In the beginning Episode 55 Courtney Atkinson How are you? I am. Very good, Liam Flanagan. Let's kick it off with, I reckon, a name that if people didn't know about beforehand because they've been buried under a rock or they haven't been paying much attention to rugby league, they will know about now. Reece Walsh. Who hasn't heard of Reece?
This guy, what he did in the NRL weekend, in the NRL grand final on the weekend for the Broncos, I heard it referred to in commentary as the easiest Clive Churchill medal in the history of the game, as in the best grand final performance the game has seen. Now maybe that's a bit of recency bias, bit of caught up in the hysteria, but did you watch the game and what did you make of it? A. 100% I watched the game. It was, I mean the Bronx. Three in a row or three. Finals have been the same.
Just to make like, you know, on the edge, sitting on the edgiest seat the whole time. And he it didn't matter whether it was defence attack, sip in the toilet water. He, he is everywhere. He's everything. And yeah, I mean, he's giving the accolades, accolades he deserves, whether you like him or not. And I love him by the way, but. Yeah, and so do I and I also I for those people that are we're so guilty of tall poppy syndrome in this country, but this we talked a bit about this last
episode. I think it was about the the hero hurdle, the with the gout, with gout gout and Kathy and how you can't manufacture A superstar. The one that breaks through popular culture supersedes their sport. Nathan Cleary has undoubtedly been the best player in the game for the last 6-7 years with his with his CV and I'm not a rugby league expert and there probably are people that know the game better than I do listening to
this. But with his CV at the age he still is, retires and probably enters the immortal conversation, yes it's hard to. People will scoff at that now because he's still so young, but with the career he's putting together, You're talking Cleary here. I'm talking about Nathan Cleary here. And yet I don't think Nathan ever broke through and and got bigger than his sport. Do you know Paddy Carrigan? I reckon put it pretty good. He goes. Can't help he's a good looking rooster either.
I mean it doesn't hurt. No it doesn't. Hurt but I but genuinely nice. Story I heard this is a it's gone through a a few different hey. The best. The best ones always have. Over at Red Hill I heard they were having some problems at one stage. This is going back a a couple of years ago now because they had to get security on because when they were training had a couple of times where they actually some some young females jumped in the back of Walshy's suit as he drove off. I can, I can.
Confirm that and you can confirm. Not the you, but I know for a fact and I'll and I'll cite my source because that's not going through second hand.
Adam Reynolds told me that they were considering erecting like hurricane fencing because of the young girls that started turning up to training because it had gotten to that level with Reece Walsh. That's and and that is something the game hasn't seen before now when I just to finish off on the Nathan Cleary point, Nathan Cleary and people arguably still the better footballer, right. But that hero hurdle that breaking into the mainstream, that's that transcending your
sport. Nathan Cleary didn't do it. Reece Walsh has done it and now I cannot wait to see what the next 5-10 years are for for Reece Walsh. Bloody exciting because he is the biggest. Star the game has ever seen. Not the best player, the biggest star. Yep. And I and I can't wait to see, I tell you what, good time to be a Brisbane I Yeah. It's a brilliant time to be a Queensland AFL. Not just Brisbane.
NRLNRLW. Yep, no pressure on the AFL Women's and the the Supercar drivers and any other Queenslander. It feels good to be a Queenslander at the moment. It's all coming home, isn't it? And especially to Brisbane. But I don't think we picked up last week. You someone wrote in to me and said just congratulated you, you picked the Brownlow, you're on the money. Grand the norms. Yeah, going back. Sorry, Normsmith. Yeah, yeah, you're on the money with the AFL picks.
Well, this is. Right on them. This is our boy Will Ashcroft too. We've talked about on this show before and I think it's I mean this is a this talking to bring it into your world of high performance. Will Ashcroft. We've talked about him in comparison with Bailey Smith, the Reece Walsh, if you like, of the AFL, bigger name, bigger brand. Will Ashcroft is all about the craft. Will Ashcroft is all about being and he's talked about this. He wants to be great in the big
moments. Not that he's not focused on the regular season, but his professionalism, his dedication, his doing the little things. He wants to stand up in those
big moments. So it was sort of a not an easy pick but a safe pick by me to back him in for the Norm Smith because of a what he did last year, because not in the game like I do. If Brisbane get on top it generates a certain style of football which suits Will Ashcroft, but also this is a young man who he would I think Will Ashcroft would almost rather win Norma Smith medals
than regular season awards. Do you think do you think he's better known, would still be better known in Melbourne than he's in QLD? Will Ashcroft Yes. No. Oh, no, no, no. I don't. I think I do. I I don't think well. Hang on, you got both Brisbane teams, Both Brisbane winners this year? Yep. Both have won the most prestigious award as individuals. Mm. Hmm. Who? Who in Queensland here? Yeah. I mean, you're a goal coaster now. Yeah. Who do we know more? Oh, Rhys Walsh, is that what?
You're talking about, Oh, no comparison. So we're talking. So it's we're talking about, we're sitting here in Queensland with. All due respect to Will Ashcroft, hey, I don't think he's better known than any of those Broncos players, not just Reece Walsh. I don't think he comes. He comes within a whisker. Of which is an interesting scenario where we've got 2 Brisbane teams. Who is basically on the scrapheap prior to this season is a bigger name than Will Ashcroft is in Brisbane.
That's, but that's just because of the reality. So I'm asking is he a bigger name in if I went down to Melbourne and said Will Ashcroft, is there more chance that I'm going to be no one in Melbourne? Oh. Look, maybe, but I still don't think it's as big a gap as you think, city to city, because
Melbourne is so insular. I mean, you look at the way they're carrying on about in over this trade period that's going on at the moment in the AFL about some of these Queensland based players who have been guns for the last couple years. It happened with GW as well. Suddenly they discovered in Sam Taylor and Nick Keynes and all these gun defenders who had been dominating locally for the last couple of years. But Melbourne just doesn't has an inability to. I'm talking the AFL world.
I love Melbourne, I love how much Melbourne loves AFL. But if they tell you that they've got an A 360° view of the game, they don't. They care about Melbourne. It is insular and that's OK, but it's the reality in my opinion. Up here in QLD. And so will Ashcroft. As good as he is, as big a star he is, put it this way, he's on track to do what Dusty Martin did. And that's win 3 Norm Smith medals.
He's would not be even close to Dusty Mountain's level of profile because he's doing it with the Brisbane Lions, not doing it with one of the big four clubs in Melbourne, which is Richmond. Do you think Lions can win again next? Year absolutely. Just to to indulge for a moment. They get better next year they win. Last year they lose Joe Danaher and they struggled to fill the hole of Joe Danaher.
