A Slippery Slope

How do you police someone's "words, actions and thoughts"? That's a plan being floated by the chief security minister, Wiranto, on the pretext of "national security." Hayat and guest host Basten discuss what this means for Indonesia's hard-won freedoms of expression and thought, and ruminate about how Ben Franklin's immortal words -- that a society that trades its liberties for security deserves neither -- ring true today.