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around the world. Everyone should listen to in the AF. Can you say that in Brazilian Portuguese? I mean, you just did I love you audio loving folk and welcome to another glorious episode of in daf with me. Sarah golden, hello. I think this next guest on my I'm so excited needs a drumroll of awesome. So come on Pat those thighs and build for this man. That voiced gorgeous characters in the white V spine secrets and killed her for starters who
produces and creates a contador. Their history has Audio Drama podcast in Portuguese. Brazilian alongside many other podcast and leads to big and idea our quality assurance in brasilia's is the Uber talented, very exciting. Creative Danilo Baptist. Tilly alone. Thank you for help. I am to know, it's taken a few bits of logistics to finally get us together to chat. But I am, but we got excited. So yeah. So you work out of São. Paulo is that correct?
And in Brazil? Yeah I'm the state of São. Paulo, If your geographically accurate I am from Santo Andre. Okay, amazing. We should all go there on holiday podcasters. Let's go suddenly Yeah, you've been creating for queer a while, right? So so tell us please. What is happening for audio fiction? In Brazil, has there are big scene. What else? Could folks, enjoy and get stuck into as well as searching out your works? It's a grown thin actually.
I've been listening to audio, dramas here in Brazil, since it was almost nothing, it was almost exclusively. There is one big as the biggest podcast in Brazil. It's called Magic cast. They're guests and they produce it. A few audio. Dramas like from companies they have like, one from Halo. It was a partnership with Microsoft, could even, they had like a few stuff like that, but it was only on that podcast. People didn't produce other Audio Drama fall in fiction
podcasts at all. So when I started producing my own podcast, the scene was really almost nothing here. There was only your Pioneer. Yeah, on the resin. You seem almost I believe I believe. It's so we had some storytelling podcast like it would be something closer to lure podcast like only one narrator telling a story about something that actually happened or didn't happen. Majorly. What something that happened? Some storico thing, but there
was an audio fiction. So there was something growing when I started. I mean When I started producing, I got in touch with another with more podcast producers in Brazil, there was a growing seen on mainly on tabletop role-playing game podcasts like actual play podcasts and suddenly there were I don't know what happened actually but there was a boom Brazilian podcasting and there was a lot of audio fiction that started to just simply born those out of
nowhere. They were starting to like a lot of like When I listen to audio dramas for from USA from Europe, I mean, there was a lot of audio fictions. You have like BBC you have like inaudible you have major companies, but there were, there's also a lot of Indie podcast. They're produced not a fiction. And this is has started here in Brazil.
I mean, like maybe five years four years ago, there was some minor podcast starting to Do something on their own and today we have like an audio fictions seen here. It's not as much as from USA or Europe but we have like a lot of different shows, different people producing different stuff like comedy, True Crime, some of the applications from role-playing games to audio fiction.
So today we have a scene and I'm I really enjoyed this because like when I started producing my own stuff, I didn't have much to know. Like, where is where is Brazil in audio fiction? What do we have here? As Indie podcasts? But it exploded. Yeah, brilliant. And I'm sure you're a part of that right, explosion. And as much as I'm certain that people handed out your work and thought this is great. I want to do it right. So look at where you've helped
create right, it's right. Because of beautiful storytelling. It's wonderful. I mean, I had some Look like when I started producing my podcast. Like, I mean, I've I've participated in other people spot, guess they like wanted to know how did I create coated or giusto areas and stuff like that? And I mean, one thing that really stood at me like something one, other one other podcaster told me. It's like I'm I wasn't the podcaster when I started producing my own podcast.
I mean, I have a graduation in musical production. I've always worked with post-production Studio. Bill's music studios voice acting Studios. So, I really had the know-how on how to produce something on like, how to do sounds. I know how to do Foley, how to mix. So, when I started producing podcasts, I had this whole background behind me so I could do something like that. And in my opinion like it, it
had quality already. It's it's not like someone who's discovering how to record audio like when I start my pot because I was already A professional in this audio seen. So. And but one thing that I didn't was like a professional, he was starting my boss because I didn't know how to podcast like my first episode. I've uploaded a wave. Like it was 1.2 gigabytes that my first step is then I didn't know I thought. Well but Chasers would likely choose to automatically convert
them 23 or something. I had no idea you had. Yeah, so I mean I had audio knowledge but I didn't know Podcasting knowledge. I I was starting to do audio dramas. I was starting my own writings and stuff. So so I was part of this community. I didn't come like from the top, oh no one can talk to me because I'm professional.
I mean like I was talking to everybody so I feel like I helped with people who doesn't have this knowledge didn't have this knowledge to I mean oh you can't do your own Sunshine from home. You can do that. You did I mean you don't need professional equipment professional studio, you can start like with not most expensive microphone in the world, you can use freesound.org to look for soundscapes and sound effects and some people
and stuff like that. I love free sound to everybody who puts their their sound effects on their if you're one of those Take a Bow, you're amazing. There you go. I hope you take the bow. And that's what's exciting. Isn't it? And how did you, like, build your podcast, knowledge with their places that you went to to find things? Or was it your true trial and error as to what happened? Next? As, for my podcast, there was
always some trial and error. I'm, I mean, since I've already worked with audio with post-production with sunshine and stuff, I had an idea, unlike and I also I've listened to a lot of podcasts. Guests. I listen to a lot of great stuff from like never wear from BBC Radio, four, starters from BBC Radio 4. I had like good audio dramas that I had in my mind. Okay, that's how a good other drama sounds. So I need you to do something that would sound like that.
So I had something like I want you get here. So let's build this. Let's build this up. I've listened a lot, you Audio Drama, production podcast that It really, really helped me. Yeah. Because you know, it's like it's how I got in touch with at first with other podcast Audio Drama producers yeah. Like because like I said, when I started producing my there wasn't another, that wasn't other auditor on producers here in Brazil that I could get in touch that, I could speak on.
