guess we all bought into the idea that that's just the way it was. Or, I don't know, but it's always been that way Mike makes right on an international scale where the Western countries and Israel, Western nations in Israel could commit all sorts of humanitarian.

Atrocities and, do all sorts of evil things just an example i hate to go into i don't mean i hate to go off the topic i like to talk about history but i hate to go off the topic the one war the united states really lost in the past 70 years or so was really the vietnam war that we can tell you that we truly admit that we lost without any sort of a caveat in that war roughly about 50 000 american soldiers died over 2 million vietnamese died in that war and that was back in

the 60s we don't our weapons are 10 times more powerful, even maybe more than that now. And the United States didn't face a single crime because the United States was the most powerful nation at the time. It killed 10 million people. There were not 10 million soldiers in the North Vietnamese Army. So the North Vietnamese Army may have had at most a quarter of a million people. That means the other one and three quarters million were civilians.

That's how many people the United States killed in that war. Now, maybe United States didn't kill all of them. Their allies may have done some of it as well. But still, this just goes to show that, and even the Secretary of State at that time, I think it was the Secretary of Defense. But even I think the Secretary of Defense at that time mentioned that if this was any other country, the United States would have faced war crimes.

Because we definitely committed war crimes back then. It's the same thing now. While what ICE and Border Patrol and law enforcement is doing right now, it is extreme. But this has been happening. It just has been happening for years. It's just that partially it's because Trump is, has, the media doesn't really like Trump so much. The media is kind of liberal. American, I think most media is liberal.

The mainstream media, the mainstream news media tends to be more liberal, tends to be more anti-Trump, a bit more. Not as much as they were in his first term. They've toned it down a lot more now. But they're definitely more anti-Trump than they are pro-Trump. And so they magnify these things a lot more than they would have, than if this happened during, say, Obama's administration or Biden's administration. So, and also, yes, the fact that they were two white people who were killed,

I think has a lot to do with that as well. That makes me catch on more. But, I mean. I can name a couple of movements that have been violently suppressed by the United States or by different law enforcement agencies within the United States, the Black Panthers, the push movement of Philadelphia. The Black Panthers, Huey P. Newton, if you're not filming with the story, just go look it up in Chicago. This is back in, I think, the 70s. I think it was the 70s.

They went and murdered Huey P. Newton in his sleep while he was just laying in bed, FBI, in alliance with the Chicago Police Department. So these aren't all that new. It's just that right now is being put out there a lot more. And also, white people are more the target now, or at least white people are being killed. I won't say the target, but they are being killed. And that has people up in arms. And also, people don't like Trump. That, I think, is part of it all.

But this country, the United States, I think this was, I won't say it's the United States. No, I think it's any country, but pretty much. Every nation allows freedoms up until it becomes a problem. Every nation allows freedoms up until it becomes a problem or a threat to their establishment.

Then all of a sudden becomes a national security interest and once becomes a national security interest all bets are all so i'm not i'm not someone who advocates for or chaos anything like that or no government but i become much more cynical after studying so much history seeing how much people how many things have happened that go against the quote-unquote written law that nothing really really surprises me so that this is happening now is not really that much of surprise.

And it's just a matter of how far it's going to go. Yeah, it really is a matter of how far this is going to go. And I think even now, I think Trump realized that he's going to have to put some brakes on them. He has to put some sort of controls on them and try to bring down the energy a little bit because it's really going against him right now. He's lucky it's not summertime.

If it was summertime and it was warmer outside, because right now it's freezing cold here, and it's even colder in Minneapolis. And that's probably going to be a lot of the protests at bay. If it was warmer weather he'd be in trouble so I think half the country would have probably been shut down right now, he's gotten off good because we have two straight weeks of cold weather so much of the eastern part of the United States and that has kept a lot of protests

down but if this were to happen two months from now it would be like the Black Lives Matter protest maybe even more so. Yeah subhanAllah you know something that you made really good point about the freedoms they allow the freedoms until it becomes a problem. I'm sure it was the last podcast we recorded during the sort of height of what was happening in Gaza and with all the protests at the campuses, right?

And actually what you can see is, and this is not just in the US, we see it in the UK, we see it where what they've been able to do is. Over the period of two, three years, how they've been able to demonize and change, in a way, the rules in terms of people protesting. Because I'm sure now that there are mechanisms in place where you wouldn't be able to see those same similar type of compass protests in the US like there were at its height.

Because in all that time, and when we were speaking at the time, I think it was in full sway. So you're thinking, well, yeah, you know, the people out, they're expressing their views. But what we're seeing is that, and this is something I mentioned on the previous podcast I recorded that, all countries and powers, whenever desperation kicks in, they're the first to actually go against the things that they are supposed to stand up for and promote, right?

