Julia Carmen (00:00:05):
Hola, beautiful light beings. Welcome to the Indigenous Wisdom Podcast today. I'm so happy that you're joining us today. And guess what? I have a really fun, amazing, wonderful, beautiful, talented, awesome. Shall I say more Juliana Guerrero, who happens to be my granddaughter and my assistant when we go on and do, when we put on our different retreats all over the world. Juliana, why don't you join us right now and say hi to everyone?
Juliana Guerrero (00:00:45):
Yes, I'm Juliana. I am my grandmother's apprentice. I have been with her for some time and I have been learning this work and then also learning how to bring this work into my own life in terms of yes, what I do is my job, my career. I am an English teacher in a high school level, and that helps me navigate through that day to day. And then also just my day to day as a normal human being and being able to move through the moments of life and feel myself fulfilled. And then also being awake in terms of what's happening. And with myself. That's been a big thing for me lately, is being in tuned with my body and making sure that I have that connection, but also making sure that I'm aware of that. So that's a lot of what I think has been me and my work lately.
Juliana Guerrero (00:01:47):
And then that affects everything else, like my relationships with friends and family and having myself be more present and be more focused on the people around me instead of, I think way before I even became an apprentice and became into myself now here now at 27 when I was younger, I feel I was very much in my head about life, rightfully so, I think with being a college student and then getting my master's and then becoming a teacher and getting certifications. So I needed to be in specific mindsets and head spaces to get my credentials, to get my master's, to get my bachelor's and all these kinds of processes. But I feel I was never fully having those present moments in my life. Always filled with a lot of things that go in terms of my mental health and my wellbeing. And now it's starting to go back to a lot of the things that I did or the things that I do like to do.
Juliana Guerrero (00:02:55):
And that's just a lot of what my life has been postgraduation and post starting my life as a new teacher and learning to remember the things that I'm being taught with my grandmother and being in the math class space. So it's hearing these podcasts and remembering that these things continue forever and not just in one singular moment that I get to have with other people or just in these spaces. So that's been my big journey, and that's just been also me as a young person. Again, emphasizing just how I remember that I'm here at 27 and I'm still kind of figuring out my footing in a lot of things and figuring out and navigating my life, and I think that's always something we do as humans and also as seers and who we are of our own life. Oh
Julia Carmen (00:03:54):
My goodness, I like that. That's beautiful. Juliana, as you were speaking, and I'm listening, I'm so listening to everything you're sharing. I still remember that day you're talking about now you, you're 27 and you're kind of looking around and you're going, okay, I'm this human. And then I've been hanging out with my grandmother, which is I, right? And I still remember the first time, one of the first times that I guess you really understood that you were here on this planet. I don't know hope, if you don't feel comfortable with me sharing this, we could cut this out. But when you were outside, I think you were maybe oh, two or three years old, and you were at the top of the stairs looking up and you were crying. And I said, what's the matter, baby? And you said, I can't fly. And I looked at you and I said, what do you mean you can't fly?
Julia Carmen (00:04:53):
You go, I can't fly anymore. And we had a little talk story. That was one of the first times that, like I said, I remember that you were remembering that witch like, Hey, you know what, Gigi, you're going to have to remind me. I remember flying. I remember not having a body. I think that's one of the questions I asked you. I said, do you remember not having a body? And you said, through your tears. And I said, when you just looked at me, you said, will I be able to fly again? I said, oh, yeah, but not for a while. Just let's just stay in your body. And you go, okay, and we wiped your tears and you went off to play. And I still remember that thinking, okay, she's ready to understand where she's at in this world. And so you sharing what you shared, that's what came to mind, that it's a continuation of reminding all of us. But in that remembrance of you, of the remembrance of not having a body and being in the nonphysical form of being me, sharing with you, oh, yeah, that's real, but I want you to stay in your body and we're going to do this journey together. So we're talking about 25 years later, and it seems to be that which we've been doing ever since. Right,
Juliana Guerrero (00:06:16):
Right. Yeah, I've been thinking about that a lot and just kind of how that's always been the dynamic and how we've been is just that remembrance for myself. Even if having your support at such a young age in that moment, obviously I don't remember that exact moment, but you tell me about it all the time. But it's that feeling most of the time of just like, I don't know how to do this, or maybe I do know how to do this, but sometimes I just would like that support. So that I feel is very reminiscent of how old we are and how it feels to have you with me.
Juliana Guerrero (00:07:04):
And then I was thinking, I was listening to one of the other podcasts on my work break the other day. It was the vision you had and the remembrance of that you were here to help us remember everything about who we are and what our purpose is and to be connected with our soul selves. And I heard that story many times, and I've heard it since I was young, and I think I was just, it always hits me in different ways every time I hear it. And to be able to hear it in that way and to kind of remember myself, I feel this year has been a lot of my own journey of figuring out who am I as a seer, who am I as a RA and in that space. So I've been in a lot of that searching for myself this year because I really want to focus on that and rather than what everything else is being told for me, and then also knowing how to do it in my way. This is what this work is too, is that I have your guidance, which is a lot like exactly that feeling when I was a little girl and continuing on. But then it's also hearing that podcast, unless it came at the right time for me,
Juliana Guerrero (00:08:32):
Because it's also my piece that it's always me taking that wisdom and then using it for myself and how that works for me. And it's not going to be for anybody else because it's right for me, not for other people. It's my journey. And that's how that is. And I think that's how I feel just in general, that can feel very, seem very selfish to other people. I mean, we can always share what we have and what we need to do to move through our journeys, but it's also, it's very individual, very sacred is what you always tell me. And what our practices are very sacred, that only we understand what that feels like and how that makes us feel that it's not going to be for everybody because we are our own unique selves with our perfect soul selves. So yeah, think that I've just been really feeling the past week really, and coming in this whole realm of what we are talking about here right now.
