In the beginning episode 7, we are back once again. Courtney, how you travelling? Wait, another week comes around quick doesn't. It flies around, comes, really does. Election on the weekend, Big queen Queensland story, you know. A political Let's just go straight to the beginning podcast. Who did you vote for? No, I was actually. I was almost running around too. Election polling booths because of the the radio show that I do, Triple M's rush hour. We'd made a special sauce.
I saw that. For all the democracy sausage sizzles that were taking place, disappointingly we discovered that I think democracy sausage sizzle is is dying out. Just like the Bunnings. Cause more people pre voting. I think it was like something like a third of the people in this Queensland election pre voted. Yeah, well. When they send you and they you get in the mail literally like hey, you don't have to go down. Here's the form. Be honest as a as a celebrity, as an Olympic. Celebrity.
That's who's a big stretch 2. Time Olympic athletic stretch who is noticeable and comes with a level of fame. Do you post a vote? I post a vote. Of course you don't I. Do 'cause I was in amber on the weekend, I was in New South Wales, I was in NSW, how could I vote for that one? But. The big, the big news around the space, why I brought up the election so fast was, you know, with Brisbane 302032 very close now you know, some ramifications from this election.
We're stadium stadiums. That's the one we want to talk about. It's good news, I think. I could not be happier. Look the way I don't care what the 100 day review looks like. I don't care and I understand in Queensland as a state right now, there are cost of living pressures and there are big issues that are more important than sport, more important than the Olympic. Go and listen to those on a non sporting podcast. We're all about the Olympics. We care about the Olympics, we
care about sport. The thought that Brisbane might have hosted these games at Cusack, which is the old athletics track up there, which backs onto a cemetery, which has nothing around it, which public transport wise does it, nothing goes there. I think it was in 1982 Commonwealth Games stadium. I, I think that's how old it is. Don't I mean it's hopefully I'm right on that and I. Get the budgetary like situation that the state is in again, go and listen to those on another podcast.
This is an opportunity for Brisbane as a city, for southeast Queensland as a region, to show off to the world and holding it at an outdated, desperately in need of renovation, stadium in the middle of nowhere, not close to any of the other good parts of the city, is not showing off. It is depressing. So I am thrilled that it looks as though the new government has plans in place to either redevelop the Gabba or build something new. Victoria Park? Are you Pro?
Pro? Victoria Park. Yes, I am, if that because the others, the other talking point I'd heard about it was building it on the north side of the river. You know, where Eight Street is? Yes. Yeah, down more near the Gateway bridge, Yeah, talking about. Reclaiming some of the river and building something on the water there, which I don't mind
either. The thing I love about Vicky Park, and this is coming from someone who's from Adelaide and has seen what Adelaide Oval, that being turned into sort of the centre of the town with both football teams playing out of there now and the, and the Big Bash teams and test screen all. It has brought new life to the city of Adelaide and it has made the CBD the after party for these football games.
You know, whether it's a an afternoon game or it's a night time game or a twilight game or whatever, people flood from the ground into the CBD and that has given life to this incredible small bar scene, small pub scene. It's just it has brought life to the businesses within the CBD. That's why I think Vicki Park would be my preference because of the proximity to Brisbane city.
And then you see the benefits flow on, you know, this is a a town which is currently just in former Powderfinger member. I've forgotten his name but he's just been installed as the night time boss like the new Minister for night. Time of year, party man, but he's. Coming. But that's the true his job, his remit is to bring the nightlife of Brisbane back and if you build a great big stadium, state of the art modern stadium in
Vicky Park, that'll help. Yeah, I think, I think Victoria Park, you know, I'm not obviously don't know Brisbane all that well. But from the times I've been there, the thing I like about it, it's got space. So you can create it from scratch, right? You don't have all the infrastructure problems around it. You don't have to have worry. You can build it how you want it.
And you know, you know, when you see some of the legacy of the Olympic stadiums around the world, the ones that have kind of had enough space to be able to create that land are the ones that like last and give good legacy. If you can do that in the middle of a city, well, you're winning on all fronts. Aren't? You and I not to, to get bogged, bogged in at all.
But the other thing about the stadium is we know that Cricket Australia's already made it clear that the Gabba isn't great as a cricket stadium anymore, right? Because the, I think it's next year when the Ashes come to town for the first time in like 40 plus years, those Ashes are not starting at Brisbane. The Gabba is normally the kick off venue for the Ashes series and now it's starting in Perth
instead. And that is a direct message from Cricket Australia to the Queensland State government to say Gabba's not up to scratch anymore, right? It's not Cricket Australia's fault that is the Queensland government's fault that that Queensland cricket is sliding down the pecking order, right? The Brisbane Lions just won the premiership that ground. It's OK now. But it is, it is not. There is genuine issues with the
Gabba that need to be fixed. Knock it down, build some apartments so that you alleviate some of the housing pressure and, you know, build something that Taylor Swift will come to town for. Don't know if the lines will be too. I reckon they won a few more years runs at the Gabba with their home with their home advantage there at the moment. But I agree mate, we'll run for council. That's the next thing on your
well. Look, we can, we can run for council, literally run for those like that's, that's the just quickly, because you've been to 2 Olympic Games. How important is that? Is that key? And I know you didn't. On neither occasion did you race in the stadium because you're obviously on the triathlon. Oh, we went to the stadium, but you went to the stadium closing. Closing How important was it? Well, like, how, how memorable was it? More to the point. Not that memorable. Really.
No, I mean, because you're invasive. Because. Yeah, we. We. When you're not around and we literally just get bussed in to the stadium for the closing ceremony, you quickly duck under the, you know, the grandstand and suddenly you're in the middle of the stadium parties going on music, everything else. And at London, I went to the opening ceremony. So I literally, this is how crazy the Olympics can be for some sports.
So my first experience in Beijing, I was at home here in Australia, still training for the first two weeks of the Olympics. So I literally watched it on TV just like any other person, you know, didn't even want some part of it really. And then suddenly I jumped on a plane. Three days later I'm out in the country of Beijing and the countryside and I'm racing the Olympic triathlon. So you only spent three days? Three days before. Actually I think it was two days
before. You had what, 3 sleep? Let's call in country before your race for the Olympics. Yeah, in a house outside of Beijing close to where we were racing. And then we had I think two or three days, maybe 2 days in the closing ceremony after that to go into the village and check it out and sleep. So you asked me what the stadium meant to me. Well, in triathlon really didn't get to see it. What? About London was London. So London, different, different experience.
