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Intelligence Squared is the home of lively debate and deep-dive discussion. Follow Intelligence Squared wherever you get your podcasts and enjoy four regular episodes per week taking you to the heart of the issues that matter in the company of the world’s great minds. We’d love to hear your feedback and what you think we should talk about next, who we should have on and what our future debates should be. Send us an email or voice note with your thoughts to podcasts@intelligencesquared.com or Tweet us @intelligence2.  And if you’d like to support our mission to foster honest debate and compelling conversations, as well as ad-free podcasts, exclusive bonus content, early access and much more, become a supporter of Intelligence Squared today. Just visit intelligencesquared.com/membership to find out more.
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The science of dreams: why do we dream, and can we learn to control them? With Dr Michelle Carr

Why do we dream? Why do dreams go bad? And can we harness the science of dreams and nightmares to improve our health? Dr Michelle Carr is the Director of the Dream Engineering Laboratory at the University of Montreal and a researcher in the cutting edge field of dream engineering. Her new book, Into the Dream Lab , is a guide to the science of dreaming and nightmares, and the impact the dreaming brain has on our waking life. In this episode, she sat down with Dr Khalil Thirlaway to talk about wh...

Aug 31, 202535 minSeason 1Ep. 3280

What will become of the CIA under President Trump? With Tim Wiener

Pulitzer-prize winning journalist Tim Weiner has been chronicling the history of the CIA for more than two decades. His new book, The Mission charts the agency’s successes and failings, from 9-11 to the present day. In this episode, he sat down with Carl Miller to talk about the agency’s notorious post 9-11 torture programmes, its key role in supporting Ukraine, the threat posed by China and Russia and the hard job of espionage in an age of technical surveillance. They also discussed the disorie...

Aug 30, 202548 minSeason 1Ep. 3279

Can Trump Deliver Peace in Ukraine? With Catherine Belton

In today's episode we’re joined today by journalist and author Catherine Belton to continue our discussion on whether President Trump can deliver a peace deal between Russia and Ukraine. Belton speaks with Conor Boyle, Head of Programming at Intelligence Squared, about what Putin’s long-term ambitions really are, why sanctions are working, and what the future holds for Europe, Ukraine and the United States. Belton’s acclaimed book Putin’s People: How the KGB Took Back Russia and Then Took On the...

Aug 28, 202532 minSeason 1Ep. 3278

Mary Beard and Charlotte Higgins on how antiquity shapes the modern world (Part Two)

How does the classical world shape our politics, culture, language and lives today? On today’s episode, we’re joined by two of the greatest names making classics accessible for the modern day. Dame Mary Beard is a classicist who taught at Cambridge for almost 40 years. She has close to 20 books to her name, including Pompeii , which won the Wolfson History Prize, SPQR and Emperor of Rome , both of which were bestsellers in the UK and US. Charlotte Higgins is the chief culture writer of the Guard...

Aug 26, 202525 minSeason 1Ep. 3277

The Specialist | Fabergé’s Rediscovered Imperial Flower, with Helen Culver-Smith

This is an episode of The Specialist, produced by Intelligence Squared in partnership with Sotheby's. In The Specialist, explore the significance and journey of an extraordinary work through the eyes of those that know it best. On today’s episode, the beauty of nature suspended for eternity. Helen Culver-Smith, Head of Decorative Arts Worldwide and Head of Fabergé and Russian works of Art, reveals how the digital discovery of an apple blossom study, rendered in gold, enamel and rock crystal by m...

Aug 25, 202513 minEp. 3274

Mary Beard and Charlotte Higgins on how antiquity shapes the modern world (Part One)

How does the classical world shape our politics, culture, language and lives today? On today’s episode, we’re joined by two of the greatest names making classics accessible for the modern day. Dame Mary Beard is a classicist who taught at Cambridge for almost 40 years. She has close to 20 books to her name, including Pompeii , which won the Wolfson History Prize, SPQR and Emperor of Rome , both of which were bestsellers in the UK and US. Charlotte Higgins is the chief culture writer of the Guard...

Aug 24, 202532 minSeason 1Ep. 3276

Can Trump Deliver Peace in Ukraine? With Mark Galeotti

On today's episode we're joined by Mark Galeotti, security expert and author, to discuss Trump's recent efforts to reach a peace deal between Russia and Ukraine. Galeotti speaks to Conor Boyle, Head of Programming at Intelligence Squared, about how Trump's strategy is different to previous U.S. administrations and whether security guarantees from Europe and the United States can really quell Putin';s imperial ambitions. Galeotti's new book is called Homo Criminalis: How Crime Organises The World...

