In the beginning, episode 63, a day where we will be celebrating Courtney. A bit later on in the episode, the fact that the Gold Coast Marathon sold out in 24 hours. Yeah, it we, we, I mean, we said it would. We did it. That would if you, if you're, if you signed up with the marathon, you haven't listened to the midweek episode with Benita Willis, go back, check it out. Unbelievable. Worth listening to. We'll get that a bit later. On Well, no, yeah, let's get on
to that now. So if you haven't listened Wednesday, it's like, what do I do? I've ended now what do I do? And Benita gives us all the answers. So Benita was back. There's some people who are really excited to hear the because we didn't tell anyone. But it was a little bit of a surprise. Benita Willis, Lace Up Running is her coaching business. She's back, she's on board. We're going to be doing some work with her next year towards
the race. My wife listened to that episode, by the way, because she got a spot in the marathon, which is so exciting, and she started spouting off all this stuff about. Oh, she's now you're. Preparing for the Goal Goers marathon. They're now the resident expert and I'm just. Staring at her saying I I do you obviously weren't listening to me. What I've been telling you this was she's. And she said yeah, but when you tell me something and then Benita Willis tells me the same
thing I'm. Gonna. I'm gonna. Listen, I put my hands up. That was fun, yeah. Hey, let's let's start with some fun off the top. This one was originally shared by Aaron, who is in the hand or not another dad bod, but plenty of people have shared this one with us and it's called it's a social site that's just been launched and it's flying called the Marathon Integrity Unit. So this is so. Good. Official unofficial time is the handle and you want to read the mission statement for me.
Again, so that handle. If you're looking for official unofficial time. The mission statement Our mission at the official marathon time integrity unit is to restore truth, accuracy and transparency to distance running. We exist to protect the integrity of the sport by ensuring that the times athletes share publicly reflect the times that they actually ran.
Their purpose is to uphold the standard that chip time is the only time to challenge the growing trend of GPS based fabrication, selective Strava displays and false PR claims. To educate the community on accuracy, honesty and respect for the sport. To protect new, new and emerging runners from being misled by influences or athletes presenting fraudulent performances, and to celebrate genuine achievement. Because the truth is always more admirable than the light I love we've had.
Plenty of these questions love. I take my chip time, do I not? Well, here's a sight just purposely driven to. Corp this is they have made a commitment. Now it's easy to set up this site, right? It's easy to come out and say these things and declare these values. They go on to make their commitment and they say their commitment is that they will continue to review, investigate and report discrepancies without bias, personal targeting or exceptions.
We do not shame, we simply reveal the truth. We do not speculate, we analyse evidence. We do not protect egos, we protect the sport. I love this. Like this could be my favourite. It's come late in the peace, we've only got a month or so late or less than a month left to go. But it could be my favourite Instagram account of 2025 for a year. I can. See, like I said, like Andy Buchanan's in there, Jen, Jen Davies from Red Bull's in there following. So they've they've made it. This is.
The the final go and check this out. There's a great final slide up that they say chip time is greater than Strava time, which is greater than ego. Always has been, always will. Hey, off the back, I'm just looking at this story from today and we don't need to say who it is, but there's a fella on there that has said he's obviously posted his result in maybe it looks like Berlin Marathon.
They've called him out, said, hey, we've checked the official results and it's not, it's not adding up here. So 399 to 3782 minute discrepancy, but but they go one step further. Why did they get blocked? They've made the comment and then suddenly they blocked off his account. Has this been happening to others? You know, they're not, they're not stopping at one step here. No, this is deep investigation.
I think, I think you can expect to see plenty of people blocking this site, but what I would this is there's a level of seriousness to it, but there's a level of humour to it as well. Yeah, I think this is going to be a really fun follow along. At the same time, I would say to people that if they, if I agree with what they're saying as far as you know, running, I don't think it needs protection. But you and I have a bit of a laugh about the influence and nature of that running has
become. And then we have had it thrown back in our faces by some people saying you guys are running influencers and we may be, but not in the sense of the the type of content that gets put out there by some running influencers yet. Yeah, it might, it might be on the way The but I love the idea that this account has been made to protect the authenticity of of marathon times and half marathon times and distances run and all the rest of it.
I think if you follow this for what it will be, enjoy the. So we're not just picking on runners here. Like as a a long time professional triathlete before we started chatting, all this running triathlon is notoriously short on their run courses, right? But it never stops a triathlete saying, hey, for 10K it is a chip time, right? But I don't think there's ever been a triathlon that he's actually the right distance.
Well, I can't wait for for somebody, for one of the podcast listeners to jump on the anonymous tip form line of this account and dub one of us in for something that we might have run in. Sure. Sure. I'm sure we've done something. Hey, but back to Gold Coast Marathon. Amazing that it like sold out so quick. It's sold out. I saw AI didn't have a chance to put it in here, but I saw a little kind of, you know, a little bit of good bit of marketing, whoever shared it.
But the Hobart Marathon posted pretty much, hey, we know a lot of people have missed out on the Gold Coast Marathon, but hey, you smart, we've got the Hobart Marathon to come down to. And look, that's all a part of it, right? If you if you have missed out on the Gold Coast every once or half try. We said it in the midweek episode, jump on the white list. There will be other opportunities to enter over the coming 30 weeks.
Because one thing, as sure as the sun comes up in the morning, there will be injuries, there will be withdrawals. Don't don't get involved with. If anybody tries to sell you their entry on Facebook, just ignore it. You are not going to be able to like don't I? I would discourage people. Is there a scam? Oh, there's yeah, yeah. And we've hit the point of concerts, right? And festivals where you know scammers will try and take your money because of the demand for this race. Don't.
Just don't. The only way you're going to get a legit entry into this race is through the official channels. I would strongly discourage anybody who's trying to find a dodgy way into the race. Jump on the wait list, keep an eye out on set up your alerts for the Gold Coast ASICS, Gold Coast Marathon accounts and Instant Social and all the rest of that. If the The safest way to this marathon, if you haven't already got in, is. I'm glad. I'm glad you know you're on top
of that one. But my brother in law is in and my wife are in. So my wife and her brother are both running. They're really, really excited. Like it's I've got a host of people from Sydney who are coming up to be a part of it. Someone actually an apologies I don't have the details to hand, but we we're at this point now with running where these entries are so scarce and important, but there are always not loopholes but workarounds.
My understanding, and I might get some of this wrong, is that had you entered the Toowoomba event, Toowoomba Marathon which is run by the Which? Is also run by. By EMC, you actually got preference. Preference for the Gold Coast Marathon. Now, I'm not encouraging people to do this, but apparently like the cost to run that, you know, if you're prepared to just take the hit. Oh. No, Jake. Hey, hey, please call out Liam. And as an influencer, everyone please, please do.
