ITP: Jayhawks put forth lackluster exhibitions as season nears

It's go time in college basketball Land. We have actual dribbling of basketballs, shooting of basketballs at Alan Fieldhouse to talk about. And yeesh, it was a little underwhelming, to say the least. Some KU fans may tell you about the way they looked an exhibition play the next time they bounced the ball on the hardwood. It counts in the score books. Opening night is Monday.

We're gonna recap the exhibition games, give you some forty prop bets thirty prop bets, however many there are this year, and preview a real live basketball game. This is Inside the Paint Season eleven. I'm Ryan Landry. I am psychic Detective Sean Spencer. This is my partner, Lavender Gooms. I'm Lavender Goomes. Yes, thank you so much for completing that bit. I've never feeling a more satisfied in my entire life. I know this is say, not funny for calling out the bit, but Nick, oh,

perfect, perfect, I'm so glad we did that. So Landon's Landon's ascent into Joshua Brisco two point zero just continues more and more. By the show, Nick and Landon's chemistry just continues to grow, which is great. How it only took you guys, like seven seasons to throw down an alley oop on the segways a sage six or seven. Back in the start, it was really tough to even get us to like respond to each other speaking on

air. Now, I remember those days, silent bits. It's great, Yeah, Landon, Landon Harris just lobbed up an and one to to Nick Dickinson there and look at that, and oh my gosh, somehow they still only scored seventy three points against Fort Hayes State. Let's talk all about the exhibitions. It's airhorn time, it's recap time. We're gonna do this a little bit differently because I'm not here to tell you about how well against Fort A State. So Johnny Furfy two points in eight minutes, guys, what

do we think? We're not doing the stats. We're just gonna talk some takeaways and I'm gonna try to convince you guys that the season is and over before it starts. Let's talk. So the Jayhawks played two exhibition games. They played Illinois in the scrimmage for Maui wildfire relief funds. They lost that game, and then they played their usually scheduled against a lower level Kansas college

team this year was Fort Hayes State. I had some KU fans on Twitter trying to tell me that Fort hay State is easily the best of those schools, which explains why they only lost or won by eighteen. But they beat Fort Hayes State by eighteen at Allen Fieldhouse the other night. How do we want to do this? We just want to kind of give some takeaways what we saw. There's not a whole lot to analyze. You can look back at the history of these they've barely and when I say barely, they've beat

Washburn by twenty in seasons they went on to have monstrous success. They've completely gutted Imporious State in seasons they've lost in the second round. So it's not like we can even begin to say that how they played in these two exhibition games is indicative of how the season is going to go. But I would like to know you guys' thoughts on what happened, what you saw, take

it from wherever you want to go. Yeah, let's do some general thoughts on both games, and then we can do like some specific takeaways maybe on players that stood out or if there's any like very specific concerns, we can dig into it. If that's all right, you want to start with you want to start with Illinois. Illinois beat Kansas eighty two to seventy five in Champagne. It was a really good arena sort of environment. It was a

great environment for an exhibition game. They raised over a million dollars for the Mali relief the Mali relief efforts, which is fantastic, and we got to see the Jayhawks play preseason top twenty five team on their home floor. They end up losing the game. They really never let it more than like really early on, it felt like they were constantly kind of behind by two to

seven points. They go down in a very familiar sort of way with the other team making eleven threes, including some step back, crazy end of the shot clock stuff, results in a seven point l Full disclosure, I was not able to actually sit and watch these games, but thanks to the YouTube channel Matthew loves Ball, who makes like super mega stuffed highlights, I was

still able to watch like fifty minutes of basketball between the two games. So thank you Matthew loves Ball for your like thirty one minute k U Illinois highlight video. Yeah, instead of this game, we were watching Patrick Mahomes light up the scoreboard against the Denver Broncos. Yeah. Oh wait, so sad. This game seemed to be kind of odd. Kevin McCully looked great. Five threes is amazing. He made some more against against four Hayes. Twenty

five points for Kevin mccullor in this game. And yeah, I believe he made what how many threes in the two games combined? Six? I think he was six for eleven from three in the two exhibitions. He I think definitely had a couple. Yeah, No, he was ten of sixteen. What from three? No, he wasn't He was two for three against yeah, four, so he was nine of whatever. That would be. What the hell is going on with your match? Form three? Color went four

of eight against four Hayes and he went five nine. No, he went I'm an eighties the three numbers both times. There you go. I was gonna say, Spencer business, it's over. It's over. Not funny. Hey, did you see the way the Jayhawks looked in the exhibition? It was our exhibition two three? Yes, doesn't matter? Good? Yeah, plus rest of the team bad. Bad from three, Nick, save me, give me a life preserver of any kind. Yeah, well, Kansas

really in this these games needed a life preserver from shooting wise. I mean, like you said, just, I mean, in the Illinois game, you kind of ran in a teared Shannon making anything he wanted to. Kansas really didn't. Kansas really didn't reciprocate that just. I mean, both of these games started off pretty well. K you did Hunter Dickinson specifically, and

then it seemed like just became a little lax. I mean, and they know the Illinois game, they never really led in the second half, just kind of played close and never took the lead and never never got over the hump Fort hay State. You know, you start really good, get a big eighteen to six lead, and then all of a sudden, you know, I mean, you never really lose the lead. It just kind of becomes a gross just gross basketball. You know, seventy three points in an

exhibition game really uncharacteristic for KU. Not something you see usually. But I think that's just exposing, you know, a team that you have all these new pieces, and I think this is gonna be an issue We're going to see with the transfer portal. You have all these new pieces and they finally

get out, you know, and run the floor against real teams. They've got to figure some things out offensively, particularly, but you know Bill Solf, you know, the players really focused on, you know, defense. I think that's going to be hit home because it's the thing you can control the most, is if you're able to defend, and then you can turn that into scoring. But yeah, I mean, looking at this now, it's way too early to raise the alarm bells. I'm sure KU fans are

super rational on Twitter. I would have no idea superrational on Twitter about the current place we're at. Two exhibition games into this, but I think there is cause for concern a little bit on where you're going to get that scoring productivity. You know, you have a point guard. I texted you guys earlier. Ryan think thinks I overreacted. I'm not saying Dewan Harris is anything

less than an All American point guard. But you know, when you do have a point guard that isn't able to shoot the three, or doesn't shoot the three very much, that is a little bit of a liability. You got your hands tied behind your back, You've got a couple other guys Hunter Dickinson, Kevin mccolor, who are going to score a lot. They've both scored twenty points in both these exhibition games. Great production, no doubt these

guys are going to stack the stat sheet. But the question mark started rising without Arterio Morris. You know that would I think as I preface bad loss, not from a person personnel, person, human being, ethical perspective. Great decision to get rid of him for his actions, but I mean you're missing a big, a big void on the court without with him gone and his explosiveness, his ability to get to the basket, I think that's definitely

gonna be missed. You still have a question to Mark about how Nick Timberlake's game is going to translate to power five from tousand. You know, I think that great players are gonna be great players. He's very obviously. I just I think a little, you know, nervous to start the season. Hopefully that starts the form into shape, but you need big things from him.

Hopefully we're not asking too much out of l Marco Jackson and obviously Johnny Furfey a lot of excitement around him, but you're lying on freshman, you know, it's a lot like duke duke basketball players. Duke teams, it seems like they take a while to get going and they really hit their stride later on in the year. I think we're gonna see something similar with the Kansas team that quite hasn't quite gelled yet and has a lot of newcomers and

newcomers to the Division one, you know, college basketball. So yeah, the three point shooting is definitely the biggest takeaway I think from a pessimistic perspective, Kansas in these two games nine for thirty nine shooting threes. Kevin mccaller was six and eleven. Yeah, So if you take Kevin McCuller out of there, the Jayhawks not named Kevin mccullar were three for what, three for twenty eight something like that, Three for twenty yeah, three for twenty seven,

three for twenty seven shooting threes from guys not named Kevin mccoller. In this atrocity of two shooting performances, I mean, the three point shooting is gonna have to come from these four guys this year, and you know, we expect guys to make improvements, but just generalizing this, your best four options for threes are as follows Kevin mccullor career thirty percent shooter in four years. Nick Timberlake played at thousand, Johnny Furfy seventeen year old freshman, and

Elmarco Jackson, eighteen year old freshman. Those are your four guys that you're counting on the three point shot coming from. We expect Timberlake, who shot forty percent from three the last two seasons, the ball will go in the basket just fine for him. He made three and against Illinois, struggled against against Fort Hayes made one at the very end. Not concerned about him. Mcculor looks much improved, but he is still a guy who's only made thirty

percent of the threes in his career. If he can get to thirty five, they'd be a massive leap forward. Furfey and Jackson, those two guys have to make a solid amount of threes. They don't have to be Grady Dick, they don't have to be Ben maclamore. But they need those guys to make thirty four to thirty five percent of you know, make a couple threes a game. That's gonna be important. I don't think we have any dial its that They're gonna get as much inside scoring as they want. Hunter

Dickinson's gonna have an insanely high usage rate. He's a very effective player, walking bucket, clearly the sort of guy you can build your offense around. I'm a little concerned about what's gonna happen, though, Landon. Whenever we saw Fort Hayes State, it's kno going to offer much resistance. And Dickenson still did put up twenty two points in the game in Champagne against Illinois. But whenever he's not, I mean he's getting you two at a time.

