In the beginning, episode 35, it wasn't as clean as I'd like to to have been. How are you mate? I'm. Going to have one too. It's been a long day. It's been a long day in the build up to this. We got running to talk about. We got some top. The top running songs have been identified. A bit of a Strava deep dive's been done. We'll get to those in a SEC first. I think we've been doing a pretty good job of light of dipping our toe into other sports that we are not experts in, especially me.
You're an Olympian, you're qualified to talk about some of this stuff. As you can tell by my hat, I was at the Gold Coast Pro during well, what's going on? We both. I know, I know that Liam, because I was there with you. So thank you. We both were. We were hanging out down there in those awesome Red Bull best seats on the point. Yep, set up that they had down there which were the best seats on the point which. Were better than the VIP area.
So much so that we ended up awkwardly being stuck in the back of shot on the broadcast for every surfers, coach and team that came into the area because it wasn't meant to be the place for the surfers, coaches and teams to necessarily hang out and direct them from it. Wasn't. And so they told me in the end that the crew from Red Bull told me that was set up for actually like an activation for spectators to come down and like
best seats in the house. Just pull someone out of the crowd and go, hey, instead of sitting on the rocks, come up here, have a drink, have a bit of food on us. But what it turned into, because of the way they were surfing, the point, the surfers were down further than they normally would be. So from the actual proper athlete area and coach's area, they couldn't see the surf properly. Hence, we ended up in the
coach's box. So we say, if you can for people out there that don't quite understand what we're saying, if you imagine a tennis tournament and you see the camera cut to the coach's box and you often see Nick Kyrgios and the likes yelling at their coach's box, The what we were sitting in was the surfers equivalent of that. So and as these heats finished, the coaches and the, you know, team of each surfer would walk out and then the next heat, coaches and team would walk in.
And it just looked like you and I were, I don't know, dagging over every team that walked in. Like the Brazil. We were part of the Brazilian team for a while. Girlfriends, boyfriends included and. You and I there the whole time. Anyway, we're hanging out there. It was awesome and then the VIP section above Bill Pavilion was
good fun too. What I wanted to get through though, the event itself was moved there because Snapper, the ex tropical cyclone had wiped away the bank at Snapper and it wasn't going to hold up to the WSLS needs for the surfing comp. That event at Burleigh was awesome. That was so good. That was that was incredible. It was a. Perfect spot to have the actual event, but I know you're going to go where. The surf is which brings to my next question.
Where should it be next year? Berly, you go, so you go. This is the way I'm phrasing this question. Is athlete over audience or audience over athlete cause for the spectators, Berly's better I. Guess the surfers are going to say go back to snapper 100%. It's a better surf for the event and for spectators. And the way it turned out and it was even pretty ordinary weather over the weekend, it was still good. Can you imagine if it was like a Bluebird four or five days they
got as well. That's amazing. I mean. 10,000 people down there on the final. Day and Burley's only gonna get like by next year, the train or the tram or the G link or whatever you want to call it probably goes down to Burley. That place is gonna be, you know, it'll be two packed. OK. So next year you even if the bank is ready to go back at Snapper next year, you would still hold the event at Burley because of what the event site and the atmosphere that it
depends. Depends what hat I've got on mate. I think for. Right now you've got your In the Beginning podcast hat on Burley. So 'cause I spoke to some people from the WSLIP spoke to some people from Experience Gold Coast and it'll go back to Snapper next year. But the challenge they face is how to recreate. I think it's kind of a win win because they get to go back to the better way, which will be Snapper. But now they can see what an event site should look like on the Gold Coast.
So they now have the challenge to recreate that burly heads event site at Snapper. Next question 2032 Olympics Where should the surfing be held? Snapper. There you go, backflipped for the Olympic Games. I'd want to see it in the best surf. This is so interesting because my head is the other way. I think the WSL should be back at snapper next year, but I think for the Olympics it should be at Burley. Now you say what? I'm completely the opposite because for the Olympics I want
the best surf, best chance. It's about 100% about the competition. OK, WSL, yes, it's about the competition for the surfers. And here we are talking like Sir, we know what surfers think but but. But the surf is considered the snapper. The better way, 100%. It's on its day.
It's the best way. Well, however, when you take into year on year the fact that it created that style of event because the reason there's multiple reasons why you come to a location when you bring an international event to a location. And what Burly proved on the weekend or over the last few weekends is that it is by far a better location to bring people in.