Julia Carmen (00:09:41):
That's beautiful, Juliana, because that is always been my intention. When the School Without Walls came into existence and I stepped into it, it was to do exactly what you're sharing. And I've shared this before, and I probably shared this with you, where I said, okay, this is generational. My mother was one, my grandmother was one. I mean, that's the word we use, but the seer of Sears kind of deal, right? And people, the over culture would say things like, well, where'd you go to school? Or What's your 10 steps? And I could, well, I don't know, 10 steps to hang out with self and unconditional love. Everybody's different. Unconditional love for self and unconditional trust for self is personal like you shared. So it's delightful, I guess the word, it makes my heart sing. It makes my sinus sing that's connected to my heart that you understand that it's not about me feeding you anything. I mean, if I'm feeding you anything metaphorically, it's to invite you to see self. So I didn't go up to those steps and go, Juliana, do you remember when you flew? I just kind of watched you and hung out with you, and then I would see you and then you would ask me questions. I don't think there was any time I ever went to you and said, this is the way it is. You have to follow me. You have to do what I tell you.
Julia Carmen (00:11:25):
Like, no, that's not how this movement is seer of the Sears holding space for folks to see that witch is whatever that might be. We always talk about match the medicine. Right? Yeah. I'm curious, maybe you shared that already. What, I dunno if I ever asked you this question. So this is kind of a fun platform to be on this podcast and that is what is your thinking or thoughts or feelings or whatever on knowing that you have this generational good and deta or seers as a woman, as far back as I could remember, we've had them and then you said, Hey, I want to hang here and be your apprentice and so on and everything. And I said, sure. So what does that feel like for you?
Juliana Guerrero (00:12:31):
Yeah, that's a really good question. I was also reflecting on that in terms of hearing the podcast, and maybe I've heard it before, but I don't know if I fully understood that it is a generational thing and it's not something that just happened. So the wisdom that gets passed down and that hearing where it came from, coming from your mother, my great grandmother, and then her mother, which is my great great grandmother. So knowing that wisdom is being passed down to me has shifted and allowed me to feel more grounded and being able to step into this feeling lately because I feel right now I feel very called and very attentive and having these feelings of being connected to that generational wisdom and that my abilities as a seer, and I feel sometimes oftentimes a little bit scared, and I have you with me, which is amazing. And then also learning that I do also have other people in my tribe to be there beside me, that has given me a lot more stability and a lot more understanding. So I think that's really, in terms of you asking me that question, how does it feel to have that wisdom or to have that generation, it just feels really supportive and really seen
Juliana Guerrero (00:14:12):
Year of this year makes sense to me lately because at first when I was younger, maybe early twenties, 18, 19, 20, really young coming out of high school, to me that didn't makes sense. I heard it a lot and I was like, I can't grasp what that meaning is. And just this past year has been a lot of just seeing, wow, that's what this means. It means seeing other people, but then also seeing the people that have been with me. And it's just kind of that never connected with me. And I think that's so powerful in that yes, it's us. I did say that individual piece of ourselves, but it's like that's our medicine, right? That's our connection, that's our purpose, not purpose. I say purpose a lot. I feel that's a little bit of the over culture in terms of purpose, but that's that feeling coming back to self, what's always been there. So I feel like I'm getting emotional of that. Yeah. So it feels very, very, that's sorry. But yeah, it just feels very homelike and I think that's very much how it feels lately. I've been, I'm sure you get that feeling, but when I just see pictures of Mexico and or sounds from it and then just feels very, I'm hearing parts of my ancestors, having that moment of, you've got this, you're okay, you understand how to do this.
Juliana Guerrero (00:15:58):
It's those little pieces that I've been feeling lately when I feel I was too afraid to hear it, and now I'm starting to hear it and really understand what that is doing before I just be like, I'm not ready. I don't need to hear that. And I'm scared. But now it's like I'm really happy and I feel really grateful to be connected with such strong women and women that really hold me and make sure I'm okay.
Julia Carmen (00:16:29):
That is so beautiful. Yeah. I'm loving this episode already because we hang out often, but not as much as we used to, which I miss you. But I so love it when you say, I need some Gigi time, and you come and spend the day with me. I savor every moment, and it's almost like I try my best. I am your grandmother, but it just seems like two beautiful, amazing souls that just get to play. And internally, I'm giggling and laughing. I go, remember, you're her grandmother in the human realm. Don't throw too much mud all over the place, metaphorically. So I look to that and enjoy and be in joy of you. That is way beautiful. Yeah. We've talked about this, talking about the mud, and when we struggle, when I see you as a human and I go, oh, or everything that you shared and those moments that you went, I don't know about this, I would share with you that myself and my mother and my grandmother and beyond that we're the soil.
