186 - Does Dick Size Actually Matter? w/ Lexy Panterra & Alicia Waldner

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Hi, everyone. My name is Alicia Waldner, and I was just on Inside OnlyFans. And on today's episode, we talked about how my OnlyFans money funded my mental health app, as well as what it's like being a woman in business. What up, guys? It's Lexi Pantera. I was just on Inside. only fans again we talked a lot about some crazy stuff honestly and i think you guys need to know the inside scoop of behind the scenes of us so just tap in and you guys might get some information we'll see you there

Welcome to today's episode of Inside Only Fans. I am one of your hosts, Kayla. And I am CJ Sparks. Did you take the arms off or something? Yeah, so this dress already annoyed the shit out of me. And my tits are going to fall out at any given moment. I have to say this round of podcasts is very tit-tastic. Yeah, it really is. Titty-tastic. For you especially.

That Skims dress, chef's kiss. I really liked that. I really liked it, too. I was like, damn, I really liked that dress. I think it would have looked iconic on you. Like, I think, honestly, like, that dress would...

We could have all four or more. We could have all. And it would have been like our own. It would have looked incredible on all of us. I totally agree. Yeah. It was so stretchy and just like juicy and delicious. Shout out Courtney. There's a lot of juicy going on. There is a lot of juice. A lot of juicy.

The tits are titulating. Your tits are titulating. This one is like, it's like kind of getting a little sideways. I mean, it's looking good from this side way. I feel like I'm sunburned. What? Do I look sunburned? You look incredible, no.

You look so wonderfully tan. I go outside 30 minutes every day. You are pale. I'm so pale, but I also am like... i feel like this is the paleness before the brownness the pale before the brown pale before the brown yeah and so i'm kind of trying to embrace it i always get that like this level of scary pale and then i always am like concerned like will i never be able to be tan again i always get that thought like and then you do and then i do every year this happens to me every year and i'm like

And I try to embrace my paleness like I would my tanness. Well, you're about to, you're going to be in the sun a lot. I feel like May and June in L.A. is... So gray every morning, which sucks. It's been so gray these last two mornings. Yeah, I'm like, is it going to rain? It was nicer. But then like right around 2 p.m. the sun comes out and you're like, okay, I'm hot. And I'm still cold.

yesterday it was cold yesterday was breezy yeah it's warmer in chicago upsetting like the the price that you pay to live here feels more upsetting when you're cool yeah but it's summertime you're like this is the weather i'm paying for i agree That's one thing. I miss food and weather. That's it. That's pretty much I miss you. But like you do. As far as Los Angeles goes, I don't not miss a match. Well, you know, I kind of feel like at this point.

I'll be in Vegas so I can talk about it. I will be I will be all settled in somewhat to living in Vegas. And I have to say, I believe like in. June, I might be able to lay out a little bit, but from what I understand, July, August is death. Everyone just lives in their air conditioning. I'm going to try to soak up my time in the sun in June and then just write it out.

out here and there July and August. But yeah, I'm excited to make my Vegas debut, if you will. I'm excited to visit. Yeah. When you're officially in. I love it. Yeah, this is a new era for Inside Only fans, and I'm looking forward to it. So when we... Come back to film, we'll just all have to have a party at the pod daddy's house. Pretty much, yeah. I feel like you both mind. It's well equipped. Yeah, I feel like it'll be good.

Yeah, well. New times. Yeah, exactly. And perhaps, you know, if he's lucky, we might invite our two next guests on over. We're already off to a great start on the energy. It's very chaotic. The energy. I love when they come in and just there's chaotic energy. The energy. I feel like we're going to be hurting squirrels.

I love it. They both came in like so sexy and so cute. They look so good. There's high energy here. There's high energy here. It's going to be fun. Oh, it's high energy. I'm excited. We need that. I love some high energy for us.

I already saw half of one nipple. I didn't tell her yet, but. Whoa, shit. I was like, we're off to a good start. I feel like my nipples might pop out as well. We're going to need to be. Okay. Your nipples are old news. Her nipples are fresh, fresh meat for me. Fresh meat, fresh nip. I love it. Mine's going to pop out too. Okay, we'll have a pop out party.

Let's get this pop-out party started. Okay. Okay. One of our guests today, she is new to Inside OnlyFans. It is Alicia Waldner. She is an OnlyFans model turned tech founder. And we have a returning guest, Lexi Pantera. She is a musical goddess and a RV traveling queen. Let's get them out here. Welcome to the show again. Thank you. First timer. I was the. Girl with the boob out. If you guys didn't. It was her area. I saw she signed the release form. I said.

That's a nice little slip. Yeah. Little nip slips, you know? Never hurt nobody. Never did. It really never did. Yeah. I know. Okay, I love that we started off with a little... I can't relate at all. I relate to other things. There's a show that was that a nipple just creeps out. It would be this one. But don't worry. We're all friends here.

we won't tell you but we'll make sure it's lit well lighting is important a nice zoom in yeah exactly so both of you girls have really unique backgrounds and bathrooms i don't know why i'm gonna say bathroom but we do um but you guys both do only fans however uh you lexi do you have a

um successful music career you're going around and you just did a show i think a couple nights ago black rabbit rose which is here in la yeah baby i love i love that it's a really cool spot it's so a lot of people so beautiful right yeah and then you alicia Do you founded a tech company? Yeah. OK. A community mental wellness app. OK. So basically, if you've heard of like things like Calm or Headspace before, they're big meditation apps. And essentially what I found is it's a very like.

solo experience and really we're an epidemic of loneliness so many people feel that they're the only one going through their their hardships when they're not so the idea was to connect people going through similar life challenges through a process called social journaling that we created. So instead of journaling alone at home, you're journaling alone with the world. Okay. I've been on it. I love it. It's nice stuff. Alicia's one of my besties, so we support each other heavy.

Yes, we do. I love that. That's really beautiful. The app's nice. It's easy to do. What is different about the app versus like an Instagram or a Calm or an OnlyFans or... Yeah, because it's... What's it called again? It's called Exist. It's emotional.