I, we'd always base ourselves in kind of down in the, I suppose South of France to train during the year. So we had a good base that was only an hour flight into London City Airport and I was the only one in the team of 6 who went. I don't care. I'm going to the opening ceremony this time because I might never get another chance
and I want to experience. So I flew in for one night to go to the opening ceremony and then flew back out and spent the next two weeks in France and then flew back into race in the middle of London and. Are you glad you did it for the opening? Ceremony 100% because I never got back there. So it worked. It worked. But you know, that was so that was when you asked about stadiums.
That was an experience and that when you look back at everything and the results and everything else, I think that opening ceremony is probably the most, one of the most important things you can do at the Olympic Games if if you can get there. So, but I mean, the Olympics at the moment, you know, it's even since I was there for those few times, it's changed so much. I mean the the face of the Olympics at the moment with, you know, their desire to attract youth with the introduction of
the new sports sports. Climbing and break dancing and. Yeah, everything that's going on at the Games, all these action sports coming in, you know, the Olympics was once for the traditions and I suppose I talk about it from the middle place because triathlon back when we had a 2000, we were that new action sport, I suppose at the time coming in as a new sport probably took a medal off another sport.
I'm not sure. But you know, we were probably the sport that people of like pointing the finger at going, you know, you don't deserve to be around here or whatever, you know, 5 or 6 Olympics later, you know, you're, you're one of the mainstream sports of the Olympics in the sport of triathlon. And now you've got, you know, the BMX and the skating and everything else coming in. What's your thoughts? Do you like where the Olympics is going all? Right, let's get into this.
I am concerned about what the Olympics are now compared to what they were in my prime viewing days. Like, you know, I'm talking probably not even Sydney because in Sydney I was when when the Sydney Olympics on what was I-16. Yeah, right. And I don't know if I was super invested in the Olympic Games at 16. So what did you watch? What were they say? Key events? You. Look, watch. I remember Kathy. I remember Kathy. I remember the swimming well, because that was the Thorpey
smashed the guitars relay swim. I remember those big moments and I think I I remember Natalie cooking Harry Potter. Yeah, in the beach volleyball. Still one of the. What a legacy. They've had still one of the great overshadowed moments because they were the talk of the town. I spoke with Natalie Cook about this for about two hours because two hours later Kathy won the gold. So they won gold on Bondi Beach at the home Olympic Games. What an iconic spot.
What an iconic moment. And then Kathy goes out and delivers the greatest moment in Australian Olympic theory. So it's it is that little part about you think if they done it maybe two days prior, they have a little bit more time in the sunshine, but it is what it is. Well, this. Is part of what I what what it's not so much a concern, but you know, if I looked at what I would do if I was like the Olympics, because I think it's saturated.
I think the Olympics has got saturated not by just the number of sports that are coming in. Because I actually agree with, you know, you need to bring in new sports to, you know, keep the youth watching and whatever is of interest to youth to go out and play and do and they want to emulate that those athletes. That's great. But with that, I think it's just become it's just way too much.
And then you've got the additions now of you've got, you know, multiple relays entering it, sports pushing for more medals. The swimming mixed relays. Swimming, running, mixed relays, triathlon, mixed relays, yeah, Which again, I think is a great thing, but it's coming at the detriment of just becoming too many medals. So you you said to me, I remember from Sydney Olympics these few key heroes from events, medal moments, like big
events. I think what's happening now is it's they're not bringing in a medal and taking a medal away from somewhere else. So we've only got the same number of events to watch. They're just for TV time. I'm assuming they're just adding more and more and more events into it. My question is always like, is
that fair on the athletes? Yes, it allows more athletes to win more medals, but they're not necessarily bringing in more athletes to the Olympics. So a lot of these multiple events they're doing, it's just offering more medals to more athletes, which is why I say it's saturated. So does that make sense? Yeah, you know, it really does. So you're. So if, let's say, if I appointed Courtney Atkinson to the Brisbane 2030 Olympic Organising
Committee, would you go? Or Glasgow 2026 on it because if you might have, people might have seen this, but basically Glasgow who saved the Commonwealth Games because Dan Andrews and the state of Victoria couldn't be bothered putting it together. Glasgow stepped in and is hosting these games but they have just gone through the running order and cut 10 sports I think, from the roster. Is that what you would do in Brisbane?
Wouldn't necess, I wouldn't necessarily cut sports, but I'm a believer in, you know, if you want to create like from an event, if you want to create heroes, there's only a certain number of heroes people can can digest, literally digest. Like you see that at the games where you know, one day, you know, we had like say I win the BMX gold medal one day. You're right. Within a few hours, something else happened, something else happened.
It's just continual. We don't really get to celebrate those true individual kind of performances. I think what as well as we should. Yeah, so sort of some addition by subtraction. Addition by subtraction. Yeah, I think, you know, you can even argue for the old, you know, the traditional sports like your swimmings and your athletics, they should be the bread and butter. They should always exist because that's what Olympics is based on, you know, by a faster,
stronger, that whole notion. However, even then you start to question with the number of events over time they're adding, you know, take just, let's just take swimming because it's an easy discussion. But running would be the same thing. You know, there's so many multiple events in, in swimming and running now that you know, as you, you can race the 50 freestyle, 100 freestyle this.
And then now, now they've got the relays, 100 relays, the 200 relays, the mixed relays, you know, more and more events. Now I come from the BA, the bases of an individual sport where in triathlon, one medal, one medal, fast, 1 gold medal and I'd be, you know, there's some arguments to say bring in Iron Man triathlons, Sprint triathlons and everything else. I think it's perfect the way it is. It creates one hero every four years.
What do you think of the idea that's been floated about for the Brisbane 22 games of Surf Life Saving? Introduced as one of those you know, home team, hometown pick sport. It's an interesting one. I mean, I think I like when countries bring their own flavour to those sports. They get to choose football. Is coming in in 20 in LA for LA. Yeah, so you, it's the country's right. And I think it should be a bit
of a competitive advantage too. So Surf life saving does make a bit of sense because yeah, look, the reality is probably only really a few countries that do it properly. Australia is the best editor, of course. We've got the most beaches, we've got the most competitive landscape, so we're going to win. We're gonna win. We're gonna win golf. So I'd do it from a competitive point of view if I was that. Is it for the Games? Is it the fair, fair sport for the Games? Probably not.
