Well, I hate to open the shows like this, but I don't know what else to push at a sinner. Yikes, Hey, it was sixteen to sixteen, and then the coaches got their panties in a lot and then just well you kind of heard it. Not a very good night for the Kansas basketball Jayhawks to take lost number one of the season and Maui and really put the icing on the diarrhea cake that we've had of sports here in the last few days. Which you know, whenever you root for the teams we
root for, there's more good days than bad days. But really, a sucky, sucky weekend slash early part of the week in sports to propel us into Turkey Day, which is the worst of the major holidays. This is inside the paint. How about that take? I'm Ryan Lander, I am Nick Timberlake's defense, which means I shouldn't be here because I don't exist, And I am Parker Brown. Oh gosh, it's already rough enough doing a
podcast at eleven fifty five at night, but this is even worse. So you're gonna get an abbreviated show today because we're just gonna talk Kaye Marquette. There's very little else to recap with other games. You don't really care now that Kansas has been eliminated from the championship side of the bracket and the Malimitational, and the Jayhawks reward for that is they get to play another top ten team to try to avoid losing back to back games. And that team has
an even better defense than the one that they just played. If you look at the numbers, the best way to counter good defense is by making threes. Well, well, at least Kansas can do that in bunches number four Marquette a lot number one. Kansas fewer because we are doing this in the second half of the game and this game is over, but we don't know if I'll score yet. Yeah, it's about a ten to fifteen point l for Kansas in Honolulu, as this is the third consecutive try that they will
not win their Feast Week tournament. They have not won since the last time they were in Maui, which was in twenty nineteen. They almost lost that one when they got datoned and still survived in overtime. Now they go down to Marquette and the fighting Shaka smarts. I guess let's start with that boy,
Shaka smart, little feisty little bastard today. Huh. Yeah, he's one of the few coaches that has consistently beat Bill self, and by consistently, I mean like more than one or two times, because he is one of the few men to do that. So Shaka got to Texas in sixteen, and I do not believe that he beat Kansas until nineteen. Then he swept him in twenty one. So that's a record of three and nine,
which is pretty good for a Big twelve coach against Bill self. But then he gets one here, and he got one the VC one was infamous, obviously, So five and nine is Shaka against Bill self, and he's beaten him three times in a row. The Jayhawks haven't beaten Shaka Smart since the day before the Chiefs won the Super Bowl. I actually think that it may have been the day after. I think it was the day after because they
it was in right at the beginning of twenty twenty. They played a real sleepy game with Texas at Allen Field House the day after winning the Super Bowl because nobody cared about basketball at that moment. And yeah, how about that little shouting match at half corn or what was that? That's definitely not the most important thing from this game. But that's what I'm choosing a lead off
with till I get final stats in front of me. How about that, Nick, what did you make of the shenanigans and tom foolery between the coaches? That was weird to me. I didn't see how that happened. And it started with Hunter Dickinson flopping and then progressed into I don't know, some some sort of altercation. Shaka Smart has always been a whiney loser. Tonight you just happened to be a winner against Bill self, which kind of stinks. But I mean, I don't Understan, I don't understand it. Just
go to go to your sidelines. In the timeout, I didn't hear what happened, but it seemed extracurricular for no reason. I meant, Timberlake just got swatted into the first row. Not quiet, but it was really embarrassing. That's the way the game ends, folks, is Nick Timberlake getting swatted in the paint, which means you get a final talk up, you get a final score. Now number four Marquette seventy three, number one Kansas fifty
nine wouldn't be a Kansas loss without scoring less than sixty. And it also wouldn't be a Kansas loss without your favorite and mine Landon. And you said that this was a very last year Kansas loss. And here's what last year Kansas losses look like. Forty one percent from the floor, thirty five percent from three, fifty six percent from the line, out rebounded, and eighteen turnovers. Yeah, and you had one and a half capable scores, which
is what last year's team struggled the most with. And then it was always Jalen Wilson. And then you'd get a little something out of someone else, whether that's Grady dick or Dewan Harris might put in a few or whoever it may be, and then after that just nothing. And that's exactly what happened tonight. Kevin mccullor had a great night. He had twenty four and eight. He did have six turnovers, but he was the only one actually doing
much of anything. Hunter Dickinson gave you thirteen and eight, which is pretty solid, and after that no one had more than five. So yeah, not good. Bad free throw shooting, bad three point shooting, bad overall shooting, terrible with the ball in their hands, lots of turnovers only seventeen assists, which, to be fair, seventeen assists on twenty two baskets is still not that bad in and of it elf. But yeah, a very
lackluster offensive showing. And the reward now for Kansas is they're gonna play another top ten team in Tennessee, a team that it feels like we see him play every single year now, and that game's at eight thirty in the morning, Hawaii time, which feels pretty gross. That seems like an appropriate punishment considering how this game went. Game's gonna be what is that one thirty or twelve thirty or something like that here in Kansas. That's that's an early afternoon
basketball game. Sounds sounds like ass if we're being totally honest, I'm gonna have that on well, helping my mom make pies. Hey, you know what, hopefully your pies turn out better than there is there a basketball is round like the don't let Nick Timberlake touch the pies, I guess, is what I'm trying to say. Yeah, because that was bad, all right, So immediate reaction on this game, because normally we have you know, polished notes, we have detailed things we want to talk about. We don't
have that day, so I'm gonna hit you with this. Jayhawk players not named Kevin McCuller and Hunter Dickinson, Well they scored. Let's see, what is those two combined for thirty seven? So everybody else had twenty one points? Yeah, twenty two, thank you. Twenty two points. Eight baskets. Eight baskets from players not named Dickinson and McCuller. Nick, we talked
about this. Kayu's got a really really good top half of the roster, but when those guys aren't having all world performances, well you get this. Yeah, you mentioned it earlier tonight, but it's very apparent that, you know, Johnny Furfey and Nicholas Timberlake are two very important pieces to this team. The depth has been a concern and is a huge It is a bigger problem without Arterio Morris, and yeah, it was just exacerbated. It's been
exacerbated throughout the seat start of this season. And luckily Kansas has been able to have played inferior opponents but also get a lot from Hunter Dickinson. And that didn't really happen as much tonight. Dwan Harris was kind of a no show offensively four points and that that is a result, and you have you have you look at the stats and you Nick Timberlake has five points, Johnny Furfey has five, you know, ten points between the two with as big
of an impact you need him to make. And against a team like Marquette who was very quick and plays at a fast pace and was able to score in spurts tonight, Kansas was not able to answer that, partly due to Nick Timberlake and Johnny Furfey and and just the turnovers. I know we'll get into that, but but wow, what a momentum killer offensively the amount of times they turned the ball over just just unforced errors. So we've seen.
