EP 39 - AGE VS PERFORAMCE

In the beginning episode 39, three weeks out from the Gold Coast Marathon. I hope you're enjoying the Gold Coast Marathon special episodes we've been dropping, but Courtney Atkinson as people are listening to this on their Saturday morning run. Where are you right now? We're in the thick of Red Bull race the sun, so this is probably the most stressful 24 hours of my year and I'm not running. I'm trying to organise this

thing. We've a we've a great team from Red Bull, of course, but you know, in the end, the buck stops with me. So you're in. So today, while people listen to this, if you listen to this on your Saturday morning or on your Saturday, you are in race

director mode. This remind us what race the sun is. Yeah, so Race the Sun is that is the the event we talked about where we've got 15 teams and six runners and in real life fashion they've got to go from Gold Coast starting at the sunrise and we're going to get a sunrise this year for the first time by the looks of it. It's nice crisp, clear days. And then they've got to go 345 kilometres, 7700 metres of vertical elevation.

There's trail sections, there's Rd, there's dirt, with the goal of getting to Tenterfield, which is out in northern NSW before the sun rises again the next morning. So 24 hours. And we did the maths on the the pace. 411 I. Was about to say the we the maths has been done on the rough pace they need to average throughout all those numbers. Yep, it's. Quick, it's quick. But you know what this year we I know it's a great absolute great turn out.

So I've got a message you know we're we're we're talking about guys running across Australia at the moment. It's a hot topic. Got a message from Chris Turnbull, really the guy we talked about last week who had the. Record before William Googe broke it. He's out there running today, is he? Really. Yep. Yep. Oh. Wow, he's coming.

We've got a couple of sub 220 runners coming from New Zealand all the way across the ditch, so it could be an earlier morning than I thought at the at the finish 'cause there's some solid crew coming out. We've got her trails, which is Samantha Gash coming up from Melbourne and her team. Yeah. So there's some really, it's a wide range of people out there doing it. And they'll be out there, as you know, in the middle of the night, and it's gonna, they're calling it an Arctic.

Blast. Oh yeah, it's cold here. It's cold. Here at the moment, so 6° here on the Gold Coast, I know coming back from the trials this morning it was 19, so the days are going to be fine, but Kanungra this morning was -1. Yeah, it's there's, there's some proper chill in the morning. OK, so make some predictions for us quickly then. You've just talked about some of the that's awesome that Chris Turnbull's come in. You've got that elite pointy end of the spectrum.

How many teams beat the Sun? Oh well, we have made it a little bit harder this year with making one like some sections where we're making 1 runner run like so 1:00 AM at night, yeah, there's a runner from each team's gonna have to run a half marathon along a dirt Rd before they get back into the mix of, you know, switching over. There's, you know, we're making some people run or runners from the team run up like quite up Beechmont, up the back here, large hills.

So come on, how many? How many make it? I'm going to tip, I'm going to go for about the same as last year. You know, on average I reckon we'll get about 5 teams make it. I've got a feeling, I've got a bad feeling that the fastest team this year is going to go a lot a little bit quicker than the fastest team last year, which is going to throw my whole works of how, you know, we structure the event out. But I mean that's it.

We can't control who comes and the fact that we've got, I think they they said the Kiwi team coming over, they've got three guys who have run under 220 and their female runners are both kind of three hour E type runners. I don't want to create more work for you because I know as people listen to this, you are flat stick, right? You're in work mode. But I would love, if possible, for you to bring to the show the pod next week.

Some reactions at finish line, kind of just like some some vox pops, as we call them in the radio game. Some recordings of people at the finish. Line we we've got a, we've got a content team, they're doing that type of stuff so. We'll delegate. Yeah, yeah, I'm sure we'll, we'll delegate get some of that for. Sure. In that case, I want some voice pop, vox pops, I want some camera shots, I want a reel I want.

If you're listening, jump onto In the Beginning podcast Instagram today, and I'll share some stories as we go along the way. Awesome. I'll be putting them on my channel, Greg. We'll be putting them on their channel and yeah, so literally, yeah, share them for sure. Let's do that. But wait, you talk about a week I've had New Zealand with. I'll talk about that later. What are you doing over there? OK. We'll get that into my week and

running. But like, yeah, you know, you talk about trying to, what do they say? Bite off more than you can chew? It's it's one of those weeks. One of those weeks that but we are counting down to the Gold Coast Marathon as well. Three weeks out or yeah, what are we three weeks out from from start day for that You sent me a reel that I think I, I don't think this is going to be a thing. But you you're convinced that the Gold Coast Marathon might need a smoking section.

I'm, I'm, I'm thinking, you know, like when you go to an airport and they've got a boxed off area and now have to go to have your ciggies. I'm, I'm thinking Gold Coast Marathon may need this at the finish line. A glass, a glass house to put the smokers in. Have it. It's becoming a trend. It's not, it's not. I'm. I send it to you. Yeah. That that fella. Matt Johnson, I think his name was Matt. Johnson Look, I don't know what he's doing, but he is a fit looking dude sitting in front of

a treadmill. Finished his session, got the darts out. Look, this is. This is. Silly off the back of the William. Good stuff with the finishing each day with a a cigarette and a beer. I mean, it's not like this is, this is classic social media. This is classic stupid social media. This is, is, is idiocy. And it's the monkey see, monkey

do behaviour. And in the same way, I think it's irresponsible of people who don't know how to give running advice to go on Instagram and give running advice. It's also stupid for people to think that smoking a cigarette after your exercise is going to help you break a running across Australia record like it. It's just, it's just dumb. As long as people can appreciate for what it is, yeah, that's fine. There's a bit of bit of bit of

theatre. Going on, but yeah, like that's the last thing you want to be promoting, right? But it's also, I also think that all these people, this is that whole thing about imitating, right? If someone's already doing it, William Gurge has got this right. He's made the most noise about it. He's run across Australia and he's done darts and he's had beers and all the rest of it he had. That's his thing now.

If you want to become an influencer, if you want to become a personality within this space, find something else that's taken. Don't jump on that train and try and make it your thing too, because you're you can only ever be second to it. Yeah. Same. Don't don't think you can go and do cream doughnuts after you run. Happy Alan, Happy. Alan's already got the the Long John market team. Leave it alone. That's his. Thing.