Oh, hey. Let's let's chat let's like understand how everyone do their own thing. So I didn't have that much. I was doing Doing what I was doing, basically. Like, okay, I think this is correct. So I'm doing this and some of this podcast in English. Like I said, I'll do reproduction podcast some other in the podcast that I started listening back then and I start to talking with people like Rhea
from guerlain space pod cast. So there's like there we have for a while we had I mean I was in a Audio Drama Network that doesn't exist anymore today. It was Faith Crafters. Yes. Guess that so Satan, right in the tea. Yeah, so he was one of the first people that I actually talked when I was starting producing my own stuff, when I was starting to listening to other stuffs, and it really helped me to get to know how was the scene out outside. They're so, like, you guys
started from somewhere. So, let me, let me try. To figure it out. How did you start it? What is happening out there? So it can happen here also? Yeah, no I love that and that's it. There were some key figures went. They like Paul and I was very sad that Paul fell out of love with audio fiction have to say. I think now he's writing like it seems a book, every two and a half weeks. So he's putting his creative energy into book writing which
you should check him out. But yeah, there's some wonderful Productions and yes he was very keen to help nurture the audio fiction kind of community. At that time. And, and I think I did interview him about creating fake Crafters actually, on the Audio Drama, production podcast, previous to me being on there with Fiona thrill, Matthew, McClain, and Robert Cub more started. If you haven't heard of it, oh
my, please go and check it out. There are some amazing brilliantly useful episodes that still a relevant today. I really do feel so yeah, check it out. I'll put links on there in the show notes, but that sounds a really exciting kind of origin story and I think as well, you know, you coming. From music. For me, some of the best sound designers are those who are musicians to write, it must be something about.
I don't know, your sense of timing and Rhythm and putting things melodically together, I'm not sure, but some of the people I adore workwise, you know, that they are the best of that.
I mean, how would you say that your musical background has really helped you come into your full with this podcasting, what elements of it you thinking most useful I believe like everything you said like him Raiden as in harmonies and like you have some meals acknowledge, you have like an already, you're trained like your, your Resort you had like, at least, you know, what, to listen to you. You know what, when you're, when something doesn't sound right, you have an idea on.
Why isn't it son, right? And like, from not only as a music, but as a musical production background that I have, like, I already had some Um, I studied in college like oh how to use, accuse compressors, how to mix, how to use reverbs, how the compressors work and stuff like that, and that really helped me. Like I didn't use a lot of data only for sound when I started working with audio. Like I said, I started working at a music studio.
So, I, it was mainly for vocals, drums instruments and stuff. Like, but you practice like what not? Only to listen. But but what are you listening? What are you hearing in? Its some frequencies are like okay, so maybe I should turn this down. Maybe you should try something to blend in all together and right, I think that's what really helped me. It's like really to know that the audio is like an audio dramas like a junctional is a mix of everything.
Like there's voice their sounds and there's music. There's a lot of stuff going on there and for music you You can think of that like, every instrument, every person in the band that it's like an individual voice. So there's like different instruments. They all have to blend in to get together. They all have to work together. It's like supposed to work in harmony, they're not competing one against each other.
So I believe that's what that's what really helped me, I believe so when I started to get the music thing into Audio Drama, thank you. And I love that. And so what in Matt, would you be as a voice actor in that mix? Would you say I reckon I'd be a flute flute or a piccolo e or maybe a clarinet. Maybe a bit deeper a little bit older. I've started them when I started
studying music. I started with guitar but I've sh every person that knows me. I'd like from my background in music knows that I was downsizing my problems on like, oh guitar, you have like, you need a An amp you have pedals, you have a lot of things that, you know, I don't want that. So I've started going to base, you'll get a base, get an amp. The the amp is too big, it's like. Okay. So today I play a lot of flutes. I have like a Louis. So I have a shakuhachi, I have a
disease, like a Chinese flute. I have a lot of flute, should they? Because it's simpler like I just need things for meant. Yeah, I love that. Anyone who needs a soundtrack with any of those instruments, you know, where to go now. Yeah, thatthat sounds amazing and Brilliant. And I think I'm so excited to hear that, you know, it is a thriving community and I don't know, we haven't yet connected and I wonder whether that's a
language thing, right? Because a lot of the podcast are probably in your native language right there. Aren't any English ones or their or German or Chinese? I don't know. Other other languages are there or are there? I don't know. Is it, is it all in in Brazilian Portuguese?
Yeah, I'm in hybrid, I have. Have some in English that I produce it because like, I I made a lot of friends on the audio community on the audio, audio fiction community and I've always felt like this burry this barrier, like I produced things I have sent to them. Hey, I listen to this and they like, I don't understand. I don't understand a word but it
sounds amazing. Now, I can't like teach everyone watching is so I was like Dang, have from time to time if I try to produce something in English, even if it's just me, like, I'm, I'm doing all the voices. So I like, I just want you to share like some of my creative to within a language that. Yeah, my friends from outside, Brazil can understand what I'm producing. Sure. Yes. Really.
But I also think like, but I also think like it's important to also focus on the native podcast like an in Brazilian Portuguese. Rodriguez because like, tribute a scene here. Like it's, I really think like we had, we in every language must have like some good examples. You have like to focus on your native language on to produce things. So, I try to do something in English, like, just for fun.
I've never tried to really, oh, I'm trying to produce a podcast in English, so I can make some money with it. So, I can be famous. We love, I mean, I mainly produce stuff in English so I can For these people that I know that speaking English, that are my friends that, like know, at least what I that I do. Audio fiction can see, hey, here's what I can do and this, you understand in this language.
