ITP: Jayhawks' season ends with thorough ass-clapping at Gonzaga's hands

There's only one way this show can started. Damn, damn, damn it, damn that's Ryan realize. Yeah, I think that's on the Thames. You're gonna pay ROYALSS for this on at some point. Yeah, please don't come fine this. Yeah, I don't think Larry David wants anything to do with us. Time for the crushes. I can't be close at half time? How's it our fault? Well, I need someone to blame, all

right, guys. Nick Timberlake hits that three the Jayhawks are up, are up four in the second half, and then oh or more specifically that but for nineteen minutes? Because why did I have to be Gonzaga? Has anybody here by chance? Do any of you remember things that a particular one of us has said about Gonzaga and the tournament? And is that ringing any bells for anybody here? I certainly remember the spirit of them, because I said I wanted Kansas to get Nova, and I said I wanted Kansas to get

Oregon. But this, this is the darkest humor the universe could throw at me. It really is. The team that I said sucked against noteworthy competition in the tournament just completely kicked my favorite teams up and down the floor in a basketball game instead n cuaa tournament because Kansas this year, this year not a particularly noteworthy team. Nope, but hey, you know what were actually

noteworthy is who is with us today? Because we didn't think we were gonna have you, Nick, but instead you spent about ten hours in the car today only to come home eight hours before you have to get up and go to work to do a podcast talking about DA losing to the Bulldogs of Gonzaga by a lot. Look at your dedication, sir. You pay me the big bucks, So I'm cunning. Yes I do. Okay, So no, no, no agenda today. You already know what we're gonna say.

This is in said the Pain on Rock Chalk Blog. I'm Ryan Landrath, I'm Mark Fu's alcohol choices, and I'm I'm Bill self after losing the Gonzaga by twenty one on the road. That's that's plenty good enough. Let's talk about the game. Damn it. Bill, there's a new sequence for you. Number five Gonzaga eighty nine, number four Kansas sixty eight. You know, guys, I don't know if you've if you remember, but we've talked about some blowout NCAA tournament losses on this podcast before. Yeah, and each

one of them has gotten worse numerically. This one wasn't worse than the This is just the second worst NCAA tournament loss in Kansas history. We talked about the first and the third and the fourth. Actually we were all on those shows. But this one was only the second worst, So it wasn't that bad. It was only nine. It was only twenty one this time. Yeah, that's almost exclusively because Gonzaga didn't have like a Lobby Pick and a bunch of other good players on their team. If they had, I think

it might have been mad. Somebody tell me what happened, because it was a big After a high paced, entertaining and even first half, Nick Timberlake opened the second half with the three, giving Kansas a forty seven to forty three leave with nineteen minutes left. What followed was a wild collapse that saw Gonzaga go on It's like the Saddam Hussein statue collapse saw Gonzaga go on a

thirty seven to six run over the next thirteen minutes. The Jayhawks ran out of gas and it showed on both ends resulting in a season ending blowout loss. Haven't seen that, you know, It wasn't like USC did that or anything. In the round of thirty two. It wasn't like USC did that or anything. Thirty seven to Sixford, I have never in my life seen the Jayhawks on the wrong end of a thirty seven to six run. That is, that's almost impossible. Think about the amount of things that have to

go wrong to get yourself in a thirty seven to six run. It really does feel like the season's end in like a complete like distillation of the year.

Like it can't just end in a way that is normal. It has to end in the most like extreme version of what the entire season has been, which is like Kansas playing very soft interior defense with bad rotation and not being able to score, which is true, that's things that they kind of struggle at, but in this game they were like literally in like literally incapable of both of those things, and that was quite apparent for that run and

endless, endless it felt like, and if you want the twenty nineteen comparisons, they that team also gave up eighty nine points in a blow out season any loss to a five seed as the four seed, like you really can't. Was that game also in Salt Lake City? Am I crazy? Or did Kansas play all the Salt Lake sounds? I think it was. I think that game was in the same venue. Actually, wow, what a bunch of what a what a wild wild the comparison set that that wound up

being. Okay, Nick, the Jayhawks they are Well I was gonna ask you for your thoughts, But first, how about one of those great old stats, because I got a good one here. Kansas is the first team in the history of the NCAA Tournament, which is always a great way to start a sentence two, be a higher seed, lead at half and wind up losing the game by twenty Never happened before. Has a team that was a higher seed have a lead at halftime and lose by that many points?

The number of points that the Jayhawks lost on Saturday, which was twenty one. Kansas shot fifty percent in the first half, twenty eight percent the second half. Gonzaga was fifty six percent in the first half, and that went to sixty seven percent after halftime. And I know you're gonna touch on this here a little bit, but it was a great basketball game for a half in a minute, like it was so up and down, high scoring.

The Jayhawks were making plays that put them on a path to at minimum be right in the game at the end, like it was a lot of fun. And then just holy gracious did the floor fall out in a minute? M Yeah, apparently I just fell off there too, both of them. But uh, weird, just emulating what happened. Uh was the question in sorry I had gator almost just your general thoughts, like, oof is my general thoughts? That drop? I pushed them bunch of time at halftime.

At half time, we were all talking and texting and saying, you know, uh, I guess kind of like, man, Kansas can't play or Gonzaga can't shoot the ball this well, And it's almost like, well, yeah, Kansas can't shoot the ball this well. They made a ton of set what how many threes in the first half? They made a lot of threes in the first half. Seven they made seven seven first half and they're never gonna but that wound up that did that did slow down if you're talking

about eight. Yeah, they made the one they won in the first minute. Yeah, yeah, that's right. Yeah, But we were we were talking We were talking at halftime, like you know this, they're those is gonna switch up the defense and Gonzaga is gonna cool down a little bit.

But like you said, fifty six to sixty seven percent field goal percentage in the second half, Guys, this team was with Gonzaga shooting that well, this team was not winning if Hunter Dickinson was scoring on ever almost every possession. Like that's just the reality of it. They they got into a hornet's nest and somehow they got to play a Samford team who's good at threes and a good Zaga team who's peeking at the right time, also very good offensively.

This team we talked about in the tournament show or the selection show bracket. You wanted this team to avoid a super athletic team and a team that can score a lot because they can't keep up with teams who score a lot. And look what they drew in the first two rounds, two teams that score a lot. They would had another team that scored a lot with Purdue, but it is unfortunate. It is kind of indicative on how the downhill

decline of the season began. But it is interesting because the past few losses they've gotten blown out Houston Cincinnati. It was pretty quick that things turned south this game a lot of hope. In the first half. Looked great offensively,

you know, the defense had some wards. Hunter Dickinson completely I think that's the big point here is Hunter Dickinson defensively was just complete, complete no shows, so as Nick Timberlake. But off of those pick and rolls, those switches completely caught in no man's land at the top of the key while a guy's driving in to dunk the ball. Like, they looked all sorts

of disoriented defensively. And I don't know if bill selves adjustmentson after the locker room really made much of a difference either, kind of seemed like he checked out of the game too. Just an overall, like abysmal tournament performance for Kansas to end a very disappointing end of the year after starting as the number one overall team. So Landon, I'll throw it to you in a minute. I do want to offer one quick stat correction. I misspoke. They

actually made nine threes two in the second half. I'm forgetting about Parker Brown's Parker Brown's three that cut a twenty five point deficit to twenty two in the second half. So sorry, Parker didn't mean to forget that. Uh, yes, Kansas, but like and my takeaway from this as Nick was correct

about how they've struggle all year to keep up scoring. Uh, Kansas played three good halfs in the tournament, like three real quality offensive halves, where we thought that would be the thing that this team would struggle without mccolor the most with. And then I you some people say they run out of gas. Some people say they shouldn't have because they'd only played two games in a

last two weeks. Some people say it is understandable because they had fewer players, the altitude, all that, they definitely just ran out of gas. Also, shots stopped falling, the defense wasn't there the whole night. Oh and by the way, Nick pointed out that they got blown out in their last three games. Correct, They actually scored fewer points in this game sixty

eight. Then they did the If you add up the amount of points that they lost by in their last three games thirty twenty and twenty one, they lost the last three games of the year by seventy one damn points. Wild Land in your thoughts, oh bad, I'll go more in depth than that, I suppose, But yeah, yeah, I mean obviously we're gonna somewhat eulogize the season. As Ryan said on Twitter, X I mean sorry, sorry, You're busy with neuralink, so you're probably not even focusing on X

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Yeah. All the symbols were the webbing's font just on the keyboard. That's That's what's on the new rock Chalk Blog dot com, folks. It runs about as well as the twenty twenty four Jayhawks landon. What were your thoughts? Uh, yeah, I do think and Ryana, I think you were. You're talking about this in the chat for sure that the margin that Kansas lost by hair was a little bit fluky because Kansas shot such a poor

percentage, and Gonzaga shot very very well. But I like I was saying that that feels like how Kansas played and lost pretty much all season was that, yes, they had some great individual talent, and obviously Kevin McCuller not with the team for the vast majority of the end of the year here, but nonetheless, like they had some great pieces, mostly one great piece and

some other fine pieces, but the offense was always gonna struggle. They were never gonna be able to score at a super high rate for very long, and then you saw what happened when they go cold. This was not ever a great defensive team either. Yes, they had moments of playing very good defense against very good teams, even watching them play excellent defense against Houston and

against Yukon. They had some excellent moments against some very good teams all season, but you saw what happened, and it's happened over and over and over again this year. Other teams get really hot against the Jayhawks, and the Jayhawks just can't quite keep up with that. You can call that a fluke if you want. Yes, some element of three point defense is luck.

