In the beginning, at 14, we're back. Hi, Courtney. We're back. What a week. Christmas just around the corner. Exciting. Holy crap it is. Now I've got to I've I'm going to start with a confession. Oh, we talked about headphones and, and having 2 headphones in and etiquette and all of that. Well, I was the wanker in the forest yesterday. What are we doing in? So I rocked up to the forest, it's been raining, it's been pouring, right?
And as I pulled up in my car, I got out, I met, I saw one of my mountain bike mates and he's gone. I'm like, why are you out of the forest so early? He's got a man, there's water everywhere, can't really ride, it's a nightmare. And I'm like perfect for running so I can get in the singles by myself. Yeah, 2 headphones in. I'm running down a track just in my own world. I look up and there's an old guy on the side on his mountain bike, just shaking his head at me. Mate.
I bought myself a. Proper tut tutted too. I got he the IT just the evil eyes at me and I thought, Oh no, I'm that guy on that guy. Anyway, I thought, how do I get out of this? So I had a chat to him and said, mate, I didn't expect anyone to be in here in the morning. Of course he said my friend's coming. There's another guy behind me got both headphones out at that point and put them in my pocket and said, oh, I ran into someone and I didn't think anyone would be in a mountain bike.
You know whose reply was what? Pussies. Nothing like the old guy that said everyone's straight, right? But that is to to anybody out there, because inevitably, as these tracks and trails and paths get busier and busier and busier, just just deal with it. Don't get frustrated because I know there would have been other people who would have been in that situation who would have run off and might have had a terse word at the old bloke for giving you the stink eye and all
this sort of stuff. Everyone's out there doing stuff. Just just talk to each other about these little dramas. And if you're running single trails, don't have two headphones in. Yeah, I'm learning with what we do. I'm learning with what we do. Mate, you can talk yourself out of anything you. Can you can talk yourself out of it? But I was that guy. That was my confession. Hey, you know what that is? That's hand up accountability and that's what we're about here
in the beginning. Now the interesting thing about today's app is that, and we got lots to get to, but you and I are coming in at very different frequencies to use a use. A very term motivation. We're coming in at very different energy levels because tell, well, tell us why you're
in such a great space, right? Now, well, I'll get into my week a little bit later, Yeah, but I've just come home from a run down at Pizzi Park, local, local athletics track, Gold Coast Runco and my I've had an improvement again today in my threshold. So a 20 minute threshold, Yeah, the heat, it's been a, it's a lot nicer running this morning. So that's definitely got something to do with it.
But I'm over that little bit of a hump where I was going backwards for a few weeks and there was a group of five of these young bucks running along here. I am the old guy at the back, you know, easy as. And I said to one of the young guys at the end of it, you know, wait, what have you been doing for 5K lately? And he said 01451 and I'm like, oh, here we go. You know, you reckon I can, you reckon I can slide under that 16
minutes. And you know, as long as I'm around that, you know, back down in the fifteens, I'll be happy so. This smile, this smile is literally the term ear to ear sums up you talking about your running at the. Moment now with all that excitement I just gave just give me your. Because I couldn't be further to the other end of the spectrum
right now. And I think interestingly, when I walked into your house this morning and you were literally buzzing, you just thought I've come back from this great session and I came in completely shoulder slumped. I am right in that I'm I'm in a running hump at the moment. I went for a run down in Adelaide where I was away with some friends and it went OK, It was all right. And then I came for a run. When I got back here to the Goldie. I tried to go for a run
yesterday. I've got 2-3 KS into it and I just stopped and I and I can't tell if it's a combination of well I know it is. It's a combination of a physically. Like I've been doing some gym sessions as well so the legs are a bit sore and all the rest of it. But also I've got all these things going on. I'm finding it difficult to switch off from my from work even though we're on radio break. Yeah, but getting getting to the
new show. We're getting we've got a new show coming out so I'm finding it really difficult to switch off my brain about this new show and getting things organised. It's obviously Christmas, Christmas, so the kids are at home and you want to keep them entertained and now my wife's on holidays as well. So it's like, well I want to be putting in some quality family time and doing some stuff with
them. But then I've got this show going on, I've got some stuff with some some mates going on that I need to deal with after we finish Recall. All these things is jumping in my brain and it's the sort of environment where normally a nice run would clarify some of this and help me clear it all out. And I just can't get, I've just got no motivation to trot at the moment. I so I'm battling. I will. We've said this before, stress is stress. It doesn't matter where the
stress is coming from. It can be work, it can be family, it can be running, but often it's the mental stress that's actually harder than the physical stress it really is. And a mate of a good mate of mine, we run with Benny the doc, same thing. He's having a bit of trouble, but it's the stress I reckon. I said to him, mate, it's all the things going on. And it's this time of year too, right. With Christmas, you know, everyone's got a bit more time on their hands.
You've got family, you're trying to tie up loose ends at the job so you don't have to think about it ideally over Christmas. And all that adds up. And, and where it then shows often is in an injury while you're running, which is the one thing you can do to help you to get.
So it's Catch 22. So I guess what I would say to anybody out there, it's OK to be feeling like this at the moment and if you need to just ride it out with some slower runs, shorter runs or whatever, do. Just get out the door. Just get out the door and if it turns into a walk, that's fine as well. Can I just put a bit of a, a bow on my wake of woah, I might have suffered maybe the most embarrassing. You talk about running injuries. I might have suffered the most embarrassing athlete injury
ever. I think I've, well, I know I've bruised my foot, but I think the way I've done it is my mum's foot massager and setting the too high and having my feet in there too long because I was staying with them back in Adelaide. Myself too good a rub. I'm staying with them back in Adelaide and I've got one of the ones where you just put your feet straight into it and I love a foot massage. And now I probably, it was probably in there for upwards of half an hour.
And now I've had to, I've had to get out of all the, the, the carbon plate shoes or the Adidas, the, the Salem Inspectors, the whatever. I can't run in them at the moment. I'm back to the the Nova Blast 'cause I just need that extra foam cushioning in 'cause my foot's so sore from this stupid massage machine. Right, It sounds like you were at the when we began this podcast where I was exactly. We've got a a few things you gotta sort out. Let's sort them out.
A good time of year to sort them out and nothing a lot of food can't fix. Yeah, exactly. Maybe. What's been going on with you all week? My week, it's been pretty when we we caught up last Thursday, just trying to think when you went down to Adelaide. You were, I can't even. You were staying put. You weren't going anywhere, I don't think. I can't even remember back then so much as the good thing is I've tied up.
