I love the fact that I can have control over something that I didn't in the first place. Right. So I didn't have control over the decision to have me circumcised, but I now have the control to change it as much as possible. And that is really empowering to me. I really am so happy. I researched it way back when because I couldn't imagine not having my forska now.
The Intact Again podcast is an oral history project where we share stories from those who have been circumcised and are working to restore what was taken from us. Our hope is to inspire each other with our collective stories of loss and recovery. Our next guest is Scott, who discovered circumcision and foreskin restoration as a child and started restoring immediately. He's used various techniques, including homemade devices, and later even got a P.O. box to secretly
get devices without his parents knowing. And they still don't know. He believes that restoring is the best thing someone can do for themselves, and it really helps that his wife is supportive and encourages his foreskin restoration journey. So let's take a listen to Scott's restory. What CI level are you now? I think I'm around a six. I'd say maybe headed into seven. Lately a
lot of people stop at. Six, which, you know, I don't really understand that because it's like you're just starting to get the real benefits of being fully covered. Most of your glands is covered. You're really starting to, in my opinion, look like you're intact at the same time. It's. It's a long process. So I get that. How long have you been doing this? I found out about it around when I was 16. I'm 34 now and I kind of played around with it for a while. I wasn't really sure
how to start. I was pretty young, so I didn't have access to a computer to research those things per se, all the time. And I didn't really have access to buying anything because I didn't want to buy something and get it like sent to my parents house in the mail. Like, how am I going to explain this random package from a undisclosed place to my parents? So yes, I found out about when I was 16 and I started with X taping. I just used like athletic tape. I played sports so I had a lot of
access to like half used rolls of athletic tape. So you had cover? Yeah, yeah. So like nobody was going to ask about that because I just be like, oh, I just used it for taping. Up my finger it's always good to have a. An alternative explanation. Yeah, exactly. So I started doing that and then I, I discovered the pill tube method. So I started adapting sort of those principles. I actually used to use the tape and I taped up soda bottle caps and I would put them inside
as far as it would go. Inside of the foreskin I had left. And I would just tape my foreskin onto the bottle cap. Oh, a plastic bottle cap from like a 2 liter. Like a plastic cap. Did you say you did the pill bottle? Yeah. So I had, I kind of made my own adaptation of that. So after I did the soda bottle caps for a while, I decided I wanted something that I could pee through because I wanted to wear it like out and not just at home.
So I ended up making my own device out of a piece of PVC pipe that was at like a 45 degree angle. Obviously it was a taped device. And then I. I drilled two holes in the end of it and hung weights off the end of the piece of PVC pipe. Oh, very cool. What did you use for weight? So I started with fishing weights and then realized that probably wasn't the best idea because it's lead.
At least cover it with something. So I did, I did cover it with duct tape so it wasn't actually touching my skin or like when it was hanging. But you have to be worried. Yeah. So after I realized that was probably a really dangerous thing to do, I moved to like metal washers and I taped them together so they wouldn't like clank around. And I believe it or not, I went from probably a ci2 all the way to a ci4 with that method. Just with the PVC pipe washer combination.
Yep. I really didn't do much manual tugging most of the time for up to that point. I really just wore that as much as possible. What did you start at? What was your starting CI level? I was definitely a zero, maybe a one. I had little to no loose skin at all on my shaft. I wouldn't say erections were like tight or anything, but I really didn't have any loose skin to start with. I was fortunate enough to not have any skin bridges or
any real problems with it. I really just didn't like the way it looked and I really didn't like the friction that I was experiencing when it was my glands was rubbing on the inside of my underwear and all that stuff. I think it started off with the aesthetics. I had the opportunity, I guess. Yeah, I guess. Opportunity to see someone who was intact. And I thought there Was something wrong with them and not me, which is pretty crazy. Now I guess I'll tell the story.
So when I was probably second grade, I'd say I had a few friends and we were using the urinals together, and I just happened to look over at one of my friends, who, his family was from China, because I looked over and I just had a glance of his penis. And to me at the time, I mean, I didn't. I hadn't even had the sex talks yet. And I just looked over and I was like, wow, like, what is wrong with this guy's penis? Like, it looks so weird.
