This cocktail hour is sponsored by Dude Wipes. We wish. Well, we're here again with the cocktail hour for the Intact Again podcast. I'm Open Roads. I'm Turkish Restorer. I'm Dick Iver and we're here to talk about hygiene. Okay, so that's our hint, that's our intro. But before we get into the to the dirty details, pun intended. What are you drinking? Oh, well, I'm drinking water, but I forgot to mix it. H2O. He's killing me. He's got the hydrogen. Don't have. Wait, wait, it's one's the hydrogen.
Yes. And now my voice should get back to normal after a bit. Okay, well, Turkish grocery store, what are you drinking? I am having Irish stout and I'm. Having a Blue Moon Belgian fight. They were on sale. Back to my really cheesy pun. Did you see what I did there? Cheesy. Oh, my God. Anyway, we're here to talk about hygiene and specifically how it is related to restoration. So, Dick Iver, what, what do you think the definition of hygiene is in this context? I think there's two aspects
to hygiene. Well, really three aspects. But one of the big things is just the sense of cleanliness. But there's also adherence. And what I mean by that is if you're not clean, that device is gonna slip right off. Yep, yep. Oily skin does happen. And that was one of the very first lessons that I learned was that if I was hard time getting my DTR to stay on, all I had to do was go get some dawn dish soap and, you know, scrub it up under the sink,
put it right back on. And I'd be dang that sucker grip like crazy. But sometimes when it comes to grippers, gripping, there's the cleanliness, but there's also if a gripper's too old, sometimes it doesn't matter how much you clean that sucker, it is going to slip off. I learned that the hard way. Ah. This used to slip, right? And then like, it's like I'm looking through frosted glass. This thing is. This thing might as well be a slip and slide
for my dad. Slip and slide. It's a lot of fun to play. When the spray goes all the way. So I guess really in terms of hygiene, we're talking about the device itself and keeping it clean. We're probably going to have to talk about pubic hair because that can make a big difference on how you put the device on. Right? And after you get some coverage, we're going to talk about smegma. Because that will come back. You will start having that. And then I guess. I guess this is part of hygiene.
The, you know, the whole peeing and going to the bathroom stuff. You know, fluids. Fluids do seep, so. But Turkish restore. What do you. What do you think we're missing here? Well, I think you've pretty much covered. And as we go, I believe, you know, these conversations are generally very organic. So as we go, probably something will come up. I love PV care, which wasn't the question. Yeah, it is like shaft skin is a pain in the ass.
Like, not. Not the skin, obviously, but the hair on the shaft skin for everyone. So that's one of the first things that you take care of if you have not been taken care of already. Because there is like, quite some people who do not even trim their pubic hair. So they just never develop habits or they never felt the need for that, or they use their body as it is. Like, the nudist community is a big fan of, like, not, you know, grooming their pubic hair, which is their choice.
However, with the devices, it can be complicated situation. I did, I have seen restorers with a big bush, though. So I do not shave everything personally, but I certainly do trim because the hair is pulled a lot with the devices that I am using, if there is any. And it can make it harder to have the device stay on. That's the main reason I do it. But then you fall into the trouble of stubble because if you trim it too much, you can have that. That stubble
that can scratch your device, which can be a problem. I mean, manscaping is something that I've been doing for, like, pretty much my whole life. I just take that as. As a given that in the same way I get a haircut every three to four weeks, I just trim the rest of it also. But I. I think I put a number three guard on the razor and I just, you know, hit it with the three. So I'm not hairless. I, you know, I don't want to be hairless, but I also don't want to be Osama bin Laden down
there. You know, I don't want to. I want people to actually be able to see my penis instead of it being, you know, hidden in the jungle. And that solves the. The stubble problem too. Using the guard. Yeah. You know, with the number three or four guard, it's. It's just about right. And even if some hair does get under the retainer of my device, it's really not that big a deal. So I know, like everybody's hairiness level differs. You know, there are some men who are just monkeys from, you know,
the neck down. And I had Robin Williams of the group, right. I had a roommate one time in college and God, this guy could shave it at 5 o' clock in the morning and by noon he had a full beard. You know, you watch them with a camera for 10 minutes and it's like the Chia Pet commercials. Cha cha cha chia, right. And then I'm on the opposite end of that spectrum. You know, I, I can go several weeks without shaving my face and hardly anybody notices. So, you know,
it's a spectrum. And, and I guess everybody's got to choose their own level of comfort when it comes to pubic hair. I will give one word of advice on when you're shaving, always make sure that you rinse off well, because you can think all the little stubby hairs are gone, you put on your device and when you take off the device, where, where did all these hairs come from?