And you get into a three point shooting contest with Illinois making a lot of threes. We saw how that kind of went. It was really hard for Kansas to catch up. How nervous are you about this three point shooting? And as it stands right now, is that the biggest concern for this team? I think it probably has to be, just because as you laid out, like your your top four guys, at least reasonably speaking, you know, you really only saw one make a bunch of them. Uh. Timberlake

went oh for three. I am looking at the correct column this time, oh for three against Illinois and then let's see he went. I thought he made three in that game. I messed that, No he didn't. McCuller made two and the other only one was a banked in three by Hunter Dickinson. Okay, yeah, Timberlake one five against four Hayes. And he's supposed to be the best pure shooter. McCuller definitely has looked like the best peer shooter. And yeah, it's weird. Like Juwan Harris, we know he

can make some shots, just refuses to take them. And it's not like he's a crazy high percentage, high volume shooter, even if he was a guy that wanted to take a bunch. Kind of the same with Dickinson. Dickinson can take and make threes, but he's not going to take a ton, and it's certainly the Bill's self offense. I imagine he'll take even a few less than a relatively low volume at Michigan as well. So it is gonna be interesting, obviously. I do think McCuller, again, it's exhibition

games. Who knows. He looks like he could be primed for a Jalen Wilson esque jump from a guy who was not like a spectacular scorer or shooter, but was very capable to a guy that averaged a lot of points and shot the ball quite a bit better. Otherwise, Yeah, it's gonna be really interesting. I do like that they gave Johnny Furphey number ten as if to say, yeah, no, we're just directly making the allusion to Sphema kaylik. You just are Sema kay Luke number two. And I think that's

probably what you're in for. Most likely a guy that will play a little, a guy that will make a couple of games. He will look the part of a guy that can really make a difference, and you might see that later in his career. I don't know if he's gonna be that guy this year. If he is that guy this year, then Kansas ceiling is really high. I just I wouldn't expect that from him, kind of saying with Jamary McDowell, I don't know how much you can really expect from him.

I think McDowell gets red shirt and if they have a four roster, yeah, I mean that's what it seemed like. So, yeah, three point shooting is gonna be a big concern, and it is very concerning to only see them make like what they make between the two games, like a nine threes. Oh that's nine for thirty nine. Yeah, yeah, here's I got two takeaways in the plus minus department, which I mean, takeaway from that what you will. Number One against Illinois, Kansas was plus one

with Dickinson on the floor and minus eight when he wasn't. We talked on the last show about how what was it gonna be like when Dickinson's out? Can Parker Brown fill that VOI? Can he be the Midge Lightfoot to Hunter Dickinson's David McCormick early? But the first result is no, that's gonna be a work in progress. And the second thing, al Marco Jackson was freaking terrible in the plus minus. He had the worst plus minus on the team

against Illinois at minus thirteen and Kansas was outscored by five points. He was a minus five against Fort Hayes State. Kansas is being outscored by eighteen points in the what fifteen plus twenty six minutes Almarco Jackson's on the floor, It's forty straight minutes of action and there are minus eighteen when he's on the floor. Bill Sell said after the game against Fort Hayes State that he's thinking too much. He just need to go out and play. He's a freshman.

I get it, he hasn't played an official college game yet. But man if Johnny Furfy is still hindered by the bone spurs and only was on a ten minute pica shin splints, there it is. Yeah, this brutal sounding injury. We don't know. He's not gonna be full strength for a little bit. They got to get something from al Marco Jackson, who started the exhibition games. We'll see if that even holds. I don't know. That's that's kind of my I take with three point shooting. Nick, I'm curious

for your thoughts on the depth. I think you made a really good point about Arterio Morris, who, you know, due to his own his own decisions, is not here. But that would have added a really nice a really nice piece to this team with some scoring off the bench. In that athleticism. This team's running nine scholarship players out there. I don't want this to be super negative, but I mean, I mean I was talking about

Arterry Morrison're scoring perspective alone. But yeah, you just mentioned the depth. Yeah, nine scholarship players. You know, Zach Clements is on is being red shirted, so really really shallow bench. Bill self said it in his postgame press or that the guys were already tired, which definitely not kind of concerning. I know it's conditioning isn't there yet, but that's gonna be a

very real problem for this team. Is you know, worrying about just you know, how well they're gonna fare strength down the conference stretch where they're you know, physically and strength wise. And I know that the twenty twenty two team wasn't super deep, but they just had the pieces in their starting five to neither was twelve either. But this team, I don't know if the starting five alone just really has has that you know, the same attributes as

those older teams. Well, I guess time will only tell. I'm not that concerned about the depth because well, it depends. It's an asterisk on it. I'm not super concerned about the depth if guys like Jackson and Furfey wind up being solid players. Because the twelve and eighteen teams that both made final fours, and as Nick said, twenty two it won at all the three most successful tournament teams of the last decade of Bill self, none of

those teams were deep. That eighteen team had seven guys. The twelve team had Connor t Hannle walk on as their seventh guy. So the depth isn't a huge concern as long as you can avoid the injury bug, which both of those teams did. That was the one year dope sayed healthy eighteen the whole way. But yeah, you're you're Dewan Harris rolling an ankle and Johnny furfey shin. Splint's not getting better away from legitimately having to give guys like

Mike Jankovic and Dylan will hide some minutes in these non conference games. And that's just not that's not, by any stretch the right thing right now. Positives, I don't think there's any doubt Kansas has three of the best I don't know, twenty five maybe higher than that players in the country. Dickinson's a walking bucket. He appears to be every single thing that Kansas wants him

to be. The defense has me having a little bit of questions. Not the most athletic guy might be a liability times on defense, but he's gonna be like Perry Ellis, a rich man's Perry Ellis. I think he's always gonna score enough to be worth it. Dwan Harris elite, Kevin mccollor looks terrific. They got three elite players out there. I would think that that would mean the other like, the guys that are four through seven or eight on this team just have to be pretty good and they're gonna win a lot

of games. Are the How far can those three guys living up to their billing take this team? Uh? Well, I think if you include kJ in there, I think it's really high, really high. He kJ looked pretty good too. He fouled a lot in the in the Illinois game, I think he unofficially had like like nine fouls or something like that. Does it say it says six? Okay, the refs the rest were given him because they weren't They weren't disqualifying players. They were calling fouls, but they

weren't disqualifying foul outs. Uh he's yeah, okay, if he had if he had six fouls and that's it, then the rest did him a favor. And then in the game against Fort Hayes he had he landed one, so that was better. Yeah, But I do think I do think that's a pretty high ceiling. But I do think that brings you to a similar problem that you had last season. Now, last season, the real problem was at times Kansas only had one scorer, and that was Jalen Wilson.

And I think this will not be the case with Hunter Dickinson. I think Hunter Dickinson and Kevin mccolor likely they have a good chance to always be guys that can score. But Kj's an okay score but I mean, you know, he's an undersized big. You know, he's not a shooter at all. Like there's gonna be nights where he can't put it in the bucket.

We know Dewan Harris's struggles scoring consistently, and then like we've been talking about the bench and the depth and the shooting and all that, it seems to be very much a question mark. So it is a really high ceiling. If those guys are all making it work, all playing well, all scoring, yeah, I mean, they're not gonna lose a ton on nights, and they might not be able to lose on nights where they get all four of those guys cooking at the same time. It's just more about how consistently

is that going to happen. And that's absous. What we'll have to wait and see. And I'm not concerned about the fact that Fort Hay State was only an eighteen point final. People got to stop with that. They dominated the first matters zero percent. Yeah, they forty three to twenty three at a half time. And look at the numbers. Dewan Harris plus twenty four, Kevin mccullor plus twenty six, kJ Adams plus eighteen. They were fine. The second half. They were tinkering with lineups, which is what they

do. The score doesn't matter points no matter. These are exhibition games. The Illinois game was a legitimate kind of an eye opener. It was also a top twenty five team on the road that is a little more polished than you right now, And that's perfectly fine. They win that game if Illinois doesn't go nuts from three. Okay, I'll leave you guys with one question here, unless we have more takeaways, which I think we're pretty much out of gas at this point in the segment. Did these two games be very

interested for both your answers here? Did these two games change your perspective and expectations for this team? Uh? Ever, ever so slightly lowered them. But that's Okay, with the true caveat that these are exhibition games that you can kind of take not that much from Nick for me. I mean, you guys already know that I'm not the most like optimistic person coming into Katy Baskmas season sometimes, so I don't think my expectations were too high for this

team. I knew that that without Arterio Morris, it was gonna be interesting to see what this team look like. I am. I'm not gonna say that I am impressed, particularly with these first two exhibition games, but like you said, it's just it's so hard to judge November basketball. They can go in and play Kentucky in the Champions Classic, can beat them by fifteen

points, and it wouldn't surprise me. This team has a lot to figure out, a lot of words, which you expect from a team who hasn't jailed, like I just said, a lot of transfers coming in, a lot of freshmen. So I wouldn't say it lord my expectations too much, but certainly gave me a reason to have a few questions as we enter the season. So I'm looking back to see if there's any evidence. So the team that won the title in twenty two. They're opening that they played exhibition

play against Imporia State and beat them by twenty six. And in the game against Fort Hayes the other night, Kansas led Fort Hayes by twenty eight with five minutes left, and then they put in the walk Ons and the third team and they gave up a ten oh run. The team that won that was going to be number one going into the final game against are going to the tournament in twenty twenty beat Fort Hayes by thirty. This team was up twenty eight with five minutes left. Like, yeah, the scoring is just

fine. I think that this is this team is worthy of being a top five preseason team. But just because they are doesn't mean they won't have the growing pains that any other team will. You're gonna see these teams take them else. I read online that three of the top five teams that played Secret Scrimmages quote secret Scrimmages lost Duke Law or yeah, Duke lost, Michigan State lost Perdue loss to Rick Barnes and Tennessee. So everybody is experimenting with lineups.