Yes. So what we just had a company or fast company wrote an article about us, which was a surprise, but it was cool what they said. They claimed us as TikTok for your feelings. Oh, wow. That's a really great. Yeah, it is. I was like, I need to start saying. that i love that that's such a great one so it's a basically a social media app where

you can talk about the hard things and the vulnerable things. And it isn't just video focused. It's text written journals, but they're done in like a TikTok feed. So you read journals just in a TikTok feed. And yeah, so I need to start saying that.

So can you search by like... grief or whatever and then that's going to pull up ones that relate to what you're looking for yep if you type anxiety divorce and it's going to show you all the people that are writing about divorce and then you could see what other people are going through yeah so it's really cool and then what is

The goal is to be the number one social platform for your mental wellness, mental health, for just a venting vulnerability space, the biggest in the world. I think that's cool because. The short form TikTok style, real style is, in my opinion, and statistically bad for mental health. But now you're using that same algorithm and flipping it to be something that can actually be good for you to consume in that form.

That's so cool. Yeah. No, I was on this show called like the Tech Roast Show and they like roast tech founders. And it was perfectly lined up for success for me to admit that I'm an OnlyFans person in front of all these people, like 900 people. The crowd went crazy. So good. One of the things they said was exactly what you said. They're like, the algorithm, the TikTok style is meant to or causes mental health issues and you're fixing it with mental health. And I'm like, well, you're.

taking their attention from something that's negative to something that's literally positive and helping them relate to what they're going through. Sixty percent of people are more likely to open up about what they're going through if they know somebody else is going through something similar. That's what I love about the I'm in a 12 step. I do alcohol. anonymous and I whenever I'm in those rooms it's really interesting because you will hear somebody else share about something that

You're like, oh, my God, I didn't I didn't think I'd ever say that out loud, let alone in like a room full of people, let alone in like a room full of strangers. You don't really know the level of trust between each person. But because you're all there.

in the presumed safe space and all going through the same thing or something similar you'll say it out in that room and then when you see the other people nodding kind of like you're doing right now you're like okay i'm in a good spot you see other people agreeing you're going okay they they have been through

this too and you're more likely to speak out about something and then when you say it out loud it kind of lifts the shame and the stigma which is also kind of what we strive to do here on inside only fans if you're talking about it then you're less likely

to kind of carry it inside and then when you when in AA we say you're only as sick as your secrets and then when you keep things inside it really does eat at you it kills you it's your gut that's probably I like like you CJ told me something that

about being terminally unique yeah yeah and i thought that was so cool like you're not terminally unique because i i somebody close to me um some months ago committed suicide and I remember going through it, and I had all these feelings, and it was a crazy time.

I remember she said to me on the phone, like, I remember saying, I feel like nobody will ever understand me or how can I be lovable with all the things that have happened to me in my life and my current situation. And she said, like, you're not terminally unique. There are people who are going through things and you wouldn't know.

unless you found them yeah that's a line i got from me yeah i remember and i i've told that to other people too because it's so it's so cool but it can be so isolating and i don't think instagram is really the place or tiktok to see somebody's breakdown or and I think it's so performative a lot of the times and if you have an app that's just for that it

kind of feels like it would remove that performative nature of like i set my camera up over here and then i came and sat down and then i cried and then i went and checked if i looked right it's like it takes away the feeling that people have that they have to do that and it's like I mean, I imagine it just sounds like.

Really cool. It's like a curated space for it. Yeah. Yeah. No, I mean you guys nailed it on the head and like You know a lot of people will go on social media and cry and then go viral and it's like, you know It's it's it's it's cool and it's good that people are opening up on social media

I love that. But I definitely think having that safe space to just say it without worrying about virality or likes or this, just literally getting support is so key. But it's basically another way I say this is it's group therapy without the therapist.

I literally say that. That's why group therapy works, too, because you're all like, this sucks. And then everyone's like, yeah, you're right. That does suck. And this thing. And then you're like, yeah, you're right. You're so right. And they support you. Like when you say that crazy outlandish secret that you're so terrified to say.

And then somebody else is like, oh, my God, I did the same fucking thing. You're like, oh, wow. Oh, my God. I'm not that bad of a person or, you know, it just it removes the guilt. It removes the shame, like you said. And, you know, just recently we. save somebody's life. He was suicidal and was in his pool at 3 a.m. And one of the reasons why he didn't commit was because in that moment he remembered other people on the app that.

We're going through the similar situation that he is going through. And he realized if they can get through it, I can. And it was one of the reasons why he didn't commit. So I try not to cry when I say it. But yeah, so it's you can't make that shit up.

I think that's really small. I like love this topic. And I worked as a clinical coordinator for years. I went to school for psych. So that was like something I really love. So I'm really like geeking out on this. So cool. But there's an epidemic now of. teenagers being you know like conned into sending nudes things like that a lot of suicide happening from that and social media and

I feel like it's bad for kids. I don't know how I would survive out there. I was already getting bullied. I'm like... today no it's all online like imagine being young and having like you are they already are glued to their phones and tiktok and then like having this other app

where like you can have that same experience the user experience is there that they know it doesn't feel like you're an old person going how like what 15 year old wants to go to therapy like your mom said you have to go to therapy like you don't even care yeah yeah and then you think something's wrong with you you know and then it finds people find out in school you're going to therapy and then it's like you're this like yeah you know shame that's so cool

Similar to I think music has actually been doing something like that something similar To that for many many years for a long time. Yeah, that's why people would turn to music music is definitely a therapy that's for sure yeah i've seen in comments where people are like on youtube usually it is like somebody is watching a music video and they're saying this song

I would listen to this song over and over when I was feeling sad or, you know, I was feeling alone and music oftentimes. I actually had an inspiring moment, just like your little moment. Really? Yeah, and with this, not little, it was very big, with your guy that. I just did my show and a girl came and she DMed me and she's like, oh my God, your show is so inspiring. I went home and wrote my own song about my ex whatever. And I'm like... That's so cute and cool. It's therapy. Well, I told you.

i said this and i meant it authentically so like i first met lexi and i started listening to her music and there i was going through like a bad toxic relationship like so bad i was spiraling for like two years it'd be like that so yeah you started playing my music depend on you

was my number one song as one of her songs depend on you number one song I forgot to listen to it over 2,000 times I sent you it because Spotify shows you I was like Lexi I'm not making this shit up she was my number one you were my number one artist and you were my number one song for the year and it

helped me so much throughout this time and every time i hear it comes on i'm like oh it brings me back to that moment yeah like your sad moment and then like how you became victorious through it yeah that's so music does that yeah yeah it's great that we have these outlets for us that you found yours to be this is cool yeah it was no different than mine and it's you you know it was you singing your song and uh forget the other one uh

why can't i think of it there was in two songs that were my top it was like the other one that was like you recorded and you were in like a wedding it was kind of like god complex oh my god that sounds like a that song hits oh at my show i slowed it down it's That song is so crazy. What's the song God Complex about? Dating somebody who just thinks they're God. Literally. Yeah, like a guy that has like God Complex. He majorly had God Complex. Like it was just...