Now here's where I argue a little bit around the type of people that get down there because hey, heavy surf crew who love watch surfing are gonna go no matter what. Now, where you could put, you could put it down at Kingscliff and they're still gonna rock up. You could put it in Byron, they're still gonna rock up. Put it at Bloody 1770 with no surf, they're still gonna rock up.
But however, what you did by moving it to Burley was I think you brought a new kind of, let's say the locals especially. I think you got a lot more locals down there that normally wouldn't go down to snapper, including myself. Here's why I say that. Red Bull obviously heavily involved in WSL. The skis, like we talked about how we're up in the athletes. You've got that, You've got that individual surfers that you sponsored, Yeah. This has been going on for as long as I've been around the
business. Yeah. I've never been to Snapper to watch. I've never been for the simple reason. Well, yeah, yeah, just. It's not a. Convenient spot. It's not a convenient spot to get to further away from me. Burly's easier. It's only going to get easier, hence why I say I I don't want barely any busier either as a local, but when we're bringing in an international event there, that is the place.
But but at an Olympic level, as an Olympian, you want whatever the arena is, whether it's the wave, the track, the road, you want it set up so that the athletes can they've got the best chance to compete. Yeah, and I also know how the
Olympics works. They're gonna try and sell tickets, so they'll create the grandstand, they'll create it'll be bigger than WSL in the sense of they'll create the needs to ticket it to watch it in a way that I I don't think they would allow surfing to be completely free. Oh. There you go. Because of the style I like, this is a bold prediction.
Because of the style of the point, they're gonna sell tickets to be able to watch it. And I'm not saying you can't go halfway, you know, say they rented at Burley. I'm not saying you couldn't go and stand on the beach at Burley and watch it from afar. Yeah, but I guarantee you. Actually, I can't guarantee anything. I'm not in that position to guarantee it, but I was. I would if it would be in my mind that that whole area would be ticketed for the Olympics and limited.
This is. So why after then is the place to do it? Because you're ticketed. You get there, you don't have to fight the crowds it you just get there and it's gonna be limited on how you can. Watch it. And the very notion of that is so anti surfing that idea that you might restrict it. Olympics is anti surfing. That, but that's what I mean. But I think, well, so the Olympics I'm. Gonna get shot down for saying that, but like, it's the new age
of the Olympics, right? But I mean, they ran an Olympics. What's I mean, take it to the extreme Paris the surface went to. Was in Chopu, in Chopu in Tahiti and another country on the other side they were. Halfway around the other side of the world for their Olympic Games and you know, if hey, it's the best way in the world. It was French and everything
else. But the fact is when you're talking about Olympic Games and athletes wanting to be part of the Olympics and around the Olympics, I think I would go, I've never heard of a a sport that was as far away from the Olympics as that. I'm just having interesting because the most recent Olympics, as you say, Chopu now spectators not ticketing for spectators. Not a drama there. You either have a boat you can get into the channel or you can't, right? They they didn't have that problem.
I'm just having a bit of a quick Google of Surigasaki beach in Japan is where the surfing was held for the Japan Olympics. Now I'm not sure what that I've never been there.
I don't really know what the setup would have been like, but snapper if it isn't, it should be the location for the surfing for Prison 2032. What I mean by it's that's very anti surfing is what makes the WSL event and other surfing events great When you go down there is that you can walk out and basically stand in shin deep, knee deep water and almost reach out and touch the surface as they cut catch the way from behind the rock and all the rest of that.
So the idea that the IOC might come in and go so righto, well, the beach is closed here. The beach is closed all the way around to, I don't know, Rainbow. Unless you've got a ticket, it'll be it'll be a real moment. We're we're guessing, I'm guessing. No, no, no. It's a fun I mean. If you think about when Commonwealth Games was on the beach, volleyball was down at Kira, I mean, it was you. You can't just go and watch it. It's a ticketed event into a grandstand. It's gonna be fun.
This, this is. I enjoy this, but I also like the take that Olympics performance matters more. Yep. And the A4. It should that 2032 should be at snapper. But from a major event perspective, Bailey's the location. Bailey was great. It's good. It's good. Let's take into some running, mate. I found this post and I wanna as soon as I saw it and before we get into it, are you when you're up in the trails, I know you don't have headphones in sometimes. Well, sometimes. What do you listen to?
