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Inner Life, Talks and Thoughts

Mark Vernonwww.buzzsprout.com

Reflections from Mark Vernon on soulful matters including spirituality and psychotherapy, science and religion, consciousness and the divine. For more on see www.markvernon.com

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Falling in love with your therapist. On transference & countertransference

Robert Rowland Smith and Mark Vernon discuss these two dynamics of projection. Transference and countertransference have become core to psychoanalysis, though Freud and others were initially very wary of them. So what are the limits to using the feelings that fill a therapy room? How can the set-up of the room itself affect such things? How can transference and countertransference be unethically manipulated, not least when feelings of love are activated? And also, how do these experiences relate...

Jul 18, 202343 min

10 ways to understand AI

AI can be understood by the many, not just the few. We don’t need to respond to technologist and media hype via fear and the call for another lockdown, this time on AI development. I hope ten points are illuminating. 1. The Turing test has been passed, but it never was a very good test to start with. 2. The AI industry thrives on the promise of tomorrow and is often led by those confusing themselves with gods. 3. Our psychology, as well as theirs, needs considering more fully, too. 4. AI models ...

Jul 10, 202319 min

Narcissism. Good and Bad Therapy. A series of conversations with Robert Rowland Smith & Mark Vernon

What exactly is narcissism? Why is it so debilitating and troubling? Must everyone face narcissistic impulses and needs? In this discussion, Robert Rowland Smith and Mark Vernon explore the origins of narcissism in ancient myth and contemporary psychoanalysis. They explore the variety of pathological narcissisms, how it can be treated and whether a society increasingly online is at risk of becoming more narcissistic. For more on Robert - https://www.robertrowlandsmith.com For more on Mark - http...

Jun 15, 202334 min

The Scandalous Radicality of Owen Barfield’s Thought. Landon Loftin, Max Leyf & Mark Vernon

Owen Barfield was the friend of CS Lewis and JRR Tolkien. He championed the importance of imagination and poetry. But what can be missed is the transformative depth of his ideas. They can revolutionise our perception of everything. Landon Loftin and Max Leyf are the authors of What Barfield Thought: An Introduction to the Work of Owen Barfield. In this conversation with Mark Vernon they ask how Barfield invites us to reconsider the meaning of everything from the human face to ancient history, fr...

Jun 06, 20231 hr 18 min

End of Life Experiences. A conversation with Rupert Sheldrake

Terminal lucidity is the phenomenon of individuals who are dying receiving a surge of life, perhaps to say goodbye, as their death approaches. So what is the nature and meaning of such well-attested experiences? In this episode of the Sheldrake-Vernon Dialogues, Rupert Sheldrake and Mark Vernon use Rupert's recent paper examining terminal lucidity in animals, to open up a discussion of phenomena from post-mortem contacts to the resurrection of Jesus. Rupert's paper can be found here - https://ww...

Jun 02, 202340 min

What makes a place safe to talk? Psychotherapy and the frame. Robert Rowland Smith & Mark Vernon

Safety, confidentiality and trust are key parts of psychotherapy. That almost goes without needing to be said. But what is enabled by these qualities of the frame? How do they open up less conscious thoughts and feelings? In this second conversation about psychotherapy, Robert Rowland Smith and Mark Vernon explore this space of real encounter, which is paradoxically safe so as to allow the less safe to emerge. They ask how the frame feels sacred, how it can be spoiled or abused, and how it might...

May 19, 202336 min

How Jesus can save us from AI

The anxiety about AI has reached hysterical proportions. Luminaries are declaring that every last human being is at risk. Which suggests a panic not about the future, whatever it may bring, but about the present, and what has already been lost. What has vanished, for some, is a living sense of what it is to be human. As William Blake knew, when machine ways dominate, human beings flip from hope to despair, from elation to desperation. The question that seems to hard to answer is just what it mea...

May 14, 202322 min

Monarchy, diversity & William Blake. An Idler Drinks thought

William Blake was against the monarchy. But might his Georgian loathing of the homogenising, conforming tendency of tyrannical rule have been utterly transformed by the coronation that opens the Carolean era? My piece at The Idler, "The Marvellous Oddity of the Coronation" is here - https://www.idler.co.uk/article/the-marvellous-oddity-of-the-coronation/ For more on Idler Drinks - https://www.idler.co.uk For more on Mark Vernon - https://www.markvernon.com...

May 11, 20235 min

Good & Bad Therapy. Or, have we reached "peak trauma"? A conversation with Robert Rowland Smith

Therapies of various kinds are routinely in the news. And there is much to be said for the ease with which people talk about mental ill-health. But psychotherapy, in particular, can also received critique. What works on the couch? How do different traditions and techniques foster change? And is all that can happen to us well viewed through the lens of trauma? Clearly, there is trauma in the world and too much of it. But there are other ways of approaching suffering. Maybe we are at a moment when...