Yeah. So, you know, hair is an issue, but cleaning the devices, let's, let's go back to that real quick because I think that's probably one of the most important aspects of this convers. What kind of soap do you use to clean your device? Yeah, I used to go with normal hand soap, but there's overwhelming proof that this soap is kind of better with the devices, with the materials that we're using on the devices. So I am doing it with dish soap and I don't want to leave the device
wet on its own like that. So I just cover it with some paper towels. But I don't dry it all the way either because then it would have little towel pieces on it. So the whole washing thing would be for nothing. That's how I clean my devices. So just as importantly as what to use degiver, what should we not use on a device? You shouldn't use any alcohols, bleach or a third one. I learned when I used to sell baby equipment, I've had a lot of jobs is
you're not supposed to boil silicone. One of the things is with baby bottle nipples and the chemistry between baby bottle nipples and the silicone devices we use are extremely similar. And in the case of some grippers, one in the same. If you boil it, you have to boil it from every point onwards or it won't get sanitized. But if you don't boil it, you can just use regular dish soap. Right. And I mean, how often do you have to do this. Is this a two, three times a day thing or. Oh my God.
I would say. Well, how I do it is typically once a day, but there have been the occasions where it's not quite gripping right. And I've had a, had a fun time. Well, fortunately for me, the hand soap at work is so bad that it doesn't have any lotions in it. So it actually works rather well. And in a pinch, those hand blower things are. I wish I had one at my house. It's actually amazing for drying out a device. It's just like it's
done. It's, it's great. I have the times I've done, I have to wonder what they're thinking because like the toilet flushes, then they hear, then they hear me washing and then they hear again. So they go, how many hands does he have? But in truth, nobody cares. Like nobody is actually paying attention. But when you're in the restroom, you're absolutely certain the entire population of the world is listening to you in the bathroom. When it comes to my normal routine, that's my
emergency at work routine. You guys want to hear about my normal routine? Yeah. Tell us, what do you do? Well, I will wash the device, which is pretty normal how I wash it, but how I dry it is different. I have a dehumidifier in my bathroom because my ceiling fan doesn't work and I got one that blows up. So if I need it to dry quickly, I can put all my device, I can wash them and put all my devices on there and it blows dry air upwards and dries it at about five minutes.
It's just, it's like a speed cycle. My routine is I, like in the morning when I'm brushing my teeth, I just go ahead and wash all of the devices that I may use that day. So you're always late for work? Well, no, by the time I finish doing my coffee and getting dressed and everything, then everything's dry. So. So that's kind of my routine. I, I'm a morning person so I've got a lot more focus and energy in
the morning. In the evening, it's a crapshoot on whether or not I'm going to remember to do it in the evening. So I'm literally imagining you right now with your, in your pajamas and devices set up on the kitchen counter. Well, actually a baby bottle rack. You know those baby bottle washing racks I used to, those are perfect for devices. Regardless, I have this recurring nightmare. Well, I shouldn't call it a nightmare. Just a concern.