I'm so selfish. In the industry, it's very hard. It's ridiculous. Yeah. Well, yeah, I think in the industry and I think also, you know, in L.A. as well, you know, L.A. definitely attracts people that are kind of trying to make it big. trying to make it to the top so that in turn would you know typically these people are

Perhaps more of the selfish nature. They have to be as an artist. We're all really, really selfish. Yeah. So I understand that. But that's why I was like, oh, I don't want to date an artist again. He was an artist that I wrote that about. Wow. That is hard. Okay. Obviously, you guys both are going to have an experience. And can you speak a little bit to people are going to put you in a box of being an OnlyFans person, girl, woman. And how do you navigate getting out of that?

kind of proving yourself because... You don't want to say you have to prove yourself, but you kind of do have to prove yourself. It's crazy. It puts us in terrible places. It's awful. And it puts us in great places, right? Yeah. Like we're here right now. It's amazing. Terrible rooms and really great rooms. Yeah. navigate it. Yeah. It's a constant fight. You know, for so long, I lived with every day after I got off an investor call or a potential partnership meeting, you know.

Am I going to ruin this great call because they're going to find out and then it's all over? And unfortunately, that has happened. The dreaded Google search, like you talk to someone, meet someone and you're like, well. That was awesome. They're going to Google me. Yeah. And they're going to find something. And it's been this big thing. Do we disclose it in the first meeting? Do I just tell them and get this over with? Do I explain them? And it's been such a mental fuck. I can't even explain.

are is like they love what we're doing they love our products they think it's so awesome our numbers everything speaks to its for itself and then this one thing it's like delete buy gone nothing like it's like nothing everything you've ever done is no longer credible and like before only fans i had several companies i started my first company when i was 20 and the reason why i opened up only fans was to prove a point it's because

If I posted a bikini photo online when I had my other companies, I'd get shit for it. And I'm like, why does me posting a bikini photo affect the work that my company does for you or, you know, your your viewpoint on me? So it was kind of like my book, you I'm going to do both and show you. I never thought that I'd make money. It was for me. It was just a stamp.

to be like, yeah, bitches can do both. And yeah, it's been a long ride. A lot of time, a lot of money, a lot of tears, a lot of everything. Even just two weeks ago, somebody really big here in Hollywood has been like helping me with my app. And then. She found out and I still don't know what's going to happen, but I'm basically like, as of right now, I'm kicked out of this really high profile group.

It's hard, and I think that it's important. And Alicia's the coolest person, so it's their fault. Well, you're brilliant and all this. It's their problem. Like, you can be wonderful, but the reality is, and when girls ask, like, So many girls want to get into it. And I always would want to tell people, like, you really have to think about it because it's not just you can make a ton of money. But the reality is whether you like it or not.

It doesn't fit into all of these boxes and there are going to be big hurdles if you want to do things after. And it's not just, well, if they don't like me, then screw them because. The reality is it's really hard. You want to be in these circles because there are brilliant people who can help you and help you grow.

They're not there yet. For some reason, they think we are not brilliant. Yeah. Which is kind of just, they just don't understand or know. Yeah, they don't. They're not there yet. About our business or us or anybody even close to it. Mm-hmm.

Yeah, they're so far in their own world and we're in our own world, too. You know, we're in a fucking crazy world, too. So it's like, how do you bring those two worlds together? I don't know. And so every day I'm just fighting. I'm going to keep proving people wrong. sets that I recently just shifted to and I'm just owning is

I'm going to do it with or without them. And, you know, to me, I think any really successful person, the driving factor behind them isn't that they're the smartest person in the room or they had all the connections in the world. It's insane determination. you'll be able to get anything done. So I got to a place where

I'm going to fucking do this thing. I've gotten it this far on my own and everyone's like, what the fuck? I don't even know how you've gotten this far. So we're just going to keep pushing. At this point, I don't give a fuck anymore. And that's why I'm here. And when you do make it big and your app's crazy top.

fucking whatever you're gonna be like this is what i went through and all the big dogs always have that story to go to you know we all have our little stories and and i want to prove it for all women especially in this industry it's like because we are so shitted on immediately everyone all of us go through it and i just want to prove that no none of these

I can't speak for everyone, but the majority of these women on OnlyFans are actually extremely intelligent. And they're doing really good things with their money, whether they're building their real estate portfolio. They're doing something. You've done it to leverage your career. A lot of stuff, man. A lot. And it's like, you know, so I just want to be that figure for for the industry if I can. And I'm never going to stop until I do it.

