ITS Home Edition: Mitchell Tenpenny

Mitchell tan Fanny So. His new record is called Neon Christmas and the title track is about sipping some adult beverages by the warm glow of the lights in a dive bar when you can't get home for Christmas because you're snowed in. Of course, this year, if we're not home for the holidays, there really might be another reason besides the weather. And and that's why we started the home edition of Inside the Studio to let you know how the pandemic has impacted the lives of artists and

how they're coping with life. During Lockdown, Mitchell told our Quarantine correspondent Jordan runt Dog that since he's stopped touring, he's returned to his roots as a songwriter. He's been writing more than he has in a long time, though

with some socially distant differences. He also talked about what it was like to record Christmas music during the summer, and how a song he wrote in thirty minutes while having a couple of beers and waiting for a bachelor party to get going totally changed his approach to songwriting. As always, if you enjoyed this episode, be sure to check out the I Heart Radio podcast that Jordan's hosts. It's called Rivals Music's Greatest Feuds, and it is available

wherever you get your podcasts. Hello everyone, my name is Jordan runt Dog, but enough about me. My guest today is a Nashville native who shot up the country charts and team with his breakthrough breakup track drunk Meat. He's had an extremely productive quarantine this year. Really sing the songs here, Can't Go to Church, a cover of Louis CAPOLDI someone you loved and most recently broken up. Now, just in time for the festive season, he's here with

a new holiday EP called Neon Christmas. It's a mix of your tied originals and old favorites, and I have to say his funky, slow jam arrangements and soulful voice have made this one of the smoothest Christmas collections I've ever heard. A commenter on Instagram wrote, have a very baby making Christmas, and that pretty much sums it up. I'm so happy to welcome Mitchell ton Penny. Thank you so much for taking the time today. So great to talk to you. Of course, brother, thank you, I appreciate it.

Oh man, well, lord knows we all need a little extra holiday cheer after this year. What led you to decide to do a Christmas EP? Yeah, man, I'm I don't know what. I've always just loved Christmas music. I've always been obsessed with it. Um fall time in Christmas timer is my favorite time of the year. It just gives me like this piece of mind, no matter what's going on in the world, no matter what age. So I don't know when I hear Christmas songs and always

does that. So I've always wanted to do that. When I got the opportunity, it was important. So the last couple of years we've been releasing a few songs, and then this year we got to do four new ones and U two that I wrote then too. Um original or two originals and then two covers. So yeah, man, I just I just love Christmas sus like I always happen. I'm a Christmas baby, so it's definitely like really oh nice, Yeah, it's awesome. Neon Christmas iss schial evocative pair of words.

Where did that? Where did that come from? Yeah? So Lindsay Rhymes and Matt Rogers I wrote that with him, and it was that we actually wrote it outside in the summer was pretty hot. But I told Matt and Lindsay I wanted to write an up tempo kind of Christmas song that you could see in a movie, essentially, like something that very like you've seen like Jingle all the Way or something with Arnold Swartzenegger or something weird but but but something that still was on brand for me.

And Matt actually had the title Neon Christmas and that was I was like, I'm very immediately started going It's like, all right, it's perfect. We get snowed in. We can't end up going out to do what our normal plans are, but we'll just hit local dot bar down the street and uh, because I bet that's actually happened before. Not snowed in, but like the flop Flight's got canceled and was like, oh, we got nothing to do, let's just

go down the road and drink. So kind of got to use some real life scenarios in that as well and then play, you know, kind of make some some Hollywood put in there as fire up that jukebox, right. It beats doing the planes, trains and automo automobiles thing of like, let's actually just enjoy ourselves here. It's all good. Absolutely. I gotta ask what was the process of choosing some

of the covers. I mean, did you sit down with like the Time Life, Christmas Treasury and Pencil, or did you have songs in your mind that you knew for years that you really wanted to tackle and do your own spin on. Yeah, we all. Holy Night was definitely one of those that I knew I wanted to do um ever since. You know, that's just one of my favorite melodies of old times. It's so classic and and