But at times I'll leave the house and in my bathroom, the counter is just spread over with four or five devices and all of my gear. And I think, oh, God, I hope I never get in a car accident and somebody has to come feed my dog. Walk in the bathroom, and there could be like, what the hell is all this? I do wash, like, three times a week because I guess I don't produce that much oil down there. But at the same time, I am lazy. So I really wait
until the gripper doesn't grip anymore. So. Well, I can tell you why I wash mine at least once a day and sometimes twice. I've shared the story in the weekend group, but four years ago, no, it's been five years ago. So it was before the pandemic. I came down with what I thought was kind of like the flu or something. And I called my mom and asked her, hey, which urgent clinic do you guys recommend? Because I had just moved here. And she
said, well, what's going on? And I said, you know, I feel achy and like I've got the flu or something. And I just, you know, feel like I should probably go to the urgent clinic. And mom's intuition kicks in and she goes, I'm on my way. And she gets in her car and she hauls my butt to the emergency room. And, you know, I've been to the emergency room because I've had teenage boys, man, we go to the emergency room almost like weekly. And, you know, you sit in the lobby for hours and
hours. But when I got there, I was admitted to the hospital within 15 minutes. So the doctor came into my room and she says, well, you know, we're going to try the best we can to save your life, but we're not sure we can. Your white blood count is 50,000, and that's usually septic, and we usually lose patients at 50. And they put an IV in both of my legs, both of my arms, and pumped me full of antibiotics for 24 hours. And I was in the hospital for 10 days. Wow. The one
and only time I've ever been in the hospital. But what I had was a kidney infection, which is super weird because, like, men don't get kidney infections, that it's super rare for men to get kidney infections. And the only thing that I can think is that I had just started using an air device, and I wasn't being completely conscientious about keeping the device clean. I wasn't washing it every day. And I just wonder, you know, did I force some kind of, like, bacteria growth up my urethra
with the forced air. And did I give myself a kidney infection? Now, to be clear, I don't know. Like, I do not have proof that that's what happened. But ever since then, I have been very, very particular about the cleanliness of my devices, because I never want to go through that again. It was awful. Yeah, it's one of the things that we need to learn from the BDSM community. Like, they keep everything they use extremely clean to
avoid any kind of infection. And also, air device. I can totally see an air device creating the illusion of, like, not needing to be kept clean at all times because of the amount of the device that's touching your genitals, you know, whereas the other device is literally pushing your glands. Yeah. So, I mean, it is something especially. You know, we recommend that you use a. One of those rubberized toe protectors on the DTR to
make the pusher plate more comfortable. But if you think about that, that's just one more thing to collect, like, some kind of bacteria or some kind of virus or, you know, whatever grows in there. And when I talk to people about circumcising their boys, they're like, oh, well, you know, circumcised penis is cleaner. And I said, well, you know, I've had trouble getting my kids to brush their teeth. I've never had trouble getting them to wash their penis. If anything, I've had trouble getting
them to stop washing their penis. Well, sad. And it's basically hermetic. Hermetically sealed until they grow to a certain age. I've never understood this argument of somebody can have a penis that has an open wound on it and another one that has a hermetic seal around the glands, and they go, yep, the one with the open wound, that's the one that's gonna be less likely to get an infection. What planet
do you live on? Yeah. So we're going to leave you with an open wound in a diaper that you're peeing and pooping in, and we're going to pray you don't get an infection. Okay. This makes perfect sense. I also. I wanted to tell a story, a very short one, about my experience in Europe when I had a urinary infection after using the devices. So I didn't have the habit of waiting until everything is emptied out before putting the device back on. So back in the day, I was using TLC and dtr.
So after a few months, white liquid started to come out of my urethra There was no pain or anything, but it was repulsive as an experience. So I saw a doctor, she asked me about, you know, everything. And in the end she couldn't put her finger on it. So I had to come out as a restorer. And I explained to her, I showed her my device and I explained to her what was happening. So her best guess was like I was trapping urine or sperm in my urethra. So that caused the situation.
So I told this experience to other restorers, but nobody seems to have that problem ever. And I would still be cautious. I would give it at least, least a good 15 minutes after peeing or ejaculating before putting back the device. I feel a little left out. I think I'm the only one that hasn't gotten some kind of infection from restoring. Well, if you don't keep your device clean, you may be amongst us. I guess the portable sink and all the contraptions has been working.
