If you ever hear me say something about that, I'm saving the world one penis at a time. That is her saying. And she says that to a lot of people out in public. You're saving the world one penis at a time. I am. The Intact Again podcast is an oral history project where we share stories from those who have been circumcised and are working to restore what was taken from us. Our hope is to inspire each other with our collective stories of loss and recovery.
Welcome back to the Intact Again podcast. In this episode we talk to the inventor and manufacturer of the Fit V4 and other popular restoring devices. He talks about his childhood working in the military and his retirement from the semiconductor industry, which leads us to how and why he became the designer of one of the most popular restoring devices available. So without further ado, here is Walter's restory. I have two sons and an adopted daughter. And I know you're going to ask.
No, they were not spurred. My first wife basically raised her two younger brothers or different circumstances. Apparently they were both cut and of course I was. And she was the one that basically made the major decision to make everyone the same, which is a horrible decision. But. As far as I know, I believe my grandsons are still intact. I made the suggestion that my great grandson, which apparently is was just born this morning. They're going to keep him intact too, as far as I know. So maybe
the chain has been broken. We can only hope. What were your family's attitudes about circumcision? Like I said, I was born in Colorado and there's six of us in my family. The four of us that were older grew up together and then two younger ones than I grew up with my grandparents. I didn't meet my mom TILL My my ninth birthday, so my grandfather passed away when I was 11. And you know, my grandmother and my three older sisters, it was, I was the only guy. I got five sisters. The three older we
grew up together and the two younger didn't. But sex was not discussed and especially anything male related because I know my oldest sister, you know, she was a tomboy, but she still had indoor plumbing. How did you first become aware that you were circumcised? I can remember back in junior high, I think it was back in my day. We had in physical education gym class. We had to do the shower before you could go to the next class.
But I remember that one of our fellow classmates was not circumcised. He was still intact. And one of the class bullies was making fun of him that said, you know, ha ha, you have to sit down to pee. It never dawned on me what exactly what he said until later on because apparently he still at that time of his life he, it was the foreskin, hadn't it has it didn't unfuse yet. Yeah, okay, that's good. My buddy. So you know, standing at a urinal, you know, you peeing on the guy to the right
of you, it's like oops, sorry. So, but yeah, military wise in our wonderful 50 man dorms, you know, they had a shower, had like 25 shower heads. I don't remember anyone not being circumcised either. Of course I didn't really look because that would get you not good trouble. How did you first learn about foreskin restoration? That's another good question. I just, I guess Google. It's one of those thoughts of one day.
Grow foreskin. I don't know if I, you know, at that time, you know, I knew I was circumcised and you can see the scar and, and all that. It's also about the same time my youngest son started gauging his ears. It's like, well, if he can grow extra skin for his earlobes, why can't you do that for foreskin? So erect was mostly tight. I wouldn't say. I, I've heard of, you know, two different customers that, you know, sometimes they were extremely tight and painful. I just started on the Internet.
I can't remember the name of the website. It's Tally's website. I started getting active there. And what CI level are you. Probably at 8, I guess. 8 and full plastic coverage with some overhang and about, I don't know, is it what, 2/3, 3/4 erect, whatever number that is. I gave up on the numbers. How long have you been restoring? I started in October ish of 2015.
I guess. I probably started out maybe a 2 or a 3. 2. I had some slack skin because between marriages it got a little aggressive sometimes. I had loosened it up some. What about frenulum? I, I, I almost hate to ask, but were you one of the lucky ones that has some frenulum left? I believe I have all of it left. All right. They're very lucky. I haven't got any, but this isn't about me, but I'm very happy for you. Yeah, yeah, it's, yeah, I would say I probably have it all.
So what was the thing that made you decide to restore when you decided to restore back in 2015? I don't know. It just became something to do. It's just like one of those things. I just start to become a habit. I used to catch myself that if I'd wake up in the middle of the night, I would use it for a security blanket to, you know, get my mind.