We're gonna get a little bit of an idea of what they look like. On Monday night whenever they're actually using some legitimate rotations. But no, let's see what happens in an actual game that counts. You don't freak out when the Chiefs offense looks eh. Well maybe you do, I don't. You shouldn't freak out when the Chiefs offense looks eh in the third preseason game.

Let's see what they look like in their opener, and more specifically, let's see what they look like through three games, two games they should win by a bunch and Kentucky. If they're two and one in those three games, in the offense is barely averaging seventy points a night, we may have some problems. I fully expect that to not be the case. All right, let's talk about some prop bets. This is gonna be a doozy.

I know that you're not feeling too hot on the Jayhawks right now, but you're gonna feel it pales a comparison how badly you're gonna feel about yourselves after you hear these answers. All right, now, we're gonna recap last year's prop bets. I know everybody's really excited for us to do this season's forty prop bets, which is spoiler alert actually only gonna be thirty because forty is way too many, and after we continuously suck out loud at this only took

eleven seasons for you to manage your workload. Yes, that's hey, that's inside the paint in a nutshell. So, uh, it's just you and I Land, and I don't understand how we screwed this up. Nick was not on the show last year where we did the props and I sent them to him. I have text evidence that I sent them to Nick, and I do not think he ever actually filled them out. So this is just

you versus me, the man who can never win pick them. Let's see if you can win prop bats, which I feel like you have won multiple times in the past. I think. So that's not exactly like worth bragging about, considering that stills under fifty percent. Mostly right, Yeah, but yeah, I'll take it. It's better than losing pick them every single season. Nicely, I guess, no grading on a curve here, but you are technically winning a couple of years. Let's see you can into it here.

So uh, yes, here are are recaps. We're gonna fly through these because this is this year's preview show. I guess, but gonna blow through what we did last year and you can laugh at our misery. So we start with one that we both got correct over under fourteen and a half points per game. For Jalen Wilson, we said over and that was not

even close. He cleared that by almost six points. Yep uh. He finished with twenty point one points per game, good for the second most in the Bill Self era, after only Frank Mason's Senior All America season number two over under fourteen and a half points per game from Grady Dick. We both said, over, what do you think? Were we right or wrong? Oh? I think we were. We were wrong right by It wasn't by a ton, but we were wrong I think correct. Yeah, not by

much. Fourteen point one. He was just under and that was over for a while. Like he was over until mid February or so and had a really rough flight. He went pretty cold. The two Texas games at the end and the Arkansas game were both way under that and that's ultimately what sunk the ship. But a good line over under twelve and a half points per game for Kevin mccullor. We both went with different answers here. You said under, I said over. You were correct. He finished with ten point

seven. I wish I could get a do over on that this year because I feel pretty good that he's going to score more than that this year. But last year just ten point seven number four over under seven and a half points per game for Dewan Harris, I was optimistic and took the over. You were very hesitant, but still took the over and we both got the point. He finished with almost nine points per game, eight point nine points per game for to one Harris, I think I would have. That's higher

than I thought it was when I was tweling this up. I didn't realize it was that high. It's little higher than I remember it. But he was really good. I mean, obviously he was. He was really really good last season. He was not the problem for the Jayhawks, and I mean they were still one seats, they didn't have a ton of problems, but he was not the reason they lost Arkansas. He kind of, I guess, wasn't that he was a non scoring guard late in March, which

you know that does doom Kau sometimes. But nonetheless, he was fantastic all season. Another to one Harris line here six point five assists per game was the over? Under here? What do you think did that go over or under? Say the line again, six and a half assists per game? Oh, I think that was also under right? Yep, not by much. Six point two. We both said over, and I'm okay being wrong

on that one. I that it feels like he should have been higher than that and probably was until the end they started losing pieces, and that was that's a fine miss this one. Okay, now here's where it gets hilarious. We both got this correct. Thank god, go ahead and breathe either sigh of relief here, because there are plenty of dubious misses, but at least we didn't miss this one. Over under ten points per game for MJ Rice we both said under and not not really that close. He finished with

two point two not We're pretty high on that guy. Yeah. That goes to show and I don't think we were alone either. Like, there were rumblings that he was going to, if not start, at minimum, be the first guy off the bench, and obviously, like the unanimous opinion going into the season was that he was gonna be at minimum, he was like a shoe in for that top seven rotation. He's an All American and McDonald's All American, Like, Yeah, silly us for thinking that was gonna that

was gonna work. Just never got off to the right foot though, obviously had all the how the injury problems and then was sick and just never caught up. Over under eight rebounds per game for Jalen Wilson split room here, I get it right saying over he finished with eight point three. Usually KU's top rebounder is in that eight to nine range, but that one could have gone either way. Another Jalen Wilson prop here over under thirty five percent from

three you get the point back that you just missed out on. He finished at thirty three point seven percent, And that was another one. I feel like I think he had like an over twenty stretch or something like that late in the season that doomed that, because that felt like that was over for a while. Not by a lot, but it seems like I remember him being in like that thirty seven percent range for quite a big chunk of the

year. Yeah, I think he was. I think you're right. I think he had a really cold stretch there for a while, which is not not shocking. He was a great player, but always a very high volume player. Over under thirty eight percent from three point land for Grady Dick. I said, under on that, because that's a big mark for a freshman. You said over and you were correct. He actually cleared that by more than two full percent, forty percent from three for Grady Dick, forty point

three to be exact. That number was close to fifty and non con and then it dipped a little bit in Big twelve play. I understand that Grady Dick did not have the best freshman season that anybody has ever had at Kansas. But man, yet, an eighteen year old kid that made forty percent of his threes, especially after what we've seen in these exhibition games, how good would it be to have him on this team? Yeah? For real, they need a guy like that who leads the Jayhawks in steals, I

said, Harris, You said McCuller. Who was right? Oh? This was These were easily the two best defenders. I don't remember, my gut, says Harris. Yeah, Harris had ten more, seventy eight to sixty eight. Mccullar also missed two games. I don't know if you would have had five steals in those two games, but that expanded it a little bit still to the two best defensive players on the team, and that stat backs

it up. We said, who finishes second in total rebounds? We both said Ernest Ouday, who finished sixth with only fifty three rebounds all season, Jalen Wilson leading the way. Kevin McCuller was the second leading rebounder last year with two hundred and thirty eight. So landon you and I only missed that by what one hundred and eighty five? One hundred and eighty five? Things right farther margins. Yeah, wait, give it five minutes. Who finishes

second in minutes? You said Jalen Wilson, I said Kevin McCuller. I think we both thought Dewan Harris would play the most minutes, and he was actually the guy who played the second most minutes. I would have gotten this wrong had you asked me this five minutes ago. Jalen Wilson played more minutes than Dewan Harris last year. That's very impressive for a big guy. Yeah, I mean that's also how the quote unquote four man is playing. It's

it's guard spot. Basically, it's it's your biggest guard. Yeah, and it wasn't by a lot Like Dwan. Harris had a couple of games where he left remember the Case State game with a concussion. It was real close. Those two were within just a few minutes of each other. Ultimately, Harris finishes second number thirteen over under thirty and a half combined points per game for the four freshmen looking for thirty and a half points per game for Grady

Dick plus MJ Rice plus zubi edge of four plus earnest U Day. You don't have to be a rocket scientist to tell me that that was an under and it was. I got that correct, you did not. Twenty point one was the line, and honestly, that's higher than I thought it would be. The guy's not named Dick who were freshmen barely got five Dick fourteen, Ouda three Rice to Zubie one. Uh. We look back at last

year, it was a good season by all intensive measures. Uh, but the freshmen other than Grady Dick didn't do enough and that ultimately sunk their ship. Right, Like, that's what you remember last year for being the lack of depth. Yeah, lack of depth, and yeah, to an extent, underwhelming freshman. I don't think the freshmen were like outright bad. MJ. Rice was not great, but like I thought, Oda and Edge of Four definitely were. They had great moments. I think they played well a

lot of the time. They just didn't get a lot of a lot of time over a great kJ season. But yeah, definitely. One of the foremost reasons, one of the foremost things I'll remember is to why that team fell a little bit short over under ten or excuse me eight over under eight minutes per game for Cam Martin. Here's wherever I start to yeat myself off the nearest bridge. I said over, and I only missed it by like, yes, he finished with well, the numbers better than it was.

He played in four games, I believe, and got two point five minutes per game total, and then just didn't didn't do anything at all after that. You correctly said, under, I've had a lot of good takes on this show. I've also had a lot of bad ones. And the Cam Martin love that I had was not good. I was right in concept, that's the exact sort of guy K you could have used coming off the bench, but it just wasn't Cam More minutes Zubi edge of four or Cam Martin.