Aug 23, 202527 minSeason 1Ep. 3275

Who are the Hidden Women who Shaped our Economic History? With Victoria Bateman

How many female entrepreneurs, merchants and industrialists can you name? We all know the names Rockefeller, Medici and Ford, but what about Priscilla Wakefield, who founded the first bank for women and children? Or the businesswoman Julia Felix, who built a property empire in Ancient Rome? In her new book, Economica: A Global History of Women, Wealth and Power, Dr Victoria Bateman charts the vital contributions made by women to humanity’s path from poverty to prosperity. In this episode, she sa...

Aug 21, 202544 minSeason 1Ep. 3273

What Does China's Seismic Economic Progress Mean for the USA? With Dan Wang

America used to pride itself on ambition. Today, it looks stuck. Meanwhile, China has been busy building the future. In a new book, Breakneck , technology analyst Dan Wang provides a new framework for understanding China. It operates as an engineering state - which brings a sledgehammer to problems both physical and social, in contrast with America’s lawyerly society , rooted in its constitution, which protects individual rights but blocks almost everything, good and bad, and leads to greater in...

Aug 20, 202535 minSeason 1Ep. 3272

How can we win the battle against antibiotic resistance? With Liam Shaw

One of the greatest medical breakthroughs of the twentieth century is set to become one of the biggest threats of the twenty-first - but what can be done to stem the rising tide of antibiotic resistance? In this episode, host Caroline Dodds Pennock speaks with Liam Shaw, biologist and author of Dangerous Miracle: A Natural History of Antibiotics – and How We Burned Through Them . From the miraculous discovery of penicillin to the industrial-scale production that changed healthcare and agricultur...

Aug 17, 202542 minSeason 1Ep. 3271

Classic Debate: The Allied bombing of German cities in World War II was unjustifiable

A classic Intelligence Squared debate from 2012 addresses the contentious role of Allied Bomber Command in World War II. Proponents argue the bombing was a necessary strategic contribution that hastened Allied victory by diverting German resources and breaking morale. Opponents contend that the indiscriminate targeting of civilians was immoral and largely ineffective in achieving its aims, questioning if the ends justified the means. The discussion delves into the ethical dilemmas of total warfare, historical precedents, and the difficult choices made in desperate times.

Aug 16, 20251 hr 2 minSeason 1Ep. 3270

How have rivers shaped human existence? With Vanessa Taylor

From ancient empires to modern metropolises, what do rivers tell us about the way humans build, worship, and fight for their worlds? In this episode, historian Vanessa Taylor joins host Caroline Dodds Pennock to explore the powerful role rivers have played in shaping human history, culture, and identity. Drawing from her new book, Seven Rivers, Vanessa takes us on a journey down the Nile, Danube, Niger, Mississippi, Ganges, Yangtze, and Thames to explore the empires built along their banks, the ...

Aug 14, 202537 minSeason 1Ep. 3269

How Well do we Understand the Female Body? With Polly Vernon

Did you know that women’s brains change during puberty, pregnancy and the menopause? That women are twice as likely to be diagnosed with Alzheimer’s? Or that female athletes are more prone to certain injuries than their male counterparts? In her book How The Female Body Works , journalist Polly Vernon sets out on a quest to understand the female body. She speaks with neuroscientists, academics, and medical experts to uncover how women’s bodies work and how they change — from puberty and childbir...

Aug 12, 202551 minSeason 1Ep. 3268

Are the Rich Preparing for Civilisational Collapse? With Evan Osnos

In this episode, award-winning journalist Evan Osnos joins Carl Miller to discuss the lives of the Ultrarich and themes from his new book The Haves and the Have Yachts. Together, they explore the secretive world of the ultra-wealthy, the symbolism of superyachts, and what extreme luxury reveals about inequality, power, and the future of capitalism. --- If you'd like to become a Member and get access to all our full ad free conversations, plus all of our Members-only content, just visit intellige...