My glass half full opinion on this is we've seen in the past Kansas lose these around this time because our schedules so brutal. They almost never make it through even November on skate at this point, and this tournament doesn't matter. I mean, there's we're gonna see four of the time seven teams in this final four, so three of them are gonna take El's Tennessee went down tomorrow. Somebody else in the top five is gonna go down. So by no
means it's the loss the problem. Kansas has a very good top four, and the guys that are struggling to get going are the role players. I think that's okay. I think the role players will get it. We remember Kansas losing, blowing the big lead, losing to Dayton a team that wasn't very good. That team wound up winning the national title a few months later. Once the role players got it going, and that we had questions about the rotation. We had questions about David McCormick, who we knew was going
to be a big piece for Kansas, not playing very well. We had questions about Remy Martin, who was a pivotal piece wound up being the most important role player on that team. Was he going to get the looks. I think the problems for this team, while still being pretty apparent, are less damning than in previous years because they're role players. All you need are
a couple of the those guys to just be a little bit better. I don't think you're asking guys to be something they're not in order for this team to get where it wants to go. But I do think a little bit more by the game that this season and how far they go in the tournament is going to hinge on Almarco Jackson, Johnny Furfey, and Nick Timberlake finding
somewhat of a groove. It's kind of like everybody in sports right now is talking about the Chiefs wide receivers after that debacle what we saw against the Eagles on Monday Night football. You don't need them to be six. Davante Adams is out there, as fun as that would be, You just need them
to not be a liability, be okay middle of the pack. If Timberlake, Furfey and Jackson can get there, and there's no reason that a blue chip five star recruit, a guy that's scored seventeen a night back to back years at twosand and a talented as hell seventeen year old, there's no reason you can't get competence from that group by mid January. You have no reason to think that this team won't be fine. But are you guys losing faith?
Through five games now, Timberlake has looked awful, Furfey has shown spurts but has been inconsistent, and Jackson has been pretty underwhelming. Are you guys losing the faith a little bit I am in a couple of the players. I am definitively a Nick Timberlake. He has been so so not good. Furfy's just a weird wild card. And they're like, I don't know, just because he's so young, and you know he's playing, you know, only still his only first few games at this level, so I have no
idea what he might become. Almarco Jackson I think is pretty clearly not a scorer. Again if theoretically he shouldn't have to be, but he also isn't. I don't think he's a guy you can rely on in any way to pick you up if you're having an off scoring night. I don't think he's a guy you can go to to get a random ten or twelve on a night where you're struggling otherwise offensively. And I want to see more of Jamar McDowell. He did go one of five, which is not great either.
I still like the way he plays and kind of the way he fits in the offense. And Billsoeff doesn't play him a ton. He did play him ten minutes against Marquette. But yeah, I'm I'm I'm concerned because I don't see a lot of incredible dynamic play from these guys, Yet there's a lot of time to figure it out. Marquette is a very good team, but I think there are some real concerns about that group. Nick, what do you think? Yeah, I don't. I think it's a little earlier to
push the panic button, particularly with you know, Nicholas Timberlake. It's gonna take some time for him to get adjusted from a you know, team like tousand to Kansas. We've seen Katie players in the past to take a little bit longer to just feel confident and start seeing shots fall. So I'm not there is time to panic, but I am not on the Nicholas Timberlake is
completely a lost cause. I don't think really when anyone is arguing that, there's just a lot of you know, worry about him being him being a dud. But I think a bigger concern might be Parker Brown, how bad he how bad he's I just don't think he's good at all. Nicholas Timberlake has shown that he's good. Parker Brown hasn't shown anything in his career. He wasn't good at Santa Clara. What makes you think he's gonna be good
at Kansas. So you know, that's that's just really unfortunate how little depth this team does when you look at a team like Marquette who has so much depth and was really able to keep their speed and paster Kansas the entire game, even when Kansas put had to put their subs in who have been so
less so so so much worse than we thought there would be. And yeah, this is just a result of you know, you can't expect sixty points from Hunter Dickinson, you know, Caja Adams and Kevin mccoller every single night, and it is it is, like I said, a little early in the season, a lot of things can get sorted out. Marquet's a very good team, but they've got to find offense somewhere. The defense has been pretty bad early to start this year as well, So just a lot to
work on. And obviously with teams, you know, picking up a lot of transfers and freshmen, it does take time to gel and put the pieces all together. And obviously confidence in both soft he always gets sit done. But yeah, just an early season game that kind of exposed the warts that we saw in the Illinois exhibition, in the Kentucky game where they had to come back. I don't think I think, I don't think it's huge worry
yet, but definitely a disappointing loss to it well. And so this game had a real defining moment, and it was always going to be about effort and intensity, especially whenever you're so far away from home and it's early in the season and you're playing a couple games in a couple of days, where
the energy is starting to run out. But Kevin mccullor hit the three in front of the bench to make it thirty three to twenty eight after Kansas had fell behind it, and then they pushed back, and that triggered the time out by Marquette. And that was whenever Kevin McCuller was kind of popping off in front of the bench, Shaka Smart looked like he told him to shut the f up, and then the coaches got involved. Bill self and Shaka Smart had a little pissing contest, and at that moment, right there,
you knew, Okay, tensions are high, energy's high. Let's see what happens. Marquette responded, Kansas didn't score the rest of the half. That was the game closest to gut. The rest of the way after that was nine, like or I guess it was eight really quick in the second half. But then I mean Kansas was buried pretty quickly in the second half. Marquette, like the cliche they wanted it more is a little bit old, but Marquette looked like a team that just flat out cared about this game more.