They discovered this tight gallop kid late in the season who 6th game of football wins a premiership. Unbelievable. Going to be a very good player moving forward if his development continues. But next year, for next year. They've already picked up Sam Draper from the Esnon who immediately, with all due respect to Oscar McInerney who's just retired, is a better ruckman. He's a better footballer and he's 26, so better age demographic, so better player.
You get stronger there. They're also bringing in Oscar Allen, who's 2627 from West Coast Eagles, who is a better player than Sam Day, who they've just said goodbye to as well. So instantly you've gotten a ruckman and a key tool. They're only gonna get stronger. You're saying goodbye to Stasovich, you're saying goodbye to Archie. Yes, you're losing pieces. But then these other kids, Levi Ashcroft gets another pre season under his belt.
Marshall, they they every chance to be back there next year. And I'll say it now, will Ashcroft for Norm Smith matter your calling? He will if they if they go back again, he will win it again. That is how this kid is wired. That is how this kid is wired. Yep. Well, there you go. Let's get to some running. Otherwise we become a footy podcast. Yeah. Let's talk about the big story in running, and that is Strava suing Garment. Garment How? How much do you know about this
not? I know that they sue Garmin. Yeah. And I, I and I know the reason why it's around segments. Segments and heat maps. Yep. So basically the the layman's explanation for those that haven't aren't across the story. If you have a Garmin watch within that Garmin watch you have heat maps. Strava is saying that Garmin has take in their technology or take in their data.
RIP them off to. Create those heat maps, type in the information of the Strava users to create the heat maps within those pieces of technology. And also which I didn't know that Garmin has segments, our last Strava, Strava segments. So you can go on, not just run Strava segments around the place, you can run Garmin segments. And Strava is also claiming that they created that technology. Yeah, see, I thought, and this is going back, someone will know.
Going back a few years back, Garmin, it was exciting because Garmin actually had the Strava segment show up on the Garmin cycling computer or cycling watch. So while you're out there, you could finally get that live vision on your Garmin. And I didn't real. So I mean, I'm only using Strava. I use the Garmin Connect app when I'm using a Garmin, but I never look at it. It's actually only opened to get the information across to. Strava, onto Strava.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Which is the same problem, which is their issue, right? It's, you've got to have the app, you open it, you know, look at it because you want to go over and look at all the. Strava stuff, I'm look, I'd look one is essentially a hardware organisation in Garmin and the other is software. And I find it interesting because I don't think we'll see Strava try and enter into the
hardware race. I don't think you'll see Strava watches or Strava because I think they're smart enough. Yeah, I, I, I don't, I think they're mooring like, I think the horses almost bolted too far for them to try and catch up. Well, let me ask you, if Strava released a watch, would you wear it? It was good enough, probably. Would you? Yeah, it wouldn't I'm but if it. Had all if it had all of the effectively this is this is
theoretical. If the Garma Music 245 that I ran in yesterday, there was the identical product from Strava. Yeah. And it just uploaded straight to Strava, OK. And it did everything in exactly the same manner took, you know, has your heart rate monitor. Why? You'd you'd you'd trust it of. Course you'd trust it. I mean, if we, I mean the proof would be in the pudding. Well, my, my, I'm saying if it is exactly, if it operates exactly the same, exactly the
same it says, why wouldn't you? Trust. So the cynic in me says that they're not a hardware company. Strava is a software. Strava is a tech business. Yeah, but what do all tech garments end up doing? Buying a hardware now business? If they bought a business and took it over and started bringing that production in house, sure. But if Strava suddenly starts making watches, it's going to take a lot of water to go onto the bridge before I back that in over my Garmin again.
Completely just no information on this, but yeah, what's what's that? Watch CRO, Is it Cronus? There's fair few people using it's a newer one on the market. I'll look it up. Because I'm, I'm they're not not purchasing one, but let's just use Polar as an example. Say Strava went, We're going to acquire Polar. OK. Would you then use a Strava watch? Yeah, if it was, it was.
If it was a if I saw that Strava had taken their software and combine it with Polar hardware and put it under the banner of Strava, Yes. No, but I'm just saying just acquire it and that Polar becomes Strava, then it's no longer yes, yes. A bad example with. Polar Big, big business. No, no, no, but but but that's. Apple, Apple, all the tech companies at some stage didn't just end up with, you know, there was technology used through other companies to make headphones, sure.
You know what they didn't have? If it was easier to go and acquire technology, they'll they'll go and do it. So I I believe it's well within their realm. I mean they just acquired runner. We need a, we need a virtual. We need to be training again software. Though, yeah, it's software and so this is and I again we have a #1 fan of Strava right here intended future shareholder once they list publicly, I am all the board you we, you can go check the check the receipts.
We have talked about the the game changer that Strava already is and will become. It's the biggest sleeping giant of the running industry that's already awake for lack of a better comparison. But that manufacturing physical hardware thing I think is a is something that I'd need to see and see proven before I backed it in. Well, you know, put it this way, do you? Would you, if any athlete would, would you as an athlete have debuted A Strava watch at the Olympic Games?
If you're if that is, you got to perform at your peak. It is your all or nothing. It is your. It is your grand final. Depends on how much they paid. There's always a price, Liam. So to go back to this whole lawsuit thing, look, it's it's interesting. I'll be really fascinated to see how it all pans out. Yeah. Who wins? It's, you know, it's he said, he said, she said, they said, we
said business. Yeah. I wonder how that then goes behind closed doors when they, you know, obviously because Garmin users must be a massive proportion of Strava users. What would I be right in guessing is? It could be that besides the iPhone? Because I do think a lot of people like Strava users still use the iPhone. Besides the iPhone, Garmin would have to be the main technology that people upload with to Strava. So Can you imagine? At some point they must get
together. It's a third party, there's the API on it and then the apps and everything, and they must get together themselves and go, what can we do? How's that next meeting go? I'm trying to look it up and that's a great question. It's a, it's sort of a who needs who more, sort of needs who more. So Strava says it has over 150 million athletes using it's platform, right? I'm guessing that's more people than have Garmin watches. What was the number?
150 million. It's an interest that is interest I would, I mean, how many people would have a Garmin? Why? There's be a lot of Garmin watches out. There, you reckon there's over 150 million people with that Garmin watches? I don't know you get AIO to help us out. Yeah, I'm I'm trying to do a bit of a Google on the fly, but I would say it's not as much now if if Garmin turned off the tap to Strava. Then Garmin users have a
decision to make. Right, and if Strava turned off its tap to tap to Garmin, you know it's cut off your nose to spite your face stuff. Who loses in that battle? It's a good question for people running along with losers. US, the runners, athletes, yes, there's incentive for for this to work out peacefully for the sake of athletes. It's a good question to people running along with a garment on their watch or without a garment on their watch.