We're not. Probably not. Probably not. It's, I mean, I looking at going back to what you were saying about running and and swimming and the various events. David Rhodes, who's a former Olympian, I think he went to Beijing for kayaking potentially. He has made the joke. And I'm aware this, I work on a radio show with Liesel Jones, who's the greatest ever breaststroke of this country's ever produced. But David Rhodes made the joke to me. He's only in swimming.
Do we create three other strokes for people that weren't the fastest in the fastest stroke. Freestyle's the fastest, right? And yet we've created three other strokes. In three other distances. And, and however many distances for these people to swim like, you know, they don't have in, in sprinting, there's the 100 metres, they don't have the 100 metre hop, they don't have the 100 metre skip. It's just who gets their fastest in the 100 metres.
Swim however you want or run however you want, but whoever gets their fastest wins. And yet in swimming, there's this whole is it's an industry. So now there's a question does is the 100 metre freestyle swimming winner, is that harder to win than the 200 metre butterflyer? I don't know. I would guess the 100 metre freestyle is harder to win. I would say, well, let me rephrase that. I think any Olympic race is hard
to win. I think the 100 metre freestyle should be the more prestigious race to win. I'll say that Yep, because I reckon getting to the Olympic Games tip your cap to anybody. Well, coming from two people who've never won an Olympic gold medal. Well, coming from someone who's never, never competed in Olympic Games, but I have played international cricket for Vanuatu. Just saying. So, you know, we've always. We've always. You're in, you've got, you've got your caps.
We've all represented countries, right? Well. I like that. I like that idea where you say. So how may I look at it this way a little bit differently? And this will take away from my sport, particularly that I went to the Games for, but how many kids have the opportunity or how many people in the world have the opportunity to run 100 metres in their life? Anybody. Well. Anybody can save, you know, someone born without the ability
to run. And, and at some point in your life, you would have been through that exercise of go to school, majority countries around the world and run.
So you'll know if someone's a good sprinter or not a good sprinter once you start to get into more the niche sports or the sports that need money to actually participate in them, whether that's, you know, you like any of like, you know, the skill based sports like shooting archery, like it's not that neither is good, you know, better or worse equestrian. I mean a lot, a lot a shit load of money to do that one. Hey, it's coming from a real small.
But then you could actually argue how many people ride horses around the world to have the opportunity to to learn that skill. I would actually argue that more people ride horses and have an opportunity to, you know, with, you know, we're talking globally here, you know, even some of those niche sports. Well, I'm look, I'm not going to I'm not going to try and take the shine off one of our golden girls from the most recent Olympic Games.
But when you talk about niche sports paddling Jess Fox, what No, Naomi and Jess Fox did, and I think Jess Fox was the is the golden girl from the games. Probably she and Ariana Titmus walk away as the golden Molly o'callaghant walk away as the Kelly McEwan as well. The swimmers were awesome, right? The the female swimmers were unbelievable. They walk away as The Golden Girls of those at the Paris Olympics from me.
You forgot Jess Hull. Well, but I don't think Jess Hull walks away as a golden girl because she didn't win gold for a start, and because that I've discussed this previously, I think it's an uncelebrated medal. But Jess Fox and the swimmers, they're The Golden Girls from those games. And yet Jess Fox's sport is an incredibly national. Incredibly national.
Slalom kayaking, like I think there's only one venue in Australia in Penrith. Which which exists because of Sydney, because I had to mother, I had to build one. Yeah, super niche. You've probably got to live in Penrith, I assume #1 and I'm tipping, you know, in certain places around the world, I'm sure there's, there's more paddlers. But yeah, I mean, and then what? They've got 3 events now. Yes. They just added, added and added the action event.
Over the Gladiator version. Of it, yeah, they've added the action event where they race. Each other, you know. So 3 medals in in you know that sport verse. Well, in Rd Cycling 1. Well time trial Rd cycling you could argue you do, but the very specialist events. You know they've taken that out of the Commonwealth game. What's that one Rd Cycling and mountain biking. It's gone. Oh wow, from the COM games. That's interesting. Why would you take a cling out?
I don't know. It's probably the biggest, you know, Tour de France is probably the biggest, I think third biggest sporting event. I don't on the planet. I don't know why. Presumably Scotland doesn't have great roads. I don't know what the roads of Glasgow are like, but. Half of half of the cyclists have come from Scotland. That's just absolutely crazy. We better get back to some running though, otherwise we're going to lose a whole listen. But. I think people will have enjoyed that.
Tell us if you didn't. How's your week on the track been, actually? It's been good. Yeah, it's been good. I've knocked out about give or take 90 kilometres, 9090 K It's a big week. It is off the back of like the fact it was three weeks ago. I wasn't, I wasn't running. You know, I've come up really
quick somewhat. A few people have asked, you know, we were dumbing down some of our talk last week and a few have said, can you give us a like a little bit more information of what I'm trying to do specifically? So I think the, the biggest thing that I've changed coming back from the States and the thing that's giving me most motivation is I've got those numbers now. We talked about me doing those lactate tests and I've got some
numbers and heart rates. So when I'm going out on my hour, kind of, you know, base building or just like normal run, I can't help myself. I'm putting the heart rate monitor on. I'm like within, yeah, I'm in the zone. I'm within 3 beats of where I want to be. And so suddenly my, my casual run, where of the kind of being just fitting in with others or, you know, just going out and having a jog has suddenly become like, I'm doing it with real purpose so fast.
I'm noticing changes like it's I'm responding really quick, which is exciting at the moment. Hopefully not too quick that I get injured. Again, but people if people missed episode 1 where we kind of introduced this podcast and what we wanted to do tonight, Courtney mentioned in that episode Deer of finding that competitive fire and finding something that was gonna light it.
If you could see his eyes right now, the fire appears to be, I don't know if it's lit yet, but certainly they're putting the kindling on and they're getting it. It's getting there. It's getting there. Yeah, it's getting there. So I've had like a decent week off. I turned up to the Gold Coast Runco. So we should mention Tim Vincent. So.
So Tim Vincent came out two years ago and did Red Bull race the Sun. So the 24 hour event I ran and then went and ran Gold Coast Marathon in a like a ridiculously QuickTime about 3 weeks later but he finally just cracked the 210 mark. Top ten all time? Yep, top ten all time now. And I've seen his progress from literally he's been down there with the Gold Coast run crew, Jacko's coached him pretty much through this to literally being one of, you know, how old is the country.