Yeah, I see. One of those Zoom meetings. The guy were told about this device that he literally deguyvered to wash his equipment. Would you like to talk about that? That one was the craziest one. I guess I'll start with the craziest one. But I was in a particular living situation where I couldn't get to the bathroom without other people knowing or without being observed. And you have to clean devices
and yourself. So what I did is I took one of those pans for draining oil and I made a siphon activated faucet. So what would happen is I used all equipment from Home Depot and the aquarium store one way valve. And what would happen is you would have the basin that the water would
go into to activate it. So you could do it hands free. Because your hands might be dirty, you could blow into the top of it, which increased the pressure, which activated the siphon, which created a situation where the siphon would start and it would drain all the water. But until it started, it wouldn't do anything. I even had a red light on it so it wouldn't mess with my night vision.
So you could just wash any device you needed and then you could take the whole thing apart and store it without it being suspicious. Living up to the name Dickgyver. I tell you, that was, that was a crazy one. But I have a house now, so I don't have to. I don't need to do things like that. Which is, which is fun. But one of the other things was, the one thing that I find convenient is I have a. When I visited Japan, I Loved the detachable shower head that is on all the bathrooms in
the. In the hotel room. So when I got back, I managed to cobble together a. It was made from dog grooming equipment, but I made it to work on in my bathroom. But the. The cord, or whatever you call the tube is long enough that I can take it all the way from my shower to my toilet. So let's say I'm just too oily and the device isn't quite going
on because I think we've all been there. I can sit on the toilet, use the detachable shower head, and give just my dick washing without the rest, because it drains right into the. Right into everything else. And you can be clean without having to wash the rest of you. Because if you try to hop in the shower, your feet are gonna get wet, your legs are gonna get wet. That. It's just that area. It's very selective and I love it. I have a related experience to that in my current
apartment. The bathroom sink is at the exact height of my scrotum. So I just put everything in the sink and wash it. And we're going to move soon, actually. It's a true story. We are actually going to move soon. So. Yeah, the first thing I checked was if I can wash my penis in this sink. And I can. I was going to say if you can't. The simple solution. Step stool. Yeah. Thank you. Step stool.
But I went for the crazy tube from the shower. And here, Here's a funny thing about that is because I couldn't turn off the shower head, I put a hole in the. I keep saying that it sounds so bad out of context, but you're about to get the context in a water bottle that you can hang on the shower head. And it directs the water that doesn't go to the portable shower head. It redirects it down so it doesn't make noise and it just goes right into the. The faucet. So if you.
If you hook up a detachable shower head, but you can't get to the plumbing to turn off the shower head, you can make a water ball, just put a hole in the side of it, hang it upside down, and it directs the water straight down so it doesn't splash everywhere. Yep. I. I am sad that our listeners cannot see open roads. Shaking his head to left and right, and the sparkling eyes of Vick Kyber when he's telling this story.
You know, we've taken something that people have been doing for tens of thousands of years, and we have Made it definitely complicated. You know, back in the day, you just jumped in the river, splashed around a bit, got out, called it good. My last decivering story and this one, unlike the other two, didn't actually work. But at one point I tried to make sort of a dishwasher for devices, where I took one of those protein shake containers, a meal replacement,
I'm not a bodybuilder or anything. And I cleaned it out, I cleaned it first, that's important. Where I'd stick the devices in, stick some soap in and then do a bit of a shake like you're making a martini and try to see if I could clean it that way. The answer is no. No, you cannot. It doesn't get it clean at all. That was a terrible idea. Well, I mean, that's part of what I like most about restoration is that it is a journey of learning and discovery.
Nobody knows what works. You know, we're all just trying new. I'm just imagining the raining rainbow theme now. It's a learning and discovery. I can stretch. I can stretch twice as high. So anyway, I think this also leads us to talk about smegma because eventually you're going to have enough coverage that you're going to start experiencing that musky smell. So let's talk about that musky smell. I have not experienced that yet. I have experienced it on other men. There is a smegma panic.