Rian Carey doing it back in the day. I was just obsessed with it and it's such a it's such a hard song just singing, so I definitely wanted one to challenge me on at and so that was a fun one to kind of dive into and do um. Same with Joy to the World. I just like it was such a such a simple song, but I wanted to give it like a groove and make it something kind of different than you've heard before. Because it's like these songs have been covered a million times and that's

why they are classics. But it's like the hardest part is making it different, and so like giving it a little groove and singing it on a different beat was kind of fun to kind of dive into. These songs were just all songs that like I was, yeah, you're right. I was looking down the list of a bunch of Christmas songs and I started humming in my head and and I was writing down things and if if I was just like it just came to me immediately like a melody or like I was like, I'm I'm in,

this is the one I want to do. And um, A bunch of those songs are just because I was singing them in cars and church as kids and as a kid just wanted to continue that. Yeah, those was gonna ask so many people, I know their first musical experiences were like in the Christmas choir at church or in the Nativity Player or something like that. Was that

the case for you? Yeah? Absolutely, church and then uh, my school we did we did plays and um we saw Christmas songs every single year and it would be a Christmas before and so all the parents would come and the kids would do a bunch of carols. So yeah, it's been been a long time coming for sure. One of the original tracks on the album. I gotta say one of my my favorite Naughty List just Christmas said your your girlfriend's folks. Yeah, so it's funny. We were

such a great idea for me. Jordan's Schmitt and Andy Albert, two of my best friends. We I told him this was last year I want to write a Christmas song. And it's actually a funny story because we went in to write take Me Home for Christmas. Um, and we started writing that song a little bit and ended up switching over. Someone said something about Naughty List and I was like, I want to do that. So that's how David SHA's Knew Christmas song got written that we're on.

We started writing the take take Me Home for Christmas and then we didn't finish that song, did Naughty List in the middle of it. Then Andy gave it to them and we all finished that song. So I was like, that's just a side story of that. But Naughty List came from just kind of talking in between doing in that first song, and then I was like, no, hold on,

let's trans this transition real quick. So we stopped writing that one and started writing Naughty List and yeah, man, it was just a fun one to do, and something about when we were just joking around and someone said that, I was like, man, there's a having an idea of go with me here, of like you know, the tape coming home for Christmas and having to change every single thing that you normally do in your real life because

your parents are around right now. Uh, and just you know, again playing to what we like to do, not taking ourselves so seriously all the time, and and uh, you know, you know you love the girl so much you don't mind if you don't give presents this here It's okay. I was gonna say this, spects the question, are you understand this? Naughty listeners? I think I'm on his undecided at this moment. List. I got we got, we got, we got like six weeks. I've got some I've got

some doing. Yeah, I've got some deeds I need to get done, some good deeds. I guess what is the coolest Christmas present you've ever received? Uh? My less Paul Man, my less Paul, my my very first my parents and my parents put payments on that that guitar. Very. I was thirteen years old, man, when I was really getting

into it, and they knew I wanted it. And it was so funny, like my parents, you know, we already opened up presents to me and my brother and my dad looks at me, It's like, did you get everything you wanted? I say, of course, Dad, this is an amazing Christmas and he's like, you're lying at me. I can tell, and I'm like, no, I'm not. Like it

was amazing because go check under our bed. And I went in there and pulled it out and it was that Gibson you know case gives in USA, and I just started freaking out open it up and man for for months after, I was just wanting to get home from school in this run and open that case. And uh, I still got the guitar back there. Today. It's uh something that means more to me than almost anything. And I'm sure gold top flame top I've got a gold top back there as well, but it's a it's a

classic sun vintage Sunburst. It's one of my favorite music. Has been such a huge role in your life with with your family. I know your your grandmother was a huge legend in Nashville community. I know your your brother plays based with you, your mother's in the industry. Was never a moment when you didn't think music would be your future? Yeah, I mean, I mean I always thought I was gonna play sports, especially football. The death the doctor told me I was gonna be like six three.

Completely missed that, and missed that by long shot. I ended up being five tin on a good day. Um maybe yeah, on a good day with my back's not hurting. But no, I thought I was gonna play football. I went to college originally thinking I was gonna do that and just didn't want to get up at five in the morning after playing music and drinking until three in the morning to go work out anymore. And and my body, my body just was like over And I was really

like really getting into writing songs more and more. I've been a lot of bands before, but really getting into ruind my own stuff. And I don't know, I just really something switched in college freshman year and said this is really what I want to do. Um and I never you know, I never turned back from it since then. Although I've seen you on Instagram. I saw you like way beyond the half court just sink basketball and like skeet shooting and like getting a bull zay and you're

still pretty formidable sports talent. I gotta say thanks. I tried, man, and this, Uh there's just no nothing to do right now, so it's so boring. I'm just I'm just out, you know, trying to be a productive and I don't know, you get you just you find a basketball on the ground and you throw it. That's what you do. And have