Good question. I reckon I'm going to take a stab and say around that 2526 but I could be way off. I'm trying to look him up at the moment, interestingly. Been through uni working in. Where is he? Is he 26? 26 I was on the money. Right. Yeah, bang on the money. But interestingly, he's an athlete who's just done something remarkable, incredible. I think he run, he runs for LSKD, doesn't he?
Yeah, yeah, Just recently, great local brand as well, Jason Daniels doing, you know, great stuff there. And I I really that we should explore the idea of LSKD because I think it's probably, I don't not the only example, but it's a great example of an Aussie brand. It's an athletic wear company or it started out as another thing, but now it's an athletic wear company that is like this podcast leaning into the running training really. But I I also love the way they're supporting athletes as,
as a really nice. Yeah, from my understanding, they've like really throwing their weight behind him and, and look, he's got the results. So that's that's a massive, massive thing. So I was down there running with like the group he's in Brisbane now, but the Gold Coast group that he'd run with, we did what did we do last week? We did a 12 minute threshold and then ran on the track 8 by 200
metres with 200 metres flow. So there's a few of the sons boys are back training in that group, few triathletes and and just a whole heap of young runners and then the old crew that run around with. Me go. When you jump in with that, like is your? Is your running in that group still at the pointy end? At the moment it's last week I got away from the the big group and I'm chasing down some of the Whippet 5K and 10K as we'll be running at the Noosa 5K this weekend.
Really quick. But like I'm running to my own pace in that. But it's just good to be, you know, back around. It's hard to hard to slow yourself down because like you suddenly go into competitive mode and want to race. But yeah, so like I've been really chasing these heart rates and the zones I need to run and I'm quickly feeling like that's picking up. The other thing I've done off the back of our metronome kind of songs and the chat on running cadence.
I have been using a 180 metronome a little bit on some of these runs just to kind of just to re just just to remember, you know, just to give myself when I'm a bit tired, just to keep my cadence up and finding it find it great. Yeah, he's let me light on my feet. One of the exercises I'm also doing for my calf and ankle recovery is like rhythmic pulsing, kind of like a a calf exercise where I'm taking my my toe flexors out of the exercise and just trying to get strength in my soleus.
But I'm solely sorry, but with doing that, not so much focusing on the strength of it, but focusing on the insurance of it, but through the tempo you'd run. It's hard to explain on the podcast what I'm doing, but think of it like pulsing on that, on that muscle. That's kind of the first phase and for something we're really concentrating on in that recovery. For those that are interested, how how do we run with a metronome? Short of grabbing the thing off the top of the piano and and
jogging along with it? Like is it something you can set up on your watch? Do you would you set up it on your phone? How do you how do you run with a metronome? Yeah. So at the moment I've just got it on there's you just literally download Metronome. App on your phone. On your phone and type in 180 and you still listen to, you know, Spotify or whatever and that can just be clicking along in the. Background in the background. It's just in the background. OK, so even on some you forget
it say, but it's just to help. I just like it in the background. Help with rhythm. I'll stop this at, you know, a week. Oh yeah, it's just while I'm getting back it just, I just find it helps with rhythm songs. Obviously we talked about the 180 beat songs and we actually asked this week about songs of all things, the poll this week we did ask about songs and to be honest, we didn't. We got a bit of feedback, but it hasn't been as good as some of their polls.
So please go in. But ACDC AKA Daka came in strong. Which song? You shook me all night long. Multiple Dylan Rin who's a absolute killer in Ultra running. He was on that one. He that's what he listens to. Yeah, as he Gordon. Gordon actually said the same thing. You shook me all night long. Yeah, I'm just trying to think about the rhythm of man. Yeah, OK. Interesting. Yeah, anything drum and bass must be a been a Kiwi. Yeah, they're into that Foo Fighters, so there's a bit
there. But we, we, we shared our favourite songs. But I just don't mind just listening to the old tick tick tick. If you look at again, I think when we talked about it last week, we talked about the idea of benchmarking a run, mixing it up, try metronome, give it a crack, see if. See if it works. For you, set it to a rhythm, go for run, see if it helps, see if it doesn't, see if. See if you feel a bit lighter on your feet. Yeah, because it forces you into that.
It definitely forces you to pick your feet up. So that's been that's been working well. And then I got down to Yamba. You weren't a big fan of running around Yamba We. Wasn't a big fan of Yamba. A beautiful place, yeah, for a holiday. But the running, it's not much really to do around there. It's a bit of Rd, yeah, kind of run along the coast. But to get out of there, there's nowhere to go. No forests seem a bit sandy when I drove down a little bit.
So I actually came back after on the Sunday I came back home and went back out to my favourite Narang spot. Right back out of Narang. Yeah, it's like an old guy creature, a habit, definitely a creature. What if if you're new to listening to this and if you ever if you followed my Strava, which I've pretty much share everything on Strava, you'll find I'm a. Creature, I've been noticed. You are living out in the trails at the moment, whether it's on your bike or running around.
Yeah, living out. Definitely a creature habit finding something, but looks. Like you're running well. Like the based on your Strava numbers, you look like you're actually running, well, pretty good. I am, but on that Thursday session, my brother said to me I look like I'm running like a a FIFA FIFA 08 player. Yeah. Have you, have you ever, have you ever played PlayStation FIFA?
Yeah, yeah. So FIFA 2008, the players like we're just stiff, you know, they like what literally they literally as you move your joystick, they go in like a in a cross section. They literally run around in a square only. And he said that's what I look like running at the. Moment you're right. OK. Pretty pretty average. I think your numbers say you're moving pretty well. And what about you mate? What have you been up? To since we last spoke, no look, obviously news to triathlon this
weekend. So I've been again trying to lean that focus into the bike a fair bit. I actually off the back of our last chat last week, I went out and essentially copied one of your Strava sessions where it was kind of a 4K at a, at a 5 minute jog pace and then leaning into a 5K effort. And for me, sort of I was stepping down each K, so getting a bit quicker each K and ended up running that 5K at sort of about four O 8 pace solid and then came off and jogged back to that 5 minutes.