I went with Cam and was wrong one hundred and twenty eight to ten. Good job, you get a point. More minutes Zach Clemens or Ernest Ooday. We both said Ernest Ooday and we were both correct. He played a lot more minutes than Zach Clemens two forty nine to one twelve. Ya us more minutes Zach Clements or Bobby Pettiferd. Here's where you on the banana peel. You said Zach Clements and were wrong three eighty five to one twelve.

There's the good stuff, But Bobby Pettiford was not somebody that you were high on. And you will get those points back in these because I'm about to go off the cliff. Here's what number is higher? kJ Adams points or kJ Adams rebounds plus assists. What do you think looking back on it, I feel like it's I don't know, he was a pretty good passer. I don't remember all these numbers off the top of my head. I feel like it's points, but you'd be correct. It's really not that close,

and I thought for sure it'd be close. Three hundred and eighty points, two hundred and twenty six rebounds and assists. You got this right, I got it wrong. I think it was the lack of rebounding. He had plenty of assists, but he didn't average more than like four rebounds a game. That's what did him in with this. I think we expected him to be a better rebounder and he was a much better scorer than we thought. Definitely didn't expect him to be a guy that averaged double digit scoring like

he was, who leads the team in blocks. We both said, Ernest ooday, we were wrong. It was kJ Adams with twenty nine oo day finishing third with eighteen. The more on a full season is not very much. No, it's less than one per game. That's that's quite bad. But still, yeah, I think Dickinson will have if he doesn't have more than that this year than we got problems because he got hurt more minutes per

game. kJ Adams or Zach Clemens. Your worst call of the year maybe ever, because you said, oh, Zachi boy would play more, thankj and you were only wrong twenty seven point four to five point six. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, even in a good pick of here, you need to be off fivebout twenty four minutes. So it is worth noting that that's the halfway point of this and you are only ahead on me by one. It's ten to nine right now, and you're about to expand your lead

in a hurry more minutes per game. Bobby Pettiford or Joe YESAFU, This was actually really close. We both said Pettiford and were wrong, but they were within a minute of each other. Yes, a food twelve point seven, Pettiford twelve point Oh. You know what they say in the NFL, whenever a team is going back and fourth between quarterbacks, they say, if you have two quarterbacks, you have no quarterbacks. I feel like the same

is kind of true with backup point guards. They constantly went back and forth between these two, and neither one of them were nearly good enough. Yeah, that definitely is the case. What is higher, Bobby Pettiford points or Joe YESIFU minutes? You got this right, and it wasn't close, Yes if who played four hundred and forty five minutes. The Pettiford's seventy one points

just got Pettiford wrong. I thought he'd score more. He looked like a guy who would have a lot more interest than getting to the basket, and he just didn't look to score. He wasn't watching so much of anything. Yeah, except for turning it over in very unopportune times. Who has the most points in a game for KU this year? I don't know how we

missed this. We both said Grady Dick and Jalen Wilson not only had the highest scoring game, but he had the top four, including all three thirty point games scored by a Jayhawk. The record obviously was the thirty eight points at Kansas State. But I don't know how neither one of us said Jalen Wilson would lead. I would assume the logic was just that we thought Grady was capable of dropping like a nine to threes game and grabbing like a thirty

five spot. We just didn't think Jalen would get there. I guess. Was Grady Dick underwhelming? Was Grety Dick underwhelming? A little bit? A little? He had a totally fine season, but he was way too streaky for my liking. I at least thought he'd average more scoring than Ben Macklamore did, and that's no slouch. Numbers like Maclamore should have been the big twelve Player of the Year. He averaged almost sixteen a game as a freshman.

But yeah, I thought Grady Dick was gonna was gonna flirt with seventeen or eighteen a night, and just hey, he kind of did a non con play. The Big Twelve played in much tougher good defenses. In the Big twelve over under four and a half times that Grady Dick scores at least twenty points. This is one that he gets in his column. He did it seven times. You got it correct. With the over over under zero point five bill self technical fouls, we both said over. He definitely got

one. I don't remember where, but he definitely got one that's being taken out this year because that's always an over. Does KU win more games in November than the football team wins on the season? Close final here, you put your faith in Lance light Bulbs, Jayhawks, Jalen Daniel's injury and whatever the hell that was in the bowl game on the two point try is what screwed you here, because the basketball team won seven games in November and the

football team only won six games on the year. Pretty close, yeah, very nicely close. Usually that's not even like that would be a stupid one to have, because it'd be zero to any number that's greater than zero. Yeah, normally it's how do they Does a basketball team win more games and opening week than the football team does all year? And at least not anymore?

This is funny. Over under two and a half players that start at the center position for Kansas, hey landon how many different players started at the center position for Kansas out of thirty six games. I I think it's just one. It's one. It's kJ Adams. That's the only guy you started. We were not good on that one. Got this one right? Who leads Kansas in free throw percentage? Grady Dick? Yes he did eighty five percent. Case you win the Big Twelve? Yes, point for both of

us. Need the Mario Coy noise on that one, because that feels like that's always a pretty safe one. Does K you win the Big Twelve tournament? You said, no, good job. Does K you win the Battle for Atlantis? You said, no, good job. I'm not reading my own answers on those Is KU top two seed in the ncaaas we both said, yes, they were. They were a one seed. Over under two and a half NCAA tournament wins. We both went with the over, and

we were both wrong. Obviously they lost to Arkansas, but you know they didn't other coach who knows how that would have gone, probably wouldn't have gott past Yukon. A lot of people think is a sentiment anyway, So either way that would have been an l They would have had to beat the team that won it all to get there. So it's not like that was ever a layup. Over under eight and a half wins against schools from Texas and Oklahoma. They wound up playing fourteen games and they barely got there. They

won nine. We both got the point there. Five left here over under one and a half games that Cave scores at least one hundred team points, and they did not score one hundred once. The most they scored was ninety six against Howard. Based on the way the offense has shot the absolute piss out of the basketball in the exhibition games this year, I think I think that we're in a great position about the over this time. Does KU lose

a game by at least fourteen plus? Hey prompts to both of us for learning that this is an auto Yes, every year because once a year they get their doors blown off at Alan Fieldhouse. They lost by at least fourteen points five times last year Tennessee, TCU, Texas, Texas, and Iowa State. Five big losses. Yeah, that's the last year was a little unfun at times. Speaking of big losses. Is the Missouri game within eight points? We both said it would be. It wasn't. It was actually

twenty seven points, so not quite. I'm shocked. I said that in hindsight, I man really dumb. Hey, we thought Missouri would be better and they were. They were. They were an NCAA Tournament seed. You know what I remembered last night? Missouri lost to a fifteen seed in the NCAA tournament. Oh yeah they did. They lost to Princeton, and I couldn't believe I forgot. Yes, yes, they are the second team them in Arizona become the first two teams last year to lose multiple times to a

fifteen seed in their history. Yep, let's see four to go here, three to go? Is Kentucky within seven points? I said yes, you said no. They wound up beating them by nine. Not in the way that I think we thought that was gonna be answered at the start of the year, but it was a Kansas by seven plus win. Does kay you lose at home? Yes, obviously that's an easy one. Every year now they lost a TCU and the last one over under sixteen and a half total

points for the walk Ons. You went with the over, I said under, and the walk On scored fourteen, all by Mike Djankovic. The other walk Ons did absolutely nothing. There's a commercial, a State Farm commercial just came out of Dereck Henry flipping over a refrigerator like it's absolutely nothing. I moved a refrigerator the other day. I just had to pull it out about a foot to get something back there, and I was sweating profusely just moving

it across my kitchen floor about six inches. And that man just picked it up and flipped it on its head like it was nothing that could be. It's a commercial. You never know. But he is a superhuman so he is he is. I don't doubt he's not the same species as I am. I'm pretty convinced. So the final totals landing, you got twenty three out of forty prop bets, which that's pretty good. I'll give you some.

I'll give you some applause for that one. I only had eighteen, which I thought would be much lower telling originally, but we throw some layups in there, like the big twelve and the technical one, and I'm not feeling too hot. So congrats. You've now gotten a win in every single thing you possibly can except for pick them, and that is the way it will stay. All right, Let's do this year's prop bets now, thirty prop bets. I'm not gonna do forty this year. We're just doing thirty

because forty is a lot to sort through. Nick, you didn't participate last year. This time you're back in. Are you ready to dethrone Landing? Because we know he's no threat to win the Pick Him crown. We need to make sure that we take away the only thing that he has a chance at winning. You guys did terrible last year, so I don't even know if we can say Landon really won. I mean, the pro bets are terrible. Yeah, well, we'll see if this year is is better.

Okay, let's open this up with who leads a team in scoring? Question number one over under eighteen and a half points per game. For Hunter Dickinson, I'm a little more torn on this than maybe I should be, but I'm gonna go over a close under. Okay, I think this is easy that this team he's scoring, He's gonna score a lot of points. Give me all the over on that. It like the low watermark for this is gonna be like sixteen to seventeen. I think Hunter Dickinson gets to twenty.