Apple uses Apple Watch use. My wife would be unaffected. She uses an Apple Watch. She'd be completely unaffected. There you go. It's a good conversation. It's a good way, Yeah. Well, you. Keep an eye out on you did the running. World, it's not news I expected to wake up to this week, that's for sure I'll. Tell you what, Strava, look how they are the big bullies of the running world. What have you been up? I mean, we're sweating up here. Summer is. Here, Summer's here, summer's
here. It's bloody. Hot. I need to put the air con back in. I'm sick of pro hours already in this weather. Yeah, it's it's too old. Well you are pro hours, you just walked out of the gym. Didn't. You I literally, I've just come from the gym to your joint and yeah, I'm back at a gym because I'm excited about, I'm in the mindset of challenging my body at the moment. I want to get fit again. I reckon I probably coasted through winter a little bit.
So here's the question, I want to get fit because a lot of people say I want to get fit. Is it ambiguous term? Yeah, it is. What is I want to get fit to you? I want to be sore again. No. No, no, let me explain, it's been a while. That's the purpose of getting fit is not to be. No, no, no. But, but you know what I mean. Like I think for me that feeling of, of soreness in my muscles is an indication I'm pushing myself and training hard and, and improving and growing.
And I don't reckon I've had that for a little while. I reckon I've found a comfortable kind of zone where I'm running about 50 KSA week and it's comfortable and it's easy and that's good and it's been really nice. But now I've hit a point with running and everything. I'm like, OK, I want to. And because I'm not training for Noosa this year, I haven't had that stress or that strain or that challenge or that end point. So I'm looking for that again. I'm trying.
So I've joined up with a new gym, which is, I tell you what, there is nothing more humbling than walking into a gym not knowing how to do stuff. Gym scare that that that is the sole reason gym scare me. What's that 'cause you don't know how to do stuff? Oh yeah, I've always done very basic mechanics in the gym, right. But if I go into your, we talked before we got on air about going into a, you know, a 24 hour. Let's just use anytime figures as anything. Yep, any one of them fitness
first anytime. The machines look foreign to me. All the new tech and you know, all the different lap. There was sort of lap machine yesterday and I didn't know whether to kind of give, give it a high 5 or slap. I know what I know what barbells and you know, deadlift, squat
and all of that. But the machine, that's what scares me. And then you stand around in the gym kind of with, you know, just a whole heap of other people who know what obviously have been in there long enough to know the machines or AP TS, giving them some, you know, pointers. And you're like, well, how the hell do I even turn this on?
And what does it do? So I this is and part of the reason I'm enjoying being back at the gym because I've realised we anybody that you think about it, you might not be able to speak a a literal second language, IE French, German, Mandarin, whatever it is, but most of us all have a second language in our lives which revolves around potentially work, the work we do. But often gym this gym I've joined first session in shout out to momentum Sports.
Wade stood out the front, the owner and the main head coach at this joint and with the white ball behind him pointed and spoke. And I was surrounded by 15 people nodding. And at the end I went up to Wade and said I didn't understand any of that and I had to have my hand held throughout the entire session because I didn't understand any of it and it was humbling. And you got your money's worth. But it was. Great. And same thing as the one I've
been at today. I understood a little bit more, but still most of it might have been, might as well have been Latin. I did not understand most of it, but I'm excited about that because the movements and the technical side of it and the learning for me at 41. I'm really excited that my body is learning to do new things, new movements. I realise how inflexible I am in certain through certain range of motions.
I'm learning about, you know, the activation of of different, you know, muscles and and movements during certain. It's I'm excited about learning even at the age of 41 in fitness and, and this I don't mean that people who don't go to the gym have done this, but it the prospect of giving up.
And that might seem me over the top exaggeration, but I don't like the idea that even at 41, even though I love running and that is the thing I love exercising with most that that's all I'll ever do. I'm just set on that. I I am excited by the idea of still running and still getting better at running, but learning and and how to do other physical things, yeah. So that was a long winded answer to what does fit mean? Yeah, I don't know. I don't know if I answered it. I don't know either.
I don't know, but you gave us a good spiel. Yeah. Yeah, it was. It's like to go in the gym. I've lifted the lift clean and jet before. Lifting makes you feel good. Yeah, there's no doubt about that. Maybe I'll become a Jimbo. Maybe I'm destined for high rocks. I think this is me dancing around it. Maybe I there are people at this gym. You're guilty Hieroxies. There are people at this gym who are definitely high rocks I. Had breakfast with someone this morning who's was at a gym.
High rocks specific gym. Yeah down at Burley. Been doing high rocks like. And were they a perfectly perfect, wonderful person to get along with? A footy player. But yeah, no, the gyms, highroxes. I actually, I asked the question, so we'll get to it in a minute, but I was last week with a group of fitness people down in the Snowy mountains. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I want to talk about who are.
Highroxes, runners, triathletes, whole range of different crew and I asked them, I asked the question around actually I asked them two questions which will be good as one was around why is CrossFit is Highrox? Has Highrox actually surpass CrossFit now? I I think it's more than a battle. I think it's destroyed it. I think it's destroyed it, yeah. And they and they agreed, like Hyrox is the yeah, it's a new thing. I mean, there's the evolution hardcore crossfitters out there
still, but Hyrox is the second. The second thing I was asked, in which we've asked are numerous people, both pro runners, you know, amateur runners and everyone else, was when you run a marathon, do you know the winner of the race? Oh, interesting. Or a triathlon, because I triathlete simply in the group as well. And the unanimous answer was. No, no, yeah. I don't know which again to me was just like we are a participate well when I say we running and triathlon are
participation based sports. Let me piggyback on that. Yeah, the gym. I was just that one of the trainers, Capri, shout out Capri. She started listening to the podcast Up and Coming Triathlete. You're right doing this. Racing Sprint. I don't think she's doing this. She's racing in Wollongong. The age. Champions World Championships this weekend. Yeah, yeah. And she's not this weekend, next weekend, but she's racing in the ages.