Like, it looks so different than mine. It looks like. It's like. I honestly thought he had, like, gotten an injury or something because it looks so different than mine. And it was just kind of a awakening moment. Like, what is going on? But I ended up asking another one of my friends, like, what his looked like, and he, like, freaked out, was like, oh, you're a weirdo. I'm telling my parents. And so kind of danger.
So it ended up, like, being a thing, like, the whole time. Like, I ended up moving, so I didn't go to that school for my entire, like, middle school career. But it ended up being like a thing. Like, you would always be like, oh, I'm gonna tell your parents. I'm gonna tell my parents type of thing. So I guess that's the point when I kind of realized there were other people that had different looking penises than mine. When did you realize what had happened
to you? I think it was after that. Like, my mom gave me the sex talk and she kind of did one of the numbers of. Here's this book. You should read this. This is the birds and the bees talk. And. And I ended up realizing it. Then there was a section about circumcision and, like, the differences between circumcised and uncircumcised penises. And when I read the book, I was. It. It all came to me then I was like, oh, so that's what's going on
here? And I think I was like 12. I was kind of confused at first because, like I said, I thought there was something wrong with that person and not me. So I was like, okay. So I was way off base. I'm the one that was altered. I'm the one that had something done to me and not him. So that sparked some curiosity. And like I said, I didn't really have much access to a computer, so I couldn't really do a whole lot of research. About it. So I kind of just didn't think too much of it after
that. Like, just having the realization that I was the one that had something done to me. But then when I was about 15, I got a computer for Christmas of my own. And that's when I started looking up, you know, uncircumcised penises. Because I was just so interested in, like, what other people's looked like compared to mine. Because I hadn't, you know, I hadn't seen very many intact men up to that point because it's very uncommon here, as you know.
Yes, unfortunately. Yeah. So that was kind of when I stumbled upon restoring. I started seeing pictures of intact men. I had an opportunity to see some, like, in a locker room setting who were, like, much older. Like a man that was in his 70s, he had a really long foreskin. And I was just amazed that it was even possible for it to be that long. Lucky. I kind of felt bad because I was just, like, staring at this man's penis because I was just so, like, enamored with him.
You know, it was just hanging out in front of everybody, and it was kind of like in a sports locker room situation. So, like, the other guys were like, you know, making jokes about it under their breath and stuff, and I was just like, kind of like not even paying attention because I was so like, oh, my God, that is insane. So I think if you want to, like, if you were to ask when I decided I wanted my foreskin back, I'd say it was right
then and there. How old were you when this happened, would you say? I think I was like, had just turned 16, like, around 16. So you decided to restore. How did you first discover that it was a thing. You just. You had the Internet. Was there any particular sites or. You know, right after that, I went home and typed in, like, how do I get my foreskin back? So obviously, like, the norm page popped up and I read through that, which is a wonderful wealth of information just on
that website. And I was reading through, like, the different devices and all the manual techniques and, you know, just the fact that you could actually do this. And there was an actual group of men who were actively trying to reverse what had been done to them was just. It was all just a whole new world I didn't know anything about. I'm so tempted to have it play the Disney's A Whole New World whenever. I mean, that's what it is. You. If you don't know about it, it's. It was such a secretive
thing. Back then, you know, I mean, it was still kind of new. Like, it's way more mainstream now than it ever. And it'll get even more mainstream, which is amazing. I think it's awesome. And I. That's why one. One reason why I think your podcast is so wonderful, because there's people like, you know, who were my age back then who could just stumble upon your podcast. And just from the information that you guys talk about, they could start just from that, you know,
your decision, was. It a deliberate decision or was it immediate? Oh, I gotta get that. It was pretty immediate. I was like, yep, I. That's the way it should have looked or could have looked. And I was just so blown away. Like, I think natural foreskins are beautiful. And I just automatically. Right then I was like, yep, I want my penis to look like that. Couldn't agree more. On a magic car. A whole new world. When it comes to your family, what were their attitudes
about circumcision? Were you a routine infant circumcision or. I was, yeah. It was just my mom, during the talk that we. The brief talks we had about sex, she just said that it was something that they just did and it was to just look like my father because that's what his parents had elected to have done to him. My parents are really reserved about sex and stuff like that, and so we really didn't have very many conversations about sex in general past. My mom just giving me that book to read.