I think he is going to be their entire offense this year. Yes, I like the over big Troell player the year, Hunter Dickinson number two over under fourteen and a half points per game for Kevin mccullor. Over over. That's too easy? Do I need to raise that? All right? Let me go, let me let me until we split the room here, fifteen and a half over? I still think. I still think over all right, I'll go under on that one. I don't know, like that's easy,

that's right. Fifteen's right around where he's gonna be. Yeah, well we'll leave it there. That's pretty good. Number three, who is the third leading scorer on this team. I'm gonna go kJ. That's pretty good. It's gonna have to be kJ, isn't. It's not gonna be to one. Yeah, I'm gonna say it's Harris. I'm gonna say Harris takes a step this year. He had nine last year. I'm gonna say gets

about twelve this year. I'll say number four over under nine and a half points per game for de one Harris, I will say, over under how you did the average last year eight point nine. I'll take the over. Then i'll take the over. All right, if we're all agreed, I'm gonna move the line ten point zero under game. Okay, I'm going I'm

going on it's under ten. I think it's over ten. I think you there is a scenario where he, because of Dickinson and mccoler being a stud, his scoring takes a minor step back and the assist numbers go up. But I think that this team needs his scoring. I and Bill self, we hear it all the time. Bill self wants him to score more. I'm gonna say it over. I think he gets about twelve. You guys

both won an under on ten. I do yeah, all right, all right, we'll see next one over under six and a half assists per game for Dwan Harris, I will take an over there. It's a lot of assists, a lot slight over, but man he's averaging twenty twenty two. He's six point two. You said six point five over under yep, yep? Or seven? You want me to change it to seven? What'd you say? Originally six and a half is the line I said? He gets the seven. I think I think over six and a half under seven.

Okay, you take an under on seven point Oh yeah, all right, I'll take an over on seven point Oh landon, I'm no, no, never mind, I want to Oh we're all going under. Okay, fine, slide it back six and a half under over all right, there we go over under nine rebounds per game for Hunter Dickinson over. We're talking like twenty and eleven over. God, that's a lot of words under. It's a lot of rebounds. But if anyone can do it. Who finishes second

on the team in total rebounds? K j Adams Ah, those are the two answers. I'll say mccullor. But man, that's gonna be close. Who leads Kansas in three point percentage? They got to make at least twenty, So we're not counting Mike Jenkovic going eight for fifteen. It's gotta be Nick Timberlake. Wow, you think I think it. Yeah, yeah, I think we don't know anything about these guys at all. Nick Timberlake could suck against quality competition, but I think, yeah, by default, who

else is it? I think? I mean, I think mccoller by all measures, will end up being a better shooter than him this season. But I think on pure percentage, it might be it might be Timberlake. If I changed it to number of threes made, does that change your answer? I wouldn't. For me, I easily, I think I think easily, I'll go McCuller. If it's number oh really, yeah, all right, then then I'm gonna change that because that makes it interesting who makes the most

threes? Kevin McCuller. I think it's like, if it's not Tip, if it's not Timberlake, something's wrong because that's a piece that they need bad. Like I think if if mccoller is the answer there, that Kansas team's worse. Maybe I think that's the truth. Though over under ten minutes per game for Johnny Furfey, under under he's gonna be hurt. I think it's an over I think self views him as the seventh guy on the team, Like I think he has to play who else do they have They can't play

everybody. Thirty nine Misses also said that Tyon Grant Foster was one of the best JUCO players I've ever seen, So I did say that, Yeah, and Tyan Grant Foster. I haven't seen many JUCO players, but the ones I've seen, he was not one of the best. Over under seven great,

I guess the line would be he was started one for one. I remember that on Thanksgiving against Gonzaga in front of no fans, he made a three and we were like, whoo, Kay's neck and neck with the number one team and Bryce Thompson and ty On are leading the charge, and oh that was a dark season after that. Over under six and a half games where Hunter Dickinson scores at least twenty five I think man I said under on

eighteen and a half, but I think it's really close. I think he might be a smidge spazy against big twelve defenses, but I think he'll have some huge nights, so I guess i'll go over. Mostly think he has at least seven to twenty five point games. Okay, I'm gonna take a slide under. I think it's a slide under, but you know that the answer for this, if he doesn't get hurt is somewhere between like five and eight. It's real close. Over under ten and a half points per game

for kJ Adams over that seems easy. But I'm gonna say under yeah that that that line seemed easy when I was riding it. Now I don't. I don't think it is. I just don't. I think Dickinson's gonna eat up too much. Who leads Kansas in free throw percentage? They have to attempt at least twenty Is it racist to just assume timber Lake is a great free throw shooter. I'll go with the one. Let's say it's McCuller. Mccullar is a really good free throw shooter. He's better than Dickinson. I'm

gonna say, McCuller. Let's see next one here over under thirty six percent three point shooting for Kevin mccullar, say thirty five? I agree? Slight? Okay? Thirty five? Uh slight? Wow? Still yeah, I don't know. I don't think I can go over on that. What was his percentage last year? It was like thirty one. I think how I'm gonna sander okay landon if you say the if you say he makes the most threes and he's not even making thirty five percent of him, that's double bad.

Yeah, I guess that's what I'm saying. Yeah, I think it's an under two. I think he's going to take a leap, And I would love to be wrong on this, but I I just do not see how you're gonna go from a guy that shot thirty percent for four years, because he's been very consistent with his numbers. Each of his last three seasons, it's always been between twenty nine and thirty one percent. If that guy can go over thirty five, then oh that's awesome. But I just not

convince it happens. So I will take a slight under over under ten and a half points per game for el Marco Jackson, way way under. I mean, yeah, don't know who's landon has him going under on basically every points line. Nick is pretty split. Okay, I'll change it to seven and a half. I'll go I'll bend the line a lot seven and a half. I'll say over on this one. El Marco will be fine.

Over under. Wow, Okay, Lannon. If Kevin mccullar leads him in threes and doesn't make thirty five percent of them, and El Marco can't get to eight points a game. This team is triple bad. Yeah, that might be true. And according to you, Dickinson's an under and so Kevin mccullor better score forty. The Dickinson one might be a bad take, but that's a lot though. That's a high line. We'll see. I don't

know that. It also just may lead to them being winning every Big twelve game sixty three to fifty eight, like, which you know Bill loves to do that. I do think this team's gonna be really good defensively, to be fair, they were last year too, and that led to a lot of those type of Big twelve grind out wins. Yeah. Who leads the team in overall steals? You got two great picks. I think it's Wanda, yes steals, Uh yeah, due one Harris. Who leads the team

in total fouls? kJ Adams, I think it's Dickinson. I think Dickenson is gonna play the most, so I'll say he has the most fouls. But boy, if that game in Illinois any indication, Yeah, I'm gonna say kJ Adams, Yeah, uh over under nine point zero minutes per game for Parker Brown under between kJ and Hunter. I don't think he's gonna play.

Yeah, there's too many minutes to go around. Okay, over under seven minutes per game for Parker Brown over yeah, okay, over under eight minutes per game for Parker Brown under Overna, I think it's eight eight point zero. You think he everges eight point zero zero zero zero zero minutes? All right, I'll take us ever so slight under there. I think it's over on that. Bill self likes to play backup centers. That. I mean, we saw him play Mitch more than we wanted. We saw him

play and then Lucas went at times. Yeah, I'm talking about like a pre good landon Lucas way back in the cliff Alexander days. I like this fluid motion lines. This makes it more fun. It's like betting lie. Yeah, it's like the like learning curve thing and the show as you get better huh yeah, Yeah, it prooves for you and then it ticks up a little too high and I swing and miss at seventeen straight pitches and it

dies back down into the ground. Yes, Homer, Homer, Homer, Yeah, I was gonna say, Homer Homer, Homer, followed by twelve outs and then all of a sudden it gets better. Yeah, more starts Nick Timberlake or el Marco Jackson. Oh, that's a that's a good one. I think it's gotta be Timberlake, though it's Timberlake. I think it's Jackson. I think it's Jackson. I think el Marco Jackson's a better basketball player. Like if he's not, then gosh, I don't want which.

Al Marco Jackson probably should start some games, but I think Timberlake will start more. Who would have been your answer to if had you not seen the exhibitions? Is your answer the same? El Marco started probably is the same. Honestly, guys, we're doing the freshman thing again. I'm gonna say it's Almarco Jackson. If he's not good, boy, this team's gonna take a big step back because we were counting on Jackson, Timberlake, and Morris.

They needed two of them. Well, one of them's gone. So if el Marco's not good either, that means they can't get to two of those three being good. They need al Marco Jackson to be good, and I'm gonna say he does all right, does Kansas win the Maui Tournament. I said no in the last show. No, gosh, you guys are haters. Yes, they win the Malli Tournament. They're not losing a tournament with Matt Pater and Shaka Smarten there, they've done it before. I don't

see this team. The team at this point is not winning three straight games to start the year. You haven't seen any of the other teams though. How do you know they're not the best out there. I'm not saying they're not the best. I'm saying they're not going to win three straight all right. Well, they haven't won a tournament a while, so you guys may be honest something. Does Kansas win the Big Twelve? Yes? Yeah, yeah, we said pretty easily. Not close. Yeah. Does kans just

win the Big Twelve Tournament? I said no in the last show, So I'll stick with that. They win it more often than not. I'll say, yeah, they do. They win it like fifty five sixty percent of the time. I'll go with it. Does Kansas earn one of the four number one seeds in this year's tournament? Based on the last show, This would have to be yes. Based on my prop vibe, it would be

no, but I'll say they do. There's no scenario where they win the Big twelve, as you guys both said, quote fairly easily and don't get a one seed. Yeah, no scenario. They're a one seed. Nick, you agree, Yeah, yeah, unless the Houston fans have something to say about Ith, Yeah, that's Houston's got. If Houston earns a higher sea than Kansas this year, we can't bitch about it much. Because they're