Well, I either listen to a podcast, a long podcast and I'm happy to run to that, or I listen to just music. And the way I do it, I get into Spotify, I select a a generally a song that I like and then I'll just put on the radio. So you have that that kind of. Like you let the algorithm decide. Yeah, I'll just let it decide, find some new songs. Like at the moment I've gone into, I'm doing a lot of what's it called, Triple J, like Aversions. Yep, some of them I hate, some
of them I like. But you know what it's it's all variety and new songs that I probably haven't heard. So that's where I'm at at the moment. What about? You cause I've, yeah, well, I'm, I'm a if I run with my phone, I'll listen to a podcast if I don't run with my phone and I've just got my watch, I've got, I've only got 1 playlist preloaded onto my watch, which is a hip hop playlist. So it's not curated.
It's, well, it's, I think it's Spotify curated it for me when I uploaded it. Yeah, and now I haven't changed it, so I probably should. But the idea of man making a playlist to run to, I don't know if I can be bothered. Like that's kind of my attitude towards it a bit. Well, that's why the radio function works so well. You pick it, you know, at the time, you know, week to week, different songs. My tickle, you fancy. And I'm like, oh, that song today, I feel like that.
And then just hit the radio and you'll just get spammed with all the same songs. And I think I'm contractually obliged to say don't forget about the Listener app, which is which is the company I work for. Hey. Please, hey, I'm gonna I'm gonna let I'm gonna let you have a bit of a spiel here because I want you to explain to me. Yeah. Listener app because who is it? The podcaster. How he how he, how he games Listener. Yep. Always advertised Listener come to listener come to listener.
So. So this is the listen listener is is like is some IP that the company I work for a Southern Cross Australia created. They made it, they built this player and it's essentially I mean, for lack of a better comparison, it's Spotify, OK, but the difference is that it is they own the IP of it. It's where they stream all their radio shows, so you can live stream. So for people that more and more the radio cars are more adapted, you know, listening through this sort of stuff now.
So as digital radio grows, this is listener is SE as way of keeping pace and moving forward and showing. So you kinda like on demand TV stations yes for radio yeah, but they've also got podcasts added in there. Exactly. They've got their suite of podcasts, all the podcasts they've licenced from overseas. You've got specific radio. So if you're into country music,
there's a triple M country. If you're into 80s there's all that sort of hey, it makes sense you got channel 7 channel channel 7 plus that's exactly what domain perfect. So anyway, I found this post though it's come from Track House which has great Instagram account if you love your
running. And what they've done is they got 500 runners to tell them their favourite songs to run through, and then they've basically condensed them down to a top five S 500 runners is a sample size and these are the top five tracks that people run to from this survey. So let's start with #5A song I had never heard before.
That is, I like that. So it's by Eagles of Death Metal, which the band I've heard of, but it's called Miss Alyssa and apparently it was part of a famous Nike ad in 2014. Yeah, I I hadn't heard that song. It says the the comment is you'll feel like you're in a movie while racing a middle aged mum in a park run. Maybe enough people have run around Nike and got Nike stuff. They've heard it. That's over and over. When you hear the rest of this list. This would be American, I'm assuming.
Yeah, probably when you hear the rest of this list, I think there's that that is a this list is a big tick for Nike. The fact that a song from a Nike ad has managed to cut through. Because the rest of them, I think people will know coming in #4 Goldie, I mean, do you find the set of stairs? Do you play? It How often do you play this? Survive Eye the Tiger on the show, on the radio station. Yeah, yeah, I reckon I used to play it more.
I used to play it more when we're in Brisbane now that the moon, Gold Coast Breakfast, probably not as much, but yeah. Eye the Tiger by Survivor, 1980, That song's older than me. 1982 that song came out on Good song anyway #3. You gotta wait for this one to Rev up. This is the. I did a lot of running to this. Really. Yeah, yeah, I remember this one. Florence and the machine dog days are over. I mean, I've only got the start here, but it it ramps up, this
would be a good build song. You know, like if you're doing 1K reps or something and you want to bring it home. That's nice. OK, number two more much more recent song. Come on in. Let's. Go straight up. It's a good running straight up can't hold us. Macklemore and Ryan Lewis. OK, I want that one. That's good running time and then. Did this surprise your number one? Yes, it did, you know. No, because I don't. OK so I came across the reason I know this.
I wouldn't know any for any other reason. Then it was a what was the Netflix show with There was this that all the kids, the kids in the house all had superpowers. One of them was like an ape ape style X-Men. This is gonna do my head in now for the rest of the show. Hold on. It's a Netflix show. A Netflix show? Kids have superpowers. Yep. In a house? Yep. And their dad. Grazing down Miss Peregrine's Home for Peculiar Children. No, that one too. Anyway, someone will tell us.