And I was asking her as I was leaving the gym today, she said to me, will you watch Kona this weekend? Which the day we're recording, Kona is on the day you'll be listening to this. Kona is on this weekend. And I said my friend is racing in it, Katie Ramon. Share that, Katie. And she's like, who do you think's going to win? And I said, oh, I've got no idea. I do not follow the sport to
that extent. But my friend who's admittedly racing as a pro you're, you're interested in, I'm invested in her. Yes. I don't. And she proceeded to tell me who she thinks is going to win the race. And I'm like, I haven't heard of those. Your eyes glazed over because you were like. I don't know who they are, but it will it brew it brang home. The point of that you just made, which is that this is a participation. Sport it is, and maybe that's a
great thing. I think it is a good thing and that's not detract from the elites. No, but it is. Well, it's definitely, I mean, as we go through this and it's been, you know, nearly on a year now, that's been my biggest learning out of all of this. Yeah. That what we've spoken about, who we've met, who we talk to is the biggest learning is the more and more I get into it, the more and more I realise these, these
these sports are. And the other way to look at it was you don't have look AFL or let let's use League, which was last weekend. You don't really have like thousands of people out there playing league at age of 40. No, well, I mean even touch footy stumps, but yeah, yeah, touch footy comps, sorry is probably the closest to it. But we'll all sit down on the weekend and that grand final is, you know, the four point. What was it, 4.7 million people tuned in? Yeah, yeah, BAFL. 4.64 I think
was the average. Total. So was it higher? And yeah, so like we're talking over four and a half million people tuning in. Yeah, a little bit different to the Sydney Marathon. Now, can we please talk about your snowshoeing adventure? I want, because I want to hear about this, because you were with a really interesting group. In fact, one of the fellows you were with is someone we've talked about not that long ago on this podcast. Lewis, Louis. Louis. Louis is it?
I wasn't sure if it's Louis or Louis, Yeah. But yeah, you're with an interesting group. Yeah, yeah. I mean, so I think I left the day after we chatted last time. So I've had a I've been away all week. First I was down in the snowies with Red Bull, right. So it's what they call a fitness summit. And literally this was more a male orientated fitness summit, which was probably like, like I said, high rocks athletes, some triathletes and some runners.
And they're all in the what they call, I mean, the more the creator space. So they're amateur, amateur athletes who I suppose on social media and that type of thing promote. Influences what? They do, yeah. Influences. Content creators influences. Yeah, Promote what they do out there and, you know, have reasonably large audiences I suppose to talk to. So, you know, it's always a very, it's interesting for me in that space always because obviously I come from the pure elite side of sport.
And now I'm dealing with, you know, all different levels and all different range of sport. But the first activity we did was snowshoeing. And when I looked, I went, yeah, it's a little bit like hiking. Like why would you walk when you can run? But first thing that happened was October. We're driving up the mountain, just drove past Thredbo heading up towards head dead head dead horse gap and starts. Snowing starts snowing like.
Literally snowing, I reckon, you know, probably 3 to 5 centimetres snow on the road as we go to walk off and shout out to Kay's seven adventures, Lou there who took us up and literally none of us had been on snow sheets. I'd I've run the cosy Kosciusko in snow before, but never in snow. I just. Oh dear, I just. Just rolled up, yeah. Pretty much just went in my trail gear, barreled through the snow and did it. But in this style, I suppose it
was just relaxing. We just walked up through the valleys in the snow, having a chat, having a cruise. I think we climbed. I'd have to have a look at Strava. I think we climbed up, you know, maybe 3500 metres of elevation over a few K but there was snow all the way through the snow gums got to hang out. So it was, it was nice. Wouldn't really say fitness to wasn't. Taxing. Wasn't taxing. Really not And is that? Even at altitude, it wasn't taxing.
I suppose if you you went to see how quick you could get up to the top of the summit, it would have been a bit more taxing. But, you know, it was pretty, pretty cruisy. But a new experience for all of us. Yeah. And then the second day, actually we had the running room come in. That afternoon, Alex. Yep.
The great man. Yep. Yep, Alex. And then they came up from Melbourne, took, took, I didn't get too involved in that session, but they took everyone through, did all the strength testing, had a look, gave them some more information on, you know, maybe think of this for injury prevention, you know, got a sore knee, do this, blah, blah, blah. Always good to go and see some experts. Pretty much the case. And then the next morning I took them out for a trail run cause of the snow.
Obviously there's, you know, a bit more snow than I thought they'd be around that time of year. We had to stay down in the valley tracks. But again, just a really nice trail run. I went up with with the group, you know Keegan. Yeah, Keegan Hebro, former time, Yeah. Keegan was there, you know, chat chatted him about podcasting a fair bit. You know, he's doing well in his space of podcasting. So I was, you know, it's not
just sports chat. It's like a little bit of everything going on at the same time. And then they come back and I suppose we had a nice chef giving us some lunches, you know, all the bells and whistles as well. So Liam, they have the days of my job, I can't complain, ha. Ha ha. Just mentioning Alex from the Running Room people might be familiar with him from. He was the physio that helped when Ned Brockman originally ran across Australia.
He was the physio on hand, but also people might have participated in more than a run, which is a sort of a, a men's health awareness event that happens, usually happens around November. Well, it's attached to November, attached to move, attached to Movember. Of course that's cool. It's so. Get Alex was involved. For that, we went to a lunch, remember? I took you to a lunch. Brisbane. Brisbane. The Fortitude Valley. Yeah. Howard St Wharfs I think that was for more than a run.
I've got a feeling it was attached or that way no movement was the. One we went to in Fortitude Valley that wasn't Howard Smith. Wharfs your brother in law was there but. Didn't you come with me up to there was another one on the river under the story bridge? It was. Two, that was Movember. Was that more than a run or just Movember I think. They would talk about my memory. Oh no, that was just straight up Movember because the fella that organised it is. He's done your race the Sun event.
I've forgotten his name, but yeah. And that was the yeah, yeah. Kiss, kiss, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Shout out kiss love your work. Yeah, I don't. I don't what? Don't know what the point of that was. Yeah, more than a. No, the point of it was I was just pointing out for once your memory. Can I ask something questionally about your. It's interesting that you, that you've gone on this health retreat. Yeah. And it's a men's health. Retreat. That might be a better way to put it.
What in health? What did I call it? What did you call it? I call it a fitness summit. Yeah. Yeah, OK. It's probably more like a men's health. What's interesting, right? Yep. Is that it was the men's focused 1. Yep, there's women a female 1 coming up. So and what we are you involved in the female. I will be involved. Now what? What are you doing with the female one? Do you know what you're doing yet? Do you know what the itinerary is yet? Well, if someone's listening, wait.
I think it's. Mid November, so I'll talk about it then. OK, I can't give away. All right, the activities. Well, the thing I find interesting is because why are you making, why are you dragging the blokes up through the snow? When I imagine that in my head right now, the women are going to go surfing and do yoga and have delightful views and breakfast on the beach. I reckon you're not too far. And you're making the blokes drag themselves up. Kosi, Oscar They.
