ITS Home Edition: Dermot Kennedy

on the Irish charts in five years. And that is a triumph that he repeated back to back the very next week when his own song Giants went to the top of the chart. So I imagine that he did some celebrating, and I also imagined that it might have been low key since he spent most of lockdown at his parents house, which is surrounded by a forest and

some fields. You know. We started the home edition of Inside the Studio to let you know how the pandemic has impacted the lives of artists, and Dermott told our quarantine correspondent, Jordan Runtalg that being back home for a long stretch has reconnected him to the kinds of feelings he had when he was just starting out, when he was seventeen or eighteen years old and writing a song was away he had of expressing himself. It was something

he had to do. It wasn't work, of course, something a little less awesome that the pandemic has reconnected him to when he was seventeen or eighteen. That was a time when he could only get like one or two gigs a year. He also talked about his love of hip hop and Formula one racing and the Icelandic band Seeker Ross and what those very different things have in

common anyway. As always, if you enjoy this episode, be sure to check out the I Heart Radio podcast that Jordan's hosts, which is called Rivals Music's Greatest Feuds and which is available wherever you get your podcasts. Hello everyone, my name is Jordan Runtug. But enough about my guest. Today. Got to start busting on the streets of Dublin, following in the footsteps of musically minded countrymen like Damian Rice

and Glenn Hanson. Because life changed in when his song After Rain became a viral smash, racking up millions of plays on streaming platforms. Since then, he's put his classical training the Good Use with powerhouse tracks like Power Over Me and Outnumbered. His debut album, Without Fear made him the first irishman the top the UK album charts in

twenty years. It also broke into the top twenty in the United States, where he's earned a fervent following for his soulful voice, deeply personal lyrics, and his hip hop influence take on folky singer songwriting. I'm so happy to welcome Dermot Kennedy. Of course, thank you. Well, that's so

much to talk to you about. But first off, you just released an expanded version of your debut album, Without Fear, which includes your new single Giants, which is the song you said is about letting go of the past and being comfortable with change. Tell me more about what that song means to you. Yeah, I mean, it's an interesting thing, right because so often when I write songs, it's kind of it's a it's a very personal thing, and it kind of feels like it's for my life, about my life.

It just feels like a very sort of internal thing. And and I've always looked at artists, say like artists like Hosier who writes songs about protests, and world issues and stuff. And I've seen that so many times, and I thought, like, I'll probably do that at some stage, but I certainly don't want to do it if it feels forced, right, So I never had and then that's not what this song is. But I just mean that message of letting go of the past and moving forward

and stuff. It just felt in my mind. I was like, just throughout this time, I was like, this feels like a nice message to put out into the world at this time, right, Like, I don't want to do something that's overly optimistic, because this year just hasn't been great, Like it hasn't yeah, yeah, and and and so I don't want to seem oblivious to things. But then I also don't want to sort of compound people's has come out with the most morose thing. And so it felt

like it struck a nice middle ground for me. I thought, I thought it had a hopeful message, but that it was aware of the difficulties, you know, and and so like I wrote this song a long time ago, and and that's what it meant to me at that time. So um, so it just felt like a nice time to sort of say that to the world. I really enjoyed how you described it on Instagram as as sort

of a tribute to how nature has inspired you. And I imagine since the start of Lockdown, a lot of people have been going back to the things that have kept them grounded, like nature and family and things like that. Yeah. Absolutely, Yeah, Like I'm always I'm reluctant to sort of celebrate this here because like because it makes me sort of seem like I'm dismissive of all the difficulties for people. But like for me, there's been a lot of upsides there

just has in a selfish way. It's like I haven't been at home for this long, in such a long time, like years, and and so it's been view to ful. I'm like I've seen my friends more regularly. It's like all the it feels as though, like all these friendships and relationships that have kind of just stretched out a little bit, I've been able to just like bring them back in and solidify them again. And I think that's

the most important thing. And so yeah, it kind of feels like years ago when the industry was a bit different. It feels like that break that artists may be used to get between first and second albums, you know what I mean. And so I was talking about this the

other day. It's like a lot of people get these get this sort of like stick about bringing out second albums that are disappointing, and it's like, yeah, but they're probably on a bus for two years, right and then and then you've got like a month or two months to put your whole second album together, and it's like, of course people fall short. Hey, they're probably exhausted, be they've got nothing to write about, you know, Like artists say that all the time. They're like, I've only been