Julia Carmen (00:18:00):
We're the soil. We're the soil for you, folks for you, and there need not be suffering in you because we did it and we gladly did it. So if, if we suffer, what we're saying is that it doesn't mean that you're not going to have a human experience, but exactly what you shared. And that is my ancestors have my back, my grandmother and all the women have my back. They truly do have my back. And I know that we say that often, but as you shared at a young age, you're really understanding this. You think that you're, because you're 27, you go, when I was younger, yeah, okay. It's seven years ago. But in the long scheme of things, I'm 72. You could say I'm 27 if you flip the numbers right. But anyway, yeah. And just to recognize that for myself, my mother and I had a great relationship with my grandmother, my mother and I, we struggled in our relationship, but I knew who she was and she knew who I was.
Julia Carmen (00:19:18):
And so the human story hung out more with my mother and I versus the piece there. And this, my mother was afraid of it, and that's a whole nother story. She was afraid of really being fully there because of the over culture coming in and saying it's like evil and all that stuff. So my choice was to work in the light of the love of the all for self, and then blow that into my grandchildren in a loving, caring way, in the best way. I know how well as humans, we make a lot of booboos, but we're the same.
Julia Carmen (00:20:10):
So we're talking about this old going into the new You're the new meha. Yeah. And I'm just curious. I just kind of shared with you how it used to be, and even when I was growing up, my mom, my mother, your great-grandmother, was not comfortable with my good and my seeing parts, it actually frightened her sometimes, and I did understand it. So the support wasn't there, not because she didn't want to give it to me. She was just concerned for my safety and rightfully so. I think as time went on, I go, oh, that's why she didn't want me to really go out there. And when I really went out there, she actually sat me down and said, be careful. You just got to be careful. This is not safe. I just went, I understood what she was saying. I said, I know mom, but this is my work. I don't know what else to say that respect that my mother and my grandmother and those that came before they were my soil. So then I add more to that soil yaha.
Julia Carmen (00:21:14):
Some people call it passing the torch or whatever. I kind of like to this old into the new and the new into the old, and that's where I feel you are. Your generation is bringing in the old into the new and the new into the old. So it comes together in a way that's respectful for those that have given so much to, I'm not going to say hide, but to keep those things sacred and then to bring them forth in this time and dispensation and time and space. So I don't know if I'm asking the question, but maybe how are you doing with bringing that old into the new, into the old, in your day-to-day life? Okay, maybe that's a good question there.
Juliana Guerrero (00:22:07):
That is a good question. I was thinking a little bit too, and I think we can get into that after of what is that generational shift in thinking about how I bring those practices into my life, I feel I started with things that feel very connected to myself, whether they be from different of my ancestral cultures, and then being sure that I have that full understanding of those intentions and what they are and how I bring that intention to myself.
Juliana Guerrero (00:22:45):
So things that I think it's also been kind of over cultured too, is just kind of what you've showed me. Eating foods that come from the land and from the space that you live in, or getting sage and herbs and that connect to your space and your wellbeing. And then even just kind of branching those out in terms of what I do by and being intentional and purposeful, yes, how they are made, but just knowing that this is what matches with my body. This matches with me as a person. And I feel I've been playing with that lately because I've been having a lot of human body reactions. I've been having outbreak in here, obviously. I had some allergies. I always had really severe eczema as a kid, and it came back. So now I'm having to try to find, make sure to take care of my body because even as much as I'm trying to connect with myself also, my body also has its own reactions, its own connections to what's happening.
Juliana Guerrero (00:23:58):
So I need to take care of it. And I feel I've been researching, but then I realized I know what I need, and then I just go get what I need. And that's how I feel. I've been also utilizing or maybe playing with that kind of piece and just understanding there's intention and purpose, and we can still do that intention and purpose with where we do live. It doesn't always have to look like people taking off for a whole year and doing the soul searching journey or people just going and doing these huge ceremonies constantly and feeling like, oh, I've been enlightened from this one moment of life, and now it's, my whole life has changed, which I understand can happen. And I feel that's kind of what people think can make them feel like they're connected spiritually. But I think spirituality, again, I feel like I'm emphasizing how sacred that can be.
Juliana Guerrero (00:24:59):
The way I connect with my spirituality is going to be different from other people. And just thinking about those little pieces of how I already have things that exist around my home of these intentional sage bundles that I get from people from the Mac class, and being able to have things that really come when you need it, and knowing and accepting when those things do come in too. So I have all these stones and crystals for intentions and purpose, and then I know when to let go of them. I know when to let things be. And it's very much of even just when we have these moments of, I was thinking of this podcast and I was thinking about how we need to have that moment to connect and we hear each other and connect. So we talk about that one a lot of just having that connection with other people and hearing them in those moments.
Juliana Guerrero (00:25:54):
So that to me just feels like the old with the new, we heard each other with our ancestors, we heard each other through our tribes, and we knew where our people were, and we were each other's community in that way. And to me, that just feels like a little bit bringing all these little things are still at old because they're all rooted in that old traditions, they're older intentions. But now we live in this society that has advanced and has become its own thing. It's changed in a lot of ways that I think people are figuring out, how the heck do we go through this? How do we move through this when there's so many other simulations and other things going on? But it's, yes, taking that old and then taking it into what we do have now and being sure that we still have that connection and keeping with that, not just,
Juliana Guerrero (00:26:52):
And maybe at some point, I guess I'm kind of weaving into my next kind of points, which can move into is that maybe at some point that will be removed. Maybe some of the things that we have now being on our phones and computers constantly, we'll start going down and we start reconnecting back to the land, back to the space, and learning how to take care of that. I was talking, one of my friends was here earlier today, and she was talking about this book and how this family was making their morning coffee. And then they decided, I know what I need to do with this. And they didn't decide to drink it, but instead they took it out and they poured it out into the soil with the cream. And the normal day-to-day coffee wasn't anything different. And they knew that in that moment that the land needed something of them, and then the land gave back. So I think it's, it doesn't have to be these big extravagant things. We're always kind of doing it already in terms of the way we interact with ourselves, with the lands and with our
Julia Carmen (00:28:13):
People. Oh yeah, that is, yeah, right there. I'm glad that you brought in the elephant in the room. The technology. Yeah, the social media and all of that. I really don't know how you folks do it. I kind of censor myself. I try my best just to do maybe an hour a day, and sometimes I go over that, but just that hour, it's like I'm like, oh my goodness, my brain is, it takes me away from pouring the coffee out into the land or listening. I mean, I hear everything, but I'm just using that as an example. I mean, I hear everything way too much. So sometimes I have to tell the land, be quiet. I want my cup of coffee. You can't have it today.
