EP50 - SYDNEY MARATHON DEBRIEF

In the beginning episode 50, we're coming up on 12 month anniversary. Coming up to a year. Coming up to a year. Did you say we got there yet? No, we're not there yet. It. Could be blow up after this week Liam. We this is let's let's title this out. Sydney Mara debrief post Sydney This is where we're at our first ever live show. Was a cracker. Morning was. It just can we give and look, I'm wearing a bit of merch for those that are watching the

video AG one. We can't thank you guys enough for making the effort to get us down there. Give us the opportunity not only to be a part of your Sydney Marathon plans, but to allow us to sit down with Andy Buchanan for an hour. He's a good talker, isn't he? I mean, you. OK, let's start with you first, OK? You were on fire. You were you the your your reaction to some of the your quips were just quick. Good mate. I mean, you carried me well, 100% carried me that morning.

I'll take the compliment this would. I would also say this is in the same way when you we go trail running in Nerang and you carry me through there because you're an elite athlete and that's your background. This is radio. This is what I've been doing for the last 13 years. So thank you. No, no, you were amazing. Andy was also amazing. He is a great chat. He want to hear more about I.

Want to hear more? And look, we have laid the tracks so that Andy knows that next time he's up on the Gold Coast, there's an open door policy to the podcast for him because there's still so many. I mean, even after we stopped recording that morning, we then kept talking to him and there were so many more things that. We could do 3-1 hour episodes are still not good there. Plus I need to take him running on the Gold Coast and show him Narang. You do. Still not happy with Gold Coast?

Is he running? Reputation of Gold Coast running is in your hands for Andy Buchanan. But yeah, there were still so many things. And look, as we record this, we are still counting down to the World Championships, athletic World Championships happening in Japan. We're crossing everything for

him. We really are crossing everything for him that this injury comes together and allows him to run at the World Jazz. And I mean, he gave us the exclusive really to him, you know, he's, you know, injury. And when he first came up and told us before and the the interview I saw with the podcast, I was like your. Face went white. Because what he was explaining I I've just been through for the last year and then.

I'll, I'll talk. A little bit more when we talk about running, but I had another scare last week right before we went down. I'd taken a few days off because everything's good, everything's good. We're still rolling. But I did have a little bit of a scare. So I I know a little bit of what he's thinking, but on a whole different situation because I'm not going for the world champs anymore.

A whole different. Scenario it was look again, if you haven't listened to it and if this is your first episode for in the beginning, welcome. Go back and listen the last weeks because what Andy gave us the stories, the Ellie Kipjoge Portolo story I've been telling people like it was my own. You know, he's he gave so much and again we are going to look to have him on and another time where we can talk to him more and to Erica and Clint as well. They were brilliant.

I've had some great feedback from people saying they want to hear more in in the space of what Erica started to go into. Yes, yes. So women's nutrition is definitely not our expertise. No, it's not. But it's something we're going to, in the future want to cover more on the show for those who are listening that are

interested in that area. Let's talk Sydney Marathon, the TCS major, major number seven, the first one ever held in Australia. I want to get did you watch it Because you flew back, You flew out of Sydney after we finished up. What did you did you get a chance to watch much? Of it I went out running.

Myself. Yeah, which I'll, yeah, I went out from a long run in the forest on Sunday morning, come home, watch the last half an hour and I wanted to get a, an idea what was going on. So it was on 7 mate live, you know, all the, all the usual Australian athletics crew commentating and everything else. What I will say, and I know you've said this to me, the major had to be Sydney. It had to be.

I mean that finish line, just like the Sydney Olympics in 2000 when the triathlon was the first event that finished down there at the Opera House. It is. What internationals recognise as Australia? Yep. Fortunately or unfortunately, that is the fact and it can't be anywhere else. This is where I need to put my hand up. I got it wrong. Little over a little under 12 months ago. We sat here in one of these episodes and I half heartedly attempted to say that Gold Coast

should be the major marathon. Why isn't Gold Coast being ambitious enough to push to be the major marathon here in Australia? It it, it can't be anywhere else. No Gold Coast. Gold Coast is where you come to run in paradise. To run in paradise, Gold Coast is if you're a runner who wants to hit APB, if you're a runner who wants to have a great family holiday is part of this. If you want to do some running tourism, I couldn't recommend the Gold Coast enough.

But if you want to run a major big city marathon, it had to be Sydney. I've I had that revelation and we'll go back because I was I went down there marathon morning and I'll I'll talk to you a bit about that morning. But on the Saturday you flew out on the Friday came back to the Gold Coast. I stuck around and Friday night I went down to the Expo and that alone for anybody that's ever been to a major event exhibition, these things are they're big. They're it's kind of like

walking through IKEA. You follow the path and you go and visit every single booth on the way. The ASIC section alone at the Sydney Marathon Expo. That was, that's the biggest, it's this biggest sports store as I've ever been in. It was huge. It was enormous. The Expo was great. But Saturday morning I got up early. It was my birthday. I got up early and put the shoes on. And the great thing was my wife wasn't getting in till sort of Saturday afternoon.

So I had the whole morning. And so I threw the shoes on and I just started running and I the plan was to get down for the unofficial run club shake out run over in Kirribilli to see what that was like because they'd teamed up with New Balance, big run club 60 odd 1000 follows on Instagram. Big brand like New Balance. I wanted to see what that looked like and that didn't. It was huge.

Well, you called me, I called you showed me like you Facetimed me video FaceTime me, showed me and I was a whole. It was a couple of 1000 people for a 4K shakeout run. There was all the things that we love about running, Energy, different shoes, great vibes, positivity. There was all the things you and I don't like about running people with boom boxes on their back. Oh. Really. Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah. There were boom.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. There were some people carrying handheld ones, and then this one fellow came past with a full blown backpack. Wow. And now if I'm going to be critical, and this is, look, we're going to be honest about this. We're not. I'm not going to sugar coat things. I saw the novelty in it. My flag on it was though, he was running really quick. Like I ran with him for a bit. Now I didn't have a marathon to run the next day. I ran with him for a bit.

He was running sub 420 pace with his marathon on his back. So with all the hype and excitement, I was running along going this is fast. Like if there's anybody here who's planning on just getting through tomorrow, you're running too fast for them, the like. And I get you're trying to build excitement. I'm, this is kind of quick running, but I got down to the activation down in the Rocks because you ran over the Harbour Bridge.

And that's when I had the realisation that Sydney had to be the major because I'm running across the Harbour Bridge. And I was, and I ran past these two girls who were saying, one was saying one was clearly doing the marathon, the other wasn't. And the one who wasn't doing the marathon looked to her friend and said, you, that's where you're going to be tomorrow.