Find a new thing. And trust me, the way happy is the way Alan, his real name's Alex, but the way Alan is rolling, let him have it. That looks tough just having to when you make that thing, you think put. Weight on. He he has, he reckons he's getting fat. For anyone for anyone listening he doesn't know this is a guy on on social media who literally everyday he just finds what the best no he. Basically, I, I again, I'll talk about him for a moment because

we had him on the radio show. His name's Alex. Everyone calls him Alan, so he's happy. Alan on Instagram. Big shout out. I'm a, we had him in studio. He's a great fella. He's a young bloke, was working for an asbestos removal company. They gave him the flick because he kept taking days off to go film himself. Yeah, right. But he filmed this thing once it went viral, he did it again, the followers, the audience stayed and now it's a thing.

Now what I would, what I'm really impressed by is the fact he's now gone away and he's trying to find a way to make money out of it. Because we had to chat about the fact that he's like, well, how do I make this a career, make it a living what he's done. And I don't know who he's partnered up with this, but he's gone away and created a YouTube

channel for himself. Understandable, but I said to him after the first episode, it's called baked goods TVI think he's up 2000 subscribers or something at the moment. The view, the videos, the couple he's got up have had about 5000 views. But the production value's really good. I don't know who he's partnered with to get this rolling, but the studio set up is clean. It's Chris. The production value's really good and it's unique. It's himself.

He's he's, I don't know how he's going to go monetizing it because he's smoking and swearing and all the rest of that. That doesn't mean it's not sponsorable, but that makes it harder. But he's unashamedly himself. His guest. So far he's had Will Sparks, the DJs, had Chris Lee and the cricketer. So, you know, there's people that are gravitating towards his style of doing things and I'm really excited for him and best of luck to him.

But if you start smoking and you start eating long Johns and you think you can make that yours, you can't. That that course is bolted. That is his. Find something else. Find something else. Do a bag of Skittles. I don't know. Yeah, well, we, we, we went on a tangent then Liam, back to Gold Coast, back to the Gold Coast Marathon smoking era. It ain't gonna happen, by the way, but on Gold Coast. Ryan Kelso #1 fan shout. Out runner?

Yep. Boys with bronies comment about needing tunes for her Gold Coast marathon since she wanted a playlist. He's wants a call that we make an in the beginning podcast playlist for runners. So anyone, Well, that's easy to do. That's easy to do. Anyone got any ideas? The songs maybe just shoot them in, but we can do that before.

I like it because the thing that jumps into my head there, when Bronte mentioned this on that Gold Coast Marathon episode, for me, I don't know if I I'm, I have that habit of falling into the pace of the song. Yeah. So I don't know if I'd want to be trying out a new playlist for a marathon where I'm committed to running or trying to stick to a pace or a time. All right, it sounds rhino. It sounds like Liam's shutting this down. I'm not, I'm not. I will.

I'm happy to contribute to an in the beginning marathon playlist. We can make one. All I'm saying is. We just pick songs that are above 180 tempo. I don't know, 80 tempo because what if you're not running that tempo, Courtney? Oh, OK, we we got problems. OK, don't use it for the marathon. But don't. But what I'm saying is we'll do it. But if you blow up 30 KS, I don't want anybody blaming the playlist, right? That's all I'm that's all I'm hedging against.

Hedging against now the Polar, the the H10 heart rate sensor, the comps, the Polar Pacer. Thank you for everyone's comments, they were absolutely brilliant. You know what, this is a really shameless way to make ourselves feel better about ourselves. We should do more competitions because gives you the warm and funny fuzzies. Reading all the the lovely comments we've got, we have picked a winner and we'll tell you who it is right after these messages. No, we will get it to it at the

end of the podcast. So please stick around and we will share the winner of the Polar Pacer and the H10 heart rate chest strap. All thanks to Polar. I'm loving running with my heart rate monitor by the way. Yep, the still the data, the actual information I'm getting back, super useful. It's giving me a much better idea of where I'm at running. I'm not quite there to put a heart rate strap on at the moment, but not too far off. Back to running, there's a. Really.

Exciting project in the world. I'm really excited about it. How are you feeling about it? Like Nika here again doing it. The Breaking 4, Breaking 4. So for those people that don't know about Breaking 2, which was the Elliot Kipchoge experiment, from how long ago did you do Breaking 2? Like 5 years ago. I'm just going to take a stab at that. Breaking 2 was a was a I've brought it up. Wow it sorry. It was announced in 2016. He raced it in 2017.

So longer it's. Almost eight years ago, this was when Eliot Kipchoge at a race track in Monza in Italy, with all the benefits the paces the pace car runners to run behind attempted to break. Yeah, like he had a the two out of the tree and echelon of runners breaking the wind for him. That's super interesting. It was that long ago, and no one's still broken. Two hours Now for those that don't remember, he ran a two hours and 25 seconds, so he was 26 seconds short of breaking 2IN

that experiment. He but even eight years on in a race situation, the fact he went that time, then he would have like 8 years is a long time. It just goes to show the shoes, that first shoe they brought out was the real kind of milestone jump in technology. So there obviously hasn't been as big a breakthrough since then in in the running shoe

technology. The world record for those playing along is still 20257. So it's it's still, you're still 3 minutes off breaking 2 hours in an official race. But what they're doing with Breaking 4 is really exciting because it's now they're taking it to the women's track and they are highlighting Faith Kipiagon, who for those that remember was the gold medallist, the head of our own Jess Howell at the last Olympic Games. Down the Aussie.

In the women's 1500 and the challenge now for faith is can she become the first ever female to break the four minute mile barrier I'm. Going to say yes. You think she does it? Yes. So you're the you're the pro here, mate. Explain to me what benefits they can create for Faith in the way that with Elliot, they had the pace car in front of him, they had that echelon of runners providing the wind resistance. They had everything possible. They had the specific track,

everything set up to help him. What can they do for Faith in a track environment like this to help her break 4 minutes over a mile? All the same thing, just load her up in front with paces. I just I don't know what they're doing around this. Like are they using males to pace her? I mean, that would be the obvious. Yeah, let me ask you that. What would you be doing? Aside from males pacing, what else could they possibly do with it? Is there, is there a faster track?