Yeah. I mean I must say I have had a listen to a couple of episodes that have been on your website. And and I don't understand a word of it like in language, but their richness of your sound design and, you know, they're the emotions obviously of the characters and was conveyed, you
know, you can Get a sense. I mean, I did the same with, you know, a gentle podcasts have done in the past, a mix of one part, half of the podcast is in English and then it's the same thing in Italian or the Italian first and then the English economy. But yeah, I really love that because that gave me a chance to.
I could listen and understand what was going on either first or after, you know, sometimes I listen to the other language first and then try and soak in and guess, because I have a vague kind of, understanding of some European She's right. Yeah. And then just listening to the English and the oh that's what that meant. So I love that. I love listening to things in language and I think, you know, you've been on the white.
Well to right, which is a developed in some other beautiful languages coming into that. And I I think other people should embrace more different languages into their podcast because as you say, they're probably a rich seen in all of those different countries that you could draw into to sharing these wonderful audio fiction world. But yes sir. You're going to say something glorious, not just your finger, actually that I mean, white V. Sure deserves its recognition.
I mean, it's it's really awesome. The first time I've listened to you then and I was like, wait, they are speaking Chinese. And there's like okay so now she's speaking in English. What should just pick a spoke in Chinese so and they're like Modi cast from many parts of the world and like when when Travis like got in touch with me to get you liked your voice sector character in season. Real was like really awesome. They are astounding those two.
Yeah, whatever they do will in Scala Productions, check them out. I'm sure you've heard of them. If you listen to any audience and one other thing that I like to comment about like when you said like you don't understand a word but you kind of understand what is happening.
I I wanted to make something like there is one episode from my podcast is a Any serious that I've done it ended last year, it called, some prosecco in English would be Galway Shadow, it's a Call of Cthulhu Adventure that I've played with, with my friends on tabletop RPG and that I've adapted to all your drama and one of the characters from the game he was Ukrainian and I will start to do. I've started doing prologues for each character's to before the main story and thus this
Character story started with how he was born. Like, he was born in the Ukraine. His mother died when she was given birth to him. And I've decided to I'm going to record in Ukrainian this first part like and and so, like there's is all yo, there's no subtitling, there's no nothing but like you get like the beeping machines from Haas like to do you get the nurse likes?
You the doctors, you the doc. You don't understand like what you think you can get from the Ocean that like okay, so it's something urgent something's happening and then you got a flat line like to, you got a baby crying, you got a doctor saying something like in low voice so you get like, okay, the modern died like that, something like this happens, you make don't know the words, you may download the language.
But when you get all this stuff together and get sound design, you get the voice, you get the with the soundtrack. So, okay, you got you. Contest, you can build on your on your mind. What's happening? Even if you don't know the language. Yeah I absolutely love that and I have to say as well we stand with you Ukraine, I cannot believe the world is a crazy as it is. So yeah.
Hello to any Ukrainian listeners, I hope you're doing well in spite of the crazy but yeah, no that is immense and I think that's why I love audio so much right. Is it does have those kind of raised barriers that you can suddenly think I'm immersed in this lie? I know what's happening and I know you're beautiful like this connection. You listen to yourself in a new, it goes straight into your mind. Like not like visual went where you see what's happening like in audio you, you build that.
So it's like a creative process like you're part of that process. Yes. It's not like it's it's giving you on the screen like the audios give you enough so you can build a rest like however you want. Yeah, I totally agree and I mean that sort of was my next question is Do you think Audio Drama is, how do you define it? And I think you've kind of done that and will surely you're reading ahead for my Christmas.
But yeah, I mean are there any shows that you really enjoyed and or made yourself that you really think use the form brilliantly? That people should definitely Listen to. I think my my favorite like one of my favorites, at least and I got lucky that it was one of the first that I listened to his addiction 0f is Yeah, it's currently on its sixth season. Yeah, I mean, it's awesome.
It's when I first listened to the is it like it had it all like the sound design, the soundscape, the voices, the, the story and every it connected to me deeply. I mean, it's it's awesome. I love, I love ya. Europe is I agree. Jack Kincaid is a genius and immerses himself in his work. He should check, watch actors. What is a filmic kind of mind, right? And when people say movie for your mind or Cinema for your mind, or theater for your mind? Jack Kincaid is a definition of
that. With these things are great. Honestly, it's your mind to enjoy all immersive. Yeah, and anyone else you'd pick out as being Groove? There's one that I really enjoyed. I'm really sad. Like they're they never released the, the, the sequel. But like there's front. It's from Coach Studios. It's called ancestry book. One if they made like it's two hours long but it's a fantasy
world. I mean it's so reach it had, it has original music, it had great voice acting, it had, I'm not sure where the voice actors were from but there were some every different accents there, like I was in that one. Yeah. That's okay. You don't have to but no I enjoyed that very much in Dane. Dane Russell Leonard 7 is the genius behind that whole so did something called the full which I was dreaming, crumbly and a few others and how we had the best fun.
And we always saying tit today, like finish it. Look at me, it sounds amazing. But now Danes working with a good few other people on some amazing shows. Gosh, of course what's he doing right now because working with one scholar, isn't it? Or I guess. Yes it is. Your right is fallens color and also been working with them Austin Beach and the terms are on and Steve Schneider on onward, tastic and some original music as well for all sorts of people.
So Dana's Astound, I think like your good self, right? He's an all-around, he's got this beautiful musicianship at the heart of the things he does. But but yeah, I mean, for that was his first ever thing was the fall. And I think I'm stressed do a second. And he said sound designers Well, he did sound design and music for darksend, which was from them broken. Bird Productions, which I think sounded great was like a
neo-punk. I didn't who is just astounding, they're exciting and what he was doing in that. So yeah, I love those examples and they're quite a massive, aren't they? There's you are young the middle of that action and it's only through sound. I think it's beautiful. There's one other podcasts out of fiction. That was one of the first that I've listened to it. It at least this. Once complete, like it had a beginning and an end and I really love just like, it's about time.