Julia Carmen (00:29:12):
That's a metaphor, guys, because it wants everything. Do this for me, do that for me. Yeah. It's so rude. It birds everything anyways, but all that can just suck you in. And so that bringing in, we're calling it being with the land. I know we hear that people saying all the time, and I know you are out there in the world mha, okay, and you've heard me share this when I'm with Nale and my other friends that are talking, walking, both worlds at the same time, there's no separation. We just talk about, Hey, I saw auntie so-and-so, or I saw the so-and-so, and we don't have to say, oh, the living, the nonphysical or the physical, they're all one group. Now. If you hear this, Herman or Herman doesn't care. He goes, yeah, talk about my auntie Liz.
Julia Carmen (00:30:12):
That lady scared the shit out of me Anyways, she doesn't come around anymore. But when I remember when I was talking to Herman, I said, Hey, Herman, auntie Liz came to see me. He frigging knew that it was his aunt that passed on many moons ago, and we just talked about her as if, yeah, said, there's no separation and it's beautiful. So what you're sharing right now, that's my invitation to everyone and always with you. And that is the listening within. That's so listening to the all. I see that we come back to that in ways, the whole collectiveness everyone, and that it's not woo woo or woohoo, that kind of thing. It's just a natural state of being. Yeah, you've heard of that thing that's called Land Back. I listened to a podcast, seventh Generation, and I forget, I always forget his name. But anyways, he was talking about what it meant for land back, and do you know what it really means? Because he think the over cultured things. Oh, everybody wants their land back from way back when. Right. And do you know what it means? I mean, it's a real question. If you know, then it's a rhetorical question. Yeah,
Juliana Guerrero (00:31:45):
Sure. But yeah, you can describe it. That would be helpful, I think.
Julia Carmen (00:31:50):
Oh, okay. Well, he said was, he goes, we don't, I'm using my own words, but I'm going to give you the gist of it was in whole, again, seventh generation, you can Google it and you'll get his podcast. Anyways, he's talking about we don't want the land back. I mean, what we want is to be part of the healing of the land. Let us go back on there and do the control fires, or let us go back on there and get rid of the evasive stuff. Let us share with you folks how to take care of the land. That's what I'm talking about. The old into the new New into the old. Yeah. The over culture has been takers. Right? Very masculine, very, very masculine. Yeah, let's just take and blah, blah, blah. You put your whatevers in it. The female frequency of being is about creation.
Julia Carmen (00:32:54):
It's about collaboration. It's about coming together as a community, coming together as a tribe and being part of the feeding of each other, which includes the land, the world, the trees, everything. And so everything is sacred. I did a podcast with Kika and he said, the moment we move, we are in ceremony. I love that. Yeah, because it's true. The moment we get up in the morning, it is a ceremony, whether it's brushing your teeth or whatever, but we are in ceremony because we're on this planet that is nothing but alive. It's alive. It's not like dead. Even a tree is not dead. It's still vibrating. Right. So you understand what lamb back means. I mean, that was his definition. I think that's what he was trying to get across to folks. Bernard, his name is Bernard, his first name, Dr. Something. I forget his last name. But yeah. So what do you think? I mean, is that what you understand or understood?
Juliana Guerrero (00:34:04):
Yes, thank you. Yeah, because I was funny enough, or really, I was teaching this a little bit to my students, I only have maybe about a week left. So I was giving some info about what land back is, because it was a movement.
Juliana Guerrero (00:34:23):
I think it really took momentum in 2020 because of, and maybe even before that when there were fights about having water rights or having access to healthy water and clean water within the communities. So it was this conversation about land back. And I understand what you're saying about how the over culture takes it of, oh, they just want their land back, and that means we have to give up hours. So therefore I don't want to be part of that. And hearing this conversation, and this is coming from this woman that also the book that I was having students read, Ms. Leah Thomas, and she talks about herself being an intersectional environmentalist, and she had people talking about it and bringing it into her texts and the conversation. But they go into more of this is the environmental policies that we need to implement into society.
Juliana Guerrero (00:35:27):
So making sure that there is regulations of having access to clean water and having access to good food, and to make sure that we can create and grow our own food to ourselves healthy. And that's rooted in the generations and the culture of indigenous peoples. And then also making sure that there is spaces of the burns of the forest control and not have these fires burning that we see because of a product of climate change. So it was just a lot of the old indigenous wisdom that was already and has always been there and being used and then making sure that those do become policies. They do become part of the environmental space because now we are in this new where it's not where it was when we had tribes and we had our communities in the way that we did, but making sure that they're being included into the spaces and that those voices are being heard. And that's really what I've been emphasizing to my students is that our people are always going to have to be at the forefront of these conversations. It's not going to be that over culture and that we need to let people have those conversations and talk and teach us that information rather than having the over culture tell us what we should be doing.