you been staying productive musically throughout quarantine? You're feeling good? Yeah? Absolutely, been writing a been writing a lot and down here kind of a lot myself in and then writing a lot of songs. Like before we you know, signed a record deal and started doing the full time artist thing. I was writing full time for years, songs every single day, and so when I was on the road, I kind of got away from that. It's hard to write every

day on the road. So it's it's been an easy transition getting all the road, even though I miss it like crazy to get back to this lifestyle writing every day because I did it for so long and I did kind of miss it. It has been fun to reconnect with a bunch of my writer friends and and right every day and try to come up with something new every day. That was a challenge. Um, but I'm definitely missing being on the old and being my friends and my brother and my band and yeah, man, it's

it's a balance. But you have being productive as possible writting a lot of songs. You know, Nashville such a collaborative place. Says as the lockdown and quarantine really impacted your songwriting style or a zoom been been pretty good for that, man. Zoom. I've done a few zooms. It's it's hard for me to zoom right because I play off the room and you know, as a as a guitar player, I can see a guitar in your room.

Like It's it's hard to it's hard to hear through zoom man, Like, especially if you're like getting melodies and stuff and talking over each other, like in a room you're supposed to talk over each other. You pull from it. Zooms tough so we've we've we did We've done a lot of very safe you know rights in person where we're apart from each other but you can still hear

everything in the room. UM, and been really productive like that, kind of honed in our group of people where it's you know, we just write with these people mostly and we know where each other's been. It's it's been really easy to do that. And um, I've been pretty safe and so far, so good. We've made a lot of great music. Recently on Instagram, you showed off this really complicated riff that you were saying you were going to

start developing into a song. Are you a riff based writer or do you use words as a jumping off point or a melody what gets you hooked and going into a song or is it different every time? Um? Yeah, I'd say it's different every time. But I love I love riffs. I mean so many things on my UM especially my first record, were me coming in with a riff and then you know, you write so many songs like I don't have any I'm out of riffs, and then I'm out of all this stuff. So then it's

like coming in with the hook for me. If someone has some idea that I've never heard, or if I've heard someone say something, then we'll start from there and build the chords around it, and then I'll try to come up with a riff later. But I just love interesting guitar parts, interesting chords. Uh. It always inspires me so much when I hear something cool that I haven't heard of in a while and melodies start coming to me way way easier than if I'm just hearing the

same chords over and over again. So yeah, I definitely I love a good riff. Um. You know, as a guitar player, if it once you can, once you hit that one and you're like, oh, this is cool, you kind of put it in your book and you kind of save it for those those writers you know that will that can kind of run with it. When you were a kid, you met uh Bobby Braddock, legendary songwriter.

Did he or any other legendary songwriters in the Nashville community that you meant when when you were just starting out, did any of those folks give you any advice that He's still treasure to this day when you're when you're composing. Um. Yeah, The Warren Brothers were a huge, huge, um influence on me. They were the first big writers that ever wrote with

me before I had a deal or anything. Um. They were so kind and we actually they actually co signed me with Sony as my very first publishing deal UM because of a song we wrote, the first song we ever wrote. Keith Urban took and put it on hold at the time, and it actually got me my deal. And I did the demo for them and I sent it out and they were like, man, I want to keep writing. It was just one of those weird moments

where I just look at lucky. Something they got canceled on, and they they'd always promised me if that happened, they would let me ride. And they called me that day and whatever I did, I canceled and we went in the studio and did it. And so they've they've given me so much, you know, just value beyond just writing music, just the industry itself. You know, how to take care of yourself. You know, they lost their father to like how to deal with that. And I mean they're they're

basically like big brothers to me. And I'll never take that for granted. They're amazing talent, but also just they've lived a lot of life, and they had a lot of advice for me through this entire time. And um, I love those guys. You've said that broken up. Your recent single came and something like thirty minutes. Tell me a little bit of that, because as someone who doesn't write music like me, that seems like sorcery or something. How does that happen? Yeah, I mean I think you know,

sometimes we overwrite songs. We you get a bunch of songwriters in the rooms, like you get a bunch of English teachers in the room, you're gonna write a book that like no one can read because you know, because the words are just too profound or they're too perfect. So some times you need to go with your first gut, your first answer. And that's kind of what we did on that song. We were waiting for my buddy Andy Albert, who we wrote Naughty List with and a few other songs.

