My end goal was complete protection from the elements when he's not in use. In my opinion, that's when foreskin means the most. The Intact Again podcast is an oral history project where we share stories from those who have been circumcised and are working to restore what was taken from us. Our hope is to inspire each other with our collective stories of loss and recovery. Welcome back to the Intact Again podcast. In this interview, we talk to Inu. On paper,
it seems like he had every chance not to get cut. The Japanese doctor that delivered him recommended against it, and most of the male members of his family are intact. But he found himself under the knife anyway. He was even teased and made fun of by his family for being circumcised. But he fought back. Independent of any sources about foreskin restoration, he and his childhood friends discovered the principles of
tissue expansion in the public library. And independently, they discovered how to do foreskin restoration. Here is E. News Restory. Well, I can't think of a better place to start than, well, the very beginning. Could you tell us the story about how the doctor that delivered you tried to convince your mom not to cut you? Oh, boy. Well, if it's okay, I need to go a little bit deeper to give some context. I was attending norm meetings in Los Angeles when I was living there, because I
live with my mom. She's old, so I take care of her. And she was like, where are you going every month? And you don't tell me where you're going. You're always open with me about everything, like, mom, it's none of your business. I'm an adult. I'm okay. No, I demand, blah, blah. You know how moms do. Yes. And you're not gonna like it. So we had this conversation. I'm like, I'm going to a thing every month. It's in Los Angeles, and it's
a self help group. Well, what are you going through? What's. What's wrong? Can I help? I'm like, mom, there's nothing you can help me with. It's okay. Well, what is it about? I'm like, it's because of this and that and the other, and we share techniques and we share ideas and we share all sorts of things between the whole group. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I didn't mean to do that to you. I'm like, all right, now I have some questions for you. Now, what happened when I was born?
Who was there? Who wasn't there? Who done anything? She's like, well, okay, I'm just going to go in bullet points. It's a lot shorter. She goes, your father was not circumcised, but he wasn't there when you were born. I did it because my girlfriends convinced me to do it. Her girlfriends were all, well, he could be the same thing as our sons. And you know them, you know, they're. They're all going to be in a locker room situation at one time or another, so you don't want him to look different.
They're going to make fun of him. That's just the way boys are. The strange part about that is I've never seen them in a. In a locker room situation. But my family on both sides, on my mom's side and on my dad's side, just about 90% of US men are intact. So I got made fun of because. I was cut, which is a funny reversal, right? And then she goes, even a doctor who was a Japanese import guy, he practiced medicine here and he delivered you. And I
was on the fence about it. She asked the doctor, and the doctor goes, well, it's not necessary. I have a couple of kids and they're not circumcised. You don't have to do that to your son as either. But she just wound up doing it anyways on account of her girlfriends are going to have sons or had sons already that were already circumcised, probably because of their husbands. That's the only thing I can come up with.
Has your mother changed her opinion on circumcision since learning that you're restoring? She's apologized a couple of times, but it was one of those sideways apologies. Well, I'm sorry you had to feel like that because I was doing what was best, what I thought was best. So I'm sorry that you filled up different. Yeah, classic non apology. Yeah. I mean, there, there was some actual. I'm really. I'm. I'm legitimately, sincerely sorry, but it was. My mom
is that kind of person. She has to have something that she wins. So she was sincere about it, but at the same time, she's got to throw that underhanded little curve ball. I was just doing what was right for you. I'm like, the Japanese doctor told you not to do it. What was your father's opinion about this when he found out, did he express any opinion about it? His opinion? I don't
know, because I didn't have a very good relationship with him. Only thing I can assume, and this is just me pulling this out of a hat, I Can assume that he didn't approve of it because he kept on saying, I'm someone else's. And he pretty much cemented what all my cousins would roast me with, because they were all intact. And even all my uncles are intact. And we've been in locker room situations. We used to go down to Cheesequake park
in Jersey, and there was a big lake there. And after the lake, there was a locker room and we'd all shower off because gross water. It's New Jersey. You know how banter goes. You know how teasing goes and bullying goes. Just friendly bullying. And you were adopted. They found you behind a dumpster, and that's why you're different than us. But it's something I
did find interesting. When you talked about the teasing that you did go through with your uncles that would make fun of you for being circumcised, I found it very interesting that you were almost glad about it, if I'm not mistaken, and you thought of it as making you stronger. Like I said, we were. We went down to Cheesequake park and, you know, the lake and everything. Time to time to go home, get into the locker room, shower off. And. And so my cousins were making fun of me.