That's Matthew and Robert having fun again. Do you know what? I've seen that? I mean that was done what seven years ago and it's like number two, in some countries, still people are still finding it and listening to. What did you like about that one? What was it that Drew you to? It's about time. I felt like this, the whole plot of it like a time travel agency car. It's like that sounded awesome like it didn't have like much
sound design. It's quite as the, an audio perspective, it was quite simple but like the characters they are funny, the stories are funny and the premise like okay so they work in a travel agency and there's like traveling through time okay so there's something there. Yeah yeah I love the characters. The The the theme song was also
really catchy. I mean, I'm frustrated that that Matthew McClain is had to do a paid job fiction because I think everything like to use touched his turn to groovy go, there you capitalism. Yeah. You having to make money to live, you know, I mean saying that? Well we're talking on that. I mean, how do you fund your Is the like Grant systems and arts council's kind of thing or has it gone through patreon and crowdfunding kind of thing fixed I started I had I had no Patron,
no nothing. I've had like a it's a patron, like here in Brazil, it's called padding. It was the first one I had when I had some help from the community and there were like, okay, that's really cool. But then I had I was changing jobs. So I was leaving the studio. I was was currently working on and because of that job changing, I would have to, I would have to change my production. So I canceled that Patron thing. So I started doing some stuff. More, some simple Productions like that.
I could keep up from home. And then because just a quick note, like when I started doing my own podcast, I worked at a voice acting studio here in Brazil. And I was a post-production mixer their hand. So I had a lot of luck that I was like, yeah, I was able to record my shows with like, professional voice actors here in Brazil. So that's good. Lot of luck. Yeah. Yeah. And I was like, I never wanted my podcast to be like my income. I didn't want you to leave on my
iPod. So I podcast was always like free. Like a, you know, I never had like Paid stuff advertising or nothing like, I'm because I didn't want this podcast to become another job. So I was like, no, I want to keep money away from me. It's mainly when I started paddling was like 20 so I can I can pay for, I can get music, I can get a sound effects but better sound effects for Bigger Productions, like pain everyone. At least like what they should be paying them.
Even though they were like doing as a sort of friendships of like The voice actors were like no can I can you record it for me? Okay. Thank you like that since I wasn't making money with it. I was like, oh that's okay like that. I explained to everyone like this is a personal project is my podcast is. My story is, I just want you to do that. Like do you want to record a voice for that?
Yeah, so I had a lot of luck in that and also I was starting like I said earlier, I didn't have the know-how one podcasting. No, no other fiction nowadays like I really I mean I still have the same thing in mind when I produce my own stuff. It's, I want to keep it away from. I'm not I don't want it to be like a job or anything. I want to be something personal, but I also get like, I want to do some. I have I want to do some professional work.
I had once you do some professional and with quality in mind, so nowadays, they have like this, okay? I want you. Pay everyone. What's there? What's their share? Even though it's for a personal project, like I think the nowadays, my podcast is like I'm on that. I'm on that, I forgot the word in English actually put on my knees. Anyway, I'm I had little a long way here and I think like I'm not I'm no longer a starting
producer. So I know what things cause I know what thing, what people are Rog, right? Like their time is also available as I'm so there should be paid and like so when I started producing I use it like non-free music. I because I didn't know their
their range like how to do this. Like so I knew I was using and here in Brazil we had like we have this coach or like there's not it's a bit satellite actually, from mice perspective, from an audio professional perspective, but broadcasting in Brazil, they never really showed Shown like, oh, we have to pay for music. We have to pay for stuff like given big bigger podcast. Like they always use like video game music as a back sound backtrack.
So people here in Brazil, they tended to, okay, so if the if bigger podcast are doing it. So why can't I do it? Mmm, it has like this, we started wrong in this from this side. After my first year with the podcast I've decided, okay, I don't want to use things that like video game, music, movies music. I want you like, if I'm going to use Music kids either free or I paid for it and stuff like that. So, I've changed my mentality producing my podcast and for other audio Fiction podcast for
other podcasts in general. Like today there's more, there's more Awareness on like you shouldn't be using Music from movies, or video games or stuff. Like it's you don't have the right to use it. Okay? You shouldn't use them nowadays. There's more Awareness on this. I know a lot of audio dramas podcast here in Brazil, now that they use free sound, they use free music like free meals. I forgot it for free music archive because so they're.
So, there's more awareness, should they like if you wanted to Even though, like today you have Spotify, you have a lot of other players and they have like, oh you're using this music. You do not have a right to you. So we're taking down this app, so we're taking down this podcast. So that also helped bring this awareness. Like you want your show to be on the air. So, either you use Music, you have license for or either you baby and here, we have a Kaji.
It's an institution that like your, if you pay a Kaji supposedly, they are paying the Artist. And that will, that's, that will give you the right to use the music on your show. So you have to pay the the right for it for this organization, this organization, when you're using music, from other bands or artists and not like music from art least epidemic, sounds or stuff like that, right? And also, you know, there are plethora of hugely talented, musicians out there. Right?
And if you use sites, Like the Audio Drama Hub on Facebook, to say, I'm looking for someone to compose this. This is my budget. Is anybody able to do it for that then? Yeah. I think that's a could be the start of something beautiful relationships right. But yeah, that's like good to know other people to get in touch and then maybe an old. I loved working with, you can, can we work another time together? Yes. Yes. Yes. It's all about the relationships. Isn't it? So, yes, I love love.
Love to hear some of your Works, as I'm sure the listeners were to write. So we jump in and have a listen to some gorgeous clips of your show. So we start with some DS, digitize, this bust us. I'm so sorry if I'm saying it to her. No problem. This one, this one's a long title. But yeah. So why have you chosen this to share today and what can people expect? This is my latest bi-sexual, this the most recent work I have done actually just digitized. Sighs in English would be a digital days.