It's panic longing, you know, like when am I going to have my smegma and when I have it, what am I going to do with that and everything? So I say one step at a time. Like I, I haven't heard from the restoring community anyone talk about, they just have
no idea how to deal with smegma that they're producing. The truth of the matter is if you're taking a shower every other day, every third day even, you're not going to produce enough smegma to mimic the, the God awful photographs that you see on the Internet. You know, those Internet images of that, you know, dick cheese, man, they had to have gone like 10, 15, 20 days without ever pulling their foreskin back to get that kind of smegma.
Because the fact of the matter is if you just pull your skin back and run it underwater, all that shit's gonna wash off. So, you know, cleaning your penis. I, I will admit that, like if I retain at work or if I am restoring at work, which I don't normally do because I, I sit a lot and I've not found a good way to comfortably Sit with a pair of jeans on and a device, it just, it doesn't work for me. So I, I choose not
to restore at work. But if I retain at work by about 4 o' clock in the afternoon, I can definitely smell a, you know, a musk. But, you know, then I go home and I go to the gym and I work out and I jump in the shower and that's all gone. So, you know, this, this myth that an uncircumcised penis is dirty and smelly is. That's just what it is. It's a myth. You know, you really just have to run it under running water and it's good. So, yeah, I will say about
the intact man and smell. I had one or two experiences where the smell coming from the foreskin was not urine because, you know, like, depends on the situation, but sometimes a man doesn't have the time to wash everything off or, you know, things happen. So those were like intact men. And in one incident, like, it was a very strong smell. And it is really human body. It's like that one person who takes a shower and in 30 minutes they smell like they haven't washed
for days. So it's something that your body creates. I'm sure there's like a solution to that too, if it's bothersome for the person experiencing it. But it is very rare. Like, I mean, I have only encountered it once and I have been with thousands of men, so. Thousands. Wow. You get around. No, no, no. Ultimate high score. Yeah. Turkish wrist horror. My best friend when I was in graduate school was from Denmark and we
were camping or something. We were hanging out by the campfire and we were talking about our most embarrassing stories from childhood. And he told the story about one of the most embarrassing moments of his life was as a teenager. His mother called him out for having a smelly dick. He. And before they ate dinner, she made him go wash it before she would allow him to sit at the table to eat. And he, he recounted that that was like super embarrassing. And he never let hygiene be a problem
ever again. I'm guessing that was the point of what she did. I think so. I think so. But, you know, I'm hoping some guys will put comments in the YouTube comment section or wherever you're able to put a comment, because we'd love to hear from you and what some of maybe your most embarrassing story about hygiene has been. Also would love to hear questions like, you know, not everybody is at the same stage of restoration and some of the new guys may have Questions.
So we'd love to hear from you. Actually, we have some listeners that posted and commented about our podcast. Oh, yeah, that's right. Let me. Let me look at one of. Of those comments and read it out. Let's see. Here's one. As I listened to your podcast, as you described some of the difficulties you've had with sex and masturbation, the process of achieving orgasm, I almost started crying because it felt like you had been observing me and describing my
life. I literally had to pause the podcast until I felt grounded emotionally again. We also have comments from our Buy us a Coffee supporter. Yeah, here's one. Great work. Thank you. Also, enjoy the support of the Zoom meetings. We're glad people are coming. And here's another one. Thank you for the awesome podcast. I would love to be a guest on your show. Hope to collaborate soon. Nice. On that note, yes, indeed, we would love to have more guests on the show.
We're looking for somebody to join us on the cocktail hour. We're also looking for new people to interview. So if you're interested in being a guest on the show, reach out to us@intactiganpodcastmail.com. well, I mean, I've got friends who are intact and they use bidet. They just sit forward instead of backwards. Oh, my God. How can they wash it? Doesn't it hurt? Oh, you could put it on a lower setting. Yeah. I mean, it doesn't have to be like fire hose.