in hotel rooms. And so in a way, for me, I put my second album together. I feel like this is a nice time for me to just reconnect. And because, like they say, you spend your whole life making your first album, and like where I am now is in my parents house and and like the forest is up there and it's all feels that way, and it's like that stuff feeds my songs since I wrote my first song, and so it's cool for me to reconnect. It really really is, like it's important for me, I think, to

write decent music. Being back at your your your family's house, does that almost put you does that almost put you back to where you were at the very beginning of your song writing, when you were writing songs in your bedroom just for you and not even thinking about Yeah, yeah, yeah. So my my drummer me Hall, he's from Dublin too, and we both agreed that that's exactly what it feels like.

I feel like seventeen or eighteen again. And it feels because like the situation when I was eighteen and nineteen was, I was just as determined as I am now, but I couldn't get a gig like I would. I would play like two shows a year, you know what I mean, because like no one wanted to there was just nothing to do. And like I do like two shows a year in Dublin, that type of thing, Like it was just super I was just going through it. And I

would write a song whenever it felt right. I would never ever ever sit down and just be like, all right, theremo, just time to write a song. Ever, like I would wait until I could not stay away from the song. And so it was this lovely, really organic, authentic thing and and so yeah, honestly, you're banging on. I think I think it does feel like before I had any sort of career. Yeah, and you still that way, do you? Only it's not something that you sit down every day

and and have it almost like a daily practice. Are you still? Do you only right when you feel like you have something to say and you're inspired. No, it's a bit different. It is training now. I think it's training. I think I think I'd feel a little bit guilty if I was trying to be like a top tier songwriter, if I was, like, there is a lot of value I think in treating it like a sport, you know

what I mean? There just is there no way. There's no way I could not write all the time and then get into the studio and expect it to be there for me to access, you know. I think, I think you've got to keep at it every day, and I think you sort of you just have to show up.

I'm getting way more comfortable all the time with the fact that there's good days and bad days, and and like I used to get so hung up on the idea that if I had a bad day, I'd be like funk man, like this is that's a really bad song, and that that should never exist. But nowadays I'm just like, yeah, but it won't. It's all good, Like you tried something and no one will ever find out, and and you're not worse off for having tried it. You're probably better off.

You learned something about yourself, you know. So like I'm just I'm getting more comfortable with it. The whole time I think it was heading away, you said, always leave something for the next day, because if you don't, then you'll never come back. It's too scary to have sort of nothing in reserve that you know, like a way to find the path the next day. Is that something for you where you sort of like always leave a little bit for the next day so you're not completely

starting from from a blank page. That's interesting, Yeah, I like, Yeah, for me, in the past, i'd just i'd be in the studio and say, for example, if you're in the studio from whatever eleven am until seven pm, I will have like shut down so many cool creative paths by

one pm, you know what I mean. Because someone might suggest a lyric and I'd be like, no, I can't be that because my life is like this and this didn't actually happen to me, and so I get so hung up on everything to the point that it was pretty counterproductive. And so nowadays, nowadays, I'm way better. And I used to be so jealous, Like if I was in the studio with other writers, I'd just be like, man, like, how do you do this? Every single day? Like how

do you? Because for me, I try like I try hard to access the most honest, most powerful parts of my whole being and my soul and the good bits and the bad bits. And that's tiring, I think. And and so I've had days where we'd work on an idea and flesh it out and then it's done and say it's like six pm or whatever, and someone would be like, you want to just like try a new idea for the next two hours, as I fucking no

like about what it's like to me. It's like, I'm like about what, Like, I've spent the last six hours trying to relate this idea to my life in some way. So but I am getting better at just going in and being like, let's just do it. Let's like knock a song out, not worry too much about the lyrics. I can always fix them down the line, not fix them, but just like make them mine and more so me, And and that can always be done in the future. So let's just write a song. Let's like try Dermott

to get to the point where you love music. That's why you're here, that's the only reason you're here. Just enjoy yourself, like, don't think too much, do not think too much. And I'm getting better at that. But also I am I am very aware of the potential trap of like like slowly just like dulling what you do and and and it becoming like low common denominator thing because you're just like, oh, this doesn't make me feel

any kind of way. But I had phone in the studio today, you know, I'm very conscious of not becoming that personal. I'm always curious to know with people who are are blessed with the ability to write music, what do you get from it. Is it a desire to connect with other people, or is it to sort out what's going on inside your emotions your feelings and processing that or is it a bit of both? And it's a lot of different things. I Like, when you said both of those things, I'm like, yeah, it's both of

those things. But I wouldn't I wouldn't be like it's exactly that, you know, I think like I think it's when say, for example, like the piano I'm sitting out here.