You're going to be out there in the middle on the road running over the Harbour Bridge. And at that point I looked down, I saw the Opera House. I'm like, it had to be Sydney. Yeah, it just had to be. So anyway, you got down into the Rocks activations left front and centre. Oh, my, it was a saturation point on another level. So well, go, go through, go through your morning because because I yeah, I mean, you're talking about unofficial there, but black sheep I saw had a run down there.

They looked like they had thousand a, you know, 1000. I don't know. We're guessing at numbers here, I mean. We we just, we just take whatever but 35. But 35,000 people competing in the marathon means that to some extent there would have been 20,000 plus out and about on Saturday morning doing something. Doing something? Unofficials it it the big do you know what sort of I took away from unofficials shakeout run with this 2000 plus Asian

running is strong. The Asian presence in that run out in that shakeout run, it was enormous. And I, you know, we know we saw with the Gold Coast half Marathon, Chinese airlines sponsoring that and the presence of the Taiwanese run as we saw at the Gold Coast Marathon as well, so much so that they had a, a Chinese translator on the

finish line. That's the level of Asian presence, the Chinese presence they have the Gold Coast Marathon. Looking around at the unofficial Run club shakeout, I was like, there is a really the Asian community has turned out in numbers for this event and for this. I wonder if that's normal each week or whether. That's, I don't know what is that people flying. In because we know that I mean, the great thing is up, up in the North, right, all through the Asian countries, running is life.

Huge. You know, you go to Japan. Running is life. It's school. Every day your lives got run. I got down to once I got round to the activation in the rocks for an official. I then just started looking around and there was a Lululemon was having another activation around the corner.

But then at one section down at Circular Quay, there there was what at a rough guess would have been a team of 150 runners just from the Philippines, who all in their in country kit, all in their country kit, all doing a their own version of a shakeout, a stretch out. And I'm like, that's like, you know, the idea of 150 people from one country all jumping on a plane together as a group for this event.

And again, it just it's another what reason why I kind of went it had to be. Sydney that that's one day something that we should unpack is really dive into Ju Japan specifically, but Asian countries in general just running and. The running culture. The culture. And and, you know, Ekinen relays running at school, you know, the whole the marathon, like what the marathon means up there to them.

And it's just a whole, you know, we talk about a running boom here in Australia. Running has been there in those countries. You know, it's been there for many. I mean, if you go to Japan, there's running marathons, one of the biggest events. They come out to watch Just like you'd go to watch cycling in Europe, they come out to watch the Echidan Relays in Japan.

I know now this might be. I'm going to allow breaths in this next little bit just in case you decide you want to edit this out, which should serve as a tease for anybody about to listen. I know that we have influential people that listen and watch this podcast, right? People decision. Making you're not going to drop

any names. I'm going to, I'm not going to drop any names, but I am going to throw something out because you talk about running culture and the way it changes and differs in different communities. This is an idea I had a couple of years back before In the Beginning as a vlog, Netflix, Apple TV series, right? And I think it's where In the Beginning hits the road. Six part series exploring running culture tied in with a

major race. Doesn't have to be a marathon across the different cultures throughout the world. So I look at the Sprint culture here in Jamaica. What's that? What's the track called? What's the coaching club called? I can't remember the Kingston. Anyway, that's one episode Sprint culture in Jamaica in the Caribbean. Why is it what is it We find there's a race connected in there.

We go to Oregon, the track community, the culture of track in Oregon in the United States. Why it is what it is Asian running community trail in Europe. There's all I'm saying is if there's somebody out there that can picture this in their mind slide into the DNS. He's pitching Courtney and I, he's. He's pitching. No, it's it's it's it's great. Talk about that idea. I have. I made a trip to Japan now. It was pre COVID.

Yeah. And I went there for a race and I think I've mentioned on the podcast before, I went there for a race which was up 3333. Oh yes, yeah. Up to a I've watched that video, you know, up to a monastery. Yeah. So I shared the video. But what I never short shared was I actually went on the road for another seven days after that, visiting certain places in Japan that either one I thought was going to be great running or two had some kind of uniqueness to running.

So I went and visited where the marathon monks are from up in the temple. Who are the marathon monks? Exactly. Another whole story. It's about the monks up there. Go through this process and I'd have to go back in my notes to see, but it's literally they run a marathon over. So it's for 1000 days. Yeah, they run a marathon. I'm not quoting directly here, but and then as once not. Every day. Every day in the mountains and then when they get.

Stealing Ned Brockman's idea. When they get to 100 days, they like I think they would do it like at least it happens Ave so they do it for 100 days, I believe and then they start running 2 double it up. Let let me get the proper facts on this and come back to you. But I've got a whole seven days worth of content there that I never released. You've already filmed. Already filmed, ran up there in the marathon among trails. We went up, up into the the

glaciers. I've caught up in talk about running culture in Japan. I actually caught up with Roy Uweda, who's the best trail runner in Japan. Just was. I think he might have just got 4th or 5th at CCC at ETMB, ran up Mount Fuji with him. He took me to his local trails where he grew up running. Courtney, what are you doing? You've already filmed my TV

show. There's no name for us to pitch it. Anymore, if there's someone out there, a good editor who wants to have a have a dig, I just don't have the time to get through it. But sure, yeah, we've got it all there and it's just ready to go. So maybe that's one for another day to release. I this is and again, we're giving it away for free, but this is what's next for this is another branch of the running boom tree that's there to be created because aside from what is it on Netflix? Sprint?

The the what's that run? What's the mini series called about Sprint? I love the Barkley Marathon's doco that's on YouTube. There's a lot of trail run, there's a lot of stuff on YouTube. I'm sure there's got to be other. Stuff but from a not pop culture, but from a an accessible to everybody, digestible video content. There's not a lot of great stuff out there. Oh, there is no no. No, no, there's.

No, you know there's not you. You could not spend enough time on YouTube. Hey, getting back. Let's get back to Sydney. I don't know how we got there. Let's get back to Sydney. You mentioned times on the Sydney Marathon course and that if you want to run fast you go to Gold Coast. Yes. So I did notice. So I always obviously the people I know how they run and where they are, they're a lot of them are guys were running around that 220 mark. Yep, but they're probably more 215 runners.

I reckon the course was probably 4 to 5 minutes slower. Anyone who disagrees or let us know what you think. But I've got a feeling just looking at the times and the guys that I knew were running, you're probably losing 4 to 5 minutes of your normal marathon time out there on the course. David, David Rhodes, Rosie who yeah, what a Rosie was aiming for a sub three ran a three O 6, three O 6. So well, there you go. And that's that's probably it.

It holds true through a lot of people that I know that ran as well, probably 4 to 5 minutes off where they're expecting to run. Just because I do want to talk about my Sunday morning as well. To put a bow on Saturday, I ended up running around through the rocks, looking at the Hub, the Opera House where the 5K run was taking place on the morning, and then making my way back to where I was staying just through Centennial Park. Beautiful.