Some element of defense is luck in general when the other team's taken a lot of jump shots, but Kansas's rotation in Kansas's defensive ability this year, Hunter Dickinson is not an instinctive defender, and they don't have very many instinctive defenders, and it leaves a lot of open guys a lot of the time. And he saw that for about twenty minutes against Gonzaga in the second half especially, So a very rough outing here for the Jayhawks and a very unfortunate end

to the season. Not one that I'm especially shocked to see happen, although I do think twenty one I didn't quite quite envision, but yeah, night where they just got ran off the floor. And that's become a habit for the Hawks in the last several tournaments. Yep. They're one and four in the round of thirty two in their last five tournaments, which is weird. And I mean because self, I believe won his first seven round of thirty two games at Kansas, and he's just four and six in his last ten

that dates back to twenty ten. You obviously have had a title run in there, You've had a couple of their Final four, so it's not like

they are always disappointing. They're also ten and oh in the first round of those games, seventeen for their last seventeen there so, but yeah, it's been it's been a trouble spot and it's definitely a thing now where they've been the higher seeded team and every one of those six losses they haven't been able to get out of the first weekend and even half of their last ten runs and that's you know, I know it will laugh at what happened with Kentucky.

This is the first tournament, I believe in forty something years that neither Kansas or Kentucky made the second weekend in back to back tournaments. You know, there's more parody in college basketball than there have been than there ever has been at any point, and you're starting to see the effects of that. Let's go ahead and start talking about some of the players. As the Houston, Texas A and M game is still going on as we record this,

Houston's entire team has fouled out. So they're sending basic walk ons that I've attempted four free throws all year to the line to try to close out an overtime thriller against A and M. Something that was that Kansas did not have to worry about was closing out free throws, even though their walk ons did play. Don't worry Nick, tell me about Hunter Dickinson. Last show of the year. Is always kind of weird because whenever we talk about players,

there's not really I'd like to see them do this next time. It's kind of more just like, what's gonna happen next year at this point. Weird, but whatever. Yeah. Hunter Dickinson led Kansas with fifteen points on six or fifteen from the floor, five rebounds, four assists. He was probably the best player in the game in the first half, swing thirteen points hitting two threes. Was also completely burned defensively. As I alluded to earlier,

Mark Few knew exactly how to exploit his lack of a flist. As Mark Few also knows how to exploit the sheriff by calling for nothing but pick and rolls all game long. Mark Few also tried to pick and roll outside of the Sheriff's deputy. Yeah. I tried to ask him to perform a pickup role and he was like, I don't want to do that because I have

a bum Nay. Yeah, but he's also two and Oh against his friend Bill Self, who, by the way, found out during the broadcast that those two men were born on the exact same day, which is kind of interesting. Apparently they're friends and he's two and oh against Bill self since the

both coaches got through their current schools. Yeah, Land and we talked about Hunter Dickinson's defense being a problem all year, and it was very clear that the strategy was, let's get Hunter Dickinson out away from the basket and then with the paint freed up, we know that we can be lying to the basket and he's too slow to be able to keep up with our athleticism.

Mark few knew exactly how to attack Kansas's biggest the biggest vulnerable spot in the armor, and it was to target number one, get him out away from the basket. The defense was the biggest problem in this game. Kansas could not stop the pick and roll, and I think that starts with Hunter, who hit a couple of big threes in the first half. Did the look how well fallist I am with the forearm in front of his crotch after making one of them, and Kansas got totally run out of the gym after that

point. Yeah, it's pretty much the same thing we've been talking about already. And yeah, Hunter did have a great first half, he really did, and his second half was pretty abysmal. Yeah, his his defense not good all year certainly, and it was especially bad, I thought against Gonzaga. But I don't know, does he come back Nick, Does he come back and try to run this back and go average like twenty and eleven next

year? Man, he's getting paid like two million dollars in an al like he's he's either playing for the Wongdong Tigers or he's gonna come back to Ku make two million nil money. And somebody had his hands down like he has a big penis. Somebody had a video of and it was where is Hunter Dickinson going to be taking his talents next year? And it was a video of Trump going It's called China And I immediately and I immediately thought of all

the Twitter burners. Okay, so let's get one thing straight. I'm not gonna sit here and defend Hunt Dickinson endlessly because he didn't play well. Nobody did in this game. But the worst part of this loss is how many uugh, we have to watch another year of Hunter next year tweets that I had to see on the timeline. Hunter Dickinson is not, nor will he ever be, one of the ten biggest problems with this team. He was a second team All America, second in the conference in points, first among

guys who played every game, first in rebounds. If that man wants to play basketball for you next year, you say, well sure and roll out the red carpet again. The fact that he's gonna be back anchoring the number five position, the Jayhawks will win a lot of games if Bill self can figure out the right players to surround his skill set with. The defense is

a problem. Part of finding the correct players that can align with his skill set is making sure those players are very good defensively, so Hunter has to carry less of that load. But you are absolutely nuts if you do not want Hunter Dickinson back, and make no other if. If you want to know what would happen without Hunter Dickinson, go watch the Cincinnati Big Twelve Tournament game. Hunter is a star Wars and he will have a great year. You told me about a poll you put out on Twitter. Do I get

to learn about that at some point? Oh? Yeah, Oh yeah, So I put out a poll and no one on Twitter could figure out what I was doing. But it was for the podcast, and I asked Twitter, and I waited to do it till right after the game ended. Who was the better basketball player at Kansas, Hunter Dickinson or Marcus Garrett. Now, you guys, if I ask you that question, Okay, Landon Dickinson could play, Hunter Dickinson could play ten games at KU, and he'd still

have a better career than Marcus Garrett. I too believe, like you guys do, that Hunter Dickinson was a better player at Kansas. He was a first he was a second team All American. But Rock Chuck Blog, Twitter and the two thousand and sixty two people who voted on this, only forty seven point seven percent agree that Hunter Againson was better than Marcus Garrett. Fifty

two to forty eight was the final poll numbers. So if that just goes to show over one thousand people chose that Marcus Garrett was a better player than Hunter Dickinson, Guys, stop, that's not real. Hunter Dickinson may not be everybody's cup of tea. I've seen people talk about how he's not a Kansas player. I don't know if that's really a thing. But come on, and also I commend Hunter. I do all the Kevin mcculr stuff.

And here's a dude with his shoulder and a sling and he's out there playing his seven foot two lungs in the altitude salt lake, having to play thirty eight minutes a game because no one else is out there. I think you could do a lot. I think you can find a lot more parties to blame than Hunter. But we'll talk about him with ascarcib. kJ Adams ten points, six rebounds, thirty two minutes, five of twelve from the floor. Fine on offense. If you if anybody tells you how bad Hunter was

on defense, they can point out that kJ was no better. They were both terrible. kJ was asked after the game if he's gonna come back to Kansas just like Josh Jackson and just like he is. Christy Han said, well, here, I'm gonna predict right now that kJ Adams isn't back, or that kJ Adams doesn't start next year. Bill likes him too much. I don't I start, sir. Even even Will Smith had to shoot even Will Smith had to shoot his dog at one point, Like it's not working.

This doesn't work. kJ is a good enough basketball player where you convince yourself that his playmaking ability and his his talent, his dunking, his hustle, his heart, you convince yourself you can make it work at the four. This season is proof that you can't. They cannot start him next year. You cannot play him thirty minutes a game alongside Hunter Dickinson. And if

it's between those guys, I'm picking Hunter ten out of ten times. Yeah, and it's gonna be interesting to see with Floorya be doing good coming in next year as a very highly touted recruit. We've talked about that some, but yeah, it's gonna be very odd if they're gonna go back to the one big setup, which I think they're gonna have to. Who plays, and if you want to maximize Hunter Dickinson, if you want to maximize his strengths, which what is that an entry pass recipient, Dewan can throw the

ball into him, he'll lay it in. He doesn't have to leave the paint very much unless you want him to. Unless he has the ability to shoot a three, whatever you primarily want him to play in the paint. You can't have kJ be the big alongside him for that to work, because

kJ can't get any space. They need to stretch four and that helps the whole team obviously, because you're probably adding a guy who can shoot the ball, which kJ cannot, and that's gonna help spacing in general because if kJ, if a Hunter does want to pick and pop and play on the perimeter a little bit, now the entire paint is wide open because theoretically you're gonna have four other guys that can shoot the ball, and your spacing is gonna

be a lot better. So, yeah, kJ can't play with Hunter very much, if at all, next year if he does come back, And like I was saying, I don't know if two of those three guys who are all starting caliber players are gonna want to ride the bench, and kJ Adams has a role on this team. It's just a matter of is he gonna want to accept being a sixth man. Is he gonna accept his playing time going down by ten to fifteen minutes a game. He might not.