playing the same schedule. Over under three and a half wins in the NCAA tournament, you're basically saying final four or no, Yes, they go to the final four. This is the best team in the country. I picked them in the final four, so sure I'll go over three and no. Wait, Landon's picks here are a roller coaster over under zero and a half home losses, And you don't know, Ryan, maybe I'm picking them to win every game sixty to four. Over in there, Tony Bennett, come

coaches audition, I'm not watching this last one. Do they lose a home game? Yes, I'm gonna say they don't. I'm gonna say this is the year they run the show at home. It feels like home gets from or I agree, I'm gonna flip that. Yeah, because if you think they go seventeen and one in conference play, are they losing to Missouri or Yale? Yeah? No, I'm yea, I'm gonna flip that. I think they do run the table. Speaking of Missouri and Yale, here's a

little sneaky question for you. What game is closer Missouri or Yale. I'm gonna go Yale on the basis that that will be a sleepwalk game for the Jayhawks. Yeah, I see That's where I'm geting you there, Nick, Are they Is it closer against missoo or Yale? Missoo? I think it's Yale too. I agree that I've watched this team. I think they've beat Mazoo by seventeen and they beat Yale by like eleven. Yeah. The Yale games like three days before Christmas, So that just screams sixty eight fifty eight

or something like that. And we're all sitting there on the couch being like, man, it's Christmas time. Why did I spend two hours of my life watching that horrible basketball game? Does Kansas lose at least one game by fifteen or more? Yes? Yes, This smart answer is yes, but they I think that the floor is too high. I'm gonna say no game where they go like one of twenty from three and it's the one game where

Hunter goes like for fifteen and eight instead of twenty and an eleven. Well, then in that case they're scoring like twenty five points the whole game, because that's just a horrible like unless you think el Marco Jackson's rising from the ashes to score a season high twelve points, then that game's gonna go very poorly for KU. Well, that would be there. Every year they lose a home game by at least fifteen, So I stand to lose two prop bets in one game if I get at this point. But I'm gonna say

no, they do not lose by fifteen. Last year they lost a bunch of times by that many, but not this time. Nobody beats them by that many five years in a row. I'll say no. Over under three and a half wins in the four games against the Oklahoma schools. Yes, Oklahoma schools are terrible. They are really bad. So I'll go, yes, they do win out I hope, So I think like seventeen to zero conference Yeah, no kidding, I'll zig where you guys zag here, I'll

say they lose a still Water game. Feels like we're due for one of those clunkers. We'll see if Porter Moser beats them, we all have to quit because Hunter Dickinson has to go work in insurance sales if they lose to Oklahoma because a Porter Mooser's a complete imbecile. I say they lose the point and in still Water when some dude that's shooting twenty three percent on threes make

six, because that happens every time down there. Here's a tough one here, especially for for you Landon, who has him winning a bunch over under two and a half wins in the three games at Baylor, at Houston, at case State. That is, it's over two and a half. You said, obviously, yeah they got oh sorry, over under? Yes? Do they wait, wait a minute, do they win at least two okay, over under one and a half one and a half wins against Baylor, Houston, Case State? The three road games? Yeah? Yeah, say

yes, really I think I hope they do. I think they lose two of those. They haven't won in Baylor since the Dope game. And okay, so you have him losing at least two, yeah, and Landon. You think that they you think that they only lose one? Yeah. I don't think they're losing in Manhattan back to back years with this case state team, and I think they will win a game against one of the other two. Okay, I like it over under fourteen and a half wins in the

big twelve over over? Okay, what if I make it fifteen and a half. This is a hard line of set fifteen and a half big twelve. We'll go under that over because I had them at seventeen and one, So all right, yeah, that's I'm lookingna slit through. I think fifteen and three is the number. I don't know how they get there, but I think fifteen and three is in number. I'll say under two more, which game is closer? Oh? We already did Missouri or Yale last one?

Over under twenty seven point five points for the walk ons, higher line than usual because they have seven walk ons and a lesser bench than normal. Do they get to twenty eight points as a walk on unit? I say no, slight under. I agree, I'll say over all right, look at us, Well, I think we split the room on everything that wasn't like a do they win the Big twelve claim? So that was that was pretty good. All right, good work, guys. Let's do some Those

are our thirty prop bets. Let us know in the ascars. Do you like the prop bets? I don't know if those are fun to listen back to, if it's really boring, if they're kind of fun. I think they're pretty cool to do and look back on at the end of the year. So let us know if you like them, and you'll have the segment to have your voices heard. Next, Nick, put on your put on your happy face. It's time for ASCARCB. My first question is from at

Ryan on a scorlandri with Nick, why do you hate ASCARCB. I don't hate ASCARCB. I hate how ASCARCB came to. Let's pick the Texas basketball coaches soft color for tomorrow's game. All right, here's my next ascarcbu. Do you guys think that Jennifer Coolidge's Old Navy commercial from last year is the worst out of all time? It's up there. I miss it because I heard Jennifer Coolidge and Old Navy and my brain shut off. And here's you

jumping off the bridge. There you go, splash. Hey, but at least you may have suffered fifteen broken ribs, but at least you didn't have to listen to her saying sorry, not sorry again, which honestly they feel about equal levels of pain. All right, here we go, Landed. You have it up? Am I reading this all by myself. I no longer have access to X, so you're reading them? Ah, you're letting Elon down, sir X. I can't believe the every name that still?

Oh my gosh, how many sports teams could Elon musks? How many NFL teams could he have bought with the forty four billion he paid for Twitter? Like seven? Right? Yeah? No? How much did the Redskins sell for? Like five? Right? It was like six billion? Yeah? There you go. W Yeah, he could have bought the Broncos. The Broncos just sold for like four and a half. He could have bought the MLS League. Yeah, he could have bought the NFC East seriously, and

he bought Twitter. What is wrong with you, sir? Well we know that at k tweets and news leading off here is Parker Brown on the closest thing to Mitch Lightfoot. That isn't Mitch Lightfoot. Now that's that clements Yeah, God, the same. No, Senior Mitch Lightfoot would be a welcome addition to this year's team. Senior Mitch was good, like actually good. Okay, let's not let's not, let's not throw around the G word like that. Senior Mitch was okay, he was a fine backup big He was

good will in comparison to the sophomore Mitch. Yes, he was also maybe will in comparison to Parker Brown. I hope if Parker Brown is Mitch Lightfoot, then that's gonna make Hunter Dickinson better because he's gonna actually be able to rest without games going to hell? Right. Kevin mccullar airs, Wow, okay, tweets you new. It's like you saw this over under thirty five

percent for Kevin mccullar from three. I think we just did that. We all took an under, didn't we We all took the under on thirty Yeah, feels right. It's close. It's real close at dick underscore Taser, our favorite mister wanker. Two types of KU teams, it seems, oh man. Two types of KU teams. It seems they're either an up and down through season that gets it together late and ends the season on a great run, or they have a really great regular season with a few small hiccups

and then a big choke job in the tournament. Which one is this year's team gonna be the second one? I fear thirty and three and an eight seed loss. Yeah, that feels more likely. I don't think this team is winning thirty games. Personally, the parody in college basketball has gotten a lot better since those types of self teams, where it's really hard to navigate through a regular season schedule without it, because I mean half the Big twelve

used to be dog poo. Now that ninth best Big twelve team is going to be an on the bubble team on selection Sunday. I think that they're probably a twenty eight ish win regular season team, which would be really good. I mean, last year's team won twenty seven before the tournament, so uh, I think it's kind of in the middle. I think if they're as in the middle of that as you can get. Here is a handful of questions from Rock Chalk aj Let's go rapid Fire. Naturally. Bill criticizes

the defense in the exhibition game. Cay You finishes top what in terms of defense at the end of the regular season, top five in the country, probably top ten. Yeah, they're elite. Yeah, somewhere around there. Over under thirty one percent shooting threes as a team. Oh my god. If it's under, I'm done watching this sport. Yeah, that bet'll be over. I mean, what were they last year? Like twenty twenty two,

twenty three Kansas Basketball yadi naughty nine, I need elevator music. Last year's twenty twenty three Kansas Basketball Jayhawks shot thirty four point seven percent from three. Damn. If they're at thirty one, then that's an Oh you want to talk about a good utilization for the drop, they're gonna be about what last year's team was. They don't have Grady Dick, but they have better depth. Thirty five percent thirty one is too low. Who starts at the

two on Monday? And will it be the same player on Friday? Yes, it's el Marco Jackson. Twice, that's Nick Timberlake twice. Yeah, Nick Timberlake twice. I don't know, guys. El Marco Jackson does so that the ten things that basketball players need to do, el Marco Jackson does better than Nick Timberlake at how do you know you've seen him play in two exhibition games? I've I've seen four years of Nick Timberlake stats to know that

el Marco Jackson is a better athlete. He's more explosive, He's a better defensive player. He should be at least, there's no reason that a top twenty high school player who is a six foot three shooting guard can't be better than a three point spot up shooter who couldn't get out of thousand until his fifth year stars in freshman Quinton Grimes. God, he just ripped my life apart with a few short words. AJ Who would be the best wide receiver

for the Chiefs from this current K team? Hunter Dickinson. He's seven to one Kevin McCuller because he's six seven, but faster. Imagine throwing fades to Hunter Dickinson, who is a foot taller than Julio Jones. That would be insane. That'd be pretty wild, I don't think. But he's open, but he that would be fun to see. He would he would look very slow on an NFL field, but he would also just like I mean, it'd be the definition of effort. He's down there somewhere. Just let him