I've tied up, you know, generally across all the few of the different work things that I, I get up to. I've tied that up nicely for the year, which is probably the other reason I'm so excited today, because one, I'm, I'm, I'm looking forward to putting a little bit more time into what we're doing here. But also just the fact that, you know, I mean, I'm, I'm in control of my days to kind of, you know, do what I want to do. Yeah. But running's been going really good.
So like I've always talked about this consistency thing, right? And you're going to hear that like a broken record as long as we do this because it's so true. This week I've done just the simple things. Got out for an hour run, just got through. It's been hot. It has been it's. Been weird. The humidity's been I think it was I've finished one run and it was 98. I mean, it was pretty much spitting at that point, but it has been really it's.
Crazy. Up until this morning, even yesterday morning with the rain was still just to run an hour five in the forest was just like zapping, but just consistency of just getting the job done every day and then and I've come up today and felt like I've I've I started a 20 minute run. So we were for context for those listening, you know, I always try and run what, whether it's threshold or tempo, whatever you want to call it. I try and keep my heart rate around that 153 beats as a good guide.
So then that way I can compare week to week. And today we were, we started off around it's been wet. So we run across the grass as well. So my brother reminded me of that. Like you can get a get a few extras seconds because we're slopping through the the grass 320 fives to begin with, dropping down to 320 twos and, you know, heart rate really stable through that and just been breathing well. So, you know, hopefully that's a sign of things to come.
But you know, everything's just working really, really well. But I've been getting talking about shoes because I know everyone loves talking, you know, hearing us talk about shoes. I've been getting into my best work at the moment in the forest because it's been sloppy, it's been muddy, it's been clay and Solomon, who I run for, do this shoe the Thundercross. So love the name, right? You know what we're talking about?
Trade. Like, yeah, hey, that is a great name for a. Shoe come on, you thought that you you can't make hard now you've got to make hard names for shoes the thundercross thundercross. So the speed cross is obviously a Solomon shoe. That's, you know, pretty much the iconic trail running shoe. It was the original before everyone, every other business
started doing trail shoes. You had a few of those brands like you know, your salomons, your ultras, you know your true trail shoe companies do we choose and and speed cross has been the one that's got really big lugs, great for mud, great for snow. The thundercross is kind of the intermediate. It's got, it's got the trail, it's got the tread, the really good tread, mud tread from the speed cross, but it puts it into more of a flexible and and runnable shoe in the Thundercross.
And it's probably, you know, when it's runnable and when it's usable. It's my favourite shoe in the range. So I've been given a lot of use out of that. Just living up in the trails in that shoe at the moment. Pretty much. And you know what? You know what happens with? I mean, everyone will go through this problem in running. It's another running problem we all have. You get a wet shoe, you put it in the car, you drive home and
it stinks. You put it in the sun and there's still, if anyone's got a way to get rid of the smell out of these shoes after wet, and it's probably sweat as well, right? Yeah. What? Do you OK, this is I'm glad you've opened the door to this because there'd be people out there with this exact problem with their shoes. You've got a little set up at home, your sort of makeshift drying rack that your quiver of shoes, as you call it, sits
there at your garage. I I am on the lookout for something like that because I want to install a similar thing. How do you maintain your shoes? Well, they sit on that rack. So I, I mean, obviously I'm lucky enough to get to try like a lot of shoes. So I have, I have a general rule. So there's 12 shoes fit on that rack, and at any one time I have the 12 shoes I'm using or or wearing or whatever. It is and is that is that. Are they the only like you don't have?
No, I have another cupboard somewhere. I have some, Yeah. You haven't seen the storage. You do have storage. The ones I haven't worn too much or ones I've never really got into or I've got boots and a whole range of stuff in there. But the 12 that you see when you, you walk, walk in here is that's my current kind of quiver that I'll, I'll change up and like the Thundercross don't get a lot of use because, and it's quite dry here, but they sit
there because I know I will use. And then I've got a few other like more Ray shoes, training shoes, a few other street shoes, But that's the 12. So that's how I work. But generally, and I don't have a better way to go about this, when it's like this weather and it's wet, whether it's raining or whether it's just pure, you're sweating so much and your shoe comes home wet, I'll just stick the things in the sun and they dry. Up you don't wash the inners or
anything. You've never thrown a pair of shoes in the in the wash. Never in a dryer. I wouldn't trust. I'm not going to throw a pair of shoes in the dryer. I mean, I think that's going to, I mean I'm no expert, but I think that's going to, with the heat and the tumbling and everything else on that's going to wreck your shoe, I'd assume. I don't know I want. To keep I want to keep the structure of my shoe as good as
possible. So that's why I just find I put in the sun, I deal with the with the smell, but if there's a solution to the smell, I'd love to know. Oh. This is in the beginning podcast Instagram want you to people to send through their shoe maintenance hacks because it sounds like we both in need of some. And if anybody knows what damage putting your shoes in the dryer can actually do, we feel free to
flick that one through as well. But Claudia, I'm, I'm really glad to hear that you're running well, because no, no, I am because a, because we love it when people love running. I, I know how frustrated at your, you were getting with your body, you know, 3-4 months ago off the back of some injuries. I know how frustrated you were getting and you were plateauing as you saw it. The other reason I'm excited is because Courtney Atkinson, I need to know, will you run a
marathon in 2025? Well, it's looking like it. We, we're going to have some news soon, I hope, because, but we're not going to jump to any conclusions. Just. Yet. But yes, pending, there are some big conversations going on in
the background. But the reason I ask if you're going to run a marathon is because you one of our greatest ever triathletes, I want to know if you're going to be motivated by the news that Alex Yee. For people who don't know, the Olympic gold medallist from England has announced that he is going to race the London Marathon next year. Now for context, the Olympic gold medallist this year in Paris. If you didn't watch the race, his kick finish to win gold over New Zealand.
'S Hayden Wild, Hayden Wilde. Was one of the great racing tactics I've seen in triathlon. He let Hayden go, seemingly it was done. This is a guy with an incredible run and the kick he gave it must have been in the last 500 metres or so, was just unbelievable to watch. Hayden Wilde's face was just devastation. But now the next thing you're going to say is going to irk any proper runners. Oh, who listen well, because or you could say what? What is he targeting?