That's unfortunately a very common thing. It's one of the least satisfying answers possible. Yeah, I hear some people say that, you know, their parents are really open about, like, talking to them about, you know, the reasons and things that led up to why they had them circumcised. But I really got no. No explanation other than that, unfortunately. And I really didn't have that close of relationship with my father, so I sure I surely didn't feel comfortable asking him anything about my penis.
So. Would you mind being able to go through what techniques you've used over time and how they've changed? Oh. So, like I said, I started probably, I'd say full time when I was 17. So I started with X taping and then moved to my homemade device. I used that probably up until I was almost 19, and then I was able to. I actually, I decided that I wanted a DTR. So I had been kind of. When I turned 18, I joined the original restoring foreskin site. So there was one restoring foreskin.org that was
before the one that it is Today. So I joined the original one. I did not realize that. Yeah. So some people who have been around a while there was. I don't remember why it changed hands, but it was. It did. So I joined that originally when I turned 18 and I started reading about people using the DTR and I really wanted one cause I didn't have any commercial devices up to that point. So again, the problem came in that I can't get a restoring device sent to my parents house. So I decided
that I was 18 so I can rent a P.O. box. Went down to the post office and I rented a P.O. box and I was able to buy a DTR and have it sent there without my parents knowing about it. Had you had that plan for a while? Was it kind of, oh, as soon as I turn 18, I gotta open this P.O. box and get my DTR? Or it kind of was, yeah. Once I realized that there were things that you could buy and they were. They looked like they were a lot more comfortable than what I was using, I really wanted to do
it. I just had to wait until I was old enough to get one. So I ended up doing that. I used that for quite a while. I ended up buying a. I don't know if you remember this, but it was back before Chuck was making the deep pushers for the DTR. You had to buy one through the Cat 2 company. Huh? I don't remember that. Yep. So you had to buy it from. They actually made one that was adapted to the dtr. It was like a blue, like swirly white color. You had to.
You had to buy it from them instead of the DTR site. Yeah, I'm dating myself here. When. What year would you say you started? Oh man, let's see. 2007, 2006. You should be proud of that. Well, not so much. I should. I should be tripping over my foreskin at this point. But yeah, so I ended up getting the D pusher that worked pretty well for a while. And then I decided I wanted to go back to hanging weight because that was some of the best progress
I've made was from hanging weight. And I. I kind of just took a moderate tension approach to it because I thought it made more sense to keep the skin on her tension for longer and in the position I wanted it to be. Then just, you know, because some people were saying, oh, I get a lot of progress from an hour at high tension. And then they would just take a break and just do that in cycles. And my skin tends to get irritated really easily. And I never really did very well with high tension for
short periods of time. I had made friends with someone on the restoring site and he sent me. Now I was in college at this point, so I was about 2010. He sent me a set of four balls, which, again, dating myself. They don't even make those anymore. Oh, I remember that. That was on an episode of Penn and Teller. Yes. So he let me borrow those for a few months, which was awesome. I had those sent to my college dorm, and thank God my roommate was not very inquisitive, so it was easy to have
him figure out what was going on. I used office for a few months. I had problems with those slipping off. That's before the grippers were really, you know, the. The baby bottle grippers were, should I say, well engineered as they are now. So I had problems with those slipping off. So I didn't use those for very long. And what CI level would you say you were at that time? I was over the hump at that point, so I'd say I was probably closer to a 5 when I started
doing that. That's pretty dang good progress. Before that point. I did very well hanging weight. I literally could put the weight. My. The one that I made, the weighted device I made, I. I really could put that on and wear it five or six hours straight without having to take it off. That was tape as the gripper and the PVC pipe. Yep. Tape is amazing. So I had graduated from using the athletic tape to the 3M micropore tape. And that stuff is awesome.
Do they still make it? Oh, yeah. I still use it now. Nice. Yeah, it's really easy to take off. It doesn't like, hurt your. Your skin when you pull it off. It's actually a really good tape. I might have to try that. I have to soak mine for a while to get it off. It's like the label for a bottle. Have to get it off. Yeah. You should try this. It's it. You can pull it right off. If you do it slow, it really does not irritate your skin at all. Yeah, you can buy it right
at Walmart. It's readily available. I use it with my pud now. You have a pud? I do. I do. So. But we can get there, so. So I used the four balls for a while. I sent them back to my friend because he ended up wanting them back. And then I went to actually got a TLC Tugger, original TLC Tugger. I had problems keeping that one on, so I think I had measured wrong for that. I think the cone was too small for my glands and it just never really felt right. It always pulled off.