So what we're seeing now, like you're saying, in terms of the change in the protests and the mood, now they've been able to quell that. And I think it's becoming more so now where even though in the West is supposed to promote the freedoms, but the fact that now, just as an example in the UK, where they've been arresting 80-year-old, 90-year-old people because they're holding up a placard which says no to genocide or that they support Palestine action or something.

It's a group that's been put on a terrorist list in the UK, for example. And these are the same people, by the way, that are complaining about Iran's treatment of its protesters.

But that's a side point maybe we can talk about at some point but they are they are setting the ground to make it more difficult now for people to express you know and think about it also in the in the last two scenarios especially with the ice and and the border control people most people thought it was ice here anyway but most people here too so yeah yeah exactly a couple days ago there was actually border patrol so i'm no better go on no no but the point

i'm making is that if you think about it It's not like they executed, The people they were after They executed people Who were standing up for people Who were against what they So basically what I'm trying to say is As a normal person, that can actually demoralize you think, okay, well, I want to speak up, but I may leave home and not return. Because the guy, for example, that Perry guy that got executed, I'm sure he made plans for the evening. He didn't expect not to be going home that day.

So it's a psychological warfare at the same time as well, really to suppress people because even if now you go out, you've got people that can execute you and there's no accountability for them, but that person's lost their life. Yeah. Speaking of the college protests, yes, many students lost their scholarships, got kicked out of school, lost the credits that they've earned thus far, lost the professors who supported them. They lost their tenure, lost their jobs, things like that.

These type of university jobs are very difficult to get. There's lots of competition for them, only there's so many seats available. They lose your job, you lose your job, they lose your tenure, lose your research grants and everything. It can cost a lot to lose that. And I think that has hurt a lot of the protest movements against Palestine in the United States. A lot of that has been quelled. People start seeing their classmates suddenly not in school any longer.

The arresting part was part of the issue. I think people can probably deal with the arresting part. Having the whole future ruined is something a bit more. Being arrested actually might be a badge of honor for certain people that really, really do believe in that cause. But losing your entire future is something totally different. And also, even you saw this after Charlie Kirk was killed. As soon as he, after he was killed, a few people celebrated it.

From a sonic perspective, they shouldn't have been celebrating it. We can speak about the evil that he did and the evil things he stood up for without necessarily celebrating his death. So either way, that's not the right thing to do. But those people who did post social media things, social media messages celebrating his death, They lost their jobs almost immediately. And Charlie Crick is not that popular. He became more popular after he died once in a while.

But because of the government that's in power right now, he's a part of the government that's in power right now, I think a lot of companies had a major reaction to quell any celebration of his death. But even with all that, I forgot what I was wondering. Yeah, as far as once they... I forgot what I saw this quote. I think I saw it today. But once the propaganda stops working, Once the control of the media is no longer as thorough, then they have to start resorting to brute force.

And this is what they're doing right now because they just can't do it through soft means to, portraying Israel as the guiding light of the Middle East or the one civilized nation in an area of barbarians. They can't portray that message any longer. All these social media tools are no longer under their control. TikTok is an example, TikTok in the United States. You familiar with what happened with TikTok in the United States? Yeah, yeah, they brought it out by Zionist. Yeah, yeah.

I don't go through the whole history of it, but right now, like four or five days ago, So the deal was concluded where it became the property of Larry Ellison. Larry Ellison is a big Zionist. He's also the CEO of one of the largest technology firms, Oracle, which most of us depend on in some regards. It's our data centers. And also, so he became in charge of that. Well, he bought it. He shipped it off to one of his cronies or underlines to

take care of. But basically, anti-Zionist messages, anti-Israel messages, all those things are banned, shadow banned. They're kicking people off the platforms and everything. And so more recently, there's been a push here in the United States. I've gotten at least four different messages from people in my small network of friends sharing the message to leave TikTok or uninstall TikTok. And so I don't really use TikTok. Well, I didn't use TikTok that much, I should say.

I have one for my channel, for my Islamic history channel. but I've deleted my account and went on to upscroll. Upscroll is, uh, with, It's supposed to be a TikTok competitor, but it's made by Palestinians. And so I went on there instead. And hopefully that grows, inshallah. But the main thing is to get off the TikTok. That's the thing. If you're a United States citizen, I don't know how it is in the UK or other parts of the world.