The vibe was unbelievable. Did you spot the goat at all? Not on Saturday, the energy was unbelievable and I it what sent me off to bed that night because I went and had lions gone into town. We had dinner and all the rest of it and it was great, but it sent me off to bed that night so excited for the marathon day. I wasn't running. I got I didn't get huge pangs of jealousy. I did get the I did get a little a few moments seeing people on you running. It would be cool to be out there

about to finish a major. Yep. Before you, before you get to Sunday, have you checked your emails this morning? I know what you're talking about. Let's stay with my birthday. It's the. 30th of August because we're going into Liam's birthday and for Full disclosure, I have Liam knew this as well. I'd put an alarm on to make sure I remembered this is Liam's birthday and then Liam's of the FaceTime me that morning showing me this fun run or fun this that was shake out.

I've got off the phone and then about 10 minutes later my alarm goes off. I'll ring you back and go on, Liam. Yeah, that was great. I am bloody hopeless, but what I have done, and I don't know if this is great for the pod because you you've been our non non premium member for Yeah, I have, but Liam is now he's got a year's worth of. Premium. That's my gift to you, Liam. Thank you, Courtney. This is very generous. Liam Flanian gifted.

Oh, Liam, I gifted it to myself, according to the email. But no, I have 12 months subscription to premium Strava. I'm gonna get stuck in. Yeah, I'm gonna look. I'm gonna use and abuse this for the next 12 months and see what value premium really. Gives you well you don't realise it has took it out of your expenses. Oh, it's an expense. That's why it's from you.

Yeah, thank you. That's very generous And and I am excited and and yeah the the vibe that I had out of Saturday, my birthday, going into the next morning woke up packed up because we were flying out that morning at about 10 thirtyish. So we're going to head straight from where we were unintentionally. We kind of headed to Centennial

Park now. For those that don't know the course you come into, you kind of ran across the bridge and down and then in and around the rocks a little bit headed out S towards Maroubra before coming back towards he. Pretty much got multiple aspect points to watch the race. Yeah, if a lot. It was a really strong spectating course outside of the city because you had these different corners and turns where you where you could see your runners or you could see the lead pack.

We positioned ourselves at the entrance to Centennial Park, which we, I didn't think about, but it was the 30K mark. And for if you've listened to our marathon's run to the Gold Coast Marathon Series, that's where the race starts. So it was a really, in hindsight, a really interesting spot to position ourselves because when they, when the lead men's pack came into the park, Elliot Kipchogo was in it. By the time they finished the Centennial Park loop, Elliot

Kipchogo had been dropped. So it was a fascinating just for me to go, oh, wow, this is where the race started. And look, that's where the GOAT dropped so. Question because you obviously there was other people around you. It was packed. So when you when they ran in there, yes, everyone's cheering. Yep. When they ran out of there, Yep. Was there allowed to cheer for him being dropped then the front runners? The the, the crowd, the crowd was cheered louder and harder for him.

But Eliot Kipchoge, when he ran past now, he was only maybe 50 to 70 metres behind the front pack by that point, but. There was a. Noticeable, but it was a lift. And here's the other thing, which is why I like I, I don't want to say I got emotional about it, but I did get the, the feeling in me was as high as it was all morning. Eliot Kipchoge running out of Centennial Park. Huge roar. Him smile from either ear he's 34K deep into a marathon thumbs big both arms outstretched

thumbs up to the crowd. It was amazing I've got the video I'll get the I'll we'll get this you do your thing and we'll get but him with two thumbs up as he's running huge smile I I just got like I looked around I'm like this is what's great about running. This is what's great about this sport. I also came up with a theory at that point. And and again, Stefan Hassan, same thing. Much different, much more different. I saw her finish on TV, she is

amazing. The the women's winner, the Dutch runner, African born her, that was more of a race because obviously I can't remember the name of the woman that came runner up, but by the time they exited the park there was only two women in the lead pack. So she didn't have that. She's not at Elliot Kipchoge's level, but it was much more of a race. But the way she finished, the energy, the effort, all the enthusiasm, she is just somebody to get around. She was cooked at the end.

Hey, she ran herself. Absolutely fastest ever marathon on Australian soil by a female. Yep and the runner up ran the fastest time as well. Prior to whatever it was. First time all females ever gone under 220 on Australian soil. But so the vibes were great and but I've been thinking about it. I'm like why is this? Why is running different to footy? Now I'm at footy every weekend. The difference and I figured it out, the difference in footy

versus running. Even if you set yourself to try and beat a mate in a race or even if you have a whatever, no one's ever cheering against another runner if you go to a footy game on the weekend. Oh, you mean now it's booing them? You are, Well, it's not even not booing, but if you go to a game of footy on the weekend in any team sport where it's head to head like that, not only do you want your team to win, you want the opposition to lose. That doesn't exist in running you don't like.

No one would have been out there watching Kipchoge every like people out there who want to Kipchoge to win the race or any of the other runners to win the race would have been cheering for their runner to win the race. They would not have been, I don't think. I like to think that their brain wasn't going.

I hope he doesn't win. All their brain is focused on their wanting their athlete to do well and similarly when their mate runs past and let's say their mate is targeting at PB, nowhere in their brain does that thought enter of. I think that's a from a very participation base. I reckon if you went to the World Championships trackmate in Tokyo in in a few weeks time, that scenario is not the same. You still? Yeah. Maybe from the crowd. Yeah, that's what I'm thinking

from within. Within the elite area. But when the competitors. Of course are a bit different. But I but for most team sports as a spectator, and I think that's why the energy around a marathon is so positive and so different to most other sporting events, is because everybody wants the best for everybody. You're only really racing yourself in the clock. I did make a note, and the particular note I made at 2 hours 11 on the T, so 2 hours 11

in the race. So at the clocks just ticked over 2 hours 11. You've seen the winners come across the line. The Opera House steps looked packed. It looked amazing. And I thought, wow, that's they've killed it. Yeah. Then they showed a drone shot 5 minutes later of the Opera House. Yeah. Not as packed as what you believed. Oh. Really. No, interesting what I want to say. Running is still a participation sport. Yes, You were out there, you're

in the crowd. People were watching, family were watching, but there were 30,000 people out there running. Yeah. So yes, people, they're there to watch, but people are there to run and I it it. That's what got me thinking right on that time. I looked and I was like, oh, what they've done it, They have.

It's jam packed in that. But it was the camera angle and when they went out a little bit and then then it got me thinking, well, is that just because the winners are finished and everyone watching the crowd is still up in the city watching their own friends, family and everyone else racing? I don't know, maybe that's that's the case that's spread out. But I just imagined world major finish line at the Opera House, the first runners come across.