I was never a huge fan of the cone that held it on. It always. My skin always slipped out from underneath it. Yeah, I've heard that from a lot of people with, with the cone. The dome seems to distribute the pressure a little bit more evenly and sticks a better. Yeah, like I have a helmet shaped gland. So it just never really fit right for me. Hey folks, I hope you're enjoying this episode of the Intact Again podcast. There's more to this story, but we're saving some of the good
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What would you say were the challenges you've had reaching the CI level? You are now both physical and emotional? Um, so I can start with the physical. Um, like I said, my, my, my skin tends to get irritated really easily. Some days are better than others and I think that could probably be said for everyone. But some days my skin just won't tolerate long hours of tension. I also never really moisturized before, so I started moisturizing with some better,
you know, lotion. I use like usurin, like the one that's meant to heal like cracked, irritated skin. And if I put it on at night and wake up in the morning, my skin's usually not irritated anymore. So that's helped me a lot. And then I would say, believe it or not, I have most of my frenulum left, so it's going to help me at the end, but it's kind of hindering things right now. I think it's, it's hard to stretch that.
That's the problem I have now. Like the underside is a little bit shorter than the top side of my foreskin. So I've been trying to focus more tension on the underside to try to get things to just roll completely over the, the end of my glands. So I think that has been a roadblock for me. Do you use any techniques to try to specifically target there, that area without targeting the other areas? I've changed the way I put devices on so Before, I would pull skin on with my fingers and then tape it.
And now I push the device in. Like, I touch it to my glands and push it in, and then I attach it with whatever skin rolls onto the device itself. It's kind of the technique that that Chuck on the DTR site says to do when you're trying to target outer skin. Because I'm trying to target outer skin right now. Most of my restoration, I never realized it, but I focused on inner skin. And, like, my glands is almost fully covered by inner
skin, which is crazy, but that's perfect. I'm actually in the same situation. It's kind of funny now I'm trying to focus on outer skin. And it's weird because a lot of people say it's the opposite for them. So I'm doing that. And I'm also. I don't know what manual method it is, but I grab the bottom side of my foreskin and right where the scar line is, and I push my sc. Scrotum back as I pull to try to, like, stretch that area between where the foreskin meets the scrotum.
Because I. I don't want to have a big turkey neck because I'm kind of having that issue a little bit now, so. I gotcha. The dreaded turkey neck. It comes up in a lot of. Interviews, and it's weird because people have different views on that. Like some people say, don't worry about it. Just stretch and it'll go away. And I personally don't think that's been the case for me. Um, I've been trying to focus on it lately to combat it because I
never paid attention to it, and now it's kind of a thing. So emotionally, I kind of get discouraged with it. It takes a really long time, as everybody says, and different people's bodies respond differently. You see some guys that go from a CI1 to a CI7 in two years, and they're happy with it and they're done. And it hasn't been the case for me. I mean, I've run into things in my life that caused me to take breaks. And, you know, I think I took like a
two break once. And if you added up all the breaks that I've taken, you know, a month here, a month there, it's probably added up to, you know, three or four years maybe. So I think just staying motivated, you know, that can be emotional thing because you're really putting all this effort into doing this for yourself, and you really want it.
And it's not like you Go to the gym, and in a month, if you put in a lot of work, you see results, you know, I lost 10 pounds or I put on some muscle or something. It's. It's such small gain sometimes that it's just really disheartening. And I think that's where the, you know, the restoring site came in for me. Like, you could go in the chat room and talk to guys about it, and they were really supportive. And you would just leave there with a sense of like, oh, all right. Like, everybody's going
through the same thing, and it's just part of the process. And I just gotta say the course. Something I think is good to keep in mind is that you should never feel bad about not correcting the mistake that somebody else made faster. Right. And I think that's part of it too. Like, I struggle with that. And I think a lot of people could probably sympathize with that as, like, I didn't have a say in it and I
didn't want this for myself. And somebody did made a choice for me that thankfully it's reversible to a point, but I had no control over it. And I think a lot of people don't really understand why men are so upset about that. And I think it's one of the biggest things emotionally that I struggled with when I started. The lack of empathy and the dismissiveness is such a hard thing to deal with. Right. And it's just people think, oh, he's a
man. He just deals with it. Or, you know, he's not emotional about things. And, you know, that's one of the most intimate parts of your. Anybody's body. And I think that people overlook that fact. We have more emotions besides angry and hungry. Things are moving in the right direction. Like, you know, men are being more outspoken about their emotions in general. And I think it's a good thing. But, you know, and that's why
I think, you know, the intactivist movement's a really important thing. You know, I've been thinking I want to get involved in that at some point somehow. And like I said, I think what you guys are doing is great, and I was happy to support that. Yeah. I just think things are moving in the right direction, thankfully. And with circumcision rates going down, which is awesome too. Not fast enough, but I am glad they're going down. It's at least trending in the right direction. Yeah.