But here in the U.S., TikTok in the U.S. is partially owned by Zionists, a billionaire Zionist supporter. I'd say it's fully in because one of the speech that was telling was, and when Netanyahu said one of the biggest achievements they've had is the sale of TikTok exactly. So any Americans listening to this delete TikTok delete your account on TikTok and either don't do anything or get some other alternative that might be better than TikTok than TikTok that's what I do,

But quick question to you, bro. Quick question. Do you think that, because now you see the PR, the PR movement is in full flow, right? Gaza is not finished. A lot of people obviously, unfortunately have moved on because it's not, you're not seeing. And this was actually one of the plans of this so-called ceasefire, which is no ceasefire, is because they were desperate.

They wanted to stop all these protests and stuff like that. So one of the reasons for doing this is now when people are protesting the the regimes and the governments will say well it's stopped there now but it hasn't stopped but what we see is that since then you've had the tiktok buyout in america and i think social media and especially tiktok it played a massive role in actually changing the narrative that people were being spoon-fed right massive role

and to the extent where i was watching a video of that new owner where he was talking about how on the platform if people use the the word the term zionist he was saying if you use it in a positive way then that's brilliant but if you use it as a slur then this will be flagged so what they're trying to do now is they're trying to they're trying to undo what was done right now the question i have for you really is in terms of and again like i said

it might be a difficult one because you can probably only talk about your bubble of of people and what you see but in terms of that narrative in terms of that shift.

Do you think it's reversible? And why this is key is because you have people that are growing up that will soon will be voting, right? And for example, we see what happened in New York with Mamdani, right? Do you think that the political landscape in four years and eight years may be quite different in terms of how people want the relationship between the Zionist entity to be?

Because even in the MAGA base there are those who are saying like okay if we're America first that means America first it doesn't mean Israel first right and then I watched this video of Netanyahu a few weeks back where he was talking about in his his goal is in 10 years to be off USAID right maybe they know that you know that there's been a seismic shift since October the, But in terms of What do you think in terms of Is this reversible Have Americans

now finally woken up And will this kind of like, Manifest in future elections Like the people who stand up for elections Who will be voted Will it be the one who says The first country I'm going to visit is Israel Or is it going to be the one who says Well I'm from New York and I'm going to stay in New York, Yeah The election of Mamdani I think was a really That was uh. I won't say a turning point, but that was the proof that their control over the narrative has really, really weakened.

They don't really control the narrative anymore. They have to use brute force. Israel's Zionists and their supporters have to use brute force and politics and law. They still control the law. They still control a good chunk of the money. They still control law enforcement. So they have to use brute force. Just using, controlling it through the narrative is over. I don't think that's going to change anytime soon.

It'll be very difficult to change. Now, granted, the vast majority of the people don't care. They're ambivalent. They don't really have any concern one way or the other. But even those who do not really know much about the situation, they may not care or may not know about the history of Palestine and the so-called state of Israel. They may not know or they may not care. But one thing, nobody wants their money going to a foreign nation when we don't have things here that we need,

even if they don't care about it. That's one thing that most Americans will agree on. Even people who don't like Muslims, who don't care one way or the other, they don't want their tax dollars going to buy warships and warplanes for another nation when that money could be used here. So I don't think that aspect is going to change as far as, not anytime soon at least. now. Things such as New York is a special case. During the pandemic, I think in 2020, there was another mayoral race.

Mayoral race. And at that time, Andrew Yang was one of the front runners. Andrew Yang was a Chinese-American politician. Supposed to be a very liberal tech guy. But he made the mistake because he was young. He was young for the time. He was maybe what the age that I'm downing is now, maybe a little bit older.

And he was one of the front runners in the race for the mayor of new york city and he mentioned how he supports israel and this is in 2000 long before october 7th a couple years well three years before october 7th and his popularity plummeted and he actually the race a few a few weeks after that because he went from the top of the list down to almost nothing new york city is a different case again new

york city even though it as they say had the largest population jewish people outside of Tel Aviv, it still has a lot of other people too. Not just a bunch of Jewish people. And even those Jewish people, many of them are also liberal. And many of them don't really care for Israel or don't have those emotional ties to Israel. Otherwise, Mamdani would have never won. But he did. So even then, the tide was turning against Israel, even at that point in time, and it's even more so now.

I don't think there's a way to really turn it back, not without some new sort of technology that I just can't think of right now that can do it. I don't think that's going to happen, inshallah. law. Mamdani winning was proof that someone can openly say, I do not support Israel and I'm not going to visit Israel. If that's me, I'll visit New York City. I'm going to arrest him. I don't think he's going to arrest him. I don't think he can arrest him if he wanted to.

But still, the fact that he was able to openly say these things and all of his opponents are trying to use that against him, he's anti-Israeli, his Jews, because that used to work in the past. That doesn't really work right now. And that's part of the thing. And.