Because, you know, I'd play it. I would put my fit on and play it just a little bit to redirect my attention of what's going on, my brain and everything else, to a different sensation, and it would allow me to go back to sleep. Either that
or I would. I would put it on the fit devices, put attachment or tucking attachment or a weight, not both at the same time while you're still inflated, but you can also not inflate and use that for a weighted device, or you can use it for a tugging device without the inflation. I'd put the tugging attachment on and hit a fender strap up around my shoulder and for the tension and I go to sleep and, you know, I ultimately roll around and the tension
would go away. And, I don't know, like I said, I used to call it my security blanket. What challenges have you gone through in order to get to the CI level? You are now both physical and emotional. Emotionally wise, what's that saying about crying over spilled milk? What happened? What happened? You know, I just can't go back and change it. I can change it now, but I can't. Can't go back what happened. And I don't think it has ever really affected me psychologically.
But challenges physically would be the. The job that I used to have in the semiconductor industry was a compressed work. We 13 hours a day, you know, three days one week, four days the next week, and being in the cleaning room in a bunny suit, you just can't rush to the bathroom if you need to adjust or
go to the bathroom. So the challenge for me was where a lot of people are in one camp, it's time under tension, and I'm under the other camp, where you don't need to be under tension all day long if you have it just a little bit more intense, a little bit more pressure, less time. I'm sure there's been many studies of skin stretching, and there's a lot of anecdotal evidence that you don't have to stretch
all day long. During the time I was working, I would put my fit on in the morning and for about an hour while I was getting ready for work, then I'd take it off. And depending on how tired or enthused I was that night, I'd put it on just before I went to bed for a while. And my challenge was how to get time under tension. But I would say that inflation probably helped me quite a bit because I think it's just my observation that inflation helps the inner skin.
It also helps you get around the hump. If we're having problems not making up 2C4 to have rollover, then you got to have a little bit of radial stretch so you can make it over. Yes. Especially if you have the. The big mushroom, as they say, sometimes the glans is bigger in proportion to the rest of the penis, and sometimes it. Sometimes it isn't. Looking back, what would you have done differently? I probably fought more with my first wife as far as cutting my sons. I don't know.
The Internet was around in the early 2000s. Wish I would have known to search for said activities earlier. See 201554 when I started. If I could have started earlier. I think that's a very common thing, that we all wish that we started sooner. No matter how early we started, we could start at age 18 and we would still say, I wish I had started earlier. What do you like most about restoring? Facebook has got basically three different chat groups, and I communicate on those
more than daily. And I created a Facebook chat group EC that I call FRD Peeps. So foreskin restoration devices Peeps. Whereas people that have contacted me on Facebook and I created a big old honking group of those people so those people can talk. Because three Facebook groups don't have all the same. A lot of. Quite a few of the people are in all three of them, but there's some of them that aren't in all three of them. So I created my own little chat group.
So if I come up with an idea or whatever, and I run past them saying, you know, hey, I'm thinking about this. You know, what. What's your thoughts? Can't say they're more sympathetic to the plight, but they're a lot more engaged because they have a device made by me. As far as device making, there's there, like I said, there's some stuff that I've made that like, why did I make this? This is too much. And they quietly disappear. Not for that. No more. What's next for your restoring journey?
Restoration journey. I'm. Like I said, I'm pretty much done. I haven't really restored for, I guess, most of this year. I put on devices to test them out and make sure everything, you know, not gonna hurt anyone or damage anyone. How has this made you feel different about your body? It's nice knowing that I was capable of a body modification, even though I just shouldn't have had to have the modification. So. No tattoos, no piercings,
just an extended foreskin. How have your friends and family responded to your efforts to restore a new making devices? I wish I had friends. The people that I talked to are all online. Mainly all of those are in the foreskin restoration arena, so pretty interesting. Like I said, my wife is really understanding. My son knows of it, so doesn't bring it up and I don't bring it up. So have your sons considered restoring? I don't know. My youngest son knows
about it. He's been in my shop while I'm making stuff and my grandson, he knows about it. Of course, he doesn't have to worry about it at the moment. But my oldest son, he's kind of indifferent the whole thing, I guess. Like I said, my youngest son knows about it, but I haven't approached the. The subject of, hey, I sell these things. You want to use them? Well, I think the important thing is that he knows that it's a possibility. Then it's. It's his choice whether to or not correct.
The people I used to work with, I never let on. My hobby job on my days off today, when I wasn't working was in the pore skin restoration. I don't think it probably would have changed anything, but I didn't want to jeopardize. The apprenticeship or whatever camaraderie that we had. While surrounding my subject to my wife. She's a big advocate of what I do. I never have hid my restoration efforts. I told her, you know, this is what I want to do.