It was his bachelor party and so a bunch of us were getting together. We were gonna go to Jeff Rubies downtown to eat some steak and then go out afterwards. Um and so we downtown play again music Dallas Davidson's place. Um My buddy Kyle has a studio there and it's right next door. So we're all let's meet up there first, and we were surprising Andy he had no idea. So

we met up there about an hour early. We were just waiting in the studio and having a couple of beers and I just sat down by the piano and Kyle was as computer. I was like, I just recorded in something real quick, A loop looped it and then I was like, here, hand me the mic and it's me him Devin Dawson and Ernest Kay was in the room or Ernest now sorry Keith, and we just I was like, let's the first thing we say. I'm singing

in right now. So each line by line we write in line, I just singing in on s M seven like you're using right there and um, and I just I just sunk it in. Uh done, did the song about thirty minutes, shut the geter down, and went out in Nate stake. And about a week later, I was like, dude, what do we what do we do that? Now? Do you remember when we sent it to me? And I just really kind of dug it. It was. It was one of those things that just kind of felt right.

I ended up using the vocal that we sung that night for the record. Man, it was just just k yeah, just have vocal song and just like that, one by one, and and I think it came down to, like our first guest, what we wanted to say there was probably right, instead of overwriting a song and making sure everything is so perfect, how would you have said it in conversation? And that was kind of a an eye opening thing

for us. How we how we right? We all started doing that a little bit more and written a lot of songs since that way, and like kind of go with your first gut, maybe edit a little bit after the end, but like your first guts, probably right. There's something you said to interview you have to be vulnerable to stand a chance in this industry. I thought that was such a really interesting and great sentiment. I wanted to ask you more about that. Why do you think

that that's the case? Because people people will call your bluff real quick. I've found that out. Like they know for a fact if you're lying to them on stage, they know they know in your performance. And if you're honest and vulnerable with what you do, I think he gardners more authentic attention because people have been there people understand that or they can put themselves in that story.

I know personally me as a listener and the songs I fell in love with growing up, UM, I fell in love with artists that were very vulnerable, very authentic. I mean even from Usher to his Confessions down to Render Road from from Brooks and Dunn telling that whole story. You know, her Daddy didn't light me up my shackle up g t O like I had to. I worked on a GTO as a kid, and like those little moments that were like you could put yourself in is

what I always wanted to do. And I think it takes a vulnerability of being honest to um to make people believe you when you're singing it to him. I noticed that something of a theme running through a lot of your songs that you h You teased the new songs Sleeping Alone on on Instagram and your new single broken Up Drunk Me about Breakup Can't Grow to Church from earlier this year's another incredible breakup song as well. What is it that attracts you to break up songs?

What is that that you think that goes over so well with people? Yeah, it's tough and it's I don't want to just write breakup songs. I have a lot, but for some reason, those have been the ones that my um you know, that my fans have gravitated towards. For me, is is breakup songs, because maybe that's that's when you're the most vulnerable. Maybe maybe back to the questions, when you can actually admit some things in your life

that happen and people have been there. You know, when you're happy, it's like anything, you don't really think why you're happy. When you're happy, you just wonder why you're sad and when you're sad. Uh And And I think that is a big part of like writers, it's always it's easier to write a a sad song than a than a happy song because you just have so many

emotions going at the same time. And so I think for breakups, it's like it's happening so many different parts of my life in every different part is completely different breakup, and so you have so much to live through. Uh that that that you have so much to pool through when you're when you're doing a song, that to me, it's very interesting, um when writing is trying to dive into that emotion. That can actually grab someone real quick and pull them in. Whereas you know, up tempo, happy

songs all the time, which I do love. You know, they give you a kind of instant emotion, they put you somewhere like that where these songs can grab you and pulley back in time sometimes, you know, these other songs are just background music for what you're doing right now, if that makes any sense. Yeah, there's something that we all learned something when we're going through a breakup, and it always sticks with us. Where it's happen is You're right,

it's very ephemeral. It's just like you feel it and then it's great. Word, that's that's absolutely right. Well, on the flip side, you're dating Megan Patrick, another brilliant artists. You're both usually on the road. It must be so nice to be able to actually spend a lot of time with one another now and in lockdown. How is that it's been. It's honestly been great. We got to learn more about each other than we probably would in the next five years if we were living normal life,

and um, it's been awesome. It's definitely made us closer and and solidified everything that we we thought we had going into this, um, but we're both ready to get on the road. We both already, Man, we want to We want to be out playing shows, doing what we love.