Well, he is. Targeting So this is Alex Yee, the Olympic gold medals in triathlon, who has APBA 5 KPB of 1326. He's got A10 KPP of 2751 so the guy can run. He is targeting between two O 7 and 2:10. Which is Australian men's marathoning elite, correct? That's what we're really talking about. Well, that's the new Andy Buchanan just broke the record, didn't he? AT2O First man to go under 2O7 for Australia, SO2O6 and a bit.
So this is a guy who marathoning is not his sport, he's an athlete, let's not get that mixed up. But in his first marathon is going to try and go basically touch the Australian record. Well, triathletes have been known to say some short run times and a few other things and but you can't hide in this and nay, Alex, he's the real deal,
right? He in his offseason, he runs with, he runs in track races, 5K track races with the best in the UK and he's definitely not the best 5K runner in the UK, but he's definitely in the mix and can go and perform with them. So this is definitely not out of the realm and that's exciting seeing the mix up, mix up what they're doing. That would be one of the greatest because he's obviously races for Great Britain. That'd be one of the greatest British marathon runs if he can achieve that.
Like toys. Not, not the record, because I think. It'll be the same as here, you know, very similar to Australian running at the moment. Yep, 27 is is quick. But I mean, the good thing, the great thing with triathlon is when you're stepping up from shorter distance running to I suppose a marathon distance of two hours, that's a step up for runners, right? They come through, you know, they do the mile, a 5K10K and build and the marathon's kind of the longer distance they'll do.
Triathletes do that every day, if not longer. So you, you know, Alex will be spending 4 1/2 hours on a bike during the week. So to come back and run a 2 hour effort, in a way, he's coming down in distance in a in, not in a perfect world because he's got to do it all running. But you see what I'm saying? He's aerobic base. This is a big advantage. Plus riding a bike, you know, there's so much glute work there. His strength from the bike I think will also be a big asset
in the marathon. So he's. Been Phil Clayton did a lot of work with him. He did a lot of swimming. Swimming work ahead of the Paras Olympics this year. Interesting to say that because he got over, he obviously overran Hayden Wild at the Olympics. Yeah, the 70.3 World Championships for triathlon were on a Taupo on the weekend. Yeah, and I went out to the forest and I was going to have a run and I was kind of watching the live feed to see how Hayden went. He's run out.
He's got off the bike with a group run out of transition first. He's got 1/2 marathon to run and he's ripping it up, like ripping it up. He got about a minute and a half lead. I shut the phone off, went running and thought nothing of it. When I popped out of the forest, I ran into a couple of guys who said did you did, did you happen to see the truck? And I said yeah, Hayden, I put it down. When Hayden ran off, he blew up again. No. Yep, second again. So quickly.
But you, I mean, we've, we've both gone like as if, you know, we can do better. No, no, like it's just crazy. Like just twice in this year. He's obviously set himself up for a pace to run that he thought was achievable and then obviously faltered along the way. So if you're Hayden and those two, you look back at the World Championships for the half 70.3 and the Paris Olympics and in both races your strategy has let you down. Your body hasn't let you down. Your strategies let you down.
What? What are you saying? What, what examination? What's are you saying to yourself? There's two ways you can look at it. I mean, the the first thing is he's got balls. He gives it a go and you can only learn from that, right? The worst, the worst thing is you. You didn't, you nearly got there, you failed, and then you come back stronger. The other way to look at it is pacing, maybe that being a bit
optimistic on their pacing. But look, without knowing the fool, you know, you don't know if it was a bit crook or there could be a range of factors in that. I mean, it's been really hot. I'm assuming Taupo also would have heat at the moment, not obviously Queensland heat, but it would be a similar situation where they will probably expect in cooler weather and it has been hotter. You know, all those things affect you pacing over that
distance. Quick, we'll move on from this because I this is something we're going to monitor into next year as well, because the fact that the best triathlete in the world has gone out and just thrown down the gauntlet and planted a flag. How do you think he'll be received by the marathon community? I think those who know him so the UK marathon community will 100% embrace right? I think the more let's say semi.
Pro oh community yeah you know like so perhaps those runners that Alex is will it means immediately jump ahead of correct. Not just in the UK, but across the globe who have something to protect, right. So I think there's AI think across sports these days, like you're seeing a good example is Tour de France riders are actually going to Hawaii, Iron Man and racing and they're not being able to, you know, convert to win right.
They I think there is a real respect there across sports now and obviously multi sport, you're never going to be as good as the individual sports. That's why you're in multi sport. Like, hey, I'm the first person to say that, right, You're good at you're average at three, you're very good average at three sports, which makes you able to win something that you can't win in the individual sport. I mean that was my life, right, So let's get that out of the way.
Yeah, but why I say well, irk the semi pro more is it will they'll jump them, but they're also protective of their space, that they're their individuals that that good. And you're going to see someone who's across three sports come across and arguably go right there to the elite level. It maybe maybe blows up too, who knows, But it's great. He's given it given it. He given it a. Shot Christian Blumenfeld, the triathlon one of the best in the
business. He's noticed he's but he might have slightly backtracked on his claim to go and win the Tour de France. I'd say he's probably backtracked on that, but he's looking at professional cycling. But I mean, Camworth is the best example. The Aussie so Olympic rower. So yeah. Lightweight scholar for Australia at the Olympics, went on to ride in multiple years as a professional. I think he raced for Cannondale team.
He ended up at sky. He still races in for sky like as a domestic across, you know, right up to the biggest races in the like the main grand tours. And then he goes, I think he's top ten in Hawaii this year. So you know, it's definitely possible to go across all those sports and there's some guys who do this really well in endurance.
But I think like I'll just reiterate, I think at the elite level now there's a real respect across, you know, all sports because you know, you've got to specialise in each of them and you've got to specialise in multi sport to be the best at that as well. But it's probably that next level down that this is really. Good.
See to all the punters like me and the just the, the, you know, the mud runners out there that are listening to this and thinking this should make you feel good because it's not a case of you didn't specialise early enough. No, there's just an elite bunch of humans in our world who physiologically are capable of doing this stuff in any code, right? And whether it's at the Olympics or Zoroa in Tour de France and triathlon, right?
These are special aliens that live amongst us and we should just enjoy them being around us. Yeah, but in reality, you're the Jack of all trades and master and none as well. That's me. I'm I'm, I can say that now after, you know, 20 years of being in that space. Next let's let's go. We'll leave that for the moment. Let's go to we're talking about pacing and, you know, we're talking about Hayden had it blew up.