I think it'll help us. And I noticed later on, in restoration territory, the lovemaking sessions changed from, what do they call it, jackhammer sessions, where, you know, there's little to no sensation so you really have to work at it to basically it changed to where it was a lot more slow and deep. The sensations changed for both of us. I can't say that we didn't not like it. If you ever hear me say something about that I'm saving the world one penis at a time. That is her saying.
And she says that to a lot of people out in public. Are you saving the world one penis at a time? Which I am. Foreign. Hey, restoring friends, it's open roads and I'm here to beg for money. We have big plans for 2026 and we've already raised enough money to continue Hosting the podcast for another year. Thank you so much for that support. But next we want to launch a website for the podcast where we can encourage more men to consider restoring.
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I worked on the. It was called weapons release. It was the mechanisms that held and released bombs. And on the A10 it was the. The GAL 87 barrel Gatling gun. So it was. It was quite the. Quite a fun time. Until it wasn't. After I got out I was managed to land a job in the semiconductor equipment maintenance industry. So I worked on a lot of different machines that make everything that we use today.
In my last 22 years I worked for a company called ASM America which is a vendor company that makes one of the many machines that intel uses. Uses. Part of my career was spent in what they call epitaxial deposition which is basically growing a layer of silicon on top of a silicone. Epitaxial deposition was adding what they call dopants, a change in the characteristics but trying to keep the crystal lattice the same. Our machine ramped those wafers up to 1100 degrees to do its thing with hydrogen.
So we have a really high explosive gas with very hot heat. I spent almost 30 years in the semiconductor industry. It got to be just too physical to maintain a lot of that equipment. Especially toward the end. It was. The stuff was super duper heavy. The innards of the. Of the machines that you had to take out every once in a while to do a maintenance on just. It just got to be too much. How do we use what we call breathing air? If you can picture scuba, right. The sub
Self contained Underwater Breathing athletes. It was just scba. So self contained breathing apparatus. Just without the water? Yeah, without the water. So you'd be in. We call them bunny suits because that's kind of what you look like. We use bunny suits to keep us from the wafers. Anyway. When you have that on and you'd have your breathing air mask on and all kinds of chemical protection, it's just like. It just got to be too much. I knew I
wasn't going to do this the rest of my life. I also wanted to have a machine shop. I could say my garage is turned into a machine shop of sorts. What was your educational background? I have a associate's in electronics, a bachelor's in computer science programming, and I have a master's in project management but never went and got the test. So I got the knowledge but not the certification. I'm assuming that that stuff that you
learned for project management is helping you right now. Yeah, there's a lot of. A lot to fall back on to help the logistics of behind the scenes keeping everything going. The first device I used the two baby bottle nipples. That were extremely painful because I could never get them trimmed just right. Actually at the time. One of the everyone else's first devices that they bought was the DTR. After about, I don't know, probably about a year 2016ish, I got tired of the pusher
pushing the gland farther and farther back. And I just happened to be cruising around Chuck's website and he had a video of him making a DTR and I was watching it and he was turning nylon on his wood carving lathe with hand tools. It's like I gotta leave. He also had the inflation part of his. And I can't remember if back in those days if there was any other inflation devices. But the first one I made. I called a force gauging inflation tool. That was your first device you made?
Yeah, mine's the first one I made to sell was the Fit and it was made out of acetyl plastic with the fish tank valve super glued into the top. It worked for a little while, except for super glue doesn't like acetal. I got tired of the DTR pushing the glands and I knew that I wasn't going to be in my the semiconductor industry forever. So it's like, hey, this would be a good niche market and yes it is. I started in 2017 with the original fit with
the fish tank valve. And it progressed from there to the V2 which was the metal valve and the V3 which was the plastic valve. I wanted also to make a balloon device which the V4 is capable of. You can put a balloon in there before you put the valve back in the gripper assembly. How did you come up with the idea to change the hardness and the stretchiness, have that be customizable? Because I, I've never seen somebod else do that when it comes to their devices.