I thought it would be, you know, fighting for room. Yeah, it wasn't not the case. OK, there was a crowd, but not as built out as I thought it would be, which is why I still say we talk about running a lot. It is still first and foremost a participation report, which is an absolutely great thing. Yeah, it's a great thing. Can I just do before I forget? Because I bumped, I met him, not met him. I'd met him before, but I bumped into him in the Oh, yes, instant

in your park is young. Young fellow by the name of Jack. Yeah. Jack wasn't who was not who you probably think of, but young fellow by the name of Jack. Jack Eagle. Shout out to Jack. I hope this is getting you to sleep. Is Dad Brian or Ryan's his name, but we'll call him Brian. Brian has run UTA 50 and 100 a couple times. He's play fully with Brian Jack goes just like listening to In the Beginning podcast. That's what we that's what we do to.

So I just want to say to Jack, if you listen to this one big shout out, it was good to see you. Good night. And also can I do I give a shout out to our man Rady, who set a Guinness World Record at the Sydney Mara for the fastest marathon ever, dressed as a surfer, carrying a board with him the whole way. He ran a 317 with a surfboard in thongs. So he has beaten that record by I think almost an hour and a. Half. Was he wearing those special sandals? No, no, like the Archie Thongs,

I think the Archie they. Didn't have the carbon play. No, no, no. This Highland ones we've talked about, No, You also ran into Kendall. Boyd I did run into Kendall This is again let's get I'll I'll do some more shout outs of people I bumped into Kendall I bumped into in the Expo on the Friday. It's great to see Kendall. I met his young fella Kendall was telling me all about his trail running through Thailand, how he got into the podcast. He was great. He.

How did he get into the podcast? Did I just put you on the spot? Remember, Hey, don't worry because I've got something he is throwing you under the bus later on, which I'm. Going to love get to that we'll. Get to that. Before we and one more shout out because I don't, I didn't get his name, but as I was exiting Centennial Park heading for the airport, going to get the Uber, I did get one fella. I don't know your name. I hope you're listening.

You were, you were the bloke that shouted out Liam in the beginning and I was like good so. He he recognised it. Well, one of my mates was out there running and gave us a little bit of a spinners Brett Hennings in the beginning podcast. Shout out to you boys. Just about to hit 30 KS. I've been on the bus all morning. I've had that mindset for the last couple of months thanks to your podcast. So it doesn't matter how many of these things you do, there's always something you can learn.

So thanks boys, keep it up and I'll see how we're finishing this last one. OK, I was going to try to send it. So that I would have been, I would have been standing where Brett recorded. Right right there at the 30 game. He ended up finishing three O 8. So the story behind him is he's done a lot of my photography for Red Bull. Oh. Great. Not an endurance athlete, not not getting into mid midlife and he's found Ironman. He's found, right.

And then all I see on his, we used to look all, see all the photos he'd take 'cause he's like, you know, shoots Toby Price out and think, yeah, done our running back in the day. So all the images, a lot of Red Bull stuff. And here he is now all he posts. And then marathon, running, triathlon, everything else. I said, mate, always happy to grab the camera. Yeah, you can do the running for us. Yeah. 308 fifties run for for someone newish to it, that's a great run so.

Straight away I said you've got to be thinking about 3 hours now. Yeah, the other one that come up, this was sending by Tamara, 3rd place in the men's, fourth place in the men's race, first Chinese across the line and I've forgotten the the 4th 1 all wore a Chinese carbon plate. They're back. From X step. X step. X step.

So not the ones we've we've known, but they must be pumping some money in. But just like cars and the four wheel drives and the utes and everything else coming into Australia, they're going to take over soon. Just bringing them up. They're going to take over soon. They're he. They're coming. They're coming. They got marked. My words. Look again, as we always say about shoes, Find what works for you. Don't, don't, don't fall. Follow along blindly.

Find what works for you. Well, interesting. You know, there's one mix we talked about really early on that you tried, and my brother still runs in them. Yeah, still loves them. I've taken them off Timo. Oh. What? You can't buy them anymore. Yeah, this was like just this morning, we're talking about it. You can't buy them anymore.

So I I said, well, if you're looking for a Chinese shoe, probably go down to well, it's not Chinese, but like that Kip run from Decathlon, I reckon give it a shot at a premium price. But anyway, here's this. One quickly before we move, do you have any other thoughts on Sydney because I do have a a bit of a summation that I want to make. Go for it. How will it go next year? I'm going to start off with the biggest in. We said it's saturated. The brands went all in. Brands.

Brands went heavy. The biggest one, or the one I think that would have cost the most money was from ON. On. I I look I have no idea but I'm going to take a stab. It could have been a 600 to 800,000 K exercise for. Them do you know what I and the what's the price of a pair of feet? I don't know, but I think it worked because my perception of honours changed. Really. Did you go down? You didn't.

See that I saw I saw a bit of on stuff around the place, but I'm starting to think and look, Clint was a part of it. Clint. Oh, he means who runs in on. Talking about it on these. I've always thought of them as I don't know what I never took them. I don't want to say I never took them seriously as a running trip, but it's certainly something I've never considered running in. Whereas I'd be open on, now I'd be able to give them. A marketing hit, The money spent

on being there. It's converted. One pair of feet. People running, yeah, you'd give them a shot. Yeah, openly. And I think, and look, that's what I mean. I don't think we'll ever see the marketing spend dip around the TCS Sydney Marathon now because it's a major now and I think whether it's on again next year or another brand that sees the opportunity or the value in converting runners, someone's going to spend the money. What I'm thinking more about is it's the first time it's a major.

It was would have been a lot of I think you would have had a lot of people who'd run the other six who will wanted to complete the set. You I don't think you're as likely to get the repeat business from those runners for next year. Further to that, Elliott Kipchogay probably not there next year. It was a perfect storm. It was a perfect storm.

So how does Sydney, that's the and this is the responsibility the the organisers now have to deal with short of getting me to host the finish line with my mate Pete Murray. What? How are they going to maintain or elevate that that race next? Year. Do you know who was the doing the finish line? Pete Murray? No, Pete. Was there, He was there. 'Cause I saw him pull out, I saw him on the TV, the TV grab a sneaky. Selfie with Elliot. That's probably not. I saw that. Probably not kosher.

Hey. Yeah, Yeah, Pete. Yeah. Anyway, if you can, you can. Who else is doing it? Dave Colbert. Oh, yeah. But Dave's always there for the broadcast. Dave's, I mean, he was there on the line and he was there for, he was there on the line, so. On on the Gold Coast. So, yeah, So what you said around that, I think I was a perfect storm. It was it was the investment in it from the brands was I knew it would be there, but it was larger than I expected.