Is there a location which makes this more achievable? Look, I don't know enough about it. Would be interesting to see where are they doing it. Doesn't say this is happening June 26th. See the the challenge with tracks so you'd go like when you know cycling when they break the records, they always go to altitude because of the wind resistance. The the problem you have there is there's a trade off with the

oxygen you get. So yes, LES wind resistance or not wind resistance, you know what I mean? You're at altitude easier, but it's harder to breathe. So I couldn't see them going up to where there's less oxygen to do this. Paris. Oh, OK. So we're we're pretty much see. Just found it on June 26th in Paris. OK, I forget everything I would have said, but that is true and why they're probably going to Paris. Look, what can they do? I mean, do they use an illegal

shoe? Because track shoes are pretty defined. So have they got a new shoe? I would say being the fact it's Nike, it probably is, but I haven't seen any of this, of this information. Is it going to be done in legal conditions? So that would mean using a legal shoe.

Is it done in legal conditions with legal paces, or are they just throwing the rule book out the window and going, we're just going to get there if that's the case, New shoes, male paces, Hey, for all's sake, you could get some big bloody fan like being a track and going around circles. You get some industrial fans and get some like a a endless tailwind. They don't laugh. Look, if they did that, if they did that, I, I feel like that would be like just we'll put her on a moving track.

Like, you know, that's not. So you think at that, at that point it gets silly. They can't do that. Yeah. So I'm having a look at. I'm just reading some information, more information about the race and, and there's some, there's one particular blog I'm just having a flick through here that says that she's no chance. Basically she's declaring she's no chance of doing it. The first bloke to do it was oh, how's your track history? I'm. Going to get this wrong. I'm going to get shamed here.

There's people out there listening, screaming, the answering of their headphones. Right now, I'm just his name. It was Roger Bannister, correct? Well done. I got there. I got there. You. Your reputation was in danger there. Courtney Atkinson. That was my memory in play, but OK. Roger Bannister ran 359.4 at the iffly Rd track in Oxford, England on May 6th, 1954. It became the most famous runner of all time when he was the first sub 4.

Interestingly, and I don't have the data in front of me, but interestingly once. He did it. It was her. I think Herb Elliott got there, but it was all of a sudden there was a mental thing because once he did it, suddenly I think there was a real run of athletes that achieved it. So it was kind of like is that whole thing of if you can see it you can beat it and that all of a sudden we all saw that sub 4 minute mile was possible and a bunch of. Them did it.

Oh, I mean, I think that's what's happened in Australian marathoning in the past, kind of, you know, three to four years as well. Like, but you know, some guys and girls have started running faster and everyone's just like, well, that's possible now. I mean, you know, I train with that person. I can run as quick as them. And I think that's how a lot of the momentum in Australian middle and and distance running has happened at the moment.

Just for just to go back to faith keep Jaeger bit of information about her gold medals in the last three Olympic Games 2016, 2020, 2024. No one else, male or female, has achieved that distinction. She's got the world record in the mile for women at four O 764, so she's looking at an 8 second improvement roughly. And she's got the world record at 1500 metres, which is 349 O 4, which basically I think from a maths perspective works out to be the same. 7 seconds is a lot.

Can I retract my original answer? Unless she's got, Unless she's got the fans. So you don't think 7 seconds is achievable no matter what Nike does for her? Short on giving her an illegal tail win the whole time. Or illegal? Something else? But she's still in competition. She's I think she's 31 at the moment. Yeah, Yeah. 7 seconds is a lot. At that speed, at that, at that. Well, not so much at that speed, but just at, you know, in 4 minutes to take out. So she's got to pull back.

You know, I want to say about a second and a half a lap or whatever, just over a second and a half this. And I'm give I'm I'm reading this data and I'll credit him because it's the the website is bring back the mild.com. So it's obviously someone who's dedicated to the mild distance. This bit says to run a 359.9 mile. Kipiagon should be able to run 800 metres in about 151 to 152. In real life, her best 800 is 157.6.

So she's talking about four and a half second improvement per 800. Well, we'll see, right? What date is it? June 25th, I think it was. June the 26th, 26th in Paris. In Paris time. You can you can watch it on YouTube. Alright, I'll be there. I. Will be. There. I will. Absolutely. You know what we've talked about? What gets you to watch running? Yeah, this gets me to watch running. Yes, yes it does. 'Cause there's a story, Yep. There's a story.

There's a gold storyline and there's a storyline. Yep. That's a cool storyline. Hey, hey, this is an. Interesting 1 So few of them. Few of my brother's mates have been talking about this and since we've got like such a wide range of audience, we've got 22 year olds that have been listened. Like I can see the demo of our Audience 22 right through the 60 plus. Sure, you know, which is great. I don't see demo accordingly, I just see runners. You just see runners hey, but age decline.

Great topic. So haven't some of my or some of my running partners were having a good argument about it? So one side is they're adamant that people stop performing at 40 plus because of mindset, because mentally they're like, I'm 40 now, OK, I've had enough. The other side is while some still can perform at a decent level, it's a progressive decline from 40 or even earlier. So like. What do you think? I think, I think it's harder definitely, and I think mindset has definitely in the past.

I think at both ends of the spectrum. I was trying to explain, I was explaining this two or three days ago. Tour de France is a great, let's go to cycling for a shake. I'm gonna go start at cycling. No one thought anyone could win Tour de France at 2322 years of age. It was always an old man. Like, you know, you have to do your distances, do your races and whatever. Now it's just accepted 2223, These guys are up there winning the Tour de France.

It's completely flipped. Olympic distance triathlon's the same thing. It was, you know, a real, it was a you had to mature, you had to do your mileage, you had to do your racing. That was, it's proven wrong. Now the young guys are coming out doing just as well in that space or doing the best in that space without that background, the. What's his name? Pogo Car. Yep, he won it the Tour de France at 21. Yep, I mean the, I mean, all of them are quite young at the moment.

I mean, they're a little bit older now, but they're still like they're still mid 20s. That was unheard of on the same end. On the other end of the scale though, you've got 40 plus you've got, you know, you take the Hawaii eye man. There's been multiple guys who have won that, you know, as they're coming into their 40s at the moment. We talked about Cam Worth the other day breaking the Old man world record in the cycle and still getting top ten sort of wise and all that, you know,

into his 40s. I actually do believe it's all a mindset thing, but I think the mindset thing's not about so much whether, you know, oh, look, I've got this in my mind now. I can get across it. Like there's definitely things as you get older that you've got to address, so your strength is going to decrease.