Kind of the whole good and bad because you mentioned how it was um i hope i'll misquote you but you mentioned how it's more openly racist now in the united states people are president other elected officials are openly saying certain racist things but at the same time that also allows people to be more critical of zionism as well because whereas before that That wasn't possible. Like, for example, like Tucker Carlson, for example.

Yes, exactly. Those things were impossible, and they still can't be done on mainstream media. It could be done on YouTube, currently. We'll see how long that lasts. But right now, it could still be done on YouTube to a certain extent. But it can't be done on mainstream media. This outright criticism of Israel couldn't be done. Five years ago, 2001, 2000, it couldn't be done like this. But now it is. And I don't think that's going to go back.

And the way Israel is right now, and unless Israel changes ways, if I was an Israeli, or if I was an Israeli politician, the way I would change things, if I wanted to save my Jewish nationalist nation, nationalist nation, I would immediately start trying to incorporate Palestinians into the government or into the general population, granting rights, promoting voting rights to Palestinians and equal rights. That's the thing I would immediately start doing and actively trying to build

up Gaza and start bringing people in. But they're not going to do that. That's not the way the mighty... Yeah, that's not the way the English do. They're going to use... They're going to resort to brute force. That's what they always do. They're expansionists anyway, bro. Yeah, so... If they were smart about it, if they could see long-term, but they weren't so arrogant, but a lot of says that they are arrogant, so we know.

If they weren't so arrogant, that's what they should do to try to A, keep their Zionist state alive and keep Americans on their side, and B, improve their image globally. That could be done in about two years of heavy propaganda, not fake propaganda by putting an Israeli superhero besides Captain America like they did in that stupid Marvel movie. That kind of stuff.

Real good, real thing. And they could do that. And it would tamp things down a little bit and help to cover help put some paint over that corroded rusty bucket as it was. But they're not going to do that. They're going to use brute force and just keep digging their hole as they're currently in until the law brings things to whatever conclusion he decides to bring it to. So that's on them. But yeah, I don't think it's going back. I don't think that's going back.

There are lots of very popular YouTubers and TikTok. Well, they're leaving TikTok now, but lots of popular social media figures who have built their fan base off of criticizing Israel.

So that's their bread and butter. I'm not saying they're sincere about it, but they build their notoriety and their fan base and their money and their income and everything off of criticizing Israel, and they're going to keep that, and Israel's going to give them the fodder to do it, and everything that Israel has done so far as far as trying to counteract these things, all of their social media, the $7,000 per post, social media figures, all that stuff is cringe, it doesn't go anywhere,

it seems so unnatural. It's like watching AI slop. It's literally like watching AI slop with all these. Nobody buys it anymore. And it's just I saw some really cringy pro-Israel videos and they are just. Even if I didn't care about this stuff, it was just so like, why are we looking at this? This is like, it's horrible. And even like just the Dave Chappelle that he did a couple of months ago, Unstoppable Negro, his stand-up.

And the way he closed the whole thing off, that right there, it's on Netflix. It's on Netflix, learning that people can see it. And then people clipped it and posted it all over YouTube. You remember his closing bit? Did you watch it? No, I've not watched it. I mean, if you want to share it. Okay. If there's a lot of cursing, it is. Nate Chappelle is our Muslim brother. There's a lot of guide him. I don't mean what's wrong.

But his comedy is out there. It's not for young kids. I don't play it like that. But I don't want to give it away. But I guess it's all over YouTube. He ended up by saying, if I've ever been compromised, I'm going to have a code word so you know that I've been compromised and not to trust anything I say after that. Here's a code word. I stand with Israel.

And he threw his mic down he ended the show with that but watch it on youtube this is pretty good the last 15 minutes last 10 minutes i saw it a bit and then you know and dave chapelle is probably the most popular comedian right now in the united states he is there's no other stand-up who comes close to his popularity right now he was able to go to saudi arabia and come back and caught no slack a lot of other comedians that went to saudi arabia and their fan base dropped off D.

Chapelle went to Saudi, came right on back, and he bragged about it. He talked about it during his... D. Chapelle is on another level. And again, we allow our keep him on the straight path and guide him and forgive him. That's all I can say.

But D. Chapelle went to Saudi Arabia, came back, bragged about it. Bill Burr, another famous comedian, he went over to Saudi Arabia, came back, and his popularity fell off a cliff because everybody... Criticizing him for going to Saudi Arabia and taking money and helping to whitewash Saudi Arabia's reputation and stuff like that.

So for Dave Chabelle to do that, I mean, and still get away with it and make millions of dollars off of it, for there to be now a Muslim mayor of New York, and I don't care that he's a Shiite, I know he's Shiite. So for Shiite, I disagree with some of the theology, but I'm going to overlook that, quite frankly, right now. Iran is the only state right now that has to, what little bit they did is more than what the other states have done.