Extraordinary, no? We can be heroes. No, I'm gonna find it in a minute, but that Umbrella Academy, Umbrella Academy here, we got there, we got there, and we probably just lost half out. But yeah, how's the rule?
Things, yeah, no, we didn't cause 'cause I guarantee people were running along going Umbrella Academy, Umbrella Academy. Yes, so it was in their soundtracks, OK And they had a good soundtrack for their first series, so. I've never seen it, but the song is called Run Boy, Run by Woodkid. Run Boy, Run This world all is not meant for you. Run by run. They're trying to catch you. Run by running. Running is a victory. Run by running. You realise behind the heels.
I hate it, I hate it. I hate it. So do I hate it. That's that. I'd never I, I deliberately. I knew I hadn't heard the song so I avoided it since I sent you the post. That's a horrible song to run to. Well, you get you going. It's got to it's got to be the but you know why I reckon it's the most popular run boy run. So if you type in anything to do with running Oh, if you search running songs, run anything to do with. That it automatically just resonance? Run, boy, run. There you go.
That's clever. So I don't think they were thinking about. No, no. Well, well, hold on. Maybe there's an opportunity for us here to come up with a song and make it #1 we just call it Run Faster. Running, just running. I'm running. It was a huge part of that Umbrella Academy. Anyway, there are the, there are the top five songs to run to according to to track house and the survey. They've done good.
I like track house. Again, if if you love your running stuff, underscore, track house Underscore is the account. And yeah, it's a, it's a really great account just for, for running pop culture stuff. Yep, let's move on. Welcome to Wrexham. Have you watched it? Oh yeah, 100%. They're coming to town. Well, that that's why I've got it on the show this week. That's why I'm talking about it. So welcome to Rex. And if you haven't heard about it on Disney. Yeah, they're so soccer team. Yeah.
Done a little bit of background. So they are the wait. Well, let's go from the beginning. All purchased by the Hollywood stars. Ryan Reynolds And who's Here we go. This will be fun. Rob. Say your surname. Rob Mcelhaney. You're close, Mcelhenny. Does he say it like that? Yeah. OK, so they purchased this team for 2.5 million U.S. dollars and it I just saw yesterday, whether it's right or wrong, about 400 mil it's worth now. Yeah. So it's not a bad investment.
It is as a soccer club, football club. It is. It was formed in 1864 and it's the oldest club in Wales and the third oldest professional football team in the world. It's cool. Cool story, cool. Story and if you haven't watched the doco, it's easy to go back and it's such a great it's such a well produced sports documentary.
I think sports doco's and we've talked a bit about last dance and Sprint and all these other ones and Drive to survive there has they've they've almost become a bit formulaic like as in they start to Drive to survive started it and now they've done a G1 and then they did a tennis. One then, well, I'm watching. I'm watching NASCAR at the moment. Is it similar, exactly the same. I think Welcome to Wrexham is unique because I've got a story.
It's a different, it's a different format and I and I really like it. So if you're looking for a bit of a freshen up on the sports docko, Welcome to Wrexham recommend it. Well, it's got AI mean there's two stories in one. So you've got the usual sports story like you get in Formula One, NASCAR, whatever it is of a club or a team or a driver striving to get through the leagues and all every week on eight week, what goes on?
Then you've got this secondary kind of of these Hollywood owners creating tourism for the town, creating the club and what they're going through and the struggles and everything else of actually owning a football team. So it's amazing. It's a great documentary. And and the other part of that is the news this week that they are now going to come down here in the in the offseason or pre season or they.
Are so they're going to play Melbourne Victory, Sydney FC and then Wellington, Wellington Phoenix. I'm Do you watch a league? No, no, I'm not sure who does the A league. We we don't have, we shouldn't say that soccer soccer's the biggest, one of the biggest, if not they big, biggest participation ports still here in Australia. I know my daughter plays soccer. I played soccer growing up. I love the sport. The A league has an identity problem and I don't, we don't
have time to unpack it today. Yeah, I will just quickly say this. It's not in the the NBL can be seen as a feeder league. You can launch from the NBL and go on to greater things. The next Stars generation programme that I've set up is really, really smart, really astute. The A League has an identity problem in that if you're any good, a lot of football, as young football's coming through, if you're any good, you're off to an Academy system by the time you're 16, right overseas
somewhere. And then if you become any good later on in life, you then go or, or you age out of those elite leagues over in Europe. Yeah. Now there's so much money in the Middle East and Asia that why would you come back here and play it's. I just think the A League has a as an identity problem as to what they represent as a league. They they have the same problem majority of European based sports, professional sports have here in Australia. So think of cycling.
