Interdependence

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Interdependence 7 : Glen Weyl (RadicalxChange)

In this episode we speak to Glen Weyl, author, economist and Principal Research at Microsoft Research. His ideas inspired the formation of the RadicalxChange Foundation, who recently held a conference in which we were speaking alongside Audrey Tang, Digital Minister of Taiwan, Vitalik Buterin of Ethereum and others. Head over to RadicalxChange.org and look out for the deep list of archived talks. In this very candid discussion with Glen we cover his recent work on COVID-19, his recently publishe...

Jun 08, 2020•47 min•Ep. 7

Interdependence 6 - Professor Guy Standing

In this latest episode we talk with Professor Guy Standing, who has been at the forefront of Basic Income research for 30 years, running pilots all over the world. We discuss his original concept of “The Precariat”, a new class that might be familiar to many listeners, the moral case for a basic income and its fans in US politics and Silicon Valley, and his vision of a future of a new left built upon enlightenment principles. Links! Guy Standing: https://www.guystanding.com/ Basic Income Earth N...

Jun 04, 2020•51 min•Ep. 6

Interdependence 5 - Liz Pelly

In this episode we speak with the writer Liz Pelly, who over the past 5 years has written a series of revelatory critical pieces about the streaming economy for The Baffler. We discuss whether the distinction of Independence is all that useful in music at this point in history, take a look at the ways in which the streaming platforms flatter some kinds of music and have flattered to deceive for others, and question what the recent Spotify exclusivity deal with Joe Rogan might mean for musicians....

May 29, 2020•50 min•Ep. 5

Interdependence 4 - Jesse Engel (Google Magenta)

In this episode we talk with Jesse Engel, musician, Senior Research Scientist at Google Brain and creative lead of the Magenta project. Magenta is an open source research project exploring the role of machine learning as a tool in the creative process, developed by numerous researchers and engineers from the Google brain team, Google’s self directed machine intelligence group. Amongst many things we discuss the role and research focus of Magenta, look at how research lab OpenAI’s recent Jukebox ...

May 22, 2020•49 min•Ep. 4

Interdependence 3 - Trevor McFedries (Brud / Lil Miquela)

In this episode we catch up with Trevor McFedries, founder of the meta media studio Brud ( (http://brud.fyi/) ), whose digital avatar artist and influencer Lil Miquela recently caused a stir through signing with one of the worlds premier talent agencies, CAA. We discuss the origins of the project, why he sees Miquela as more of a challenge to Mickey Mouse than human artists, and also some pretty bold ideas for how avatar led projects might help us reorganise the music industry to be more equitab...

May 15, 2020•40 min•Ep. 3

Interdependence 2: AI and Music with François Pachet & Benoit Carré

We are joined by research scientist and Director of Spotify's CTRL lab François Pachet and his collaborator, the composer Benoit Carré to discuss how the latest in AI research offers a new paradigm for both composition and the concept of authorship and ownership. This will be one of many times we pursue conversations with researchers at the cutting edge of Artificial Intelligence and music, not only because it offers a glimpse into the future of music, but also the greater economy. Music is ofte...

May 08, 2020•43 min•Ep. 2

Interdependence 001. Evgeny Morozov

If you are interested in reading Evgeny's new piece in the Guardian, visit: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/apr/15/tech-coronavirus-surveilance-state-digital-disrupt Sign up to Evgeny's Syllabus project to receive a weekly syllabi curated around your interests: https://the-syllabus.com/ If you would like to support this series, please visit: https://www.patreon.com/interdependence <3...

May 01, 2020•54 min•Ep. 1

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