But with that perfect storm of first time Khichobe, everyone coming out, Hassan running, we don't know whether it's it's peak yet. We don't know whether it's not. I don't think it is. We don't know where it's sort of go, but at some point just, you know, you can't just have exponential growth forever. So at some point that's going to come back and flatten out a little bit. So at that point then, yeah, you think, well, what happened? But you know, look, it's a major now.

It's going to continue. I'd be fascinated to see the breakdown of the demographic, the people that competed because looking at it and seeing the way Saifan Hassan engaged the running community in Sydney, you wonder whether female runners is the is the remains the bigger opportunity for the running

community around Sydney? Because I think we know run clubs are, you know, it's a dating scene and all the rest of it. But I look at what Saffan Hassan did from a personality perspective and that is my big takeaways. How many people interacted with her or saw her at things or watched her at things or listened to her things and just can't stop raving about it?

So from a mark ability perspective, if you can't get Ellie Kitroge back next year, or even if you do, has the shine worn off because you've already had him out here last year, right? Perfect Storm we're talking about. Is there a lever to pull around Safaan Hassan or other high profile female athletes and making them the centrepiece of your major event? Where do you go? I don't know, I don't know. I mean, even in the next 5 to 10 years, where do you go?

I mean, there's a bit like Usain Bolt, right? Yeah. Once they get there. Well, they're the, they're the, they're the, they're the GOAT. Like, so where do you until that that kind of, I suppose generation of people who are involved in running at the moment move on. Where do you go with what athlete that could come in and create that same impact? That would be my question. Yep. The question I got beyond that is if you took the GOAT. Yep. Oh, you had the chance to bring

Jelly Roll in? I'd still bring back the goat. I'd try and do both. I'd still bring back the goat. I think he generates more excitement. Still, is that because the marathon is the runner's race and the people there are runners like they want to be there, I think, especially with a major, right, I think. Even as I think in a marathon, Ellie Puchoga is a bigger celebrity than Jelly Roll could ever be. That's a big call. And that's that's my take. That's my take. I would.

That would be a great actually, if we remember, I might even put that up. OK, quickly, I just want to stay on the female thing for a moment because to to continue on that. Do you know who the first Aussie male across the lawn was? I I do, but I don't know his name. Robinson came in second, didn't he? So he, yes. So my only point being I know Leanne Pampiani was the first female across, but I also saw the storyline, the narrative about Jess Stenson and Sinead

Diver and the way and the. And Lisa Wightman. And Lisa Wightman and the carrying on of the storyline from the Olympics. So the female side of the major, I think generated more narrative and publicity and story than the males did. Just to take anyway. Anything else on the City Marathon? I think we can leave. It there time to move on. Time to move on. One, it's a segue. OK, let's take it as a segue because we mentioned, you mentioned how big ASICS went. Yes, we talked a lot about being

the ASICS marathon. Will Nike actually own the event? Yep. Then we just talked about the biggest investment we probably felt like we saw or that that's from a socials LED point of view I thought was on DO. You know who else? Oh, sorry, you keep going. Beyond not, I mean beyond still obviously every, everywhere because of the two athletes.

It just got me thinking again, coming back because we saw this about Nike and their pivot around coming back to support athletes first and then actually realising that going down the the route of trend and, and trying to follow they were lost. They they've they've admitted we got lost. We were trying to build bigger and now they've come back to athletes. I read this, which is really, I, I think just hits this on the on the head and I wanna know what

you think. So why does this matter for for Nike and branding? So when Nike sold lifestyle, it sold trend. When Nike sold sport, it's sold identity. Trends fade. Identity lasts. Brands that drift too far from their core risk becoming ordinary. I like it, it's very nice. So that was that was that was design Rush Mag put it out, but it's actually come from Nike. The source is Nike have said that themselves. When Nike sold lifestyle, it's old trend.

When Nike sold sport, it's old identity. Trends fade identity last. I like it. The other thing I would say about Nike is well is they're the they're the behemoth, they're the man Everest. They're the monster. They're the biggest thing in the in the room. But then they've just admitted we've gone off the track. So there's actually no need for them to ever look over their shoulder.

Yeah. Because if you're, if you're the biggest and, and that's it's a naive way or a simplistic way of looking at it, but if you're at in front, you can set the trends. You can now it's hard for you to turn. It's like I always talk about this. I work for a radio station now when the radio station can't pivot like a podcast can, radio station's got, it's like turning the Titanic versus turning a jet

ski. You, you're not that manoeuvrable with that's a disadvantage of working for a big company as opposed to being an independent. You don't have the manoeuvrability, but sometimes you don't, the moment you start to make a turn, all of a sudden it it can affect you for a very long time like that. So yeah, I like that. It sums up Nike. I didn't really notice Nike that much across the marathon. I would say the other brand I noticed quite a bit was New Balance. I thought New Balance did a

pretty nice job. And obviously where did they show up? Obviously I went to the Unofficial. They partnered with Unofficial and that's about buying audience. Essentially, they went and found a run club in Unofficial with a big audience and bought it. They bought the audience, they did, they bought the audience, and as a result I saw a lot of New Balance because it was something I got involved in, so I saw a lot of it. Hey, you said you got a a goodie

bag. Yes. Do you want to know what was in it? Yeah, I do. So this was from that run. New Balance supplied. Yep. So within that you got some Blistex, some lip balm, some Epsom salts, magnesium salts for your bath. Yeah, you got some protein gummies from Nature's Farm. Yep, you got some powdered hot chocolate. And that was about it, right? In a in a New Balance. In a New Balance bag. Now, having said that, the New Balance satchel bag, you know, it's like what?

You get a lot of athletic events slung over everyone's shoulder. Again, branding seemed like it was everywhere. Yeah, branding. But the activation down there, you got those food and there was drinking it was it? It felt, I did think it felt almost like you'd run the event. It did feel a little bit cut before the horse type stuff of like, oh, I feel like I've already run the marathon and this is the post event event or post race event.

But no, again, well done to all the brands that activated. I thought that everything I saw. Reflected the mood of the city and built on the mood of the city and the excitement about this race that happened on the Sunday. So Yep, it's fantastic. Hey, from a few weeks back, we'll keep on the shoe train here at the moment. So Adidas, Adidas were they had that thing to break the world, the challenge 100 to break the world record. They break the world record. Let's just say that.

Yep. The shoe that came out Evo Prime X, yes man, it's wild, and I love the fact they're using still Valtteri bought house as their main antagonist or protagonist in it all and he's I think he's I saw him doing something else there. Now they've just dropped off the back of UT MB, a new aggrove. We've never been able to say I've never been able to say that name the the terror, the trail

shoot. What I love is it came out, you know, when they've got a new car and they don't want to show the prototype of a car and it's got all the black. Yeah, literally, like camouflage black triangles all over it. That was the shoe. That's actually it was like, that's clever. It was really, really clever, so good on you for that one. But yeah, I just wanted to touch on that because I know we. They broke the they broke the 100 hundred record chasing 100. I still look, yeah, I have.