Yeah, even Yemen can't really do but so much. I'm getting off topic. I'm sorry, I'll go back. Tucker Carlson, Candace Owens, two very popular right-wing figures. There have been others, even Hagan, I can't remember her name right now. Yeah, Mig was over and over. She was coming over. And there's even speculation that Charlie Kirk was actually moving in that direction before he got off. And not to feed into conspiracy theories, but he was very popular with young conservatives.

And I know he was very popular with young conservatives. It's impossible to overestimate how popular he was with young conservatives. He wasn't popular in mainstream just yet, though he was getting there. But he was very popular with young conservatives, college students, and everything. If he turned against Israel, that would have been it. That would have been, there would have been almost no turning back. I'm not saying he was off for that reason.

But, again, if I was trying to protect my future, and if I believed in brute force instead of propaganda, that's one way I would have probably closed down, could have closed that loop with that. Allah knows best. Maybe the official story is actually true. Who knows?

Yeah, but people have said that. people have said that initially i'm sure even candy sermon said that you know initially she she actually said that he was he was topped off because he was again because the thing is is that if you're if you really are maga then what's the argument the argument is what do we get from the zionist state now obviously the people the deep state in america for them they understand that having this aircraft carrier in the region is benefit to them.

But the normal person doesn't see that. He sees potholes, he sees industry fall. You just got to place that Detroit, for example. And he's thinking, wait a minute, all those billions of dollars that are going there. If they just came here and if they were actually just, you know, given to people and just, you know, used within the communities, then people would be better off in America.

And I think with Charlie Kirk, you know, if you are really truly America first, and I think that's the big difference. Obviously, it's a bit different with the evangelicals. With them, there's that religious thing where they are following them because obviously they want Armageddon and Jesus Christ to come back and stuff like this. But with the MAGA, that's the dilemma that people have.

And if Charlie Kirk, like you're saying, who was popular with the youngsters, with the students, if he went full shift down that route like Candice Owen is and Tucker Carlson, then obviously it would have done a bit of damage. So like you're saying, when your soft power erodes Then you shift to, you move to hard power And saying that, just another thing I want to put to you, Brother Mutaki Is that what we're seeing, and a lot of people are saying this anyway And I think it's quite obvious.

Since October the 7th, 2023 The discussion now, whether it's in Europe, whether it's in America Whether it's at the UN, whether it's in the European Parliament, When people are asking about does international law still exist or is there still a rules-based order, the real reason, and subhanAllah, we discussed this many times since Gaza started, that Gaza was like a furqan. It was like something which is a seismic event.

Because three years on, what we're seeing is that why the people are asking these questions is because of how the hypocrisy has become manifest, the open hypocrisy. And like you're saying, like Mark Carney said, in terms of international law has always been an illusion, right? So what we're seeing is with America, with the sort of moves that it's been doing in Venezuela.

Whether it's the threats to Colombia, the threats to Cuba, the threats to Greenland, NATO, so what people are talking about is in a way now if your face has been exposed right if those things were you know in the 80s and in the 60s and the and the 90s where you know the the ideological battle between communism and capitalism was at its peak so you saw your rocky movies and you saw your rambo movies and there was always a soft

power to show who's the good guy who's the bad guy now it's now it's blatant like you're saying now it's blatant who is the bad guy right, so it's come to a stage where the way it looks like anyway is with america's moves.

Recently it's basically showing like well look might is right you know like Donald Trump he said you know I don't really care much about international law the sort of things that Rubio's been saying these have been really blatant in terms of why do we need to abide by this we do more and there's that one guy what's his name Steve Miller I think he is the bold guy he was even more blatant in terms of you know now it's all about strength it's all about power and so on so soft power

you can see is finished and it's just hard power now and it's the the face the the veil has been removed so in that respect when we when you're seeing europeans especially the leaders who are now in a situation where they are you know it's a difficult situation because within the populations in europe they still feel and they still hold on to these ideas of liberalism and ideas of.

Freedoms and so on right and international law and rules ace border and stuff like this whilst in america it's going going a different route so my question really is is how do fee how do americans everyday americans feel about this do they feel like this approach is making them look bad in the world or because ultimately even though i think it's the it's a super capitalists whose pockets actually get filled but because america would benefit from the venezuelan oil america

would benefit from the minerals in greenland for as an example and people may think that that's going to filter down to the normal person. Do some Americans think, well, screw what people think of us. You know, we're the biggest cowboy in town. And as long as it makes us better, let's do it. So where are people at? Are they embarrassed about what's been happening and how America seems to be looking like the bully boy now in the world?