It's my cyberpunk show so I had the first season food for season then I recorded the first see the first episode of the second season and then it hit the time that I had to change jobs so I did I had a crowd funding to do the second episode that was like four years ago, it didn't go well. So and then it got. So the project was a bit like Well someday but I'm really anxious for him but it will happen. You more of. It will have no no. But I really want to tell the
story. So this year, I said, so guys, I'm doing it back. I'm doing it. Okay, so I've opened another crowdfunding and this time it worked. So this episode is really isn't and this is the trailer for The for this second episode. And I mean, it's, it's, I really enjoyed it. It has really like a trailer look alike on the Soundtrack on the on the phrases on the voice actors but it's something that I'm really proud of on Howie turn. I've had the feeling it really captures.
I think this the cyberpunk essence of the show and it's it's okay, raise your hands if you're excited to listen. Yes, story is in here in Brazil. Just digitized his pasta Services Congress. And it's made there in Brazil. Let's listen to this glorious. Taylor are you ready? Sitting comfortably enjoy. Because intervene crying my eyes out this is a pillow - model Melissa is fondling job will fall out of med card or Senator abbate pray.
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that signposting how it feels. You can kind of tell who the villains might be a little Heroes, this just sounding are pictures from the trailer, so very cool indeed and I'm so glad that you're, you know, you've got that funding to be able to tell that story obviously it needs. Stupid child. I mean, I was like, in love with the store like, for years years and I was like, no, I need you, I need you. So, I'm going to do this again.
Okay, everyone. So this time, let's make it work and I'm glad it. I'm glad it worked. Yeah, well, me too, for your, you know, passion for telling you to, It's Just So Glorious. So yeah. Obviously, if that's what to do your whistle, as they say over here, then jump in and find it. Brilliant and this I've listened to some more because so exciting. So so the Divine Divine poles. That's an English. Actually. Trying hard? Yes. Tell us about Divine poles.
Divine father was my first English production, like that, that I guess I said like I want you to do something that my English speaking friends can. First and so I had this idea for a BBC contests but I didn't finish the script on time for the contest was where I really enjoyed it. The idea it's like the what if you wake up someday and find out Divinity is your best friend. That's what happens. You Carol. So it's a short story. It's like there's this girl Carol.
She has a dog called Milo and one day she wakes up and her dogs is speaking and the The plot is like, why is she speaking? So this was my first production. I got a I got really lucky. Also on the voice actors. That that help me out here. It's Madagascar and Greg McAfee and him Cleveland's that the are the voices on this show. Some it's like glorious names their. Yes, thank you. That's naughty nice.
I got really lucky like it. I put up the auditions and I got like some great voices and they really feeding the character like I Didn't like I had in mind and the clip I sent you is the first two minutes of the this episode. Let's have a listen folks. You ready for more excitement? Here we go. Hey wake up already, five more minutes. Come on, I'm hungry human. Wait. I was talking to me. Oh, holy crap. Good morning sleepyhead.
What that Milo is that you? Well, who else could it be you live all by yourself your mom's out of town. You have no boyfriend. So yeah, it's me, but you're talking, I mean, how how, you're a dog? Okay, good and dogs. Don't speak like I find that hard to believe. Walk with me, human. What just happened? Divine boss. I must be dreaming. I just need some coffee and I could use a snack, right? You're still talking. Hey, watch it. You could have hit me.
Sorry, I just I can't. This must be a dream. I must be dreaming, maybe if I pinch myself, don't do this. I told you what, how? Why are you speaking? Who are you, what? Okay, Carol sit, But said My Pal. Okay, good girl, very good. Grab a cookie. Thanks. Hey, now if you don't mind, I've spent the whole night without anything to eat. Oh geez. I'm sorry buddy. I'm so sorry.
Since this was the third time, this happened, I've decided to talk to you, talk to me, just sounds the most glorious fun, right? I mean, I love that story and they were so perfect for the characters. Yes. And yes. Oh, I haven't had that one. So, I definitely want to dip in, as I'm just nod your head if you're listening and you wanted Yes, like to nothing going on. I love that. And I think that the pure innocence of it to, right? So that that demographic can be quite wide-ranging.
I'd imagine. Or is it getting a bit more risqué later? On is a more simple story but it's like, it's also it's fun. So it's like it's relatable. I think, like not like we heard our dog speaking, but I quit many people have pads unlike many People have all maybe a wondered, like what, how would you speak if you could, what's on your mind? So did I love this story? I sent you, the link for the full episode on this chord. So thank you because I love that.
I think giving voices to things that otherwise don't have them glorious. So what was it? Not? It makes it makes a sound. Was that? One way, all the things talked, I think. But yeah, there's some and the lovely piece on 11th hour from Casey Wayland as well, when things were talking inanimate objects, but I love that. So, yeah. No great. Great concept. And and so we've seen your very first and your most recent piece. So, so folks, if that hasn't wet your whistle, I don't know what
will. But yeah, I mean and the depth of sound you had in there, right? I mean, how do you approach sound design? Can you talk us through? Kind of a Typical edit session and what happened in, what order and how and where things started together. I know it's hard in audio to describe the process but yeah, sure. Give to people as to how you work would be awesome. Yeah. I mean, as far audio fiction, it's one of the approaches that I had.
Like when I start, when I started doing audio work for audio-visual for movie for TV, like I did a lot of soundscape When I was starting. So I feel like a reach soundscape. It's it's half the job on like help on the immersion side. I'm like you to put the listener right there on that scene. It's more than just the more direct sound effects as like footsteps, clothing, etc, etc. You have like this soundscape like wind air conditioner refrigerator noises on the a background.