Apr 13, 202333 min

In Praise of Praise. A conversation with Rupert Sheldrake

Why do people offer praise and gain from it? Does God require, even demand praise? In this episode of the Sheldrake-Vernon Dialogues, Rupert and Mark discuss what can be wrongly implied by praise and what it might mean as an immensely rich practice. Mark confesses to having been put off the notion, as if adulation were demanded by a divine narcissist, which Rupert responds to by considering the etymology of praise, shared by words such as appreciation and interpretation. The discussion develops ...

Mar 28, 202343 min

Carlo Rovelli is interestingly, importantly wrong about Anaximander

There is a myth that science and religion are locked in conflicted. And it's a battle that science must win. The physicist, Carlo Rovelli, is an eloquent purveyor of the myth and uses the Ancient Greek philosopher, Anaximander, to perpetuate the confrontation. However, Rovelli has a problem. His case rests on a set of assumptions that look increasingly untenable and untrue, and even undesirable. In fact, Anaximander can help us understand where modern science, for all its genius, goes wrong....

Feb 24, 202313 min

Freeing Perception. 10 Ways of Living Iain McGilchrist's Work

So you've bought into the great insights of Iain McGilchrist, as explored in The Master and His Emissary, and also, The Matter with Things. You understand that the key ability is “presencing the world” - comprehending, not merely calculating - experiencing, not merely modelling - attuning, not merely measuring - understanding, not merely manipulating - living and dying, not merely being on or off. But what now to do? How not to live? What’s needed is a conversion of awareness. So here I suggest ...

Jan 28, 202355 min

What is objectivity? A conversation with Rupert Sheldrake & Mark Vernon

Objectivity has come to be regarded as a prime ingredient of reliable knowledge. But what is objectivity, how has it arisen, and is the notion in need of reform? In this episode of the Sheldrake-Vernon Dialogues, Rupert and Mark consider the recent work of the philosopher, Richard Gunton. With colleagues, Richard examines older understandings of objectivity in science and proposes an alternative which is truer to scientific work. In particular, the reductive idea that links objectivity with repl...

Jan 14, 202329 min

Harry & Psychotherapy. British & American traditions. Reflecting on differences, conflicts, tensions

Prince Harry is caught in a media storm. But within the mix of sympathy and loathing lie transatlantic differences in psychological and psychotherapeutic traditions. What is sometimes called Self Psychology plays a bigger role in the US, focusing on the healing potential of empathy, idealisation and narrative. This shapes therapeutic and cultural styles. It seems as if Harry has, in part, turned to this tradition to find healing. In British and European traditions, a different approach tends to ...

Jan 07, 202314 min

A New Axial Age? A conversation with Beth Macy & Mark Vernon

To celebrate the release of his new book, Spiritual Intelligence in Seven Steps, the Pari Center invited Mark Vernon, to talk about his new work with Beth Macy. They discuss the notions of spiritual intelligence, the spiritual commons, the Axial revolutions, the presence of suffering, and whether we are in a new Axial Age now. For more on Spiritual Intelligence in Seven Steps see - https://www.markvernon.com/books/spiritual-intelligence-in-seven-steps Beth Macy has been a manager, leader, consul...

Dec 22, 202240 min

Spiritual Intelligence in Seven Steps. Step Seven - Befriending Irruptions

Spiritual Intelligence In Seven Steps is my new book, released December 2022. This is a short thought on step seven, which is about different types of time. Chronos, or clock time, dominates the world today. But there are other kinds, including kairos, which sees every moment as revelatory and is needed in times of change. For more on the book see - https://www.markvernon.com/books/spiritual-intelligence-in-seven-steps

Dec 13, 20223 min

Spiritual Intelligence in Seven Steps. Step Six - Resonating With Reality

Spiritual Intelligence In Seven Steps is my new book, released December 2022. This is a short thought on step six, which is about how spiritual intelligence understands the value of virtue over ethics or morality. This preference is because virtues don't primarily tell us what to do, but rather connect must fully with the nature of things. For more on the book see - https://www.markvernon.com/books/spiritual-intelligence-in-seven-steps

Dec 13, 20223 min

Spiritual Intelligence in Seven Steps. Step Five - Learning To Die

Spiritual Intelligence In Seven Steps is my new book, released December 2022. This is a short thought on step five, which is about death. Any wisdom tradition worth considering will have much to say about death, both as an end to mortal existence and as a daily experience. For more on the book see - https://www.markvernon.com/books/spiritual-intelligence-in-seven-steps