Or are people embracing it and thinking, well, look, if it makes us better, then who cares? Yeah, I think it's the latter one, especially particularly for Venezuela. Where there was very little backlash and I didn't really hear too many people. People joked about it and everything. But all in all, just from a pure politics perspective, not talking about right or wrong or anything like that, the Venezuela operation, no Americans were killed. It wasn't a long-standing engagement.

Military forces went in, got who they wanted, and got right back out. It was done very quickly. And it's a way to, it bolsters America's military perception across the world. And it got, honestly, it got other nations in the world to start acting right a little bit. It got a little bit of act right in them. So I think most Americans are at least ambivalent about it because, again, it didn't cost us anything or they actually approved of it.

I think it was only a small portion that would say that was great. And also Nicholas Maduro isn't really a very popular person anyway. So it's not like he was someone that Americans had any reason to love or care for. And I can't speak to whether the propaganda about him was true or not, but it doesn't seem as if he was very popular in his own country, for that matter. So a lot of those best, I don't really, that doesn't really matter.

But I don't think Americans really care that have any concerns about what happened with Venezuela. I think that was just like, oh, well, business as usual. As far as Greenland is concerned, Honestly, I don't think we're going to get Greenland. I don't think that's not going to happen. I think most likely... Oh, it's happened. It's happened, bro. It's happened. What I mean by that, what I mean by that, from what's been reported,

the deal that's been struck, it's everything in name. It's everything other than in name that this land is part of America. Everything in terms of they'll have the bases there, they have the rights to the minerals and stuff like this. So other than it just being on paper that this is part of Denmark, Americans have got what they wanted. That, as far as just getting the ability to put bases there and to extract natural resources, I have no doubt America is going to get that.

The United States have done that all across the globe. No doubt about that.

Greenland is not going to become the 51st state or territory united states that's not going to happen, but yeah i don't think you know there's no doubt we go i hate to say we but i kind of kind of have to say we because i'm one of them but if you got there i didn't ask for this but i'm one of them but the united states is going to yeah it's going to get his minute there's some mineral drilling rice all that kind of stuff he's going to get that stuff that's not

a problem there's no doubt about that one um as far as um i forgot we were going with that but yeah i was one reason i could say that Americans don't really care and might actually even be kind of happy about it, I'm talking about generally speaking, is the Iraq War was very popular in the beginning. Up until it got, it started, it dragged off the gears and more American soldiers being killed and coming back home maimed and injured and stuff like that.

Then it started to get more unpopular. And as the economy started dropping, it became more unpopular. It just got closer to the Great Recession of 2008. But before that, the first Americans were broadly fought before the invasion of 2003. They were broadly fought up until they captured Saddam Hussein. And then they were broadly fought when he was executed.

It was only until about maybe the last three or four years, maybe the last two or three years, really, that public opinion turned against him. With Wilmar Gaddafi in Libya. Most Americans even know that the United States, has something to do with his execution. They believe the story that Gaddafi was killing his own people, and so he had to go into intervening. They believe that story up until very recently.

Even though there were lots of YouTube videos stating otherwise, people still believe that up until recently. So they thought, well, yeah, he died in a gruesome way, but he had a coming, things like that. So most Americans probably don't even care or even know about it. Those that did probably bought into the propaganda. So I don't think this is any different. The United States had done this before when I was a kid in 1989.

We went into Nicaragua, I believe, during the first Bush presidency and grabbed the killmaker's name. Noriega. Noriega. And I think Panama. I think it was Panama. This is one of those Central American countries. But Panama and Nicaragua, one of them. And they captured Noriega and brought him back. similar to as they did with Maduro. And that was just a blip on the radar and just as usual. So, no, I don't think that is, because it appears to be over now.

And the United States, quote-unquote, won that one. But I think that's where there's that bit of conflict between Europe and Europeans and the U.S., because the U.S. For a long time has been promoted as being the leader of the free world. And the way they are behaving recently, even though me and you know that they've been doing these things for a long time.

But now it's getting to a stage where the populations in Europe are now trying to hold their own politicians to account by saying, look, how can we side with these people? Sovereignty means nothing to them. They do what they feel like, right? And I think that's a bit of a headache for the Europeans and even people like, you know, even nations like Canada.

You may have heard, I'm not sure, only yesterday I was watching a video about, it might just be rumours or just propaganda, But in Canada, there's an area called Alberta. Yeah, Alberta. It's basically the most wealthiest from what I was watching in terms of that's where the gas and oil is. And there's talks where there were secessionists. There were people who want to have an independent Alberta who flown into the US, right?

Because they want alberta to move away from canada so all of these things are happening i think what it's doing is it's it's putting people who promote this rules-based order this this fallacy that mark carney spoke about and it's just difficult now to promote the people to to convince the masses that these things actually hold value because of of what's happening so i I mean, from what we can see is the way things are moving.