So it's sort of a fart like session. Yeah, and felt really good. So I feel like, and I've been trying them for the most part stay off running a bit because I've been trying to focus on the bike. But then today, day of recording, this is not since, and this is not exaggerating for effect. Not since last year's Noosa Triathlon have I swam more than 500 metres. And today I jumped in Tally Creek and Decay half an hour because it was the mental battle
it was again. I thought a bit about what you said last week about how long runs provide you with the mental confidence and the mental strength to run the distance. That's, that's it. That's one benefit to it. Aside from the the benefit to your lungs and benefit to your legs, there's also the the mental strength you gain from running the disc. That's what I was chasing this morning. I know I'm not going to improve my swimming between now and Sunday, which is sort of three
days out. Or if you listen to this on Saturday, it's tomorrow. But I wanted that mental confidence of basically swimming around in Telly Creek for half an hour. It is Telly Creek. Because I reckon that's how long it's going to take. You take it's. Going to take me half an hour yeah, Telly Creek is the best. It is amazing. It's one of the greatest natural swimming pools country.
It's so good and even. But even just for me, not a strong swimmer, just even the the natural, the challenges that the Creek naturally presents, It was calm day. It was a beautiful day, but the currents were still running. So I would swim across and then as I tried to swim up the Creek,
I was swimming into the current. So I was kind of and again, it was that right, I will you're not going anywhere fast, but don't panic about it. And then getting the little bit of the benefit once I cross back over the Creek and then swimming with the current and it's just, it's just, it was an awesome way to spend half an hour that. 'D be good good practise for the ocean on the weekend anyway. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So no, I so I did that this morning.
I had a few little interval runs off which went sort of out for a 67K hit and just someone K efforts. But for the most part, I am. I've just been kind of sort of, no, I wouldn't say tapering because I probably haven't done enough training training to justify tapering. But I I'm glad I swam because you and I don't want to swear at you, But this weekend, in fact, today, if people listen to this on the Saturday, it will be. Yeah. There's what is called the Legends Race at the Noosa
Triathlon weekend. Yeah, so they they kind of say it's a bit of a celebrity thing, but that again is a big stretch, is a big stretch stretch. But they get that will look, they get people from all the, I suppose, public walks of life around Queensland and around the country and you get you all in one race together and, you know, over a really short course in front of the crowd. So it's kind of like a bit of a
pre show. Yeah. To the Noosa 5K Bolt and the the CYC Pro Cycling event there on the Saturday. It's a yeah, it's a bit of a hitting, a giggle and you have. So last year I did it and I was in a team with, I think I was with Jess Shipper swimming the Olympic swimmer and. She still goes quick, she still goes super, 'cause I swam last year and she's tell me. She's a super swimmer, yeah. And I think Kenny Wallace was on the bike for us, right? I think, I can't remember.
And I ran and he's because I think the run's only what, 1 1/2 K or 2 1/2 K or something, something like that. And I ran out and James Tobin, Channel 7's James Tobin and I just took off, started running together and we're about 500 metres in thing. And we both looked at each other and said we are running way fast. Like neither of us can hold this part.
And we started out the same time as Beth McKenzie, who's in icon of trail running in this country now and and has the win triathlon brand with a with a husband, Luke. And she was just just, and I looked down and I tried to slow down and actually I recorded my fastest ever 2K that day. Like I ran like like 3 pace, which is so far beyond me. And I just 'cause you get caught up in the moment.
You get caught up amongst all the crowd and everyone cheering you on and I was trying to chase down Glenn McGrath and it was, it was an awesome day. But this weekend, today. I need you on your best. Your best on Saturday on the bike. I'm putting you on the bike. What? Are you doing? Well, I wanna run. Yeah, I know, that's simple. I'm guessing. I guess I should be glad you're not putting me in the. Water.
Well, we were gonna put you in the water and then, as this is, will be released on Saturday. I can tell you I've roped in another mate of mine who? His name's Yasu, you know, and I've never heard of Yasu. So Yasu swim in the Now let me think, he swam the London and the Rio 10 kilometre open water swim for Japan at the at the Olympics. So he knows how to handle himself in the water. All right, so he used to race Kyhurst head to head. What? What are you doing?
What are you doing to me? So if I do not have a lead putting coming into my run because I'm definitely not tip top at the moment, I need a lead. What? Are you doing to me, putting me in this Olympic sandwich where you've got a two time Olympian jumping in the water? I ah, this, this I'm, I'm genuinely anxious about this now because I don't want to. I don't want to be embarrassed and gobbled up by the by because there's some. Genuine. We're not putting it. No, no excuses early mate.
Weapons in this race. I'm sure there is and, but we need you to do your job. We need you to do your job. Trying to hold onto them like do you know what's most, you know what I'm most anxious about now? The corners, the crapness of my bike. I, my bike is not worthy of, I'm not worthy of being in this race and my bike is less worthy of being in this race. So thanks for that. That's alright. We we expect big things, Liam. So next time, next time we're chatting on this.
Yeah, we can be victors of the race. That doesn't matter. Actually, is there a prize? I don't think so. That's disappointing. Hey, can we play a quick game? Sure, I want to call it the recovery game. How long have we been going for At the moment? We've been going for a while. We still got time, quick recovery game because you got
all these. I think recovery, the industry's probably, I don't know if it's peak, but it's certainly as popular as there's ever been as this country and running boom, the fitness boom. This is the recovery industry you're talking about the. Recovery, right?
You've got places on the Gold Coast like Riggs and there's a place in Sydney called Recovery and all these kind of these places that are set up with the the Saunas, the hot and cold plunges, the Norma tech boots, this sort of stuff, the float tanks, all sort of stuff. Ice baths, ice baths. I wanna, I wanna play a quick ranking game with you as an elite athlete and I'll give you my amateur rankings, but I want you to rank. I will give you Norma tech boots. OK, Hot and cold plunge or ice
bars. Ice bars just called ice bars. Yep. Sauna and massage, rank those 4 based on what however you want to rank them. But I essentially like if you are, if you're programming your recovery from a race or, or a big week, how are you ranking those four? Like what's the most important to you of those four, and what's the least important to you of those four? Right. Well, I think I'm gonna, I'm gonna play this honest.
You, you talk about you being honest because it's different to what it would have been when I was racing. But right now I would be massage #1 Norma tech boots #2 right? What was my other two options? Ice bath and sauna. I'd go sauna #3 and ice bath #4. Why? Because ice bath is the very cool thing to do. Ice bath is very cool. I am. I'm a fan of ice baths for recovery in the sense of like if
you've got trauma. So you know, if you're a footy player and you've been whacked around on the weekend or if you've, you know, if you've done a trail race or something where you've really beaten up your legs or downhill and that type of thing and you're gonna get DOMS. So like it's you're literally damaged, then I'd probably put ice bar so higher up on that list, but just list a day to day. And the reason I say this, so I only go on the subjectively what happened to me.