There's a whole range of things. But if you've got all of that background and then you can use it still while you're in your 40s and you can do all the extra stuff to manage your body, yes, you still can perform. But I then I'm on, I'm on both sides of this fence because I do believe there is a decline. You've just got to manage yourself so much better. But mentally 100% now. Age isn't the factor it once

was. I int like it's it's interesting to hear that and I think I agree for the most part as well. I what I will say from an average athlete perspective from a non professional athlete, because I also think there's examples in other sports, Tom Brady, LeBron James, Steph Curry, all these players, Aaron Rodgers, all these Cam Smith in the NRL, the. I am talking pro. No, no, no. When I was talking then I was purely elite. You're talking elite. Athletes, Scott Pendlebury is an example.

In the AFL right now, the ability to play for longer is only in at the professional level. I think is only being increased by the technology and the progression that all the money that's being invested into these sports. Naturally, there should be some sort of the, an athlete's lifespan should be longer,

right? And, and I mean, in both directions as well, because you talk about those athletes winning the Tour de France and things younger, it probably just an indication that the way of thinking about that sport or that race from years gone by was was narrow. So they've opened up their way of thinking about it and as a result, an athlete's career span is now greater than what it should be. That just kind of makes sense from an amateur perspective from a recreational jogger.

I don't think it's, I actually think it's more to do with your history than your age. I think if you have been AI think if you've got out of your schooling sporting career and whatever amateur sporting you might have done in your early 20s. And I'm talking about running

here. I think that's a key factor to it because I think a lot of people hit that mid 20 late 28 bracket, stop playing any form of team sport and suddenly they're like, I've got a, I've got a bang ankle, I've got a bang knee, I've got a sore hip, I've got whatever. And that's what limits them from a running perspective. I think for me, I got out of my amateur footballing career and I'm fine to run. And as a result, I'd never, I got to probably 28 and I'd never run before or made running my

main source of exercise. And suddenly this whole world opens up and I'm for about to turn 41. I still think I have PBS across every distance ahead of me. Yep, there's not, there's not a single distance from 5K up that I don't think I can not P set a new PB on because my body's fine aside from my calf injuries that I'm dealing with. But you know, my body's not a limiting factor to it. And the more I learn, the better. I'm more educated. I'm becoming around the sport.

Would you, would you say then, though environmental factors are still limiting? So as you get up like as, and it may not be specifically around the age of 40, but you know, depending on when you have kids and when you've got to have to put more time into a job and kids or, you know, like I always say, the more time you're sitting down, the more of a challenge it is, you know, at a, at an older age. I like that. I like that.

I think that to me is a is a more accurate depiction of what happens at 40. It's not the age, it's everything that comes traditionally at that stage of life. Traditionally now, if you're a single person who doesn't have a family, has a a has the means to basically live your life in the fashion you want, Yet the age is

almost irrelevant. You know, because if you've got the means to tackle things as you choose with the resources you and the time and energy you want to put into that, you can be selfish because yourself is your only aspect of your life. The age is irrelevant. Yeah, it's as much as it's as hard as you want to go, as hard as you want to work. But if you are married, with a mortgage, with kids, with all these traditional environmental factors.

More stress at work as you you. Climb the ladder, Yeah, if you are on that trip there again, traditionally, Yep, the path leads up for a lot of people. And as the path leads up and your plate gets busier with other things. All those other stresses are a factor. That's what that's like. I truly believe that is actually the biggest downfall and all this.

The other thing is what we talked about earlier about the smoking and just the following mentality, the more I also believe as more people have gone on to run, you know, UTA or marathons, and it's more acceptable, more permissible at 40 and people are improving doing all that, everyone just follows. Oh, well, I can do that. Yeah. So there's a that you've broken down that kind of glass ceiling. That barrier is purely just

people following that. That can be done by him or my friend or whatever it is, and I can do that as well at both ends of the spectrum. Again, because we're getting what we're seeing in the marathon data is people like runners are running marathons earlier and earlier in their age, like the young 20s are the ones who are driving this marathon. Boom, crazy. It's, it's a cool chat. I like that chat. I've enjoyed that. That's really.

Cool, I've got one for you. I was, I was reading, I don't know where I was, but I was on a plane, I think reading news.com. And I've travelled the world most of my life racing. And it only just occurred to me with this article that did you realise Africa is wider than the whole of Eastern Eastern Europe. And when I say Eastern Europe, I'm including Russia, the continent of Russia. Say that again.

So the whole continent of Russia from the, so I so say from the actual boundary of Russia. So I think there's Poland there maybe. Oh, you're talking about over. OK. So yeah, Russia inside that's. What I'm looking at, I'm going to put this up. For those watching on Spotify video, I'll put it up. So from the far eastern point of Russia, the continent? Yep, through to the far western point of Russia, the continent that is. Oh wow, so that is not as

because on the globe. We have been taught just just like the world, you know, with the old flat map. We have been if this article. 'S true. I haven't checked this. We have been sold a lie throughout our whole schooling, throughout all our maps. Now if you compare so they call it a can you pronounce that one? MERCATR Mer cattle, Amur cattle map versus the actual true size

of land mass, right. So effectively what they're saying is the way we look, the way maps have been in the past with straight, straight lines being positioned are for sailors to go around the world on a flat map. And when you when they'd have the map in that way and someone who's even got size degrees is gonna like crush me on this as the way I'm explaining it, but effectively it, the whole maps is warped. The maps we're used to looking

at are warped, distorted. So Australia on the map is distorted to look a lot bigger than what it would compared to where the equator is to get it flat. Yeah, until I saw this article. I know, I know. It's hard. It's hard to explain. But Courtney? Courtney's mind is exploding a little bit here. I'm baffled.

On the traditional, as I totally understand what you're saying, and on the traditional globe as we know it, the globe map that's been flattened out for the purposes of being hung on a wall in a classroom, Russia appears West to east to be the largest thing on the planet. Correct. Another way to put it, they put through it. So Greenland. If you look at Greenland on a world map, Yep, it's the size of Russia. Sorry Russia, it's the size of Africa.

But Africa in true landmass is actually 14 times bigger than Greenland. So what you're saying is if I was to run across Russia, it would seem more impressive than if I ran across Africa? Correct. And I'm sure someone has used that to their advantage. Absolutely use that to their advantage. What I'm also saying is, well, we've gone through how many years of schooling? Oh no. And no matter what the if this is true, that if someone tells you something enough, you believe.