You can't see it, but it's a it's a big, lovely piano, and and like if you hit like whatever chord or like the fact that that through the strings and everything rings out and there's other notes in there that I didn't even play that you can kind of hear and stuff like just all like I remember when we were going on tour the first time we had to get an electric keyboard, and I was just like, oh man, Like I didn't realize that that was a thing,

and but it is. It's just practical. But like what I'm saying is like when I'm sitting here at this piano and I and I dig and dig for a while and then I hit a lyric that I know is special honestly, Like that's what it's all about for me. Um, And I know your question is kind of like yeah, but like why does that feel so good? But I mean it's very very exciting to me when I do that.

I'm like, oh man, I can do this. Like like I I there's a huge part of me just wants to wants to leave a legacy, and I want to be respected by other lyricists and stuff. So when I nailed something special, I'm like, oh cool, like any sort of It's like the second I hit a good lyric, I feel all my insecurities just like go away and like and I'm just like, oh cool, that was special. But why do I write music? It's it's it's for me.

I don't know, in the least corny way possible. I'm just like, I just gotta do it, you know, I just have to. It's a very important part of who I am. I think sometimes I find myself feeling pent up in a little bit stressed, and I'll check in with myself and I'll be like, oh, you haven't played the piano and five days, you haven't written in a while, Like, don't underestimate how important that is to you. So honestly, like talking about like connecting to others and stuff, Yes,

that's a really beautiful part of touring. But now that I don't have it currently, I'm like, I'm still good, like I I still feel good like I do this for other reasons too, And and it's been a nice sort of reassurance in this time to be like, Okay, touring has been taken away for the time being. And you can't get in the studio people, and you're not doing like promo all over the world. You're not jumping on planes. It's not that life right now. And so

are you good? Like all the baggage, everything that isn't it at its core has been taken away from you. So how do you feel? And I'm still completely fulfilled and so I'm like, oh, sweet, I haven't lost my way, Like this is still the most important thing to me. So everything else is not superfluous, but everything else is is it's just part of it, you know. But the core has to say the same. It just has in

your mind. Are you writing at all times? Because I know a lot of writer friends both you know, novelists and songwriters who you know they could be getting broken up with and in that moment, there's still a part of them that's thinking, oh, this is like this is going to make a great song or something. Do you find yourself ever doing that in in your life? Yeah? Yeah,

for sure. Yeah. And it's and it's a nice comfort blanket too, because there be times where I'd be like, you're not especially through this time when you're like, oh, you're not being very disciplined. You're not like writing every day, And then in my head, I'm like, no, you're writing all the time. Like it's like I'm never not thinking about whatever demo I was working on last or lyrics that might show up, and blah blah blah. I guess, yeah,

it's just never off. And and so it's nice, honestly when I feel a bit guilty about like, oh, I haven't sat down and written for like three hours a day for the last week or so, and it's like, no, you you're thinking about it constantly, you know. Yeah, So yeah, I don't turn it off. Yeah. There's definitely like life events and stuff where I'm like, this is a tune. You studied classical composition in college and you also busted for a long time in Grafton Street in Dublin without

throwing any any teachers under the bus. Which of these was more of an educational and helpful experience for you or both in different ways. Yeah, it seems like sure, totally, certainly for what I do now. Yeah, I think I think if I went back and did that degree that I did, if I did that now, I'd be in a far better position to actually benefit from it. You know. I went when I was eighteen, like eighteen nine, twenty years old, and I was just constantly like, oh, this

is so uncool. I just want to go and play, and I just want to go play in a dingy bar, and I just don't play my guitar, and and I was singing all this incredible classical music, and I was surrounded by musicians like the caliber of which I haven't come near since. But I just I could not appreciate it. I couldn't. I was too impatient. But I'm very glad I did it. For sure. It's a beautiful thing to

have done. But the buskin was a proper education. Yeah, yeah, the buskin was cool because like you could just be doing it and no one cares all day and you're just like, still did it, you know, and you're like, I still tried, and blah blah blah. Honestly, there's there's multiple ways in which bus can set me up. So it taught me how to project my voice, which is so important because I'm trying to compete with like a

full street full of people. And also it taught me like a valuable lesson that was a little bit hard to take. But basically there was the first few times I went, I sat in a chair and I wore whatever, and my CDs were just blank CDs, like they didn't have an artworker anything. I probably have one here, but they they were just like you know, like when you buy them wherever target anything like that, like just blind