I think now you're going to see more hard power, more attitudes of where it doesn't really matter because that's where we're going now. Once these things don't mean anything anymore, which were apparently put there to keep peace, but the fact that it doesn't matter whether Greenland becomes part of America or not. The fact that the Americans even said that military option may be on the table, even though it was never going to happen, just by them saying that.

You know, it has huge ramifications in terms of the West, in terms of the things that, you know, unite them. And that's why there's more global, more broader geopolitical discussions in terms of is now the time where people start looking towards China as a more reliable partner? Because how can you have an ally and a partner who is threatening you to take part of your country? Just because it can. So it's interesting times, bro.

Interesting times coming ahead, man. But bro, inshallah, what I want to do is get your final thoughts, really. It's getting late here and I still need to put Asr and Maghrib's kicking in. But maybe even some thoughts you may even have on what's happening in Iran and the so-called Armada, which has reached or is going to reach the shores of Iran and whether there is going to be some sort of a deal between the Iranians and the Americans or the Zionists will once again get what they want.

But whether it's on that or whether it's on what we discussed, just your final thoughts on maybe how you see things panning out. Well, I'm convinced the situation in Iran is being exacerbated by foreign agents. I don't. Yeah, I don't. They did it before, during the Mossadegh, when Mossadegh was prime minister and the CIA, that's the first successful operation. They're literally paying protesters to protest against Mossadegh.

And that was like 60, 70 years ago. They've gotten much better in their tactics since then. I also think that after the 12-day war between Israel and Iran, Israel realized that the Iron Dome is not so perfect. And they realized that going toe-to-toe with Iran was going to be Zelf. Even if they can't beat Iran in the air, or even if they do have a better firepower than Iran does, they were still going to have to suffer some casualties.

And you know Israel doesn't have a population that Iran does and they can't suffer you know they can't stand to and they also they also know that they've been in the wrong for attacking Iran didn't you know for attacking Iran and bringing this on them and realizing that they couldn't overthrow Iran militarily or fight Iran militarily they went to the second wave which is the starting these protests out of the blue and all of a sudden you hear these crazy reports of 12,000 people killed and,

I am convinced that that stuff, I'm not saying it all didn't commit, the government didn't kill anybody, they probably did, but I'm convinced that it was sparked, exacerbated, and popularized and propagandized by foreign intelligence services. Most are almost turning these to the idea as well. Maybe some others, maybe even UAE or some others who are involved in it as well. But definitely, so there's that. Now, I also don't believe a military invasion is in the cards.

There's no appetite in the United States still for a military invasion of Iran. The Gulf War is too much in our heads right now. Nobody really trusts the government. Trump ran on the President of Peace thing. We know that's a bunch of BS, but still, he can't call himself the President of Peace when he's going around invading Iran.

And you can't it's very difficult to overrule a government using only air power it happened with qaddafi because he happened to control everything and there's all there's also rebel movement on the ground that was armed and ready to go so they were able to do that in iran there's not so much of that so that would be a very difficult thing to do so political instability is probably the next thing and they can still be airstrikes and sabotage and stuff like that but i don't think an

actual military action is going to happen in iran as far as boots on the ground airstrikes yeah not boots

on the ground and iran's geography doesn't allow for it either it's a very mountainous country it will be a quagmire for any nation that tries to do that they're going to have a whole lot of problems so i also don't think the the shia government is going to just step down i I don't think they're just going to fold anything. I mean, they control pretty much the entire nation. I mean, I don't think they just want to fold and just give everything up.

I'm not sure how this is going to play out. As far as the rules-based order is concerned, it'll be interesting to see when a nation that has some teeth actually violates the rules-based order. We see it kind of with Russia invading Ukraine, how everybody jumped to supply Ukraine with all these weapons. And now they're seeing that they can only do with so much.

And they're getting closer and closer to the point where Ukraine is probably going to have to sign a peace deal and just give up some territory to Russia. But it'll be interesting to see if China were to do something like that. I don't think China is going to invade Taiwan or anything like that, but if China did do that, then we'll see just exactly how far this rules-based order illusion goes. China is much more competent than Russia, I believe. I don't think it's going

to be as easy. China has strong alliances. China's also had much more time to prepare. But we'll see. China's also much more ingrained in the economic system, the global economic system, than Russia was. So I don't know. And that'll be interesting when that happens. I'm not advocating for it, but we'll see what happens when they do that. As far as the United States is concerned, Trump is going to do this four years.

