In the beginning episode 41, we're coming, we're getting close to a year we are it'll be 5050. I mean, getting there, we're getting there, but 52 episodes and we're. And we haven't missed one. I know. It's been pretty good so far. Dedication. Hey, can we start off with the marathon thing? I know we, we in the beginning runs the Gold Coast Marathon, the series, but I want to bring this outside the marathon for a moment that that series.
I got a text message from a friend of mine, Matt, who's coming up from Adelaide to run the marathon, and he said, you guys doing an episode on pacing strategies? Yes. Now I feel like we've kind of covered it off, not in a direct fashion, like because by this stage of a training block, I feel like most people have figured out their pace. But I wrote back to him and I just want you to feel free to amend. Yes, Yeah, yeah, yeah. But this is what I wrote back.
I said don't start too fast, stay steady till 32 kilometres, empty the tank at 41. That was my pacing strategy. That's your. Strategy, you know, it's funny, like I, I reckon for pay if you're in groups who are running marathon and running the marathon at the moment, that is probably one of the biggest topics you talk about day to day. What do you mean so? So have you been prepping for this?
Have you been? Properly prepping for a, not just Gold Coast marathon, any marathon, one of the discussions you have everyday is what, what can I run and what pace am I going to set out and can I run that? So a good example is my brother and his mates and they're all, you know, got their, you know, goals. They want to beat each other and race. But in the end, the time that you go is going to be who ends up winning. So can I run under 2 like sub
240? You've actually got to think about it. Even if you even split that, you have to run out at a pace that's a set pace. And if that's too quick, then you're going to blow up and the whole kind of race against your mates goes out the door, you're going to lose. So do you, you know, go out at like a pace that you maybe thinks a little bit too quick, but at the risk of then really blowing up?
Or do you go conservative? But then you've actually, if you go conservative, you've got no short of getting that goal time you really want. So if you put it in the context of where you were going with the three hour mark, if you split that three hour in half, what do you need to go through halfway in? But your tentative as to can I actually do that without? If it goes wrong, I'm gonna really shit's gonna hit the fan. So 'cause every day they're discussing this every day. What can he run?
What can she run? What do you reckon pays? I'm on and it's tough. So the, and so you reckon, well, you know, they, they, they're still talking about this, this close to the Gold Coast Marathon. Oh. It, it, it's going to be a continual, it's, it's a mind, literally a mind fuck right where they're literally going. I want to run this pace. I think I'm about here, but there's a risk in going that little bit harder that isn't going to pay off.
Will I take so that we're talking about a risk versus reward strategy here? Well, I can see that play out. All right, Matt, listen up to this episode. We're talking risk V reward. Here, Risk V What? Are you prepared to risk for the reward you're chasing? I actually spoke to him about this when because he was showing me his his sort of 30K runs that he'd been putting. He's like, I'm feeling great at the end of this and I've sort of said great, it's good you're feeling great at the end of
that. It shows that when you get to the marathon day at that pace, you can you've got something to give when you hit that stage of the race and he was tossing up. Oh, but if exactly what you're talking about the risk for your reward thing in my mind, and I know I'm not running this marathon, but marathon's moving forward in past races as well, I haven't had that. I've never had that ongoing long, I guess debate in my own head or out loud discussion
about timings. Because I think, for example, the most recent race that I've done where I had a time in mind was the half marathon in Adelaide last year in September. And I said I want to run a sub 90 minute half marathon. I simply plugged a pace plan into my Garmin watch, told it I wanted to negative split, not in a not a big negative split, a gradual negative split. It gave me the times and I ran to that like it was not, it wasn't a risk free reward thing.
I'm like, I want to run. I set it at 1:29 to buy myself a minute of gap. Yep. And then I ran to the pace. There wasn't a constant eye. If I run a bit harder, can I go a bit fast? It was just no. Here's the time objective. Let's input what's needed to achieve that. Yeah, no, I, I, I get that, but I do believe, and that's one way. But how do you know that time or that strategy is the right strategy?
So if you're out there doing long, you know, long sessions each week and you're starting to get to know your body really well. And there's a point, right, that you're running some type of threshold run or in within a longer run. And you're around that raised pace. And, you know, in your breathing, you know, in your heart rate, you know, when you've crossed that line and you're like, I can't go any
faster, you're redlining. Well, not even redlining, but going redlining in the sense of marathoning pace where you're like, I can't hold this for this. I can't continually hold this. Yeah. At that point, you have a pace and then in your head, you know, realistically, if I go above that pace and nothing's going to change in the race, I'm going to be in trouble. But I want more. And do I, do I take the risk that, you know, new shoes, race conditions, tapered, fresh?
Do I have that pace a few seconds a kilometre so I can get under that goal time? Do I do I risk that or do I take the safe bet and run the pace I know I can do in training and see if I can bring it home? I know I'm going to test your memory because I know it's not great, but do you recall at any stage during your professional career and having one of those moments, having one of those pushing beyond knowing knowingly in a race going, this is I'm I've passed that point now.
All the time. A lot, but not from a, Probably not from a like a, a time strategy, A lot of pacing strategy. I would do that on a like a competitive strategy. So like I'd be trying to hang on to someone a pack. Like I might want to be hanging on to a pack to not lose contact. Even though you knew, you were, you were. Even though I knew on that day this is above me and you know, the outcome will be better if I just back off now and and manage
my pace. But I always had this notion of like I'm in it for I'm in it to win it. I wanna, you know, like I'll put all the risk on the line to try and get that reward of staying there. You know might change and never did by. The way and. Never did. So there's the lesson, the, the, the, the risk versus reward. It doesn't pay off. It really rarely pays off. But I know those who are listening to us.
I know there's a lot of people. I was running yesterday with a group having the same discussion. You know, oh can I, can I go that? Can I do this? Can I do that? What I can also guarantee is the people listening to this who are not at your level are closer to my level, maybe slower or whatever. Some of them, because we've got the monkey brain, still think, Oh yeah, but I'm different. No, no, no, I can push it. I'll be at it. It might have. Courtney mightn't have got the
reward for the risk, but I will. Yeah, well, there's, there's optimism, yeah, Yeah, there's optimism. And you know what? You, you've, you've got to be in like, you know, they say you've got to be in it to win it, but. Which is because, and again, to reference the the marathon series that we've been doing, Bronte doesn't have that. Bronte is very much being the Bonita, tell me what to run. I'm not going to extend myself here. I don't want to over risk for the reward sort of thing.
Well, she's come round to that. But remember in the early days she'd run out and she'd go way too fast. That's true. She would, she'd put it. Hey, there's also, I've seen, I've had plenty of conversations with people doing both triathlons and marathons who have a plan in their head and they're gonna stick to it.