CDs with my name on them and sharpie. And I had them out in front of me and I had a really crappy amp and I was just like, no, like, if I'm good enough, this will work out and and it will be this magical thing where people got around because they're hearing something special and and it just didn't work like that. I would make a bit of money and there was some nice experiences, but it never like

worked worked. And then I bonded to this Australian guy who was like this busking expert and he just had this incredible setup and I was like, oh my god, this guy gets a crowd in like ten seconds and he has this huge crowd. And so I spoke to him and he told me, basically, you should treat your busking set up like a shop front. He was like, get a much better speaker, get a big sign. He was like, take up as much space as you possibly can.

So I got this big, beautiful rog. I got my friend who's an artist to make this huge sign for me. I've got artwork on the CDs, and I started standing up instead of sitting down, and I like quadrupled what

I was making. And I was just like, oh, it kind of hurt the artist in me because I was like, I thought if I just sat and played, people would be like into it, but now it just showed me like and then that lesson It is the exact same time and time again, you know, like I had a whole ten years of bringing out my own music, uploading to Spotify and all that stuff by myself, and it

never ever worked out. And ultimately it did in the end, but like I see nowadays with a label and and and all that stuff and and just how songs get rolled out, and I'm like, Jesus thermat no wonder it didn't work out, Like you didn't know what you were doing. But it was interesting to me to see. It's like, of course it's always about the music, but I was like, you got to think about other stuff too. What were you playing back then when you weren't playing your own stuff?

I was never playing my own stuff in the street. It was all yeah, it was all covers. If I played my own stuff, I would get discouraged because people didn't know it and so they wouldn't stop. And if I played all of Me by John Legend, I would have like five people. And I was like, Okay, well of course I'm gonna do this every day. That's that I struggled with that too, because I just didn't like it. I was like, I know, I can make certain choices here that will make me more money, and if I'm

being callous about it, that is why I'm here. I'm trying to get into the studio. So I need to make X amount quicker to get into that studio. And that's I mean, like, there's so many things that correlate between Buskin and what I do now. I know for a fact there's certain things I could do now that would guarantee me more income and radio play and blah blah blah. And it's like I can't do it because

I gotta hold on to who I am. But Buskin is the exact time you gotta you gotta make those choices, and and I kind of I I stepped away from the buskin a little bit because I saw things like my social media growing and all the comments and all

my stuff. We're kind of like, oh, I can't wait to see what cover you do next, and can't wait to see the next cover, And I was just like, I'm not here to do covers, like I will do my own things someday and I'll have this big fan base of people who don't want to hear it, who just want to hear me do the latest, like edge

hearing song. So I gotta be careful. Yeah, do you ever feel tempted to go, but especially now that you can't perform concerts, do you ever feel tempted to go out and bust somewhere in public and do sort of an open air kind of surprise. I love it if I definitely do it, if it if it wasn't like the current situation, and half the country would hate me for bringing a big crowd together now. But even even last week we did a thing for Irish TV real quick.

We sang I sang this old Irish folk song in the middle of the street besides Grafton Street and it was fun, like a crowd gathered. And it's at a point now where I could hear people being like, oh, that's what's his face? And I was just I was like, it was just it's exciting. It's a cool thing. You know, Like, no matter how much your music grows, no matter how big the crowd's get, no matter how many people listen to your music, it's like you're still trying to get

that like close connection. You really are. Swear to god, I watched the video. I watched a Wrap Radar interview with Drake and while back, and he said it was celebrating a year They're sorry, a decade of Drake just like owning everything, and he was like he was he said to like all up and coming artists. When you're at that point where people are like sharing your music and the interest is like growing, he was like, never forget that feeling, because he was like, you'll spend your