I know her too, especially. I mean her family is in Canada too and completely locked down and she hasn't been able to see her family at all, and I know that's tough for her, and so music is always her escape in the world, you know, getting away from that. And so she can't see her family and she can't

play music. It's tough right now. So we're just you know, we're praying and hoping and being hopeful that soon we can figure something out to where we can get back out and take our minds off everything and play on stage again. Yeah, do you have the UH? I know you were set to play the rhyme and UH in October and that that fell through. I know that's you know, legendary venue. That would have been really cool. Is that uh? That on the books anytime in the in the foreseeable

future and not yet. Yeah, I mean we're definitely gonna do it. That'll be where we start our next headlining tour when we can do it. Um. It's just yeah, it was that can maybe do half capacity and it was just to me that was such a special moment for us in our group to play the Roeme, and

we wanted to do it right. We wanted to be completely full when we play it, and if we couldn't do it then then we wanted to wait for it because that's a moment since a kid, I've been wanting to do being born and raised in Nashville, going Royman shows, to have my own headlining show there. We wanted to do it right and so we will do it the second week and the second it's safe. Um oh, we don't know exactly what that is yet. What are you doing when when you're you're not writing music and thinking

about music? How do you like to to unwind at home with the with the dogs or bins watching those or what do you want? Yeah? Love love Ben's watching shows. We we got really into Ship's Creek and Megan loves anything to do with murder. I mean, she's just a lot and so lots of that stuff. I'm a comedy guy. I like to go to it with an ease ease in my heart, but she loves all these murder ducks. We love to be outside, We love to We love

to hunt, fish, golf. We I love golf. We got megan into golfing this year a lot um and we just got mountain bikes, so we're starting to do a little bit of that. Um. But yeah, anything outdoors. We just love being outside. And it's the perfect weather in Nashville right now. It's autumn. The leaves are beautiful and the weather is just kind of perfect. So we're just enjoying time being outside. Do you play music together a lot around the house or or when you is that

is that work? Is that kind of like no, no, no, that's yeah, we we aren't. We have it. We that's just so I don't know, it's we show each other songs and like she'll write a song, she'll come and play, uh in acoustic in the room and I'll be and you know, I love that, but we we normally just don't we we do other stuff when we're together. I don't know, it's not it's just not our first instinct to pick up and play. I know people that it's like, but like we're home and it's just I don't know,

it's just a different, different vibe. Oh yeah, no, I totally get that. That's that's that's the SETI siete of you. Yeah, I gotta say I've been loving your Your Quarantine cover is Kings of Leon somebody, It's great stuff. Any any others on the way, Yeah, But I mean whatever, I just like, if I hear a song driving around that day and it's just been stuck in my head all day, and I get down here in the studio to edit, I'll be like, askret I want to do something real.

Qually can do a cover. So I don't know, there's a bunch. There's so many cool songs coming out right now because everyone's you know, everyone's so creative right now. There's just so much time. So I've been discovering more music than I ever have and trying to be inspired and writing really different stuff, you know, a little scared because you know, we're in this we're in this country

market and and I love country music. But like I've been exploring with all different kinds of sounds and and um, just different things, different things to keep us inspired. So we'll see what happens. Yeah, it was it was I said earlier. You you teased sleeping alone on on Instagram? Is this sign of a of a new new full length on this way or is that still still ways on? No? Absolutely, I mean it's a little ways off because we definitely want to be tour be able to tour this record.

But we we've got a lot of songs, and we've been cutting a lot of songs. I'm thinking we've already cut eleven so far and and we'll overcut a little bit. But I want to record with fourteen sixteen songs on it. I want to when we come out with this next record, I want a lot of songs on it. So we're cutting a lot, we're writing a lot, and uh, Sleeping Alone will definitely be on It's one of my favorite songs in a while. And and the way we did

the production on it's gonna be really cool. It's uh it's rock and roll with We did a big big drums, big drums, which I love because I come from that rock and roll hardcore emos seeing Warped tour days, so I kind of incorporated that a little bit on this song. Um, it's pretty cool. We'll see. I was gonna ask you

about that. Yeah, you're early days, you were like hardcore punk guy, Like what brought you back, uh into the into the Nashville You know, you're a teenager, you run away from a little big you come back home with the prodigal son. Right. I think a lot of a