It you're becoming a conspiracy theorist like I tell this is this is going into dangerous territory for this podcast, Courtney. So, OK, so. Africa's four times as big as Australia, but have a look at the map. We need to go and run around Greenland and then everyone will think we've run around something as big as Africa and then we say look how big it is, just look at the map. How big it is like another one they did is is another way to look at it.

Turn the world map upside down. It looks weird, right? Yeah. Because when you never look at it like that, but who's to say the word? Who to say North should be up if you? Start talking to me about Flat Earth stuff if you honestly, this is gone somewhere I didn't think we'd be exploring for future. I normally when you put stuff on the run sheet, I just go, Oh yeah, Courtney will take this

somewhere interesting. But today you've taken us into conspiracy theory terrorists about territory, about the world being distorted. It's not a conspiracy. That's the point we're being school have provided us with. Spoken like a true conspiracy theory. Jeez, I hope that article's right, because otherwise we're I'm looking like a right tosser. I like it. Hey, tell us a bit more about yeah. Fight Club now. Now to what I want to talk

about. I don't know how I ended up here, but I did the film Fight Club. Do you ever seen it? Of course. OK, awesome movie. Yep, Brad Pitt. And every, every bloke who might have dreamed about getting themselves in great Nick Brad Pitt's rig in that film. It's impressive work. This is what I wanted to ask to you about though, right? You're a professional athlete who didn't train for aesthetics, you trained for performance.

Looking at Brad Pitt there though, he's obviously there's obviously a lot of gym involved with that. Yeah, and a lot of. Stripping, But according to the thing that I've found, cardio was the key. Like I know you're not Apti know you're not a trainer for aesthetic from a how much cardio do you think you're mixing in in a weekly on a weekly basis? Clean eating of course assumed all that stuff, but from a cardio perspective. Yeah, but see, he was he wasn't, he wasn't huge in the film.

No, he was actually quite. He was my new super lean. No, but I mean, muscular wise, he was a light. He was a light frame. He was just so lean. It just looked impressive. So that's a lot different to trying to bulk up and clean, right. He was stripping, obviously doing some weights, but I'm gonna go. So you're asking me what the cardio was? He just had to do more cardio than he was eating. Like he just would have been in major calorie deficit before the movie.

Yep. So he was running at about 6% body fat apparently in that film, or 4 to 5 low. Yeah, but cardio was apparently The thing is cardio, cardio, cardio, but he only did it twice a week. But listen, this is what I wanted to get your thought on. He would do an hour on the treadmill, but he was operating for that hour at 80 to 90% Max heart rate. So he's just burning the most calories he could. So an hour at 80 to 90 of his Max heart rate.

I mean, that's probably improbable if you think about how hot like even 'cause what you just think about thresholds and where your threshold is compared to your Max heart rate you know it'd be. What's redlining for you? We've talked a little bit about some.

Like I well, like, I mean, I don't know right at the moment, but like I'd use a 178 is my Max would would be my Max when I do testing and I if I was to to run 10 Ki could go like hold between that 164 to 168. But if I then got into the one 70s, I'm cooked. So on that so. What's that as a percentage? Well, yeah, so 164 to 168 you that's sort of around 92 three percent of your. But let's say 168 on one 7889. OK. So you're at around that 90%, right?

That's about the zone that Brad Pitt's reportedly, but. That was 10 Ki wouldn't last 1/2 marathon. I was gonna say how long and so you're doing your 10K in about 3430330231. What's you're on your best 10K in? What's your 10? KPB running off the bike. We'd always like around that 30 off off the bikes. OK. Yeah. So you're running 30 minutes. So apparently Brad was doing an hour at 80 to 90%, so he would then double what you're doing. Yeah. Time wise maybe. Do we think I've fallen for a a

bit of a misinformation here? It's a good, it's a good discussion. It's great. I'm I'm, I'm more around like, you know, the body shape he had in there because in today's movies it's rare to see it's

everyone's buffed. Like they've actually probably been eating, you know, most of the stars of today's action movies, they would have been eating, you know, can 14 eggs and whatever else, chicken breasts and everything else to bulk up and then also stripping where to get that frame where he's like, it's just pure stripped back body fat, but still gonna got that light muscle. He looks like a runner. Yeah, he looks like a. Runner Well, hey, and have you seen Snatch, the Guy Ritchie

film as well? Yeah, same in that where he plays the the gypsy boxer. He's very lean he's always got a frame that kind of lends itself to that anyway. Yeah, but I'm going to. Imagine they do some like, you know, before filming, they'd have some good diuretics going on and yeah, they'd be real. Well, yeah. How much do you this is? You're not the right person for this because you're an actual athlete again, who's training to perform, not to look good, but the idea.

I've got a vague recollection of someone who did some fitness modelling talking about in the lead up to their shoot day they would be not drinking what? Dehydrating themselves, basically. Yeah. I'm assuming there's otherwise that they can accelerate it as well. Yeah.

I'm going to continue to dive. If anybody's got any movies or TV shows that involve running that they're interested about, send them through because I'm going to delve into the world of running in on silver screen because Tom Cruise's I wonder which action star is run the most case. In their movies. Over their careers. Well, most of them probably had stunt doubles, so Tom Cruise is probably you. You would say that Tom Cruise is probably run. Let me rephrase that.

I wonder which action star character? Yeah, on paper, whether it's them or they've. Yeah, Well, that ruins the game. Play the game. Play the game, Courtney. Like I wonder how far did Forrest Gump according to the script actually run? Oh, that's a good call. Like, how much did Tom Hanks actually run in Forrest Gump? Yeah, I reckon he run less and

he grew his beer well. But then like so if the script says he ran from that state to that state, I started running, how far did he run versus how much running did he have to do in the film? Oh, I'm gonna, I'm gonna take a stab and say he was running like Max 100 metres, 100 metres and did it a couple of times and then all right, done. Next week on the show you. You've received that. One next week on the podcast, I bring to you Forest the running facts about Forrest Gump, if anybody has.