whole career chasing it. So honestly, things like being in the street last week and just seeing people get excited and kind of gather around. I was like, this is cool, but like I'd take this just as much as I would take like five thousand people in the path room. For sure. You mentioned hip hop. I know that that's a huge influence on you, and I can hear it in your lyrics to im and even just for the verses in Giant, The hope and the hurt has lived inside of me, But there's gold in the dirt I

never took the time to see. I mean, I can hear hip hop beat over that. You've said that you feel there's more sincerity in in in hip hop and better storytelling. I was wondering if you could expand on that a little bit. Why do you think that is? Yeah, not even necessarily like better storytelling. I just feel like when hip hop is good, it feels so potent to me, I think, rather than me being constantly being like, here's

the music I love and here's the like. Of course I have my musical tastes absolutely, but like more than that, it's like trying to find a feeling. So like if you watch like a ten minute cigarette song, it's like it's still it's the exact same as seeing like Dave performed that song at the Brits. It's the exact same.

It's it's just like or even the official video that they made for pop Smoke Song got it on me, Like some of the live footage from that, I'm just like, that's the exact same thing, and it's like, I know

it's completely different. I know, I know, but it's just like to me, it's like somebody's character and somebody's passion and intensity that like that's why my favorite thing I think I've ever watched is is Senna, that documentary about Erkin Senna, the F one driver from Brazil, and it's just like that guy was just nuts about what he did.

And there's one of my favorite examples is when he was doing the Monaco Grand Prix, which is like famously dangerous and and and scary, and he was way out ahead and the team come on the radio and they were like, your god, like we won this race. Chill out, like it's all good. And he pushed and pushed and pushed and push to pushed until he totaled the car because he was he was like racing himself. He didn't care about anybody, you know, like he was racing. He

was trying to make the lead. Just baffling and not that it's about winning, but it's just like that sort of I don't know that like that that desire to be great at what you do. I think that crosses, genres one, and then just whatever sort of purity of character and passion of the soul that you see in Cigaret Ross to ray La Montagin to literally like say fifty cents first album. It's just like it's all same to me. When you see athletes do it, it's the

same thing. So that's why, like, I don't know, I I find inspiration in so many different things because I don't care what it is. It's just it's just about like if that person is doing the thing, you know, Yeah, but in terms of like genres and and and and

there's yeah, I just I think I don't know. I had this conversation with Dave recently in the studio, and I was talking about, like I feel like there's so many people in my world, like the acoustic singer song or the world, who are just kind of given it a bash, and it's like it's like emotional porn, right, Like it's it's that like you know what I mean, It's like a song in a sincere way. But I just I don't feel it's voyeur a kind of people's

voyeurism totally. And then but I think it's so obvious and obviously you never want to name anybody as the bad example, but like if you take say, if you take say justin Vernon from bonni Vere, it's just like that's real. Like I feel that, like that is authentic. So that versus somebody else is just like they're different, like and and so I said that today and he was like yeah, but he was like, I feel like in hip hop, that is the genre now where people

are giving it a goal. Like he was like, so many people are just like I'll try this, like I'll do this. So he we kind of came to the conclusion that it probably exists in all things, but just I guess I'm just very drawn to just that like potent thing. You know. I saw you were in New York recently, actually right in my neighborhood. I saw you at a picture Kellogg's Diner, which is right for me. How is how is the sessions going? It's great. Yeah, I mean, like I said to you earlier, it just

I feel very free. I feel very loose creatively. I feel I feel like Scott Harris, who I work with quite a lot. I feel like our relationship is at a point now where I can actually be like, all right, what'll we do today, Like what will we I don't know. Like in the past, if someone was like, is there anything you're thinking about? Is there anything you want to write about? I'd be like, I'd say no, but like I have a bunch of stuff going on and and I would wait for the music to sort of take

it out of me. But with Scott, I'm comfortable enough now to be like, all right, sweet, what do we do today? Like blah blah, not in a clinical way, but just I don't know, I just I feel really really comfortable with him, Like because to me write music like this is my favorite place in the world to be, Like my favorite thing is being by myself and and and and sitting at a piano doing nothing for like ten minutes and no one like sort of being like, okay,

you know what I mean. Like, so, like I struggled for a long time with the fact that there might just be other people in the room, whereas now I feel very comfortable. I think it comes with being more established as an artist too. It's like I know I can hold my own and I know I have X amount of respect here, so I don't feel like this underdog. So so I guess it just it figures itself out over time. But yeah, no, New York was class. We got some good songs. We're just kind of ethering songs.