Aug 11, 202543 minSeason 1Ep. 3267

Does Plato Still Matter Today? with Angie Hobbs

Use code SQUARED at the link below to get an exclusive 60% off an annual Incogni plan: https://incogni.com/squared --- Can ancient philosophy make sense of a modern life? In this episode, Sophie Scott-Brown speaks to academic philosopher and author Angie Hobbs about the enduring relevance of Plato and how his ideas continue to resonate in today’s world. Plato’s Republic remains a foundational text to Western thought. Hobbs brings us back to this key text and reminds us that throughout all of Pla...

Aug 09, 202554 minSeason 1Ep. 3266

Did the Road to Trump Start in the 90’s? with John Ganz

Use code SQUARED at the link below to get an exclusive 60% off an annual Incogni plan: https://incogni.com/squared --- How has the past thirty years of American politics impacted our present? In this episode, Atossa Araxia Abrahamian speaks to journalist and author John Ganz about how the 1990s were the perfect storm that created a new America that birthed the Donald Trump Era. Many today look back on the 1990s with a sense of nostalgia. With the fall of the Berlin Wall and the election of Bill ...

Aug 07, 202539 minSeason 1Ep. 3265

Was the Nuclear Bomb Inevitable? With Frank Close

Use code SQUARED at the link below to get an exclusive 60% off an annual Incogni plan: https://incogni.com/squared --- How did the most powerful force in history begin with a faint smudge on a photographic plate? In this episode, Adam McCauley speaks to physicist and award-winning science writer Frank Close about his new history of the development of nuclear power and the extraordinary minds behind it. Beginning with Henri Becquerel’s accidental discovery in 1896 Paris, Close explores the unlike...

Aug 05, 20251 hr 2 minSeason 1Ep. 3264

An African History of Africa, with Zeinab Badawi (Part Two)

Use code SQUARED at the link below to get an exclusive 60% off an annual Incogni plan: https://incogni.com/squared ----- ‘Everyone is originally from Africa, and this book is therefore for everyone.’ – Zeinab Badawi Too often historians have told the history of Africa through the prism of colonialism. But what picture of the continent emerges when we do away with making the story of Africa so anchored in European colonialism? In July 2025 award-winning broadcaster Zeinab Badawi returned to the I...

Aug 03, 202535 minSeason 1Ep. 3263

An African History of Africa, with Zeinab Badawi (Part One)

‘Everyone is originally from Africa, and this book is therefore for everyone.’ – Zeinab Badawi Too often historians have told the history of Africa through the prism of colonialism. But what picture of the continent emerges when we do away with making the story of Africa so anchored in European colonialism? In July 2025 award-winning broadcaster Zeinab Badawi returned to the Intelligence Squared stage to tell a new history of Africa – in all its shades and complexities – without the stifling gaz...

Aug 02, 202538 minSeason 1Ep. 3262

The Specialist | The Greatest Persian Manuscript: A Story Fit For Kings, with Benedict Carter

This is an episode of The Specialist, produced by Intelligence Squared in partnership with Sotheby's. In The Specialist, explore the significance and journey of an extraordinary work through the eyes of those that know it best. On today's episode, the legendary Shahnameh – the Persian Book of Kings – an epic poem composed of around 50,000 rhyming couplets that recounts the mythical and historical past of the Persian Empire. Head of Islamic and Indian Art, Benedict Carter tells the tale of how on...

Aug 01, 202514 minEp. 3263

Classic Debate: To Stop Climate Collapse, We Must End Capitalism

Capitalism is driving us to disaster. Our planet is heading for a terrifying environmental cataclysm – and our economic system is responsible. The defining characteristic of capitalism is perpetual economic growth. And while it has brought us wonderful benefits, including improved health, wealth and opportunities to travel and experience the world, ever-increasing production and consumption – inherent in capitalism – are an existential threat to life on our planet. The more we produce and consum...

Aug 01, 20251 hr 9 minSeason 1Ep. 3260

Did Apple’s Rise Fuel China’s Fight for Tech Supremacy? With Patrick McGee

How did Apple, the world’s most valuable company and creator of the defining product of the 21st century, end up so deeply entangled with China’s authoritarian state? In 1996, Apple was teetering on the edge of bankruptcy. Fast forward to 2003, and the company made a pivotal move - outsourcing production to China in search of affordable, scalable labor. That decision helped catapult Apple to unprecedented success with the iPod and iPhone. But behind the sleek devices lies a complex and consequen...