It hasn't come up in my algorithm. No, so they they they haven't really made. I was way more impressed with the triangles on the shoe. The shoe. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And talking about and then talking about Kendall. Lloyd Yes, my mate from the Expo. Look, we know you've got this target of trying to break 40, yes, for your 10K, which is a great target. I think I know when I might try and do it too. What? Was that? T100. On the Gold Coast, there's.

A 10K race as part of the T100 when it comes here in March, because I feel like I can't. You got to do it in a race. Flat, flat course, Flat course, Flat course. I can't just go out and do it on the front, I need to do it in a race anyway. Keep. Away a little bit of encouragement from Kendall. OK we had what date was this? 24th of August Australian race walking Junior championships were on Liam.

I don't like this already. OK, in the men's Isaac B Croft, he's walked a 3855. No, he hasn't. He's run that. He's run that. Yeah, can't run it. You can't walk a 3850 the. Junior Australian champion Liam has done this walking. I think you need to move your target. Oh, what to what to what? I have had so many people tell me. Give you advice. Try and tell me how to break 40 minutes. Where would you like a little bit more of that Yeah take.

So Darren Wallace I see runs out in Narang a little bit. He shared his 10K advice feeling so he recently got his 10 KPB at the GC30 with a 3951 well done dad. Then he ran the the GC Mara and got the same exactly the same time as Mara. So his strategy he said was spicy park runs with a mid rig threshold, a long run and a bit of MTV. I can sort that out with my clear bike. If you ever want to join in Liam and a gym session, Parky was a warm up look.

Over time it look well like what we said, it's progression over time. He increased the 350 pace, eventually hitting the sub sub 2030 for his park runs, using people around just to keep, you know, slowly getting better. Midweek he'd do a 15 minute warm up 3 * 2 KS. So that's a solid, very solid session and no longer than 90 minutes on his easy run. OK. He did the Wash Pool. Remember that run?

We're talking about the Wash Pool Ultra which was down in Coffs Harbour as my local race a few weeks back. So he's obviously putting in the Keeler now, 50 years old, 89 KG, always wears his shirts on, shirt on just to mention. And then the final, just to give you a little bit more motivation, he forgot to mention he did 1 high rocks last year and. He did a high rocks. Yeah, because he's a high hybrid rock star.

Yeah, hybrid rock star. That's almost That's at 1,000,000 views by the way, that reel of us, which is insane. Well, there's something in it, right? And we weren't talking about running exactly right, something else. But anyway, he's, yeah, lost, lost your encouragement of how to do it. But there's been plenty of people trying to help you out, Liam. Well, I'll jump into it right then because I am still running. Well, I'm feeling and I had another crack at Deke's quarters.

Yep, for those improvements. Improvements. Oh good. Yep, improvements. My execution score in fact, from my Garmin was 81%. It basically like it's so I've, I've got this as a workout set on my Garmin with the my speed ranges. And so the execution score at the end of your run determines how well you executed the workout. I failed on I think on the 8th. I'm just bringing it up in front of me while we talk about it. So my I was averaging 120 nines

one 30s on my 4 hundreds. I was keeping it sub 55 on my recoveries the two hundreds and then but on the 8th Rep I popped I was cooked. So I didn't actually complete the app 8th Rep but next time I will. Complete the app, you'll complete it. So you, well, you, this is the thing, right? You're starting to get, you're starting to understand where the limit is on the time, and you'll be able to adjust. Totally AM, and I'm also starting to understand the feeling I get during these sessions.

So for context for people, first time I did these D squatters. Now again to just backtrack and catch people up a little bit so they don't have to go back to when we first started talking about this. I had been doing the 400 metre reps with 100 metre walks in between. You said fine, but here's a better set.

You introduced me to the concept of the D like the 4th Rep by the 4th Rep with the 400 into a 200 float, I was tired like I was proper tied this Deke's effort just gone at the end of my 6th Rep I my legs were like felt lactic. I'm like this is this is tiring like I've hit at next level.

So I still managed to get through the recovery on the 6th Rep or the float on the 6th Rep and through the 7th Rep maintaining speed, but by it was literally almost like my 7th Rep at that pace I was aiming for and then the float I was done. I was like, I know this is my last Rep. I'll try to start the 8th Rep, but really I don't have anything

left to give. So and then it was interesting though, 'cause I still have a, a 10 minute cooldown programmed into the workout, cooling down at that might like 520 pace sort of thing. Feels like I'm stumbling, feels like I'm like, I feel like I'm almost running 630 pace. But it's amazing how quickly I got my breath back and adapted at 520 times move on and just and just then rolled out through

the 10 minutes. Think of think of the conversation you're going to have at the Gold Coast Marathon start line next year with Deke instead of going. I might, my calves are gone. I've been doing your session all year. Would you believe that I did Deke's toothbrush technique this morning as I was brushing my teeth at 3:30 this morning before I went into the radio show, I'm there and my calves going, Deke says. You've got to be able to hold it on my leg in the morning and

hold it on the other leg in the. Evening. Hey, I'm packing that watch thing you're talking about because I've never in my life programme my watch to a session. Really. So listeners will be have AI reckon a voice on this as well? I've never thought to programme my watch into the thing, but I was running, we were running fart like at the Spit on Tuesday. And Chloe, shout out. Chloe, I think she got, I was told she got ninth in the women's cross country Australian

championships just recently too. So the first bit of the session I was running along next to her and it her and she said, oh don't worry, my watch is gonna keep beeping. Yeah. So she was set on a set time. The problem was I was on a cycle about 7 seconds earlier because of the pause on my watch. So it threw me a bit and I said no let's run for with you. But it got me thinking. I said, how quickly can you pump one of these sessions in, Dear Wall? It's so easy, man.

It's so easy. Even when there was so we were doing the other the other run we mentioned Monofal. Yeah, so there's a. Fair bit to that. Two 90s to four 60s, Four 30s like. So, well, it's sorry if. Someone hasn't done like I have never done this so explain to me. Do you want to know? OK, quick background on it.

Do you know why I know how to do this is because Reedy used to be a garment ambassador and so and Reedy's obviously a friend, but I also follow him on his socials and he used to, I think two years ago, three years ago, Reedy started up a run club on Instagram and was taking people through sessions and every session he would programme on his garment and he would show you how to do it. So it's literally paid by numbers instruction type stuff, which is why I know how to do it

now. It's very like it's literally, and I'll bring it up here. You go into if you're using Garmin, that's what I use. So you do it off your. Off the phone, you build it on your phone as a workout and then you update your phone and it goes OK so and then it updates. So straight away I thought you were there with your watch like trying to. You might be able to do it like that. I don't think you can.