So Beijing Olympics, I was training here in winter. AIS gave me an ice bath for my house. Like one of the machine ones literally sits at, you know, nine degrees, 8°, whatever the temperature was. The protocol we did at the time was I got my memory. I think it was like it was maybe, I think it was just a long, there was two different protocols. 1 was a long hold, so like a 10 minute just in there. And the second one was like a 3 minutes in, a bit of hot 3 minutes back, a bit of hot 3
minutes again. Now training for the Olympics mate, it was so, I mean it's painful training like every day you're going out and building yourself, the body, the mind, you have, you know, your red line and the whole time. And then every single day I had to come back and get in that bloody ice bath every single day. And it was, you know, Gold Coast, winter is not too bad, but it was cold and I got in there.
So I went to Beijing and I didn't race bad, but I definitely didn't race out of my skin or any better from that day. I stopped that ice bath three months later, absolutely racing out of my skin. Never ice bath again. Racing out of my skin. Didn't have a, you know, it, it had, no, just didn't do anything like, yeah, so all the science and whatever's, you know, studies are out there, whatever. But for me, I couldn't say to you it had an effect on what I did.
Now, someone would argue that that six months that I did ice baths every day actually had the effect to help me those three months that, you know, three months later. But right now today as like, you know, it's not, you know, I'm not training full time and all that. If you said to me go and sit in an ice bath, I couldn't think of anything worse, the anything worse. The ice bath, hence. #4. The ice bath devotees out there
will be that. You'll be breaking hearts, they'll be squirming, they'll be hating the hearing that. But I'm I'm for it for trauma, OK, but every day I just like you know, when it comes to recovery, you you miss what I would put is number one, what Netflix. Just rest. Sit on the couch, put the legs up and just switch off. I'd just go for Netflix and yeah, Norma tech boots at the same time. Might you know? Might add a bit of.
Proceeding boots too, because I'll, because I'll give you my rankings as a yeah, give me as an, as an, as an amateur punter. Have you had much experience with the normal tech boots? Like two or three things. Yeah, right. Massage one sign. I have probably haven't had enough experience with the normal takes to fairly judge them, but I'm going to put them at three. I put ice bath at 2. Norma take a three, sauna at 4. Hate the sauna. I can't stand the sauna.
Drives me nuts. Because you're South Australia gets too hot. You like the cold? It gets too hot, it genuinely I get uncomfortable, I don't enjoy it and I don't know if it's doing anything for me. I don't know if I feel good afterwards. To your point, I would almost put in at #2 as a late contender there sitting on the couch with a theragun. Yeah, right. I don't mind the Theragun. I love the theragun so I think. It's kind of like a master.
Yeah. The other thing with the Theragun I've found is you've actually got a, you know, when you're you're stuffed after training. Yeah. You've physically still got to put effort in holding it. That's, well, you know, shows. How differently we train it. But I mean recovery. Look, one thing I think with recovery is you can overdo recovery as well. And now that's going to sound crazy and people are going to go, yeah, this off is rocker.
But a lot of the the recovery I think you need to do we we, we look at recovery and just sport again. And I've talked a lot about, you know, when people listen to advice or listen, go on Google and check out all their sessions, they're looking at what the elites do. Well, the elites are literally doing all of that recovery because they get up, they eat, they train, they rest, they recover, they mass, they, they're doing all that because
that is their 24 hours. If you've got kids, a life, a family, parties to go to work and you're trying to squeeze training in and then suddenly you start worrying about where do I fit my recovery in optimally? Like I said, sit down on the couch with your your wife, your boyfriend, your girlfriend, whatever it is, put your feet up. That's true. It's recovery and eat well. Eat for well, food's the other one. Actually, we should explore that one day. Can we talk about and you?
I've got a I've got a shoe here which I want to get to. Got a present for you? You do have a present for me. You've spoiling me. It's not even my birthday, even though you miss my birthday. That's OK, before we get to the shoe you just talked about and my ears pricked up then as I'm sure some other people's do it as they were listening the audio training for the Olympics and how much it sucked.
This is just redlining. And then you had to go back and recover and how did you stay motivated? And while you think about that, and aside from the carrot of the Olympic Games, because I bring this up because I went for a run since we last spoke with a friend and it's a, it was a bit like when you and I go running, except the roles were reversed. We were running at a pace which was talkable for me and less talkable for him as we went, as we went on.
But we got talking a bit about the idea of motivation and particularly the idea of David Goggins and, and we had it was I found it a really interesting conversation, so much so that I text you afterwards and said, I want to talk about this next episode. But how did you stay motivated when you talk about Olympic training and how much it sucked? Let's let's just go to the Goggans a bit. Are you gonna? Go Yeah. You you've baited me with Goggans. I've got a I've got a story I told.
I mean, it's the other day about Goggins and it actually reminds me, I had, I had another conversation with a mate the other day when we, we, we'll talk on a previous episode about, you know, performance runners versus say you Ned Brockmans and your, and your runners doing across Australia and all the kind of the feats. And I was trying to explain what that style of running is to someone who really didn't know
running. And they, they kind of come back at me and said, Oh, so you're kind of talking like they're the David Goggins of Australia. And I was went bang. Can I use that 100%? That explains exactly what we were trying to talk about the other day about performance athletes and noise athletes. You've got David Goggins of Australia and they're the people's runners. They're what you want to listen to.
They're the motivation. That's what people are getting up to. And then you've got performance. So there's a there's a podcast, it was YouTube actually of a, you know, quite a large following fitness guy out of the UK and he had Christian Blumenfeld, who gold medallist at the Olympic Games, triathlon world record holder in Iron Man. There's a great video of going from Kona of him last weekend throwing up mid bike race. Yeah.
I mean, he didn't have a great race on the weekend and Kona, but pretty much has won everything. And this fitness YouTube was asking him about, you know, he spent a day with him training and he was talking about a whole heap of things. And now we're at lunch eating, and he said you would have heard of David Goggins. And he's like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, kind of. Of course he would have come across him on the web.
Everyone has. He'd be, you know, Anyway, he literally goes, the guy said to him, Oh, what do you think it gave David Goggins? And he wouldn't answer, which I wouldn't either in that case. And he said, well, let's just have a look at what he's done for an Ironman triathlon. And literally for the Ironman triathlon he'd done let's just first argument, say say 11 1/2 hours. And he asked Christian, like, what have you done?