Julia Carmen (00:36:49):
The Amen. Amen. I'm sure, what was the name of the book? I didn't get the
Juliana Guerrero (00:36:56):
Intersectional Environmentalist by Leah Thomas. So she's a young black woman that's had just finished her bachelor's and she got in Environmental Science and Policy, and she was working on this book, it Heck Come out a couple years ago, and she was pushing it out around the pandemic. So this is right again, a young person kind of coming into her space and telling, Hey, this is what it is, and we need to have more of these conversations. And it's that shift of saying we need to take what we already know, what we've already been doing and then taking it into the new. So I think that I just felt, I love it was fad right into this conversation of the old and someone at this new generation bringing that together.
Julia Carmen (00:37:53):
Amen. No, that is so beautiful. Yeah. Wow. Yeah, exactly. I'm sure, I don't know if she has this in her book or not, but I think that's another thing that you probably are aware of. So the old is that we all knew in the indigenous of the all on this planet, this planet is an indigenous planet. It's like life force of all right? Nobody owned anything per se. So the trees were a living, breathing, everything. Living, breathing. Soul had a soul of being. And then people started, okay, this belongs to me, blah, blah, blah. Right? So I think New Zealand, I think some other, maybe even here, I don't know if in the us, but they've gone to court to say, this river is a living, breathing entity, so you can't kill it, basically. You can't pollute it because it's living, breathing. So you had to put it into law in order to save the water,
Julia Carmen (00:39:07):
Which I found. Oh, when I first, I said, huh, what? And then not what they're doing, but that I think is young folks that are like you folks kind of seeing that of the realm of wait a minute, we have to change this. So if they think this is not a living thing, we have to put this on paper, that it is a living thing. Cool. Huh? I can't remember what the name of the thing is, but I thought that was way cool. That's the old into the new. New into the old, right? Yeah. I talk about this when in Rome, do as the Romans do, but hey, you don't have to be a Roman. Yeah, yeah. But you got to know the vernacular of what's going on. Can't not just sit back.
Julia Carmen (00:39:55):
If we don't know, then I'm talking about us old folks, elders, not old folks, us elders that, because I've been around quite a few where they're just frigging effing tired. They're just tired and they feel beaten because they're seeing their children and grandchildren. They go, wow, I feel that sometimes. I didn't think my grandchildren would be having to deal with this stuff. I thought that's what we stood up for in the sixties and seventies. That's why we were involved in our communities and we did this and we did that. And then what? So I'd like to step into the now. How is it feeling for you? I mean, taking what we just shared, the new old into the new, we can feel like wounded healers and there is an art of being a healer. I'm going to use the word healer, most of it actually Sr or however you want it. How do you perceive all of this mha? What is the value and is there a generational shift in all of this, you think? I mean, we talked about that a little bit. I just want to go in into a little bit more of the, now this is May, 2025.
Juliana Guerrero (00:41:30):
Yeah. Maybe describe to me a little bit of what the wounded healer is. I think I've kind of grasped what it is.
Julia Carmen (00:41:39):
Very good. Miha an old thinking. I have that down in my notes here. And the reason I have it down on this is that a long time ago they used to talk about, I don't scribe to it, the wounded healer, meaning someone that teaches RA and they teach and teach, and then eventually they can't teach anymore because they're so wounded and then they die and then they call them ascended masters or ascended This. My understanding now from my peeps, whether they be physical or non-physical, my guides, they said, Y no more. You could be a walking ascended healer or seer or whatever. And so that a lot of the children, a lot of the youth right now have never been here in the human form. They're beyond the Sears of the Sears of the Sears to wake up that witch is already here. And allowing those that feel like they're tired to bring new life into each other.
Julia Carmen (00:42:57):
So I think we do that for each other. Okay, there's this old information that I have that's forever, and then I share that with you. And then you share something just like on this podcast, you share something. I go, oh wow, that is so cool that she shared that with these young people in school about being part of everything. Don't hate the over culture. Don't fight them. Educate or educate yourselves. And I'm not talking about necessarily educational school, but getting quiet and listening to the soul self of you. So that's an old thing that I'm going to go off script here a little bit or whatever. A long time ago, Miha, 20 years ago, we visited some folks on Pine Ridge reservation. We had some friends over there. We were on our way to go to the other Uncle Emilio and Auntie Irene to the powwow they have over there.