He may opt to go play at UTEP and be an absolute monster, be the best player in school history. I don't know. I have a lot of respect for kJ Adams, and I love it to work, but it's just, at the end of the day, not the right fit. And if you have the choice between another year of Hunter another year of kJ, you're taking Hunter. You're taking the second team All American. There are KU fans out there that if I ask them who's the better player between kJ Adams

and Hunter Dickinson, they would say, kJ, You're wrong. You can like him more, you can like his skill set more, but he's not a better player. And Bill self knows that you have to have a center in this college basketball day and age, they have one that gets twenty and ten. And you want to play a guy alongside a tall not for particular athletic back to the basket big. It's gotta be a guy who can rebound well, or it's got to be a guy that can shoot well. And

kJ can't do either. That is all accurate. Yeah, you need a guy that can do that at the four. And really what you need at the four is a small forward, and kJ is a is a finesse ish power forward, and that's just not gonna work in this modern age basketball. Let's talk about what Bill self said after the game, which is I've been thinking about next year for the last month. To be honest, a lot of people on Twitter took some issue with that. Any of you guys do

No, your team was atrocious for the last month. Who else was thinking about next year? Everybody? Yeah, I don't know. Nick, you got a problem with it? No, Yeah, I don't either. I think it's a weird quote. Like you know, people were saying, well, Kevin mccullor got hammered for what he said. Guys, they're very different things. Bill self obviously doesn't meant during the game out there, He's sitting there going, man, I hope he transfers or I wonder who I'll bring

in. It's just a matter of of you know, this season. I think that was a direct I'm not gonna say attack of Kevin McCuller, but I think the Kevin McCuller situation is more or less what led to him thinking that, because that's when you realize that this team just was. You were checking up hill, they had too many things against it. Johnny furfey Land and tell me about him nine points, seven rebounds, but he did miss four shots in a row in the opening a few minutes of the second half.

As the game was starting to slip away from the Jayhawks, but then again, so did everyone else, so I can't blame him too much for that. He finishes the season averaging nine points, five rebounds a game and thirty three point rate. A question that we ask every show, we will ask it again. Is he back Nick? Yes, he has to be. There's no way he's getting drafted right the way that he finished the year,

There's no way he would get drafted. It's a it's a really bad draft year, but there's I don't think there's I don't think it's gonna happen. I think the cutoff is top twenty. I think if he goes to the Combine and some team says, hey, we're picking seventeen and we love you, I think he'll stay in the draft. I think that most likely fifty five forty five right now, maybe if he's a because if you're a late first round pick and you're not guaranteed to be in the first round,

that's a big money difference there. But if you're gonna go in the top twenty, and you have pretty good jurisdiction that you're gonna go in the top twenty potential lottery pick, you go every time. I think that's the cutoff. I don't know if he is a top twenty pick right now, but if he is, I think he goes, and if he's not, I think he stays. If he comes back, I think he can go from twenty two to five really quick in the next year's draft class, and he'd

be an awesome piece because he's the second best rebounder on this team. He can play minutes at the four if you want to have three shooters out there next year, or you can play him at the three, and whenever you want to play really tall, assuming you have a different four out there that can work landon. You think he goes, yeah, I think I would mostly agree with you that. I think it's more likely than not that he returns. But as you're saying yeah, if someone in that top especially like

top fifteen, is like, yeah, no, we love you. If you're if you're on the board at twelve, you know we're taking you, I think he probably takes that heartbeat and goes. I do think his main feedback at the combine he's gonna have to be a better uh, He's gonna have to have better game feel in the half court defense, and being more consistent shooter, because obviously he showed he can be a really good shooter,

but he also was very streaky for most of the season. So I think if you can get that straightened out, and I think it's very likely that he will, uh and he seems like a smart enough kid he'll figure out defense. Also weird that I could borderline legitimately call him a kid in comparison to me. He's like five years younger. Yeah, he's very young. I think he'll figure it out, but I think it's very possible that that'll be the feedback and then he'll come back and average like seventeen a game next

year. Yep, he's gonna have more time to play next year than if he's drafted and plays two minutes a game and his rookie season in the NBA because he's raw. But it's all about the paycheck. If you're gonna be a top twenty pick, there's no better place to get better for the NBA than in the NBA. So I'm with you, though, I think the defense has to be the main thing that he's the game field, which comes

with experience. It just had to be Gonzaga, didn't it Bill. So anyone who's listening to this podcast knows that for years, my Twitter account and my podcast has just taken a big dump on Gonzaga any opportunity we get.

I had a couple Gonzaga tweets our Twitter accounts blow up, some old takes exposed rock Chalk blog takes where I made fun of how bad their conference was, a lot of stuff about how I thought they were overrated at the beginning of this year and now they get a steamroll through their dog pot, their pile of dog crap conference to rack up wins and get overseeded. This game didn't change that they weren't very good early in the season. They do get

a ton of built in wins with that horrible schedule. They are overseeded. They had a great get they had a great day on Saturday. They're better than Kansas, and I know this isn't even one of the better Gonzaga teams. Kansas just wasn't very good at the State of Kansas that Gonzaga played. But let's not act like them beating Kansas changes the narrative that they don't have a history of gagging in the tournament. Spare me the stats about their seat

suggests that they get this many expected wins. I don't want to hear about it when you have a one on a two darn ear every year and you never manage to get it done. Win a title, and then we'll talk. Maybe that's a really shallow boomer perspective I have with Gonzaga, but I've seen him knock on the door enough. Tonight they won't. They'll lose in the Sweet sixteen again like every year they and they've come close a couple times. But for me, the game that broke me forever with Gonzaga was the

Baylor game. That was the game when I realized, like, okay, I tried to listen, I try to believe that this team was different. The best college team ever was in recent memory, was being hailed and they got ran out of the gym by a Big twelve team that was admittedly also extremely good, but Gonzaga was favored in that game. That was when I realized that the best WCC team and the best Power League team, it's never going to be a comparison. They have another chance against People were like,

oh we beat UCLA last year, Oh wow, that changes everything. Win a title, and then that narrative will change, but I'll give him credit. They're better than Kansas the two years that they played Kansas, they were better than Kansas. And it showed because that was an ass kicking Dewan Harris Nick. Let's talk about Ky's point guard. Yeah, I mean, I guess everyone played bad in the second half, but this was really not his fault. Had a double double with ten points eleven assists, really stepped up

when they teams needed scoring these past few games. But he was just four for twelve from the floor, including two for ten on twos. All ten of his points were in the first half. Brilliant before half, invisible afterwards. Again everyone he was one of the main targets on Twitter as a result of the loss. How much of this game or this season do you really put on him? Landon. Here's my thoughts, and then I'll throw it to you. I'm gonna push back a little bit on what Nick said.

I think that you mentioned one thing, and that's that he's been good the last few games when Kansas has needed a step up in score. I think that's the problem. I don't think he's done that. He was nothing thing in the second half, and this is now three games Cincinnati, Houston and this where you're the senior point guard. I know it's not you're You're not a score first. You know I'm gonna gret I want the ball in my

hands, I'm gonna take over. But whenever Hunter is gassed and Kevin's not there and Furphy's a freshman, like you're the senior point guard at some point, dude, you've played. You've made over one hundred collegiate starts. Like. I love Dewan Harris's skill set. I think Dewan Harris and Hunter Dickinson are a good match for each other, and I think they're gonna win Kansas a lot of basketball games next year. But this is the criticism of Dewan

Harris. He's not somebody who's going to be able to win. All the secondary pieces, or the primary pieces for that matter, aren't playing well. He's not gonna be able to overcome it by himself. Most of the time. That was the problem in this game. He was invisible in the second half. And whenever you are getting blown out in a tournament game, your senior point guard can't go scoreless in that half. That cannot happen. That's unacceptable. That's yeah, Hey, it is fair Nick it is Landon wouldn't

talk, so I had to fill in with his own verbiage. I think Harris was alright, but I do agree with you Ryan that, especially with my color out, I've been a little surprised that Harris because say what you want about Harris, but he does have an ability to get two spots. Sometimes he does have an ability to take guys off the dribble and guys will leave him uput on three point line two, and that allows him space to

drive as well. And so especially in games where Kansas has not scored a lot, I've really expected Harris to take a lot more shots and be a lot more assertive, and he just kind of isn't. And I'm very surprised by that. And I shouldn't be, I guess, because he's never really been that. But I thought, you know, in moments like that where his hand was forced, maybe he would, and he still never really did. Twelve shots is not nothing, but it's it's not a ton when you're

getting ran off the floor in the NCATE tournament. So yeah, I don't know, and I think this is not really gonna change for Dwan Harris. He's either just gonna have to magically become like a fifty five percent shooter from the field, or this is gonna be the exact same thing is next year, which is plenty good enough to win a lot of games. But it's not. It's it's a very flawed kind of style. Remy was such a perfect I don't know who is the Batman and who is the Robin, but

maybe you just say they were the perfect one two punch. Remy was the perfect counterpart for Harris. That National Championship second half shows it. Harris started and keyed that comeback on the defensive end. He had multiple steals, he had multiple assists. He was and you go back and watch I know that we love Remy Martin and Remy had all the big shots down the stretch for

him. He did, he made the plays late. But it was Whenever, but North Carolina's offense was really bad to start the second half, and it was Whenever self whitched Martin back out there for Harris that the offense for UNC started to get going. They just played perfectly together, and it would be so great to be able to go get a point a score first. Marco Jackson oh, very much like he's very much like Green and Morning.