Tech industry, music industry, we're all having problems in areas. I definitely agree. And I think probably the number one most relatable. person in this situation or most notable person in this situation is kim kardashian love him or hate him but she knows she had the sex tape come out we don't you know we don't need to discuss why they're famous that's whatever but like She had the sex kid come out and then now she's...

you know, doing the lawyer thing and is fighting for change and reform amongst all these different laws and all these different bills. And people still don't take her serious. And it's kind of crazy because the thing about it is, and even whether you.

take her serious or not it's that she's put in this one box that she's had the sex on the tape and now everyone has sex yeah but she's never allowed to move forward and love her hate the Kardashians you know they're in all of our homes they're in most of our mouths people talking saying that I love them or I hate them this woman has done a lot more than just a woman who fucked Ray J on the tape but she is so put in a

a box from that it is it's very intriguing she's been a mother she's been a wife she's now doing the lawyer thing she's been on countless magazines i mean bought or paid for a family name not family name she's done a lot And people are determined to say, well, she's only famous because she fucked Ray J. And it's like, well, how can they don't get to know us as people?

you know and so like me and her have so much in common when it comes to this stuff because we talk about it a lot but it's like you don't know me you don't know what i even post on my OnlyFans, you don't know anything about who I am, what I stand for, all these things. So you cannot just judge me like that, number one. You just say you're on OnlyFans. You don't even know me at all. You show your titties to the world. How can you have an app? How can you be a singer?

it's like oh but like what do you why don't you come find out why don't you actually get to know me and that's relationships are important to have in the in this business you know and i've learned that you have to have good relationships with people and really get to know people even more

even if we're uncomfortable to do it, you know? Yeah. How do you know if someone is a good... person to potentially try to build and forge a relationship with because that's yeah like both of us are you talking about in like professional what are some green flags you know maybe if i'm like a girl and i'm

doing the OnlyFans and I'm going, hey, I'm making pretty good money. I want to maybe invest in, you know, this side hustle that I have always dreamed of doing. What's a green flag that you might look for? I don't know. I think passion just has to lead you to that, first of all.

Yeah, I mean, you have to have that internal fire and passion. But I mean, as far as finding good people, people that just truly accept you, you know what I mean? Yeah, it should flow easy. That's a good point. Like you should never really have to convince someone. That's actually a good point. relational romantic relation never never convince a good business partner yeah because if the person wants to yeah okay and you should be good good at selling it too you know but it should be

They should have wanted to be a part of it. And if they don't want to see it, then you're not the right person for me. And like even recently, there's a guy here locally and I won't say his name, but I'll call him out. Yeah. But he has this mental health podcast and he works.

with a lot of, you know, some athletes, this, that on his podcast. And we were in touch last fall, talked about working together. He loved our app, et cetera. And I followed up with him top of this year. And he's like, hey, like, you know, I can't, I can't work. with you because you're related to the adult industry, blah, blah, blah, blah. Mind you.

A few weeks later, he posts on social media that he accepts all people. Of course. It's like, hey, adult industry people have problems too. We all have problems. I'm like, but to your point, why don't you ask me what I'm doing on there? You just assume that I'm doing the most and I don't judge anybody that's doing.

the most i wish i could because i could just fund my whole company judging judging yeah but they don't even get asked they don't even care and um you know then he says he accepts all people and doesn't matter if you're white black this that whatever and i'm like this one industry you can't be doing that's the irony of it is the people who claim to be the most this but

that just sex wear only fans is you hear only fans and it's people are scared of it even if that person maybe does personally not care i think when you put someone's money or business in on the line they're scared of the association even in romance

romantic relationships. Like I had a hard time in the beginning with my current boyfriend. He's so wonderful now and it's great, but he had all of the same things he assumed right out of the gate. He's like, you're dildoing yourself on camera. I'm like pretty mild. I don't even show topless, you know, but he had all these assumptions. He thinks that I'm fucking everyone. He thought that I came from L.A. So I drink all the time. I party all the time. And it's nothing not even close to the truth.

but all of these things. Isn't that crazy? Yeah. It's so weird. He's like, well, what are my friends going to think? Like, are we all one person? Like, we all just do the same thing? To some people, it is. Like, first of all, we're different. Everyone's different. Yeah. It's fucked up the way they think. These men, too.

biggest thing i think with the platform is we're all just judged as doing the doing the most and i and again i like to clearly state it's fine i don't judge those people that are doing that at all but yeah but people just it's an automatic thing well it's like any career you just if someone says

I'm a businessman. Does that mean you could be doing... a million things underneath that you could like any it's like I am on OnlyFans there are a million different things you could be doing on that but for some reason it's all homogenized into you're doing hardcore porn but also it comes from the women Is it more women or men on your side? It's kind of, I would say...

40 60 and it's like for me in the industry i haven't been i was just telling her i didn't get on a radio because their team although the the main person was a guy he liked my music i didn't go to them directly i had my manager go to them too like they were talking i wasn't really involved at all and they're like he comes back to me he's like

He brought it to his team, and the radio team have females back there, and they're like, we don't want to work with girls that have OnlyFans, like artists that have OnlyFans. But yeah, Cardi B. I was going to say, Cardi B, Magdalene, Ice Spice, all of these people, like...

Like they're talking about the most explicit stuff. Yeah. And I'm like, if Cardi B came knocking at your door, it'd happen. Yeah. Yeah. But why can't, why can't, what's wrong with that? Just because maybe they can't get on it. They're afraid to get on it. Maybe they're.

too insecure to get on all these reasons in their head they don't even know what i'm doing on there what's going on they don't know that i put the first music video on only fans that i've done so many just hardcore um setting an example for things that they don't they don't see any of that. You know, they just, she's on OnlyFans. Yeah. That's it. Like, oh, okay. That's all I am. Yeah. She's on OnlyFans. Yeah. To be chopped up to that little bit. It is. It's so small-minded.

It's ridiculous, actually. It's hard because what other things are there that you are narrowed down to just that? Like what other careers are there where you're narrowed down literally just to that? I mean, it's a big deal, but you're just a lawyer. The other one I thought of as you were talking is crypto because it's had such...

a negative thing but yet still people are investing in crypto believe in crypto you know it's usually the people who don't understand it who are the most i don't understand it and i never did it but i don't hate on it i just don't i don't understand it obviously i see there's something there because the the brilliant people i know are in on it but it's i feel like it's the people who are scared to get into it they're jealous of it and then

It's easier to just... It's about understanding. Yeah. Let's all more understand. If we don't understand, get the fuck away. Yeah. Or if you don't want to, yeah. You guys are both involved in crypto? crypto no i see lexi you said you were going to crypto oh oh i'm going to an nft i might be going to an nft week in in new york for something okay we're still doing the nfts though

Yeah, I didn't know about that. I don't know. It's not necessarily my thing, but I'm kind of checking it out for something. I don't know, though. I'm going to let you know what's going on over there. I've been investing. It's like $100 a week in crypto since 2019. So into Bitcoin, into Ethereum. I put like $2,000. I don't know what the fuck I'm doing. I just kind of, eh. And I put it in, I think, XRP or something. I don't know.