They know their pace and that goes out the door very quickly, especially when mates are involved and you're racing someone and they go down the road and they've gone out on a pace quick, quicker than they said they would. Hey, you know Liam, me, me and you were racing and I've said I'm on a three hour strategy, I need to run this and then suddenly you're with me, I'm on it too, we're going to do this
together. And then suddenly I run out, get a bit excited and I'm on a like a 250 strategy. What do you do then? This bear with me here for a second. I've got a half baked idea brewing in my mind because what you just talked about the idea of racing mates. Is it possible or could is there a way that as a race director, when you when when you put your entry in for news or marathons or anything like that, they always ask for why you're racing dah, dah dah and they ask about
they're looking for information. They're obviously trying to fuel their database and all the rest of it, but is there I wonder if there's some way, whether it be on your race bib or whether it be. I'm just trying to the idea that if if I'm running along and somehow, some way the spectators can see that I'm racing. So my mate. So literally on your bib you have like Matt verse? Yeah, or Matt Verse. Yeah, it's.
It's like a declaration of your, you know, this is for the people that are not going to win the race, but they've got a race within the race which is them versus their mate. There's a lot of races within this race, yes. There, that's the thing. More so than trying to win only you only get one. There's only a. Winner. Yes, but you get a lot of
winners versus their mate. There's only ever 1 winner of a race but in these big participation races there's so many other way City to Surf will have so many winners of mates racing mates. Have you had any? Have you had a mate verse mates verse mates race and and what's the best prize or outcome of that? Have you got one? Can I tell you this?
I I love that we're here and I love that I can guarantee that people running along listening are already going back to the bet or the the bet the bet or the race they've made against him bet. So here quick story. My brother in law is my is my race mate. My brother in law, Shane, my wife's brother is the guy that we I race with. OK. And we have a it's a back and forth thing.
Shane's not at at his fittest right now, but he's a couple years younger than me. So we he's got the all time best Noosa triathlon time out of the two of us. I've got the best marathon time, I've also got the best city to surf time. We, we had this incredible 12 month race mates race bet where it was basically, I don't even think we had any money or prizing on it. It was pride, right? And the agreement was that year it was City to surf, it was Noosa Triathlon and it was best
park run time. So you had the 12 months we were both entered in city to Surf and Noosa. Now he beat me in Noosa. He's a really good cyclist and he's a much better swimmer than I am too. So he beat me at Noosa, I beat him at City to surf comfortably. So then it came down to the park run. Now we had you had 12 months to register your park runtime. I was coming up here for this is when we still lived in Sydney.
I was coming up here for Christmas and we drove up and we came through Tamworth and Tamworth had a park run. Now I hadn't to that date really registered the park runtime. So I think, I think I in fact, yeah, I had not registered the park run time. I think Shane had registered something like a 21 minute. I went out at Tamworth Park Run and ran a sub 20 park run. I didn't have my barcode with me. So I get up here like basically it's Christmas, I've got six days left to register a time.
And I said to Shane, Oh yeah, I did a sub 20 at park run in Tamworth. He's like accepted. He's like, well, it doesn't count. You haven't registered your time. So on New Year's Eve, oh sorry, New Year's Day, there's a Kira Park run. There's a big one down at. Kira in the country. There's a big one down at Kira and I said to Shane, I'm like, well, look, Will, will you agree that if I run a better time on New Year's Day, this counts. He's like, Yep, we can both go out and run it.
And it's basically became it set itself up to become a match race on New Year's Day. Shane and I down at Kira. I ran A19101915 for me great running Shane DNF D how do? You DNF for 5K, what happened? Yeah, because he because he knew it was, it was risky reward, it was all guts or glory. It was DNF, it was DNS, it was death or glory. He's like, I have to, I have to stay with him. And so he came out and sat with me and three KS and he's like, I'm done. Yeah.
So yeah. So to your point, Pride mates race. I wanna know what are some of the best, if anyone's out there, what are the best bets or the wins you've had punishment against mates. Yeah, like, well, I wouldn't go as far as tattoos, but like, who knows, maybe. I'm sure there's some pretty decent. If, if you've, if you've had race bets with mates, race mates race bets, MRBS, if you had an MRB that's worth us sharing. Send it in audio message, slide it into the DMS, tell us all about it.
I'd love to share some MRBS with people with the In the Beginning podcast family. That's a good one. Yep. Now I don't know, remember what were we talking about that led us to that? God knows I see running's hit mainstream. That's what I'm looking at. Proof that running has hit mainstream. You know what it? Is for the fifth time we've said this movie. No, no, no. But this is another level of main server level. Yep, Marathons are now being
targeted by scammers. OK, so this has just come out and this is about the Gold Coast Marathon. Gold Coast. Because the Gold Coast Marathon, the resale, the resale market is now being, people are now being scammed into thinking they're purchasing A resold marathon ticket. So this has happened. This is the AB. Where have you found? This the AB CS published this story. There's a woman by the name of Jess Lapella or Jess Iapella.
She went to buy a resale ticket to the sold out Gold Coast half marathon she thought was she saw a bunch of things she asked about it on Facebook. She received numbers of offers offering her to sell her one. She found what she thought was a genuine 1 and she transferred half the money via pay ID, but no ticket. So she's kissed goodbye to 100 bucks like that because she was, you know, and this is what I this is the idea of mainstream, right?
These marathon races, these half marathons, these triathons, whatever, all these, these things selling out so quickly with such popularity, it creates this resale market. And it's something music festivals have already gone through and concerts and gigs where people want to chase it after it's sold out. And now I and now what? The Gold Coast Marathon has come out and said events management Queensland, they're doing the right thing.
They they've provided a platform, a portal saying transfer only do it through this. This is the only way you can really safely get an entry if you don't already have one or if you're not on the wait list. But it's just interesting to note that the scamming world has now turned their attention to the running world. I wonder, so when you transfer, do you set a price or it's just like a transfer fee because they can do they control?
It well, here's what I understand and, and don't take my word for this, but I believe when you go through the official transfer portal, it's done at ticket value, ticket value. So there's no, which I also really like because you shouldn't be able to profit in the sense of what I call price gouging. I don't. I would hate to see price gouging come into these races, people going up and snapping up all the entries and then trying
to resell them at profit. I don't think that's what it's that I wouldn't like to see that in the world. I. Had a few fair few mates send me some screenshots and missing out on the Mel Melbourne London Marathon. Yeah, the ballot. Just literally a screenshot. Sorry. You didn't make the ballot. You didn't make the ballot. Well, you didn't get in the ballot, so yeah. Tough luck. But then it's yeah.
So it's a case of. So I'm just thinking if someone's got in the ballot and they're like, oh, now knowing that, see my spot on the ballot, knowing that there's, you know, there was, however, did we say a million? Oh. Yeah, the London Marathon. London Marathon, yeah, like that many people wanting to do it, you know, hopefully they don't allow for like upsells. Would you? Hopefully, what would you think of the London Marathon if they suddenly ran it twice a year?
Diminishes it, does it? Yes, yeah, yeah, No, it just popped into my head, the idea that if something's got, if the demand is to a point for the London Marathon and these other majors where it is that big, if it was on twice a year, would it be as good? But then you don't get the it's not that I mean that that's what ceremony, but isn't that what drives demand as well? Isn't that what is partially driving this whole scenario at the moment? Once things start selling out, there's more want.