All right, let's talk about Alamarco Jackson. Here, he had seven garbage time points and two turnovers and seventeen minutes this tournament, he had seven turnovers to six baskets. Uh. He concludes his freshman season fifty two baskets, fifty one turnovers, and seventy one fouls. And also, in case that wasn't bad enough, a team worse twenty seven percent three point right I I

people on Twitter get so sensitive whenever you criticize players. Marco Jackson's bad at Mike two six three eight two five two four, Well, yo, with for a different team, then we support our Jayhawks the same twit, the same account hates Hunter Dickinson. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Hunter's not a real Jayhawk. El Mark Jackson's got to go. I do not want to see us scholars and everybody's like, well look at Tyane Grant Foster enough,

stop please just stop, just stop. No. No. Somebody said that somebody had a really good analogy that says we gotta let the product cook in the oven and stop trying to microwave it and be surprised why it tastes bad. That's not the worst analogy, but the portal nowadays, you can go find a guy that can shoot better than Almarco Jackson. If you are a guard and you cannot shoot, you are dead. To me. Yeah, he's gonna be an odd one because he says he's coming back, which you

know who else said that, sir? You know who else said that a week before the season ended, Bobby Pettiford and Joe Yesafu. He hasn't had his exit meeting with Bill self yet. Yeah, sure enough, And I think there's a very good chance that happens if indeed he does come back, as long if he plays the exact same role next season as he finished the year playing this year when they had the full rotation, that's what you're looking

for. And I think that's fine, And I think he has a chance to be a not disgusting player because I think another year in the system he could be better, at least a little bit, at least playably better. He had a couple of nice dunks. He can't shoot. He's not very good defensively. He can't He's a freaking he was listed as a combo point guard and he can't handle the ball. Well, he doesn't turn it over. He falls down every time he gribbles in space. You cannot know.

And that's why I think he really can't play much more than that kind of role next year if he does come back, because why why would you try that? You have a Harris and you have two freshmen air force next year. Yes, yes, he's a nice guy. He's worked hard. He's worse than Bryce Thompson. He's worse than than than MJ. Rice because he didn't get the shot with injury out. I'm dye on that hill and he's Oh my gosh, is he worse than Josh Selby? Josh Shelby was a

disappointment Shelby. Please stop saying he's worse than He's better than Selby and grind He's not two games. Yes, Selby broke his foot, and Grimes was a competent player, if not oh and if not unspectacular, he was a He was a serviceable player on a four seed. El Marco has had more freaking turnovers than baskets enough. I hope it works for el Marco, I do. I hope he goes to a different school like Bryce Thompson and it works. He can't shoot. Let him figure it out somewhere else, and

that's probably likely. And another guy who would do that if he wasn't like in college for his twelfth year is Nick Timberlake. He finishes the game with nine points, two threes, six rebounds in thirty two minutes. His career is indeed over, but at least he went from over uh thirty percent from three thanks to this game. That's what a mark for Nick Timberlake thirty point

two. Jamar mcdal had three points in seven minutes. The Walkuns played at the end, as they typically do when Bill self loses tournament games, and my only Timberlake blurb is the one of the first questions the reporter asked to him is did you make the right decision coming to Kansas? And he just looked at him, like what what? What do you even want me to? What? What do you want me? Can we can we stop? We can we start taking press passes from these lousy ass cracker jack reporters who

in the world Duke would have made his career better? Right? What do you want to say? No, man, I wish I didn't come here. This place sucks like what I hated my time I had a bad time. I wish I know, yeah, done this just hard? Did you see the reporter ask Matt Painter, I know you guys are probably gonna win. But and Painter looked at him like, what the hell are you talking about? He interrupts him and goes, whoa, wha, Well, this

is March madness. Everybody's really good, Like I feel like that the reporters have just lost their mind recently. No, Matt Paine was like, who whoa, whoa have you seen this lose in the past five seasons. That's a tournament. We have a great chance of losing, thank you very much. And they look like winning. My watch which car dealership well Timberlake be working for in a month? I assume that's I heard. Hi, I get yourself a nice new Chevy Cruise at a Laithakia. I'm Nick Timberlake.

Make sure your March isn't a bust like mine. It's like the post It's like the post NL job offer this I made for miles of the gallon than my three point percentage. Hi, I'm Neck Timberlake, and I get thirty dollars and thirty cents every time I sell a car, which is the percentage of threes. I made my last season of Kansas. Our warranty on all of our new vehicles is six years. It's a long time, and that's

how long I've been in college. And if it busts like we made your bracket due, we got a twelve month warranty yours for no extra charge. Oh, I meant to push h We got any closing thoughts your future, ladies and gentlemen, Yeah, that's it's a glimpse into El Marco jack future is all right, guys, we got a real tough one night against a cane, but if we catch him, I think we can win this conference

championship. All right, let's go team on three. No. I don't want to bag on Almarco Jackson too much, but you got two stud freshman point guard prospects coming in. Uh Flon can really shoot the ball, pass more, does more things than than al Marco Kann. Neither of those guys should lose minutes to a guard that he'll be a great Big West guard. Yep, yeah, yep. He can go play in the Big West and dunk every six games and make people at s And he's I'm Eastern Washington al

Marco Jackson. I'm sure he's a great dude. But in the transfer portal, when there's guys that can shoot, and you already with Harris and Timberlake on our Timberlake, with Harris and Dickinson on your roster, you kind of

know you need to surround those guys with shooters. I don't need another good de plus defender, combo guard that can't shoot, no please, And I think Bill self is probably gonna make some moves too if Bill's I will say this, if Bill self keeps telling Marco Jackson, I expect el Marco Jackson to have a very nice sophomore season, because that does not feel like the sort of move that self will break the trend and bring back underwhelming freshman unless

he sees something. Probably look at me just blindly trusting freaking Bill and his four first weekend losses in the last five tournaments. The guy who didn't try to switch one GEDD MF thing with that pick and roll defense, And they asked him after the game, He's like, well, I can't just play a different zone. We hadn't practiced that olden by all means, go ahead,

keep playing the one that was working. Quite so well in the whole second half, Bill, I'm glad we didn't try anything else ever, just just Mark freaking few who do they also get like gosh, Mark Fu looks terrible. He looks like a freaking yetti out there. Do they not have a dental planetaint Zaga? What in the hell is going on with Mark Fu?

He's a weird wolf and he kicks Bill selfs ash twice now in four years final, I think that's thirty from the floor from three out of nowhere, yay, six from the free throw line, minus five on the glass, minus two turning the ball over. None of those des are horrendous. Well, I guess some of them are, but that doesn't scream. They lost by twenty one. Nick, Kansas final loss the year, uh, perhaps your final Kansas March loss recaps. It's such a fall from grace.

Two years ago we were celebrating a national championship, and my departure on this show is a twenty point loss to Gonzaga in the second round. Anyats on this season as a whole, Nick, here was games very disappointing. I mean, anything other than that is you know, start number one overall? Just yeah, just a fall from grace. But it's the worst. It's the worst season. Yeah, era, it is. It's the worst season.

But it's just I think it was over before began. That's my hot take with with Arterio Morris being out, they were soaked thin at the beginning. Yeah, I wish self would have added someone before the end of the year, but man, what a it's like a balloon deflating. They were thirteen and one when the game in Orlando tipped off, and they wound up going what ten and eleven in the last twenty one games. Yeah, that's

that's shocking. Yeah, it's the worst season in the celf Era. They finished fifth in the Big twelve and they didn't make the second weekend of the tournament. Like those are you literally can't do that. He's never done worse.

He's never not He's never done worse than that. So it's pretty disappointing, especially whenever you consider that it started with the preseason number one team in the Land and a team that looked like that they were playing really well for quite a while and then yeah, then they also they had their well I also want to add too, like Land and I were really skeptical early on because of how they played against Eastern Illinois. They did not look skeptical.

