Can Pop Culture Be Political … and Good?

Does Hollywood have anything interesting left to say? In a world where franchises dominate and grown-up movies have fallen by the wayside, Ross talks to the showrunner Tony Gilroy, whose “Star Wars” spinoff “Andor” has, according to Ross, succeeded in being both original and smartly political in a Hollywood that is often neither.

• 03:04 - The political world of ”Andor”
• 08:36 - Tony Gilroy's syllabus for “Andor”
• 10:40 - Is “Andor” a left-wing show?
• 17:07 - What makes Hollywood progressive or liberal?
• 24:22 - Debating the politics of “Michael Clayton”
• 29:42 - Why aren't there more movies for grown-ups?
• 32:56 - “There are no movie stars anymore.”
• 35:55 - How A.I. changing the movie business
• 39:28 - Tony Gilroy's advice for future filmmakers

(A full transcript of this episode is available on the Times website.) 

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