No, no, no. But that's the thing, if you, you know there's always work around. So if you go run the Toowoomba event. Yes, go and run the Toowoomba event. Support the Toowoomba event. Support the Toowoomba event. Yeah, and then you can get early access to the the Gold Coast event. Yeah, anyway, T100. Yes. So a bit of an update because we are getting called out hard here on entries.
In fact, we didn't have a team. So I have investigated and from my understanding and we're going to do, we're still going to go back a little bit. But for the moment, if you do enter just the team will be in the beginning podcast, OK, So just the name in the beginning podcast right when I ended, that's what I've put in. You don't have to. There's no selections down menu as far as retrospectively going and putting that in. We're still looking.
We're still. Looking to it, but if you're really keen go back in the entry, try and have a look and there might be. I'm pretty sure you can edit your details. Brett, I think is someone who's Brett Donaghy, big fan of the podcast and who has been on board early days. I know he's entered and he was trying to find a team name. So Brett, go back in, see if you can add in the beginning podcast as your team name for your T100
entry. Let us know how you go so we can pass that on. Again, reminder for everybody, if you miss Benita during the week, that T100, that 10K event in March is the perfect bridging event, right? We Benitas talked about you've got 30 weeks until the Gold Coast Marathon. You obviously can't go into marathon mode now. You need to plan out this next 30 weeks. You shouldn't be approaching your marathon block until April, which means you need to find events that are going to bridge that gap.
This March T110K race is a again, this is not my thoughts. These are the thoughts of the greatest distance run of this country ever produced. Benita Willis that that 10K event in March is a perfect one to build towards. Then you've got other events. Yeah. But you can include in your training. 100% and that's what, well, that's what she suggested for me straight off the bat. Straight off the bat, I ended. So you're, yeah, you're in T100. I'm in. I'm in the 10K for T. 100, Yeah.
What? OK, You didn't you weren't prepared to say it about your marathon time. Yeah, I don't. Oh, you tell me when you're ready to say that. OK, 10K time T100. Same same answer. Lee no, come on, you can't go predicting time. What would you like? What time would make you happy? What? What? 10K time in March next year at the T100, The first time I. Understand the answer is nothing's gonna make me happy, Lee, because that's so true. I I'm not gonna run. That's so true.
The last time I ran the actually the only time. Here's a story. The only time I've run the 10 kilometre race at the Gold Coast Marathon event. Now I have no idea what year it was. OK, I came second. Oh, I was beaten at the time by the Australian 10K record holder Ben Saint Lawrence. He goes, OK, yeah. And I believe I might have run 3030 minutes and 10 seconds. And I think he's just cracked the 30. This is pretty super shoes, boy. I'll put my, I'll put my asterisk on there.
But yeah, so it was Benny Saint Lawrence. I remember. Well, that's the only reason I remember the run is because I got beaten by Benny and then he went on to break the Australian record. That is, I believe could be the last time I've run a 10K timed run. So to answer your question, what would I be happy with? 2008 Gold Coast This is about when it was the Gold Coast airport OK race. You ran the Southern Cross University 10K run still the southern. They've been on that for.
Yeah, good on your Southern Cross University. It was still the Southern Cross University 10 kilometre run males 25 to 29 category. You ran a 3014. That's 4 seconds off a light get. Get the integrity unit out here please. It actually says you came third overall. I didn't get third. You get you came second in your category, so obviously racing against Ben there, but it actually says you came third overall. I reckon there was a wonky time in, but a integrity unit just
called it wrong. Do you know what else you did that that you came, you came seventh in the city to surf that year. You're right, you came fifth in the bridge to Brisbane. Sorry, no, I'm getting the years confused. I've gone back to that was 2007. Yeah. Anyway, results. Who you stopped living in the past, Liam. You asked me. You asked me. I. Love nothing more than being able to Google your name and look at your how fast you used to run back in the day. As a triathlete, 'cause that was
my day job. That's what I mean. You came. Oh yeah. I ran all right for a for a triathlete. I'm real good look. You asked my time, what would make you happy? Every PB would make me happy. But. What's your PB? Probably that's 3018. Well I'm just saying I haven't run a 10K that's the last 10 Ki can recall running. So you wanna break 30 minutes? You wanna break 30 minutes? Let's just say it You wanna break 30 minutes? I would love to break 30 minutes if your time can.
I break 30 minutes if your time started. With a 2 would you have a smile on your face of. Course you would, OK, but I'm not gonna say that, Liam, because. So I I. Because I haven't run a 10K since 2008. I don't think there's anything wrong. This is where you and I differ significantly. You are very much like, let's wait until the ink is completely dry on something before we even announce it. My my like as soon as I have a thought I think we should it's
OK, but. But we will be at the the the more obvious is we're at the team 100. We'll be running in the beginning podcast. Yep, is the team name if you want to join. The goal is by then we might have something for everyone to have a run in if you want to join in. Oh yeah, yeah, we're trying to find some pieces. We're not going to give way too much on that A. Uniform, put it that way. Yep. So it'll be exciting and yeah, we're looking for that.
Getting on to this is I've had I just, you just saw me. I'm on the Red Bulls. You are on the Red Bulls, yeah. At in early morning Red Bulls at the moment with you on a Friday, Liam, because it's been a hell of a, a hell of a week. But I was sitting in Brisbane, you know, we're on daylight savings time up here in Greece. I was on Sydney time yesterday and I had to get it up to Brisbane early to an office.
So I was sitting in a cafe in the middle of some industrial area, I don't know where, 5:30 in the morning and I got the. The beautiful the. Beautiful, one of my favourite
times of the year. I got spammed with the Spotify yearly wrap up and also the Strava yearly wrap up I. Haven't checked my Strava so I. Think I've been given my Strava early as a. Because you're a. Pro, right, yeah, I think they've given certain people early access, which feel free to call us out as a as you know, getting a special, special thing. Yeah, see, look I've had. You've been given a year in
sport already. I reckon what they want to do is ask to get out there on the forefront and start sharing it. And then I don't like that. I actually believe everyone should just get it at the one side. Well, I can. You should wait before you share yours. Let's do when? Wait till I have mine. You don't have to. You don't have to tell me to wait. I won't share mine. Now you will share yours. Of course you will I. Won't share mine?
Why not? Let's go, go and if you want look at what I do go and follow my Internet going. What is it this? No, we need to talk about us. Us have a rap. We can talk about it on the podcast. Yeah, yeah. I mean, sharing it. I'm not gonna post. It, I mean, I know you, I mean, you need to don't talk about it yet. Yeah, talk about when I've got mine. We have, but what we are News Face, everyone got their Spotify, their personal one. We're going to talk about our ages, what music we listen to
after this. But first I want to get into because we get a back end one from the podcast as well. The one thing that stood out most is we got our listener base. So our great listener base that are out there each week with us. I know your music choices. This is fair. I now I don't know this Courtney has seen this data. I have not can I say before you get into this big shout out to Benny to Adsi to I've had so many people message me to say that in the beginning was their
number one podcast the. Oh, and through all the Instagram messages that come through and sharing our podcast, yeah, it's amazing. So thank you. But here's where it's back on our you, you the everyone. We're we're talking. As you run along this morning. As you run along. OK, from our listener base, what would be at the number one song or even let you have the artist Liam, because songs are quite hard.