The careless turnovers by Kansas, and this is what Marquette does. We talked about how good Kansas looked like, how they looked like they'd been playing together for a while, and I still think they do most times. But this was a team that is still coming into its own against the team that returned everybody from a very good season a year ago. And you saw how
that continuity looked on Marquette early in the season. This is a good test for Kansas, and they didn't come close to passing it, because at that point, after the double technicals, they were outscored by a lot and they were really never in the game, all right, Just to get a couple guys out of the way here. Kevin mccullor was great. Twenty four points, nine for fourteen from the floor, made a couple threes, eight rebounds, three assists, did not get a triple double, and did have six
turnovers, but nothing you can complain about there. Don't think there's much to analyze. Also, love his trash talking. It looked like that he and Shaka Smart were laughing and smiling with each other in the postgame presser. Shaka's pretty happy when he wins, and all he blew by Bill self pretty fast. But I think the only real beef in this game between anybody is between
the two head coaches. And then there's also Hunter Dickinson, who had thirteen points and eight rebounds, came out of the gate hot had seven and four through the first five minutes, and then Marquette just shut him down. There really wasn't a whole lot to analyze with this. They used their speed and they had a six to eleven NBA caliber big there that his athleticism challenged Dickinson.
Some bad passes led to some not so great moments there as well, and overall Dickinson was a non factor the last however, many minutes of the game. I don't think we have much to say about either one of these guys. Right, they're both the two best players on the team. They both were the two best players tonight, They're gonna be fine. We don't need to spend any time at midnight our time analyzing their games, right, No, both or Dickinson gets shut down. McClure was great, but yeah,
nothing really that especially stands out. Not the problem they lost, not the reason they lost necessarily. All right, then let's move on to the two guards, because this is this is turning into a legitimate problem here. Nicholas Timberlake had five points, which was more than Almarco Jackson, which was more than Johnny Furfey. Are actually the same number as Johnny Furfey. But
he was terrible. You saw the miss dunk, You saw the two miss free throws, You saw the wide open miss layup that once that went out, that was really could have cut it to eleven a little bit later. That was really the dagger. Also had a shot block at the end. Just doesn't look like he is a power five caliber player at this point. Johnny Furfey did some really good things in the second half whenever Kansas was kind
of treading water. Didn't do a whole lot on offense, five points, four rebounds, made a late three that took him from two to five. But he was the best of the three. El Marco Jackson no points, three assists over four from the floor started a couple of turnovers led to a couple more Nick, where do you analyze these guys that none of them are where we need them to be at this point for Kansas to be as good
as they want. But overall, I you just kinda take the floor and run with it with with these guys because I don't know where to start. Yeah, I don't really know if this is a straightforward answer. At this point, they just haven't been good. They can't haven't been able to score.
You know that when Kansas has gone to the subs and Hunter Dickinson and Kevin McClure get rest, these guys are coming in and you just hope they can plug the gap a little bit, but they you know, the defense hasn't been there either, So I I I, yeah, I don't know how much more you just analyze it. That's just these these guys are off to a shaky start to start this season, all of them. And it's understandable for guys that are mechal Omarco Jackson and obviously Jamari McDowell. Those are
two guys that freshman still learning what it's like to play college basketball. But I mean, Nick Timberlake's been doing this for a while, different level of competition, I think, But it's it's it's unexplainable how poor his game has been, not just with threes, Like three point shooting has always been and always will be a streaky, uh streaky thing for even the best shooters at times, especial when you're trying to get comfortable and settled in in a new
system. So that's that's not the lone concern, many other concerns in Nick timber Lakes. He's not a great defender. He doesn't really contribute offensively outside of you know, shooting the ball, making plays for others. Just is kind of out there on the floor, similar to the Parker Brown just out there on the floor and and not just not not a good not a good
look for Kansas for the stage performance. So landon to bring up the Chiefs wide receiver example one more time, uh Mark Wes Valdez Scantling sucked, Sky Moore sucked, Cadarius Tony sucked, Justin Watson sucked. They were all bad, but Valdez Scantling is the one everyone's talking about, right. He had the biggest, most consequential drop of the game, and he makes the most
money. He's the veteran, like, there's reasons why people are talking about him more, even though the sheer quantity of his game impacting plays may not necessarily be the highest. I feel like we're kind of doing the same thing here with Timberlake. None of these guys have been very good, but Timberlake feels like the one that people are easily the harshest on. I don't know
if it's because he's a fifth year senior. I don't know if it's because he was thought to do the thing that Kansas needs the most right now, which is shooting. I don't know if that's I don't know exactly what the reason is, But do you think that's kind of a fair comparison. He is the one that fans are the most taken aback by the fact that he
hasn't been very good. Yeah, I think that's I think that is actually a pretty good calm because with mcdoll and Furfey, there was both kind of an expectation going into this year that even if those guys were good, that it was there was there was a pretty reasonable amount of expectation that those guys would take at least time to actually get going to actually kind of figure it
out. And that's been the case Jackson. People similar just because he's he's a you know, freshman, people did have some expectation for him, and largely he's been very solid. This is easily his worst game of the season. But yeah, Timberlake is a guy that played and shot the ball really well at the college level, even at the Power five level, at the D one college level, and we've seen those guys transfer other places and be good, and he has been very not good in pretty much all facets.