When they lost to Illinois and the exhibition, you were like, hmm, that's kind of strange. They can't shoot very well. They didn't look very good throughout the timber Lake even shot the ball well early. That's what we said. I remember us saying like, somebody other than Timberlake has to step up, and Timberlake didn't step up, and oof drop. You've heard a few times, yeah, that this roster wasn't the best fit together. I'm not gonna sit here and be like, oh, imagine if they had had

Ourtario. That's not the question. The question is imagine if they had the roster spot used on somebody else, because Ourtario never should have been a Jayhawk based off of what happened to Texas, and they went for it, and people are like, oh, is a high risk Hyer. No stop that. Let's just pretend that they instead chose to go after somebody that they wouldn't have to worry about if he would behave well enough to still be a contributor.

Hell, in game one, I was gonna say in March, but he didn't make it a late night that's when it got off the rails. They didn't have the athletes, they didn't have the shooting Artario could have helped with both those things. Then they were still okay for a while for their standards. They were still going to be a two seed until mccullor got hurt. What were they sixteen and three whenever mccullor got hurt during the Cincinnati game, I think it was, and then like losing record after that too,

So that's when it all fell apart. I we knew around the time that they lost to West Virginia that something was up. I think, yeah, the sorry go Aheadlanin No, I was just gonna I was just gonna say that. Unfortunately, the concerns, which at the time I didn't even think, we're one hundred percent founded that KU playing pretty poorly against teams like Eastern Illinois and not looking great against UMKC and Gale and stuff like that. Indiana

wasn't good games like that. Yeah, in Missouri they beat Missouri by eight. Yeah, like these very mediocre teams. At the time, I was like, I think Kansas is just kind of playing down to their opponent, especially when you consider like they beat Tennessee and they beat Yukon, and they played well in other games, like they held around with a very good Marquette team before they kind of put them away. But I thought, hey,

we're gonna enter conference player. I remember saying this early. We'll see if that holds with Kansas. If that style of play holds, I didn't think it really would, and for a minute in conference play I didn't think it was. But unfortunately they were never able to shake that. And that was something that did indeed factor in for the entirety of their season was that they

just did not have an X factor, especially away from home. Yes, they won some big games as I alluded to earlier, Yukon, Houston, Baylor, they played some very good games and won against very good teams who were playing past when they are. But that was a problem for kansasll year was that they just really had no no X factor, no get up and go at any point on the road or away from Allen Field House, and that is what ended up getting them. What I find more concerning than this

season alone, like scratch this season. I know Bills've had a down year, but the transfer portal is just this shows how unsustainable this whole thing is like you used to be able to get recruits, Like way back in the old days, you used to be able to get recruits and maybe get at least two to three years out of them. And now it's like you're picking up because you need experience. People realize you need experiencing. And see a

tournament. You see Kentucky losing in the first round. So you go pick up all these seniors and super seniors in the transfer portal and you're turning them over the next year and you got to go find them again, and you're just hoping that you can. It's basically like taking different colors of play though and trying to like push them together and make something cool out of it.

And it's just it just doesn't work sometimes and some Yukon's figured it out, but overall, like the transfer portal is just really just ruined any continuity, continuity in the in the in the college basketball gave landscape. I mean, you look at women's basketball, we're like where they're not going pro. There's not as much transferring happening as the men because the nil is less important. Let's just be honest, there is a chalk you know, it's chalk.

These teams are very good. They're good year after year college basketball, the men's Yeah, it's a top few top teams that are good every year. But it's so unpredictable. I don't know how Bill wants to keep coaching in this environment. Yeah, that's that's the thing. You've seen a lot of coaches. I mean, look how quickly Roy Williams, coach K Jim Beheim, those guys got out whenever the recruiting change like that. So it is

interesting. We'll have some more with the ascarcbs. But now it's well the airhorn and talk about how basically every other higher seed one except for the one we receive it Bill other games. Let's recap the second round of the NCAA tournament. I always get the first bracket Landon, Why don't you start? Then Nick can go and I'll go third. So we'll go in a different rotation orders time. I let's do it round to thirty two. Here we

go in East Yukon. They continue their march to being the first team to repeat in a long long time since six oh seven Florida as they take down Northwestern seventy five to fifty eight. I didn't get to see too many of the Sunday game. Both had a pretty busy day, but Yukon seemingly never never really endo out there. They marched on a pretty good Northwestern team and they handled their business a game that just went final. Yukon will play San

Diego State in the Sweet sixteen next week. San Dieo State absolutely rolls Yale eighty five to fifty seven game never close San Diego State in a rematch of the National championship game from last season. They continue to look good. Do you think they have any chance to upset the Huskies? Nick? I don't think so. Yukon is just a bulldozer right now. I mean Yukon eventually, eventually, Yukon is gonna play a game, but they don't win by

thirteen. No defending champion has made the Elite eight in and what I think we're on seventeen years now, it was oh seven Florida, which is what they are trying to do. They need to beat San Diego State to do it, as Techs have played with defense in the first game and they won with offense in the second game. Yes, I think this is going to be a game that's decided by single digits. I still think Yukon wins, but San Diego State clearly they have. I mean, geez, they've won

what seven NCAA Tournament games the last two years? Like they have been They've been really good in the postseason eight now five plus two? Right, they didn't win six, Yukon won eight. Oh yeah, Yukon won six. Yeah yeah, San Diego State, Yukon's the only reason that San Diego State's not an eight in the bottom half of that region. Illinois also looking very strong. I think Illinois one of the three or so Bass teams in the tournament, and they looked the part as they rolled to Kne eighty nine to

sixty three. In other game not particularly close. Terrence Shannon continues his excellent form. They were going to take on big twelve zone Iowa State, the two seed. Washington State gave him a game for a while that was close, but the Cyclones pull away late and they finished strong to get the eleven point wins sixty seven fifty six. So are we are we all on Yukon Illinois or do we think Iowa State gets gets into the lead eight here,

Nick, I think Iowa State's gonna win. I don't trust Illinois. See I don't trust Iowa. I say I trust Illinois a lot more on I trust Iowa State. Yeah, I think Iowa States had the easiest path to the second weekend of any of the ones and the twos, if we're being honest, like Washington State, Okay, I think Iowa States. Ioy played Ducaine and Morehead State. That Yeah, I guess the the that is true. They got the benefit of not having to play BYU. But Illinois can

put up points. I think they win, and I still think I'm gonna go with what I had in my original bracket. I think Illinois upsets Yukon in the ely d eight. Okay, I think it's very possible. I think I think Illinois is money, but I'm still betting Yukon because they are an absolute machine. They're a wagon for sure. All Right, take the South region. This is unsharded waters for you. Normally, I feel like you've gotten the Midwest. Let's see if you can handle the South. Yeah.

Well, the game that just wrapped up as we were recording. We saw the buzzer beater at the end of the regulation. But Texas A and m unlike Kansas in two thousand and eight, was unable to take their buzzer beating game tying shot two oh victory. They lose to Houston in the overtime period one hundred and to ninety five. When is the last time the Houston Cougar scored one hundred points in a basketball game. It's been gave up ninety

five And this was one of the worst officiated games ever. Houston starting five had twenty four fouls. That's one under the maximum possible. Here, they had walk on shooting free throws. In the end, they were up thirteen with like two minutes left, A and M forces overtime and then just runs out of gas. Houston would not have survived a second overtime with who was still on the court. Shark fouled out, Crier fouled out. Shed found that, like my goodness, just a wild game. Game of the tournament

thus far. That's hard to beat though, because you had Colorado beat Florida one hundred and two to hundred. Yeah, they will be facing the Duke Blue Devils. They beat James, they beat a president, a dead president. Glad they could beat a dead president ninety three to fifty five. The Dukes are out of the tournament good thirty and thirty three in four season or whatever, but they did the Blue Devils to everyone's surprise, or in the

sweet sixteen to set a match versus Houston. Any comments on Duke with how you've seen so far, They're really good. They looked Austin today. They put it on James Madison. Yeah, I think they're gonna lose to Houston. However, the fatigue factor is interesting. Houston just played an extra quarter of a game. They do get five days off. I don't know, Landa, what do you think that Duke's one of the foremost talented teams.

They're more talented than Houston. I don't think they're only as well coach though, that's the tiebreaker. Yeah, I think that is very like. Duke has played very organized basketball in what I've seen of them so far in the tournament. They have also be a twelve. That's also true. That's also true. They dominated a good twelve, though Houston obviously a much different animal than that. It's hard to bet against them, but I think Duke'll give

him a run. I think it'll be I think it'll be close, close for a while, and then in the bottom of the bracket. The eleven versus fourteen interesting matchup in the second round they are, but in C State continues their hot streak in this March run. They win against the Oakland Golden Grizzlies and they will be playing Marquette. Shaka Smart made it to the second weekend a really close game against Colorado. Eddie Lampkin been fantastics this season,

but the Buffalo's run ins there. Do we all like Marquette to be playing Houston and the elit eight? Yeah? I think so, I think. But every time we go against n C State, Man Golkie only made six three in this and that was a great game that went to overtime. They've won seven games in twelve days and C State has really makes you not feel too bad Whenever Bill self says that the Jayhawks were fatigued with their three games in two weeks. The Marquette Colorado game six players in the rotation, that's

true, doesn't help. Tyler Kullak is a difference maker twenty one points, eleven assists. Colorado really just had a like they were right there in the second half and they just were disorganized down the stretch. I think Marquette wins, Shaka's first second weekend appearance in his last ten tries. Svincent's twenty eleven no idea. What happened at the end of that run. Yes, I think Marquette wins, but I think this is Houston's Houston's region to lose.