Like what's your basis? And he's like, oh, well, in my first Ironman, I went 7 1/2 hours and he's like, oh, OK, we're not even talking about the same sport here. This is chalk and cheese. The difference. We're talking five hours. And Christian goes, oh, you know, I suppose. And he was being really humble about it. And he said, oh, I suppose like in a way, I mean, I would have finished, I would have done our presentations. I would have went back.
I had my shower, I had my food. I probably would have had to sleep. And then we come back and kind of congratulate people coming across the line. Yeah, that's performance verse. Versus noise. Voice noise and that's where we we, you know, I think that's a good puts it into perspective this space we, you know, we talk
about a lot. You talk about, I mean Tim Vincent as an example, a guy who's just run 209 that is a performance athlete versus noisy athletes, some noisy athletes who are capable of running sub three hours, but you are talking about an hour time difference here. Massive. So the reason I bring up Goggins because my friend and I were jogging along and talking about him and I really enjoy dipping into David Goggins. I love, I love dipping in on a David Goggins reel on Instagram.
I, I, I, I get it. It's kind of like not to acquire it to, but it's, it's like, it's like a, you know, a, a binge worthy TV show. You jump in, you disappear into his feed for 20 minutes, watch a bunch of his reels, and then you move on. Do you? Do you come out raring to go? Are you all the time? No. Not all the time. Sometimes I go, Oh yeah, I like that. I like the message there. I agree with that. A lot of the times I go, Nah, not for me.
The issue I have with Goggins and it's not really with Goggins because I think personal opinion, I think somewhere some people get lost with the David Goggins phenomenon, if you. And it's a bit like Joe Rogan too. If you listen to what they're saying, they are. It is all all the things that they do and say is for them. Joe Rogan interviews people he's interested in. He talks about things he likes UFC, bow hunting, stand up. He's not trying to tell anybody else how to live their life.
David Goggins talks about the things he likes doing for himself. He likes not even likes. He talks about the way he wants to live, the way he wants to exist, the way he wants to train, right. He's not preaching this well. He well, he is preaching it in a way. And I think where I get not frustrated because ultimately people can live their lives however they want. What I don't understand is when people take the mentality of Goggins and make it their
gospel. I think if you are taking the opinions and the personality and the way of life of another individual and attempting to make it your own, I think you you, it just means you haven't actually found who you are yet. Like, you know, I'm and I'm and I'm and. That might be part of the process, right to figuring it out, yeah. Right.
But it's this idea and often and we, you know, everyone probably notices who we're talking about here when we talk about, you see influencers who are sort of Goggins light or attempting to be of that ilk. And I kind of look at them and I just have a bit. I don't feel pity for them because they're their own people and you know, they don't need my be. But it's more a case if I kind of go, go find yourself, go, go, go. If this is part of you finding yourself in your voice, great.
But you can't just, you know, regurgitate Dave Goggins quotes and attitudes and try and pass it off as being unique in yourself because it's not right. You're doing an impersonation. Yeah, I, yeah, I'm I'm I agree with you on this. I think the not the issue, but because everyone has can vague, everyone can do whatever the hell they like, you know, live your life. But I actually feel sorry a little bit because it shouldn't be that hard.
It should be fun. Like honestly, if you're not, you just asked me about training, you know, before, like why I said training for the Olympics is, you know, was agonising or whatever it is because you're out redlining every day. I loved every second of it, though. I said on one hand I'm saying it it sucked because it's so hard, but I loved it. That the process of it, everything that went with it, I love it. If I didn't have that goal of going to the Olympics, would I do the same thing?
No, I want to enjoy what I like. I would do more enjoyable parts of exercise that I get more out of it. So there's a real competitive nature there. And then there's another side where you can kind of go down the way of, I suppose fun's not the word, but it's like exercise and what you're doing should be enjoyable. If that enjoyment comes through with being so structured that you want to go and win your age group at Hawaii Iron Man, then awesome. What are you? Awesome. That's amazing.
That's awesome. But that's not going to be for everyone because, you know, on the flip side, you've got a, you know, a three kilometre run club who's having a coffee and they're running for 10 minutes. Awesome. They're doing the same thing, but that's for them. It's, you know, you're always going to side on what you believe. And I've flipped the script because I still like get a lot out of the process of doing
things. But my number one thing is like good, you talked about Telebudger Creek. I love like I love running in the forest. I think there's nothing better than being at sunrise, running on a single trail on your own, listening to the sounds and the lights coming and you're like, how how good's life? How good's this? You know what's better? Swimming in Telebudger Creek when the sun's coming up and
it's a picture perfect day. There's something about being in the, you know, just being immersed in water that's even better. I, I prefer running, but I love the feeling of swimming and I go swimming. You know, generally when someone comes around, I'll go swimming on a Wednesday for that feeling, that feeling over my running.
I'll I'll and again, it's it's a shame we don't have video rolling for this one, because the smile on your face as you talk about running in the trails and swimming in the Creek. It is I, I'm with you. I, it's people talk about in triathlon, you probably heard these, they talk about training your weeks and about, you know, training that thing that your weakest. That for me, that's swimming,
right? I don't get the same enjoyment out of swimming that I get on it, which is why when I have an option, I'll go for a run because I, the enjoyment I get from a run and whether it's in the trails or whether it's on the road, I just the enjoyment is there me in that. And I'm the same with you. I I want to enjoy the activities that I'm choosing to spend time doing. So is the activity to you more important than the environment or the environment more important than the activity?
Because I'm, I'm actually I'm of the, the environment's more important to me these days than the activity. It's not a question I've ever really thought about. I think it's the well, look, if you if you gave me the choice of of going for a run in an industrial block where it's activity versus environment or you said, do you want to go for a swim in this beautiful Creek, I'd probably take the swim. So it probably is environment over activity.
Yeah, you're right. Which comes back to the circle, back to things we've talked about previously. The reason Noosa try sells outs, the reason girl goes marathon says it's the environment that these events take place in. That I think is probably as big a carrot as anything. But just to put a bow on the motivation thing with Goggins and all the rest of that, I again, I follow David Goggins.
I am I love it to use it as a it's you know, as a sometimes food, if you will Yeah, and those people who it's the staple of their diet. Good luck to you. I as if it keeps you out there motivated and keeps you doing staying active and fit and healthy and it gives you drive in your life. Go for. It 100%. Go for it, 100 percent, 100% Now, whatever gets you out the door. Whatever gets you out the door. Now, Speaking of getting out the door, Yep, What am I holding? I bought you a present.