And then, just as a joke, it was never was malice. It was always just, we love you, but we're gonna punch. Punch two for flinching. Kind of tough love. And so like, aha, half your dick is missing. And I go, yeah, and even half a dick, it's still bigger than yours. And he started laughing and he was. I can only imagine that he was happy that I was fighting back. How did you first become aware that you were circumcised? I believe we were probably eight or nine years
old. The two friends that I grew up with, one of them was different than we were, and one of them was the same as I was. Oh, So a pretty even group. So that's a little surprising considering the circumcision rates, because this was in New Jersey at the time, right? Yes, this was in North Jersey, in Bayonne, New Jersey. My buddy who lived next door to me, he was born here in New Jersey. And I forget if the other one was born here or if he was born in Greece because his family is
Greek. That would help his chances. Yeah, he had a very odd looking penis compared to me. And my friend, he pulled back the skin and it was like, oh, now it looks like ours. All right, cool. Whatever. It doesn't sound like there is much of an emotional thing for it. It was just, oh, you're just different than me type thing. Absolutely nothing emotional, sexual or anything like that. It was just exploration and making fun of each other. Because my buddy
had the biggest one. I had a medium sized one. He had the weird looking one. You know, that is interesting. It seems like a lot of the people I talked to compared penises with people around them. And oddly enough, I never did that. But this isn't about me, but I just find that very interesting. How did you learn about foreskin restoration? Go back to when I was like 13 and I started going through puberty. I had a very odd couple of years of puberty. It was certain things
grow before other things. Nothing grew at the same time. So I had these huge hands, a huge head and a huge set of feet. I looked like one of those bendy toys because I was a skinny guy with huge hands and huge feet. So. And that part of me grew way before the rest of me, way before my torso. Your penis did? Yes. And so it never bothered me before puberty. It was just tight, but it didn't hurt. But going through puberty,
it grew. I'm not using exact measurements, but let's just call it 7 inches of skin in 5 or 7 inches of dick and 5 inches of skin. So it grew way past what the doctor left me with. That's how I learned that I was, ah, there's something wrong here. I probably shouldn't have been circumcised. Didn't bother me. I didn't care until then. And so the two friends that I mentioned earlier, the Greek guy, his father was very proficient
with computers. And this is going way back before, like user interfaces were simple enough for anybody to use. His father had one of the first computers. I, I believe it was a Macintosh because it had like a rainbow apple with a bite taken out of it. The other guy that was born here, I want to say he was probably Irish. He was really good in a library, like you tell him anything and within half an hour he's got all the books you need to know.
We did a little research. He jumped on his father's computer because he was old enough to use it. And not that he found anything great because, I mean, it was really early in a computer in Internet days. It was like the very beginning of the Internet. So not too many people were on there. So not too much information was on there. The three of us would always stick together. Wherever you saw one, you saw three. So we went into the library and we found books on
skin expansion. There were some kind of medical books Skin expansion. And I remember it was for burn victims. Plastic surgery wasn't quite a thing. And if it was, it was extremely more expensive than doing the skin expansion thing. And something about trying to replace the skin that would be lost with your own skin so that your body doesn't reject it. If you expand your own skin, it's already got the decrypted code of the DNA or something. So it's like, oh, this is ours already. Yeah, you're.
You're welcome here. Well, it might be hard to remember, but were they showing, like, balloon techniques or when it came to tissue expansion? These were, I want to say, 99% text only books and a few little drawings. There were just. I could have made a better picture when I was four. Gotcha. I noticed that you said that you found out about it at 13, but then you started restoring and using different techniques when you were 15. Why the gap?
I was afraid of going under the knife to correct something that shouldn't have been, quote, unquote corrected in the first place. And I was afraid that if I said anything, well, mom's gonna take me to the hospital and they're gonna cut me again. And I don't care to do that. It's unnecessary. So we did some hard digging and studying and research and looking at all the pros and cons of skin
expansion. So I wanted to make absolutely sure that we looked at every possible angle of what can go right, what can go wrong. What's a question mark about it? We started when I was 13. By the time I was like 14, almost on my 15th birthday, I go, you know what? This pain is killing me since two years. I need to do something. And if it doesn't help, then I'll resort to more surgery. So we found the easiest thing that I can put my hands on was like, we didn't even find anything for manual
techniques because this wasn't about a dick. This was about skin. We found it was like a crude way of growing skin on an arm. And it was almost like a T tape. And then I believe we found something on T tape. It was. It was very limited information, and so I used my imagination. I did T tape for about nine months and everything loosened up to where it was just not painfully tight, but still sort of snug. And I'm like, you know what? I'm 15.