We're talking can Alex do this? So this week I thought AI training now we talk a lot about coaches. Yep. So I've pumped into, I just talked about me wanting to get my 5K down and you know, I'm running a little bit better at the moment. So I pumped into chat GTP just to see how good the old AI would go of training. And I said an 8 week training plan to get me to run a 16 minute park run. It's not so good. That's the word really.
Yeah. So pretty much, I mean, not everyone's going to understand this at at that pace, but it does suggest that eight weeks is ambitious but achievable for an experienced runner with a solid fitness base. So I'd consider myself that. It's designed for someone who can already run at 5K around 18 to 19. So I can definitely do that at the moment.
This is where the catch comes in, because I reckon there's a lot of people sitting there going, well, not a lot, but there'll be people sitting there go I can run an 18 to 19, I can get to 16 with AI in eight weeks. I can tell you right now, no. So AI is wrong in this case. So pretty much it goes into it is working down a 16 minute 5K is going to take you 312 per kilometre. That's what pace you're going to have to run it. It reckons you need to do speed work, tempo runs, long runs and
recovery, which is right. So it's pulled a good weekly structure. But this is where it gets interesting because it tells me I'm only going to have to run 5 days of running and two days of rest will CrossFit. So it thinks I can run a 16 minute 5K off five runs. And OK and you sorry you don't think you can achieve that? I think with my background, if I when did the cross training I'd do on those other two days was like long bike rides, it probably I would be able to maybe manage that.
But for the average person who's just a runner and doesn't have 20 years of background in professional triathlon, no way. No way. Not unless you're very, very talented or yeah, very, very talented. 5, you know, five runs only to go from an 18 or 19 minute 5K to get to a 16 in eight weeks. It's kid in itself. Look, I won't spend too much time on this, but I thought it was just a good, a good indication, you know, because there's a lot of people out there who are going.
I can just, you know, we've talked about it, get proper help, but I can just go to the Internet and it will tell me what to do. This is AI telling you what to do, but I'll guarantee you a lot of the online coaches out there who don't have the expertise are probably pumping the same crap out. This is when you pop this in the run sheet for the week. My brain lit up because this is so interesting. And you just talked about trying to get, you know, down to a 16 minute 5K, which for me is
unfathomable. But I jumped on ChatGPT and we have early on in the in the pod talked about the idea of run school. And has your coach been to a run school and and got the qualifications to be teaching your programme? What run club or run coach would you go to? Would it be based on recommendations, qualifications or the rest of these? This sort of, and I've told you often I find I'll jump online and go, oh, you know, give me a run session to run this.
And X&YI jumped onto ChatGPT and said build me a an 8 week programme to run a sub 40 minute 10K. Yeah, right. And. Are you happy with the results? Well, I was until you just said what you said, because I look at the programme, it's pumped out and it kind of looks pretty similar to the stuff that I've been looking at previously. Yeah, I mean. It does look similar, but there's a few things in here like. A good example is.
Let me have a look. I also I also pumped in give me a 12 week plan to run a sub three hour marathon. I think that one's a dangerous one of AOI. OK, just going on what I'm seeing from a what it pumps out for wanting to do a 5K. So where it got interesting to me is it's just obviously it's pulling a lot of information from a lot of different sources to try and, or, or maybe it's just copying something that is seen on the web and you don't know where that expertise has come from.
But where it talks about like starting to do race pace simulations on a Saturday to aim for a 17 or faster in week 6. But then it's time to me on a Tuesday, we want you to do 84 hundreds at that 312 pace with 92nd dress. Well, you're going to have to do your 400 reps quicker than your 5K pace, OK, with a 92nd rest to be able to achieve a 16 minutes. I can tell you that right now, if you're running only being able to run a free 12400, yeah, with that much rest, you ain't
gonna be running 16 minutes. So it it kinda. And then even to the point of the beginning, it's saying a long run should only be the first long run. It says in week 110 to 12 K at an easy pace. Yeah. You know, I just don't think many people are gonna be able to do that type of volume and get out. And run a 16 it it says to do your long runs for this three hour sub three hour plan.
It says to do your long runs on Saturdays too, which I'm not, but the I we're we're talking about specific examples that we punch into it. And I can guarantee you most people living who are listening right now will after they finish listening, finish their run, probably jump on ChatGPT if they haven't already done it before and start playing around with a time or a distance goal that they've got in mind for their
running. But I'm curious because we know what, I don't want to call it rubbish, but we know what sort of some ill informed programmes are that are out there and that are being pushed out there onto first time runners or beginner runners as professional programmes or you know, properly researched and prepared tailored programmes for people to run with. I had not thought that some of these people might have just been using AI to write these
programmes. I think a lot of people are are utilising not well, AI is one one thing, but I also think they're just utilising just online. Now looking at this and knowing some of the programmes that I've looked at, I've got no doubt there are people out there who are pushing who, who, who run run clubs or run other things, who are pushing some of this onto their participants community. And then they've just, they've ripped it straight off Chachi BT. Just have it. Yeah.
I mean everyone just just think about it like common sense often often prevails. But Chachi BT has removed the need for common sense calling. Now AI has. We don't need common sense anymore when we have this thing. That's true. And and, and, and it's cheap, it's free, it's free. So I'm not saying I'm not saying it's wrong, but what I did notice I was scared. I was scurrying like for today's episode.
I was scurrying through Instagram last night trying to find some interesting weird things or whatever for us to have a chat about. And it, it just reinforced to me again, just seeing random reel. So not people I follow, but some of the run advice and the P and the and the person offering that run advice by even just like, yeah, but we talked last week about don't take looks by, you know, that that means they can't
run. But look, some of the people offering it and I'm saying you're offering proper run advice there. I can guarantee you you can't do what you're saying. Like I can guarantee you cannot do what you're saying. So sometimes I think it'd nearly be like nice to go. You gave that advice, you know, where did that experience come from? Why don't you go and prove it yourself first?
That's an expertise. This all comes back to this and it's a part of, it's a, it's a side effect of where running is at right now. It's this, it's this world in which there's experiences to be had, there's money to be made, there's opportunities to be seized upon. And as a result, we're seeing all these, you know, podcasts, we're seeing influences, we're seeing programmes, we're seeing clubs, all these things pop up. And the side effect is that some of these things might be dangerous.