Take a note so we make sure. If anybody has another I'm going to put it on next. Week while you're taking while you're taking a note because that's a great conversation. I want to keep going on that one next week while you're taking the note, I want to give a shout out to our Apple listeners because we we when we're doing the giveaway and and everything we we offer, we use Spotify unashamedly. And what we do realise is there's a lot of people who

listen to us on Apple as well. So we want to give a shout out today to the Apple listeners, those who you are on there. So quick cup, quick cup try again. Quick couple of shout outs. Now what's interesting with apple, I know they do have the names there. So TJ from Byron, thank you. Thank you for shout out TJTJ Addy star one that has to be a Adidas Adidas. Adidas. Hey, always with a downhill, downhill skier Alice from New Zealand and she is she's actually ride Solomon skis. Oh cool.

But is sponsored for gear by Adidas, their Terex collection. And I said to her, and I'm in the car, I was driving her to this conference I was at and said to her Adidas, oh, sorry, Adidas and what is it? And she said Adidas, Adidas, Adidas, like Step 4 because she lives in literally spends all her time in Austria. And she said, no, no, there's only one the way. And it's a German way, Adidas, Adidas. You have to say it like you're Arnold Schwarzenegger. Pretty much, yeah.

Adidas I was, I was given the quick. Get to the other DAS. Other das so Adidas star one Adidas OK yeah loves us weaving these yarns in well there's been plenty of yarns today that have gotten a soft track Mike BF best friend Palomi 94 look there's there's he's one there's but pretty much there's awesome podcast those interested in running really enjoying the marathon tips from Benita. Well that's nothing about us. You know what Benita and Brody

have been a massive asset to? We're gonna have to work out how we we've them back in at some stage because we've only got 3 weeks left. We'll have plenty more on marathons coming. So yeah, thank you to all those Apple. Listeners to our Apple listeners. With the giveaways and that of course we have of. Course, the Apple comments and the ratings have gone into the draw for the Polo Watch and heart rate. Yeah. So then I have one from Rodney. Rodney.

Great name but AKA Doctor Ben. Oh really? Yeah. I didn't realise Doctor Ben was going on to Rodney these days. I. Didn't think he had an Instagram account but it's funny what you find out about people when they write it in a way you can know what's going on. So gentlemen term usually use loosely don't. I don't get to run with Courtney anymore so I have to comment on Spotify. He's just doubling down. Wrist heart weight rate does not

work at all. He's though he's saying some people's doe correlate depending on the sessions. OK he's saying I've bullied enough people to thinking wrist watches are useless and I'm still going to bully people to think that really long hard sessions either in the rain particularly sweaty days up here in Queensland. Yes, that's when the they they hit this shit happens, but pretty much chest straps are more reliable.

Summary in summary. He's he's saying, in summary, test your gear for what works for you. So basically you can't, don't go on what we're saying, Don't go on what anybody who sold you the stuff says. You need to test what works for you to figure out whether it's going to be a reliable, accurate measure of your heart rate. Interesting to note that he's dropped down there at the very

end of that message. He said anyone who has listened to all the podcasts should be able to work out where Courtney is going for his marathon debut. I have no inside information, but I can still tell you where. So the thing that upsets me there, Ben, is I sit across from Courtney and I can't work out where he's going. Have you made the decision? No, I'm still we'll get into my running a little bit on it, but

I'm nowhere near my like. The point is it's all, it's all well and good talking about or having ideas, but until you can actually, until you're actually in training, running for something, then it's just hearsay isn't it? Paula Louise, I loved hearing about the New Zealand Mara. Thank another one. We've opened a can of worms here. Liam, me and my partner were talking last week about doing next year and when you guys

spoke about it, was amazed. They want more footy talk about Geelong and I said well, far out. Geelong gave us a flogging. What do you want to hear about what? What footy chat do you want? Have you, have you had any made any progress with Will Ashcroft? No, no. We were gonna investigate. Well, we've been so busy with. We have been. Very running. Running stuff, Liam, Yeah, we can. That's later in the year, we'll get on to more stuff like that, but running is our focus at the

moment. Geelong gave Gold Coast Suns. They gave them a good well, no, I wasn't a flogging. No, no, no, it wasn't a flogging. Look, it was a tough loss for the Suns and they're in a a tricky part of the season at the moment. It's a good test. It's a good test to see where they are at against as all the other good teams start to improve and find their best football. The Suns started really well, they put themselves in a

position to make finals. Now the challenge is for Dimmer and the players to navigate their way through this mid season and and still be in the hunt for finals. Sort of come back from the BI this week. They've got the, they've got the weekend off this weekend. Next weekend they're playing GWS down in Sydney. I'll be, I'll be calling that game down. I'm travelling. You're going down. Yeah, going down to Sydney to call that game for, for Triple M. So I'll be down there, which is

which is always fun. Together Is it a night game? No, it's a Sunday afternoon. So it should be sunny, hopefully. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But GWS are in a bit of a sea soaring season too, so they. Could go either way, yeah. But it's also, it's just great to see that the Expansion Cup, as it's known, where the two expansion signs, GWS and Gold Coast, play each other. Both teams are fighting for finals because in years gone by early seasons that game was irrelevant.

Yeah, GWS are being on for years now. They've been batting really well, yeah. They're going well. Yeah, So what else have we got on? Do we sharing Justine comment or you wanna skip ahead to run weeks? Leave Justin's till I can do a bit more research on that because I actually Justin has a comment around power based running. All right, well, there's some homework for you. I've got to look into Forrest Gump. You've got to look into power based running. Tell me about your.

Running before I blabber on forever. You've been to New Zealand. We'll get to that story very shortly. Quickly, I'm back running a bit and I appreciate everybody that sent out a message after I posted my 10K run. You were one of those people as well. He's back back running over 10 KS for the first time in a very long time.

Calf felt great. The thing I found after that recent run as well is as much as I felt like talking about being injured, not being out of run was good and was was keeping me sort of calm and composed about everything. I have realised just how important running is for my mental health, right? And I'm not going to go on about mental health too much because that's not what we do here. But for me personally, running is really, really important.

I had a pretty tough week on the radio show this week and had a bit of a tough moment on Wednesday show. It's been it's been men men's health week in Australia that's focused on physical health, but also mental health as well. And I shared a story on our radio show talking about sadly, a mate of mine who's not with us anymore happened earlier on this year. And it was really I, I've, I've not dealt with it. It's not done by any means.