Didn't go up, Kosi Oscar. Oh geez, I wish we were not Kosi Oscar. I'd love. To do you know, can I just on that, I have been a few people have asked me, I've had a few people message about the UTA 100 mile after I've mentioned it. That itch is getting scratchier or that scratch is getting itchier. The way everybody talk about it, because the thing that's rubbing around in my head at the moment, the more I think about it is why not? Like I'm never in my mind.
I want to scratch that itch at some point. I can't see myself in five years, 10 years, whatever it is, being more capable than I am now. So why not? So that itch is very, very scratchy right now. But for those listening also, I said to Liam, well then you need some help and you were like no,
I'm going to problem solve this. Well be like so as opposed to well, talk to me about that because when we talked on the phone the other day and I said that just that it's getting the itch is getting scratchier and you said, well, make sure you get a coach. Now in my mind, when I was going to shoot for sub three hours at the marathon, I needed a coach to help me structure that because there was a a time based goal in mind for the UTA 100 mile. It's just survived. You're just going to.
You just want to. Survive it. I just want to survive it. And that's just up here. Well, I suppose it depends on on, yeah, like what your goals are. But I think you still need some someone with expertise or even at least someone who's done it before. Yeah, to be able to give you some tips. Randy told me I'd have to do 2 hour stairs sessions. Has Randy done it before? No, I don't think he has, no. I should say there you go. OK, All right, let's move on. What else happened?
No. So I was away. I have hardly been home, got out West, so I came home from the snowies and got straight out West. Straight out on the bike. Back out on the motorbikes, out at my brother and sister in law's and it was here. Here's where I'm gonna go with this. Have you heard of Reflect Reflections of Life videos on YouTube? No, I went down this rabbit hole. A reflection of life.
Review I think the channel is called reflections of life and what it is is it's a production company or a guy has has done a whole YouTube channel just talking to old men and women about love it already what they've learnt.
Love it already in life. Yep, and one that really hit home was a guy just saying and he, he obviously being in a corporate world, you know, all the typical stuff you hear in the corporate world, burned out, had to get out, leaves now in the Bush somewhere and whatever else. But he just, he talks about. And now this is the wanky term being present, I'm going to say AKA also known as those times when you're somewhere and you're aware enough to go. I realise what my environment is now.
I'm going to give you an example of that. I get that feeling sometimes when I'm running in the ring at 6:00 AM and it's that time of morning. I'm on my own, I don't have my headphones in and I look around and I go, this is where I want to be. Yeah, I'm not thinking about anything else. I'm just doing it. This morning I was in Telly Creek swimming and we started, actually we went out into the ocean. So we went out in the ocean. So saltwater swimmers back on the Wednesday mornings.
No better place to start in morning than in Tully Creek on a on a bloody clear day. Morning to Ty and his crew. Yep, went out in the ocean looking at the bottom clear as we're doing. One minute, one minute on, one minute off, on the whistle and I was swimming at one point and just looked through the water and went what else would you want to be doing? What's? Yours, Liam, I'd say it's funny you met this is as soon as you
started talking about this. This is amazing how worlds sync up a little bit Over the weekend just gone. I was down in Evans Head with the family camping. Now I've never been to Evans Head before because I've done that drive between Sydney and the Goldie a lot. Lots of different places, Crescent Head, Brunswick, Byron, Yamba, you know, Port Stephens. Never been to Evan's Head.
It's now maybe my favourite place in between Sydney and the Gold Coast. It was just an amazing weekend that campsite, the town, what it offers, it has everything we needed for that weekend away. And I and I went running up through the headland a bit, went doing a bit of run around the streets as well. Just really kind of explored Evan's Head and I was thinking as I was running that that is that weekend at Emma Head Evans head. Kids were surfing in the morning, everyone crashing out a
bit in the afternoon. Kids were like totally where I am at in life, totally satisfied, just still ambitious, still want to achieve things, particularly around running and ticking around excitement and adventures and all that sort of
stuff. In terms of chasing stuff, it's funny because it ties into recently I've had had a phone call from a friend in radio or in media and I won't mention who it was or what the conversation was, but the phrase he used to me was surely the Gold Coast isn't your final destination? Surely this isn't your finish line? Is that because someone from down South always believed Sydney or Melbourne is the place?
Yeah. And this person wasn't necessarily from down South, but they asked that question. Yeah, right. And there was, you know, questions as to, you know, would you move here? Would you move there? Would you do this? And honestly, I sat and thought about it, and I used the old excuse of I said, oh, look, my wife and kids are happy, blah, blah, blah. But the truth of it is like where I'm at with everything, what am I? What would I be chasing more for?
What would I move for? What would, what would more get me? What would moving to another city, a bigger market, a high profile show, What would what would any of that bring me that would make me happier than where I'm at right now? Now I've got a pretty busy brain. I've got a pretty busy mind. I'm ambitious. I like a challenge. I like to succeed, I like to win. I view most things as a competition, but I don't need or want any of that right now. And that might change.
But to your point about running through Nerang and looking around going this is great, this is where I want to be and swimming in the ocean, I just want to be. I don't know if I've got a specific environment for that right now, but all of it added up to. You get it all. You get it from all of it. Yeah, like even this, this is a part of it too. Like, I've always loved podcasting and I've always wanted to do a podcast and I've done some other podcasts over
the years. And this is a part of the satisfaction I have with everything right now. The fact that I get to sit in here with you weekly, talk about something that talk with a mate, talk about something that I'm passionate about and enjoy talking about on top of my job and on top of everything else I do. Yeah, it's the balance for me right now is great. That's nice to hear. Yeah, yeah. It is to hear. So don't stuff it up.
Don't no, no, no, but that is a really, I think that's A and and obviously when people exercise, that's often the chemicals kick in and you can find that sense of peace and comfort and happiness wherever you are and realise this is very we are dancing dangerously close to being a wanky podcast right now called. Yeah, Oh, we're we're. Right there, we're right there, so I apologise. And I brought you this is all. People on you, it's all on me.
But I do. I think if you can find those moments in your runs, in your whatever they are, enjoy them. Yeah, enjoy them because they're not there all the time. And I find that once I stop, they can go away. They. Can go away pretty. Quick, but it's it's a nice comparison. But yeah, check out his reflection. I've already noted it. I've subscribed because there's a couple there. The beauty of less the simple light. There's some that I definitely. Forget the titles because it is wanky.
It looks cool, but it's just listening to us. It's. Interesting. Older crew who have been through everything and then they get to the get to the end and realise. This is I can tell you now what you're doing and give you a bit of advice and you know it's probably worthwhile listening to. I've got a couple of stories for you from my running this week.