I have more important things to do than to play with myself. I'm no longer painful, so I'm good. That's to be the first time that a 15 year old has said that. I have more important things to play with myself. I have to find someone else to play with myself. That's a good point, too. Hey, guys, it's open roads. Breaking in for a second to ask a favor. Do you know someone who would be an interesting guest on the podcast? Please reach out to us by email and tell us why that person has
a unique restory to tell. We love learning about and sharing with you all of the different ways people experience foreskin restoration. Thanks for your help. That gets to the point of why you started restoring what motivated you. But I was hoping you could talk about one of the other reasons. You said that you restored the reverse of what most people say you. You wanted to look more like a potential son that you might have. I thought that was an interesting take.
When I was done after that nine months and I was comfortable enough to live with what I had, I was perfectly fine. And then right before I got married, I thought to myself, if we have any sons, I'm not going to put that poor kid through what I've been through. So I'm going to pick it up again and I'm going to finish myself off. That way, instead of putting him through an unnecessary circumcision to look like me, I'm going to put myself through a foreskin restoration to
look like him. And so if we had any sons and the son had anything sketchy going on down there, I already finished my own restoration. I know what it looks like. I know how it works, I know how it moves. I know how it's supposed to be. That way, if he shows me something, I'll have a good idea of what he's going through and maybe we can remedy it instead of going to a doctor. And then if it's really scary, then I'll take him to the doctor.
What techniques have you used throughout the years and how has it changed over time? I've tried a whopping three techniques. I started with T tape, and that was nine months. I did it for, let's just call it 22 hours a day, because there was a two hours where, all right, peel it off, take a shower, wait until you dry off, make sure you got the alcohol, swab and make sure the skin is dry so that the adhesive. Blah, blah, blah, blah. And so I did it for nearly 22 hours a day, and it
gave me good results. And then there's that big pause from 13 to 20 something when I got married and I started with T tape because that was the only thing that I knew at the time I did that for another year, and I got great results from that. Then I got lazy and I went out and bought myself a TLC Tugger Original. I done that for about a year until I landed a job paving parking lots with my uncle. When you're in California and you're on a black asphalt paving driveway, the heat makes you sweat.
And sweat likes to make the things pop off and come out of your pant leg. So I stopped with that and I just resorted to manual methods. Oh, and I tried O rings, but O rings, they didn't work for me on account of me being a grower versus a shower. I am very, extremely tiny, or I'm extremely not tiny. There's no middle ground with me. I'm probably 1 or 2 inches flaccid, and I go to maybe 6 or 7 erect. They would not stay on because putting them on, I was mostly somewhere
chubbed up a little bit. And then the second I'd let go and, you know, pull my pants up, then I would go back to full flaccid. They'd fall right off. Yeah, that's a bit of a challenge when it came to manual methods. Could you talk about when you tug and where you tug, where you focus on. Mostly? And this is going to sound really, really psychotic of me. I focus more on the top and I focus almost nothing on the bottom where the frenulum should be. This is just
my. What, What. Can I call this like a hypothesis? I guess a frenulum keep the skin forward on a naturally intact man, but most times their frenulum holds the skin and pulls it back forward over the head of their penis. So my thought was, well, if I stretch everything else and let that stay tight, maybe it'll act like a frenulum because it's still tight. And the lack of skin on the bottom versus the abundance of skin on the top, while the top is just going to be pulled forward by
that. I was mostly right. I was mostly right because I try to pull the skin back and good luck trying to keep it off the head of my penis now. Well, that's really good. That's what most of us struggle with. Yeah, I've got partial coverage when fully erect and way more than I need when I'm fully flaccid. Because again, a grower also means a shrinker. And that's one of the big advantages of being a grower. What challenges have you had getting to the CI level that you are now both
emotional and physical? Emotional. I haven't had Too many challenges. I don't get emotional physically, though. The dreaded CI5 hump. Yes. The thing I have to share about that is, and I've seen this on many, if not all guys, they get to CI5, and it. It appears to not be going anywhere. No matter what you try, no matter how you switch it up, you're just stuck at CI5. You know? You know what? You're not stuck at CI5. Consider a CI5 a dam on