I don't think he's going to be able to change the rules to give himself another four years. We're still a good two years away from that. He's probably going to lose this year's midterm elections, which is going to hurt him in Congress, meaning he won't be able to push so many rules, laws through through Congress, and so he's going to have some opposition. So the last two years, he's probably going to be kind of boring, not as exciting as the first two years. I hate to put it like that.

It won't be as interesting as the first two years. And he's going to, and most likely a Democrat will take his place. I don't think J.D. Vance is going to become the next president, not at this time. He'll have to change things around a lot. So, well, the Democrats will have to run an absolutely horrible candidate that can't even run against J.D. Vance. We're going to get another BS candidate who's going to do the same thing. He's going to do the same thing.

They may be a little bit more stern against Israel and stuff like that. But I don't think too many major changes are going to happen at the top level. On the grassroots level, though, however, on the lower levels, I do think the tide is going to continue to turn against Israel on a popular level. Inshallah, I hope it does. I really do believe, I don't think it's going back, as I mentioned.

As more younger people get into politics and these older ones start dying off and retiring and all, I think slowly Netanyahu is going to have to start relying on his own self, on his own resources all the time. So inshallah, within the next 10 years, I hope the United States will be at least not giving as much military aid to Israel as it is right now. Over time, I think that's going to happen so well. But we'll see. The West is still standing. They'll probably be standing for a while.

I'd like to see. I'm more interested in these things like these alliances like Pakistan and Saudi Arabia. I have my problem with both governments. You know, they have their issues, as we know, but still, that sort of alliance, and I hope more Muslim countries start doing more alliances like that. And also, the way Saudi Arabia and UAE are now at odds with each other.

We'll see how that goes. the Sudan crisis. I'm glad it's getting more attention now that the so-called ceasefire has kind of brought down the vision around Gaza a little bit. So Sudan seems to get more publicity. But, uh, I don't know. I don't know who to root for in that one, but I guess if I had to choose one, I would hope, I guess, the Sudanese armed forces eventually take over. I don't know. They're both ass killers. It's kind of hard to know who to root for in that conflict.

It's such a thing as rooting for one Muslim to fight against another Muslim. It's really bad. But I'm hoping, inshallah, that that will come to an end soon. If UAE can be pushed out of and stopped there, I really don't get the U.I.U. I really don't get that nation. That is like, that's not a story. But I do not understand that nation at all. That's a podcast in itself, bro. I know. I know. I just don't get, you for, you're the one who first clued me in on it.

And as I've done my research, I'm like, what on earth is this? This just doesn't make any sense. But anyway. Yeah, bro. I guess if I can plug my podcast, if that's okay with you? Yeah, yeah. Go for it, bro. Go for it. Inshallah, we're in the 11th season of the Islamic History Podcast. We are going through the downfall of the Umayyad caliphate. We're now at the point where the Great Berber Revolt of 122 AH, which pretty much broke the unity of the Muslim Ummah forever.

The Berbers revolted against the Umayyads. And all of North Africa and Al-Andalus broke off from the Umayyad government, and they never really came back. That was the end of a unified Muslim government. We never had one since then. That was really, truly the end. And it's a great epic. It's a really good epic. It shows how, I hope, at least I try. I don't want to do too much propaganda for myself. But I try, inshallah, to show how forever wars are a problem. And this is the forever jihad.

So a forever jihad is not always politically wise. There's times to not do forever jihad forever. Sometimes you've got to slow things down. It wasn't just the forever jihad. It was also things such as tribalism and ethnocentrism as well between the ruling Arab elite and the non-Arab Muslims and the Berbers who were not Arab also.

Things like that that contributed to all of it. And then definitely tribalism, I think, was probably one of the bigger positions where even Arab tribes would trust each other and like each other and stuff like that. So good story. It's out there now, inshallah. I'll have to put it on YouTube at some point, but it's like an hour and a half long, so it's going to take some time to move it on YouTube. Yeah, inshallah, look forward to that, man. Look forward to listening. We are now, inshallah.

But yeah, everyone listening, watching, definitely check out. And I'll always say, Islamic History Podcast is one of the first ones that I started following. And then I reached out to Brother Mutaki and here we are. We've recorded quite a few episodes together. And inshallah, we should do it more frequent, bro. Because there's so much to discuss and we didn't even mention the Board of Peace. Well, the Board of Peace and all sorts, you know. So maybe we could do this more regularly, inshallah.

Inshallah Inshallah Let me know I'll try I'm usually available On the weekends Let me know Be happy to join And talk about it Jazakallah bro But yeah, Big respect And Jazakallah bro For coming on that Short notice I just mentioned to you A few days ago Let's talk about Ice, And here we are But yeah For everyone else Please make sure you like And share And subscribe to the channel And leave a comment Let us know What you think

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