Let's bring it back a little bit to insurance. Yeah, cycling has the same issue. If you're going to make it in cycling, you're in Europe. So even as a young, you know, a younger guy, yeah, you come through the ranks in Australia, but as soon as you're good enough, you'll be signed to some feeder team, some team in Europe. You want to race in Europe, you want to get experience in Europe.
And even triathlon at an Olympic level, that's happened to that because all the Olympic Games stuff is driven out of Europe. If you're going to make it, you've got to be in Europe. And what that does is it when you want your offseason, you're generally back here in Australia, and I think that's the same thing. With Peter Benita talked a bit about this on some of the marathon EPS we've been doing about the fact that she was basically living over in Europe
for most of her career. Yeah, I mean, and it's, it's a long haul to think I've got to come back and forth, you know, if you're in Asia, no stress. Yeah. And then and then certain comps are in America too, but Europe's pretty it's. Great news that Rex's been coming to town, though. Yep. And would you go? Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, it was. So we just said we don't watch a league, No, don't watch soccer. But I want to go to, I want to go to this too. It's a show.
To drag it back to running. Yep. It's the experience, yeah, it's the event. It's the notion that if you said to a lot of people, hey go run 21K, it's like no get stuff. Would you buy merch to go just to feel like you're part of it? Yep. Yep. But the as as I get older and I'm not that old, but as I get older, I'm starting to, I'm, I've hit a point in my life where I can see where like if you're going to do something, just go in on it.
Like if, what's the point in dipping your toe half into something? And that doesn't mean you know you have to become an obsessive about everything you do. But if you're going to go to one of these games, why wouldn't you pie a bit? Why wouldn't you throw yourself in blind? Like just all in, In for a penny, in for a pound. Yep. I reckon these are going to be hot tickets so you'd probably want to get in early. If not, that's if they're on sale. They're probably gone.
Red Bull sponsoring anybody? They get, they do have a few soccer teams and I think they got Wrexham, yeah. So I'm. Talking about getting sold and talking about getting. Let's get back to a bit more running. Timothy McDonald sent us a message. Say that to. You know, we've all we've talked about Strava premium and you're not having it. Didn't realise this. He he said suggestion just get Strava premium friends and
family plan. You can get four people for 12 month plan for a dollar $1.50 a 150 bucks. I had no idea this was even an offering. Either did I. Strava do a premium friends and family plan. Probably should have done a spot check on this but I'll miss you. Like Tim, I trust you. And that makes me think now, Liam, like why wouldn't you just go in with four mates and split? The costs, So what? And you're paying 40 bucks a year.
Oh on 50 bucks? Subscribers on a family plan pay $140.00 a year plus applicable taxes. Da da da da da. So it says only a family plan, not family and friends. I mean, they're not gonna know who your friends are, are they? Updated subscription prices. Subscribers on a family plan for Australia pay $170 a year. Now what that involves I'm not sure, but that's interesting. I didn't I didn't know there was a family plan for a start. But if that covers 4 of you, Yep, then yeah, that's.
Really hot, hot tip on that one from from Tim. I maintain I'm I'm doubling down on that Strava prediction I made about usability for non premium users by the end of the year. I think it's going to accelerate. I think by September, by the time we hit peak running season, it's going to be tough to use Strava unless you're on premium. I mean, I'm thinking of a birthday present for you, Liam, already. And I've got it. And it's like it's a give me, but I'm not.
You're gonna put me on. But I'm also thinking, yeah, yeah, yeah. To make it real cheap. I was gonna buy you one, but now I know this. Yeah. Nice. Hey, good mate. Ryan Kelso. Ryan the king of Armada? Yep. Sending in, just keeping on the Strava stuff here at the moment. And the boys, imagine if Strava had an occupation section. So instead of competing, competing against you know when you do your segments or you're looking, it'll break it down by
age, sex and all of that. Give you idea occupation in there. So you got to stack up against your fellow colleagues. We did a run this morning with another local run club in town, all chasing the crown on a little 1.2 K segment. Currently a local builder in town has it and there were another 2 this morning chasing him down. It was absolutely hilarious. The banner between the fastest builders in town. This is good. This is good.