Oh, I have XRP. You can't give advice, but it's supposed to go up in like, I forget how long XRP. Yeah. top three cryptos right now. See, I'm not like a total guru, so I don't know, but I know Bitcoin and Ethereum are like the two that you're supposed to. And then XRP is supposed to. Boom.

What do you think about the OnlyFans models that also do like the crypto stuff situations? Well, not the scams. I mean, the dump load, dump and pump and dumps are crazy. So that needs to just... not happen that's crazy yep that just gives crypto it's like anything that gives something a bad name it's like don't fucking ruin it for everyone but that's but i still feel like crypto still normalized in a lot of ways where right and i think it's

You know, I'm going to be a little sexist, but I think it's because it's male dominated, right? They can get through all the stigma. But I think why OnlyFans is the worst thing in the world and everybody wants it banned is because it's the first industry that is ruled by women.

That women are making the most money. Even over the beauty industry, men, I believe, are dominating in that. Yeah, the men are really like the Jeffree Stars and the Pat. Patrick Taz and the Patrick Star and the stars and the moon. And there's one other one. Nikki Beauty, Nikki Tutorials or wherever. james charles like yeah the it's so yeah it's kind of interesting how things have definitely flip-flopped well it's definitely the it's just the paywall though because porn has had

It's like porn has been around and there's people who have hated porn and there's anti-porn movement, whatever. But when you make up when it's women making the money and there's a paywall, you don't care necessarily that Pornhub has been free for all this time where you can see the craziest stuff or any of these other fetish sites. You can go on them for decades now, but now there's a paywall where...

You and women are the ones benefiting from it. And I'm totally not like a hardcore feminist. I love men. But the reality is when there's a paywall and women are making money off of something that you wanted for free and got for free for so long. Then everyone's like, well, oh, fuck.

now it's now there's a paywall like how many people are sending you're sending like pictures of bad now it's bad yeah when you're 16 17 you're sending like on your razor flip phone a picture of your boobs no there's no scandal there but now if If that same picture, you were like, give me 10 bucks and I'll send you a picture of my boobs. I don't know the exact psychology of it, but something about that paywall is like the thing. Yeah.

And I can't like it's it's the money made in it, because if women didn't make that money, people wouldn't care. Only that wouldn't be a really. It's only making that much money. One thousand percent. And women and men alike, to your point. Don't like it. The guys want to be on it so bad. We've talked to so many people. I'm sure they want to be on it. They're like, if I if I could show my cock and make that money. And they are. My brother said that my boyfriend, he's like when they learn.

much money you make and it's someone who loves you at that point they're like what they're like i would do that i wish i could do that i'll get hard and take a picture fuck i'm like of course you would and so would almost everybody i know yeah if you're gonna make like let's say you have someone on there like you're making fifty thousand a hundred thousand dollars a month I know very few people who would turn that down. You would have to be, I don't even know who you have to be. Insane.

To turn that down, like the lifestyle. Nowadays, for sure, okay? It's people always think because they don't want to do it. They don't believe in it. They're too scared. Those are all fine. But they think they wouldn't. They're above that. And I'm like, well, let me give you $100,000 right now.

I mean, let's see. One of the things I say when someone says and I just newly started hearing that people are saying OnlyFans is the modern day prostitution. One of the things I say, I'm like, well, so would if you agree and believe that OnlyFans is modern day prostitution. then would you also agree that, or I would ask, have you ever bought a Playboy magazine before? And then they're kind of like...

And I'm like, OK, so then you would agree that you involved into prostitution by looking at a Playboy magazine and paying for it. There is a transaction and they don't know what to say. Have you seen a Playboy magazine? Have you seen play? It's no different than Playboy. except

Now the models are making more money than they did with Playboy because they can do that. Yeah, because it's going straight to them. It's the same thing. That's such a good one. Yeah, they don't know what to say. I'm going to use that. world should see that because it's so true.

You know, I can't speak for full on sex, but for most of the content, it sounds like the type of content we do. It's no different than a Playboy magazine. So should we go now, everybody that's ever purchased Playboy, should we go get the list of those people and then put them in jail for committing? consuming prostitution yeah like wow I think it's just strange like we're getting on a crazy topic but even just like the idea of prostitution being illegal like

That's your body. That's the only thing that you truly yourself own. Like you can go work for somebody else slaving away in whether it's a coal mine or a Walmart or a corporate job that you hate. For hours and hours and hours, you can do physical manual labor that's destroying your body for your whole life and work till you're 70. But like your own, it's illegal to make money off of your own literal body. The only thing that is.

Truly only yours and it is illegal. I'm not a prostitute by any means, but I just think that that's so insane that why Is that that's the ultimate form of control is you're telling someone you cannot accept money for your literal body. But at the same time, like. You can be giving it up for free for far too long. Let me tell you. My mother, my aunt, me. We should have been in the bank, honey. We were charging. How much money do you think? Two fucking hours.

That would be worth a lot. Fortunately and unfortunately. Oh, shit. Yeah, I do. You know, I do think that that is really what. what the issue is is because as a woman especially when you start putting a price on your body

They're the ones that put a price on our body, honey. It ain't us. It's them. But when you're saying, OK, you know, if you want to do this sexual act, you're going to have to do X, Y, Z. I think that's when it becomes less attainable for them. And that's where the anger comes from. making so much money on only fans you're the buyer right so yes it's there but it's we're not just making it out of thin air and women are not

They're such small consumers of any pornography. Like, I'm not saying women don't watch porn, but women are such a small sliver of who's consuming or paying for anything sexual. That reminds me of Ari. You guys know this Ari girl? she's new uh she's up and coming she's a porn star she's incredible but she has a lot of

Girl fans. Oh, Ari. Ari Chris. I don't know her last name. I'm a big fan of this girl. You know who I'm talking about. Is she dating Young Gravy? Yeah, she's dating Young Gravy now. I'm not going to comment on that one. But my girl is amazing. I love her. Yeah, I actually like