go catch the ball at the next dimension. What are the chances McCuller ends up being the best player on this team over Hunter Dickinson. I think there's a there's a chance. There's a chance that it's a subjective terming. Mccullar is not going to score more than Dickinson unless he just goes a small chance he does. Actually, but you think McCuller could be an eighteen points a

game, guy, I really do. I think he really could. What Kevin mccahr is a top what player in basketball right now entering the season? Is he a top fifteen player in college? I think so. I think he's like a top two player in the Big twelve. I don't know. I want to see it. I want to see it. We like, oh, Chaia Baji scored seventy five points in three games, and we were like, oh, yep, jump. Jalen Wilson had that monster game against Duke last year in the Champions Classic and we were like, oh, yep,

superstar. I want to see what Kevin mccullar does in the first week of the year if he's over twenty three to three games sold until we get there. This is a guy with five years of four years of sample size, and he's been about the same statistical player in each of the last three I want to see the leap first. If he's better than Hunter Dickinson, it's either because he is a top five player in the country or Hunter Dickinson

is a massive disappointment. I think there's a much better chance of the former than the latter. I do too, I just don't think either one of them is super likely. At AJ Stevenson, which player on the KU football team would be the best addition to the basketball team? Not JILLN Daniels, He wouldn't play at all. Kind of a Billy Preston situation. Billy Preston

didn't play because of NCLGA wood. He didn't play because he alert, Hey, I will tell my grandkids one day that I was at that exhibition game where Billy Preston scored like six points the day that he crashed his car or whatever, and it was an impermissive, beeniful benefit car and he never played

again. And he also played in the Zoo exhibition. That's right, a game if they raised a lot of money for the hurricane or is that the one you were talking about, No, he played against whatever crap team they played, like Imporious State. That year he played in the exhibition, and

then we found out. I remember walking to Allen Fieldhouse for the opener that year, in like forty five minutes before tip off whenever I read on Twitter that he's out because of they were investigating him, and it was, oh crap. I remember. One of the first things you ever asked me on the show ever was whether or not they should play Billy Preston against Kentucky or what his role would be, because would he be ready for the spotlight against

the Wildcats? And I was very intimidated by your loudness in your room, your aging. You're aging r time on this show basketball for real now, okay? And I was like, I don't know about Billy Preston. And then it didn't matter what my answer was because he didn't play a single minute

all season. You guys have been on this show so long. That original episode we were talking about should Billy Preston play, and a seven year IARP thing, partially because of Billy Preston played out and it's over now and you're still here. You guys are nuts at the answer for with the answer for which player for the football team is Bill trying to recruit? I mean, geez, I would love to have Kenny Logan as my two guard right now.

That'd be nice. Mason Fairchild could do a little James Sinska impersonation. Yeah, big game. James Sisinski scored the final bucket of a Final four game for Kansas. Did I wish it was meaningful at all? But it wasn't it. No, it wasn't unless you bet on Kansas plus seventeen and a half, and then it would have been quite beneficial at Vasquez BD eighty five. Are you worried about Dewan he has seen disengaged these first two games on both ends. No, zero percent, No, not at all.

I'm a little word man back. Give me jimme tell Mawie, gimme tell Mauie if we're talking about I want to see three games from a player before I annoint him as really good, and I want to see seven games of somebody before I panic. Remember David McCormick, we said, let's wait till the tournament that they played that year in Orlando before he panicked, and Dave was better, and we were like Okay, really not time to panic after

he looked really bad against Michigan State. Same thing here. If Dewan Harris has a eh first couple of games, not gonna panic. Things still aren't right before the Maui tournament or after the Mali tournament, then we'll talk at Drew Walton or at Drew Eyton. Why do we recruit Justin Timberlake could Then he corrected himself with a laughing face to Nick Timberlake. If he can't make threes, he hasn't. He hasn't officially shot any threes. At Kansas,

he made forty thousand tiers in a row. He will make threes. I don't know what else he'll do, but he will make threes, hopefully. We also said that about Cam Martin, But then again, Cam Martin was d two. Big difference between the two. Yeah, he didn't get a chance. Cam would have been Cam would have been wilt had Bill just given him a few more minutes. I think Timberlake will be fine. Yeah,

he'll be just fine. At Evan eight five nine four three five nine four four with two questions, the first of which I screenshoted and have in our notes now because it made me laugh. Could you shoot better from from three than the Jayhawks? Uh? Yes, honestly maybe if I'm wide open and no one's watching me. Sure, no, we would lose to the worst middle school team in the country. If we played basketball, we would not shoot better than three from three from the Jayhawks. But maybe in this situation

it wasn't good other than Kevin mccullar. Quite possibly, and also from Evan. Which lineup will be the best defensively? And if it's a different question offensively, are they the same? Are they different? What's the most important currently? I think that answer is probably the same. Probably, Well, I mean it's Harris Timberlake or Harris Dickinson, Adams McCuller and who else Timberlake

and Jay You think Timberlake's better on offense and defense than Jackson? I think if you're going for your A plus defense, it probably is Jackson over Timberlake, I would imagine, And I think A plus offense is hopefully Timberlake there instead. But I think four to five are the same. God, if I'm just saying now, if el Marco Jackson isn't a better player than Nick

Timberlake, they're boned. Well be prepared to be boone sir at Alex Fisher Ku a round of golf with Bobby Knight or a round of golf with Dean Smith. Well, they're both dead, so it would take quite a while. Gotta be Dean, right, I mean? Or was Dean Smith like the worst person ever as well? I mean, Bob Knight may hit you with a club, so you gotta be careful. Dean Smith was like,

okay, right or all, haven't heard anything that would suggest otherwise. Bob Knight obviously one of the best basketball coaches ever, but not the best dude at times? Sound like that. Jay Bills was talking about this on Sports Center, so that he made a lot of improvements throughout the course of his life, which is good. I mean, both of them could tell a ton of stories. Love listening to what Bob Knight talked about coaching up Michael

Jordan in the Olympics. Some of his stories brilliant basketball. Mine would love to pick both their minds. Nick, question for you. At Basquez BD eighty five in Puerto Rico, we didn't look great, but we looked fast and you could see glimpses of elite defense. Now they look slow and low energy for forty minutes. Is it all from Ourtario or is there more to it? I have no idea how you could say it's all Artario Morris. I don't know. I know they're slowing. They're not as fast without Artario

Morris, that is true. I also don't know how we're basing this off of two exhibition games, one of which was a coin flip till the end and the other they won. They were up by almost thirty when they pull all the starters. And also that first one against a good team, mind you, Yeah, a good team that was having a crazy good day and in an actual, like real road environment. We think this team's gonna be

a top ten defensive team that gave up eighty two points to Illinois. Like, if that game counted, that would be one of the five highest scoring outcomes, maybe three highest scoring outputs against Kansas all year. I imagine it it might be anyway. Yeah, honestly, a couple more here at the next dimension. Are we already did that? Two more at Boxman Ku. Are we still planning to red shirt Zach Clements and only have nine scholarship players?

Yes, they said that is the plan and that there are injuries to one or two of the nine, are the walk Ons capable of contributing, added that he thought while there, Evan or Evers looked fairly athletic out there, and Jant can shoot. Yeah, those are the two that would play the most. But I don't think that if they have multiple injuries, they're pulling the red shirt off Clements before they are starting walk Ons or playing walk

Ons. Yeah, I don't. I don't think. I think the only thing that really could happen with the walk Ons is maybe you get a Clay Young situation where someone has like a short term injury and they just need a guy for ten minutes and it's just in December. Yeah, I think that. I think that you're one Parker Brown bangs his head into the floor and

misses three weeks away from pulling the red shirt off Clemens. Though. Yeah, if you get if you get an injury that gets to be upwards of a month, I could see them pulling some pulling that red shirt off anything, and I hope that I would be pretty surprised. I hope they don't have to do that, because you know, he's a guy that I respect. Clemens's decision to come back and read so much. Self said it was his decision. He wants to play here, wants to get better, still

has two years of eligibility. I would love to see him gets a red shirt, go up against Dickinson and practice every day and come back next year as potentially a really impactful piece. Last question here actually a series of little mini questions from at Elliott rus in h one. This depth isn't going to be enough, right? Does Bill go out and actually get somebody at Christmas slash mid season? If they do that, things have gone bad. I don't know who. I don't know. I think that they know. I

think Clemens with the red shirt pull is your first call there. If they last time they did that, it cost them a Final four banner in the end. So yeah, and they took the damn thing down to ridiculous. Yeah, it's gonna go back up again one day. They didn't burn it. It's in a closet somewhere. It'll go back up when they tell the NCAA to screw off forever. Are we going to lose? Are we going to see Timberlake or Jackson start? Because now we've seen both, says I

love the content. Boys keep up the good work. Thank you, Elliott, one of our most loyal listeners. We all appreciate your input, your questions. You're listening and follow means a lot. I think Jackson's gonna start. I think both of them are gonna get their turn. But I don't want that to be the case, because if Jackson starts Game one and Timberlake never starts, it's because Jackson never relinquishes that spot. I think that that