To choose 20/20/20. 25 From our listener base, what is the number one song an artist they listen to? I'm going to say the number one song in 2025 for our audience was Jelly Rolls Liar. Jelly Roll didn't make the top five. I just thought maybe because we had, we had. We have got we've got some country. So Zach. Zach. Bryan, Zach Bryan. Number two, yeah. Luke Combs Luke Combs #4 Morgan Mullen, You're. You're you're are. You amused? It's probably.
Like a working radio. You so they were number 2-3 and four. OK, now number one and five are the most outlying. Can I? All right, let me let me throw some at you. I'm gonna just throw a couple of artists at you. Olivia Dean by any chance? Factor. I don't know who that is. OK. She's not. She's had a very big year. Did Oasis crack it? No. With the Oasis resurgence? No. Give me a clue. I'll go to number 5 for you. I'll let everyone. I'm gonna leave her at hand, Fred again. Oh yeah, OK.
I mean I maybe I added, not that I'd probably. Be a big fan of Fred again. Yeah, but I'm thinking I'm probably not on our audience. List is that a tad yeah, but OK good good running is the is the music number one artist is it is it modern is it old school is it it's. Pretty much one of the. I'm going to give you a hint. OK, let's Taylor Swift. It was Swifty, yeah. Can you believe? Do you know how I picked that? The way you rolled your eyes? Can you? Believe. Who is massive?
Who is listening? She's massive mate, please. She's massive. Who? I mean, I'll tell you what, do you know the good? Obviously we've got a decent female audience or you and we, I think guys out there running to. Taylor Parents. Parents last. Year you reckon that they're on the. Last year, last year, I was my Spotify rapped. I was a top 2% listener globally of Taylor Swift because my daughter every day on the way to school made me listen to Taylor Swift.
So I, I was like in the in the top 2% of Taylor Swift listeners on Spotify globally. So much so that if you listen to, if you make that list, you get a special message that they've recorded. I had a special, special message from Taylor Swift because every day on the way to school, Quinn was making me listen to Taylor Swift songs. Maybe that's maybe that's. I would say that, yeah, great.
I hope we've got a lot of young women listening to the podcast who love their running and have been got involved with the running boom and they're listening to us and then they're listening to Taylor Swift. I I also think we'd probably have a lot of parents with young kids who are using their Spotify. Account so then and then OK so I nearly spat my coffee out by the way at this cafe when I read it was early and I was like what some.
Of the early stuff, this most recent album, Not great running music. Some of the early stuff's good running music. Courtney is shaking his head. Sorry. It is. Sorry, Taylor's got some. Do you know? Actually, it's funny you mention this because we'll go back to the Rapt in a second. I was running yesterday and I'm going to, I'm gonna do AI wanna. I came up with an idea for a reel that I'm gonna make. Yeah.
Which is me running to all the songs that I never get to play on the radio station that I work in, 'cause I was listening. Tell us. About that 'cause you said, I remember after we interviewed Jelly Roll, you said, I don't care what, what the producer says, I'm playing Jelly Roll. Did you? Yeah, get to play with. Yeah, I played Jelly Roll. I think I played Jelly Roll Liar on the radio. So and they were cool with that.
To pull back the curtain a little bit, the gone are the days where of call up and request a song. It's just not how it works anymore. For the most part. There is a computer algorithm that picks the songs. All the songs get tested on the audience like like hey, what do you think of this song? What do you think? So there is testing done and there's a skill and there's an art form to it, but rarely do the people on air actually get to dictate the songs that are
being played. So there's a like yesterday. What was I was running to the Verves lucky man yesterday, which is a cracking Zama lucky and you'd. Never be able to play and. Well, we might, but we just don't play it. There's just a lot of music I don't get to hear a lot. So I was running along to that. I'm like, this is a great song. Hip hop, I don't get to, we don't get to play. Hip Hop. So I'm gonna make it. Not triple, not triple M's main choice, is it? Although electronic, they could
do work. There's a lot of country songs that we don't. Get We'll get to the country. Yeah, in a moment, pulling back that curtain. Can you tell it how's it work with, how's it work with music licencing on you? So, like, if you play Jelly, you play a Jelly roll. Yeah. Are you paying a licencing fee every time you pay that song? We have to pay a fee to what's it called, ACMA. ACMA, I was going to say EMRA. Australian Commercial I've been. Across this a little bit. Yeah, there's a fee.
You have one of my first. Jobs, well, sorry, I'll jump in, but even one of the biggest things that surprised me, if you were like a larger corporate office and you're playing music in your office, you're meant to be paying a licence. What when I worked at, when I worked at a surf store in Adelaide when I was at uni, we had a company that dictated our music and we had to only play that because we were paying a fee to play that and we played any other music it would incur a
different fee. One of my first job was the radio station Early Doors, like talking like 12 years ago. I had to sit there on AMS DOS style computer programme and they, the system had had missed a bunch of songs throughout the last financial year or whatever. And so the ACMA phase were off or something like that. And so I literally had to spend like a week going through and manually ticking off these songs
on this computer programme. So yeah, it's the the, the songs are the songs that we play for a reason. Yep. But yeah, there's some. There's a lot of great music. Getting it by get into country then. So those three you guessed and they're the country stars. Country I because I I knew country was popular at the moment, but I didn't think if you took a a running audience predominantly yeah. And said, what are you, you know, what are three of the main
songs out of that audience? They come to that country. Well, I think this is and and we will get into some more. This is all running base, but we'll get into some more. You're running as well. We're running people what you're listening to. I think this arcs back to or this, this speaks a little bit to something you and I've talked about. Remember, we had a conversation many, many, many months ago on the podcast about the money
involved with surfing. And you gave me that incredible insight, which is that back in the heyday of Parker and Kelly and all these guys and Mick and the money for the surfers was generated out of the clothing apparel.
Now that market of the middle aged people that used to buy the Billabong T-shirts and the board shorts and the RIP Girls and the Quicksilvers and everything had pivoted and that is now an audience or a market that is they've gone by Ringers Weston and Harriet and these sort of country brands. I think this is a reflection of that change of market as well. Whereas years gone by when bands like Friends Will Roam and that kind of surfing counterculture music might have been appealing.
As they change their clothes, they also change their music. And instead, you know, while they wear Harriet and Ringers West and they also run to, you know, the the pop country stuff, the Zac Bryan and the Luke Combs and all the rest of that. I'm just impressed, you know, Harriet. Oh yeah, I know. You you know your country brands better than you do now. Streaming. Running brands. I do actually, yeah, yeah, yeah.