I think you need to build it in the Garmin app before you upload it. But that's so quick and easy. And the thing for me, I've been guilty of interestingly, and again, all running is good running. I was guilty for a few years probably prior to moving up here on the Gold Coast of just rinse and repeating 10 KS and Clint Kimmons last week talked about Junk Miles right and didn't say they were bad. Junk makes it sound like they're bad, but it's not. It's just.

But if you're training for something, it might be inefficient. I was guilty for a long time of just running. I was running pretty standard 10K like in with no particular goal or ambition. And and you know, in hindsight, the running I was doing was never going to help me improve as a runner. It was just running, but I loved running. So I was just doing running now for me. And Andy talked about he never runs. He runs to effort, right? He doesn't bad.

But if you're a certain level of runner, imagine you can run to effort. You know, Michael Shelley talked the same thing about running to effort, not running to time. I'm not like that. I need a reminder. I've got a rough idea of how I feel, but I need, you want to keep a check. I need to keep a check on it. And so by having these programmes, these sessions, when I'm doing them, it helps me run better, train better.

And that's probably a good way to use technology as a goal, like until you, I think over time the goal would be to understand, using the technology to understand, to get that feel. And then hopefully eventually you don't need the watch because you know, you intuitively know the feel. Well, that is the goal. That's so and I agree that is

the goal. By comparison, for example, the other run I've done this week, I did the Dave Flay wildlife loop around the boardwalk through Berlin, around the front. I actually ran it because one of the listeners in chat at Pete, who's a listener of the podcast, tagged me after one of my runs on Strava and said, hey, we're coming up to the Gold Coast. He and his wife sometime soon, school holidays, I think. Would you be able to run the burly loop? What to show me so we can see where it is?

So I went out and ran it the other day and I tagged him in. I said. You're a good man. There you go. Go for, run and it's. It is one of the great loops. Now you're on, you know, you know, now you're on premium. You can actually just draw the loop. I've got to stay with my I've got to stay with my people. But to that right, my garment at that point tells me and it gives me daily suggestions based on

all the stuff. But it told me run slow for 40 minutes, no faster than 5 fifteens or whatever. But I just ran that to effort. I just put my I was in my non carbon plate, carbon rod shoes. I was in my gel Cayanos and I just ran that to effort. Now that's got some hills in it. It's got some downhills in it. It's got a bit of trails, got some boardwalk. So there's all variety of things. But I just ran that to effort.

Now interestingly as I came round the back Flat Rd section of that I actually started to feel and came around the back of the Tally Creek. I got quite tight in my calves. So I really like almost to the point where pulled off running on my toes and it was a bit of heel striking. So and again running to effort pulled back consequently took yesterday off. I went to Riggs recovery.

I did the hot and cold. I'm into the I'm I'm, I'm more like non recovery now, Courtney. He's been spending too much time over there at the Suns, watching, listening to the boys about their recovery. So yeah, so thank you, everybody offering me 10K advice, feel free to keep sending it through. I'm filtering in the stuff I like. I'm filtering out the stuff I don't. One more on the 10K. So this Angus Crisp sent this in. There's a guy advan anger.

Yeah, somewhere over in the Scandinavian countries, I believe. 100K guy turns on 10K in 3137. It's pretty impressive A. 100. Kilos, no 100K guy you can look at you click on the link there and you can see him 100K guy has run 10K in 3137 in a fun run like it's not when I say a fun run in a run like not around a track either, that is that's Clydesdale impressive. Flag on the play. For everybody out there listening to this, what's he's 6 foot 4? I think that needs to be

stressed, right? Because in my head when I hear 100 kilos, I'm thinking someone my size of 100, right? I'm 5/8. This bloke is 6/4. So Yep, it's I'm not taking anything away from it, but he I don't know if I'm actually happy with him classifying as a Clydesdale 'cause he is just 6 foot 4 of. He's just got a big. Frame. He's just got a big frame, you know, like that's he just looks like a big framed athlete. That's not AI. Don't in fact, no ADVENT get stuffed.

I'm not happy about it. Edwin anger you. I don't care. You don't you're not really 100K athlete. You're just a big unit. Yeah, not happy about it. Hey, quickly, where where, where are you at? Have we, I can't remember. We've hit a point now where I can't remember the things we've talked about on podcast and off podcast. Have we talked about we've? Probably seen each other a bit more than usual in the past two weeks. Have look, I said earlier on I had a little scare.

Here we go. Let's talk about it. Let's. Start there because like we in the down there in Sydney in the live podcast when Andy broke the news, he's had a femoral stress fracture very similar to what. He said he didn't have a stress fracture yet. Sorry, stress reaction. Yes, yeah, sorry. That's what comes before the fracture. Very low grade stress reaction and mine was only a reaction too. There was no fracture. But I've been going through that for a long time.

I'd been back. Let's in context, I've kind of slowly got back from that injury to the point where then I'd been able to put together 4 weeks at, you know, probably an average of about 85 K each week. So I started at 70. I think I hit 90 on the 4th week. I then went to run the following week, which would have been last week, sorry, two weeks ago and I had that exact same feeling, Andy explained of. I just feel like my abductor just just there's a little strain or something not right,

right? It's the same thing I felt when I initially had this problem. And because I'd never experienced before, I never knew what the feeling was. Now I'm so acutely aware. I was like, Oh no, I look back at, you know, and I thought, shit, if I overloaded this too quick, what's going on? So what I did, I took three days off, OK, just stopped and was happy to stop. And this is just before we went down to Sydney and then Andy told us this news. So at that point I hadn't run in

three days. I was going to give it the Friday off as well, and then I came back on the Saturday and I just went out here on the road around the home and then 6K, very easy just to see what it was. Now that what didn't feel great, that 6K either, it was because a bit gummy. I'd run for four days and whatever, but it seemed to have been OK and loosen out. So then on the Sunday I went, OK, let's go out to the Bush, out to the forest trails and see.

Let's just go by field and see how it goes. I'll run with a few people, so my mind will be off it because maybe I'm just overthinking this. Have you do you? You're a cricketer, A bit of a cricketer, yes. I'm going to drop a name here. Or international cricketer just quickly you representative Vanuatu. Well, so you may have played him before, do you know? Yeah, Johan, both Johan, both absolutely South African, was also the captain coach of the Adelaide Strikers. So he's BL.