That's my turn, isn't it? The Midwest where number one per Due just absolutely sat on Utah State and won by almost forty one hundred and six to sixty seven. And one of the It's a good thing that we are not in side Utah State Athletics podcast because they're some of their coaching decisions. They got some early foul trouble on their bigs. They have a seven footer that was supposed to go to toe too with Edie, and they immediately set them

on the bench. This was a game for about ten minutes. It was like twenty Yeah, it's twenty four to twenty three. They led through twelve minutes, and the coach just decided, Nope, I'm not putting our bigs back in there. With two first half fouls, and what happened. Purdue opens up a huge lead and the game was over risk the third foul. Shockingly, nobody wound up fouling out. It's okay to risk a third foul. It's not a fifth foul, it's just a third. You can still

play with three. What constitutes foul trouble in you guys's minds. For me, it's four fouls at any point, or three fouls in the first half. That's it. That's the only time you're in foul trouble. Uh, that's pretty good interpretation. I'd say, if you have three in the first, like four minutes of the second half, that's probably foul trouble. But Bill doesn't even pull them if they have three that early in the second half.

He'll pull you if you have three with one second left in the first half, but he will not pull you if you have three with nineteen fifty nine left in the second half, which makes no sense of course. And Hunter, yeah, picked up a second foul with one second left. So maybe we'll eventually have have a way to do that. Perdue will be playing.

I'm not quite sure. Does anybody here know what happened in the other results of Oh hey, you know what, Hey, I see I see a one seed, a two seed in a three seed in the sweet sixteen in the Midwest. That means the four seed is there right too, chalk Ash, If only sir, if only Perdue plays Gonzaga, I think Gonzaga is about to get their doors blown off of them. But you know what, if I hope it's close, I hope Gonzaga wins, but I don't think it's going to be close. You guys got to take I think yeah.

And then the bottom half here, two good games. Number three Creighton out last number eleven Oregon in two overtimes. They wound up winning by thirteen, but it was in double overtime. Oregon should have won this game. They were up by a bucket and had the ball missed a couple free throws. The Ducks I think are the scarier team honestly than Creighton was. I know, Creighton's pretty good. And then Rick Barnes almost Rick Barnes and an

ugly sixty two to fifty eight win over number seven Texas. Truly, the Rick Barnes Bowl would have would be no better setting for him to Rick Barnes himself. But Rodney Terry, future Burger flipper, Rodney Terry called a great play call. They are down three with twenty seconds left, where Max Abemis basically launched the ball from mars and it didn't even come close. And Rodney Terry was looking like, huh, I can't believe my play call didn't work,

as he rubbed his gigantic flyglasses. I think Tennessee beat Creighton, but I have this is the chokers region here. We got Painter, we got Barnes, we got McDermott, and we got Few. We got four perennial losers before they should lose in this tournament. I'm got to get to the final four. That's the weird part. Yeah, I derm it. I think I think Creighton's got a pretty good chance. No, yeah, I

like Tennessee. They can't score, uh, but they're but I think you guys are are falling in love a little bit with the with the highlight tapes of that. I don't think Creighton's good either. I'm gonna pick Tennessee, but I think the regions matchup. If Purdue doesn't win this region, it's never happening. This is their chance, all right, And I guess it goes back to you. I guess you get an all you can in US. I'm here back on the West, rounding out the bracket Here North Carolina

despite an early scare for Michigan State. Michigan State jumped out to an early double digital lead, but then North Carolina went on a huge run never looked back. Wins that game eighty five sixty nine where they will play Alabama, who takes down the fighting Tyon Grant Fosters and Grand Canyon in a game we thought was gonna be like one hundred to one hundred and six ended up being seventy two sixty one. Not quite the fireworks show we were hoping for.

Alabama does get by. That should be a fun one between the Tar Heels and the Tide. I think the Tar Hiels are going to get them. I think they're the much more well rounded team. But you never can have Alabama's offense. So the thing with this Alabama. They wound up winning the game by eleven, but it was a one point game. With four minutes left. Alabama scored the last ten total runout of gas by Grand Canyon Tyan Grant Foster twenty nine points and eight rebounds. He's legitimately one of the ten

best players in the country. He also gets to play free, which Bill self would never allow. That loose of eleish on him, and he did miss a bunch of shots in this game, but they were going as far as he took him. I'm with you, Lanta, and I think you and C wins. But Alabama's got an offense that should be a high scoring game. The defense is what get him. Also, I read online that you and C the average age of their starting five is basically the same as

the Oklahoma City Thunder. It's drawn up by the fact that Armando Baycot is celebrating his thirty eighth birthday next month and he's still dunking basketball's at UNC. Nick, you think the Tar Heels advance. I don't like North Carolina, but they do have kind of an easier draw Alabama's. The wheels are gonna

fall off for Alabama soon. I'm gonna say that again. I think I almost trust Nate Oates more than Hubert too, But I yeah, I North Carolina is the better team, and then bottom half of the region Landon Uh not good. If you're a Big twelve fan. Yeah, it's bye twenty seven from Ray J. Dennis. Clemson. Number six seed Clemson takes down the Baylor Bears by eight seventy two. Sixty four to get to the sweet

sixteen. Baylor was a decently popular final four pick for some and they go down pretty early, same weekend as the Jayhawks, and then Scott Drew rant here one second before you go, I we need to play the draw because there's some evidence that's been brought to my attention about Scott Drew boom. Scott Drew's a great coach, He's got a ring. We think that he's the

top prospect for a lot of these head coaching vacancies. But Scott Drew has made the second weekend of the NCAA tournament one time since two thy fourteen. That was ten years ago. He's a three seed this year, didn't make it a three seed last year, didn't make it a one seed the year before that, didn't make it three seed back in twenty fifteen, lost to a fourteen in the first round, number one for most of the year in twenty seventeen, barely made this week sixteen, then lost. I don't know,

like it's it's a little underwhelming. I'm glad they got that title because otherwise I think we'd be talking about Scott Drew like a lot of people talk about Matt Paynter and Rick Barnes. That's true, but the one thing that separates is that he did indeed win that title, winning a show and then running out at all. In the round of thirty two, Number two, Arizona takes down seven day and seventy eight sixty eight in a game that was

never really all that close. They'll go play Clemson. I think we're gonna see North Carolina make their way to the Final four. If I'm being honest, I mean it's out in Phoenix, or isn't it? Or no, that's where the is that where the final fourth? Final four? Phoenix's in Los Angeles, So Arizona should have a pretty distinct CREWD advantage there. I was hoping we'd see Grand Canyon and Arizona in LA for a pretty split house.

I think Arizona goes to the final four. I think that I trust them better than you and c and I think we get to see the Caleb love Bull. Hope you like bricks, You're gonna get a lot of the UK they play. All right, let's get on with the ask GARCB questions. All Right, Nick, you've done an incredible job. I know this is way past your bedtime. And I know you hate ASCARCB. Are you sure you want to finish the show and do a bunch of ASCARCB questions?

I'm giving you the tap out chance here. I'm in too deep, all right, I like it. Let's blow through these quickly. Here we go. Once I hear an answer, we will move along. This can be a whole bunch of random questions here. Let's see here at rock Chalking. If Zach Clements won't be back next year, what in the world was the point of him red shirting? Great question? So it can idea so he can, so he can save eligibility to go play at Eastern Washington. Yeah,

I was gonna say, so he can and look more appealing. He can say that he sat out at Kansas. I don't know. At Zigg's Weed Dickinson gets a lot of hate, which ku Big Ben under self. Would you rather have than them than him? Maybe? Udoka? My answer is none of them, Robinson, Robinson, but here but I don't. Okay, So that's obviously if I put that pull out, Oh wow,

would people it would be ninety ten. I think that Hunter Dickinson, I'm not gonna say he's a better player than Thomas Robinson, because I don't know that's true. Thomas Robinson also wasn't a center. But like I, I don't think if you put the right pieces around him, I don't think there's a huge difference in their games. I don't know, Like I'm taking yeah, but Thomas Robinson wasn't. I don't think Thomas Robinson altered as many shots as Hunter does. I don't know. I well, we know we altered

the biggest shot ever in his basketball history. Well, you want to know what helped Thomas Robinson The fact all what helped him is he didn't have to play the center because he played alongside the best defensive player in the history of the Big Twelve. That helped he had Jeff with You alongside him. I love Jeff with You. I wouldn't take with You over Dickinson either. He's not as good of an offensive player. That probably is the ultimate question.