Dec 13, 20223 min

Spiritual Intelligence in Seven Steps. Step Four - Settling The Soul

Spiritual Intelligence In Seven Steps is my new book, released December 2022. This is a short thought on step four, which is about how beneath and through the ups and downs of everyday life, that vitality which can be called our soul, can be detected a wider being, which can be called spirit. For more on the book see - https://www.markvernon.com/books/spiritual-intelligence-in-seven-steps

Dec 13, 20223 min

Spiritual Intelligence in Seven Steps. Step Three - See Reality Is Simple

Spiritual Intelligence In Seven Steps is my new book, released December 2022. This is a short thought on step three, which is concerned with how our sense of individuality, or oneness, can be known as a mirror of the unity of all things. This perception, in turn, facilities awareness of an abiding simplicity running through all complexity. For more on the book see - https://www.markvernon.com/books/spiritual-intelligence-in-seven-steps

Dec 13, 20222 min

Spiritual Intelligence in Seven Steps. Step Two - Discovering Freedom

Spiritual Intelligence In Seven Steps is my new book, released December 2022. This is a short thought on step two, which asks about the nature of our freedom. Spiritual intelligence understands that, whilst good to have, freedom is not ultimately about choice or voice, but aligning with what's good, beautiful and true. This is where true freedom is found. For more on the book see - https://www.markvernon.com/books/spiritual-intelligence-in-seven-steps

Dec 13, 20222 min

Spiritual Intelligence in Seven Steps. Step One - Telling Our Story

Spiritual Intelligence In Seven Steps is my new book, released December 2022. This is a short thought on step one, which concerns the big history that we tell ourselves about ourselves. In short, the dominant big story is driven by a crude Darwinism that writes out spiritual intelligence, though there is good reason from the science to conclude that's wrong. For more on the book see - https://www.markvernon.com/books/spiritual-intelligence-in-seven-steps

Dec 13, 20222 min

Seven Steps in seven minutes. Moves for recovering spiritual intelligence as explored in my new book

Spiritual Intelligence in Seven Steps is my contribution to aiding the recovery of the full range of human capabilities and consciousness. Artificial, rational, even emotional intelligence are not enough to ground us, valuable though they be. We need not just know-how, but know-that our lives are grounded in a spiritual commons. The steps I outline here, and explore fully in my book, are to do with story, freedom, simplicity, soul, death, virtue and time. For more on the book see - https://www.m...

Dec 11, 20227 min

Humanism as Heresy. Testing the thesis of Tom Holland. A conversation with Rupert Sheldrake

The secular historian, Tom Holland, has made the case that atheistic humanism is, at heart, an off-shoot of Christianity. In this episode of the Sheldrake-Vernon Dialogues, Rupert Sheldrake and Mark Vernon ask how that can be so. After all, contemporary humanists are inclined to blame Christianity for all ills, not thank Christianity for seeding values they share. Rupert and Mark agree that there is much in what Holland argues. For example, the tendency to evangelise for western values, as well ...

Dec 06, 202232 min

Take No Bag For The Road. Nature, the Climate Crisis & Christianity. A talk with Peter Owen Jones

Peter Owen Jones is a writer, broadcaster and priest. His new book is Conversations With Nature. We discuss falling in love with the natural world once again, what difference this might make to the climate crisis, how Christianity has failed to respond in any significant way to environmental collapse, though also has an answer, if we are prepared to give no thought for the morrow, value the falling sparrow, and follow the way. William Blake's sense of participation, imagination and divine return...

Dec 06, 202239 min

What is spiritual intelligence? Introducing my new book, Spiritual Intelligence in Seven Steps

We live in an age of emergency, exacerbated by a collapse of meaning. Writer and psychotherapist, Mark Vernon, examines the type of intelligence that, whilst often dismissed and overlooked, is crucial to understand and cultivate if we are to survive and thrive in our times. Spiritual intelligence is the foundation of who we are and our particular type of consciousness. It is the perception identified across wisdom and religious traditions, and known by many names, which can be summarised as the ...

Nov 06, 202214 min

The Veiling of Reality. Rishi Sunak, William Blake and the Bhagavad Gita

Rishi Sunak is Britain’s first Hindu leader. His success is a conspicuous manifestation of the deep links that exist between Indian and English culture. It reaches back William Blake, an early reader of the Bhagavad Gita after it was translated into English. His angel-morphic figures and Vedantic impulses would have been developed with his reading, helping him to restore the unitive sense of reality to English Christianity, much lost after the Reformation. As Jesus tells Albion in Blake’s epic p...

Oct 29, 20227 min
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