Julia Carmen (00:44:11):
But we stopped in South Dakota and Ellie and Tim, bad Harwell, we were sitting there talking story basically about the same thing. Now, she was a retired teacher and he was a retired engineer, and they went back to Pine Ridge to be part of that tribe and healing. And she said their personal spiritual person. And over 20 years, that was 2001 I think, or two, something like that. And she said that their person died of a broken heart because he was like, I can't do this anymore. I can't be here anymore. I'm just a wounded healer. And the new one that came in was a young guy. So I was in my fifties, and so they were a little bit older than I, and I said, how young is he? And they go, oh, he's about 30 something. And I go, oh, okay. She goes, oh my gosh, age doesn't matter, right, Julie? I said, no human age. So that's what I'm talking about, A wounded healer. They lose hope in the world that that witch is all, and they just leave. And I heard a lot of them leaving. They just said, I'm out. Yeah, I can do more work on the nonphysical realm,
Julia Carmen (00:45:34):
But nowadays it doesn't have to be that way. I chose to stay, I can't remember about 10 years ago I had an opening and I said, nah, I think I'll stick around. And then I found this, what that witch is walking in both worlds at the same time, not founded, but backed into it even more and said, oh, so you don't have to be a wounded warrior. I mean a warrior wounded healer. You could be right, right. Yeah. You could be in the art of being a seer in the art of being a right. You can create anything. Like at the beginning you said, I, me, I don't have to be you, meaning Gigi, your grandmother, you're you. You're unique, right? That's not in a book, by the way. So does that go off on
Juliana Guerrero (00:46:42):
No, I think that is all relevant and connects to, I suppose, what my understanding or what is the wounded healer or even of the art of the healer, because there is a shift in terms of what a healer is and how that looks. And I feel since I've really woken up since leaving, I think high school was the last time I really was in just the hum experience. And then about 18, I decided, well, maybe I need to start slowly waking up. And here I am about nine years later waking up. I feel more fullness in my awakeness. And I feel maybe turning 28 this year, which will be 10 years total, it will feel more grounded in how I feel. But looking and the outside, so I've always known that you've are there and be there, but I always was curious of other healers and other spaces and what that looks like.
Juliana Guerrero (00:47:55):
And a lot of it just seems to be to some that I do see, they don't always have that guidance. So I see a sense of, I don't know if I want to say mimic, but kind of replicating things they may see in past traditions and kind of trying things out, and which I think is okay in the sense that if you are connected to those spaces and those intentions that you create for yourself are meant for your own being and your own sacredness. But if it's meant to just, I don't know if there's, there's not true and purposeful intentions in them. What you always tell us whenever we do ceremony for ourselves, it needs to be with intention, right? With true intention for yourself. Because if not, there's other things that could exist or happen and not in a bad way, but it should always have that space and container for sacredness.
Juliana Guerrero (00:49:06):
And I think that's really where I'm trying to navigate or move us down towards is that it doesn't feel sacred that a lot of it just feels, well, I'm going to show myself saging, my house. Very, very simple thing that I think has become over popularized. But it's like people are saying, well, I'm connecting this space, and they tell this whole story and they're staging and it's documented on social media. And I think that's how people are trying to connect to other others. But to me, that feels very performative, and I don't like to say that word because I feel that's what can happen sometimes in this space. We talk a lot about being woke and being woke and just walking in both worlds, but I just feel like that's kind of what that is. It's just people trying to figure out what works for them.
Juliana Guerrero (00:50:05):
But then it's also being very publicized and very much documented for everybody to see. And I'm coming back to a lot of what we even started our conversations with is that you had that healer that was meant for the tribe, the community, and that's where they were. They did work. So it wasn't always about I'm going to heal everybody, and that's not how that works. No, that's totally not how it works. And just letting it go into, I'm going to heal all the tribes. And that's how it feels. It's that there's this want to do everything or heal everything or fix everything. And I'm hearing you say this now to me, that it's like stay in your lane, right? Stay in the space that your answers have given you and that guidance, and it doesn't have to be adding all these 500 different things again, trying to heal the whole world because this one person trying to heal the whole world, it doesn't work that way. And I think that's what I think I see so often. And obviously so because then people get popular off their videos and people say, oh, I really, again, going back to that person, let's say saging their house and telling their story, people share it and it gets so big and popular, and then people think that's what healing is. That's what a healer is, and that's what they do. But not everyone is a healer, and that's not everyone's calling and purpose. And there's always intention about how we do every single little piece of that.
Juliana Guerrero (00:51:56):
Maybe I'm going too much over there, but with that,
Julia Carmen (00:51:59):
That's great. No, no, that's great. Because that is that which is, yeah, no bueno. No Bueno means I've seen some of that and I go, oh, no, don't do that. I mean, I'm not telling people what to do or not to do, but you've been on most of the retreats that we've put on. And there people go, what do you do at the retreat? I go, well, it's not mine to tell from the moment people say they're going to, from the moment people sign up and things start happening, the retreat itself is kind of like eating cake, basically your favorite cake or your favorite dessert or your favorite food or favorite anything. And then we have a post. It goes on forever, and it's a one big sacred movement that
Julia Carmen (00:52:54):
Is not specifically just for that. I think Caroline, she's been on the show before and you know who she is. She said, Julia, I feel after we did the Napa retreat, I mean, she just said, I feel like this is my normal state of being. She goes, I've been to other places or whatever, and I feel like I have to fit myself back into the world and people aren't going to understand me. She goes, but I don't feel that way. I feel like I understand me and I can go back and be more of me of my remembrance. I mean, she went on and on, she goes, it's not like I have to go change anybody's mind, or I said, well, I hope not, or you try to change my, I said, no, I'm not going to change your mind. Yeah, kind of deal. Yeah, no, I don't think you went off in any way, shape or form.
Julia Carmen (00:53:42):
That's what I was trying to share. I know we're using the word healer. I just want to let you folks know that is a very healer can be. It's actually another word for seer and another word for ra, those words that we use. Words or words or words. So yeah, there's no set rules. That's the old basically set from my understanding from what I saw folks do is that we were talking about that, about hula and where he was taught you had to stay within these certain, you couldn't go out of the box if you went out of the box bad. And that's not just hula, that's just, yeah. And then he's kind of started moving things around, but still keeps that basic, basic, basic. But it's moving around. I said, so you are bringing the new into the old? He goes, yeah. And I said, oh yeah, and you respect your elders because they gave up a lot. The dirt, the soil is that, so the soil is the soil so that something's planted there when it grows and it becomes whatever it becomes, and it's so individual. So I want to shift gears a little bit. You mentioned woke and it's a whole new subject, but it kind of not. Yeah.