I still, I miss the guy and still talk to our friends about him. But it, it happened in March. I didn't talk about it then because the radio show that was right around Tropical Cyclone Alfred, I would have had lots of conversations about it. But I spoke about it on the radio show for the first time on Wednesday and got pretty emotional about it because it's always hard talking about that stuff for the sort of the first time, you know, publicly.

And whilst radio's really fun occasionally, I think you've got a, there's a level of responsibility, if you've got that level of platform to actually use it for something more than just poking fun at whatever's going on in the Gold Coast. It was a really tough morning, great support from everybody around. But then I went for the run the day after, yes.

And it it didn't wash the feelings away because I'm still sad that my friend's not here, but my brain just felt like a much, I don't know, cleaner place, if that makes sense. Is that because when you were running, you're not thinking you're buying? Well, like, well, I had a podcast. I was running the streets. I was just running the roads. What? What podcast? Come on. What podcast was I was listening to the Bill Simmons podcast,

which is American sports. Just listening to that just NBA chat bit of, you know, social media. It's pop culture stuff. But so I wasn't really thinking, yeah. But also for me, running, cleaning out my brain is probably the the best way I can describe it. It's and there's probably people out there who know exactly what that feels like. There's probably people out there that go, I don't understand what you mean cleaning out your brain. My brain can be a very busy place at times.

And the feeling post run I have is as not quiet, but as clean and unclogged I think as my brain gets. So it's been really nice having that, just having that one 10K run bank this week as, and I'm guarantee you if you ask my wife, she's the one that sees it and she's like, Oh yeah, Liam's a much easier bloke to be married to and live with when he's running because everything else comes, comes, yeah. So I couldn't agree more. I couldn't agree more. It's. And I know for you the trails is

that particularly? Well, I'm just thinking about you said anyone listening might not know cleaning out. I think that that's the beauty of running is you don't need to know that. You don't even need to think about that because I think it's just a byproduct everyone gets. Maybe if you're that way inclined that you are a bit stressed and you are a bit busy, then you realise how good it is.

But most of the time, if it's consistent, yeah, it's just part of what you do. And that is what is keeping. I think a lot of things just moving really well. And I mean, running's one thing like you can go surfing and get the same feeling. Exactly. And maybe if I went. Down a biking and probably get the same feeling maybe sometimes even a better feeling because I also come back like 1. You get that feeling of being out there in cleared head, but I also get a bit of adrenaline.

I'll come back like fired as well so. But yeah, so back running longer, which makes me happier and the car feels great. There's still there's still the occasional moment mid run where and it's that I don't know if it's the the not a placebo, but like a you know how sometimes when if people people have phantom. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Phantom pain. Sometimes on those runs, I'll have this momentary phantom pain in my calf, which makes me think, Oh no, I've done it

again. But then if I. It's just your brain, it's your brain concentrating on what you know. Has you felt that pain and your brains remembering it in that spot? And that's where running with people can help on the way back.

So there's a catch 22 with running and people on the way back from injury because one on one side, I think it's brilliant because you get chatting to someone and it takes your mind off exactly that experience of looking for the problem to reoccur because that's what you're doing. You're like thinking is it, is it coming, is it coming, is it coming? And if you think about it enough it it comes in whether it's a phantom pain or whether it is actually a week and it's and it's actual pain.

But then I suppose a bit more, the negative side of running with someone on the way back is that they're pushing a bit hard and out of your, you know, and pushing a little bit too hard. It also can cause injury back. So like for example, if you went out and ran too fast and overdid it, that's going to make the injury. Obviously. Probably. Well I got a message from from Adzi after he saw that 10K run, so I look forward to seeing you at run. Group. Oh, right, everybody said settle down.

No, no, no, he said. I look forward to seeing you at Run Group this weekend. I was kind of like, my brain did that. I was like, oh, but what if? Yeah, not yeah. Anyway, yeah, what about mate? Let's talk New Zealand. Yeah, I mean, your trip looked amazing. I had one I've well we're as we said we're talking Saturday, so I would have been have run

events. So of all weeks, while I'm trying to organise a 24 hour run event for for a whole group of people, which is gonna be amazing, I had to skip over New Zealand for the first three days of the week in the same week. So the reason I was over there. So they get Red Bull, get all the athletes together in all the different countries from time to time. Obviously, being an Australian Red Bull athlete, I'm normally with the Aussies, but part of what I get to do at Red Bull is I also help out.

And like, now I'm one of the older crew there, I get to help out in some other ways. So I was over with the New Zealand crew. And funny thing is, like, you know, when they talk about imposter syndrome, yeah, it doesn't matter what you do, you're always are going to have that. Like I think it'd be interesting to talk to some of, you know, different people in different areas because like I've often heard people talk about imposter syndrome, but like I turn up and I'm the Aussie there.

But also like everyone is from a different sport. So you've literally got, you know, some of the best downhill mountain bike races, the best Backcountry snowboarders, young girl they've just picked up from a snowboarding. Her name's cool. Think of a superstar name. You know, we talked about her name's. Cool. Her name is cool. Like C double OL, yeah, I You're not becoming Japanese New Zealand athlete, you're not becoming an accountant, are you? If you're cool. Talk about a superstar now.

Like as if she is not going to become a superstar. You know what? That's called nominative determinism. When your name dictates your future career or what you're going to do, it's an actual term called nominative determinism, and it'll be like having a dentist called Doctor Candy or. Yeah, well, Usain Bolt, you know, cow. Cow is like a name but like cool and she is a snowboarder. That's so awesome. It is. That's.

So cool and she was cool so cool, but imposter syndrome yes, I'm just there going like you know I'm there part of it as we did some yoga 1 morning we're out playing golf. Hey, got out playing golf. Hey Jaden, too bad like I reckon I'm like one out of two. I get one on the that's. Not we're bad. We're playing Ambres, but like you, I just talked about the athletes we're with. Pretty much. You can imagine those athletes on a golf course in the rain with golf buggies.

It was the golf was the side show. I was gonna say, I also often think that for athletes in particular, they're either golfers or they're not like cricketers for the most part. Golfers, right? Footy players, a lot of them golfers, and then I find that you'll get the world's most coordinated athletes in some other sport and you put a Golf Club in their hand if they can't swing it. You've never seen that athlete look less athletic. It was more Happy Gilmore than

it was. So I don't know who who you're going to find at Mick Fanning's golf day yesterday. Yeah. But I mean, like just, and I just pinch myself sometimes of like where I end up in the experiences and, you know, the next day we're back here and then, you know, trying to get a whole heap of cruise safely from the Gold Coast out to Tannerfield.