But I don't like giving. That's the reason I don't like giving advice. You know, I've said this to you before. To others I'll say what works for me, but there's no guarantee that's going to work for you because different background, different talent, different all different genetics, all those different things. You really need to work with someone and understand them and get to know them and do all that before you can start giving
advice. But like I said, there's always a place to start the 5K. Like we reiterate the 5K apps 5K run, 5K run. Like yeah, a few of the 5K runner apps are great to start and and yeah, reach out to people that have kind of experienced. It it's exactly to to give advice on not giving advice. It's exactly the same thing you talk about when you say, when we talk about shoes, go and try them. Go and try. Don't commit, go all in on a 12 week programme for a club that you've just signed up to.
Don't jump in on what ChatGPT is telling you for an 8 week programme. Just try some stuff. Try some stuff. Try some stuff. The best way to It's the best way to enjoy your writing to get more out of it. So it was a bit of. AI like it, I like it's. Good. It was good. It was good to see because I'd never really looked at it in that way.
Now off the back of that though, so we're talking about times in 16 minutes and you were, like you said, oh, I'd dream of 16 minutes, but I think I can, you know, I'm in that 19. Yeah, 19 is about me. OK, so people are listening to our Clyde style chatter. Oh. Yes. So having the heavy category in marathons. Yep, this is something that exists at the news of triathlon. There's the Clydesdales and the Athena category. It's for people who are over 100 KG. And we have.
We are the Champions of the idea of embracing this category for marathon running. Not as a negative. We talked about this. It is a celebration of what you are doing at your size. Correct. So off the back of those discussions, one of my good friends, so Brett Carter, he, he actually helped when I was doing an Olympic campaign. He was one of my swim coaches. He was a good triathlete in his day, a hard worker like just.
They. They called him the bulldog because he was just like great and went on to win some, you know, some iron Man's and and amazing stuff. A psychologist now and then when I ran into the other day, he started telling me he's like looking at chemistry and physics, like went over my head chemistry and physics and a few other things like he's just one of those guys. He's just going to study for the rest of me. He's a curious guy, but a smart guy and and knows his sport.
Now he came to me this week and bear with me on this, he's come up with an idea in this Clydesdale category. But it can work across everyone and it's talking about measuring your run ability with watts. So you know when you've got a power metre on a bike, you can also measure your watch running and your watts are affected by. So your watts are definite.
So how much watts you're putting out, but depending on your weight right then, and let me get this right, I'm going to go to, I'm just going to this is my science for the week that I don't understand, but I'm going to read instead. So he's come up with an interesting idea regarding discussions on the Clyde cell. I've been calculating the average what's for a 5K for two athletes. Athlete 1 weighs 72 KG. That's me. Whip it. And runs a 5K in 17 minutes.
Athlete 2 weighs 65 KG and runs a 5K in 1630. OK, we've got that. So 65 he runs at 30 seconds quicker. It works out that Athlete one has to produce 3.46 watts per kilometre to do that time, and Athlete 2 has to produce only 3.22 watts per kilometre to produce his 1630. Therefore, Athlete One's performance could be considered actually better because he's producing more watts. I get it. It's good old physics, but we can do some comparisons to this.
Now this is opens up a wormhole because literally you're going to get guys who are a bit heavier saying I have, let's put it into layman's terms as you like it. I'm heavier. I'm actually a better runner than you because of my weight, because I can run a 17 and at your weight you can run a 1630. But I'm actually running more effectively. I'm producing more. What's? What is the point? What's the purpose of that research?
Because. Well I guess the there is no point because the lighter guy is going to win regardless. So the point is you need to lose weight. This is this is how this that sort of research. But it's going to give people an.
Excuse, right, that sort of research is how we arrive at participation medals Courtney that is how we turn up and we arrive at at everybody gets a ribbon because look based on this metric, you're the best No, based on this metric you're the best this so. It's of it's so interesting, Liam, because. A race is a race, and whoever crosses the line first wins you. You know my position, my competition, and I've just presented the anti competition.
I've given you the excuse, but we were going to do this later, but I'm going to jump to it now. Listen to this because this is Gary Vee and some people might know him from the Internet. But you want to know my thoughts, this encapsulates encapsulates it. I knew what you meant right now buying and I'll show you a winner and every parent that goes up to that kid and says it doesn't matter, it's just a game
should be punched in the face. Competition is one of the best things on earth and we have gotten really bad on the left side of things in understanding it and it's people up because if you're successful in those 12 years in sucking out competition of an A6 year old that you have them in your roof, you've put indifference on a pedestal. And So what you've done is you've taken someone who was destined to do and you, we've actually put a kid into a place of thinking things don't matter.
And when you don't think anything matters and you don't think anything's worth anything, you go down a very dangerous Rd. Competition is one of the great traits in society and we must at all costs stop demonising it. What do you reckon, Liam? I like some of it, I don't like other parts. Of it, I knew this one would tickle you a bit a bit wrong I. Like some of it, I don't like other parts of it. I agree with him that I think competition is really important.
I think that I was a really competitive kid and I loved competition. Me and my mates, we could turn anything into a competition, right? And now as a middle aged bloke, I'm still competitive about things, but I think it's balanced. It's AI have a healthy balance of it, right. I would also what he's saying there about it being demonised amongst children. I I think you've got to be.
That's a bit aggressive. I think you've got to be really careful with, you know, basically you can't tell anybody how to raise their kids. The only people I'll tell, the only children I'm concerned about moulding are my own children, right? And my, my wife and I, we are doing that in our own way. And this idea that you a blanket rule of, I do think some kids need to be incurred or shown that it's not life or death if they lose something at a young
age. There's so many more important things within, particularly sport the kids can learn, not just winning and losing. Yes, developing a competitive edge might be important to them and you can help hone that and the right time and the right place. You can show them the importance of striving to win.
But there's the lessons of kids. Sport are so much more important around learning to. Play with others learning to be a team player learning to learning to be a team player, learning to share learning to you know how to lose, I think is a really important skill to learn and and the idea that. Well, that's what he's hitting on. It's about learning to lose. Then there's it's about participation medals here. That was the context of of it.
So you said it's important for your kids, like you want to mould your kids, but what happens in a world where your kids, you're not controlling everything your kids get that comes on to your kids. So you're in a posi, you're in a in a place where your kids are, you know, achieve something that they should be proud of. But then the 20 other kids who did didn't do that get the same outcome. You're not in control of that, right? And I think this is where he was.