So this is, yeah, we talk about, we've talked about all different run shoes, but I run particularly for Solomon. So that's the one you get a present from. So these are the Solomon Spectre. What's interesting about this shoe, So it's a full, it's a full, it's got a full length carbon plate in it.
But what they've done, I suppose from a marketing standpoint a bit different and the shape of the shoe is that they've targeted it at more of a like a three to a three and a half, 3 1/2, three to three and a half hour marathon runner. So. So there's a few different, you know, explain. How this is different to something that a 2 1/2 hour marathoner might run in? Yeah. So compared to the, and I'm not going to call it top of the range because they're both top
of the range. It's just that the design of them is just different for each runner. So particularly on here, you've got like a real like a lot wider heel platform. So for stability. So if you're running a bit slower, you're more likely to be a bit more flat footed or as you're getting tighter hit on your heel a bit more. OK, so there's a little bit more structure there, but you've still got the full carbon plate in there. But pretty much why I've never
run in them. I want to test the marketing of this thing. So I brought them for you, Liam. So to read between the lines of that it's a shoe that is too slow for Courtney to run in, so he's brought it to his slow running mate. Great. No, I am, I am genuinely, that is very generous. I love. You, you don't have to run in them, but I want you to try them. I want you to try them and I want you to give your honest feedback on whether they're, you know what they're like.
Because what I do, you know what I love about them? The the thing that has jumped out to me, I haven't put my foot in these. I am disappointed the colour wise, not a bit more, Larry, because I I wouldn't mind a bit more. They're they're an all white. You are a bit of a fluro. I'm a fluro. I'm a fluro flyer. But what I love is the and I think this will appeal to the average runner.
Is there is a spot on the side of these shoes where you can write your name and presumably write your goal time for your running race? Ideally 3 hours. So that like, I love the idea. I'm already like. So that's the present you want to run 3 hours? Yeah, I've just given you the shoe, the tool to go and run. So here's what I'm gonna do. I'm gonna and 'cause I'm going to run in these shoes and as long as they don't break my feet, which I I don't think they will, I'm excited to run in
them. I can see myself confidently riding my name on these shoes and then riding in the time slot beneath 25959 and then Gold Coast Marathon 2025. These will be the shoes I'm wearing as long as they feel good. And that like 'cause that is one of those running niche gear nerdy things which it's individual. You you like, you may put them on and go. Yeah, not for me, not for me, not for me. And that's alright.
There's plenty of shoes in both. Salomon, the brand I run for, there's some models that I go, hey, no thanks like. Can we while we're I'm, I'm really excited. That is very kind. Can we play a quick game 'cause I literally got a text message from a friend yesterday with a link to a a site saying 7 best road running shoes in 2024 and he said your thoughts? Best basic running shoe to get
me started right? So he's he sent this to me because I run more than he does saying what shoes should I buy? So let's do this in real time because the shoes that are rated on this on this page, the best budget shoe is a shoe called a Zorkoni Axon 3. OK, just kind of looks like a standard run of the mill jogger. Believe Tim Tim, Tim, Tim. What's running at Silk? County the best stability rated shoe is the ASICS Gel Kayano. Yeah. The best plush cushioning shoe is the ASICS Gel Nimbus.
The best for a race is the Nike Vapour Flyer. The best speed trainer is the Puma DV8 Nitro, the best daily trainer is the Nike Pegasus, and the best overall is the ASICS Nova blast. That's they're the shoes that are rated on this page. Interesting to note that three ASICS make the cut according to this page. And this is a a, a site I've never seen before called run, repeat. But I look at all those and I go and I've almost want to text him and say I wouldn't get any of
those. I would go into a. Store and try some shoes. I would go into the athlete's foot and try some shoes on or Rebel Sport and yeah, yeah, yeah. Not the athlete's foot has, you know, but I would just, I would not use these running sites as a guide on what shoe to buy if you're about to start running. You, I mean, it's the first thing we're going to say.
You you can listen to reviews. I mean I get different Solomon shoes and talk about how I feel in them and but the last thing I'll always say is go into the store and try heap of shoes on. Because in the end, everyone's like the the biggest comp, the single biggest complaint I hear about shoes is the toe box in different shoes. So how thin, like how skinny a shoe will run through the toe box.
So, and generally, especially with males who have some, you know, fatter feet, they'll go for a a shoe which is a performance shoe and everyone's talking about it. Get it and list her up within, you know, fights. All of those shoes you mentioned there. I haven't run in enough of them to be able to even talk about it. One thing I I do, you know, we talked a lot about expertise and coaching. Yeah, if I don't like, I don't. I've never worn all those shoes.
And I argue there's not many people who are going to try every single shoe. But when it comes to expertise and running, I look at it and go, well, this is where elite runners do make a difference to me. Because if the best in the world are wearing shoes and breaking records to me, then I'm like, OK, well, that shoe has to be one of the best ones, one of the best ones. But if you've got shoes that aren't being worn by the elite runners, I'd be starting to question why.
And of course, there's marketing in that to a degree of, you know, who gets paid to wear what, this and that. But there's something in that that they've and some of the bigger brands are bigger brands because they have more marketing dollars to do the research to get the data to develop the shoes. That's where I'd always lean towards it like expertise of what I've seen works there. We go we've got there's so much more that we that we wanted to
get stuck into. We've still had a whole bunch of conversations to have around like running on pars bond item manly ultra last weekend. Share that to anybody who listens that did the bond item manly. Ultra have you seen? Did you see the size of the field? Crazy event. And there's another great example of a great event with a great location, great environment. And a few and a few million people around it and.
It was and, and, but before we finish up, again, as we always say, like there was this, this, this, what we're doing here and in the beginning is, is Courtney and I are talking about running in the fitness world and everything around it. And what we're trying to build is this community of people that like listening to us and it is starting to grow.
And we want to give a shout out to everybody that's already joining in. If there's stuff you want us to talk about specifically, send us a message. We'll get stuck into it. For the average punters out there, for the average runners, if there are questions you want Courtney to answer as the expert on this, send them through because I'm happy to shoot them off at him. And that means he has to do homework ahead of this each way. But again, subscribe on Spotify, leave us a rating, leave us a
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That's right, plenty going on. Biggest biggest multi sport event in Australia. Second biggest Do you know where the biggest triathlon participation wise in the world is? I'm. Gonna have a stab at London. Correct. Canary Wharf Triathlon. Won that once. Let's leave it there that. Night Boom. We'll see you next week.