I'm not a jealous person, but I love when I see, and I'm like, I wish that could be me. I get a girl following, like, there's a girl Tara's world. The Paulie, whatever. Not easy to get a girl. No, I had, these come out and girls run away. intimidated yeah yeah for sure you're going out on the streets showing your tits not just in general no on instagram on instagram on like social media like i mean girls are just jealous yeah those are jealous beings

And it comes out a lot and it's hard for us to gain a female audience because they get weirded out by things, you know? You know, I would push back on that and I would say, perhaps not jealous. Perhaps intimidating. Yeah, intimidating. Yeah, well, that sucks. Yeah, it does suck. I'm like, either one sucks. I can speak from experience, so I've definitely been around. I have some beautiful girlfriends. Even Kayla, sometimes she just saunters in.

years she's like i'm brush my teeth i'm brush my face looking gorgeous like a doll yeah i get it honey there's everything to be jealous about yeah and i'm like i'm like well wait a minute i have to be in the mirror for like at least an hour yeah and you come in here

Right, right. So it can be intimidating. In any type of way. Yeah. I think if you're around it, because I... moved back to chicago so i live in a south suburb now and it's very like suburban moms like very vanilla and i always have like a lot of grace for the the judgment because they don't

They have I've been around siege. I've been around you guys. I've been on CJ. I'm on the I've talked to hundreds of porn stars like beautiful women. So to me, I'll still the same thing. I'll be like, oh, I really like this about this girl. Like, I think you have a beautiful face like like.

You have amazing boobs. Your eyes are beautiful. I notice things about women when I see them, but I'm not looking at you guys thinking like, ugh, she's beautiful. I just met her, and she's a threat. I know a lot of people do, though. But I've been around it, and these women have not been around it. So they just haven't been exposed to enough girls like us who are cool and nice.

they don't have to feel threatened to them. They see, Oh, my husband, if my husband sees her, he's not going to want me. It's the girls in the industry too. It's everybody. It's not just the girls that aren't around beautiful girls or.

powerful women you know it's the girls that are also in the industry that are like this I think because when I remember in high school being jealous of this girl I'm actually she's one of my best friends now which is crazy but I remember she was pretty she was smart everyone like looked up to her I'm like oh my god I want to be like her. And I remember feeling that jealousy. And then I got to a place in my life where I'm so good with myself that there.

Jealousy doesn't even live in my body. Like those girls I named off. I'm like, I want to be like them. I want to learn from them. And I think when you are in yourself and love yourself, when you are so secure with yourself, there's no jealousy that you have. You figure it out. How do you get there? Because both of you are very confident.

how have you girls gotten there over time can you give some advice i know that's like the biggest like thing is how do you have so much confidence i know people ask me all the time i think um You know, I was bullied in high school that I was stupid. I'd never make it in life. And I think when I spent a lot of time to myself in college and created like my own kind of path, if you will, I realized like I instilled in me, oh, my God, if I.

do something and I try hard, I get a positive outcome. I actually can do these things that I was told in high school that I can't. So for me, I kind of got addicted to this process of application and... reward and seeing that work and seeing your your vision come to life yeah and seeing that outcome and so i to me i just did that so much where it's like oh my god i can you know i just got addicted to that where it builds so much confidence in me

esteemable acts that's what we say in aa is esteemable acts and then you will get that confidence for yourself Even if it's like little things, but it builds up. Yeah, it's small things. It's very small things that contributed over my life to just be like, oh, wait, I can.

I could do anything. There's nothing in this person. If you feel value in yourself, whether it's your looks, like if you, let's say you don't feel like you're the hottest woman, but you know you're a fucking, you put all of your effort into being an amazing mom and wife.

If that's where you find your value and you just know, like, I feel like I like I take such great care of my kids. They always feel loved. I love cooking, whatever it is. It's your value in it. You shouldn't feel like I feel like women have a lot of pressure now that if you just want.

to be a mom and stay at home that's not like like enough oh like honestly i think it's the uniqueness of somebody that is that can bring you confidence what do you like most about yourself like in unique uniqueness your unique meaning i can just be myself like i'm not afraid to i don't want to act or be like anybody else you accept yourself because yeah there's i mean everyone is so different

And it's like you can't ever compete with that. It's never going to work. Never going to happen. No matter what you do in any area of your life. it's always going to be different and always going to be a different outcome so it's like you got to work with what you got is what it really comes down to it's like how are you your best self and no one can compete with that it's your aura it's your energy I love it. So I think us girls have to think more of that.

Because we don't think about that that often. Be in acceptance. Don't try to put yourself up against another woman. It's a good thing. And it sounds cliche, right? It's good to be different. Yeah. What would you say to people who would say to you, well, it's easy to say that because you're beautiful and you have...

x y and z like what would you honestly say to someone who let's just lay it out that's hard because that's an insecurity but what if what if like you're just literally you're unattractive right you're an unattractive person right in their eyes they're unattractive whatever it is like you're

Maybe a little overweight. You got some acne. You don't feel like you're that smart. You don't really, there's not, you're not athletic. What do you say to somebody like that who they realistically aren't going to be you?

It's a lot of mind fuckery, I think. It's a lot of mind stuff. This is where your app comes into play, too. It's like, I think that you have to be the best version of yourself, period, around you. You're going to work with the people around you. They might not be around a lot of...

tens gorgeous people all the time but like around their people shit you could be the boss you know what I'm saying you have to have that energy of I could be that one around my people and inspire them to let's level up a little bit and it's not just all

the way you look it's like you got to think deeper than that honey because my advice gets you in trouble too it's not always a fucking great thing at all so my advice for a quick fix for something like that you need to find a friend uglier than you You need to find a friend. You need to be the hottest in your fucking group period. Uglier, dumber, slower, fatter than you. At least be the hottest one around you. That's what I'm saying. Ever. This is a part of it. It is.

It's kind of true. It also is faking until you make it. Yes. But like not being fake and not being a fake person. Yeah. I like that the conversation is going into mental health. Oh, yeah. You're so sweet. I love these conversations. This is fucking great.