Like these are the things that you can relate you on a daily basis. Like if you're making an audio drama, that's two people walking on the street. Like, okay. When I walk in the street, what do I listen to you? Like not only the footsteps, not long, the character flipping, his phone or something, but like car noises horns, people, screaming, construction sites. So when I Start Butte in an audio drama. This on my sound design sessions. I always start with the soundscape for the scenes.
So is this scene in interior? Indoor, it's inside a house. So I try to picture in my my head. Like what is, what does this house look like? So if I'm going to put, like the refrigerator noise, making this like when the frosting or something like Like I need to pan it to the right of the scene. So okay, so the refrigerator goes there and if the window should be on the left side so I'm going to put a bit panning on traffic noises, maybe some bird noises to indicate, there's
the outside. So I try to picture in my mind. What does that seem would look like in my mind? So I can try to so I can start putting the elements of the scene there. So, The first thing I do is soundscape that I start adding the voice, the voice takes so I can, then use the direct sound effects. So I can, I think this way is easier because I can try to look for sound effects that matches the the acting.
So, I mean, if the, if the characters talking a bit more rapidly and we beat out of breath or something, she is more urgent. So I'm if she's walking, I'm trying to find some I'm trying. I'll try to do. Maybe is some footsteps that aren't exactly radiantly. Maybe some kids once in a while that's like she is a fast Basin. I think, I think it's easier like this. I think it's also helps with the immersion because it feels connected. It's not like you're matching
one sound effect with one voice. Take because you like that sound effect. Yeah. Yeah. It should be it all should be connected. Well, the voice, the acting of the character, its it should be the same acting as the sound effect that you're using. So this is my how I at least how it start doing. Audio seems soundscape voices, then I add the the, the effect. So it's everything's placing where it should be. Yeah, brilliant.
And you've already talked about, you know, some of the places you get your sound effects, but you are also a master of your own Foley. Right? And yeah I mean do you get the high heels out and you're clapping on different floors as well as you know, manly boots and womanly sandals. You have like a vast library of things. You've collected over the years and utilize those. I mean, yeah, Foley Foley is so exciting for my stuff, nowadays for footsteps, I have like huge
libraries that I use nowadays. I like to do clothing sounds. I think it's It helps be like when I do fully for clothing, I literally, I take the clothes, I create a track for, okay? So this is cloves for this character. I played the scene and I tried to mimic, like, what I think this character would be moving in the scene. So I record myself. I think that helps like, for the cloven part as far footsteps, I I feel like it's easier and I get better results. Should they with laughs library
of once? I mean, I will I started doing Foley like, on my first internship, it 11 years ago so I had like a huge library that I that I things, that I recorded things that I've bought from all these last decades, so you might have some hard drives, right? Mainly, I use. I use cloud. Should I use? I have Google Drive. I have Dropbox because I had hard That let me down once in a while. So yeah. So cloud is my to go nowadays. Do not play me and what are your top tips for folks, who want to
make their own Foley? Anything? You've learned along the way you can impart as get advice, you try it. You should try to match like not matches budget finger something but like I have a lot of friends that they like, they bought condenser microphones and they use Like in an apartment with no sound proof at all. And if you use like a condenser microphone, a high-end like a studio quality, microphone, it captures more, if you don't have
a way to yes. Brew, soundproof something somewhere in your house, like, it will catch a lot of fun and unnecessary sounds, so you can probably hear the birds outside my window right now, right? Yes, and I said, 500 yards. It's very sensitive microphone. Yes, and I have like four people that want you to fully that's like and at home you can do it but try to get more. Try to look for dynamic microphones. I think it's a better approach.
You can limit on, you can limit better on where you want you to get them the sound for even if it's not a soundproofed environments, you didn't know you don't have a home studio, you do. Have a acoustic panels all over the house. So Dynamic microphones are really helpful on that. You can do on home and mainly use creativity. I'm in full, that's what got me into Foley when I stirred when I first started working with it. Like well I remember to this day, my first fully that I work
on the studio. We were doing a truck slowly parking on the outside of a farm. And we went you the Foley closet that we have, we got like an old barbecue grill, some chains. There was like, okay, so we're going to record everything. Then we're going to add it. Some stuff and we're going to see how it sounds. And when our later, boom, there's a trick. When you don't have the nowadays. I I haven't my Twitter, I post, I think in YouTube also like this is something that I try to do to these.
Day that I've tried to like, do something that's different. That sounds bigger. Like, but using only household appliances, like, I my most recent to try on these. I did a Transformer, the transforming from the car to the robot Transformer using, like some metal stuff that I have here, like mic stands beer bottles then, Okay.
So now let's beat something. Let's do Reverb that stretch like a Foley is most about not getting what it sounds like the thing in the real world record that and sound owed. Here's that, that works for some stuff. Yeah. Match doesn't sound like a lit match. Does it know we're fooled every day for seen him on theaters. Like, bunches doesn't sound like dad's full. We, when we walk, we don't make much noise as movie movies the This like everything is a bit
amped like on the audio sides. So I remember my first. Try trying to record flipping the page for a book. Yeah, damn books. Don't make that are clouds. So like you get a newspaper, it's a better paper quality. So you try to look for other things that do. These might sound just like what I'm looking for. I mean, my fluid is mine. My to go when I need a gun with one second dose of Life Foley. Now this is exciting folks.
This is my flute. Yeah. So I'm taking the pieces back like so now I have 3 pieces of the flute separately. Yep. Don't shoot. Don't shoot. Yeah. So like, I mean, it's a flute but it works to you when, when you, when you put in context, when you put it in the scene, it works both for audio and works both for video. Like, for a video, you have the visual, you have a gun on the screen. So if you hear like something like this, you can match it to what's appearing on the screen for audio.
If you have like someone saying, hey, don't shoot, and you have this simple like this, like you have the context. Okay, that's again, you don't need, you get a gun and Airsoft gun or something like own mechanical. Like you just have something that sounds like, and yeah, that's pretty much it. Like, pay attention to your your surroundings. When you say, maybe there's something inside your house that will, if you give it like a punch, maybe something like that.