So this is the do. Do you have more data out of our our Strava, our Spotify Rap keeps? Sorry, I was, I was enjoying our chat on this. No, it keeps it's it's yeah. So I mean, obviously everyone gets their this Spotify rap and that the podcast back into the podcast 1's probably a little bit different, but the three other. So this is more just thanking
everyone listening who's been listening to us every week. 3 of the big stats that come through that are stoked on was we actually got called a 2025 marathon show. Now that's got nothing to do with running. It's complete coincidence. But fans that listened. Now, obviously size of podcasts matter in this of course, but fans that listen to you for fans listen to In the beginning podcast for longer than 99% of other shows.
So those thank you, thank everyone who's listening to us, the retention of you hanging out with us and we you know, we often go on tangents away from running. Yeah, like right now you hang with us. Yep, amazing. Thank you. A top 1% on Spotify of shared podcasts. Oh, wow. So thank you again. Well done audience in sharing it. And then finally, in the top 1%, I've talked about podcasts. That's amazing. That's amazing. So thank you. That's the warm and fuzzies. That's so cool. We'll Yeah.
Well done to every thank. Not well done. Thank you. That's what genuinely Courtney and I, this started because we enjoyed the conversations we were having. We weren't sure if anybody else would to get that kind of feedback in data as it we the anecdotal support we've received throughout the year. I will never forget the feeling on the finish line of the Gold Coast Marathon, the amount of people that were like coming up and saying hi, shouting out, saying thank you.
That for me anecdotally, was reason just to keep doing this podcast. If even if we did nothing else didn't didn't go on any other adventures, didn't do any other, you know, partnership sponsorships, anything like that didn't make anything else that reason alone. Those people coming up and anecdotally just saying, hey, I've been listening, thanks so much. And seeing them finish a race, yeah, was reason enough to hear
this information. Now, at the end of a a year like this just gets me so excited to keep going and. Has there been one particular person or someone you know that you run into and they've said they listen and you is kind of like, well, why? Well, well, I kind of surprised you. I'll.
I'll tell you a a quick story. Two weeks ago or a week and a half ago, I got a call from, I got a message and email from the Cairns radio station asking me, hey, the AFLW grand finals on this weekend, it's Lions V Kangaroos. Can we give you a call to talk to you about it on the show? And of course I said absolutely no worries.
And so Tammy and JB, which is the breakfast show in Cairns called me up. We we chatted about the AFL grand final and then we finished recording and then Tammy said, hey, Liam, I listen to your podcast with Courtney and I was like, she said she's a friend of yours. And I was blown away because I saw, I didn't think anybody within our radio station network knows about the podcast like some of them do, because some of them run and some of them do
listen. But I didn't think somebody up in Cairns knew about the podcast, let alone listen. Yeah, well, shout out to Tammy. I mean, she, I've known her from years, but she actually does, obviously with that radio and presenting background, does the same job you do on the MC for Iron Man being all around the world, at least around Asia.
Yeah, it's calling Finish lines. For, but I had, I had one at the Gold Coast Marathon earlier this year where someone came up to me at the end as they were finishing and said, Liam, faster, not longer, like, 'cause when we had that little catch phrase for a minute there, well, it's, it's still there. Yeah. Like, I get that one. Why people called out now that you're going to do a Miley, you've absolutely rooted that. Well, no 'cause I'm running it
faster. No. So, yeah, the the the fact that all this information is coming in that it's not just the way we feel about the podcast, but it's the way that you people who are listening feel about it as well. Very, very excited for 2026. Have you got anything more from Rapt? No, because I've got something I want to. See, let's get on to. This I want to just have you got running.
I just quickly on my rap, my Spotify rapt top five artists for No, I'm just going to tell you mine because there is a real stand out. Yeah, no. Well, I think I'm interested. So my number one artist was Mumford and Sons. They had a new album that came out this year that I just fell in love with and listened to a lot. Gee, that's, that's I didn't run. It's not running music. This is not my running music. Jack Johnson was #2 OK, Post Malone was in at 4. Oasis was in at 5:00.
But the number three artist on my top five movie was Hugh Jackman, because, and this is. Now can I take a guess on this? Oh yeah, go for. It greatest showman bang. I've been there my kids. I've been there my. Kids three of the songs of that album for the greatest Showman soundtrack, 3 songs were in my top five most listened to songs. This is why you knew about and this.
Is why I think the tailors. I I remember when, when my son was that age, The greatest showman, I think we went, I was on a may have even been during COVID by some chance the back end of COVID. I went on a road trip, went from Goldie, drove all the way out, spent Christmas at Edge Rock, Uluru and then went all the way down the coast through Cuba PD, out W camp and got down to your neck of the where you come from neck of the woods in SA and come all the way back.
I've got a feeling it was that trip. I reckon I listened to The Greatest Showman about probably half the time. How old was your listening age? How? 23. 23 What are you listening to that's ageing you to 23? Because I was 38, yeah. I'm gonna I'm trying to find my 23 chatting. I'm just. Listening to the wheels. I'm. Trying 23 that is, that is. Unbelievable. It's trying to find my rapt. Why is it keep keep chatting? I'm going to find these. Courts Courtney's searching through his rap.
Hey, while Courtney is searching through that, we have a little bit Oh, here we go. There you go. You found it. Oh, so you got a bit of this You got OK so it's all the Fred again stuff that's ageing you down. Gotcha. But my top song was why can't? Why doesn't it tell you who they? I reck I'm going to try listening a bit of Fred again. Give me who? What do you reckon my top song would have been? Something by Fred again? No, sorry. Probably some country. No, it was actually.
Oh, no, there's a, there's a song. You've told us before what that song that you love running to most is. It's a it's a 360 song. Yeah, the 360. No, my my top song was Down Under really man, down on. But it was a techno version like a like was an electronic version. Land down on yeah, land down on the Techno Ocean. That's why you're ageing down, because you're embracing all. That royal. Odours. Royal Otis. Number one, awesome. They were in my top. Good neighbours, good
neighbours. Up there, OK, yeah. So I think now's in a good time. We've just talked about how much we appreciate the support of the audience. IA little bit of news for everybody out there. It's not just Courtney and I that feel good about the Bogas. It's not just you, the people listening to it who are saying that it's good. Courtney We are a an Award nominated podcast. Thank you ever we. The in the beginning has. At the Gold Coast Triple M. Is this the? Triple M Gold.
Coast No No Courtney in the beginning, is a finalist for the 2025 Australian Sports Commission Media Awards. Sports Commission. Yeah, we we have been shortlisted as one of the five finalists for the Best Sport podcast of 2020. Five OK, so my my immediate question is who else? Like what kind of podcast? So we are we are going up against the podcast that won last year, which is the Final Word Cricket podcast.
We're Backcourt, which is a Netball Australia podcast, ABC Sport Daily by the ABC, Sportish by Libby Trickett, OK and her sister Georgie Trickett, and then in the beginning by Liam Flanagan and Courtney Atkinson. So we are our finalists. So next February we will be headed to the SCG for the awards night. All the big. Swinging will we? That's news to me. Yeah, we're off. We we get to go down there for an awards night. We'll be suited and booted.