a river. The water builds up behind the dam, and so it appears that water is not moving, but it is building up. Now, once you build up so much water, the dam can't hold it no more. The dam bursts and instantly, almost instantly go from CI5 to CI7. Like, CI6 didn't even exist. So even if you feel like it's not moving, like whatever you're trying isn't working, you're getting no success in anything. It is working. So don't give up, don't stop. You just won't see it for a little while,
and then all of a sudden, it'll snap forward. At that point, he takes over, and you're no longer in control until he goes, all right, I'm a CI7 now you can have control back and finish it. You know, if you want to finish to CI 9 or 10 or whatever, it just takes patience to wait for that dam to burst. And once it bursts, it'll just snap forward on its own. And. And when you're at that point, good luck trying to keep the
skin off your dickhead. Right now, I'm just, like, just maintaining what I have, but when I was actively trying to grow skin, it was between five and 15 minutes in the morning, when I'm rolling around in bed contemplating do I want to get out of bed? And between five and 15 minutes at nighttime or until I fall asleep, which could range between an hour or two hours or 10 minutes. What are the benefits that you've experienced from having a restored foreskin?
And how has it changed how you feel about your body? Starting from the center, which I'm going to put myself in a center. My dick doesn't get irritated rubbing around in my underwear, stuff like that. It's just pleasant. The most sensitive parts are now covered up, and I don't have to worry too much about getting exposed and then doing that awkward dance. Trying to adjust yourself constantly. Now there's a foreskin there that stops all that needing to dance around your two
index fingers. Wrap one in a bandage for a couple of days. So let's just say your left index finger, put a band aid on there. After about three days, four days, take the band aid off and then hold both your fingers in front of your face and blow on them. Which one can you feel more breath on? Well, definitely the left one because it's been covered by the band aid. Well, it's not like you grew any nerves, you just made
them more sensitive. You didn't grow any kind of nerves in your left finger, but you just made them more sensitive, more receptive to blowing on it and feeling the breath because they haven't been exposed to the elements of air and underwear and all the other fun stuff that the rest of our skin gets to experience. So when people ask me, well, how do you grow back to nerves? I tell them the truth. I'm like, you don't grow back to nerves, you just uncover them and wake them up.
You can never grow this back 100%. You can get the look of it, you can get the function of it, and as far as nerves and blood vessels go, you can't get that back. But what is there, what's left there can be reawakened. When you're intact, you're a hundred percent. When you're circumcised, you're lucky to have 30% of what you used to have. When you're fully restored, you can be lucky to get back up to 60 or 70%.
If you're real, real lucky, you can get up to 70% of what a naturally intact male has. And my gosh, 60, even 50% is better than 30%. Moving outwards from myself, sex is definitely better. Orgasm would just surprise me out of nowhere. Now I've got a little bit of a heads up. I can feel it coming on and I can back off. If I want to last a little longer, I feel it coming on a lot sooner and that feeling lasts a lot longer now. So if I don't want to bust, well, I know I can slow down,
chill out, breathe a little bit. That tingling, funny feeling goes away and now I can go again. So you can actually edge now where you weren't able to before? Correct. Moving further out slightly. My partner, she likes it, she plays with it. It's fun. When I'm in her, it's the sensation of pressure moving in and out versus friction moving in and out and scraping her. One way I like to put it is me jerking off while I'm inside of her. Because you're
within the skin tube, right? Like if I'm on the outstroke the skin stays in her and I could pull my dickhead almost all the way out and the skin remains inside of her. What is your end goal when it comes to restoration? I am absolutely thrilled to say that I've reached it. My end goal was complete protection from the elements when he's not in use. Because in my opinion, that's when foreskin means the most, when it's not in use. Whether you're a minuteman or whether you're a
porn star, that goes on for hours. That's a fraction of the time of when you're not using it. So in my opinion, foreskin means more to me when it's not being used. It's protecting me. Like I said, the quality of life. Not having to constantly adjust or having my dick hole rub against the underwear or a seam of my jeans and getting irritated. My end goal has been reached because I have way more overhang than I need when I'm fully flaccid. I'm probably a CI, 11 or 12.