Yep, firstly, and I didn't get his name, but to her for that gentleman was that ran past me on Tuesday of the week just gone as we drop this on the Saturday. Thank you because he ran past and said big fan of the podcast. Good to see you out here. Geez, you look a bit bright though. Now I want. A bit bright, a bit. Bright 'cause I was wearing a purple running top, black shorts and I had the Alpha flies back on the Vapour flies, whatever they use, those bright green Nike shoes I had on.
But here's the I would have. Said the same thing. First of all, I was walking because, and I'll tell you why I was walking in a minute. So this is here's a bloke who's seen me, maybe been listening for a year to a running podcast and see me walking in a pair of. Alpha flies alpha. Flies. So g'day to our trail kings mates who's like to spot alpha flies in the wild. I was one of those people guilty of walking along in alpha flies.
The reason I was walking Courtney a couple of weeks back, I talked about that just calf awareness and you were spot on. You said I don't think it sounds injured. I think it sounds sore, which means you've been running well or you've been pushing. Pushing, yeah. I went out on a run just to, I gave it a couple of days off and I went out and I run to see how it was 7 KS in a 5 minute pace, up the tempo and did 5 KS at under 430 pace and then recovery
K and I felt great. So I'm like OK, the calf's fine. But as during that rest period, I got back on the bike inspired a little bit by the chats we've been having with Dan, with Dan around Noosa try. I jumped on the bike and I've done 2 rides since but on. On the road or on the winter? No, on the road I've gone up into Crummon Creek, up up the out and back little thing on the valley. But on Monday, the long weekend just gone.
I did 50 KS. Now 50 KS is as probably as even when I'm training for Noosa. It's probably as big a ride as I'll ever do, right. I'm not one of these 100K types. I did that on the Monday. I tried to go out and do a Deeks quarters on the Tuesday. The fatigue. Yeah, just a new stress. 50K's on the bike. I couldn't honestly. I finished my 20 minute warm up before I started the main set of dekes. Yeah, I couldn't do it. I couldn't start.
I was knackered. I was, and This is why I was walking in alpha flies along the ocean way. I was cooked and I just and again, this is, I've ridden twice this year. Yeah. So I've done a total of 90K. It's all up. Yeah. So we'll be out for nearly two hours to do the few hours. Yeah, our our 45 hour 50 or thereabouts with, you know, 300 elevation, not a heap, but I was shattered. Haven't done it. It's a new. It's a.
New, absolutely shattered. Yeah. And I, it made me think I'm like, this is, we talked in those episodes with Dan about the training off the bike, those brick sessions off the bike and how important they are. And I remembered because even trying to run 24 hours after the fact, I couldn't do a Dick's Quarters. Yeah, because I'd ridden for 50 KS the day prior.
It's, it's the one, I mean, anyone who hasn't raced A triathlon or run off a bike, it's the biggest thing that surprises you about it because everyone just thinks, you know, you think about it as an individual thing. You swim and then you bike and then you run, right? It's easy. Yeah. And I have a certain amount of energy for that then, isn't it? It doesn't work like that. Running off a bike is a, you know, definitely a skill in itself for sure, but and a
strength skill as well. You've just got a lot of a lot of underlying strength to be able to do it. So oh, that's good. Good decision though not to try and push through it. Oh, no, no, no. Yeah. Like it was, it was. And this is the, the the irony is this is sort of the development of my, I guess, athletic profile in that at the beginning of the year, I probably would have tried to push through that. Now I know.
But then at this, immediately after making that mature decision, I was humbled because somebody listened to the podcast came running past. I love it. I love it when we get Ricky. I never mentioned it, but it was a few weeks back. I rocked up to actually it was right before this one, The Sun's final, their their final match of the year and I was meeting someone down at Piccolo at Miami. Yes, yes, yes.
And I got out of the car and literally ran into a group of guys and they said we'll love the pie. Oh, good, too. Shout out. Thank you. Shout out to the boys. So I always say hello. Yeah, yes. Hanging around. How how's your running going? I'm running. Where are you at?
So deuce with the amount of travel and the amount of you know, I've been on the road well in Bali, then literally got home for a few days and down South and then priority being riding motorbikes with my boys and that and this week I've I got back running yesterday. So I'm just running at the moment. Just just knocking in some case. I mean, I ran to an hour and a half. I could run 2 hours, you know, but I'm just running.
Just once I get back on the a bit of structure, then I'll start to get back into, you know, a little few more sessions and whatever else. But in in doing that as well, like I said a few weeks back, I've started some gym work. Summer's here. So get some tan, get in the water again, get in the water again. I'll be there when when I can and look at a few different swims. And the one thing I haven't done for a while because of the travel is get back on the
mountain bike. And that'll be the third thing I'll throw in there as well. So. I like the we got. For those who like KS, I'm back up to I think I ran 75K last week. There you go 75 so you for. For me, it's like for me, for you, it's probably three quarter load, right, Yeah. Just a just a couple of messages we got through from the listeners after last week. Lot of response to the What do you call out as you're approaching runners?
Yes, we did. And you got some audio for us I. Got one or one or I mean, it was, it was pretty much. I, it was a lot of response about the, IT was a lot of people saying. It was a consensus. This is pretty much the consensus. Morning boys. Just a quick one on the pedestrians up ahead of you while you're running or a little bit slow runner you need to take. I just thought it was the old on your right or on your left in some cases. And then a quick thank you is
your awesome. Always seems to work without a drama. On your right. So that's Jake Roberts and in but also bet Colesbury Lauren Mitchell a few of the others who wrote in Jordan Mcgorw said the surgery yeah, I mean we were probably discussing that need didn't need to be discussed. It sounds like everyone says right or. Left. No, no, I had a few people reach out and go. Track is hilarious. Ohh really? Yeah, 'cause they had no idea they'd never heard of someone shouting track. It did.
I, I don't know who it was One someone I read did say. But when we're running around a track, if you're running, we run. We yell track at someone's stationary. We don't run. We don't yell track. At someone running past. Just run. Just run around the outside. Yeah, I, I wanted to shout this out as a message we got from Corey Lucas. He sent this in and I hadn't seen this before but he reckons his comment was it's nice of Strava to add the activity tag for when you run with your slow
mate because you can. When you update your activity on Strava and you go to give it A tag, you can. There's race, there's long run, there's workout, recovery, commute. There's also with PET. With. Pet and I think Corey's using the with pet tag for when he's going. So is that if I see whip pet or with pet? If I see you label one of our runs together in Narang as with pet? With pet, I'm not happy about it. So there you go.