How has this made you change how you feel about your body? I'm a little more comfortable with it. I Like I said, we'll go back to when I saw that intact man. I. This is, like, hard to say, but I instantly thought my penis was ugly when I saw his. And that's. That's a really hard realization to have, especially at such a young age when you're trying to, you know, still find a mate.
And near the tail end of puberty, kind of, because I started early, and it was just like, I had some almost instant body image issues when it came to my penis. After I realized that being able to regain something that resembles a natural foreskin has been really. It boosts my confidence. Like, I feel better. Like, I. I'm. I like how my penis looks now. Like, it's not fully where I want it to be, but I know it will be someday if I still put in the work that I have been doing, so I feel better
about it. How has foreskin restoration affected your acceptance of your sexuality? So after I saw that man's penis, I realized I thought they were attractive. And I kind of just thought that. I'm just curious. It's just a thing. Like, I haven't really seen other men like that. And then for a while, I thought. Thought my fascination with other men's penises was just the fact that I wanted to restore and, like,
get something back that I didn't have. And then after a while, I started realizing that it was kind of more than that, and I really was uncomfortable with it. Like I said, I grew up in a household where sex was, like, a subject nobody talked about, you know? My parents have made a few comments about how they think that being anything but conservative and straight is, like, being kind of gross or like, it's unacceptable in their opinion.
And it just made me really insecure about feelings that I was having at the time. I just feel like I couldn't. I wasn't allowed to, like, be who I am and like, like what I like and not, like, what I don't like. So it kind of struggled those emotions for a long time. And then I met my wife, and she started showing me that it's okay to be yourself. And it wasn't necessarily attached to those things, but it was like other parts of my life. And then I started to become more comfortable with it after
a while. And I don't know if that's just because I aged or it was because a combination of not worrying so much about, like, someone judging me for something I liked. I think restoring health because I became okay with seeing other men, and it wasn't, like, a thing you know, it wasn't, oh, I look at penises all day. Like, you're weird. You know, it just kind of became a. Like, I'm just trying to get motivated to restore.
And then, you know, at the same time, like, yeah, I don't mind seeing another man's penis as well. So it was kind of a dual thing. And then I told my wife when I met her right away that I was restoring and all this, and thankfully, she's been supportive through the whole thing. And she knows I'm bisexual. I didn't actually, like, come out and tell her until, like, literally last year.
And I've been with her for 14 years. You'll laugh. I told her, and she said, I know, and I've known for 14 years. So I thought I was keeping. There was going to be this huge reveal and this big, like, glowing moment, and I wasn't fooling her the entire time. Being bi is very common in the restoring community. I think it's more common just in general than people realize. And I think a lot of men aren't comfortable with it. You know, just talking about men here, I think you're just not comfortable
with it. So I think it's more common than people realize. And I always thought, like, if I told someone about it, I'm going to be looked at as different or people are going to think I'm less. Whatever masculine or less tough or whatever. And then once I realized that I really didn't care about any of that stuff and I told my wife, it was just such a. It was such a relief and such a freeing feeling. I mean, I haven't told anybody else, and I probably won't because I don't
think it's anybody else's business. Me and my wife are monogamous, so it's not a big part of my life. I just feel better that she knows everything about me. You know, she's admitted to me that when we first met, she thought. She thought I was just, like, completely obsessed with penises. And I was just weird because I was hanging things off of mine, and it's all I, like, thought about was my penis. And I think probably a lot of restorers could probably, you know, say the same thing.