is the best thing for this team. I think Jackson is being slept on a little bit. Ah, that might be the case. I think Timberlake will start the first couple games and we'll see about Jackson after that. But I think Bill is gonna honestly have not much choice but to roll with his shooter to start. And I don't think Jackson shown much as a great three point shooter. Yeah, Nick, Timberlake's one for nine or whatever has me saying more and more and more. I get it. He's he's proven he

can make buckets at the college level. But I mean, these two are probably your best two three point shooters. Unless you think mcculler's gonna go off. I think they got a very good chance to go off. So that's also kind of where I'm sitting in. If that's the logic, then you might really consider starting Jackson to be fair. Rank them one, two, three, and season percentage from three Jackson, Timberlake, mccullor. I think

it's no brainer, Jackson third. I think percentage Timberlake is probably first, but I think he will end up with less attempts than mccullor, so percentage wise, it will be Timberlake, McCuller, Jackson. You said McCuller is under thirty five, and you think Jackson's easily third. How bad do you think Jackson's gonna be as a shooter. I don't think he's gonna be a very good three point shooter. I think al Margo Jackson has a higher three

point percentage this year than Kevin McCuller. I think that is an absurd thing to say. I think Jackson will finish with like at least at least two or three percentage points lower than mccullor, which maybe isn't by a lot a lot, but I think he is at least two or three points lower. And you're basing this off of two exhibition games. I mean, I don't have much to base it off. If not, Like I watched the guy in high school, but I don't think he's gonna be an incredible three point

shooter this year. Now, all right, we'll see I hope if el Marco Jackson and Kevin McCuller are both good three point shooters. Yeah, if not. If you ever have ascarcbs twitter hashtag ASCARCB, reply to the tweet, I gotta change it now. If you ever have askcarcbs, use the x hashtag ASCARCV. That's awful gross. All right, we now get to preview and actual basketball game one that will count in the standings. Bill self will be on the sideline for the first time since Kansas lost in Austin in

the regular season finale last year. Bill self also did not start game one last year on the sideline for Kansas, so welcome back to the sidelines, coach. He will begin with North Carolina Central at number one Kansas. Game will tip off on Monday, November sixth at seven o'clock PM. We once again start on a Monday, not a Tuesday because of elections. Can we

have a better reason to change the start date please? Anything would be better than that, But we are one week away from basketball season officially getting underway the NC Central Eagles. They went eighteen and twelve last season. They finished second in the Powerhouse miakuh. They were top ten team in overall defense, and their slow paced but efficient offense earned them a top two finish in the league. Each of this team's top four scorers from a season ago either transferred

or graduated. We're not even gonna act like we know who is on this team or who is supposed to play. They these two teams have never played before in their history. Uh so, got a lot of game on previews. Yeah, a lot of previews game on previews against me X squads, no kidding. Whenever they played like Kentucky in the opener. At least I could try to piece something together. There no lot of history between the teams and all that kind of stuff, But yep, I'm looking at last year

statistics. Last year they were led by a guy named Justin Wright who's now playing for loyal La Marrimount to go get bitch lap by Gonzaga twise, and none of the other guys are still there. So yeah, who knows? Honestly, who knows what this team's gonna look like? But Kansas underwhelmed in their two exhibition games. They would not have covered either of the spreads had

their ben spreads there. You think that they're probably gonna open somewhere around a twenty four to twenty five point favorite against NC Central, a team that was pretty solid for a low level mid major last year. What do we think happens in the open or like we have any idea how this is gonna go down? Uh? Kansas wins eighty to fifty three. Dickenson, big but inefficient night. I think North Carolina Central is going to lose to Kansas.

Yeah you thought I was gonna it? Sounds like I'd sound like most KU fans. Yeah. North Carolina Central is gonna beat Kansas. They have no scoring that. Those Eagles are so good offensively, I'm scared for KU. No, especially with our sucky depth and our loudly shooting. The Eagles are gonna absolutely make it rain. Oh yeah, I can see it now. Kansas, I think they have a strong offensive performance against the MIAC squad.

Give me KU ninety North Carolina Central sixty seven behind fifteen points for Almarco Jackson. Give me Kansas beating North Carolina Central ninety to fifty eight. Just a statement for the preseason number one team. I gotta think practice hasn't been very fun this week. Self is always angry after his exhibition recaps, but he was really after the team following the way they played against against Fort Hayes State. I think you see Kansas absolutely light up the Eagles, and I think

you're gonna see what Landon said. Dickinson will put up numbers. But this is the most important piece for me watching is el Marco Jackson. I need to see him shake those yips. I need to see him play quality minutes, not be the worst player on the team from a plus minus perspective, and give Kansas quality twenty plus minutes. He is an important piece. I'd like to see Johnny Furfey play some minutes too. Those are gonna be the

two pieces I'm watching the most. I don't care what Dwan Harris, Hunter, Dickinson, and Kevin mccullor do against n C Central, it doesn't matter. They're gonna be They're gonna put up points and be just fine. Jackson, Furfey, Timberlake. Those are the three guys we're watching the most in this game. Need at least two of them to be on most nights Kansas wins. All right. Because we no longer start with the Champions Classic,

you should get a pretty easy week of pick him to start here. I gave you two absolute dunks, and the other two are a little tougher other games. James Madison at number four, Michigan State. Pick this because I picked this because the number four team will be going against our nation's fourth president, and because James Madison has been dead for two hundred and fifty years.

I don't think he stands much of a chance against Tom Izzo's Spartans. Well, I mean it's been about that long since Tom isn't won a title, So ouch, Nick, how close is this game? Like we have any other? Yeah? Yeah, I have no idea. Probably twenty five points, boy. And then this next one's in there because you pointed this Outland. And who in the blue hell is Saint Mary's playing? As is a conference game? Why are they playing a conference game this early in the season.

Santa Claus State is cal State Stanislaus at number joining three Saint Mary's gales By seriously closer to one hundred than zero? Is this a real school? It's a real school man. It's oh my gosh. Yeah, the average page, the a, the tuition six thousand dollars, the graduation rates fifty eight percent, six grand in what nineteen ninety six? How how updated are

these numbers? Yes, in California, I guess it says the average in state costs is before eight is before eight is twenty three thousand, after eight six thousand. Apparently there's three students there and they have enough to give everyone their scholarship. So yeah, I was gonna say that they need basketball players on the start of the local in and out and get the two best kitchen workers to play point guard. Yeah, I mean that's what they'd fit right

in in the Gonzagas Conference, that's for sure. Where is cal State Stanislaus, Turlock, California. There's no way that school is less than forty grand a year at I don't California. It's called Turlock. Turlock is in a mote part of California, between San jose and uh Yosemite National Park. Wow. So it's no, it's in the middle. It's smack dab in the middle of the state, and nowhere is where they're going to be close to the final score of this game because Saint Mary's will win by a lot.

Oh Mary, somebody say it, Oh Mary, there you go. That's what everybody's gonna be saying watching this game. Tough for one here number twenty one USC VERSUS can't state Monday night in Las Vegas case State will not have Nakon Tomlin, who's been suspended indefinitely. A tough early test for the Trojans. According to drum Tang, treated like a season in an injury. It's almost like, I wonder if that ky you had a coach that had a

backbone about and our first HM of the season. So Nick tells me before we start the things I can and can't play, because he's like, guys, all right, I got friends and professors and job employers who listen to this. We have to behave at k you mind you. And then he's like, you know, I wish Kay you had a coach with a backbone. Buddy. Those two things, I'm not gonna tell you which one is more dangerous. I was that dangerous? How is that dangerous? We all

criticize self for the Arterio Marris situation. You're met with, You're being met with pitchforks. If if, if my followers hear you say at okay, anyone who thinks that was handled well, please come up to me and are your complaints to my butt. I am not necessarily saying that you're wrong about the way that they handled Artario Morris, but it just makes me laugh. I think USC beats case State. I think k State regresses this year. I agree, but give me the fighting tanks, Ronnie James. Andy Enfield

has a good looking wife. I will say that's enough for a State's players will be very distracted looking at her in the crowd, and they will miss more baskets than they make. And then Auburn I like, I like when you search Andy Enfield, the first thing that shows up is not his name, but it's his wife when you type. Because when they went on that crazy run at at at Florida Gulf Coast, all everybody talked about was it was his good looking wife in the first row. That's his claim to fame.

I guess they are not wrong. Must must suck to be Andy in Field, Am I right? Auburn versus Number twenty one Baylor game opening night at the Sioux Falls Pentagon. Scott Drews. Bears are always pretty good. We'll roll with them. Yeah, give me, give me the fight and Drews yep. As seeing what's been makes you realize we're we're not only back,

but it is time to sign off. All right, next show what we We'll do it in the middle of next week, right middle of next week, whenever we're whenever we have a game to recap, they play Manhattan. I think John to get that Jasper's preview in gotta tell you how they're gonna beat them by twenty Yeah, because we have to come back here whenever El Marco Jackson goes over sixty five from the three point line and talk about how if he goes Yeah, that's gonna be one of the more absurd things

that's happened at KU. Yeah. Well, and we've seen a lot of them too. At least the coach will be on a sideline. I am Ryan Landra. This is in said pain. Oh I didn't come up with a name. I am Toby Maguire. I'm Anthony Andy Enfield's son. That'd be weird for the way you feel about your mom. No kidding, Yes, Welcome back inside the Paint and goodbye title chances because this team sucks, right Twitter, Please, Johnny Furfy be good so I can relive my Spema

Kai Luke fandom. Johnny be good, Johnny be hopefully good. Bye Bye