There's two CI scales. There's a CI and a RCI. RCI I think, is way more accurate than the CI. And on an RCI, it'd probably be a 10, because on full erection, I do have some coverage, maybe 50% coverage on a full erection. And you specifically mentioned that you don't want full erect coverage. And I wanted to ask you about why you didn't want full erect coverage. I don't want it. I don't care for it. That's not my goal because to me,
that's unrealistic. There are guys who are absolutely blessed to have fully wrecked and overhang on full erection. I don't know if I would have had that had I been left intact. I know if I had some kind of overhang while fully erect, Man. What kind of. What kind of floppy skin noodle tube thing would be flopping around on full flesh? Flaccid. Yeah. With you being an extreme grower, that makes a lot of sense. You just the to get full erect coverage. That means that you would.
You would be swimming in it when flaccid. Yeah. It'd be like you could fit two dicks in there. The fun part about foreskin, when it becomes overhang, after a couple of years of not touching it or not working it or not stretching it, it tends to shrink and it tends to tighten itself up without any kind of surgery, without any kind
of devices, without any kind. So I have that overhang that kind of sort of cinches itself when it's overhang and there are times where I need to struggle to pull it back in the morning. If I don't hold it back, it'll snap forward without me even trying it. I'm sure that you not stretching the frenulum also helps with that. Like I said, that helped it a lot being that I didn't stretch the bottom part as much as I did the top part.
One of the, one of the reasons I stretched a little bit the bottom is so that I could avoid turkey necking. You know, I'm going to have all the skin on the top that's going to cause some kind of turkey necking. And, and I posted that one little video in our telegram group of holding the balls back to prevent it. When I'm.
When I'm doing manual methods, while the right hand is pulling forward, the left hand is holding the balls back and that puts a lot of tension on the bottom part and that presents the turkey What do you like most about restoring? The fact that I know I'm doing something for myself. There's a reward and it's a delayed reward. It's not instant gratification. It's something that you need to work towards. I don't like the fact that we need to do it in order to
have something that shouldn't been. Should not have been taken from us in the first place. But working to get it back is like a reward and it's kind of sort of like a big middle finger. Fuck you. To whoever convinced the people to circumcise to do it in the first place, it's like, hey, you thought you had me. Fuck you. I undid What do you like least about restoring? It takes
so long. If I take all the time and combine it because it's been like nine months and then years of not doing it and then it's been a couple of years doing it and then a couple years off not doing it. If I take all the on years and combine them, yeah, it's been about 12 years. I started when I was 15 and I'm 47 now. Looking back, what would you have done differently when it comes to restoring? Stay consistent.
Absolutely consistent. I don't care if you're doing four hours a day, if you're doing 11 hours a day, or if you're doing 11 minutes a day. So long as you do something, anything is better than not doing anything at all. It doesn't need to be 35 pounds for 22 hours. It could be a quick 10 tugs in a minute. So that you're just not allowing those skin cells to rest. What is next for your restoring journey? Maintenance. I've quit tugging to gain skin, but I continue light tugging to
maintain what I have. When you think you're done with restoration and like, let's say you want to go for that CI 10 to RCI 10. If you're shooting for 10, go to 11 and stop and you'll come back down to 10. If you're wondering, well, when will the end of a trumpet ever tighten up? I'm going to have to go for, I think you call it a shoestring surgery or I'm going to have to go for the V notch surgery to have this tighten up so it stops
pulling back behind that. No, you know what? I didn't do any of that. When you're done, stop tugging. After about a year, you'll notice it start to shrink and collapse on itself. And I know every man is different. Every cut is different. Some have been high and tight, high and loose, low and loose, whatever. You've gone all your life being circumcised. You've just spent a fraction of your life regrowing your skin. What's a fraction of that time waiting to see if it'll
go back by. Itself because you don't want to cut away some of the skin you just painstakingly grew. What advice can I give to anyone who struggling to stay motivated? I guess stop trying to shed prematurely, let's say, because if you lose, I hate to call it protection. If you lose the protection of that thickened skin before you have
coverage, you're going to have a very unpleasant time. If you're unpleasant just adjusting once in a while now, you're going to be super unpleasant because, well, you have don't no calluses to protect you from rubbing around in your underwear. You're going to pray for that to come back until it's time to lose it again. And it's not hard to lose it, but it's just one extra step you don't need to take. It'll decaratonize when it wants to. When it's ready.
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