I think that's also the other thing is that not only does he I think have the least excuse to be bad, it's also been the most like comprehensive bad performances from Timberlake. He can't defend, he's not shot well at all, and pretty much he's done nothing else particularly well. He doesn't create, he's not in the right position a lot of the time. Like he's just
a guy. He's just truly almost has done nothing well outside of that first game where he had he did have like what thirteen points against n C Central or something like that. He was solid in that game. Otherwise it's almost literally been a nothing burger from him. One for twelve, four more games, one for twelve, It might be one for eleven. I don't know
which one it is. I think it's actually one for eleven from three as Nick timber Lake since game one and the one make was a three and the in the late moments of a game, but they were just getting shredded in. They looked for his help against Kentucky, didn't get it. They looked for his help against against Marquette, didn't get it when they need when it
really was there. It's the guy that shot combined six threes and then seven threes in each of the last two seasons per game and made over forty percent of them, Like this was a really good three point shooter. And I still think it will happen. I'm not saying he's going to be the greatest player it's ever worn the Crimson in Blue. I do think that he'll get there. A lot of guys have started slow. Plenty of those guys have wound up being just fine, and this was just a brutal tournament. But
they obviously need him to get better. They are going to need him if they want to play well against Tennessee. I said at the beginning of the game on Twitter that this doesn't feel like a game Kansas wins if they get no shooting from Furfeet and from Timberlake, and neither of those two made a three until they were down by fifteen in the second half. So that explains
your l McDowell. It was perplexing how he has been the most consistent in the least amount of minutes of any of the guys that's played the two this year, and he can't get on the floor in the first sixteen minutes of the second half as he has three points. He made a three in the first half, had a couple of assists. He was by no means spectacular, but he at least seems to stop the bleeding. I don't remember watching
McDowell actively make things worse. I watched el mar Rko Jackson lose a ball out of bounce, then let one bounce off his hands and go out of bounds. I watched Timberlake miss every type of shot you can make. I don't know. We're not concerned about Jackson, not really. He's just a freshman working things out. Tough matchup for him, Yeah, I think I don't think I'm too worried about that. Nick, Are you? Are you overly worried about now Marco Jackson here? No. I think I expected a
little bit more from him to start the season. But I, like I said, freshman are gonna freshman. It's gonna take a little bit for him to get more comfortable. I think shooting for him is going to be an issue as well, but I have seen some promising things at least if anyone's going to step up and play the two guard, well, I feel more comfortable with him over Nick Timberlake. Right now, it felt like Marquette was just drowning Kansas in threes. And I look at the score and I see
twenty four percent, like they shot sixty percent on two. A team with Hunter Dickinson should never get absolutely buried with points in the paint. But that's exactly what happened to night. Dickinson's seven to two, and he was nowhere near the best big in this game. That that distinction would go to OsO Igudoro, who looks like Trace Jackson Davis, kind of plays like Trace Jackson Davis and just shreded Kansas ANBA player for sure, yep, twenty nine for
him. The three point shooting. They came out of the gates real hot and then went cold. But oh boy, did they get a couple of them when they really had to have them, holding off of Kansas run in the very last moments of the of the game actually being close. Enter Ben Gold six eleven from me in a minute, six eleven from New Zealand and shooting twenty nine percent on threes in his career, and he steps up to the plate and knocks two out of two out of the park. And they
were swishes too. They were nothing but net NBA range threes. And that was the final metaphorical knockout for Kansas. Only other guy we haven't talked about, aside from the the human embodiment of a flag, which is Parker Brown. You know whenever he goes in the game, that Bill self has just given up. Uh. But Dewan Harris played really poorly. Four points, three assists, two turnovers, just two for eight from the floor. I'm not gonna say Dewan Harris got exposed. I think to one Harris's lack of
strength got exposed in this game. Marquette's got some pretty legit dudes in their in their back court, and he just looked a lot smaller and a lot weaker than these guys. We're not too concerned. I'm sure he's allowed to have a bad game, But overall, this was this was apparent that Marquette hits you with a lot of athleticism and a lot of speed with their guards.
We talked about this would have been a nice game for Artario Morris's playing style if he was here, and instead you get an unathletic Timberlake and inexperienced Furfy and Jackson out there. Then the point guard golds cold and Dodnter Dickinson gets taken away, and I'm not sure what other what other options they even
had at that point. Yeah, Harris, I agree he had an off night in general, But yeah, I think his lack of strength and lack of athleticism definitely is a bad matchup against this Marquete team who is very strong and very athletic in their backcourt. So yeah, a bad matchup. But yeah, I don't think that really means much of anything. I mean, what else really is there to talk about here? kJ Adams had three point curiousists. He can't rebound the ball. That's also kind of a problem.
Yeah, that's another player where the lack of shooting. And I know no one's ever expected kJ Adams to shoot the ball, but like when you just have another guy out there who isn't gonna make shots, that's a tough way to play against this kind of team because that's like you'll see it against West Virginia and KU. Teams that have beaten West Virginia and played well against them largely have been able to make shots. Because that's a way that you can
break the press is you get down the floor quickly. You break that press quickly, You get the ball to the wing or to the corner, and you make shots or you just go for dunks. And to add on to that example, West Virginia never has a four or a five that can make
threes. How many times have we seen that twenty eighteen Kansas team that started a guy like Sphema kay, look as they're four next to dok Essentially, I know that spe was a three, but by all measures, you have Vic and Sphee playing the three in the four who could make threes against the West Virginia front courts of Derrek Culver, Sagobab Khanate Oscar Shebwe all very good rebounders and shot blockers. But what happened. Kansas sped them up and they
stretched the floor. Those guys couldn't keep up. They were matching twos with threes, and we've seen that happen. I think that's a good comp But other than that, not a lot more to analyze here with the KU box score. I mean, Nick, do you think that this loss is a harbon things to come for the Jayhawks? Do you think it's a one off? Do you think it's somewhere in the middle. I think it's somewhere in the middle. I think there is room to be concerned about this team.