Oh, that sounds cool. Yes, go punch things, hit things, turn things, squish things, wiggle, things and do things with the things in your house. You never thought you would do. You'll find some astounding sounds just wonderful sounds right? So yeah I love that one. Little bit of advice and and also now, right people can Source in daf for a gun barrel making sound. Find this episode. Get that gun sound. I want to hear a podcast. Now, with that sound from this podcast in.
Please tell me when you do it. Can't wait. But yeah, I love that. And that is the creativity and it is. Now I remember going around my DIY Shop thinking just a squeak this thinking of when I turn it does it squeak enough for adding to my, my opening door, you know, there's some various things you can do, you can do to make sound like other things. Brilliant. So now, today we have I've come to the time of the audio. Friction quiz of audio loving Joy.
Are you sitting comfortably? Please don't sweat? It's kind of hard. It's a bit. It's a bit. It's kind of warm. Here it is. Okay. Maybe maybe put yourself down fast. Dramatic music, please. You are an astounding voice actor. What kind of dream character do you want to play? And why would you want a lawyer? Play a villain and I mean, a more cartoonish lie. It's all about trying to be more serious.
I love trying to do this more cartoonish voices, and I've never got a cartoon part for audio. Dramas. Okay. Well, you've had it, make it so Delino would be amazing. Fantastic question to. What have been the biggest challenges for you and audio creation of the last few years? The last few years, they have 30 seconds to answer that one. Okay, on that on that coffee. Cthulhu Audio Drama that I've
created. I had to somehow put like a Mist coming out from where kind of water mirror thing and people were getting a bit crazy. There were like shooting there was like this strange creature bumping for a gay. There was a lot of happening right there. In this characters, the main character on the scene, he gets pulled into the storm water mirror. Everything shifts, like the outside starts to blend in with some ocean. Sounds underwater thing.
It was like a 15 second scenes, but this transition was really important to me. It was one of my favorite Parts when I was playing that game and trying to blend in so many effects. Like, there are four characters yelling at each other and one side of the the mirror there's this transition, the character getting pulled From food, from one dimension Dimension. It's like there was a lot of elements to blending together, but you did it, we need to ask.
Where is that? And what podcast was that? It's from the third episode for someone as you go away. Okay. Let's listen to that fakes and see if the new lace is it. I'm sure you did amazing. What is the funniest mistake stroke learning experience is what I like to call them that you've had so far in making I'm not sure it counts. The one I told you earlier that I uploaded my first episode with 1.2 gigabytes.
Okay. I have to ask you another question, you've canceled already, okay, what are you yet to achieve in audio fiction creation that you're aiming for? I never, I never did something like Western like or Senor, right? Samurai like something more Japanese or your Western Samurai that collusion together of yours. No, that sounds amazing. Yy-you drawn to those stories. Where why I love this? I love their soundscapes like Western soundscapes. It's something that really draws my attention.
Something also, as a samurai, Japanese Ninjas stuff like that, they have like you have like cool approaches. There's for example the game Ghost of to Shima they there's an interview with the sound, we have the sound cruel for that game. I think it's on sale dark, that podcast. I forgot our isn't own banders. Now it's in sound dark. That podcast. If I'm not mistaken and they're, they're like, they had this
approach. Like, oh, when, oh, when you think like a samurai, cut a katana and sieving from like you have like this shit and they that's like what? Movies taught us, that sounds like, and it's actually much more Steptoe and goes of tsushima, sound crew, they have like, a more realistic. Stick approach to sound in this kind of context and I really think it would be really cool to do some raw stuff and as in both of these scenarios. Yeah. I love that.
I also want to play now. A ninja it doesn't say anything but you just hear the squeaking floorboards of them and, you know, they're around. God, this is so great. These answers, okay, which characters to you've played as a voice actor, are your favorite, and why?
What should we listen to that? You mean, I really like the one, the Sasha, and st. Kilda because he is, yes, he's a bit different than other characters that I have that I've played for audio dramas because he's a bit more, like, he doesn't like people his his kind of like his own for Robbie, but other people, it's like, it's really different from what I've played try and I really liked the character and I really like
the story. That surrounds everything there and because Keanu from for white Vault because it's it has a bit of a range. Like the first time I recorded him, he was like, doing, oh, hello. So you want to do some sightseeing in Argentina. It's like, and then by the end, the love this show. Why are you? Yeah, yeah, yeah. It has a beautiful, menacing crazy Arkin, It was really cool doing that. Brilliant. As we love to be challenged right about this.
And then what would you personally like to see more of an audio fiction? And why what kind of genres? I know you've mentioned what you want to make, but what do you want to listen to? What do you want to enjoy more of in the audio feature landscape? I really my favorite genres. Things like never wear from you game on some fent your urban fantasy.
You know, I we have a A lot of sci-fi, a lot of crime, a lot of sci-fi crimes on a Sci-Fi Thrillers I once I I would love more shows on that happens on our world but like there's some Twitch in it like there's some fantasy element in each but something that feels like more urban. Yeah I really love that. I if you Any recommendations, please let me know. I mean, I don't I think I'm running out of kind of shows like this. Yeah, paying them to us. So we can share the latest one.