No, this is amazing. I think this is my favorite kind of conversation because my favorite thing about OnlyFans for me is like a means to an end. And it's not like a shame thing that I don't want to do forever, but it's allowed me to do so many things that I wouldn't have been able to do in my normal degree job.

Yeah. And that's OK. And it's also OK if you want to do it forever and be 50 years old and still be doing porn. Right. But I think my favorite ones are when I learn about how people are using it to do other things. I think that's like the. chef's kiss of only fans is like i would have never in my normal job been able to make money as a behavioral specialist like i i couldn't be fine but i would have never had

The opportunity to like help my family if they needed help. All of the things that we're able to do. Maybe, yes, you would have been able to start the app if you didn't do it. But it would have been a lot fucking harder and taken way more time. And now you can have an impact way sooner because you're able to leverage.

the money that you did on there yeah it's taking that's cool big risk it's a lot of risk you have to have big balls to do shit like this yeah i put a half a million into it and a lot of people to be able to get to where i am would need a ton of investors i own

Right now, 85% of my company, if I had to do it the way most people did it, they probably would be down to 60%. Which is okay, but you didn't have to. And now you get to have the autonomy and make it your dream and nobody gets to tell you what... anything if you don't want them to and that's so rare it's really fucking rare for huge companies that's all

Not even late. Look at people who start when they're 40, 50, 60. I love seeing that. I embrace my late blooming. I love it. I think it's so inspiring. Wait, Morgan Freeman's on OnlyFans? Yes. No, I'm saying she's a late bloomer. Oh, late in his career. I was like, wait. One of the most iconic people ever. What's he doing? He's showing those balls, guys. You know what he's doing? He's using that deep voice. Yeah, girl. He's doing the J-O-I.

So he's doing J-O-I's. People would buy it. They would. I would buy one. I would just buy one and make him say my name. Say my name. Say my name. Talk me to sleep. Morgan Freeman. Yeah. Oh my God. But no, yeah, it's really cool seeing people that are older that are embracing that because it's... as a woman too, as we get older, it's fucking scary, you know? And it's like, you know, women aren't as attractive, you know, as when they get older men.

look great still in their 60s, 70s. Some men look really great, but women, we have, you know, we have our aging process. And so I think it's so beautiful for women to love their bodies in their 50s. You know, I think it's fucking awesome.

That's it, honey. Yeah. Because we miss our bodies when we were whatever, too. I already missed my 20. I'm like, get me back. So you got to embrace what you got right now. I think it's so iconic, though, that there are these women that are just starting porn in their 40s. And we haven't had our last...

guest Addison James yeah she just started I think she was 41 when she started porn yeah yeah and I'm like that's iconic because there's a lot of iconic yeah there's a lot a society will tell you no way in your 40s You're not even like sexy to like your husband or your partner or anything that you should just roll over and die. And it's intriguing.

to see that or even like if you're a mom like you can't be sexy it's intriguing to see these different stages of life sexualized that's one of the things i do really boundaries yeah i do appreciate that about only fans because it is repeatedly showing us, even though it's men particularly that are telling us you're no longer desirable past this certain point, there's other men that are going,

no you're good and in fact maybe even more desirable right pregnant and chunky and whatever else there's a real beauty to it that i really appreciate and i just think it's like It is interesting that the internet, as toxic as it can be, can also show us that, in fact, there's a lot of...

somebody out there for everyone and there's a safe space to go if you need you know for whatever you need xyz you need something sexy we got it over here you need some mental support you got it over here it's a it's definitely

internet is a wild west for sure and that's the one of the things that i love with only fans what it's done for me is it's been such a freeing experience to be like oh i can be that that sexy bad bitch and it's okay i shouldn't be ashamed because i have bigger boobs or whatever and i can embrace it

boob girl are your boobs natural they are totally not natural they're not oh okay yeah no they are fake yeah nice um juicy and real they look yeah they do i know my doctor was great so the boobs are iconic i didn't i didn't I want porn star tits. Ain't nobody seeing your tits right now. We got nips. We got hard nippies. I love it.

I want bigger boobs. I've always wanted the big, like I've always wanted big boobs. Mine weren't supposed to be this big. So I just kind of got stuck with them. Yeah, I should. The picture just doesn't even look the same, but it's okay. We have porn star tits and they make me money now. Are you doing like a JOI with your tits off?

on your only family? You know, we got them shaken. This is my cleavage. I have to pull them together. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That was more than what I started out with. I remember, I feel like. Yeah. Yeah, that was way more. I kind of miss having being more flat chest. It has its perks. Yeah, literally. All right, well, let's just totally switch gears here from our deep intellectual conversation. Fearless Pizza, we love you. Oh, my God, I love this. That's a nice one. Let's jump right in. Yeah.

I think it's all dependent on if you know how to work it. Like to me, I've been with people that aren't really that big, but they know what they're doing. And to me, chemistry is everything. Chemistry is definitely it. If we have this bond, like your dick can be smaller and it could be better than the...

guy with a bigger dick no you don't want you don't want pencil dick but you can't have I feel like there has to be a minimum there's like a minimum to entry barrier to entry but once you're past that really For you? Actually, I say the same thing, Gerth. I don't think length is as important. Okay, but the minimum... Because I like to grind. Yeah. I guess it's just if that's what you want. Okay.

Yeah, the girth is important. I would say if I had to choose girth over length, it would be, yeah, that would be it. Agreed. I choose girth. I don't want like a thick, girthy two-incher. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's weird. Yeah. No, sorry. No offense. If you're girthy and small, it ain't good. And if you're just small, it's not like micropenis. I'm sorry. It's just the reality, you know. I ran away from one once. If we just know, like, guys.

You could just work really hard on your oral skills and your hands. Make a Zumba class. Yeah. What? Zumba? Take a Zumba for the hips? Oh, I was like, I don't think that helps. That's what I was thinking. I'm like, I don't think that will do it. a dance or something get some rhythm bitch right like work on your other skills like if you feel like you're lacking in that you can do a lot of work with like your hands you know your work on your money skills how about that

If you have a two inch micro-peen, then just go to work and get rich. We'll tell you you're ugly and you have a little penis and then you give us your money. Yeah, and that too. Some people like that too. Yeah, we're going to dominate that. I think I fucked up and I didn't put in that request. Someone requested it. What? I missed it on that one. Uh-oh, you got to tell that rich man with a little dick that he's... I'm fucking up.