But you know, depth is we knew it was going to be an issue. It was just exposed but in the forefront, and I was more what I've come away from this game a little bit more worried about than I did coming into this game, was that KU's with offense has had its worths at times. But how they were able to be so disrupted by Marquette's defense tonight and really just not be able to match their athleticism was a little bit of a shock to me. I know that that Marquette liked to run it a
little bit more than Ku. This isn't the fastest Kansas team that's ever hit the floor, but they were really just broke, broken apart by Marquette's defense. And then in transition, it seemed like, you know, Ku was very rushed towards the end of the game trying to get sets going, and Marquette's defense really challenged a lot of that deflected a lot of I haven't seen
a defense that active against Kayu in a while. And then Kau similarly on the offensive end, just like I said, could not find ways to get the ball moving. It was it was sticking the entire game. So that is a little bit of a concern. You know, shots are eventually gonna fall, but how can you get those looks? They didn't get very many good looks in this game. That's why they only scored. Uh, That's why they scored less than sixty points. So uh, I think I think
that's my biggest takeaway is that it's very concerning. The offense really isn't opening yep yet, But I trust Bill self that the sets that he's running and the guys that are in this cast. You know, Nicholas Timberlake, shooters are shooters. He's gonna get to where he needs to be. I think you gotta worry about the rest of it though, Parker Brown big liability when
Hunter Dickens not in the not in the game. And again, it's all gonna come down to the success of this team this season is gonna come down to can they get production outside of Hunter Dickinson At Kevin mccoller tonight, they like Lann Ryan said, they did not pass that test. There's gonna be times the season they aren't going to pass that test. The depth just isn't there. But can they weather the storm and find guys who do step up
in the meantime that's to be determined. They played a really good team tonight, though you can't take away too much more than that. It's a November basketball game. I know KU fans on Twitter are probably gonna say, oh man, they lost play fourteen. Don't overthink it, seriously, don't overthink the games this early. We saw something similar, you know, and the November Tournament against Gonzaga a few years ago they got exposed. So this is
what you expect, you know, Marquette particularly. I think the really benefited Marquette in this game is that they did run fast and they were able to disrupt Kansas, and especially in a very young college basketball season, just having that strength over a team is a really controllable factor in a game. So that's my takeaways. I think it's easy to I think it's easy to look at the box score and say, yeah, kay, you got their caught
with their pants down. I don't. I'm not looking too much into this game, though. What's it k You fans can make fun of Shaka and he is a dork and he's easy to dislike, but his style has been pretty effective against Kansas. Even in games where Kansas has beaten his teams, they've still succome to a lot of turnovers. We thought that this game when Landa and I said it on last night's podcast, We thought that this game was gonna come down to a clash of styles. And in the first few
minutes, Kansas had some success. Whenever it wasn't an up and down the floor track meet, they established Hunter Dickinson and they were right there. It was tight. Then after that, whenever Marquette was able to eliminate Dickinson from being a touch the ball on every possession sort of guy. With their sped up offense and their defense that started forcing turnovers before Kansas could get the ball
down to the big guy. Well, that's whenever Marquette started dictating control of the pace, and Kansas is just not going to win those type of games with their current makeup. I think this was about as bad of a matchup as you could possibly have for Kansas. A really experienced team that plays lightning fast and forces a lot of turnovers, and Kansas is going to use their style against a lot of teams to a point where it's going to frustrate them
with wear them down, use Dickinson. That's what they did to Kentucky down the stretch. They really implemented their style in that game and they ultimately won. No, I don't think this opens up a lot of eyes. I think they got beat by a team that is one went away from being the number one team in the country for good reason. But I do think that you're looking at a matchup that's going to be the most challenging type of matchup
for Kansas this year. A team that is athletic, a team that is fast and a team that forces turnovers because Dickinson, whenever he has the ball in his hand, is going to be pretty reliable. If you can cut the head off the dragon and block a lot and prevent a lot of those outlet passes, well, then you're banking on the arsenal of shooters in quotes to beat you. That's not gonna happen at this stage in the season. I guess Landa, that's probably a fair way to word it. Yeah,
I think I think that is pretty fair. Ideally for Kansas, you could survive a night where Dickinson gives you a still for most big men, a perfectly solid outing with thirteen and eight for Hunter Dickinson, that is certainly under what we've already come to expect of him. But yeah, the depth on this team is, you know, is the biggest concern. I think there
are real concerns there. I don't think this affects like the idea that Kansas is still very very good team and has a national title in them potentially, I think they definitely do. But I do think this is the kind of game you look at and like, yep, if Kansas is going to lose in the tournament. That's how right there, That's how they're gonna lose, And I think that makes a lot of sense. That doesn't mean they're going to I think they have all the time in the world to figure some of
this out. Maybe they very well will, but not a great look. Definitely not a great look. Very odd to see them look borderline kind of surprised by the pace and speed and pressure of Marquette, even when that's shocks whole deal. I don't really know what was going on there. Very odd to see that. But it's a learning thing. You know. You take a loss like this in Maui, a tournament you would have liked to win, but ultimately does not mean anything in the course of your total season.
So I think a good learning experience. I don't think they're going to be caught off guard like that again. Hopefully those get more scoring next time. Here's a funny stat that I just decided to look up, and this is wild. So Devin Booker has been playing in the NBA for eight years. He has thirteen thousand points. He's made over forty five hundred shots. He is less than two years older than Nicholas Timberlake. They are twenty months apart,
and Devin Booker is in his eighth season as an NBA player. Wow, how long if they played one on one and Devin Booker got to one hundred, how many would Timberlake get to five? Zero? Hey he had five to so you know, is one Devin Booker roughly equal to Marquette in one on one? Yeah? I think so. Yeah. Gross final numbers for Kansas. They are quite ugly. As I clicked off of them.
I'm sure you're sad. Forty one percent from the floor, thirty five percent from three to fifty six percent from the floor, minus three on the glass and minus six and turnovers. And they also had well, they had a dust up and responded by scoring no points the rest of the half. So chuck one up. On the other side of the they always get fired up about Bill. Okay, great other games, Well there really isn't very much.
Because Landon and I were just here last night, we could talk a little bit about Maui as the other semi final was very close, much closer than the one that our favorite team was in. Number two per Due puts the other yet another comeback. They take down number seven Tennessee seventy one to sixty seven in a game that took way too damn long. Fifty one fouls were called in this game, and a total of an impossible, incredible seventy
eight free throws were shot in a game that was forty minutes. Oh don't you think that the officials, in their blindness couldn't find their way to Hawaii? They sure did. Wow. What an incompetent group of fools. I can't believe that this is what college basketball has become. Purdue shot forty eight free throws. Well, at least I won't have to watch Foster Lawyer score forty eight points against Kansas. Yeah, he scored twenty seven in this one.