Oh, yeah. My. My problem is, like, my bathroom is very small, so I physically wouldn't be able to bend it to go the other way. My knees have nowhere to go. Got it. You know, I also just remembered that when I was traveling in Asia, in Vietnam and Thailand and Laos, many of the public toilets would just be squat pans. And next to the squat pan was a great big tank of water that would fill up and you had like a ladle,
a gourd ladle. And so there you are. You're already, you know, got your pants pulled down to your ankles, and you're squatting over this pan, and you would just take this ladle and then just kind of pour it over yourself. So toilet paper did not happen. Like, toilet paper was never available down there, so you got this ladle instead. So it seems to me like if I were intact and I could just pull back and, you know, while I'm already down
there, take care of that, too. And squatting toilets are technically better for your bowels. That's why they made the squatty potty. Not sponsored. Unless you want it to be Squatty Potty. Coming at you. Yeah, coming at you. Please sponsor us, Squatty Potty. We need a rainbow unicorn on our thumbnail. Sponsored by Squatty Potty. Oh, you know what? Another one we could do is. What is that? Freshy Bidet. There's a company that's trying to get Americans to use bidets. Oh, there's also
Dude Wipes. We should be sponsored by Dude Wipes. Dude Wipes. Dude Wipes. Dude Wipes. Yeah, these are those, like, baby wipes, but they're specifically for men. They've got, you know, men's fragrances. So that's who we need to sponsor this episode of the Cocktail Hour. On the topic of soap, there is. I haven't tried this myself, but it's something we would love
to hear in the comments if somebody has tried this. They do make soap specifically for sex toys, and I'm wondering if it would work better and make devices last longer than the dawn dish soap that the vast majority of us use. I mean, in truth, I've had my devices for 10 years, and I don't feel like there's any degradation because I've been using Dawn. This is the dawn of time, and. If the companies that are producing those cleaning products would
like to sponsor us. By the way, have you guys seen what duck penises look like? It is crazy. I knew it was gonna happen, and. I. I am not Googling that, because I definitely don't want duck penises to show up in my advertising. Oh, my God. With a hook on the end with the. No, it doesn't have a hook, but it is a corkscrew, and it falls off each year, and then it grows back during the mating season. What the fuck? Most birds don't have penises. Yeah, penises.
I went down a bit of a rabbit hole one day when trying to figure out what was missing from my penis. And the unusual penises in the animal kingdom, like, most of them have bones in them. Oh, I didn't know that. So animals have an actual. Their boner is literally a boner. The Vaspa. There's only two mammals that don't have a bone in their penis. It's humans and horses. No, I had no idea. Jesus. Yeah, there's a Norwegian museum that is the museum of penises. They have. They have preserved penises
from all around the world that. I learned about that on sexplanations. It's a YouTube channel that. By the way, she is on our side. She is. She has done episodes about keeping kids intact. She's is a sex educator and she's completely on our side. She even did one on the functions of the foreskin. I also heard about that museum and because of that I have the information that the penis of the blue whale is 2 meters long. Woo boy. Wait, how wide?
Yeah, that's the actual. Because that's what really matters. I'm like, I could probably take 2 meters, but how wide is it? If it's flexible enough. Well, watch out. There is a bone in that thing. Oh yeah, they are. They are mammals. Indeed. Indeed. I mean, we've covered like all of the the big questions, but I am interested to hear what our listeners have to say about hygiene. So actually, the Reddit community shared their cleaning routine with us. Here are some of them.
One user said castile soap unscented. Dr. Bonnert's on everything every time I use it. Another Redditor says, for devices I take the extreme approach with the excellent grease cutting ability of Dawn Dish Soap and rinse it completely off of the device. Any holes get scrubbed with the appropriately sized toothbrush. My dick gets rinsed with water prior to device placement. It gets a careful drying using a soft face cloth.
Another commenter advises the same brand of dish soap, Dawn Dish Soap for devices warm, not hot water for me. Then I apply vitamin E oil to my glands. Will do until I have more consistent coverage. Quick easy routine with my dtr. This episode of the Cocktail Hour is sponsored by Dawn Dish Soap. We wish. It'S not just for baby ducks anymore. All right, well that just about wraps up this episode of the Cocktail Hour of the Attacked Again podcast. You guys remember to follow us on. Our socials,
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