I mean, he was did it in an aggressive way. And there's a reason I use that. I use that for a discussion and I do think there's a balance. However, I also do think that in life, eventually in life, life's a competition. You, you win or lose, you get a you, you walk into a workplace, No one gives you a like a participation job. No. Well. Everybody listening to this has just thought of someone in their
office or their workplace. Guarantee, no matter where you are, you've heard that phrase and somebody, there's a you can picture them in your mind right now has jumped into your brain. I've always loved the phrase. And again, the thing about the Internet is that short and sweet wins If you can wrap something up, it's marketing, it's sales. If you can wrap something up into a nice bow and put a tagline on it, it's what sticks
it doesn't it? There's but there's nuance to it and there's context and there's perspective and all these things you need to take into consideration. I've always loved the phrase you win or you learn. That's a good one. You win or you learn so. But you also win or you lose. Yeah, you do.
They go hand in hand. They do go hand in hand, but to take that all or nothingness away from that situation, right, For most people out there, most people, the majority, the very nature of competition means most people will lose. The majority of people will lose well. Generally, only one person wins. Because even if it's in the team
sport, it's a 5050, right? But for anything that's not a team sport, races, running races, swimming races, anything like that, the majority of people will lose. And if you make it win or lose, it's it's a fundamentally it's a negative conclusion. Whereas if you go with the win or learn, the idea is that, well, every time I lose, I'm learning something I'm I'm learning about why I didn't win which. The best winners do right, because you fail over and over and over until you get it right.
We talked about Hayden. Yeah, I mean that that's the perfect example of he's not winning. And I bet you he's like, I actually saw a photo of him on the podium and someone had made a meme of it because he's literally just like dummy, dummy spitting, like a kid who at school is lost and dummy spitting. But he'll learn from that and move on. And then he will be that will mould himself. You know what, mate, we, we, we agree, we always agree. We come from very different spots on this.
And I, you, you haven't whacked the competitiveness out of me completely yet at that elite level. But that did resonate. I mean, it was aggressive, but it did resonate with me because it was like, yes, in the end it doesn't matter whether you're in sport or whatever. Like you have to learn that. You have to learn to be able to accept at some point there will be a winner and you're going to
lose out sometimes. That's probably where I'm going with it. And if you're resilient enough, you take that on the chin and then move on. And to take it back to the kid conversation, which we started with, which that audio alluded to, if if kids are, if kids are taught the whole way through that even if you don't win, you'll still be looked at like it's that.
No, no, no. The realities of life are what they are and kids need to understand that I just don't think they need to understand that when they're six right. That's all I'm saying to Gary's point, I don't think we need a beta kids over the the head with the harsh realities of life. Let them find it out in due course. The. Important thing is like when you actually let's just we'll get off that. It was a good it was a good conversation, though, right?
What I do if you want to move on with the kids and, and the idea, like one thing I'm learning I suppose with my kids as well is that I probably didn't do a lot of team sports and that drove me to be in an individualised way. Such a selfish human being. That's why I'm such a good no. That's why I'm such a grumpy pressure here when I'm not running well. You are a remarkably well adjusted solo athlete. Thank you. No, I mean that because, you know, often. Well, I lost a lot, Liam.
You learnt a lot I. Learnt a lot because I lost a lot. But with the kids, what I'm saying is I think the importance of not just, I mean, and I did this like playing all sports and working out what you love versus what your parents love is a big thing.
So like kids being able to experience everything and then, you know, whether it's they find something they're talented at to do and love, or whether they just love being part of teams or whether they love endure endurance sports, whether they love adrenaline sports, all that, Yeah, they've got to find it out for themselves. So variety as a kid is something I'm a big, big believer. Generalisation, not
specialisation. And then when they find what they're passionate about, back them into it. We'll let. You can trademark that one, right? Oh, I think that has been stolen. OK, well, let's let's let's move on a little bit about. Can I start? Can I throw something out at you? Yep, because I literally found this as I was walking in your gate today and I laughed. All right. Have you got that little bit of audio there? I do so this is the 100 mile. One, this is the crazy running
man. Here we are at the 10 of just start around 8500 K in the last 100 days, but the job is it done yet? The goal was always 10,000 K's, so I wanna wait away to finish it off with another challenge. How are you gonna do it? I'm gonna be tempting to break the Kidney school record the fastest 1000 miles by mail, which is currently held by Garner's Curious. Now, this is this is a young man by the name of Jack Hanley who I had never heard of before. And the algorithm has served.
The algorithm has served him up to me. His name's Jack Hanley, and he's currently attempting to run 10,000 kilometres. And what he has started today on the day of recording, he is attempting to break the world record of the fastest 1000 miles. Now, if that sounds familiar to you, it's because it what? It's what Ned. Ned Brockman attempted what, a month ago? A month ago in Sydney?
And yet here we are, a month on from Ned's unsuccessful attempt, and someone else is trying to break this record. He's also copied Ned's hairstyle. He's got a very similar haircut to Ned and again, he's raising money for charity. And look, shout out to Jack and I wish you all the best. He's going to run this thing around the 10. He's going to attempt to break the record. It is a hell of a lot of running. I don't think he does it. Courtney. Are we being respectful enough
to world records? This is look, I'm I don't. The reason this record exists is because it was such an incredibly hard thing to do. And I don't know a lot about what was it, the Yanis, Yanis. Yanis. Yeah, but he was a basically a professional runner, wasn't he? Look, I'm, no, we're not giving enough credit to this guy. I, I'm, it's not my area of expertise, right? This old like ultra ultra multi day running and that type of
thing. But I listen to The Who I see as experts in this space who have proven themselves to be the best in this space. And they simply just say these guys are all kidding themselves. Like sorry. And that rubs people up the wrong way. They are kidding themselves. And what they're doing is they're leveraging this idea of we can break a world record to make money and they're making money for good reasons. So don't get me wrong there, but they're leveraging something for
the wrong reasons. They, they've got no business even talking about this guy's world record. And that's me listening to the expertise in guys who really do know they're rare. So let's put it into perspective. I want to put it into your perspective in golfing terms. Just just quickly I have just pulled up Yanis course, his Wikipedia page. The sheer amount of gold medals in like worldwide races that this man has. This is he was the Kelly Slater
of ultra running, right? And now you've got guys who aren't even professional runners saying we're going to break. I'm going to break the word record. I just talked about Kelly Slater. It's like, it's like, it's like yourself picking up a surfboard and then you're. Going to go win pipe. In two years time, you you're doing all right down at the alley and suddenly you're saying you're going to win pipe. I'm not joking. This is the kind of difference we're looking at in golfing terms.