lot of people in Nashville did that. I call it far memo because so many kids from Warp Tour now in here in Nashville writing country songs, um and and it's awesome and honest, they're all amazing writers and all having lots of success because it was it was great melodies back then. They really were. These are rock songs, but these melodies are incredible, and now it's just incorporating that with a more country lyric and uh, it's it's pretty cool to see, man, a bunch of my friends

that that. I all, I had the jet black swish share and the tight jeans just like me. Um, we're all running country songs together now, so it's pretty cool. Oh yeah, I had, I had all the taking back Sundays, So absolutely love that. Man, you said you're listening to two different kinds of stuff. Now, what what are you

listening to right now? Yeah? More? I mean just got back to listening to a lot of rock and a lot of syncopated drum based stuff, you know, and even stuff like the nineteen seventy five just weird ambient tones. You know, they do a lot of drop back to the eighties stuff, but a lot of a lot of scent stuff that's really cool. Um, there's so much technology, man, and so many new plug ins that you can play with sound wise, like on your keyboard that it's just

so interesting like that we didn't have growing up. They're just unlimited and so and so it's so cool to sit down every day play something on your keyboard that's completely different from what you've heard. And I don't know, there's something aspiring about that where you know, you hear something new and you just kind of run with it and whether you know if it's good or not, you just gotta kind of take off and see what happens

at the end. Oh man, that's that's so exciting. It. Wait when you finish your track, when you got it mixed down, and do you is there a way that you like to audition it, Like you get in the car and like trying get up a drive and just to hear what it sounds like? Is that's what you do? That? That's that's my play every time when I get a mixed back. I get in my truck and I drove and I listened to it five times. Uh, that's my office. I crank it. Yeah, that's it because that's where people

listen to music. You know, they listen to in their headphones with their cars and and so I want to make sure that the vibes right when you're driving with a noise on the road with the windows down. What is it sounding like? Because I can make it sound awesome in the studio or in a bigger studio with monitors, what's it sound like they're And then I always listen to on headphones, a little cheap headphones, because you know,

that's what people listen to. It. You spend you know, so much money in the studio and all this stuff, and it's gonna be listening to on tindall our headphones. So you gotta you gotta play for that as well. Um, but yeah, it's my My go to is getting in my truck the second I get it, driving around, crank it up. I think it's what Brian Wilson used to do with all the Beach Boys tracks. He knew all those songs, you know, especially the car songs. We're gonna

be played in teenagers cars. So we brought a car speaker into the studio and that was his last tense. It was just to play that. Yeah, I got a boom box up here that runs too that. I'll like, I have the studio speakers here, but I'll I can switch over the monitors and just hear the mix on a boom box, so it takes away all the lows, a bunch of them. It's just it's it sounds like crap, is what it sounds like. And that's what you gotta want because it kind of gives you a completely perspective.

You got this really good monitors and then it sounds like craps. You're like, okay, I can adjust a few things here that I'm not hearing and the really good monitors, because you know, that's how most people listen to music, including myself listening to the car speakers and the headphones. Um, and it's we can't wait to hear more of what's coming. Uh. My last question. I've been asking everybody this and it's

so interesting to hear all the people's different responses. If you can snap your fingers and have everything go back to normal, whatever your definition of normal, is say, this time last year, what would be the first thing that that you would do? Uh? Really, so kid, being on stage, really soaking in what's happening when people are singing back your song, um, and engaging with you, when you're leaning

down and touch a hand walking down the catwalk. Um. You know, those are things that you dream of as a kid, while you put posters on your wall, while you fall in love and music, and when it happens. It happened so fast when drump Me came out and we kind of took off. You know, these things were so out of the normal for us, but it was happening so fast, we weren't really soaking it in as much as I as I thought I was. Until it's

taken away from you. Thinking about meet and greets, thinking about touching someone's hand again, thinking about seeing a crowd singing back to you is something I never realized how much I missed, even though I wanted that more than anything in the world. Does that make sense at all? Absolutely, it's such a crazy thing to think of. Um, you got everything you wanted, but when you got it, you you weren't aware. And now I'm fully aware that I

got everything I wanted and I wanted back. That's great answer, Mitchell, Tim Penny, thank you so much for your time and your music. It's been such a pleasure. Thank you joining the man. I appreciate it. Thank you, cheers. We hope you enjoyed this episode of Inside the Studio Home Edition, a production of I Heart Radio. For more episodes of Inside the Studio and other shows from I heart Radio, check out the I heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.