It's like you almost have to be to get results. You have to do it all the time, and you have to be thinking about it where I found you have to be. I constantly have a routine and constantly be doing it. How has sex changed for you since restoring? And I count both with and without a partner. I Started so young. I hadn't had sex when I started, so I really didn't know if I was missing it or anything because I hadn't had sex. I can't really compare it all that much to then. It's a lot
more pleasurable to masturbate now. It's more comfortable. It's like a cushion. It's not. I'm not using my hand. Like, you know, the foreskin is really soft, and it's just, you know, the glide is great. Like, I'm sure, you know, it's just the way it's supposed to work, so why wouldn't it be better? You know, that makes total sense. So I think it's better. I don't have to use lube at all, which is
awesome. I don't use soap to clean under my foreskin, so my glands is really, like, moist and, like, squishy, I guess you could say, all the time. So I think I. I have a lot more feeling. And like, I've heard other people say in your podcast, like, edging is a thing now. So, like, I couldn't really do that before. It was either just, you're either gonna ejaculate or not. You know, there was no,
like, oh, I'm just gonna wait. When you're talking about sex, it's been more challenging, to be honest, because, like, I have a lot more feeling in the glands now, and it's really sensitive. So I kind of, like, developed a short trigger, so to speak. Sent restoring. You know, I've gotten better now. Once I got over the hump and stuff, it was hard to have some control because I just had these intense feelings in my glance that was hard. To last as she noticed
any changes. She hasn't really reported it. No. You know, she'll make comments sometimes, like, when she's playing with it, just say, like, oh, it seems like you have some more skin or something. You know, just a little, like, compliment here and there, which is nice, but hasn't reported anything about, like, intercourse, but I think it feels different. The. The smallest
compliments can go such a long way. Yeah. And I mean, she cared about me so much, like, two or three years into dating, she actually, like, I had been saying I wanted a new rod for the dtr, and she actually went and bought it for me. Oh, nice. As, like, a gift. Yeah, it was great. Like, she's great. She's really supportive. Has there been anybody else that knows about your restoration? Kind of friends or family? And how did they respond to it? I told a friend of mine once,
a long time ago. And I don't. I don't even remember how it came up, but I was like, yeah, you know, I'm doing this thing called foreskin restoration, and I think it's really beneficial. And, you know, if you ever have any, like, issues or want, you know, end up wanting back what was taken from you, like, I'm doing this, and this is what it is. And he was just like, oh, yeah, cool, man. Thanks. And that was the last I ever heard of it. And I really haven't told anybody
else. I'm kind of. I don't know. I haven't gotten past the point of being private about it. I'd like to tell people. Like, I would love to spread the word about it to people I know. I just haven't found the confidence to do that yet. Are you a parent yourself? Not yet. We're still. We're planning, but we haven't gone down that road yet. But we both agree that if we do have a son, he'll stay intact because we both have the same feelings about it. Like, it's just. Circumcision is barbaric,
and it's archaic, and it's just. It's horrible. I can't believe that doctors do that to children. It's just terrible. Hippocratic oath. What's that? Right. It's just so opposite of what that is. If you don't mind me asking, what do you do for a living? I am a truck driver. Interesting. I've. I've wanted to ask a truck driver, is it a disadvantage or an advantage to be able to be sitting for such a long time when it comes to restoration?
So I do a local. I'm a local truck driver, so I'm not over the road. So I've had jobs where it's been beneficial. So, like, I kind of worked out in the sticks. I could pull over the side of the road if I had to pull a. Pull it off, pull the stretcher off if it was hurting really bad. The problem is, is that when the cameras are inside the cab and they're watching you all the time, it's not something you really want to do in front of a camera. I forgot about
that. Things have changed quite a bit when it comes to that. Yeah. So it used to be great. Like, before the cameras came around, you could pull it off whenever you wanted, and it was fine. I kind of have a job now where I do stops at businesses. So unless I find a bathroom, there's not a really good way to Take it on a raw. Take the device on a raw. So it kind of makes it tough in that respect. But I have had jobs where it's very beneficial.