Dickinson and with You are probably pretty even players all things considered. Dickinson good on offense, amazing on defense. To uh, Dickinson is a or with the was a great defensive player at the offense, which just kind of he took what was given to him and Dickinson is the opposite, amazing on offense and not the best defense. I would take him over everybody. I take him over Cole, I take him over Doke, I take him over Dickinson.

You guys are going to see what happens whenever you put how cheez dope couldn't create his own shot and he had two of the best passers in the history of the program, and Dodson and Garrett throwing him the lobs all the time. What do you think Dickinson's numbers would look like with those guys. They wouldn't dunk the ball. Nobody would go in just as much. It would count as the same two points. I don't know. I don't like Hunter Dickinson as much as you, that's for sure. At DJ Radar,

did head coach Bill selves health scare impact the recruiting this year? Very possibly could be. Also, everybody who acts like Chris Johnson and Marcus Adams leaving had an impact on this team. No, what didn't Bill wasn't it gonna play him anyway? He doesn't play his bitch At Bill self? Me, Dad, Hey, look at that account. That's I'll go ahead and follow At Bill's self me dad, we'll see how we'll see what fun that brings us. What are the odds? Flory? But Dounga stays if he's not

being given a starting role. Not sure if he had ever had his commitment on Twitter, but he doesn't have a tweet about it. I mean, clearly, do you think they thought Dickinson was gonna be here for one year? And that's why they recruited a center that high. They recruited Flory before Dickinson got here, though, didn't they? I think they did. I think they're gonna use him together. But yes, but Doonga needs to play

or he's gonna be like, Nope, I can go anywhere else. Yeah, and that's a lot of Also, the kJ Adams conversation is if he comes back, then all of a sudden, Yeah, you have three guys that all are probably gonna be worthy of lots of minutes. But I think Bill self is only gonna want to play one of them at a time. Yep, at J two, all right, I'll say that one at Cope fraud all right, let's just go ahead and do these here. I'm gonna

group them all together. Which players do you want back of the potential returning scholarship players. We have at Glitchen underscore Ashperd that says this team needs more shooters. At CFB four three five asks about where do we go from this year to next year. There's a handful of other questions about who comes back. Dickinson comes back, Harris comes back, Johnny's fifty to fifty kJ. I think you might be surprised. Al Marco I don't think comes back.

McDowell shrug clements, probably not. I arguments like Furfey to come back. I would like kJ to come back if the role changes at least some I wouldn't be like upset if el Marco plays. If el Marco has about the same role as usual. Uh, and then obviously Hunter and Harris is fine. I guess who's who I think is coming back and who isn't? Yeah, I don't think I only I think that only Furfey and Dickinson will be back Forurphy, Dickinson and Kg'll be back. Are you counting Harris? Oh

yeah, Harris. But that's already given. Because that's the case, they're going to return four starters. And I will also say, by the way, people including us lambassetted Bill self for saying things need to change, and then what did you do? After twenty one? He brought back four starters, right, Brown, Wilson, at Boggie and McCormick brought them all back. How'd that work out? Like? I think that Bill self though that team had a lot more potential sitting in in this one, did I think

for a lot of the time. Yeah, they have a second team All American center, They have a most improved player in the Big twelve at power forward. They have a national champion point guard. They act like this team's full of scrubs. It's just a matter of getting the piece. Is the fit, not necessarily that the pieces suck. That's largely true. I don't know. I don't know. That team had a lot of potential. This team has a lot of good players, but I just don't know if these

players do fit together. I just don't know if they do like at all. And it kind of ties in here with that Kate Eden fourteen, who says what's on my mind is I want Kay to shoot better and be more athletic. I only want Hunter and Johnny back, maybe kJ. Besides that, I want an entirely different roster. I mean that's more or less what I think a lot of people are saying. Harris is an important piece.

And also, by the way, you guys may think I'm crazy on this, Go ask any college coach who'd you rather have your choice of any freshman point guard out there or to want Harris. One hundred out of one hundred are taken to one Harris. Oh yeah, that's true. Like weird, but it's true. No doubt, Harris is a winner. Harris is a guy who can elevate his teammates. You have to surround him with the right pieces. But Harris is a intelligent, plays within his means, well coached

player. That's the sort of guy you want quarterback in your offense. I know that we watch Rob Dillingham and we're like, that'd be fun. Rob Dillingham made plays in four or five Kentucky games that Harris didn't. He also cost Kentucky four or five games that Harris wouldn't have cost his team. Yeah,

that is accurate. But nonetheless, they need someone on the perimeter next season that can go get them a bucket at any moment, and dwe Harris is frankly not that guy, and he that's yeah, Dwan can be your point guard. You just need a guy at some point that can score baskets for you from the perimeter at any moment, that can create on his own. They did not have that this year. They need that next a few

for Matt show me Hawk here. I went on my timeline after the loss and there was legitim discourse contents contesting Bill self's title as the best active coaching college basketball. He has switched down a couple of years in the past half decade with a Natty Sandwich. Then people are still trying to create a narrative. Well, I mean, if Dan Hurley wins it this year, you're gonna have some competition there. I would take Bill over any of them,

but that would change the narrative, I think, would it. Do you think Hurley be considered the best? I think I'd be incorrect, but he probably would be considered by Samia. Uh. We all know who the college basketball blue bloods are, But who do you guys think is in their second tier? Okay, let's do blue bloods talk. What is it? Kansas, Kentucky, Duke, North Carolina. I think that Yukon. I'm more of a recent game. I think Kansas. I'm putting Villanova in the blue

blood class and leaving out UCLA. In Indiana, I'm about a what have you done recently? Not necessarily what have you in the last five years, but you gotta have done something in the last fifty and ucl at least made a few final fours now and again. Indiana, yeah, I agree with Indiana not being in that tier. Still is in that tier, but they are fading. So my tier, my second tier of blue bloods is UCLA and Indiana. Probably Michigan State, Syrahcuse maybe, but they're they're fading fast

without Beheim Gonzaga probably they belong there. Honestly, Gonzaga wins a title, and they may they if Gonzaga wins a title, I'm putting them above UCLA and Indiana for now, like like it's a They've made nine straight Sweet sixteens. They just need the title. Baylor's kind of getting closer. I don't know. I don't care about what what you did in the fricking sixties when sixteen teams made it and Bill Walton was going twenty of twenty one from the

floor. UCLA has not done anything in my lifetime. I am almost thirty. I have not seen a minute of relevant UCLA or Indiana basketball would warrant blue blood status. That's what I'm basing it off of. Put in Nova and Yukon undoubtedly, are you kidding me? How are their people? They

don't think Yukon's the title for sure. People are like, well, they don't make the tournament every time, but you count Indiana who has about as many titles and doesn't make the tournament every time, Like what are we doing? What did Yukon have to do? Yeah? I think Yukon has earned that spot. Nova maybe, but they may be a product of their coach,

like now that they don't have Jay Wright. Yeah, if they never have more success after Jay Wright, then it's harder to say that because then they just become a team that had a really good coach for a minute. Yeah, and I guess they they they did have a title in eighty five, like they did have a They have had history, but but the peak was with right. Obviously, if were to retire in the next two years,

I would call Jay Wright would be my first call. Yeah. Speaking of remember whenever I listed all the coaches that retire because I didn't want to deal with nil stuff, Jay Wright. That's why else would he retire at the peak of his game. Yeah, which is probably accurate. But I also agree with Nick. He's my first call. Yes, he would say no, Uh, he probably is making every bit as much money. Yes, yeah, he left Villanova at sixty. He didn't after winning two titles

in five years. Yeah, but I'd be a but Villanova was not the top job in the in the in the sport. I think he went on, what's my top job in the sport? Is it Kansas or Duke or north of Kentucky? It's Kentucky, which might be open at some point here. How was it Kentucky? The money blue blood of all They have the most wins wink, and they have the most titles. No, you see only whatever you see the shouldn't count the most money. Forgotten about. They

also have the most money. Thing to discussed at eleven forty eight at night, Yeah, I would have been, Uh, we're about to have a real conversation about which of the worst twenty nineteen, twenty one, twenty four, who was the worst? It's this one. Those other teams finished better than fifth in the Big twelve. I think it probably is this one.

Though I think ahead to head they might beat twenty twenty one. Also, it's closer if Kansas just closes out BYU finishes third in the Big twelve, and then we're probably saying it's all a wash because they all finish third and they all are lost in the second round. Twenty twenty one and now twenty three twenty four are I think are definitively the bottom two. Twenty one was the worst team. If they're all in a best of seven series tournament,

that team loses first. Yeah, I agree, eighteen nineteen is probably right after that. Yeah, this team is better than those two. They also face the more challenging schedule than those two. They also had the same you know, roster construction whatever. This team had the worst season, but they were not the worst team in my opinion, and the last one from show

Me Hawk. Imagine if Kansas had actually lost the Creighton game in twenty twenty two, Holy hell, can you have I think if they lose to Creighton, the whole offseason is probably a little different. But can you imagine? Yeah, that would have sucked. Yeah, Bill needed that title, so at Matt Underscore, Gallentine says, read my story, I paid the price for it. Yes, so I should have read this on the last show, Matt. Sorry, I forgot about it. Now that's in the nascarcvs.