I think I've listened was fairy. I think it's Anna Spotify, exclusive, okay. Yes, fa e. IE is Mary. Yeah, there's some glorious stuff out there too. So yeah, any more recommendations ping me a quirky voices and Twitter and danila. What's your Twitter account? People can ping you too. It's h c. DH guests. Take a So Glorious. We can, we can get some more
listening together, brilliant. So, so finally really I mean, you've got such a wonderful amount of experience and I think, you know, from what we've heard today and other bits I've heard you are gloriously Deft at making things sound just pristine and so exciting to listen to what would you give the best advice for someone just starting out now, not quite sure. Where to turn, what to do and
possibly wearing all the hats. Like you have previously Vice, what advice would you give to those folks? As I believe, most of the people that gets into Audio Drama. At least for my experience that are people with some background, like, at least a little experience, maybe with tabletop role-playing games or huge movies, like Lord of the Rings
Star Wars and stuff like that. Keep it simple when you start doing something like that, if you're Doing a first production don't try to do a war among or examine elves with magic and dragons and you know, that's too much cost. Ya, for example that I've sent you like it's four characters on the whole episode. It's all like in one house. My first Audio Drama that I that I written that though in Portuguese, who courted, you tell, its In English.
The hotel hotels room. It's like it happens in just one room of a hotel. It's like one character and other voices appear like, on the Telly on a telephone on a recorder, and that's it. Like, so it's simple. We it's like, okay, I can start with this. It doesn't have like a lot, you concentrate on. So I can get like, okay. So how does for audio only I shall I build a landscape? A soundscape, shall I?
Build this sound effect? So, so, keep it simple on a first Productions, I believe this, because if you, if you for people that start doing something greater something big and yes, like you, it has no experience, it can be a bit frustrating like, oh, I can't do a dragon voice. Oh, this dragon breath exploding. A castle. Doesn't sound realistic. Like, you have to build up your way. Understanding how things work and also like for Audio Only.
We it's a different medium than for a theater for a movie for a TV show. Yes. You have to understand like what works with all your only and how does it work. So listen to a lot of stuff because background is really at, if you know how a good stuff sounds you know at least you know what, you want to get you, where do you want to get you? So listen to a lot of stuff and when your start producing keep it simple. Love that. And I think a lot of folks, you
listen to this podcast. I quite seasoned creative makers. And I wonder what you would have is advice to them for really pushing the boundaries of audio and what you'd like to hear them doing in their own audio show. One thing that I really enjoy like because when if you're doing something like oh this is a creation of like you're really want to create that Yuri. You have passion for it. That's have the work in it to like you. It's something that's since you're Startin.
You start building with passion you will try to achieve the best result possible. So I'm not sure like if some of those creators like they're going with the flow, like oh, there's a lot of people listening to Thriller podcasts. So I'm going to try to do a thriller podcast because that's what people would, that's what people are listening to. You like what do you want to listen to you and try to create that slide. So yeah, you've got your heart in it. Yeah.
If you want to grab through it because that's okay. Sure. Go for it. But maybe if you don't like that and you're created that because it's what's on the media. It's the shows that are popular are kind of like that like you want to do something fantasy something more, childish something more like recently I your You're on there. I think you aren't the one that I was going to mention the I forgot the name, the one from its from the Pooh Bear. I'm sorry out back.
Yeah. So I'll see you later. There's like I love that shirt, that show. It's awesome. And so it's like it's simple. It's it's different. It's it's for all ages. Actually. I believe shows, I love that show. Yeah, and maybe if you if that's what you What, what is it kicks her boots in like you want you to produce stuff like that. So, do stripper, do stuff like that. I think the beauty of that show is, as you say, there's the components are simple.
In as much as you know, the story is paired right down to Essentials. And you have an array of characters with very different voices and very different rhythms and Melodies and all sorts. And then I'm lucky enough to be the narrator, which is just broke my life and you sounds awesome. The ice until they stores to my kids, right? And, and I had them from my parents when I was younger.
So yeah, as you say is for all audiences that I've got friends with kids who are listening, as well as, like, Pals of mine of my age saying. Oh, so lovely to listen to that again, if you need a Moment of Zen. Yeah, I agree. That's a groovy podcast but thank you guys so much. It is doing things that you have got a foot in the door of loving with all of your heart because you spend a lot of time with it, don't you? It's not like it takes you two seconds to make a mean.
Could you do you have a breakdown of like how long one of your episodes would take of your wrote recent project? I mean, how many hours did it take you to do to do that one episodes since I do like literally everything alone on my podcast from like production from recording editing and all stuff, like it's a lot. So for example, for that two-minute trailer for The just digitized that That you played. I've spent, it was about six hours on a Sunday.
See, I mean, that's astounding, isn't it? And that's what it sounds so caught up. That's like, that's like two minutes. Yeah. Yeah, this is it. I mean, I know I've been dialogue editing. I was nine podcast just for a couple of episodes now and absolutely enjoying that very much. And and that takes me. I think it's six hours for the dialogue edit for 20 minutes, right?
And then I passed that on to Oliver Morris who absolutely adore and he takes care of the beauty of sound design and music side of think. So. Yeah, you know, it does take such a long time, doesn't it? And that's the other thing to factor in, is your time versus your quality of life to. I hope you're doing some wonderful fun things outside of podcasting to get you out in the open air Danny Way, Brazilian, gorgeous climbs, I like staying home, but yeah, can be difficult.
No, but I trust you because since my my full-time jobs also editing voices, like, I'm a recording mixer for a voice acting Studios. So, I try to like, at least playing some video game, playing some bass, playing some music. It's like, you know, how life sound so groovy. Yeah. But it was a try to put take some time out of audio software to edit stuff to record stuff and you know, no I I got like, does that a lot? Yeah, no it sounds immense will hearty.
Thank you for joining me today on this episode. I thank you very much for enjoy it as much as I have our honestly. It's so groovy to talk to you and your I mean there's nothing you can't do anything. It can seem to be able to do everything brilliantly, which is amazing. So give some to us. Will you just share a bit out over the sound waves for everyone to share a bit? But now I really wish you the best of creativity. Of excitement in the next things that you do and the best of success.
And yeah, keep being amazing. And let's get some more connectivity with Brazilian podcast people. So yeah, thank you for having me. You're amazing, take care. Stay amazing.