I think Bruce McMahon is receiving some big award there on the night and you and I will hopefully be bringing home a trophy. Trophies against ABC. I'll tell you what, I'd be disappointed if we lost ABC. Can I say that? You can I've I've lost this award before. I did a podcast in a previous life that also made the final. And you lost it to ABC. Now who? Did I lose to I lost to narrowly Meadows. Narrowly, Meadows had a podcast
that. It's a government organisation, you know, they're skewed towards, they don't like private, they don't like private. We are being judged on the quality of our work. Courtney Atkinson. Not well. That could be another another. Issue. Yeah, Anyway, good news, Yeah, very good news. Just jumping into some running. Can I thank everybody because the amount of people that have reached out offering to help me with the Mylar? You're sort after, aren't you?
Yeah. I don't know, you know, whether it's a good thing or a bad thing that they think, look at me as a, as a charity case that really needs the help or as a project that they can mould into their own. I hope you just see coat tails that you can jump on because I'm going to go so well. But no, thank you. There's been so many people reach out and offer help and support and I'm going to get back to you all. I, I will take all the help and support that's being offered to
me at the moment. And, and can I also say one more thing, guys, Reedy is a friend. He's very much on my side. What did you do was. This. I had a few people reach out saying oh stuff ready and I'm like no. Concerned for you? Concerned for you? Mental. Health ready? He's just being ready. He's just being the pragmatic, practical person he's being. He's he's, he's trying to keep my feet firmly on the ground about he did. It in a more direct way than I did. Yeah, exactly.
Ready is very much of the Courtney Atkinson School of Running and approach to running. I'm off with the fairies thinking life's great, everything's going to be a piece of cake. So Ready is very much in my corner. But just one of those realistic voices that is good for you to have if you're if you're tackling anything like this, Milo Challenge is presenting well. Tell us about your running. What's going on? So I'm, I'm feeling really good.
I'm loving the gym work. My legs feel very strong. Strava just I'm going to jump around here. No, because I think I've, you know how we've talked about Strava and the growth of Strava and the development of Strava privatise or the pub, the public listing of Strava that's been
reported as well. I think I've figured out a natural addition evolution, whatever you want to call it for Strava, because right now for anybody that does have the paid subscription service, when you run, it provides AI analysis. Yeah, it provides, it gives you a little a synopsis. It what does it call it? Athlete intelligence. Right now I went for a run. I'll, I'll, I'll do this. I'm going to be pretty blunt. It's pretty useless. So, well, this is my point, right?
I went for a run on the other day and I saw Maddie Hauser actually going. Now that it's funny, since I've since we had Matt Hauser on this show, I see him everywhere. Like he lives nearby to me. But I have seen him everywhere since we did. He did he. Yeah. He gave me a wave. Well, we're running the other way, thankfully. OK, but let me read you this. Athlete intelligence. And I wanted just you listen to what Shrava gave me and you try and predict what I did, if that makes sense.
Sure. Is the athlete intelligence from Shrava from my run. A speedy run with kilo final kilometres hitting your fastest pace of the month and crushing some intense intervals. This run was a solid performance, significantly faster than your 30 day average pace. Your heart rate distribution shows a strong effort, with nearly 55% of time spent in
tempo and threshold zones. The activity featured impressive interval work with quick paces during one minute and 92nd intervals that demonstrate good speed and intensity. Jesus a fair. Bit in that. Yeah. Talk. Talk about social media skewing your mind on your talk and running, that's what what. Did you hear out of that? Well, the fact it's picking up, there's repetitions in there. You must have been doing some type of over under or some type
of repetition work. I'm thinking and then, but knowing what the AI often does on Strava, were you did you build your run? That was a Mona. That was a Mona. Session right in the. First, you're right in the yeah, But here's what, and this is where I think, because what I think where Strava needs to or can go to, should go to, should be looking to arrive at. There are universal truths in running like Mona is a universal session. Yes. Strava should be able to see that.
Yeah, you think it should not? Strava should be able to review that run and go. This is a Mona session and and provide the feedback appropriately or or you know that that's where that AI element of Strava, that's where that the benefit of Strava having purchased runner this training programme, that's that evolution. I would love to see them arrive at which is where they can observe and analyse a session that you've done and be able to actually bring running intelligence to it.
Yeah. Does that make sense? Sorry, I just got a message from Benita of all people. Saying Liam, don't listen to Strava. I should not be. She can. She's obviously hurt you. That was a shit session. Don't listen to Strava. It's like I should have been checking my phone in the middle of time. What are you doing? Running Mona, you're meant to be resting. She's listening.
No, you know what I'd want to hear from her talking about AI and Strava. What I'd want to hear is I agree it should pick up manas, but it should then give you practical advice to say, hey, this is an improvement in your manas. Maybe you should think about doing this session to build on your fitness. Or maybe you could tack on this next time. Or if it goes the opposite way and you're you, it can see your heart rates high and you're up.
It could, you know, might say, I can see you've had a tough day. Hey, but. The weather was 30° and the humidity, it's probably don't worry about it too much. It's the weather next week, come back that's practical. Because for anybody that's used ChatGPT for anything out there, ChatGPT is eternally optimistic and positive. Yep, there it is really hard to get a, a real true critique of anything you're doing from ChatGPT.
I've actually tried to ask it to make some right, some negative jokes before and it it wasn't prepared, basically said no. And that's where to your point, Strava, that AI intelligence part of it, that athlete intelligence, that feedback, that critique, it needs to be more. Critical, honestly, right at the moment. I mean, they're probably, if it's true AI, it's obviously a
train, It's probably training. It's whatever you want to call it, Brain. Yeah, but right at the moment, just don't even bother showing it's. It's nothing more than a pat on the bum. It's useless. Yeah, it is, absolutely. It's a cheerleader. It's not even, it's just just take it off until you get it to a point that it's always
worthwhile. Hey, there's been, I'm talking about AI. There's been because I've done a few trips to Brisbane this week which are 4 hour round trips these days, you know what I mean? Like, yeah, it's going. Up and back. There's been plenty of podcasts, things on back. All the bigger US podcasters have been really into the AISAI stuff lately. And just, you know, the whole notion of, you know, the end of the world. Like, what is it gonna be? Yeah.
You don't want to listen to too much of that stuff. Nah. They talk about getting, you know, down on things. Yeah. You don't want to be thinking. About it. So Strava, get rid of it. Yeah, get rid of it.