You want what you can't have. Yeah. So once things start selling out, you've got to get in earlier the next year. But I really want to do it next year because I'm missing out on something. There's this, there's AI believe. Anyway, there's a cycle effect to this whole thing. We're getting into your marketing brand.
Once you once you create. Yeah, you could go and create, you know, more of them, but then does that actually for a while it might work, but then that does it actually decrease demand because once you've given everyone the opportunity to do it, yeah, you need repeat customers coming in. We talk, this is a little bit about what we talked with Pete about from Salomon about the idea of specialness and coolness and the shoes and the way that that brand has managed to retain
it's cool factor. Have I told you about the Gold Coast Suns pink jumper? So the Gold Coast the the the pink jumper that they introduced this year, the pink range was awesome. Gold Coast lost its mind for it. Two biggest retail days in the club's history was when they dropped the pink merch on their website. Now I had a conversation with some people at the club about this is such a cool look. Why don't you just make this
your clash jumper? Because for those that don't follow AFL, most teams have a clash or all teams except Collingwood have a clash because they're so important. Now all teams have a all teams have a clash jumper. So to avoid colour clashes when they play away against certain things. Really interesting comment. The idea of, yeah, we could do that, but does it stop being cool if suddenly if we're playing in this clash jumper every other week or with this pink jumper every other week, is
it still special? The other thing with these sell outs like this, how many do they sell? And not just, I'm not going to pick on Gold Coast Suns here, but just in general you see these like a line of merch and it's sold out. Yeah, it creates great demand. But did you sell ten of them or did you sell 100,000 of them? It's like the with the line out the front right when there's nobody inside. The sell out it's it's all depending on how many you. Sold, right How many did you get
made? Because if I've made ten of these and I sell them sold out, I'm. Sure, they made a few more than 10 anyway. I think to circle back to where they started, if you're looking to gain entry into race and you don't, you weren't able to manage to buy a ticket through the original sale. Find the official portal. Yeah, don't risk it, because the scammers have turned their eyes on the world of running, which means it's ruined, which means it's ruined. Now I've got a question for you, Liam.
Is your ring finger. I'm not doing the finger to you. Is your ring finger longer than your index finger? Your index is your pointer, right? That's your index. Finger, I'm going to say my indexes. Well, yeah, what are? We your point finger. That's your pointing finger, yes. And your ring finger? The Four. Is the the one? Yeah, the next the pinky? Yes, it is substantially too. What do you got? This is sorry we just stopped talking for a second as. If you're watching on Spotify.
Video. You'll understand what we're doing. The ultimate podcasting scene, which was to stop talking. Yeah, my, my ring fingers are oh, jeez, I've got some real ring fingers. I've got some real inflexibility. Your ring finger is taller than your. Yeah, holy, by a lot opposite. Now, this is it 'cause I know where you're going with this, all right? And this is fascinating. So this is in. So what we've got here is my index is taller than my ring
finger and Liam's the opposite. The other way around, so. It's indicative of a person's ability to run marathons, cycle long distances, and generally perform in insurance sports. Now here's for the test. I'm going to go to the next slide because I actually haven't looked at which way it goes.
Well, so, OK, so here, before you read that, you would think based on the test, if this is meant to indicate your capability to run marathons and ride long distances, based on your fingers and my fingers and based on your athletic prowess and my athletic prowess, yes, it should measure out that if your index finger is longer than your ring finger, that's a good sign for marathon running and bike riding.
OK, so you're they found, so this is a study done down in Uni SA by PhD candidate Bethany Gower. She's been on the National ABC Radio and it found that you are more likely to tolerate longer duration activities if your ring finger is longer than your index finger. And we we just debunk that we are the complete, we are the exception to the rule. So this is going nowhere because that is not what I mean. You can run a marathon too. I. Can not as well as you.
In this In this class of 2. I so I think you're the exception then, or you're the exception because Yep, my ring is longer than my index. My ring finger is longer than my index finger. Definitely both of them same. Yeah, substantially. Yeah, it's my so my index finger is definitely longer than. I'm sorry. My ring finger is longer than my index finger and I can run and I can write. Someone asked what what? What does it mean if the ring finger on one hand short about
the other ones and vice versa? It's different. Means you've you've really stuff probably chopped off a It's all about. Circulatory and respiratory systems ability to supply oxygen to the working muscles during sustained physical exercise. I'm calling bullshit. Yeah, I I think that PHG. I actually thought that was going 100% the other way then because I hadn't. I hadn't bothered. A few people sent that in and thought we'd be interested in that.
Speaking of things you might dispute, I had a really interesting massage experience the other day. Not going what you think, get your mind out of the gutter. So I I've obviously with the calf injury with what I went through, Gold Coast physio, awesome. Britt, Liam, the whole team there, Trent have been great. Now that I know I'm not running the marathon, I've kind of gone, I've just pulled back on the physio, right?
And at my level of running per KS per week, I probably don't really need to be hitting up the physio. Once I start to up the case again, I will be going to see Trent to get needles stuck in because that really works on my releasing my calves. So I will be back team. But I've also been back at the gym a little bit and just doing some bit of weights. I had a bit of that lethargy in the body, just an overall bit of soreness. I'm I'm going to put myself in a massage.
So I went to rigged recovery in Palm Beach. You ever been there? No, so rig's recovery is one of like, is it P the PB three or something? There's another it's one of these these places are booming the the health space in these hot and cold plunges. There's a few of them going on. There's lots going around. I went to Rig's now just because it was near my place and they had an available slot. Got now a massage and it turns out that the person doing the massage, she and I competed the
same year of Red Bull defines. Right. She was at Red Bull. Define Emma. Emma. Now Emma was awesome because I walked out of this massage. Not only was she, it was just really good. She just she hit all the trouble spots I've got like you can see the cupping. Marks. And yeah, I've had cupping done the work. So I've had, it was a bit of an overall tune up for the body. But this was the thing I wanted to bring up with you because she was asking about and she runs
trails and she runs 100K races. And so we are having a bit of chat about everything. But it was she, it was almost like a therapy as well as physio for me. And I really enjoyed it and it was great. And I'll definitely be going back. But the thing that I wanted to bring up with you because she asked about the calf problems and how it was going and I was explaining everything I'd gone through and, and what it caused it led into and all the rest of that.
And then she asked me, she's like, can I also give you my thoughts? And she said, I think that maybe the calf is representative of you not fully committing to something in life. Is there something in around your work life that might be So there she brought in this, I know, very deep and it was and it, it's seriously like I was thankfully I was lying down 'cause it sat me down. I was like, I was fine. Maybe is there something in my work life that I'm not fully committing to?
Are are my calf problems? If I didn't have enough problems in my calf and now like and now I need to go and see a psychologist as well my. Calves, I said, Emma, I've got that many professionals committed to these damn calves. Now I need to. But it was really because I hadn't thought that there might be something mental. Well, I'm a big believer that stress contributes to issues in
the body. Like when you go through a stressful period, whether that's something at work or whether that's something with the family or whatever it is, it can be a moldable. A lot of things. You feel it in the body physically worse than actually going out and doing something physical to affect your body. I think the stress of what that puts on your body and how it affects it is worse than the actual physical nature. I. Guess that makes sense.