I see it. So Matt Gallentine messaged me, uh and talked about how he did a challenge where he took a shot for every three that a white guy made against Kansas in the Samford game, and he texted me the results. Texted me the results. There were only three between nine thirty and ten thirty PM. There was only the first half, but then in the second half there were a total of six between ten fifty two and eleven fourteen.

That's twenty two minutes where Matt took shots number four, five, six, seven, eight nine, and he adds then he tapped out with eleven minutes left in the game. And Matt, I know that you know this now, but it got worse. You probably have to do some shots like not retroactively because you missed a couple more. That's wild. I'm glad you're alive, Matt. Great story. I love that those sort of things.

Okay, uh yeah, then then the majority of what's left here, Travius ninety, We're very close, yes, Travius ninety nine says I want to issue a formal apology for defending l Marco. Yep, just it just didn't work. Just didn't work. You're forgiven we all had higher hopes. Also says that when K you played four round one with Dope, Bill self said he never wanted to go back to playing two bigs. I guess getting a one see with kJ in the middle wasn't enough. Do you think he goes

back to four round one? I do. I think he's two ball handlers, two shooters, and a big. I do not think kJ is going to be a thirty minutes a game guy if he's here at all. Yep, I am att accurate. Three more at Chris Siriko two. Do you think Ku has the one, kJ and Hunter all in the story lineup next year? No? I do not. We kind of talked about that. I should agree with that to the rest of them, two of them for

sure. Yeah. And then we have three or three questions left and Nick, they're all about you, actually, so we need to I group all these together here at Elliott rus and h Let's make this a lighthearted question with Nick leaving, what are your top three to five moments from Nick on the show. Anything that stands out also adds wish you well Nick, and don't

be a stranger to come back as a guest sometime. Really appreciate whenever the listeners appreciate the work that goes in and what Nick has done Landon as well, Landon, you'll have your senior night speech eventually, what Nick has done while going through bachelor school, master school and now working full time and still fitting this podcast into his schedule, Going from what how old were you in the first season seventeen? Yeah, well is that now? I was sixteen?

I think sixteen all the way to twenty twenty three or whatever. However old you are, I'm old. I'm older than you. Nick began his ITV career asking the original ITPP people questions. In the third season of the show, you listened in high school, So, oh my gosh, the amount of hours that you have put into this project just to give out that entertainment. It has been very appreciated. And I can tell you that a million times. And I know you don't really want to hear it because it's

midnight. You want to go to bed, But there's lots of people out there who definitely value that as well, I believe that this is if my numbers are correct, this is your two hundred and forty first show. We've done two hundred and forty one of these damn shows. And my favorite Nick moment. If you're looking for a favorite Nick moment, my favorite is always going to be this. That's what happens against Gonzaga and you picking Kentucky every

single year as they face plant in the first round. Landon, you got a favorite Nick moment? I have lots of favorite Nick moments. It's hard to keep specific moments. After doing so, Nick always writes he will always try to. I feel like we're eulogizing you post active women in the notes is up there? Yeah, that's where I was gonna picking Arizona in Kentucky to win the National championship this season. I never picked Kentucky to win the

National championship. Arizona win. You picked them to beat Kentucky to do it. No, I had Kentucky in the final four. Who'd you have them lose to Purdue. You must have changed it. You switched it, Okay, Yeah, that's when Kansas on the show. You had Kentucky in Arizona in the championship game, which is banana pants and hilarious. Nick always gets in the notes whenever Landon or I are reading, and he will change sentences around just to throw us off, to try to get us to say something.

And we have had to several times because something gets typed or a letter gets added. We've had to stop the recording and go back and e race it because things just get completely off the rails. I said something really terrible. Yes, that's happened before all the freaking jokes about the schools, the real listeners, you know which one. Uh, that's that's always gonna be

one of my favorites. And yeah, then whenever we're just reading a blurb and suddenly the words will change to Mandarin or one of our faces face dwelled up here, yes, like and I don't know what it says. I don't know how you want me to keep reading it. I can't read it. It's in Mandarin. That's what we love about nick. Nick is a word that's in French that looks similar to an English word. And Ryan's like, yep, got that word. I try I see, and Landon tried

this too. We try to make it sound like we try to just continue like, I think I pretty much know what it said. I'm gonna try to not make this obvious, but it just goes off the rails. And of course we can't forget how much Nick hates ask GARCB. That is so funny because that's Landon's favorite. Or I don't and I like each other and I like ACB, but I don't like. Oh wow, we're talking over each other now. It's just like old days. Uh. I like to

ask ARCB. I don't like Kansas basketball questions during to ask GARCB. We just spent an hour recapping a game. I don't need to answer more questions about KU basketball. Ask me what my favorite flavor of ice cream is. Yeah, that's beenilla, which which makes which makes sense that that's also kind of makes sense. I like this. This is a good nick drop Gel has his head up, has asked so much. I know, I know you hate that one, but you know it's okay. We're allowed to criticize

the Lord Bill's self. So yes. And the other best part is yeah, what Landon said? How uh Landon will read? Kansas is three and two all time against South Dakota State. Their last win came in twenty sixteen. Pause, pause, Oh my turn, and then Nick will go Kansas is three and two again South Dakota State, and then you know, then it usually is followed up by hmm and this and what's cool too, and I don't know, this is a freaking Kansas gon Zaga recap. The season's

over. The three of us are all from pretty different walks of life. We all came together in different ways, are similar. The pats merged in different ways. The three of us have legitimately become really good friends with the show, to the point of watching games together and having a freaking group chat that is active all day every day. Yeah, like about other things in sports. Yeah, it's it's become. It's becomes so much more than just

the show. And Nick, this isn't one, this isn't your last show, because we'll have a couple more this year. I'm sure as the as the season ends and two, you're not done forever with ITV I would hope, no, nope, yeah, just uh, I cannot do. I do not have it in me anymore. I need load management. I can't do fifty shows. He's Kevin mccoloring, folks, he's had enough and he's quitting oh, it like three seasons ago. I've been talked over ten times,

and I want to say a nice thing this one time. It's one time, and then I'll dog on him for having no love life even though I don't either, and that he sucks at reading notes. But Nick, it has been awesome to actually become friends with you over the last few years because you were just some random guy on Twitter and I was also a random

guy that wrote for rock Truck Blog and was on Twitter. And now like we've actually hung out and like had real conversations, and like I stayed a night at your apartment so we could go to college game day for ku TC interviewed on TV. Yeah, we ended up on TV together, which was wild. I don't know if I tweeted that. I think I did tweet that. But we've done some fun things and it has been actually awesome, and obviously that's not going anywhere. I'm also not dying, so we can

keep doing these things. Yeah, No, it's been It's been a lot of fun, and I hope that the listeners to appreciate the work that goes in each podcast takes you know, with the time you add and I write the notes most of the time. These two helped me out quite a bit. I mean in the showtime, the recording, like this is a three hour commitment, uh forty times a year, six or seven season. You guys have spent weeks and weeks of your time doing the show, and I

just think it's awesome. It's just a hobby that we do. So appreciate everybody's listen and your kind words. At J two, Will says with Nick leaving, does that mean that it TP will be hitting the transfer portal? Uh? Yes, and and that's also in the works. So the three

of us are gonna figure out. I've had a couple of you reach out with suggestions for what we should do with ITP going forward, needing a third spot all that, I have an idea, and I think it's gonna kind of be a rotating basis, but we're gonna all discuss what exactly we want it to do. At the end, I t P will keep on Landon and I are going next week question Mark. Yeah, that's that's that's me and me alone. I'm gonna do solo shows, right, that's how this

works. Yeah, absolutely not. I don't want that. I know the podcast is, but I don't want it to be total just yet, sir, I can I can say that. All right. Well, on that note, there is no better way to go. We already eulogize at Jayhawks. Now I guess what eulogized Nick? Who you have to go to work tomorrow. It's midnight. This is inside the paint. Good work. Thanks for all the episodes. I'm Ryan Landrith, I'm Nick Whipert, and I'm

Lanning Fields. I like it. Uh so yeah, at that. Don't don't uh, don't lose us just yet, because we'll probably do somewhere between three and five more episodes this season into the early part of the summer. Uh, probably a week or two from now, whenever there's more tournament news. There's going to be some portal news that comes out. We'll continue doing

the off season shows and then uh and and stay in active. So stay in touch and be looking because we will definitely have another show to you here in the next week or two. All right, anything else, anything else? Oh? Oh hi Bill? Wait? Bill, what's what's going on? Why are you? Oh? Oh that's not very nice? Oh wow, Bill has turned into a rabid dog. Mark fe you bet him?

And now it makes sense. Rats, that's too bad. I can't Waitin when the exact same thing happens, we do by Nick oh hm hmm, I don't like that