It's just quickly when you yeah, and we don't have to talk too much about this if you don't want, but I think do you when you look at the guys you raced alongside of and the women you raced alongside of and what some of them are doing now for life.

Like you talk about the pinch me and the opportunity that Red Bull of you know, you obviously you've fulfilled your end of the bargain and you continue to do it as an elite athlete then now with everything you do. But the fact that your life has taken that this trajectory post professional Ironman triathlon race. Yeah, triathlon when I don't know what some of you contemporaries are doing with themselves these days. Hey, look.

Everyone, I think one thing that happens is elite sport teaches you a structure that allows you to succeed in whatever you want to go on to do if you've got that right mindset of going. So look, obviously some athletes and this happens a lot, it goes

one or two ways. They can fall off the rails too, because there is that depression element of, you know, no longer being, you know, the big fish in a big pond or small pond or whatever you want to call it. So and then suddenly they've got to find their way in the, you know, what we'd call the real world. Without the support, without Co support or pop, people told. What to do and all of that. So there's a whole new relearning there. So there's definitely that element there.

But most of the people I grew up, I mean, triathlon wasn't like you got to retire off triathlon, right? It's not like some, it's not like we're golfers or, you know, footy players. So you, you generally have to go off and do something else. But some of them have become, you know, in, in corporate lives. Some of my best mates, like I go on holidays with, you know, became really successful in their corporate worlds and sales managers, whatever they are these days.

And some people created clothing brands and kicked on that way. The beauty of what you know, what I'll give you, you know what drives me? The one base element that drives me in everything I do is decisions are made on. I still want to be able to be as close to an athlete. Like, I love the outdoors and I love training and I love. Being the athlete lifestyle. I love. Yeah. Well, it's not even the

lifestyle. It's actually more the, the, the feeling of being able to be fit outdoors, healthy and promote that. That's what drives me because I like, you know, we're sitting here. That's part of the reason it's great sitting here talking to you is that we're driving people to go out. And, you know, if we, you know, some of the comments that come through and say, you know, I'm listening to you and that's helping me, you know, get back into running or, you know, some

of that. That's what I love doing now more than anything. And I suppose in a way that's where, you know, I can kind of give back a little bit to the younger athletes. Like they're very oh, this old dude like. God. Can you imagine when you're like 20 what you thought of? Yeah, but on the flip side, there's certain elements that I think you'd go well, like I can take some of that stuff away and the shit I don't want to listen to.

Yeah, yeah, just like, no, it's really, it is really cool because and everything you just spoke about is it's a fascinating like it aids. It's cool to see you and doing what you do around the Red Bull brand and I think it's a really cool brand, but it's cool to see the way and it's to listen and learn about the way you manage that side of your stuff. But it's also really interesting, I think subplot to the professional athlete life, which doesn't get talked about a

lot. And I know a lot of the football organisations are a lot better at managing. You know your career is only a snippet of your life. Well, that'll be a great chat for one of our guests coming up around Gold Coast Marathon because, you know, to hit the top of the tree and then you know what life looks like for athletes once once you're out of, you know, of, you know, racing an Olympic Games. Pretty much my local race conversation each week that I want to keep bringing.

So this is a great one. I love, Oh, you know, you know my how much I love QLD. And this one from Kyle Adams, he's running events up in Queensland, in God's country around just out West of Gladstone, so the boying Valley. And he actually wrote to me asking about, he runs a backyard ultra. And I was honest with him and I said my backyard ultra is really all like, yeah, yeah, I, I get it. But like, yeah, whatever. He said, don't worry. I've got a 50K through the

valley as well, 50K trail race. So that's, that's more interesting. Yeah, yeah. If you're up, if you're up in the north or you actually ever want to travel up around that area of, you know, you got Gladstone up there. I've talked a lot about going up to 7070 Agnes Water to go on holidays, that whole area. Yeah, Kyle runs through milepost events. If you want to Google it, we'll put the link in as well. But he runs a a number of trail events up there, which, oh,

cool, you know the country. I'll try and get some photos of when I've done some adventuring out the back there in the mountains. It's beautiful. Yeah, amazing. Great spot. Mining and it drives the country, and that's mining country, man. Mining country, we got to listen. Shout out to give to Davey Wilson. We do. Hey, boys. Oh, you want to read it? You. Oh, I'll probably. Read it please. There's no big, there's no

difficult words in there. But Dave has said, long time listener, first time commenter, which is great. Been here since the beginning and love how you have challenged my thinking around running and how I've evolved in that time, which is interesting because we're what are we 10 months in? Dave said. I fell back in love with running, trail running in particular in 2019 after listening to the book Born to Run. Now he's born to run the. It's the one about the the.

Is that the the? South South Americans South American yeah, tribe so. If you haven't, it's a really it's by Christopher McDougal. It's called born to run, the hidden tribe, the ultra runners, and I'm just finishing that the the hidden tribe, the ultra runners and the greatest race the world has never seen. So it's a it's a really good book if you're interested in running. So he's, he's listened to that book as an audiobook. Go check it out. Dave said it took me all the way

back to me as a 5 year old. He's now 42, starting little athletics and that feeling of just loving running and competing. It started off slow and quickly turned into a result of following Goggins at the time into let's run as far as we can as soon as possible, right? You would not be alone Dave and falling into that trap. He said What a journey it's been in these past six years.

I've had the pleasure of experiencing overtraining, tight Itbs, having to stop and start all over again, but I managed to complete the BTU 60 in just under 9 hours. And last year IP Bead at the GC, Mario in 342. Yes, this year I love this. This year I've adopted your motto from today, last week's podcast of Go Harder not longer. Thanks for making me a better runner. Grateful. Go harder not longer. This is the motto we came up if anybody missed.

If this is your first step, go back and listen to last week's step. The idea of don't just go further because everyone else is doing it. Why not try and go harder Not longer? We've got, I know we said we wouldn't make T-shirts and start making merch, but I feel like Go Harder not longer is a great T-shirt. I'd run in that. Anyway. Shout out Dave. Thank you mate. Yep, Yep, Yep. Yeah, mate. No, you can trademark it. We're there. Oh. What are we talking? I don't know how to trademark

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