He was almost there. Purdue was down at halftime. Zacheaty was good, but Foster Lawyer was the was the key. He scored twenty seven points for the boiler Makers. The Jayhawks will play a Tennessee team that shot just thirty three percent from the floor. Hey, this is gonna be the best fifty five to fifty third place game our eyeballs I've ever seen. They seem like they played Tennessee every single time. But we'll talk more about that in
a little bit. Just they Yeah, and Kansas screwed it up. We were all set to watch Dickenson and Edie go head to head and all they had to do was not do that, and they did. Yeah. I do think that fifty five fifty game is going to be like having the best COVID case I've ever had. And hey, guys, you know what, so all these fun games are going on. We had multiple top ten showdowns
today. The Blue Devils of Duke they did not play in a Thanksgiving week tournament that you may have heard of, but it's a pretty big one. It's got a lot of marque in it. It's called the Blue Devil Challenge and it takes place at Cameron in North Stadium. They played LaSalle today. Yeah, they played LaSalle and actually handed them their first loss. And then they will continue the Blue Devil Challenge on Black Friday when they play a one
in four Southern Indiana team also at Cameron Indoor. Man really just a gauntlet, that's what they do. Other MALLI scorers number eleven. Gonzaga beat Syracuse by nineteen. They clearly were the best team and the losers half of the bracket. They are going to play for fifth place. Tomorrow against UCLA, who predictably ran Shamanad out of the gym. I think it was twenty six to four at one point, and they wound up winning by about what Kansas
beat him by by twenty eight. Shamanad is going to play Syracuse and probably will lose there for last place. The Mali Tournament, I feel like has gone. If Kansas had beat Marquette, I think every single piece of it would have pretty much gone exactly how you thought it was gonna go. Gonzaga loses to Purdue but rolls through their losers bracket, and Tennessee loses, and Kansas and Perdue being the final two, like Kansas's, everything was exactly what
we thought all the way up in so Kansas. Yeah, I think the Kansas Marqueque result is the only surprising result at this point. There's only one top twenty five team to lose that did not play in the Malli Tournament. Today and in his number eighteen, Colorado, The Fighting Dion's went down at home to Florida States seventy seven to seventy one. That was in what's called the Sunshine Slam. Is the Sunshine Slam event closer to being the best named
or the worst named event ever worst. Yeah, I think it is closer to worst. So you guys think it's ass all right, I got it. Ranked teams to lose since the last show. Oh no, oh, I don't want to start with this one, but I think we have to because the highest ranked team to lose since the last show, Number one Kansas got whitewashed by Marquette. Number seven Tennessee, they lose by four to Purdue. In number eighteen Colorado, they lose to Florida State. Look at us,
no notes and everything still got it in order, folks. They say that you can't do things this well improvised. Well, the three of us at Inside the Pain have never seen a challenge that we didn't like taking on. We are unstoppable. We are Tyler Kullak, Uh Who's who's the white dude that made the threes? Ben Gold, Ben something, Ben Gold and Uh and the big ridiculous center. That's the three of us right now. We are just just call us Uh, Ryan Kullak, Nicholas Gold, Landondaro
brother. All right, Well, Landon can also make threes against the jay Birds. That's too bad. Anything good in the Big Twelve happened. It's twelve thirty five in the morning, and I'm over here being like, did West Virginia lose today? Let's see uh TCU beat TCU beat Alcorn State by a lot? Oh hey, ernest Ude almost quadrupled his season averaging points by scoring four. Well, that would have been more than Parker Brown scored. Oh my damn god. I am just realizing we have to watch another Santiago
Vescovie Kansas game. You have to be freaking kidding me. How is this possible? He's going to do bad things. I'm going to do bad things to myself by watching that happen. I mean, I can just see it coming from here. What is okay? Kansas Tennessee twenty twenty two. They played in the Atlantis Final last year. Kansas scored a nice crisp fifty points that day. By the way, Santonio Vescovie went for a Tennessee high twenty points, including five threes. Get ready, Kansas, It's it's coming again.
Ask Rock Chalk Blog. Just kidding. We don't have any questions, so I'll just ask you guys a nonsense one. How many times would the five of us lose if we played an average girls high school team ten times? How many what would we average? You cut out for like one word, how many losses we play a ten average high school girl teams? One? No, the answer is all of them. We lose them all, at least eight. How are you think we're beating two fifty percentile women's high
school teams? Yes, probably not, but there's a chance. No, I tell you what would happen. Land and Timberlake and Nicholas Furfey would go out there and we would make absolutely nothing the whole night. We have a better chance of getting held under ten points than we do of beating an average high school girls team. I think we'd score ten, I hope. Is that what you say about Timberlake? Now? I mean I think he might score ten at some point. I do not think Nick Timberlake will score ten
all season, really, the rest of the season. Really, really, I bet in one of the next three games complete lost cause hot dog water. Oh that's sad. I hope not. I hope I'm really wrong. That'd be good, But I think I think he's just that bad. Maybe you think Nick Timberlake will not score ten points in any game the rest of the season, That is crazy. Yeah, I think there's a good chance
he doesn't. All right, you want to hear my you want to hear my call here, Nick Timberlake will score double digit points seven times the rest of the year, and that is more likely than doing it zero times. He already had one. He won every four games, that's about seven a year. Yeah, but he's been worse since the first game. Yeah, yeah, I mean if he didn't do it against Shamana, that's that seems overreactionary as hell. Okay, Landon what has a higher chance of happening the
rest of the season. Kevin mccullor gets another triple double. Or Nick Timberlake scores fifteen points in a game. Nick Timberlake scores fifteen is more likely, but it's more likely Nick Timberlake scoring over ten points in five games. Or Landing went on a date. I knew that was coming. I could see that the first one. I can see that coming up. Well, I'm really really sorry. Oh darn it. How is there no bye bye bye drop on this freaking soundboard? That is all I want? There's one called
Donald Trump as potus question mark. When I looked up bye Bye Bye, I am officially running. That's a drop? Are you kidding me? But I can't get the bye bye bye thing. Wow, that's that's booty cheeks. All right, I am officially running, is what Nick tim Blake is gonna say after practice next week. That's okay, that's pretty funny. I mean it's midnight and we're just screwing around here. So what you're saying is, whenever Nick Timberlake sees a somewhat athletic player that he has to guard,
he says, I am official, and then they lose. That's also very good. How is there no in sync drops? Just time to google and sync songs? Gosh, that's so so great. That ears off is one something that Nick Timberlake will never hear the netd oh, yeah, that's a good one. Is there a basketball swish sound effect? Let's see here. Okay, that's definitely not what that is. No, that's okay. The soundboard absolutely, this absolutely sucks. It makes me ill, is how I
feel of how watching Nick Timberlake play. That's when no strings attached? That is that is that in sync? I have no idea. My early two thousands of knowledge is zero. Would you rather watch Nick Timberlake play or Marcus Garrett. Marcus, Oh my gosh, Oh what a great landing question. Landing your lying that's not true. I don't know. I would want Marcus Garrett to lead my team, but at least he could score. And what if you were watching Marcus five Marcus Garrett to play five Nicholas timber Lakes.