A lot of the other device manufacturers, they're more of an assembly than a manufacturing where they have a Lot of their stuff made ahead of time where it's probably injection molded. So they. You know they have to buy a thousand grippers and they're all going to be the same. I don't know how the other people make like the packers or the restore and Comfort or whatever you want to call them what silicone they use. But my silicone comes in basically
three parts. You get the part A and part B. If you mix those together it's whatever the described as. But you can also have a hardener or a deadener. My outer grippers for the extended foreskin retainers. They start out in the the Shore 0 or Shore O range and I have to make em harder otherwise they would just ablate. They just fall apart I guess. Yeah. They would just be a stretch. It'd be like chewed gum or something. So I have to add hardener
to those to make it. More. But I can't use the deadener on the other stuff to make it that much less so. And on the extended foreskin retainers that that I've been. They started in August. A lot of the the action is not from the gripper. It's just kind of like holding you the skin in place so it doesn't need a death grip. So. So the it being able to stay in place is it like the tackiness of the. The gripper and not as much the pressure? Correct. The 0030 that I using is really
tacky. So it. It does help. During COVID or thereabouts my metal valves that I used to use they became made out of unatanium. Couldn't obtain them and they were becoming to be like half the cost of the device. Just a valve. So they make aceta ones plastic whatever we call them. Same valve just made out of plastic. Apparently a lot easier to make and all this other stuff. Okay. The foreskin inflation tool version 4 the current version has
two different assemblies. The gripper assembly and it has the inflation assembly. That's what I call them. Inflation assembly is the. Delrin. Part that the valve sits into. And then there's the gripper assembly on the. For the people that want to kind of upgrade their from their plastic. You don't have to buy a whole new kit. You just have to get the acetal part with the valve in it. It's a metal valve instead of plastic valve. The way I designed the V4 is
you can change the grippers. One of the other products I make is the. I call it the foreskin anchor which is using the same gripper as the Foreskin or the fit v4, but it sits two and a half pounds. Actually a pound and a half. We got the end of it and then the part where the gripper goes onto. So I am using metal valves again, if you so kind of want to add the extra 20 bucks to it. I think more than a pound is more than enough weight.
But there's some gentlemen out there that really want to add the extra tonnage down there and the. The plastic, it holds up well. But if you don't want to make sure you don't break the end of it off, get a metal valve. Interesting. What would you say the percentages of people that get a metal one versus the the plastic Covid alternative? Probably one in three. Anyway, I'm trying to make everything modular.
The options are you can have circles on the outside of the inner gripper and on the inside of the outer gripper. Or you can have combination of smooth inner outer. I have an option for the hardness of the material. Lately it seems to be everyone's been wanting the smooth inner outer with the more stretchier, less forgiving I guess outer gripper. Instead of being 18 a the short hardness of 18, I tried to make it around a 12. The lower the number, the softer the stretcher the silicone
is. But the also the lower the number, the more radial expansion you're going to get. When you inflate, which usually causes blowout, slippage, whatever. What is your process for coming up with a device? Someone's idea. Oh, is it like your. Like your ideas or do. Do you get a lot of them from suggestions from other people or. If you have an idea and want to work with me about it, I will work with you. So. Lately it's been. Replication, I guess for people
that. Expressing a desire that they can't get because of supply chain issues or whatever the problem happens to be. But I can basically see things in 3D. I guess I can visualize how I want to do something. Said early on it was just the desire to have something that wasn't being made at the time. From idea to production, how long would you say that it takes to make a new device? Probably three or four days. What? That quickly? That's awesome.
I'm getting to the point that if I can draw in Fusion 360, I can make it. Actually probably about a year and a half ago I got a new different, better 3D printer than I used to have. And it's doing some stuff that my original one was like. That first V took a long time to to come up with because I was just learning how to use my lathe and different tools for this and different tools for that. How long does it take for you to make something like a fit 4 from start to finish? Not the design
process, but the actual making of it. I have it programmed so it's, I can't say it's completely automated, but it takes me about 20 minutes to build the seatl part. But in the summertime I only have five minutes from the time I put my silicone together, the part A and part B, till the time it starts hardening up. So I have to have my grippers made within
five minutes. And then it takes probably about another five minutes after they, it hardens up to, I believe they call it flashing the parts between the silicone oozes out between the mold parts. Oh, okay. Like the new tire look, you know, where it's got the, it's got the. Little, the little strings on it. Huh. So I have to make it look nice and functional. It takes about another five minutes, so probably, I don't know, half an hour. It used to be a real, a real pain to make.