For people, if you're having to run with your slower mate, just tag us with pet exercise on Strava. Yep. Remember a few weeks back Ben Tennant wrote in, or actually sent us a video of him up. Not you when he was sweeping. Sweeping across country listening to us and we were talking about something similar. He wrote back to us, 'cause I asked him, you know where, what the hell are you doing in the UK listening to us?
He was listening to us again. And thanks for the shout out, Liam. And he was listening, oh, that's right, he was listening to your Gold Coast versus Brisbane commentary. Commentary. That's right, so he's driving along the Dead Sea of all places at the moment. Would you believe I'm crewing another EX Ultra X event? This time it's a 220 kilometre in the Wow rum in Jordan. Wow, I wanna be. There, I wanna talk to Ben. I wanna be in Jordan.
He was one of the medics and boy, there was lots of blisters to pop that was his job, popping blisters. So to answer the question, yes he was he's Australian, he's been in London for almost 2 years working as a paramedic. We could listen a big fan of the pod and maybe you boys could make it over the UK for one of these ultras I'd. Love to so Ben. I can't say it's going to
happen. But this, but this is part of the itch, right, of the itchy, the scratchy itch, the itchy scratch this 160 K I've talked about a little bit, But my friend Ed who signed up to do it, whoever raised the fines with he's in. And I just have this feeling of if I sign up and we run it, you earn, I think they're called stones or whatever. And then you take those stones, you put them in the lottery for UTMB. Now Ed and I have said that we'll do UTMB together one day,
right? And I just get the sense that if I sign up, there's a lot of dominoes to fall here. But I get the sense if I sign up to UTA 100 mile A and I we both put our stones in, we will. You reckon get. Accepted into UTMB, the luck and then next thing out, you know, Courtney, you and I are figuring out logistically how to do this podcast from Chamonix in France out of UTMB, and I'm crying and panicking as I go. How do you use running poles? How? Do you use?
Well, I'd hope you'd work that out before you get there. And actually Poles, yeah, that's something you do. You ever run with poles? Never run with poles. I mean, I had poles on a few times. We had poles snowshoeing. Right. But you've never like because you see people really clipping along with them. Yeah, I mean, most of the Australian runs, there's nothing. Nothing worth. There's nothing pulling them
out. I mean, those who are out for a long time and are hiking up the hills of some of the ultras, you know, probably grab them out. But generally for the shorter races. Sorry, I've just remembered something because I'll tell you how my brain arrived where we are. The running shoes or sorry, running poles and running kit, running tech. My mind went to mouth tape because no, no, no, but don't you think the bubbles burst? When was it like, don't you feel like the moment of? Mouth tape.
Sorry, nasal breath, the nasal strips, I feel like it's done. I feel like it's popped. I don't feel like, I mean, I realise we're about to, you know, annoy people and probably raise it again. But for a while there it was everywhere. And now I feel like they've shut up. Maybe they've put the nasal
strips over their mouths. I would just say the algorithm, I just said no, maybe that's it. But no, the other reason that brought it on is that did you say a little while back there was some doctors, doctors, I'm just laughing, doctors coming off and saying that people who are taping their mouth shut at night, oh, it's probably dangerous. Doctors have come out and said that like. Your mouth shut or your nose? Shut. No, no 'cause you know there's people. Yes, yes. Two separate things.
Nose nasal strips that people say helps you run. Mouth. And then mouth tape, which people use at night they reckon improve their sleep. But doctors have now since come out and said. Maybe not the best I'd. Probably don't tape your mouth shut. Why are you sleeping? There's no strong evidence that it helps improve sleep and that this sleep doctor has said that there are other things you should probably try rather than taping your mouth shut.
Like a CPAP machine or prescription mouth peeps pieces that can open your mouth instead of taping your mouth. I just loved it. For me that was everything. All the that whole Instagram running world. I'm like, don't tape your mouth shut. So you haven't seen a nose strip on his hand for a while? Or more importantly, in the street on runners. For a long the Esplanade. The the last. That's where they were. Popping.
The last runner I saw with a nasal strip was probably me when I stared in the mirror because you bought some and made me wear them. Anyway, shout out to your nasal strip runners. Bear Grylls, let's bear up to. Back around, Brett Doherty shared this one. Bear Grylls. He's got together with his company, I think, and they're doing the world's deepest marathon. What the world's deepest? If I said to you the world's deepest marathon, what are you thinking? I assume it's underwater.
No, in a mine. Ah yeah, that makes more sense. Yep. So three weeks. When was this? Three weeks to go? Three days ago. So they're three weeks out. Taking marathon running to another level. History awaits. So I looked at the map. Runners will descend 1120 metres below sea level, enduring temperatures of up to 28°, with natural light replaced by head
torches. The route takes them 1.92, so it's pretty much 2 kilometres to a turn around point where they'll make their way back and they'll do this 11 times. Does this interest you? OK. Yeah, a 4K loop. I guess so. That's the thing that doesn't interest me. I like the idea of this is cool, this is something different, this is an experience. I like it. I'd the idea of doing a 4K loop for a marathon distance. No, not appealing to me in the slightest.
Loop loops not at circuits as a as a distance look if it was a, if it was a 10K circuit, if it was a 15K circuit, maybe, But 4K circuits? I'm getting bored. I'm getting bored. I do like the idea of taking it underground though. I think this is cool. I was looking. For it was, so it's in Sweden. Sure, yeah. I mean, it's cool. It's different. I mean so I. Think a 4K loop I'm sure. No idea here, just talking about but Australia's got to have better shafts to go and run a
marathon. We must like some of our minds would be just mad. Just chop that up, chop that up for a real Australia's got to have better shafts, he said. Yeah, I'll probably do. We'd have to have there. Would someone who's in mining, if you listen, tell us what's the longest loop you could do underground in Australia? Because maybe this is an idea I can see. You said told me there's a mining mob, there's some site out. No, but they're doing it on,
they're doing it on top. Still, there's no. Running track out there doesn't count. OK, It's got to be underground, all right. If you've got some of the big, I'm going to go some of the big holes, some of the big holes in the shafts if you ran from the bottom of them or I've got a feeling some of them are pretty long. Don't talk about feelings lost. Don't talk about feelings with this conversation.
I want to know anyone who knows what is the longest loop we can run underground in Australian wine. Please beautifully avoided, beautifully danced around. That's no, no, no, the I admire it. And this is this is where we're at. We got, you know the world of running now has two of the big toys of running Garment and Strava, suing each other. Now you've got people exploring marathons underground. We've officially hit peak, hit peak running mode.