I, I like, I can feel it sometimes, whether it's your heart rates up, whether it's just lethargic, whether it's motivation, all of those things are quite I, I don't know how it all works around like a psychology point of view, but I just know that's what happens in practise, That is what happens. I'm actually, that was the other thing and I'm basically taking you into my massage team. But she said as she was working that shoulder, she also said it feels like you need to exhale.
And so I breathe that she goes, no, no, no. It feels like generally you need to exhale a bit. And I was like, oh. Do they offer breath courses at their? I think she, I think she sounds like she could. She was amazing. She was fantastic. Coincidence that she'd done Red Bull defines. Like, did you just totally walk in there? I booked it online. I booked it online at Riggs 'cause I knew they offered massage there. Completely random. We started talking about during the whole thing.
She was, I was, she said I'm a runner as well and we're talking about races and all the rest of that. And I said, I I had the conversation with her that you and I had on the last step about that moment you would go back to, to experience all over again. I said at Red Bull Defiance, she said, I did Red Bull defiance. She said what year? She said, oh, the year was really stormy. I'm like, we couldn't battle out to the arm. We're like same year. Wow. It was an amazing coincidence.
She was amazing. But the massage was great. And I do the, the my hips. I'm so it's all so tight through everywhere. Have you ever had your SOAS released? Oh yeah, I've never had that before. That's one of my more. It's painful, but one of the more enjoyable things. Jeez, I. Didn't know where your SO as was and I do now. That hurts. So talk about solaces. I went into Sea Trent last week. I did you I my excuse of not getting a rub for the last however long. It's just I just.
You don't like them? No. Well, it's not only not not like them, like I had good intentions of going in and getting some work done. MMM. However, it's just about every time I went to make an appointment, it was like the days didn't line up, the time didn't line up. And then the next week came. Anyway, Doctor Ben rang me. I drove out of the street and he's flashing me with his lights and I said what are you up to? And he's like, I'm going in to see the physio. Actually go and see Britt.
Yep, who we had on in the Gold Coast Marathon series around the physio and then get him rubbed after he and the next message I get is I've got your appointment at 12:30. Oh, he's so I've got a. New personal assistant. He locked me in. So I turned up and I saw, met, met Trent #1. Great filler. But that's where I come on, Solace is he got in and it was like, it was, I'm tired and it was great to get in there.
But it just, it put me back. Like when you talk about memories, it put me straight back on the massage table over in France where I'd spend a lot of my time racing with our Australian masseurs. And just the memory of different, different hands just literally locked in as far as I can into that area of my lower pit of my stomach across there. And it's painful, but it used to be one of the most effective things I'd get done. What?
So what did it do for you in terms of loosening things up and unlocking? Stuff, Well, that would be the release for my hips. But because I was because I would ride obviously in triathlon, we were you're riding your bike. So you're literally closing your hip angle. Yes. And then so you and you as you're loading up with that closed hip angle, you if you're not strong enough through the solace, you're tightening up through that area.
And then the next thing you gotta do is then stretch out and effectively have length in the solace and strength to be able to then have, you know, like to be able to kick through when you're running. Yes. So that was the challenge of triathlon. OK, We are used to get awfully tight solaces.
If anybody out there is listening to this and you don't know what your solace is, basically grab a hold of just above your hip, around your stomach if you're like me, where your love handles are, and then go in about a couple of inches and then just go internal, Just just just. Fine, tight bands in there and you're you're probably gonna.
But and then I challenge you all, next time, if you do have a massage schedule, just say to them, hey, just show me where my size is. Show me what you'd have to do to get my size. It was. It was an I there. Was a little bit of a badge of honour. Like how how much could you handle when I was back when I was obviously right when full time, when that was like, you know, day to day massage, it was like how far can you get in there?
Could you mind if we jump into the bike world for a moment? Bike world for a moment? I don't have this on the run sheet in front of you, but I I'm going to adjust the names to protect people because I'm not I haven't exactly cleared this story for podcasting. OK, so where do you stand on buying bikes off Facebook Marketplace? I'm OK with it. What? What would you guard people against buying bikes on marketplace? Well, you don't know the history of the bike. That's number one.
I I'll be to be transparent. Yeah, I would have never have thought of buying a road bike or a mountain bike off of Marketplace. But I do look at dirt bikes. So like motorbikes. Sure, sure, sure. And that's where I'd look at Marketplace. So this is 'cause I am with with Gold Coast Marathon now being in my rearview mirror from a participation standpoint, I now my athletic schedule turns its attention to Noosa. Good. Did someone ask this question? What about bikes? Buying a bike?
No. So we had this question. What? Yes. I haven't had time to actually get into all. Oh really? Someone said I'm running. I think it was 1/2 marathon or running a marathon and then my next goal is to do a half Iron Man. Oh. Yes, I think I saw. Can you give us some advice on buying a bike I'm. Going to find this because someone did ask that question. As you as you're looking for it, I'll jump in around this
Facebook thing. I think with bikes, there's one thing with bikes is top end gear costs a lot of money, but it doesn't give you a lot of extra, you know, bang for your buck in the sense of performance. So if you're a Tour de Franche rider and you're riding up the hill and it's white, you know, strength to weight ratio and all of that going on, yes, maybe the top end stuff of having like the best of the best makes a
difference. Hey, if you can afford it, go for it. But with bikes, middle of the range equipment makes the most sense for bang for your buck. I've learnt this more so like more in the mountain bike world since I've purchased a couple of my own bikes in the more recent years. I will always go for mid range. No, I don't go for the top end anymore for that exact reason. Like it's just not worth the bang for buck.
And often the wear on that equipment in the middle of the range components, yeah, actually wears a lot better. Like you get more longevity out of it. BJ Platts Now this is BJ who said told us to stay out of ourselves. He came with remember he came with the alpha. He said. Gentlemen after the GC marathon is over I would like to look at 1/2 or 4 Iron Man. Question is what entry level bike would you recommend I for info BJ and I'll let Courtney
give an answer. On the bike front, I I've only ever had one road bike. I bought it in 2014 before my first Noosa triathlon. I bought it off someone that my wife worked with. It's too big for me and I've still had it for 10 years, but it's a Cannondale CAD 9 or something. I paid $1500 for it at the time and it was relatively new. This guy was moving overseas. He just wanted to get rid of it and it's been it's been great of
it's been done the job bro. And it's always and as much as I've always kind of looked at more expensive bikes. Spot Anderson, Sydney legend has always said a me on a $50 bike with a 50 pair of aero bars will be what was it? It was something like it's the legs, not the bike. You know, it's the idea is like these days.
Though I'm going to challenge that a little bit because the right bike these days with the Arrow and where they've come, where they've got to in technology, the right bike with the wrong legs still may beat. So for a. Really, really old school bike in the wrong position with brilliant legs. So for someone like BJ who's looking at going into it, Yep, first time, what, where, where
did he start? Well, he's talking about Half Iron Man. So I mean, if you want to race triathlons and you're only gonna have one bike, ideally, you probably you you will want to get some type of aero bike that you can time trial on if that's your goal to try and go as good as you can. But hey, if your goal is more so just to finish it and you want to be as comfortable as possible and you're going to be riding day to day, then maybe just a normal road bike still might suffice for you.