I'll put it into perspective. I heard it nicely the other day put I'm a 15 handicap and I'm just talking about going and winning the Masters next week. This is what's happening. So great. Good on anyone going out there and doing things you know for the right for, for, for good causes. Not, not, definitely not having a go there. But please stop. Please stop trying to pull this idea that you're in any shape or
form a runner of that standard. Of that standard these guys clearly a runner and if he's achieving it if he's running 10,000 clicks it like that's incredible and if he's setting out to to run the 1000 miles pulled on him around the tan that heel of the tan will become real nasty I reckon look it's two days in but it's. Disrespectful to runners Who That is their profession. Yeah, it's to the everyday person out there who's just seeing this on news.com dot AU.
They're like wow, like amazing. Cuz they don't, they don't know it's not their if you don't have the information, but what it is doing, I'll say. So let's put it in context. It's being disrespectful to professionals in this space, and let's leave it at that. I like it very nicely summed up, Courtney. Good luck to Jack Handley, by the way. OK, let's. Get into some more fun stuff. Yeah, I reckon so. The WTF the what the fuck segment? We're gonna have to put another one.
On OK. So first one out of the gate, I think you might, I'm not sure you may have sent this one to me, but we've got this is coming from the gaming world. We've got Simon Says hands down. Simon Says hands down. Run and place, run and place. Simon Says run. Simon Says stop, hands up. Simon Says hands up. Weave it around, wave it around. Simon Says wave. Simon Says stop. Weave it around, wave it around. Simon Says wave. Simon Says run. Summon to stop, hands down. But.
So I love this. We've got we've got grown adults. Yeah, in a stadium it is. Let me check. Here it is. Lud Ludwig, stream again. Ludwig. So I'm assuming he's probably got a zillion million followers and they're playing live, Simon Says. This is This is your mob too. This is a Red Bull event. This is well, it's certainly a Red Bull. It's Red Bull. It's a Red Bull athlete. I know. I do know Grace. But this? Is girl in this is? I I love this now. I complained about kettlebell
juggling last week. I'm right here for Simon Says. I'm I'm, I'm signing me out. You're in. I'm in. So with the Australian version, we just you're, you're in. Fact. And I'm only I'm only half joking. This is something I want to do on the radio next year. I. Think we're going to? Shouldn't mention it yet because we know Lutzi listens. Oh yeah. Hey, Lutzi. No, leave it for all these people.
Although in the beginning podcast community out there, and I'm looking down the barrel of the camera as I say this. This is a verbally binding copyright that this is. I will be allowed to do this on my radio show, not shit next, not next year. And if it pops up on Nova, Lutzi is the bind. Yeah, so I. I love the idea. You can imagine on the beach of the down at Burley or somewhere Simon. Says championships, Simon Says. Oh, I love it. OK, so that's a tick. That's green lit.
OK, all right, second one now you loved our marathoner last week. So this one this week is there was a half marathoner. It's only 1/2 marathoner and this came his name was runner JMD at that's his Instagram handle. He ran 1/2 marathon juggling last week it was baking this week we're juggling. Where's this stock? This one I don't like as much as the baking. OK, because he's running quite fast I think. I think the thing about the
baking last week was that right? You are going to try and jog whilst baking a cake. It's so insane but I can't wait to see you try and do it. What's this guy at? What time's this guy end up running for 1/2 marathon? Well, you can go and have a look. Once I've just brought up 11749 that's. Impressive. That's really impressive. 117 is impressive running. Do you know what's more impressive? What if he ran a 68 without juggling? Again, this guy can clearly run.
Just run. You're not going to, Yeah, you're not going to sell me on these. I'm out. I'm out on that one. What? What do you reckon this thinking of that? What do you reckon would what? This is obviously evolving. Can you think of something that is the most idiotic thing someone is going to do in a marathon while they're running? Oh, I'm the spot, Liam. The most idiotic thing? Oh, this is a great game actually. Right. If anyone else has got some good ones, we'll share them next
week. But what is the most, what's the dumbest thing someone's going to do running a marathon? My mind's jumping to like or a half marathon. You know what? Let's In the Beginning podcast slide into our DMS. What do you think is the most insane thing we're going to see somebody attempt to do whilst running a marathon or a half marathon? Do you know what? 'D be more impressive than him juggling juggling swords. Well, juggling kettle bells.
Juggling all right on to the next one now this one this one's not so much off off. I did see this on like I forgot where I saw it on Instagram, but it's Strava mule. Have you heard of this? No, no. So when we're talking mule, it's kind of more like the, you know, the drug mule, the drug mule. There's this thing about that's been out there about people paying someone to run the marathon with their phone so that they can get the kudos on
Strava of running quicker. People are paying other runners to run with their phone in a marathon so that they can claim they've run win that race quicker. I have. I reckon I've got a couple of mates that would do this, yeah, but also they're not the sort of mates. Just to rub you up the wrong way so they could say they can do 248 or something.
Here's the the mates of mine that would do this are the mates who if suddenly a marathon or a half marathon popped up on this driver, I'd assume their phone had been stolen. Like I'm like, what do you mean you've never run more than 5 kilometres in your life? They're doing this as a joke. Yes. If anybody's doing this and if any legitimate runner. I'm not putting it past people. What do? You mean you don't have that
little faith in the world do? You I do what there's there's some seriously, I mean I only hear this through just listening to runners to chat and all of that. But the stuff that goes on even just around Strava crowns and people rides bikes yes. So this is a more legit way of upping that ante give you a phone to someone in the marathon and run. But you know, the amount of stuff that goes on with the, the bikes and the the running and I own this crown and I'm the quickest up here, I mean.
This drive of crowns are a funny 1 isn't it? Because there's an Instagram account which is the guy who's like, I think it's called stealing crowns and basically literally flies around the world trying to steal starve Strava crowns by just basically sprinting the segments and and getting getting the crowns. How much would I have to pay you to run with my phone either in a marathon next year? Well, these Strava mule ideas. Just I charge per gramme and I charge heavily. So depends.