Jul 29, 202548 minSeason 1Ep. 3259

How did the fourteenth century shape England? With Helen Carr

The death of Edward I in 1307 marked the beginning of a period of intense turmoil and change in England. The fourteenth century ushered in the beginning of the bloody Hundred Years’ War with France, an epic conflict with Scotland that would last into the sixteenth century, famine in Northern Europe and the largest human catastrophe in known history, the Black Death. In this episode, medieval historian and writer Helen Carr speaks to Mythili Rao about this period of social, political and cultural...

Jul 28, 202541 minSeason 1Ep. 3258

How will Taiwan shape Asia’s future? With Chris Horton

The issue of Taiwan is a constant background hum in today’s news cycle. Perched precariously on the fault-lines of global power, the fate of this vibrant democracy and tech colossus will shape Asia’s future – either containing or facilitating China’s expansionist goals. In today’s episode we’re joined by top foreign correspondent Chris Horton. Horton has spent over a decade of living and reporting in Taiwan, and has interviewed everyday citizens, presidents and other key figures for his new book...

Jul 26, 202559 minSeason 1Ep. 3257

Where Will the Next Tech Superpower Emerge? With Mehran Gul

For the past fifty years, Silicon Valley has led the world in developing cutting-edge technologies and spawning high-growth, billion-dollar tech companies. More recently, China has emerged as a formidable force in innovation. But is our focus on the US-China rivalry causing us to overlook the rise of new tech powerhouses elsewhere? In today’s episode, Financial Times/McKinsey Bracken Bower Prize winner Mehran Gul invites us to take a wider view. Drawing from his new book, The New Geography of In...

Jul 25, 202551 minSeason 1Ep. 3256

The Safekeep, with Women’s Prize-winner Yael van der Wouden

It’s been a remarkable eighteen months for Dutch-Israeli author Yael van der Wouden. Her debut novel, The Safekeep, was shortlisted for the Booker Prize, and this year it won the Women’s Prize for Fiction. Set in the Netherlands 15 years after the end of World War II, The Safekeep is the story of a reclusive young woman living in her family’s isolated country home, whose life is turned upside down by the arrival of an unpredictable house guest. In this episode, Yael sat down with host Mythili Ra...

Jul 23, 202546 minSeason 1Ep. 3255

The Specialist | The Untold Story of the Shredded Banksy, with Alex Branczik

This is an episode of The Specialist, produced by Intelligence Squared in partnership with Sotheby's. In The Specialist, explore the significance and journey of an extraordinary work through the eyes of those that know it best. The shredding of Banksy’s Girl with Balloon live at auction in 2018 has gone down in art history. Alex Branczik, Chairman and Head of Modern & Contemporary Art Europe and Asia, reveals how Sotheby’s navigated the newly titled Love is in the Bin through a media storm a...

Jul 22, 202514 minEp. 3252

The Specialist | The Rediscovery of Rubens’ The Massacre of the Innocents, with George Gordon

This is an episode of The Specialist, produced by Intelligence Squared in partnership with Sotheby's. In The Specialist, explore the significance and journey of an extraordinary work through the eyes of those that know it best. Rubens’ early masterpiece The Massacre of the Innocents was hidden away for nearly 250 years. George Gordon, Deputy Chairman, Sotheby’s Europe and Co-Chairman of Old Master Paintings & Drawings Worldwide, spearheaded its discovery, attribution and triumphant sale. Mor...

Jul 22, 202515 minEp. 3243

How Can Football Shirts Explain Money, Power and Politics?

In today’s episode, journalist and author Joey D'Urso joins us to discuss the themes of his new book More Than A Shirt: How Football Shirts Explain Global Politics, Money and Power. D'Urso travelled across the globe from Birmingham to Belgrade and Medellin and Mumbai, to uncover how the colours, crests and sponsors of football teams reflect and good and the bad of of the places they represent. He was joined in conversation by Conor Boyle, Head of Programming at Intelligence Squared. (edited) Lea...

Jul 21, 202537 minSeason 1Ep. 3255

How Geography Explains Our World, with Tim Marshall

Tim Marshall is one of the world’s most successful authors on foreign affairs. He’s the writer who put the ‘geo’ into geopolitics with his multi-million selling books Prisoners of Geography and The Power of Geography . Marshall’s principal argument is that without geography we cannot understand the world. Geography explains why Donald Trump wants to control Greenland. Greenland is of strategic military importance given it sits in the Arctic Ocean along the shortest route for Russian intercontine...

Jul 19, 202530 minSeason 1Ep. 3253
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