Yep. To take that local, just want to give a shout out to the Cup coming up at Naring. This is our local race of the week, so October the 25th. So what's that? Three weekends away, give or take two weekends away and talk about loops. Shout out Steve Gannon do great event. Organiser. Yep. So he does it. He does it better than most. What do they do? Let me see. We've talked about this plenty of times before. I think it's about a 1.25 K loop.
You keep running it, they drop, you drop certain. People, I think you're guaranteed of running about 10K it's you can you get you get to run about 10K before they start making the cut and then at the end of each lap from then on the last couple of runners get cut until it's down to the the fuck I can't remember the final race is. Called alright and I've just seen the map so they also do.
I always thought it's just the one loop, but but they've got a few different loops by the look of it here, that around the the criterium track and around. Yeah, yeah. Because there's different hills, different ways you can run it
and everything. Yeah, if the thought of getting out and about and deep in Bush or in mountains or something like that is a bit intimidating for you, something like The Cut is a perfect opening into that world because you stay local, you stay in the one spot it's it's safe and it's a nice way into that endurance, real endurance side of the running world. A couple of other things we need
to talk about. I know you want to shout out The Cut, but also we should give a big shout out to anybody taking on the Melbourne Marathon this weekend. Yes. So Melbourne marrow, I'm fascinated. Like I cannot wait to see next weekend's episode. I'm looking forward to being out of sharing some cool stuff from the Melbourne Marathon because I think off the back of what Gold Coast delivered this year into Sydney being a major, I expect Melbourne to meet that
challenge. Do you know what I haven't seen? I haven't seen Melbourne on my social. No, neither have I but. Prior to Sydney, I was sick of Sydney. No, honestly, yeah, I'd had enough. They went hard. I'd had enough. They went hard. Gold Coast probably in the middle, Yep. But Sydney was to the point where I was like, I just don't want to. Like this is just all the same
to me now. I don't want to see it, whereas I can't say I've seen Melbourne. No, and that's why I'm interested to see how the event plays out because I would argue that I think Melbourne's probably home to more or if not as many more influencer runners than Sydney. I think there's a lot of them based in Melbourne. So I'm really interested to see what Melbourne churns out from a content perspective. See, I'm going to do a quick
test. I'm going to click into our in the Beginning podcast, which I haven't for a while either, So it will give me a good algorithm read. I wouldn't like 5000. Yeah, we're getting up there. Get behind us. Yeah, people are listening. This is good. I can't work. Hey, look, I'll. Tell you what I'll say is 0. Look, OK, look, this is a good 'cause we, this is a Instagram. So you talk about algorithms, right? This is a good guide because we only use this for this podcast
and running, yes. So it's not like our personal one, it's not attached and whatever else. My first I've gone in here, the first thing I've seen is the Suck Saucony Saucony maze run. Each which we've talked about. First thing, I've been spammed. Second thing, oh sunto files lawsuit against Garmin. What? When's that from? Alleging that five of it's patents were infringed upon. Garmin's under the pump.
Garmin's legal ways continuous Sunto claims in a lawsuit that it's patents, including one for an antenna design with. We are literally, we are literally learning about this on the fly here. We had a little bit of prep for the Strava Garmin. So I've I've I've copped these are suggested for me. So the first one we obviously we follow Sokconi, then I've been spammed with SA Garmin. Then the next one I've been Strava has popped up just a a random post. But not a lot of Melbourne.
Triathlon we have been doing, you know, obviously we've been talking triathlon, but I'm, I'm seeing 0. Well, here's here's what I'll say to any. E Bike riders in QLD. Well, here's what I'll say to anybody that's running. Melbourne here we go. I've got Melbourne. Who? Cam Merrick. Cam. That rings a bell. Didn't. Cam win the yeah the. City, just yeah, I was going to say he was, he was your Japan winner. Yes. So he's yeah. So there you go. It's it's there.
Here's. What I'll say to anybody that's running Melbourne this weekend that listens to the podcast, tell us how you went. Tell us how it was. Give us a first hand account. Give us your experience of the event. And if you've run it, especially if you've run it before, how did it compare this year to previous years? Because I I would expect it to have lifted its game to have elevated off the back of rising
tide lifts all ships. The the running boom has lifted Gold Coast marathon to another level, certainly took Sydney to another level as a major. I would expect it to do the same at at Melbourne. Wait and see. The other thing, The other event we should chat out is the JC50, which is happening here this locally this weekend. It's not an event. The 50 is not an A part, an event that appeals to me on the front, on the just on the front, just because it's my regular run.
It's a great place to run. It's. Beautiful. And if you've never run it before, it's not your local. Get out there and get into it. I mean, it's sold out. They don't need help. Interesting one. I mean, I, I think it's amazing we've got all these events to. Choose from the same weekend. Yeah, or there's just so much choice. It's an interesting one, a 50K road race. Though, because, well, it's an ultra. But it's for, I mean, it's a trail distance. 50K is a trail
distance. So then go and put it. It's kind of like just make it a marathon. Like no one. Like who? Who? There's no. Differentiation then. No, but like, yeah, I bet I can guarantee you if you're running that 50K you're gonna go through on your Strava or on your what was my marathon? Yeah, in the end, just make it a marathon. Make it a half, make it a marathon. That's road running. Leave. Leave the trail distances. Our our our Mara, our Mara series queen Bronte is doing the half.
This week ago she's running the half. She has she improved? Have you chatted to her? She. She went off running for a little bit. She had a little bit of a running dip and she was trading to the gym into a, you know, back into some team exercising. No, no, no, not with the PT and back into group sessions. Really enjoying that camaraderie. Yes. And then she started finding her way back into running. And it was interesting. She said to me in the office, I
think I'm done with running. And I'm like, you're not. And then next thing I know, she says I'm signed up for the half at the GC 50. But interestingly, she actually jumped in with some friends of hers were doing a a fundraising run from Brisbane to Byron last weekend just gone. Yeah. And she jumped in for I think she said she jumped in for 16 or 20. OK with them on the run so fresh. Fresh off the bat. Just fresh jumped in, got them out there's. A lot going on all right.
Anyway, that's us done for another week. Again, Look, we don't we we've sort of eased up on the push but and if you got to this stage, chances are you're already subscribing. But if you've got some people in your life that is just getting into the running boom, go tell them to listen from episode 1. That's the preferred way to listen. We want you to listen from the start all the way through. Yeah, and those triathletes out there, if you you listen and go into Noosa, that's right.
We've had a few more episodes drop on the Wednesday with Dan Atkins. Exactly. And if you are that bloke that ran past me earlier in the week, please come find me when I'm running next time so so I can prove to you. Feel, feel. Free to call Liam out anytime. Alright, see you. Next week.