He's now Big Bash coach of Brisbane. Yep, he so he came out for a run with us in the trails. He's a weapon. He ultra dude, Yeah, but yeah. What was your spinner? He's. Yeah, he's been. Because you know you're cricketer. Yeah, I know you're Botha. Did you play him when you when you represented? When I represented Vanuatu I was living over in the country and a touring Victorian club side came for a tour. I played one. Day you didn't play. I did not play. South Africa at any stage.

No, at no point did I, my cricketing talents take me anywhere beyond my school 11. So yeah, we went, I was out in the Bush, I had around with even my brother. And so it was good because we're, you know, you're just talking and you get your mind off it. I got through it. Everything seemed fine. I then took Monday off again off the back of that because I thought, shit, I got through a long run, let's just take

another day off. And then Tuesday morning Fartlett came along and I had the best feeling running I've had in a year all. Right. Doesn't like touch wood, doesn't seem to, you know, nothing's the hip, thing's gone. It must have just been a hopefully a false alarm, a little fandom who knows what. Maybe I just overdid it, I'm not sure. But Tuesday, best feeling I've had in a year. Ran on in the session, Felt great. Did you have the flow? Had the flow the. Flow. Did you have the flow at the

flow? Did you find Flow? Down freedom. Freedom. Is that even more wanky than flight? It is, but I like it. I understand what you said. Coming out with the big words, yes, I knocked along for 20 minute monitor, I think averaging about 3:30. Through the. So yeah. We're back, so you're back. I might still say back, but. This is great, though there was a scare. But it's good to for everyone to hear the process because like, I'm a lot more aware of it now. Yeah.

And the first thing I did was, OK, let's just de stress on this. I've got through a good four weeks. Yeah, take some time, come back, reassess and and Yep, look, to be really honest, if I took a like a umbrella or like a helicopter view of that now, I would just say probably like 4 weeks. I just needed a rest. Yeah, just body one of them. And I and I took the rest and I've come back so I forget about injury or anything else. It's just purely a training.

So like now I'm gonna probably be more aware of that. I might do three weeks again and I might just take a week a bit easier. Yeah. Yeah. Look, I think it's great for the podcast because there was a little hint there that we were becoming the injury prone podcast. Oh don't worry mate, I was shitting myself. I like I I and and and not because of the podcast. Not because of the podcast, one, because of my mental health. I was like, I cannot, I can't do another long step on the

sidelines. I love running's awesome. I love running. Yeah, especially like getting out in the Bush and that just by myself running. So that was the first thing. The second thing was I've got a few things coming up running that we'll get into later in the year. Yeah. I just can't get injured again. I need to be. Here to stay fit. That's where we are. You know you, that whole idea of taking a rest or having a break, I think last it must have been last week.

Interestingly, just a quick one going back a week, my my load's been building really nicely. I've been, I sort of, I went through a three week build of getting up, get up to a sort of went from 45 KS to I think I got up to just shy 60 KS and feeling great and getting the runs in and making it work. And then I had a week where I I didn't, I had football. I had two late night games of football.

Into the radio show the next morning, which meant I was working on about 3 hours sleep both those nights. Then we had some radio stuff going on in the afternoons, which meant basically I for about a 4-5 day stretch I was working on an average of four hours sleep. A not yeah. Not good. Not. Enough, right? And I've watched enough influencers tell me how important sleep is. It's, it is, it's important because I went to try and go. I went for a run. This is before we flew out to Sydney.

I just got through 5K like I said and it wasn't because it was. Nothing was injured. You just. I just, I was just, my body was like, Nah. And I'd been running well and, you know, I was running, you know, but I just couldn't. I could only finish five KS and I ended up walking home and it was just my body saying you're not sleeping enough.

That's when I got heaps of sleeping in and around the podcast when we were in Sydney and I woke up on that Saturday morning of my birthday and did 21 KS like it was nothing because I got some, got some recovery. But yeah, the I am now the the injury stuff is I'm so hyper aware of I the other day when I went to go for a run, I said to Alana, I was at home and I was putting my shoes on. I was kind of went, I don't know if I really want to go for this

run. And she turned and she said, but you do a running podcast, so you have to. I was like, yeah, it's kind of true. It's meant to be like, kind of true. That's good motivation. Yeah, it was. It's good motivation. Now what are we at? Local race. Local race. This will be when we're coming out on Saturday. So this is more just a shout out. Dave Want shared this with me down at so I run quite often down from around the coral area and my beach runs easy run.

So down at locally at Cora on this Saturday, which I believe is what's this Saturday? 6th Yep. 7th. They're doing a 10 by 10 challenge, you know, so we'll put it in the show now. No, that's on next. That's on the 13th. Have I some thought You've got you're awake, but this is good. You're giving people a heads up. Well. If you want to go and join. It yeah, you can see how much. No, no, no, it's good. The 10 by 10 challenge. 10 by 10 challenge. So what starts at 5:00 AM? Yep.

And they're doing it for some, Schumann for some. I don't know if there's a charitable element element, no, just think it's event. They're just doing it for themselves. Good on them. That's what it should be and they're going to do so 10 kilometres every hour on the hour. The 10 hours is a goal, so they go. You can do it in teams, but there is also the solar element, so we'll put the link if you're interested in that. We'll put the link in the show notes. 10 Could you do that?

I don't want to. I actually thought like in all honesty, like it's AI love everyone's and you know, we love to hear about everyone's events. We do with that often comes. Do you want to come and do it? Nope, we got that on the weekend. I've got to be better at just saying no. We got that on the weekend from the feller after the pod at Bondi, Icebergs dining room said You guys want to run a Bondi to Berry the 420K ride. That's it. Oh, the ride.

Yeah, that's right. I was having this discussion about riding the other day because I'm heading overseas and my mates who I'm heading over with, they're taking bikes with them because triathletes want to ride on the road and I'm like, I haven't ridden on the road so why would I want to go on holidays to ride on the road? I don't even do that here at home. I worked out I haven't ridden my road bike since pre COVID. Wow.

So Noosa try, just be aware if you ever ask me to ride my road bike, I could be a danger to everyone involved. So like obviously ride every week on my mountain bike. But yeah, as far as Rd riding goes. I know you don't like it when I tease things that aren't organised and I am guilty of teasing things that we haven't actually organised and then they never come to fruition and that's on me. This tease is going to happen because we've already started. If you love your running, you'll

want to hear this. If you love your writing, you'll want to hear this. And if you love your swimming, you'll want to hear this. It starts next week. Are you not going to tell me more now? Something, well, I'll tell you what, here's what we'll do. Make sure you're subscribed. If you're one of the people who listens and isn't subscribed, subscribe because the trailer, let's call it a trailer or a sizzle reel.

What's coming next? Our Rd. Our Road to Gold Coast Marathon was so successful and so well received that we're on the road to somewhere different this time. So Wednesday apps are coming back. Wednesday apps are are returning. We'll tell you more.