I'm not trying to write like a hundred songs for twelve song records. You know. I struggle with that idea, to the idea of throwing stuff away. I'm kind of like, why would you put your heart into something if you're just gonna bin it? But not going really well, I'm not nash either, you know, like I've got time, I've got songs that didn't make the first record that might show up here. No, it's all good. I'm just trying.

It's funny though, because you never know when you're dawn right, Like like you could be like, oh, yeah, sweet, those are twelve or ten or fourteen whatever great songs, and then you another one could show up and you could be like, well, what have I had ten of those? And like that would be really special, you know the way like when you think about say like Adele Records and stuff like that, you're just like, oh, every song

is just that special song. It's like, well, what like we could take the time and just like wait until that moment, but then who knows? You never know. You may never get there. You may just feel the exact

same way when you keep at it. Who knows. It's funny because it's all this stuff of like like I got asked so often like oh, say an album and blah blah, and it's like like my first album, Like this is the first time I made an album, you know what I mean, Like like I was figuring it out and so yeah, it's not this thing where where it's like this my first album. I I like, you put everything into it, and I take everything I've learned and all my experiences in life and in music, and

you try and make it as best you can. But like, jeez, we're all just figuring it out right. Arts never finished, it's just abandoned something like that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. For sure. Where you're at in your career right now, you're you're raising the Monaco Grand Prix, You're very far ahead. Do you feel successful or are you at the place that you want to do arrive at? Or does the finish line keep moving for you? For sure? Yeah? Yeah,

it does, it keeps moving. Yeah, of course I think. Yeah, I'm not I'm just not good at processing big victories, like even even last week, I was like the first Irish artist to get an actual number one in Ireland and a long time, and I was just kind of like, alright, cool, I'm a manager, was like, oh ha, it's funny how you just like couldn't care less. And I was like, no, I care more than anybody. Like I care more than anybody.

But the second it hits that point where I did it, I'm like, cool, sweet, like what's next in the least sort of like corny motivational speaker way possible, I'm just like like I'm thinking about something else. Now. If I did that, that's lovely, but I'm not here to spend a day like celebrating myself and patting myself on the back.

I'm just not into it. So like, yeah, like I do this because I need to do it and because it lives in me, but like by no means I'm by somebody who seeks attention at all, Like yeah, like I like to do the show and then hide, Like yeah, it's just I'm not one for kind of being like, oh I did this thing, and like let's celebrate this achievement. I was like no, Like you can't get cut up in it either, too, because last week with that number one, it was like, okay, cool, I'm number one, But like

you've got to be carefully. You start chasing number one's music changes and you lose your way a little bit. I think on my last question, I don't wanna take up too much more of your time. I've been You're good asking this of everybody, and it's so fascinating to me. Everybody's different answers. If you could snap your fingers and have everything go back to two normal in terms of of COVID, whatever your definition of normal is, maybe this time in twenty nineteen, what would be the first thing

that you would do? Places you go, people you'd hug, oh, places i'd be allowed go. I've probably come back here. Honestly, I just do what I'm doing right now. Yeah, yeah, like yeah, I would not. You know what I'm most excited about is We've got these shows in summer one hopefully in Ireland, and it's like twenty people each night,

and and I'm just like that, I don't know. Something's gonna come along someday and I'll be like, okay, cool, dar, what you're doing well now, like this is potentially actually successful. And I don't know. Things like that feel huge to me. But if if everything was normal right now, honestly, like

boring answer, but I'd come back to this room. I'd actually just be here, like I spent enough time in the last three years whish and I was home anyway, not in a bad way, like I love Tore more than anybody, And when there's work to be done, I'll be there doing it. But like the house I'm in currently, like I'm I'm about to start a battle of trying to get planning permission next door, like I I want to live a simple life and just live here in this field and it'll be fine. So um, I would.

I would be back here if I was allowed. You're a songwriter through and through man, Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, trying to keep it that way. DeRemer Kennedy, thank you so much for your time today. It's been such a pleasure. Thanks man, No, of course, thank you. We hope you enjoyed this episode of Inside the Studio Home Edition, a

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