It's something we don't need. Now I've got a question for you because going back to my running, I did a mono session for, by the way, we I've been through this phase before for people that have been in the scene for a while where you do enough easy runs and I've just been kind of ticking my legs over of like averaging kind of 40 to 50 KS a week just to keep my legs rolling over. But it's all been kind of easy
or it's been up in the trails. And if you do those for long enough and avoid speed, it, it can be intimidating to go out and do a speed session. That mono session is one of my favourite sessions I've done for a while. Like and it wasn't, it wasn't overly taxed like it wasn't a hard session, sorry. Where? Where did you do? It I just did it out the front on the flats, yeah of of where I'm, I mean on the South end of
the coast. But my average pace of over the I did a little over 10K's at 442 is as quick of average pace over 10K as I've had for a very. Long time. So you go. You're moving well. I had a great, I had a great run and then yesterday I had a really easy, like deliberately, I ran an average of 520 pace for 11 KS, like deliberately, really slow. Tried to really focus on just cruising and that run felt great. So I woke up the this morning off the back of that run feeling amazing.
Body feels really good this weekend though, and this is what I want to talk to you about. I want to go up Paige's Pinnacle. Cool, How do I? Are you asking me to take you? How do I do it? No, you don't have to take it, but how do I do it? I would love to no we. And do you know what's to blame? We're going to come full, full circle here on influences. Who was bloody Maddie Poole? No, I've never met Matt.
He seems like a great fella. Iron Man, one of the crew there, you know, he's he's he failed to qualify for this year's series. So he's but he does some commentary work and I love, I love, man. What? Was he doing up at pages? So he was up there he's done a sponsored post for the Oakley meta glasses, the new Oakleys that have come out with the glasses in the front and he's done this real and he's he's sold me hey, because he's.
Sold on pages or the glasses? Oh, he's actually it was a sponsored post for Oakley's meta glasses, not for pages pinnacle, but he's at the top there and saying hey. Looking over the side or. Something, hey, what's the elevation up here and all that sort of stuff? Yeah. And then I was like, I want to go around that. I've got to have a look, yeah. I want to go around that I. Can't imagine Matt being too coordinated to get across pages properly.
No, no, I say that not in a, not in a Shots fine. Not in a in any bad way. There is no other way, water guy. There is no other way to criticise someone's coordination. No, no, no, I don't mean it. I would be happy to be criticised in the water myself. I don't mean it in a negative way, but you looked really uncle going. Because I know he's a Waterman. He's a Waterman. And Paige's, I think I told this story. I took the monster NFL Australian NFL player.
I can't remember. Yeah, I took him up there. I've taken plenty of people up the pages because the Ridgeline depends on which way you go. There's two options, OK, you can get across the first like Ridgeline and it's not vertical down, so it's not crazy, but it's enough that if you're a little bit scared of heights or a bit worried of your footing, it's not the easiest place to get across.
There's a little bit you got to, you know, probably 3 points of contact, climb across or you can duck under, walk along kind of the edge of underneath the first Cliff and get around. So I never know how people are getting out there, but I've taken a few people across that top Ridge and it's not like you want to be sure of your footing. The reason I say, and I'm not having to go Maddie, but. He's he's a big water guy. He's a big guy. He's a big water guy. He can run though. He runs, he runs.
He runs really well, but he's a tall, big guy, big feet. I just can't imagine him getting across pages like, like really, really, you know, running across, running across pages, Yeah. So where do you cause yeah, well like is it do you go same path up from Springbrook? Like is that your access point or do you go from in boomerang farm kind of way? We can go both ways. It's definitely a longer slog to come from what they call Pollys down the bottom there, which would be the Springbrook way.
You're thinking there's a loop you can go around and run there, but it's a tough old loop. Well, hey, I reckon. The more basically what I'm looking for and as look, as I said, I've had a really great Mona set this week. I've had a nice easy run where I just just kept what do you. Just want to walk up there to see it. I know I wanna I'm looking for, I'm having a great time out in
the border trail, right? I've also I had a great single trail like you, Courtney and I went out for a run around the border trail whenever we did and I basically knew the fire track. Yep. And you said to me there's a whole whole heap of single trails down there and then I ran it with a neighbour the other week and now I'm just going to be running single trails through there. It's amazing through there. So there's. This is what I say. I know I shouldn't say.
I'm not going to say it. No, no, no, no, no. I'll get a backtrack on that. The single trail stuff though, it's we talked a bit about it when we were introducing Lee to trail running a few weeks back or when you did that entry thing to trail running is that. It's way nicer running on the single track. It is way nicer, but it also takes a level of confidence and familiarity with your environment to feel comfortable doing it, particularly by yourself. Right.
I'm now comfortable running single trails through the border Trail because I know it's it's kind of like the Gold Coast in that it's a strip. I know I can't get lost on the left because it's old mate from Billabong owns that whole section and I can't get lost on the right because it's the road. So I've got this corridor to work within and I'm not going to get lost. Yeah, that's why. Do you know? That area, it's just random story. Covid's over.
We can talk about it now during COVID, you know, when there was all the border stuff going on. So literally as you're running through that single track, yeah, fence line up there is the border. So effectively the single track from my from my understanding, yeah, you're on the on the other
side you're running in NSW. So during COVID, with all the issues that were happening, people coming up and thing there was nothing stopping someone just walking up into that area it. Wasn't a hard border. It wasn't a hard border. It wasn't a hard. Border if you if you knew the crumb and trails. But the reason I asked about? Patriots. Backpack The reason I asked about Pages Pinnacle is because
I'm loving the border trails. I know Nerang is there for me when I get the time to make the drive up and and run around Nerang, but I'm also looking for I want to I know spring. I just I'm just going to explore more trails. Well. Explore away pages is a shit of you're not gonna. There's no running, OK? It's not running. No, that's a climb. It's a climb. So it's a hike. If you go from the Namamba Valley side, you're literally gonna climb 3K straight up a hill.
OK, which is isn't a bad thing either, because the other. It's a hard 3K the. Other feedback I keep getting from everybody who's reached out about the Mylar is stairs, stairs, stairs, stairs, stairs, stairs, stairs, stairs. Yeah, but like what I'm saying is there's better options if you want to go and run, OK, But if you actually just want to go and see pages Pinnacle? I'd like to do both.
It's probably a better one just to go and grab, take some food and go up for sunset or sunrise like it's a more of a high. OK, well have you taken your kids up it? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I've got the last time I took the kids up, we went up for sunset. I believe this has come back years ago. Oh, it's. Super. Fun. How old were they? Yeah, probably not your kids age a little bit older, but I can recall. Oh, I had.