I wouldn't do that. I would do anything else, anything else. Oh no, that the Nick Timberlake team is never scoring a single point against five Marcus Garrett's Like, I know, Marcus Garrett wasn't our favorite player, but Marcus Garrett, you could tie a hand behind his back and he would hold Nick Timberlake without points. Oh yeah, there's no way way that would Who would that would be an easy Who would win in a one one Dewan Harris
or Marcus Garrett? Oh, that's probably Garrett. Just because of size, I think I think Garrett his defensive ability, Harrison have a very difficult time scoring. Yeah, Garrett. Harris feels like the sort of player that would really really be locked in handcuffs with Garrett defending him. Garrett's bigger, Garrett's taller, and we saw Garrett put the clamps on people twice the one Harris's size, but I would take I would rather have Harris on my team.
Yes, and if you have any ascarcbs, use the x hashtag and navigate through all the bots that I have to deal with on a regular basis. I see if I can find a robot response. So I tweeted the Jayhawks Blues seventy three to fifty nine whatever, and I have oh nope. The normally the show more responses, the ones that it hides, the people that are that are not saying very nice things. Normally those are the bots.
But today it was just somebody talking about how shock is smart is an fit effing piece of Okay, we do have one question from at Kam Lippolt Golf RCB. Could a team of Tyan Grant Foster's mount to better comeback than what the Jayhawks just ry rallied they would have to they would have been down by a lot more. Yes, yep. What school is Tian Grant Foster playing? Porto? Is he still like Grand Canyon? That's right, Grand Canyon
University. I think Foster could make a shoot a basketball in the Grand Canyon. I would hope he could one Grand Canyon. Yes, yeah, not that one year. Tyan Grant Foster is averaging twenty one points per game through four games. He just had a twenty eight point game the other night against Gonzaga's vaunted opponent of death, San Francisco. So I definitely think that Tyan Grant Foster would be the sixth man on this team, as sad as that is to say, wow, that's probably true, Like I would how fast
would you trade Nick Timberlake? I mean you would be telling him, oh, really, that's what you would say to Nick Timberlake if you could trade him for tie On Grant Foster right now? Uh considered. Well, but I don't know if I would though, because I watched Tylon Grant Foster suck at Kansas before, and I've also I've known Nick Timberlake has been good at a group or at my mid major school, So it's basically the same,
probably as bad as Tyan Grant as Nick Timberlake has been this year. He made more threes in Game one as a Jayhawk as many threes in his first game that Tyon Grant Foster made all season. Yeah, So yeah, okay for real. Ascarcb's Twitter hashtag x hashtag tell Elon musk to get rid of the bots. All right, we do get a preview game, but it's not the one we won, and unfortunately because it is instead number seven Tennessee against number one Kansas and a game that will take place at one thirty pm.
It is for third place bronze battles for everybody super excited to watch this showdown between the Tennessee volunteers who are four and one. They took their first l today just like Kansas did. They lost to Purdue, Kansas losing to Marquette. Your thoughts on this game. We see this game every year and
it's always gross. Yeah, it's probably gonna be gross again. Tennessee led by Santiago Vescovi who against Purdue scored eight points on zero made shots awesome for ten from the free throw line that I don't know if I've seen that. Actually, that's pretty weird. Tennessee's best player is a white guy that's by the name of Dalton Neckt. He is from Colorado and he I believe is a transfer from one of those schools. Yeah, he transferred from Northern Colorado.
See, he was a guy that averaged a good chunk of points at a smaller school and then transferred to a Power five team and is doing well unlike the one the Jayhawks got. Because this guy's averaging thirty nine percent on his three pointers and nineteen points per game. He is their wing six six, so that is niche good luck with that. They got a couple white guys of the games. Boy, some of the names. I know Kansas has played Tennessee a lot, but I swear Josiah Jordan James has been there
for one hundred years. Just like, Yeah, we've seen these guys over and over and over again. And the names on this Tennessee team are pretty lee. You got Necked mayshack Vescovie, Josiah Jordan James, JP Estrella is a really good name, and Zachai Zeigler and Tennessee much like Marquette, they force a lot of turnovers. We saw them turn Gonzaga over a lot. We saw Purdue struggle to take the ball or to control the ball for most
of their game today against them, like Tennessee forces takeaways. Not great considering me just how the Jayhawks have eighteen. The Balls are a much better defensive team as always than they are offensive team. They are top fifteen nationally and points allowed per game this year, small sample size, but still they especially have very good interior defense. Kansas obviously wants to play through the post, so that's going to be, you know, something that that's worth monitoring.