Julia Carmen (00:55:10):
And you said something to me one day and you said, because we were talking about something like this, and you said, yeah, out there is kind of like the woke Olympics. And I went, what the hell is woke Olympics? Do you mind sharing? There's this whole thing about being woke is a bad thing. I'm like, oh my gosh. Because actually in the chapter eight of the indigenous wisdom, the indigenous, I'm sorry, the indigenous soul book. Yeah. So do you mind you want to talk about that a little bit?
Juliana Guerrero (00:55:46):
Sure. I was thinking about this too as we are moving towards this podcast together, but yeah, if I were to describe the woke Olympics, and thinking back to when I did say it, it's just in terms of the way the world has been going and the way a lot of people are navigating through this election, this presidential election, and then also just the outside things that are happening alongside that the state of the world, a lot of or many people are trying to figure out what they can do to kind of move through what's happening. I feel it was, so if you break down the thinking, so the woke is being in the knowing of everything. So having that understanding of what's happening and being educated. So that's in the simplest terms I can describe being woke. And then the Olympics, right? Olympics is saying the best of the best fighting and competing for the top spots, the top three spots.
Juliana Guerrero (00:56:55):
So to me, it feels like all these groups of people of having all this knowledge and understanding going against each other in a sense of Olympics to see who's the best, who's the one to lead us for this movement. And it just felt like a competition of some sort of who is more awake than the other. And that in a sense, I think is creating that fighting and that pushback against one another. In the time that I really started, I think I started saying that was when we didn't need that. We didn't need that fighting amongst ourselves. We needed to be more understanding and having compassion for each other, that love that we always talk about in these math classes and our space retreats. And that's where I felt I couldn't be in social media in a space that I took a break for some time since a little bit before the election because I just was navigating a lot of my own personal feelings and life.
Juliana Guerrero (00:58:01):
And people were constantly posting and sharing things of just, oh, I'm doing this, I'm doing that. So if you're not doing these things, then you're not on the right side, or if you aren't sharing this or talking to me about this, then don't be my friend. And it was a lot of just bitter feelings. And then even in just other ways of just if someone's even having moments to themselves of like, oh, I'm going to the beach, taking that time to rest. Everyone's like, well, what are you doing resting? You need to be angry. You need to be in this fight. And it's like to say it was just a lot of sphere fire or this ball of fire and energy that I just hadn't seen. And sometimes, so it was really hard to kind of be in certain spaces with people or even just people that I really do love and care about and be okay, have that balance and have that understanding of my own walking both worlds.
Juliana Guerrero (00:59:06):
I felt like I couldn't walk both worlds because I was still heavily impacted by other people's headspace, other people's human experiences that I couldn't fully walk in those worlds. And I just was thinking about how I felt so unbalanced really for some time. And it's just kind of hard to, I took myself out of the game. I took myself out of that Olympics like, I don't want to be part of this charade that you're having here. I don't want to be part of this game. It's this competition and I need to do my own healing and I need to find who I am. And here we are in May 20, 25 of talking about this month of mothers and having this wisdom of our mothers. I feel so much better in terms of where I first left that conversation, left that space, and maybe I go back to it, I don't know, but it's knowing that this is a navigation, this is the walk always of moving through both worlds in both spaces, and I think that is going to always be far more woke than fully being in the human experience and never understanding the other side of being at the non-physical rate, being a seer, being in the moment, having that unconditional love and trust for yourself.
Juliana Guerrero (01:00:34):
Those are things that you always need, and I think often get left out of the conversation of being a woke person in the nowadays society of what people are going through right now in this time in space.
Julia Carmen (01:00:51):
Wow, that is beautiful. I could not have said that any better. I was like, you go girl. I mean, I said, and she, okay, are you okay? Wow, you flying, girl, you flying. This is what it feels like flying. Damn.
Juliana Guerrero (01:01:16):
Yeah, that's exactly the feeling right now. It's like floating. No,
Julia Carmen (01:01:24):
I said, you fly. No, because wow, we kind of talked about it in the past. I said, I don't understand the woke Olympics. And then you just shared. Yeah, it really does come back to that which is unconditional love for self, unconditional trust in self unconditional trust in self. Both of those are within self. If one does not have, then how can I give you anything? Another human being not then. Yeah. So I hear so many people in the past, they say, oh, you want me to love them? You want me to have compassion for them? I said, no, not really. What do you mean Julia? Not really. I said, oh, don't worry about everybody else. I go, what do you mean? I said, just hang with you, just what you just said, Juliana, just hang with self.