We had a great time. Because like the you want something to do with your kids that's fun. Yeah. Go and do those single trails at night with head torches. Oh, really? Yeah. OK. 100%. Put some Taylor Swift on. Kids in the dark, in the Bush, they're going to have a ball. OK, absolute ball. Yeah, as long as they don't take their head torches off and disappear. You've got you've got trackers on your kids. I don't know about those. Yeah, fuck kids. Yeah, that's but that's where
I'm at with running. Again, Body feels good. I do need to the the there's kind of the looming spectre in my life, as we've talked about before, is the is the qualification race. So I've got to make sure I've got that one locked in. But yeah, no, I'm loving running at the moment. It's great. Well, I've got running news in the sense I can. I'm at a probably at a week where I start to I can talk about running. It's not just I'm not just going out. That's why I haven't talked
about it much to now. It's been like it's a little bit like we said, you know? Should you post a run on Strava? Did you? Use a little run on Strava of yours yesterday. Well, should you post a run on Strava or if you just go on and run in 10K easy or 5K easy or whatever? Post whatever you want on Strava you can. Post whatever went on Strava. But the question is, should you or I don't? I never really saw the point of talking to people and going or
what did you have done Running? Well, I've been running. There's nothing more than I've been running OK this week, however, I obviously been doing a fair bit of gym. It's all going well. Yeah, got into the Spit with the crew on Tuesday. Now I've been going in there warming up. This is with the, the, the Gold Coast. Yeah, the Gold Coast, but
they're moving pretty quick. I warm up with them and then I've just been kind of jogging along for the set for the 20 minutes or 30 minute session or whatever and then jogging out and just keeping it nice. And this week I thought the session was 4 minutes, 4 minutes on run or whatever, and then 4 minutes. One minute easy on float, float, 30 seconds fast, 30 seconds float back into 4 minutes, four times. So it's a 24 minute session. OK, good session. Great.
Session. Yeah, yeah, it was like super good session. Louis did it. It was the one who suggested. It so just get hold on just for everybody out there playing along, break that down. You have you warmed up? Yeah, so 20 minutes warm up. 20 minute warm up and then it's 4 rounds through the set which is a. 6 It's a 6 minute set, so 4 minutes on one minute off 30 seconds on 30 seconds off times. 4 Yep. And with 30 seconds being fast and then you've got 30 seconds
rest 4 minute pacing. Well, I I mean, everyone was doing the pacing they can control, so control pacing. I don't think it was too much. So you trying to run like but for when they say 4 minutes on yeah, so 4 minutes fast, 4 minutes fast. Okay. With the allowance then you go into the 30 seconds and can pick it up. Yeah.
So it's it's a pace that you've got to be able to hold, but you've got to have another gear to go to, even if it's just for 30 seconds and you've got to be able to sustain it through four sets. I'm sure there was a prescription, but the fact that I didn't plan to run it, I
wasn't listening beyond that. But what I did, so I ran on the back and I thought I'll just, I kind of ran off and I wasn't going to do any speed, but I ran on the back of them, the backpack and just kind of started tapping along and felt good. So I kept tapping along, felt better, just kind of kept tapping along. So I averaged for those out there, love their stats and all that type of thing. So this is the first time I've run pretty much any quicker than just easy jogging around in a
fair while now. And I think we averaged still 4 minutes, just under 4 minutes for the whole, what was it, a 24 minute effort? Yeah. Well, 24 minutes. Great, So then I've been away. They had a busy week. Wednesday night I'll give a shout out to the Brisbane Olympics. So this week we had a. Believe, belong, become. You heard it. Did you get a right? Did you get the media release? Yep, the New Meadow. Believe belong become Brisbane 2032.
So that's the they've. Stolen it from a school really. Kings. Kings College in Brisbane, That's the school motto is that. The exact school motto. Really, I think there's always the schools that have got that. Really. Can you check? Can you Fact Check that? I would say a big agency would have done that. So yeah, I've been behind the scenes. I've been obviously helping, you know, helping get that campaign, you know, doing some content and helping get that campaign launched.
And it was a big opening night. And it was at Star City up in Brizzy. And I'll tell you what, was it an opening? You know, radio pot bellies. Yeah, One of their songs is the campaign song. So once, once all the. Not the I love it. I think that's Pot Bellies. Pot Bellies. What's their other song? Hot. Bellies. I had a they they did a few crackers. So they came out after all the dignitaries got up and did their this. I don't, yeah. I think that was.
Is there anybody? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, something. So they they played, they got on the decks and they got out there. They're getting a bit, that's awesome, a little bit old. We all do. We all do, yeah. But it was a night of so there was a panel. Our friend, our sprinter Locky out of Brisbane. Locky Kennedy. Yep, Locky Kennedy up on stage. And Amir's, few of the mayors from around Queensland got up and had had their say around this, their new campaign.
So it's exciting. What got me thinking though, is because they always, you know, sticking camera, cameras and microphones and trying to get comments on, you know, what's believed and what's belonging and all, all of this. And it's, I just keep coming back to 6 1/2 years now is such a long time. What? How many kids out there right now would have no ideas, no idea they're going to be in the Brisbane Olympics in 6 1/2 years? Will you tell me?
That they're out there, they're going to be involved in sport, but there will be young kids out there right now who have no idea, but in 6 1/2 years they could likely be in some of those younger sports ages. Be right in the thick of it. It's exciting, right? Yeah, I I mean the. The reason I say that is like, so Locky was up there the way he was talking, obviously as athletes right now. And you know, Matt Hauser would be in this same situation.
You're getting excited about like home games now. But 6 1/2 years is so long in sport, so long in sport to predict. Like you're thinking about it now, but it's still so far. So let's let me, let me bring a, a, let me bring it back to the everyday runner who's listening to this right now. On Wednesday's episode with Benita, we talked about the 30 week run up to the Gold Coast Marathon. And Benita's saying you've got
to get out of marathon mode. You actually can't you, you can't switch into marathon mode for another until April, right? Which gives you a 14 week lead in. So essentially you're saying you got to forget about it for the next 16 weeks. We take that to the Olympic mode. 6 1/2 years really. Those athletes probably aren't going to become you tell me if this is accurate. Really. Those athletes in that same vein probably can't seriously start turning their attention to
Brisbane until, what, 2028? Yeah, I don't mean they've got LA 20. 29 like for the first timers, for those athletes that won't make LA because maybe they're not in the old enough. Yeah, Old enough, yeah. Realistically, they won't be able to seriously turn their attention to Brisbane until 2029. It's so long away, but it all, it's all, yeah, the whole, the whole point.
I mean, telling the story, it's happening like, you know, this is it. Foundation campaigns like there's I know for a fact there are some sports that are petitioning hard, like the well, the sports that want in. There was mention of I is is a little bit of a hot take. It's, I mean the information's not there, but I believe those sports sound like they're pretty much being sent off. Well, they have. They've already applied. No, no, not applied. I mean meaning that it's now in
the hands. Of Oh yes, so the petitioning. The petitioning right now is not going to be helping. Ohh, I see what you're saying. Yeah, So the ones you're saying this is me personally talking, I don't have any information, but. If you're a member of a games and organising committee, don't give up on petitioning cause Courtney thinks it's done but. Yeah, I think at this stage of petition, petitioning has been
done. And yeah, I'm not sure when those results, but it'd be really interesting to see which games they which games, which sports they do choose. It's gonna be fascinating. It's gonna be fascinating. What? Would be, hey, here's one good question for you. What do you which is which is a sport that you believe could be chosen that you think's most left field? So the most left field sport for LA to me was flag football. Actually they got a rowing someone was telling me the other day.