And then you you just put on clip ONS onto it, right. It's a, it's a, let's say, a cheaper way to go as well, like a more cost effective option, much cheaper, but you're not going to get the same performance out of that in triathlon that you would do if you got yourself in the right position on a time trial. Bike.
Now, as far as actually like with brands of brands, everyone's going to be individual on what you like, but I think when you look at different bikes out there and you're making decisions, it's like shoes. Go and actually feel a bike. Yeah, yeah, go and actually, you know, go and see what you got physically because there's, you know, bikes like Canyon now are completely like order online. They rock up at your house pretty much.
You can build them and go yeah, but you're not going to get the same service doing that or the same Peace of Mind that if you went into a shop and they show you it all they're doing like, you know, they do the one month tune up and everything like that. Now I'm talking about new bikes there. The question came around. Facebook bikes. Yes, this is a decision on savings and what you're willing to part with. That's my that's how I look at it.
So like there is AI reckon there's a threshold and it's risk reward. Again, it's risk and reward. Yep, there's a threshold that I'm saving this much by buying this bike on Facebook, but I don't know the history of it. Yep, don't know what's happened to it. And if I've got enough saving, it's probably worth the risk. OK. If you're not saving much. Go and go, go and get, go and get how feels good, Peace of
Mind worth. So just one tip I will have is then if someone is out there looking to upgrade a bike or buy a bike, now's not a bad time to look because it's the end of triathlon season. So end of year sales. End of year sales, but also this is triathlon seasons when the serious people or the people that might look to take the hobby from beginner to advanced, they upgrade their bike and they're looking to off road offload last season's bike.
Yeah, that first bike they had. The reason this came up is because a friend of mine who is he's actually signed up. I think he's just signed up for Western Sydney half Iron Man. He's better to do his first. He's done news for a bunch of years. He's done a few multi day ride things down in Tassie and stuff, but he's looking to upgrade. He's looking to upgrade his bike and he jumped on Facebook marketplace and he found a bike that on paper was not too good to be true, but certainly cheaper.
It was a good deal, right? He was making the savings and his his friend advised him, He said, we'll jump on Strava, see if he can find the seller on Strava. Oh, good, cool. And see how much it's been written. See how many KS this thing has done because obviously the people say, oh lightly used heavily, you know, so see, there's a there's an easy trick. See if you can find the seller on Strava and actually see how many kilometres they've put through this thing.
That's a great call. It's a good trick, right? And it also revealed something because my friend found that this bike, the person selling this bike happens to be related to a very, very, very, very, very wealthy Australian, right? Like we're talking rich list Australian, right? So he's found out that, oh, this is someone who's comes from a bit of cash. And the deduction he's made is that this person with all their cash has bought something top of
the line checking. Strava has shown they have written it. Yeah, not much, very little. And they've kind of gone. I don't need that anymore. So not only is it lightly used, but it's also heavily discounted because money is not that important to the seller. They don't need to be trying to regain every cent that they paid for. This teaches you to do your homework. Right, done their homework now done their homework. So he saw he's he's bought the bike, but once he's figured out the wealth.
Yep. He then just casually said, hey look, if you got any because I'll tell you, this guy, this person, this seller sold the bike at the rate which was cheap for the bike and didn't even disclose the fact that there was a power metre on it, didn't include that in the price. Just. Clearly just oblivious to the fact that that was because another. Thing it's that it was that top end range of a bike that just
came with a power metre. Yeah, so, but then my friend said to him, hey, look, if you've got any other cycling stuff that you're gonna get rid of, let me know. This person has written back. Oh, I've actually got a bunch of cycling clothes that you can just have Oh, so now and he's waiting to pick it up so. This guy's the the seller's, obviously. Gone or what? He's out, he's out, he's out. I want to for buying for buying bikes on Facebook marketplace Czech Strava.
Yeah, that's a good. I love that one. Czech Strava And if you can find someone who looks like they're giving up on the sport entirely, fleece them. I do the same thing with with one of because I've been looking at a motorbikes at the moment and some of them you see like with numbers on. So you think have they been raced or have they just being used out on a property and the same thing. I'll go look at the name and see if you can find them on Instagram and go what are they
doing on this bike? Yeah, I feel you find a few you don't, but it's a good gauge. Just like have you raced it? Nah, Yeah. Well mate, come on. Yeah. Really, 'cause there's your motive, you on the podium. Why? Why are you 50 foot in the air on that bike? Here have you been on the your bike I. Haven't been lately and I'm not going to for the moment. That's like away away a little bit in the next month.
I wanted to follow up on something this is a couple of weeks old very quickly Mick fanning charity golf day. Oh yeah, I never I haven't actually told the the in the beginning podcast. Tell me about this experience. You've played in it before having I've. Played in it a few years you've. Played in the first one, possibly because this was year 4. This year, I think, really, yeah, the floods were that long ago. Yeah, Wow. And I, I vaguely recall seeing you at one of these things.
I. Definitely played one maybe. Possibly 2. In fact, you did because you met Dill Buckley. Yep. Dill Buckley is actually coming up here to run the Gold Coast Half Marathon. Yeah, right. With Lululemon this year. Yeah, I've been trying to reach out to him and get him around the podcast, but. No, we don't Not talking about anyone anymore. We're getting on. Stop. I would. No, no, no. I wanted to say, though, next year, Mick Fanning, I know you're listening. We need you.
We need you back at the golf day. We need you back at the golf day. We need to get back on that golf day. So I do in on. You right, You're doing Red Bull Race the Sun. Oh yeah. You're a bit busy. I had my hands full. You're a bit busy, but I was lucky enough to get involved with it. That is one of the great. You talk about event organisation, you talk about putting experiences together. That is an. Experience, they go, the brands go all in, don't they?
And. That's the other living, which is you would know more about this than I would because what you do with Red Bull. But when the brands are allowed to essentially not work without any restrictions but really express who they are as a brand, I feel like you get more buying. Because Mick's general rule is if you either all the money goes to charity is that if you pay for the whole, whether you get to actually. What you want there you do.
What you want, Yeah. And that's how you end up with people getting tattoos and haircuts and BMX riders doing backflips and people getting fireball shot through into their mouths from super suckers. Yeah, it seems like it's escalated over the years, you know, and that's a great thing when you get, you get brands, you know, really buying into something like that where then they've got to evolve, right? Because it he still got what is there because he played two.
There's 36 holes, right? There's 36 holes. I think this year there was only four holes without activation so close to. Over 30 brands all trying to outdo each other and these are brands who obviously majority of them are involved either personal relationships or companies and like minded type people.
And I guess to take it back to, and I'll be interested, really interested to see the Gold Coast Marathon Expo this year because I think we're starting to see, we saw at the London Marathon all the clips and pictures and all the brands trying to outdo one another with campaigns, the viral campaigns. Do you know one of the best ones I saw about this type of thing was gym Shark the other day. So at high rocks, I'm not sure it was the high rocks world champs.