Julia Carmen (01:02:24):
Maybe getting off all the social media. It helps. Most of the persons in the school without walls don't do social media. They totally non-existent. They just don't even get on there. Yeah. I have to make sure we have our own platform in the school without walls so people can go on and talk story and do a little cafecito and cheese min stuff, but no. Yeah, and I could see the difference in the folks that are on and it's just what you just shared. A lot of people looking for something and following someone thinking that's something when we've heard it so many times that it's all within. And it sounds like words out just kind of floating around. What do they mean because we're humans and we want to be led. Most humans do. I don't scribe to that at all, never have, but there's like, maybe this will make me happy. Maybe that'll make me happy. Kind of deal. But it's not that. It's not that or this person or that person or this house. I like nice things, don't get me wrong. But all that is within is all that is within, and that's how walking both worlds as fully awake as we can. I really want to commend you, Juliana, for actually sharing that piece that it is difficult being a human and it is difficult being in the non-physical realm and not being able vice versa, and how you were able to maneuver yourself way back home to yourself.
Juliana Guerrero (01:04:26):
Yeah, thank you. It's not easy. And you've always told me that it's not an easy thing when you're really forever because you tell me that with you being 72, 27, flip it back and forth. We are the same in some ways, but it's, it's always something. We have to continue to remember that remembrance. And there's times we do get pulled into that human thinking and that human space, and that's where we are. And then that's where we fall. But then it's also what we just talked about with the wounded healers. You can also just be in that nonphysical healing space, but then your body's like, I'm done. And that's like, there's always that balancing the walking of two worlds, and that's who we are, and that's what we do. Yeah.
Julia Carmen (01:05:31):
Yeah. No, yeah, I agree with you. Totally. I mean, not just listening to you. And it's a blessing. As you know, we have a big family and it's coming on. My sister Rachel, who passed not too long ago last year, her birthday's the 25th of this month in May, and her daughter passed away in 2020. And here I am. And they knew who I be. Okay. They totally knew who I'd be, and they would, my niece Alicia, and I get to visit and talk with them in the nonphysical realm. And when they were walking this planet of self, Alicia would ask me questions and this and that, and then something happened to her and it was difficult for her to heal from that. And then she left. And then my sister, it was difficult for her to be in this world without her baby girl. And I felt so helpless, or I know these worlds, and there was a moment, not long, but there was a moment like, wow, I couldn't help them. I tried, why, what? And then my guide said, Julia, free will. And I go, oh yeah, choice. And I'm not saying they chose to do that, which they did. I'm just saying that we have choice to be fully here or be with our pain, and there's nothing wrong with being in our pain. It really isn't.
Julia Carmen (01:07:21):
And there's nothing we can do if people want their path, it's their path. It's their sacred path. And it's not easy for the rest of us to watch that. Yeah. It's not like I didn't share things with my sister about the different world, the two worlds. And it's just like, okay, so when you say that you are, okay, I'm understanding this and I'm going to understand it more and more as time goes on, sometimes I need a break from the human realm and understanding that the brain is amazing and throws off fear and it says, oh, I'm afraid, or whatever. And then in that fear, we have to recognize that fear is love in disguise. That's something that Mavis said, fear is love in disguise is just trying to share with us to be quiet, be still, and you did that, Juliana. Sometimes we have to do that every single day so that we can hear ourselves, to hear our soul self, our indigenous soul of being. That gives us the answers. And it could be as simple or as difficult to get off social media, or it could be as wonderful as go take a walk, or it could be even more wonderful. I need Gigi time.
Julia Carmen (01:08:55):
Am I trying to get you over here? But Julian is in another part of the Bay Area. I'm in Pacifica. Well, Juliana, we're going to wrap up here. So I think we did good. So is there anything you would like to share more? We're open for as long as you want, but if you want to share something else. I'm good. We're good?
Juliana Guerrero (01:09:24):
Yeah. The last thing I was thinking of, because you asked me this question when opening up this space of just who am I? I was answering that, who do I want to be? And as I'm thinking about who I want to be, I didn't folding grasp that conversation, but what am my goals as an apprentice and as a young healer, a young seer, and to me to right now, I feel I'm trying to find my path, find myself, go back to myself, and I feel I'm mostly there. I'm almost there. And then move into my space of just helping people see themselves and to see the light within themselves, what you talk about, and to have these really young folks connect with that and really understand what that feeling can be and such a loving and compassionate and healthy way. And I feel I already kind of do that with my work as a high school teacher, but to move that into my future, into my life and to bring that out of the ether's or out of just my mind and the wisdom of my tribe, but just to kind of know that that's what I've always seen as my past.
Juliana Guerrero (01:10:53):
To teach the new generation and to continue to show them what it means to do it in such a loving and healthy way. To be balanced and to be myself is what you tell me, is that it's going to show them that this is what it means to be loving and to be balanced in this human experience and listening to that. So self being,
Julia Carmen (01:11:19):
Wow. I know. Thank you for sharing that. Yeah. That is now in the future. Yeah. Yeah. It's now in the future, not the past. It's definitely bringing the old into the new and the new into the old and in ways that are respectful and kind to everyone so that people do understand they have choice, right? Yeah. They have choice to see themselves or not. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Well thank you so much for being on the show, Juliana. This is cool. I was thinking we need to do this more often. I'm serious.
Juliana Guerrero (01:12:15):
I agree. I think we should definitely talk about the book, about the Dragon Play cards or anything of conversation that people would be willing to listen to. We, I'm willing to have that conversation here with you.
Julia Carmen (01:12:31):
Thank Juliana for being on the podcast, the Indigenous Wisdom. And you know what folks, the indigenous wisdom means exactly that. It's not my wisdom or anybody else's, but this planet is an indigenous wisdom place. And if we are from here, it is wisdom within. So thank you so much for being on the podcast and we'll talk story. Have again. Bye. Amen.
Julia Carmen (01:13:04):
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