Depends. Depends how many jobs you're doing next year, Liam. Depends how many MC gigs. You got I don't. I do like the idea that because this is brought to my mind, there's for those that never watch the TV show Suits the main character in it would take the law exam for people and get them the score that they wanted for money. It's the same. Thing so this I like the idea that you Courtney, could become a gun for hire next year. Literally could be the Strava
mule. Strava mule and just run them but. They could be more lucrative than I ever had in my actual racing career when I was losing them and the. Key for any potential customers out there is that if you're a 25 minute 5K park runner, don't get Courtney to run a 16 minute right. You just want that 22 minute or that 21 minute just. Incremental. Just it needs to be believable and that's how you don't get caught. And I imagine the drug mules out there are probably thinking the
same thing. Yes, yes, yes, yes. All right. Yeah. What? Do you want to move on to? Let's do more audio you've. Got some more audio? I've got. So this one, this one would. This is gonna just create another discussion. And this is actually in the nightclub space of all things. So we're gonna really pivot here. This audio is actually Simon Beard, who is Culture King's founder. Went to TSS, went to my school. Yeah. Not at my time. He's a bit younger, so didn't know him.
Can't claim that one. But he is a runner. Is he? Yeah, so Braden spent shared this with us, he ran the said. That Braden. So Simon ran the New York Marathon. Oh nice. And after he finished, he's literally said, I mean, he booked in for a massage and what he got was the evolution of the nightclub without alcohol. So have a listen to this and and see what he says. No nightclubs are trending down. This is what I believe they're
getting replaced with. I just ran the New York City Marathon on the weekend and I booked a massage straight after it at this place called Bathhouse. Now as soon as I walked down these LED dark nightclub lighting stairs and saw the game changing aesthetic inside Afrobeats, electronic music playing, super futuristic metal displays, I knew this was the future. Created such a cool vibe and it was packed down there.
Hundreds of people between the different salt spas, the cold plunges, the massive 50 person sauna. Plus they even had this other furnace style sauna which was amazing but one of its smartest moves. No phones allowed. I think this is going to continue as one of the biggest trends is phone free activities. So much of cold plain sauna running for example has taken off in the last few years. I believe it because it distracts us from the constant dopamine overload of us getting
hooked on our phone. But the really unique part about this place is it felt nothing like a day spot. It was way more higher energy and you saw people come in big groups, mates catching up or girlfriend. And talking and that's why I was like, this is so much better than just catching up at the pub and playing pokies.
Now I feel the big gap in the market is if you can create this nightclub style hype to one of these bath houses and remember perceive type is hype and feel it full of people that really create this network, fix energy, vibe, environment that creates this place to be the same as a club or a bar, you could grab so much of the market. Lots to unpack there. Lots. To unpack there felt a little bit like I did with the Gary Vee audio Greed with some of it.
Hated other parts of it. Jeez, you're the Grinch today. No, no, no, I think I loved what he was saying about the replacement of nightclubs and the the discussion around it's a bit like the Nike run that I went for the other week. It's that that is the new, that could be the new pre drink. That could be how people start their weekends with one of these high octane, high energy nightclubby vibe run sessions.
I think there is globally we are seeing that people value the benefits from exercise and being outdoors with their mates more than what they have previously. I agree with him there. I don't know if the phone free part of it rings true I think. For the nightclub part or the running part? Because he said the reason running he believes running is so popular is that with the dopamine they're getting from the running, that's getting them away from the phone.
Yeah, but fundamentally, most people these days run with their phones and they run with their, like most people around there, that's true. And they document everything they do on their runs with their phones. I, I think that's, that's an overestimation. I think there's a, a minority of people who run and do that, OK.
And they're the noisy few, OK. But I think generally you'll find that if you went down and watched the Esplanade every morning here on the Gold Coast, if you go down to the beach and watch the Esplanade, I'm talking like 8 out of 10. Nine out of 10 aren't that runner. They're actually out there running for the right reasons. What we hear about and what we're showing in this show is these social media clips and all of that.
And then is, is that noisy few you hear from because they're showing what they do. You don't see the rest of them. So I actually agree with the fact it's getting away from your phone and if you carry your phone for safety or you're listening to music even all that's fine. But it's it's a talking about getting off your phone and literally scrolling or getting off your phone and talking and
all that stuff. Do you think, do you agree with what he had to say about the not sure the recovery spa space being a communal thing? I'm not on mass, no. No. But I meant he's a smart dude. He just he just I'm not gonna I'm not gonna say like I think you know, he's an entrepreneur and a very good entrepreneur. So I think if he's identified an area he can and even talked about their like perceptions. Perception is perception, perceived type, perceived type is height.
Sorry, yeah, yeah, but it's the perception of the hype that you'll see It doesn't have to necessarily be the hype. I think you could create definitely AI mean this is happening around the coast at the moment, Gold Coast at the moment, and I'm sure it's happening in Sydney as well with these style of these new style of recovery areas. And there, you know, you've got your hot, you've got your sauna, you've got your hot bath, you've got your cover bath, you've got
your, you know. PB3 is another one. I mean, realistically, P3 that's this is just an evolution of that and putting it into a space that's a little bit more for better word hyped up where younger got like younger crew could go there and and be like feel like it's the next stage of that. But to be honest, like all these bath houses that are showing up like this. But when like I went down there and actually went to one at one stage just to check it out and I looked around.
It's not athletes using them. No, it's just people hanging out and half of them taking photos. Yeah, interesting. I reckon we might have to reach out to Mr Simon Beard and we see if we can't get him on because if he is a runner, I'd love to talk to him about, you know, how he became it, how it fitted in with, you know, obviously Culture Kings is enormous. He's out of it now, but I'd be be be a fascinating conversation to talk to him about how running, you know.
But I do like the one thing of all of that I did love is the fact that, yes, some people run with their phone and I do it too. At certain times. They either listen to a podcast or whatever it is. But you're not on your. You're not on your phone in that way where you're literally just sitting on the couch and scrolling and lost in a world of just watching, you know, arguably crap or getting for younger crew getting caught up in that world of like, you know, trying to chase.
Whatever. Yeah, like trying to make well. Likes or like, well, this is the real world because half of the stuff we know isn't real on there. If you're out running, you're taking in, you know, whether it's urban or a nature, you're taking in all that other stimulus and the actual and and even eventually you're running and you'd have this too. Like you can be listening to music. You can often be listening to a podcast and you'll find halfway you're actually it's just
background noise you're. Not really listening. Your mind gets off in other cases. So I do 100% agree with him that that is the reason. That is one of the largest reasons why people are running. Perfect note to finish on Prado. There it is in the beginning.
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