It was a high rocks in London, but they set up what they called a laundry. And the idea was when you finish high rocks, you get a, what do you call a like a patch? Like a patch you could sew onto a hat. They give you a patch to say you finished high rocks, right? But what do you do with a patch? So Gym Shark worked out well. We'll create the space that we will. You come to us and we'll sew the patch onto something. For you. I've just found it, yeah.
In some type of like in the way they've obviously activated. It was a laundry mat and there was other things in there, but the premise was go there. The reason to go there was to go and get this patch put on clothing. I'm assuming they're selling their own clothing if you want to put it on their clothing too, but I thought that was one of the better ones. I just brought it up, the Gym Shack laundrette or laundrette 'cause it was in London.
The gym shack laundrette popped up at Horrock London. Run the race, earn the badge, claim the hoodie. So you turned up with your patch and there is these people with sewing machines sewing it on to your hoodie. It's got a purpose, but it's also a great space to go with. So that's clever. That's really thinking outside the box, that one. The other one that was good, I think it was London Marathon, was they had the one of the drink brands, the hydration brand had the Bowsers.
Yes, you go and fill. Like literally you want energy, you go and fill it up by the petrol Vowser. It was it was, it wasn't precision, but someone like that. It was just a it was like a sports drink style small sport drink. Brand that was good too. So pure sport, pure pure sport did the the petrol pumps. Yeah, and that was another one that like, you know, it's hard to stand out these days.
It really is. There's so much going on, even Gold Coast of Have you started to see on the Gold Coast Marathon, the the run Club slash cafes on the Gold Coast and all the branding and everyone, you know, even that is competitive in itself because there's so many run clubs who want to do something with a, you know, activate with a running shoe brand and then they need a space to do it. So this is driving all this competition within each other.
And I mean might get 50 people there and I don't know how it really. Do you reckon I know we're drifting into Gold Coast Marathon territory? Again, apologies if you're one of the person, someone out there that oh, bad luck if you're not coming to the if. You're not coming to the gold. Coast bad luck? Do you think the exhibition centre is the right place for it still for the Expo? Oh jeez, I hadn't even thought
about that. What I mean is we live in a place that and the marathon on the Gold Coast, It's it's sunny, it's bright, it's outdoors, right? Is there a better space? Like, do they, should they be taking over hotter? Should they be?
You know, should they? The problem with hotter public transport, it's a paint the reason Broadbeach works so good not just for the Expo but just in general having the convention centre on the Gold Coast there yeah, you get the G link down you if you know a lot of people will be staying in Broadbeach. Yep high activity hub it's just easy and it's a big space it's made for it. I reckon it's. No, no, no, you're right. And This is why, hey, This is why it works. You're the event planner.
I'm just come up with these half brand ideas, but I want in fact, everybody out there that's running the Gold Coast Marathon year, that's listening to this. I know that they submit, they ask you to submit feedback after your race. You always get that email that says a chance to win an entry into next year's race. Give us your feedback. I if it's not there this year, and my guess is it won't be because I only came up with the idea 3 weeks ago.
I want everybody who's listening to this say that you want the halfway house. Say that you want the hometown house at the turn at Miami. Say next year you want to see a grandstand set up where people are going to be losing their minds as you turn that halfway mark of the Gold Coast Marathon. Let's make that happen. Let's make that a thing. Yeah, that's the idea. And he and he, I. Just want it would be so. Cool. A party hall type hey. Ryan, Ryan McDonald Agreed.
It would be cool, but there's some logistical, obviously organisational, logistical and operational things that need to be taken into consideration. Taught me from an event manager, hey, I'm gonna show you a video. And so anyone, I'll put it up on Spotify as well, but I want you to tell me what do you think that athlete, what sport do you think that athlete plays? So this is something you explain what you're seeing like.
So I'm looking at a, a very athletic young woman who is doing is using gym equipment like I haven't seen it before. She was using one of the what are the bands called? Oh, I don't know, the things that the tension bands, tension bands. And now she's sitting down on a well, no, she's. Doing a split squat a. Split squat in the air on a tension band and then she's. Doing it on a. Squat on a tension band. Now she's jumping from a stairmaster onto a box and
landing back. Now she's doing some glued. Exercises. What do you think she's doing? What? What sport is she coming? From well, there's a soccer ball, there's a soccer. Ball involved? Well, you just ruined it. I didn't see the soccer ball when I did it. Bloody hell. So my wife showed me this. There's. A soccer ball in it, Yeah. I didn't. She's a soccer. Player. She's a soccer player.
You ruin everything, Liam. There's a soccer ball in it, I. Looked at this not seeing the soccer ball and when my wife said what have a look at this is this make sense? And I went this is crazy what she's doing for social. Who is she social media? Is she a soccer player? Soccer player from from the Netherlands I believe. Those crazy Dutch people. From the Netherlands. I'm going to go through some of the comments in a minute.
But when I didn't see, I hadn't seen the soccer ball and I looked at her and I went, what is she and I? My first thought was maybe a hurdler. She's doing squats standing on a rubber band in the air. This is bloody. Dangerous. Do you know what my guess was going to be before I saw the soccer ball? Yeah. Well, I was going to say, is she like a a bobsled? A bobsled. Like a explosive athlete trying to push off. I also thought some type of gymnast because of like the, the, the activity.
So she's in the air going on these rubber bands. What's her name? And of curiosity? Oh gosh, Courtney about to try No. No, no, I've only got a. What's the Instagram handle? FEMKEM key, Yep. Prim Prince. M key Prince Football player. Yep. She plays for Fortuna Sitard. OK cool. Yeah, it's look, that's an interesting. Some of the comments just because you can doesn't mean you should. Badminton Other people are doing what I did. Starting to guess what athlete
is it a badminton athlete? I have a lot of questions. I just don't know which one to ask. Look, this one though, she can do this because she is athletic. She isn't athletic because she can do this. Look at that. Say that again. She can do this. Where did it go? She can do this because she is athletic. She isn't athletic because she can do this pretty much in. There's a lot of risk involved in what she's doing here. She's on a treadmill at one stage doing like circles,
kicking a soccer ball as well. Yeah, put it up. It was very impressive. Hey, Speaking of people doing weird things and wondering if they're necessary, there's a French Algerian artist called Reeles. I'm not quite sure how to say his name. Should've just went with what you'd thought. Reeles. Let's call him Reeles anyway, he is a, he's a singer. He's an, he's an artist, right? He has competed and I think this happened a few months ago but
I've only just stumbled. Across This isn't the thing with the Blaze. Yes, this was a while. Have we? Have you? Have we talked about this though? I don't think we have because it's just. It's just come up on my feet, people. Like do people send this in to you? I think this was even prior to us doing the podcast. I've got a feeling this is a while ago. OK, well, I'm seeing it. I'm just.