Well, the one that's strange for the one that's strange for LA is cricket. Yeah, it's, it's strange because it's an American game. Just bring that in. Look, the the it's, I don't know how left field this is, but the one that I think should I, I, it's so Australian specific, but I, I, I'm in, I'm serious ocean racing. And I believe they can't go in under Iron Man because that's a, that's a copyrighted brand that the triathlon owns.
So whatever title they go in under, Ocean, Man, Ocean, whatever it is, that's the one, That's the one I love to. Reckon I Well look LALA is baseball, softball, cricket, flag football, lacrosse and squash. Swash has been a Commonwealth is a Commonwealth game sports universally played, particularly it's big with the Asian countries as well. So and that's a part of it. Whether we agree with that or not.
Someone was telling me and I think I can't remember if I said this, but I got told that the most watched sport at the Olympic Games. What do you think the most watched sport at the Olympic Games is? This is a good one. What do you think the most watched sport at the Olympic Games is? Ping pong, correct? Table tennis because the Asian audience. So cricket as an example, the Indian audience, it's one country, but it makes up how many billions of people? Makes up all their TV.
Right. So, but for me, and is it, I'll declare my bias. I live here on the Gold Coast. I work in radio on the Gold Coast. I work in sports commentary here on the Gold Coast. I want Surf Life Saving to get in because it'll be held here on the Gold Coast. I love the sporting community around Surf Life Saving and the the the series. I love all of it and I want to see it at the Olympics because I think it would be epic. Just having a look if they've got front runner sports for the. Netball.
Netball. I think the the I talked this about would be someone about this the other day. Netball's tricky because my understanding is for a sport to be granted inclusion, it needs to be eligible to both genders. Now, what's interesting is that they don't play women's baseball at the Olympics, but they play softball because they don't play men's softball at the Olympics, do they? It's baseball. Like, it's almost like they've gone. He's a Oh yeah.
Oh, you're asking? Questions I could be, I could be wrong. Questions. I don't know. But netball, and this is it might be a controversial take, right? I think netball should be in the Olympics. Believe it if they're considered a front runner. But I don't think there should be a men's competition. Yeah, agreed. I'm with you there.
So 100. Percent, but I don't think, but it's kind of like if it means that the women get a chance to compete on the Olympic level, I'm OK with the men getting to do it. But I don't think, you know, if I had a choice, I'd rather netball just went in as a women's only sport. Yeah, is is how I feel about netball. The three, and this is just purely AI, quickly having a look, the three sports they're saying are seeking inclusion that they mentioned is life
saving. Like you said, touch football. But touches massive. But isn't that No, no, sorry, but isn't that flag? No, because TAT flags gridiron and touches rugby. Style. So I don't think I would like an Olympics where both those sports existed. Well, flag won't be in the following Flag won't be at Brisbane. Oh, it won't stay. No. Oh, OK. In that case, yeah. Bring on. I love touch.
I think touch is awesome. Well, actually I'll tell you about other likely sports is flag, but flag is pretty American dominated. That's we're just I don't think. If they want to have it as an exhibition sport, fine, but it can't stay. Yeah, but yeah, touch. And was there another one? Karate. OH, because I got. Taekwondo. What's the difference between Taekwondo and karate? Again, this is not me saying that they're the same thing.
I'm not but. I don't like you're asking questions that I I I've got a Taekwondo outfit that's about the. One so because Taekwondo is what what was her name? The the the female. It's going to annoy me now. I've met him, Heather, But Burns, Lauren Burns, Lauren Burns. She competed for Australia in Taekwondo. That's where they have the the targets on their chest. Yep. What's karate? So Taekwondo de both of them de emphasise grappling. So. Taekwondo Taekwondo de
emphasises punching. Taekwondo is strictly kicking. Yep, Karate often de emphasises continuous combat. OK, see, I don't, I don't want more of the same, I think is my point. I don't want more of the similar area. It needs to be a big enough differentiation, which is why flag football stays in by the time Brisbane turns up. I don't want touch. Yeah, because it's more of the same. I would rather touch over flag football. I don't know how we got there, but my, I was off the back of my
running. So then, so I was at the Spit. That's where we were. We were at the Spit, Yeah, yeah. And then so last night I was up in Brizzy yesterday sitting down all day, came back through and thought I'll just skip in and ring quickly and have a run. That's the run of yours I saw in Travel. So I jumped in. By the way, few new trail shoes I got it the Black Friday sales. Yeah, what'd you grab? I'm not going to tell. You yet? OK, there is. I've seen a trail shoe I want to try.
So here's here's what's to look forward to. I got a trail shoe that had nothing to do with trail shoes itself. I tried on a shoe out of a box that I believe could be my favourite shoe ever. Wow. In a. In a. In a first put on a shoe. I was in first feel first impression. First impression, first feel of a shoe This is up there with for at least in my recent memory. This shoe was out of the box.
I went this I wanted to go back to Nerang and run in it because it was obviously it just got delivered yesterday. I come home, I did run in another new pair of shoes in the in the ring at the same time. OK, so we've got some trail. Shoes. We've got some comparisons come in and I've got, yeah, some trail comparisons. On that run I went out, threw a pair of head, one headphone in and then one headphone, one headphone. Got around this track. I go normally got back.
I was just like you just said. I was just out enjoying running again. Loving it. Off average four 50s through the trails. Because you're taking it nice and. Easy. I make a bit. Yeah, I've got. I need to settle back down. Calm the farm. So that's my conclusion of my run week is so the body's feeling good. I need to settle. You need to come back down. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yes too. OK. Have you seen the new Nike ACG Zagama? Yeah, I did. I sent that to my brother and
went. I didn't need this. Yeah, they look ridiculous. Do you know I so I've got to check with him. He's got the I want to show cause a few people have asked me about the Zaga when I was telling the story about how the Zagama 2, the improvement in the like, No, I could listen. So this is the next. This is the so we're talking Solomon shoes. This is the AG. What is it? ACG? It's the S lab version of the Zagama 2. It like it's got the cut.
Yeah, it's got the cut out of the shoe that looks like it's got a bit more of a midsole plate in it. Possibly they're running the Vibrant Soul, but it's their
elite version of the Zagama too. I'm trying to find one of the original Zagama so I can take some shots to show me, because I'm getting asked about this idea of excuse me asking about this idea of the original Zagama had such a the fall on the side of the zero that first cigarma was like going to break your ankles and how they made such a small improvement to it. But it's changed the whole shoe. Yeah, in a positive off. Yeah, I do want to try that. They they look great.
I saw them the other day and I'm like, oh, they look, they look interesting. How's that mate we've been going? Hey, there's a lot going on. I know we harped on it about it and seriously do everybody that sent through their wrapped and have in the beginning as a part of it for 2025, whether it was #1 or you listened once. Thank you. That is the motivation we need and and and rely on to keep going. We've got some as Courtney said, we've got some really exciting
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