Don't expect a high scoring, beautiful basketball game. It's probably not happening, even though the uniforms that Tennessee's been wearing are pretty good. Yeah, Nick, what are your what's your what's your thought here on this game? Do you think that jayhawkson get out of here with a win? Anything you're looking for? Yeah? I think Kansas is probably gonna win this game. I think that the matchup favors him a little bit more than a game against Marquette,
mainly because Tennessee is not as good offensively. I think that bodes well for Kansas. The game is going to be at a slower pace. I think KU going through Hunter Dickinson is going to be a little bit I have a little bit more of an opportunity instead of, you know, running back and forth in transition. I don't think that the athleticism, I think it's there for Tennessee, but to the extent that it was in the Marquete game. I don't think there'll be as pestered as much trying to get the ball
across mid court. I think it'll be a little bit easier, especially with the size differences. But I think this matchup does bid well for Kansas. I'm gonna be interested to see those matchups, particularly you know, Sky Ziegler against Dwan Harris. Think that should be a good, good, good matchup to see if Dwan Harris can do a good job of controlling him. But overall, I think KU is gonna win this game due to that presence of Hunter Dickinson. I don't think they dropped two in a row here in this
circumstance. Yeah, I think k you pulls one out and gets third place in the tournament. So Kansas, they're four and three against Tennessee all time, but they've lost their last two. They got blown out by Tennessee and each of the last two times that they've played them, one of them in Knoxville during the COVID year during Kansas is like seven out of eleven streak where they lost those games. And then they got trash pretty good in a tournament
last year in Atlantis that ruined their six and oh start. That was their only loss in their first I think seventeen games. It was their only loss till they lost that overtime game to ki A State in mid January last year. So Rick Barnes has had Bill Self's number a little bit, But overall I agree with Nick. I don't think Kansas is losing two in a row. I think Marquette was a brutal matchup. I think Tennessee's more their style, and I think Kansas is the best version of this style that exists in
college basketball. I'm betting under one Harrison Hunter Dickinson to bounce back a little bit. I think Kansas will protect the ball better, and I think that this is a little bit more in their element. Whenever the game's slower, it usually comes down to who's got the best big guy on the floor. The answer for that is Kansas protect the basketball, and I think they're just fine Jayhawks a little bit wider margin than some people think. They win seventy
six to sixty three. I'm halfway tempted to pick Tennessee, but Hunter Dickinson pulls me back in the other direction. So I'll say Kansas does not lose two in a row, even though I do think Tennessee's gonna give him a game, but I think Dickinson has a much better match up here. So I'll take Kansas to win sixty four to fifty eight. All right, so we're all going with Kansas, which went very well last time for us.
We have we have nine other games to pick. Actually, this is a fun The good part about being in the Mauley Tournament as you get your games over with before Thanksgiving and then you can enjoy some of the other tournaments in the later half of Thanksgiving week. So we begin with the championship game of this tournament, Number two Purdue versus number four Marquette for all the marbles at four o'clock on ESPN. Probably the winner of this game is number one in
the country. In the next ape pull, I would think, right, Purdue for sure, and Marquette probably leaps to one if they beat one and two and back to back days, I would think, give me the Golden Eagles. Wow, I think Perdue wins man. This is close. Yeah, I think Purdue wins too. I've picked against Purdue twice, but I
think they win this. I think Marquette comes down a little bit from the high great showdown between two teams that are returning just about everybody, but ultimately I'm gonna go with the team that has the best player, and that is the boiler Makers. Very very fun tournament to follow though, from beginning to end. This will be a good finale. Number eleven Gonzaga versus Number nothing UCLA and fifth place winner gets fifth place games at eleven at night. Yuck.
At least they're two West Coast teams. Give me the Zags, give me the Bruins. Gonzaga, and then Shamanad and Syracuse played for seventh place in the later half of the night. I think we all probably want the Orange here, right. Yeah, Syracuse is bad, but yeah they're playing Shamanad, so yep. Fighting Kyle Cuffs. Also, did you guys see Bobby Pettiford's three quarter shot game winner tonight? I did. That was amazing.
Good for you. Yeah. East Carolina was down in the closing seconds and Bobby Pettiford launched about a fifty foot game winning three as the Buccaneers beat. I don't even know who they beat it was. It was really not important, but they They've had a nice buzzer beat. Good job. Happy for you. That's national champion. Bobby Pettiford to you, all right, let's pick the Battle for Atlantis set of quarterfinals here. Number fourteen North Carolina
taking on Northern Iowa. Feels like UNC always trips up early in these tournaments, but I think they win this first game. Yeah, yeah, I agree. Villanova against Texas Tech. I will take the Wildcats. Not feeling the h Grant McCaslin led Red Raiders just yet. Uh yeah, Nova close though, give me Texas Tech all right, I like it. Uh. Michigan against Memphis. Don't act like you know anything about these teams. I will take Memphis. Yeah, I was gonna take them as well. Uh
yeah, sure. Number twenty Arkansas against Stanford. I think Jared hass is on his way out and they lose to the fighting Eric Musselmans, yep, yeah nit. Tip off game number thirteen Baylor and our old friend Scott Drew taking on Oregon State. Do the Bears win? Yes they do? Yeah? I agree? And then probably the sexiest matchup of the back half of Thanksgiving week here Number three Arizona versus number twenty one Michigan State and the Acressher
Classic. I don't know why they decided to call it that, but they did probably a sponsor three o'clock on Thanksgiving. Here is my upset call. I will take the Spartans. I like their makeup. I think they get it going. They have to win one of these games eventually, why not this one? They do not have to win one of these games, and they will not Arizona. Yeah, Arizona's gonna win. When do we want
to do a show next? I guess it depends on how good the game is, right, Yeah, If the game's epic, we could go sometime tomorrow. If not, we could wait a little bit and wait for some of these other tournaments to have a few games happen and maybe ramp up and see what happens. Sounds good because Kansas gets almost a week off after this. They play Eastern Illinois after this, so not a whole lot of reason to need to recover for them. But at the same time, they will
have a while off. You'll get a show probably sometime over the weekend, if I'm guessing, it'll launch, and that will be that good. Good job, guys, back to back late night shows. We did a team. We pulled through for the three games in three days, much like Ben Gold I have connected back to back times. That's not true. Yesterday's show was really bad for me. I thought tonight a little better, despite the fact that the game was much much worse. This is Inside the Pain on
Rock Chuck Blog. I'm right Landris, I am Ben Gold. Second with a three pointer, I am Ben Gold. I feel like Nick should have to sign off as and I'm Nick Timberlake until Nick Timberlake scores fIF Okay, I'm Nick Timberlake. Oh gosh, you're fired, Nick Timberlake. Get off my podcast. We'll be back. Tell me twice. Happy Thanksgiving, Bye Hawaii.