He went 24 hours on a treadmill. He ran 24 hours on a treadmill to launch his new album, Survival Without Stopping. He literally had what looks like massive big. Blades behind him. Yeah, this has only just popped into my world, so apologies for if everybody, if people are across this. I like it. I like this one. I feel like this one. I respect somebody who's like we talk about Teddy swims. Yep. And the run club that he started up. Yep. Oh, no, Jelly roll. Not Teddy swims.
Jelly roll Jelly Rolls Run club Jelly Roll. Yeah, these bikes run for 24 hours to launch an album. Not stopping on the treadmill, yeah. What's the longest you've run on a treadmill? Without stopping. Not 24 hours, that's. Treadmill. That's horrible. That's my idea of hell. Yeah, I mean, I think that's the purpose of it, right? Yeah. Is to put. Yeah, to make, to get people to watch you going through hell. But he didn't actually look that bad when he popped off. But he.
I did see back, it was a while ago something around this, his Strava leading up to that and then for five years he built up his mileage over like, you know, 100 KA, 150 up to 200 plus. So OK, it wasn't. Like he was ready to go. He. Popped up one year and said hey, I'm going to do this, Yeah. Speaking of mileage, how's running going? We haven't talked about our. Own running. We don't talk about our own. What's going on? Quickly. Yeah, good. I ran over 50K last week which?
It's such a silent assassin, aren't you? Just slowly you've you've come back from remember when you're walking around with crutches. Yeah, it wasn't that long ago. Yeah, no, back, back, back running. Still taking a day off here and there to manage things. But yeah, back running. I ran, I ran my first. I did 14 KR up at the Spit Tuesday so. Where's your Where's your head about running then?
My head at the moment still just keeping just getting slowly building it up without causing any other problems like even not even concentrating on the hip, the bone, but just like as you're coming back and you're starting up the mileage, not getting any, you know, calf, any other niggles. So just managing it around that. I've been, I'm doing strength stuff to support all that, kind of get another massage. Have you had any phantom pain around it?
Yeah, yeah, I've had a bit of, I mean, your mind always, the mind's always playing tricks on you. And because I was staying off that leg, like, I mean, literally putting no weight through that leg for a reasonably significant part of time, I I assume this muscle deterioration there. So from left to right leg, I'm gonna have to build up some more strength back on that right leg. I prefer to do it through running. Yeah. Like I prefer to load up where
the activity is specific. But then I'm also aware that I, I need to add in some extra stuff to manage that outside it. But yeah, 50K did some fart like yesterday morning yeah, with some of the crew. I'll tell you what breathing heavy. Oh yeah, I'm breathing heavy. But I'm I'm enjoying being background and I mean, that's the main thing. And we give me give me. It will take a little bit of time just to see where how quickly I come back. No rushing, but what about
yourself? I. I was, I was down in Sydney last weekend. Oh yeah, I went down there for the Suns Giants game. Oh, I still can't believe they I watched the game you called so GWS versus Suns it. Was game of the year by the way, best game of football for the year? I sat there and watched it to the third quarter and then turned the TV off to go and do something else because I'm like, it's over. Nope. And it was one of. Those GWS trailed basically up until 10th minute of the final term.
I was going the game with Dew Bolton down in Sydney. Former Swans champion, 300 games, premierships. He's done it all. He's a legend. And he said to me at three quarter time he's like I reckon we got a grandstand finish coming. He called it, He said there is a grandstand finish on the way. The Giants are just bubbling and then they came out and I think they kicked like six goals to three in the last term to win the game. It was such an amazing game.
Football devastation. It's a great one to call devastation if you're a Falco Sun supporter and dimmer. Hardwick was pretty. I think he's frustrated because that's they're those games where the sons have got to take a step. If they're serious and they want to be a contender, they've got to be able to win those games and take the moments the the side's talented enough, they've matured enough to win the games they should win. But now it's about executing in those moments, is what the
dimmer's talking. About I saw him flipping the bird eh at the. Well, and he's got the Fox Footy have cost him $2000 because. That's not going to take 2. It was in the literally really was like the last play of the game basically to where they didn't pay this deliberate out of bounds and dim has given the big like. In not just dimmer in this case, but like just in general sport like it's too grand a deterrent to someone who's probably being paid. No, no, yeah, it's, it's, it's,
it's a symbol. It's symbolic. I actually think, I actually think to tangent for a moment, I think the AFL has a something of a problem with staging for free gigs and an exaggeration of free kicks to try and trick the umpires. Now I think the umpires AFL is one of the hardest games to officiate because the rules have so many grey areas in that it is a thankless job and I think the umpires should never be the ones who will criticise, it should be the rule makers who got criticism.
Having said that, I think the AFL should come out after each round of football, review the tape and retroactively fine players for staging, whether they're awarded the free kick at the time or not, whether they convinced or tricked the umpire or not. The AFL should then go through with a fine tooth comb and fine players who stage. Because try and stamp it out if you keep.
Turning up every Monday morning at every football club with a list of players and the amount of money they gotta pay back, they'll stop it real quick. Well. There's my question though, what's a fair fine? Because what? What would deter a player? Put it this way, 500 bucks might not seem like much at the time.
1 or 500 bucks. If someone keeps on turning up to your workplace of work every Monday saying you owe me $500, you owe me $500, you owe me 5. $100, I might be talking out of school, but I'm tipping $500 to majority. Like not all of them, but a lot of the players there's going to be like. Yeah, you'd think that, but if someone turns up to your workplace every Monday asking you for $500, the little thing that you might be doing on the weekend, you might just stop doing that or $1000.
I don't know what the number is that's by the. Point. That's by the point. How did we get here? What we talking about Sydney running? That's right. So. Before we move on, yes, I mean, I mean people do like it when we not everyone follows AFL, but like at the moment with State of Origin. So rugby league, different issues around riffing. So it's not the staging stuff like nothing. I'd I'd say nearly nothing staged in rugby league. It's just tough. But they're having is there more
across both codes? Is there more talk a refereeing and talk around the refs impact in say the last 18 months than there has been in the past or is that just I think as it always been I. Think inevitably we always fall into conversations about the the referees around buys whatever sport it is, it's heightened at the moment in rugby league at time of recording because of the Ashley Klein performance in Game 2. But there's people always find
ways to blame referees and this is one of the things about sport. We are irrational when it comes to sport. When the football in particular, I always some of my mates because I love footy, but I'm pretty centrist because of because I call football and I have to be unbiased and centrist when I'm calling games and I'll be on my WhatsApp chats with a whole bunch of Adelaide Pro supporters who are completely irrational about their team. They are. They put absolute blinkers on
and ignore the obvious. And when I respond with my centrist attitude to it, I annoy them because they want to live in sports passion. They want to live in the irrational. They. Want to believe it was they they want? To believe that there's a conspiracy against the Adelaide, they want to believe that. Stuff, actually, the crows are going bloody. They're going amazing. That doesn't mean there's not a conspiracy against them from all the way at the top. Corner.