I've been in an RV, guys. One of my best life. We need to wrap it up soon, but we need to know about this RV situation, ma'am. I decided to give up my two cars, my places. I had one in LA, Miami, and I'm like...

I'm getting rid of everything. And I'm going to live in a 45-foot fifth-wheel RV, which means you pull it with my big truck. Did you drive it here? Is it outside? Can we see it? No, it's not here. I'm like, should we have filmed the podcast in there? So I know RV parks very well now. Okay. They're lit. It's a whole experience. I actually, twice, I did like...

an extended road trip. My stomach is so, I'm so sorry. My, um, I did an extended road trip. So I have parked overnight in the RV park and I have emptied the septic tank. You've done that. I have. Yeah, it is not cute. Not fun. but it's a lot of fun being in the RV though it's kind of fun it's insane honestly the lifestyle and I have two dogs and a boyfriend so it's like

Every day it's something. Yeah. Every day it's something in that damn RV. Does your boyfriend do most of the driving though? Hell yeah. I haven't even driven anything. He's driven like 8,000 miles in the past month and a half. We've gone across country probably twice. But guys like to drive.

He likes it. He's a manly man. He needs to drive. He does all the things. If things break, the toilet, all types of shit that he's done with his RV because there's a lot. There's a lot. You've got to remember so many things. Yes. But it's so freeing. And I wish and I'm like an advocate right now. People need to get on an RV. I agree. And go travel and do it. And it's hard for women just to do it on your own. You can.

But I wouldn't recommend it. But this shit, this lifestyle is great. And I noticed you also, you either like have to have money or you got to be just like real broke. Right. Like to be in an RV lifestyle. It's kind of.

But no matter what, you gotta work on... on on the road you got to be able to work on the road you know and things like that so what what what made you was this his idea was this your idea i've always wanted to do it it's always been in the back of my head number one and then i met him and i was moving to new york dead solid like i'm

going to new york telling everyone i tell my friends everything i'm going places and then i end up not in these places all the time but i'm going to new york and then he's like I think we drove all my stuff to New York from LA. That's what was going on. We had a road trip together the whole way across America. And we're spending so much time together. We're just talking. We're like, what if we like really did this? Like just traveled and got on like an RV or something.

I'm obsessed. It came up like that, and I was like, why not? That's a good relationship. I've always wanted to do that. Let's try it. That's a long-ass drive. Fuck it. Yeah. Cheaper as well. I can go wherever I want, stay however long I want. My home, it's my home. Part of my stuff is in there, like all my other shits and storage in New York, above all places. I love that. It's been crazy. It's been amazing. So I think more people should try it out.

I love that. I've done it myself too. And I definitely think it's something that everybody should do at least once. And I'm a pretty boozy bitch. And I think you're a little bougie as well. Of course. And we like we made it and I was still enjoying myself doing my like self-care. You can still be bougie in the RV. Yeah. You really can. Yeah. You just get a little more creative. But I really enjoyed it. And I definitely think. Like that is something.

that everyone should try. I don't know how long it's going to last, but we'll see. Yeah, I'm really bougie. For me, just try a weekend. That's it. A weekend would be good. I'm not bougie. I'm not bougie. I did a few deals with NASCAR.

Yeah, I got forced into doing it because I did a few deals with NASCAR and I had to go to some of the... the you had to get your white trash on girl and i did it in like talladega oh my god it was so much fun these hicks were crazy and there is a mud bath of these people or no hot sauce they were they The two girls were in hot sauce and got into like a fight in hot sauce. They were topless?

Yeah, this girl's top came off. There's none of that at our RV park. These people are bizarre. The most we had was like a taco truck coming on a Tuesday. And then guys would run around, show me your tits for like money or shots. That's NASCAR life though. Margarita or not Margarita. What is it? Louisiana. Was this at like RV parks? What the fuck's the thing in NOLA?

Mardi Gras. Instead of Mardi Gras, yeah, you get shots and beer. So that was wild. But I didn't have to clean the tank or anything. That is beyond me. It's a lot of tanks. But it was cool. I did it twice. daytona which was cool but you get to go perform you get to collab you get to do whatever it was fun you want to do and go see the parks and national parks i came from moab and denver moab is lit i would have never known about it really until i went there it's just like

It's unique. Experience America. And then I want to go to Europe because... America, I want to get out of here. What it was cool with, though, it made me closer with the people I went with. Because unlike a hotel or anything, you were stuck in this little space and you end up having conversations you don't expect. So the intimacy of it was kind of cool.

I've been doing Coachella, I realize. I've been doing Coachella in an RV the past, like, three years. And this year I brought my own. It was sick. You brought the whole situation? I'm like, oh my God, my house is here. It was lit. I was like, this is my whole house. My whole house is at Coachella. My dogs are at the fucking house. I'm going to the Coachella and then going to my dogs. I'm like, this is life. Honestly, it was the best. And I've done Coachella.

other ways i've done the influencer houses i've done the just rent an airbnb i've i've done a lot of different things and the rv tops it off wow well you're right there too aren't you close yeah like five minutes yeah that's that's no traffic park's great yeah yeah Amen to that.

Yep. Try it out, y'all. I like it. I love this. Find you a man, maybe, and then get the road. Yeah, have him drive. We can have RV meetups. Yeah. RV park meetups or whatever. Oh, my God. We'll turn. We can. All the OnlyFans girls get on them. Yeah. We turn the RV. RV parks upside fucking down, okay? And we're just doing OnlyFans. OnlyFans will literally be banned from RV parks. That's what will happen. I'm secretly working my way in, let me tell you. It's not easy.

All right, guys. Well, this is fun. This is very cute. I love it. We talked about a lot of good stuff. Thank you for having us. Thank you for coming. Thank you, Alicia, for inviting me. CJ's going to go eat. My tummy's growling. Aw. Yeah. Until next time. Have a good day, ladies. Thanks, guys. Yeah. Bye. Bye. Bye.