I didn't worry about, like doing a whole lot of physical labor so I could wear a stretcher for a long time. And that's, you know, kind of when I got into using the dtrs as it in the tugging mode, which was, you know, I've read that's good for outer skin growth. Exactly what are your passions outside of work? Lately, my wife and I have been getting more involved in trying to be more eco friendly. We've been trying to be less plastic, use renewable resources,
just trying to be environmentally conscious. So that's kind of been. And becoming something her and I are pretty passionate about. And you started doing that with your first device that you used. It's reduce, reuse and recycle. And you were doing reuse. That's it. Repurposing. I'm just a man, Captain Planet. So that's been a passion of ours lately. So we live in Florida, so we love just being outside in nature. We've got a couple dogs that are fur
babies, as we call them. And, you know, we just love animals and stuff. So we try to, you know, we want to get involved in like conservation and things like that. I just like being outside. I like to tinker. I like to fix things and stuff. So I kind of just have like varied hobbies. Yeah. Every restorer too? Well, not every restore, but a lot of restorers like to tinker. That is a very common thing. I think it comes with the territory. Right. Like, how can I make this?
How can I tweak this so it works for me? Well, I'll just sand a little here or, you know, cut a little off there. And I'm going to modify this thing so it'll do this too. So it's kind of a like your name. You're. It's a MacGyver thing. Exactly. What would you say is your end goal when it comes to restoration? I guess, like everybody's. I. I'm not so concerned about the amount of skin I have erect. I want to have a long overhang when I'm soft. I don't know.
It's safe to say that I spend more time soft than I do erect. So I'm more concerned about having my glance covered and the way that it looks when I'm soft. You know, I'd like to be ci10. Ah, the glorious ci10. I don't know if I'll ever achieve it. But I've seen it achieved, so it must be a thing. It is. I've. I've interviewed multiple people that have gotten the CI10, so I can tell you at least secondhand that it is a thing. I'm excited for it. I mean, I think overhang looks really nice and
I would love to look like that. So that's my goal. What do you like most about the process of restoring or just restoring in general? I love the fact that I can have control over something that I didn't in the first place. Right. So I didn't have control over the decision to have me circumcised, but I now have the control to change it as much as possible. And that is really empowering to me.
I really am so happy. I researched it way back when because I couldn't imagine not having my foreskin now. You started really early. You started at the age that most people say that they wish they started. Yeah. And I wish I stayed motivated because I would be. I would have been done three times over by now if I did. Because that's the. I'm not. I'm not laughing at you. I'm just. I'm laughing because there's two complaints that most people have. It's. I didn't start earlier and that I. I wasn't
contiguous with my restoring. Yep. And I think that the motivation and the consistency is the biggest two factors of it. Exactly. Well, what do you like least about restoring? Ah, I've heard people say this too. And it's just that it takes so damn long and the gains are so. Can be so minimal sometimes that you get discouraged because you just don't see results. It can be really, really disheartening. That it can. And the fact that I have
to do it at all. Classic responses. And they're classic for a reason. I think everybody shares them. Looking back, what would you have done differently? I would say that I. I think I should have focused more on outer skin earlier in the process. Like, I think I would have been more covered by now. I was so worried about having hair creep. I really just wanted to stretch the inner skin as much as possible and just stayed away from the outer skin. And I didn't realize that I'm going
to need this to have the overhang that I want. So I just didn't do anything with outer skin for a really long time. And I wish that I had evenly stretched for longer. That is a common fear that a lot of people have. And it's not unfounded. But yeah, a lot of people don't realize that there's three different types of skin. There's like the shaft skin, the outer skin and the inner skin. I think people forget that outer skin isn't the same as shaft skin.
Yeah, it's weird and it. Some people can have so little of the outer skin that you just think the shaft skin and outer skin is the same skin and it's not. And I fell into that myself. And now I have such a small part of the outer skin that I'm trying to stretch on the underside that it's, it's almost hard to, to target it with a device because I, it's hard to put it on and target that skin now.