Oh Joe, I was in the ladder, Yes, yesterday before I messaged someone and I went, oh, I didn't realise how well the crows are. One of the great things about sport is that either we can suspend the real world but for the for the fan, not the participant, but for the fan. By watching sport, we get to temporarily suspend our real world and live in this fantasy world where we can make up whatever we want is about how things are going on behind the scene. How do we get here? Sydney running?
That's right. I went down to Sydney for this game and I went down a day early because I wanted to catch up with Ed who I ran. I stayed with Ed who I did Red Bull Defiance with. Now I had my running gear and I had the best of intentions of going for 20K15 to 20K. You're moving. Ed and I went out for what I thought was the intent was just a couple of quiet drinks and dinner catch up chat. It did not finish that way. It ended up being quite a heavy night.
I saw you doing the what's the what's the Guinness? The Guinness thing trying to split the G split. The G, Yeah. Fair to say we tried that a few times and we did not get it right We're. Not successful. Once we were trying, we were. Committed to getting it right and we kept getting it wrong. So I haven't run for coming up on a week now time of record.
But I'm actually gonna go and do a run today because the Gold Coast, the experienced Gold Coast are trying to pump up the outdoor nature of this joint and that all the things they're out to do. So we're the radio station we're trying to show people look you can go and do this on the Gold Coast. So I'm going to go for a run. I'm going to go for a run probably from my place head up
towards snapper with people. No, I just by myself and do a little video that you then use on all their socials. Yeah, nice. Go and get into some of those crumb and trails. Or is that are they kind of like grey? I'm not as talented as you at capturing trails. You're very good at making the trails look appealing to people. I'm I look more like The Blair Witch Project when I try. And you've got to teach me how to do trail videography better. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Well, I mean, I gave you the camera and the stabilisation does half, you know, there was a time like probably when I first started capturing, when I first left triathlon and moved into, you know, a lot of the brands. Like, I mean, my kind of, I suppose foot in the door to that space of adventure came for when I partnered with Kathmandu and went over to race coast to
coast. But before that I actually just filmed some adventure stuff and it's like always just being quite natural to me. And obviously I'm very comfortable in while I'm exercising. It's not like I'm, you know, breathe in, you've got all those other things that you've got to deal with, right? You know, in those environments I, I reckon I'm pretty comfortable. But that was when I first started filming. But stabilisation on Go Pros
didn't exist then. So it was actually, you had a bit of a point of difference because you had to be men, you had to be quite a reasonable athlete. OK, that someone's going to call me out on that. You had to be capable to be able to manage yourself in those environments really well with a camera to have it stable enough to be able to show people. Yeah. Now the stabilisation on all of these toys is so good.
You can literally be running around with the arms swinging around and you see it with even iPhones and the stabilisation on iPhones, that competitive advantage went out the door. So there's no excuse, Liam, you get the right. There is no excuse for anyone to have shaky footage. And I think, you know, like the trending, you see some of the trending run footage from some of the on when I say on brands, not on themselves, but you know, satisfy row, whoever we talk
about or even the run clubs. Yeah. And there's all this, there's a shakiness to all the footage. I actually think that in part is gone that way because everyone can take such stable footage now with stabilisers. So there's zagging whenever else is zigging. Go back the other way and make it look really intense. So my style of filming is back on brand. Done the right way, I wouldn't go that far, but done the right way. Hey, before I wanted one more
thing. Yes, last night I got on Prime and watched the breaking for doco. Faith keep, Yogon. 'Cause we had heaps of questions. Where can you talk about the clothing? Can you talk about the shoes and all? And to be honest, I haven't a time to research at all but watch the was a 51 minute doco now at timer. Sorry at time that you'll be listening to this. So if this comes out Saturday morning, the record attempt for the sub four would have happened. So it's on July I'm seeing this.
If I'm correct, it's gonna be live on prime June the 20. 6th Yep, that's this weekend. No, that's Friday. Today, Tomorrow. Yesterday. Yeah, right. June the 26th. No. So June that's it's gonna be available June the. 27th at 10:00 AM So that's Saturday morning, our time. Yeah. 10:00 AM No Friday morning. Friday morning, June the 27th at 10 AM on Prime, OK, 4 minute mile live attempt. So we'll know the result by the time you're listening to this.
But what I did listen to last night, like is it was a great dock they went through around the clothing. Two things I took out of it that's in the attempt. The shoe stuff, they didn't really give that in much information on the shoe side of it. Yeah, they're lightening up the shoe and a few things. But no, the technology, they didn't give a little information on the clothing. However, the technology in the clothing is to do with drag, so they've got dimples on the
clothing. So think of the old masua shoes, yes, you know, the masseur sandals. We all remember the dimples on that, that the little smaller knobs than that across the clothing in certain spots, which is to enable how the air flows around it and affect the drag. So that's where they've gone with the clothing. From anyone who was wondering why she's got this special stuff, I've seen a lot of like the, the, the on socials, they're showing how it's knitted and all of that type of thing.
I think that's all a lot of just yeah, yeah, it all looks great on camera, but it's the drag and the dimples that are going to make the difference and then how the paces are going to run around us. So they've got men. Well, from what they showed on the show, they've got men running around who are 800 capable runners, 800 metre runners, so very fast capable runners.
And what they're looking at is because in the two hour attempt, obviously it's a little bit more simple around draught, around aerodynamics and putting like it's like birds flying. Yes, you just want everybody to shelter when you're going around. As a track though, it gets a little bit more complicated because. You can't have someone running inside or. Can't have someone running inside and you've got to do the
bends. So that person on the outside has to speed up more than the person on the inside. So they were showing some of the formations of here's the optimal formation for being able to like give her the best wind break. What I found really interesting was where they were positioning themselves was the lead runner is actually giving more space
than the rear runners. So the rear runners coming up behind her have to be right tighter to be able to manage the blocking, you know, creating that air pocket for her. And then how they do that on a track will make all the difference because the outside runners of us have got to go. Like it's nearly like fart lick. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Would it work? Just a thought as you were talking about running the track if they like, would she not be a better chance of breaking this if they found an 800 metre long like salt flat? And and and put the aerodynamics around her. Yeah, of course. Like why wouldn't they? If they want them, if they want faith to break the 8 minute, the four minute mile, why wouldn't they Lay for 800K? What? 1.6 K is a mile worth of the tartan in a straight line
somewhere. Maybe it's like full authenticity of actually doing it properly. I reckon that's something. Have you seen the guy who rides a bike, breaks when they break the like cycling speed records and they put them in behind a literally like a car and a big shelter. I mean, effectively you could do that as well, but I think they're like playing on the real fine line of things are still legal to a degree.
OK. We're on a track, we're doing it in those conditions and it was going to be super interesting to see. So, but if anyone go and watch that because it's interesting to see the whole background story of it. Yeah, cool. That's good. All right, good EP. We will be share like subscribe all that nonsense and we will be back for have we got Wednesday coming out coming up. Good question. We'll work it out, but Gold Coast Marathon? A lot of requests coming in for
the DC Mara day of episode. Day of episode. Look, I will say this, stand by, I'm not running the marathon. I can confirm that now I'm you might see me there in a different capacity. Look out for Liam. Look out for me. Alright, cool. See you then. Bye.