I have basically what I call four different categories here. The outdoor plumbing for the, the penises of the group. I have the, the fit before which is like I said, is a basically I guess three pieces. You got the bulb that's got the valve on it, the inflation assembly and then the gripper assembly. I also have the foreskin anchor which is like I said, uses the same gripper as a B4. But sooner or later it's probably going to be the alternative to the non existent puds penis uncircumcising
device. I believe that's what they call it because the, they don't make those anymore. Then I have the indoor plumbing which is labor menorah stretching device and the clitoral hood stretching device. And then I have a whole bunch of accessories. In August I started hopefully taking up some of the frustration of the Colin packers, the restoring comfort dudes and everyone else that was having problems keeping up. You made the device to make up for those people not being able to keep
up with demand. Correct. Because you know, I heard horror stories that people were ordering in May and still not getting in August. It's like eh, that's not good. So basically I have two different sizes. The original E, the extended forescan retainer that I built, it was designed to sit farther up the glans above where the frenulum starts. And then I had a couple of, I guess, well and weller endowed people that wanted something that was, that would go farther down and because it just wasn't
possible for them to even think about the original ones. So I have two different sizes and currently right now I'm working on the large ones having a notch on them. And of course I have the extra set of fingers which are basically, if you can imagine your thumb and forefinger being made out of silicone and 3D painted where you can localize certain places where you untug without wearing your poor fingers out. The extra set of fingers is. I don't think
anybody else has anything comparable to that either. That's a very interesting one. Something that's been pretty popular lately is the people that have bought the pud. Not the GP one, not the. I don't even know what GP stands for. I think it was Genital Profile. GP stood for. Anyway, you're not the one that looks. I don't know, everyone says it looks circumcised, but anyway, I have a, a cap that goes over the, the, the outside of the, the normal one that makes it look like the gp. It's also
a, a gripper at the same time. I started out beginning of this year with a provisional patent for what I call the. The suspensory ligament. I can't remember call it now. It's a silicon ring that fit around the base. It had a strap on it that you strap around your waist and it would hold the base of your penis up. So when you put £15 on the end of your foreskin, it would help the suspensory ligament from being irritated. Oh, okay. I see. It holds the base of
the penis in place. So the weight is only on the exterior skin. Yep. Where I was going with that story was sometimes you build stuff and it sounds good at the time and you build it and then it's like, oh my goodness, is this a hard to replicate every time thing? I think I probably sold about four or five of them. Well, is this. We're talking about you making all these devices and everything. How would you describe your creative space, your workshop? And how has it changed over time? It has
evolved from just my lathe and mill. I brought my 3D printer out here back in, I think 20, 18, 19. I bought a CNC router. 23 years I was in the semiconductor industry. It also came with a pretty good paycheck. So a lot of the stuff that I have in here, you know, I had disposable income, but now it's pretty much. I decided to start getting Social Security this year. So I can only have so much net income before they
start taxing my Social Security. Oh, okay. See, as I'm in an llc, the money that I make from my, as my wife called it, hobby job goes against my income. I managed to gather some pretty cool stuff this year because I have to keep my net down. Since I started in 2017, I am on order 1018. Very cool. What surprised you the most about the demographics of the people that buy your devices? I can't intelligently talk about the age demographic. I think most of them are probably between 30 and 50.
The interactions I've had with them. And then there's a whole group of gentlemen that are in their golden years have been, you know, the retirement age where they, I guess, have longed for what they want to do but never had the chance. I got you. There seems to be a lot of people on the east coast. And smattering the people on the west coast and hardly anybody in the middle. I have quite a few people in Australia, believe it or not. I believe it. And a couple in Korea, South Korea,
a couple in the Philippines. All over Europe, Germany, France, Spain, you. Get people from all over the world. Do you have to worry about tariffs from other countries? With them importing stuff from you. They. Have to deal with their own. I think it's called value added tax in most of Europe. I don't know,
I don't think it's quite that much. And some of them that I sent to the Middle east, they have a place in New York City where they send stuff to and those people gather all up and put it on big street shipping container and ship it over to them without having to deal with all the customs and stuff. Oh, they just get it all at once. That's. That's an interesting strategy. Foreign. This podcast is hosted by Dick Guyver, edited by Open Roads
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