So I almost have to do manual. Yeah, I found that with the putt I can kind of put the tape on where I want it and then put it against my glands and then push it in and then tape the underside first. So it's like that part of the skin I want to stretch is on there first. It's hard to see on the underside. You can't really see it. So. Yeah, you know, I'm just thinking of this now. Do you think a tiny mirror would help with. Not a tiny mirror but like
a portable mirror would help. You probably would. I never thought about that, to be honest with you. That's a good idea. I was thinking you could stand, depending on how high your bed is, you could put the mirror on the bed and then have kind of a, like a look around to see where it's going. Yeah, that's actually a really good idea. I really thought about that. I might actually buy a mirror after. After today. So. Yeah, so I, I got the pud probably like
a month and a half ago. I just, I wanted to get back into hanging weight. I did so well with it and I know it's like they're discontinuing them and I wanted to get one before they're all. So I went on their website and bought one. I love it. It's so comfortable. The weight of it just hanging feels like it's comfortable. It feels kind of nice, like I like it. How is resentment and forgiveness factored into restoring journey? Well, I think it's kind of two pronged like
I said. Well, I didn't really tell, ever tell them that I was upset about the decision they made for me. They just kind of just did it because they didn't. I don't, I don't think they knew that it would affect me emotionally. I think I don't really hold any resentment against them for that. I just think they were like many other parents and they were just ignorant to
the, you know, decision they were making. But I'm upset that it was made obviously and I just was upset with them for not being accepting I guess or like open minded people because I just didn't feel like I could just be who I was and they would not judge me for it with restoring or my sexuality. So I guess that's where the resentment came from. And granted I never really gave them an opportunity to judge me for it because
I never told them about any of it. But just from the comments they've made my whole life I just never thought it would go very well if I did. So I think that's the only resentment I really carry with it. I know some men are really mad about it and they go after their parents and they want to sue the doctor and stuff and I understand those feelings but I just don't think any of that anger is worth holding on to. They just
think it hurts you more than it benefits you. You can understand those feelings without them being directly your own. Absolutely. And I felt them at one point myself like frustrated and upset about it. But I just never thought actually doing something about it would change, you know, it's not going to make my foreskin just magically reappear. I never thought, you know, going after someone or telling someone would make me feel better because it's this deed still done. So that's just how
I feel about it. So you don't think you would ever tell your parents? I don't think there's any benefit to. Like I said, I don't have any relationship with my father at all. Now My mother's pretty conservative and not open minded so I don't think she would take it very well. I don't think there's any benefit there. That is a logical assessment. The person that means most to me is, you know, when it comes to things like that is my wife. And she, she knows and that's pretty much all that matters
to me at this point. Yeah, and I just, like I said I, I think that spreading the world's word is great and I think the work you guys are doing is great. I'm just, I don't know if I'm brave enough to put my face and voice to something yet. I mean I, I would like to find a way in which I could help some then tact of this movement locally someday. I just don't think I have the courage to yet. How has your experience with the medical system affected your faith in it?
I've had good doctors and I had bad doctors. Like with anybody else, I think that it causes anyone that's been circumcised and that it's not a medically necessary thing to second guess anything a doctor says. I think it just kind of comes with it. So I wouldn't say that I wholeheartedly believe every single thing a doctor says to me, but I don't think that modern medicine is necessarily something you can't trust either. I just naturally question things now. A healthy amount of skepticism without
completely dismissing the field. I'd say. So yeah, absolutely. What is next for your restoring journey? I set a goal for myself a couple months ago to try to get to CIA by the end of the year. So I'm really going to have to buckle down. I try to set mall goals to reach because I think like many have said, restoring is a marathon, not a race.
Right. It's like a age old saying and it's true. So I'm trying to just set milestones for myself to reach by a certain time because I think myself setting a timeframe helps me stay more consistent. So I'm trying that as a new plan of attack, so to say. And like I said, my, my end goal is CI10, so I really need to focus on outer skin and be more consistent. What advice would you have for others that are considering restoration or are struggling to stay motivated for those
who are. Considering to do it? I would say it's one of the best things I've done for myself personally ever in my life. And if something that you're contemplating doing and you think it, you know, it might not be beneficial, it is. And I highly recommend just going full throttle into it. Struggling to stay motivated. Talk to other people who are restorers. Share your struggles, share your gains, share your emotions. It helps to see other people succeeding.
It helps to talk to other people who are struggling. It helps to get support. And I've also found a lot of motivation with listening to your podcast as well. Not to, you know, pump up your ego, but it's, it's true. We appreciate that Open Roads does an amazing job editing that sucker. He does. It's, it's very, very well done. The last question I can think of is what would you want a device to either be like or be able to do that you haven't seen a
device do yet? So. Okay, so you know how guys have to wear like some kind of ring or something to keep their scrotum back so you don't get turkey neck. Maybe something that incorporates all that into one so it's not a separate, somehow one apparatus that you can put on. That's all one thing. I don't know. Yeah, I mean, I don't know if that's possible, but I think it would be beneficial. Like, I would try it for sure.
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