I don't know if it's I don't know if the job specific thing. I don't know that hasn't clicked too much in my brain. But what it Ryan's just sparked another idea that I think Strava and I don't know again, I don't have premium. You might already be able to do this, but I think if you're the, if you've got the crown for a section, you should be able to record a little Bose video. You should be able to you should. You should be able to record.
Or a GIF where you just got your finger off that one. You're #1 how? Could would that be, if you could just add that little level of playability interactivity with the Strava like it would be, wouldn't that motivate you a little bit more if you there was a video on a segment out in the Lorraine trails of somebody you probably know going come at me, Courtney. Well, come at me. Depends, mate. That could all really piss some people off as well. Can you imagine those Annoying.
Yeah, that's good. Yeah. For those for those who were. Competitive. Yeah, I get it. Could be a bit of fun. Yeah, and if you're not competitive, guess what, You're probably not challenging for the crowns on Strava. Well, here's a question. What can you off putting you on the spot? Yeah. Is it one thing Strava doesn't do that you'd like to see it to do when you're running, when you finish your run? I don't want to talk about premium and all of that, but like, what? What else would we?
Want to know does Strava? And again this might be available on premium, I don't know. Can you change the voice? Because I think at the moment you can only have male or female. What? Voice. Well, when you run, if you don't run off your phone, watch rather. Yeah, the Strava will give you announcements on as you're running. Really. Yeah, you must. That must be a turn on switch. Yeah, I well, I've never heard.
It I'd love the well, I'd love the Strava's voice to be updated a little bit, just a little bit more conversational. I'll give you a Siri options a few different versions. I mean, this is, this goes to show where my injury's at at the moment and the fact that I haven't been using Strava a lot. What is it? Is there anything that it doesn't do that you'd like it to use? Like as a as someone who's performing at a higher level? You can do this because I do run with my.
I do use like, for example, actually this morning I just used, I didn't run long enough to warrant putting a watch on. So I just held my phone and use my phone. And I know you can do this. You can turn your Apple screen so it doesn't turn off. But I'd like to function in Strava. And again, they may be there and I haven't looked into it enough, but so that when I'm on Strava, my phone screen doesn't turn off.
So if I'm looking at like I want to run for a minute, yeah, it doesn't switch off to a blank screen and I've got to reactivate it again. Yeah, it's good, I think. Strava, That's a. Function I, I genuinely think Strava, the next 6 to 12 months will be almost unrecognisable from what it is now. I just think the acquisition of Runner and and however many other things that are going on in the background of Strava at the moment.
I I think we are in a phase. We're about to see a real evolution of what is a relatively straightforward basic app. When you think about it, it records data. What is for is brilliant. Yeah, and it. Motivates people, it keeps you accountable. There's so many good things about it yeah I'm I'm with you. I just hope it doesn't go too so. Here's a thought. Would it go recommended runners? Would it start recommending people for you to follow or would it do that?
No, it does that OK. There we go, see it. Does that. I knew that. No. Oh shit I do. Should I say this in the back end? I know because so there's. I just got recommended Lindsay Laurie. Oh, did you? Yeah, you're mate. Linds Lindsay is actually gonna do the sweeping for us at Red Bull Racer Son this year. Oh. Nice, I'll give him a follow. Handy, handy, no. But going back to that around the back end of it, so you'll see different things pop up on
what do you call it? Like on the logo where you see your icon, you'll see some people have different kind of coloured little arrows, some have two arrows, some have some kind of funky star. So that all means something within the back end to certain people, right? So if you're an elite athlete, like if you're a professional, like a true professional runner, you can ride into Strava and go, hey, I'm got a bit of kudos on myself. I'm pretty good and this is my ranking, you know, can I get
some? Get a free pro account and then they give you the little 2O have. You got one. I don't know what I'm running. The reason I'm telling the story is before I got into anything like that, we were doing some stuff with Strava through businesses and I got this funky little star, which was I'm not a pro runner, but you're like, I suppose a runner of note. So the more influence Y type or people they work with and and
force it out. They've got this little, I suppose it's like an official icon to say this is actually that real person. So imagine if you went into Jelly Roll and searched him. He'll have this funky little star. So not an arrow. And that's just to say, hey, this is. This is actually, yeah. It's kind of like he's got. He's got a verified tick. He's a. Verified tick. Yeah, you've got. What have I got? You've got, well, you've got the two arrows, the, what are they called, chevrons.
I think I think that. The double arrow still. Counting me as a pro. You've got more Strava followers in Jelly Roll, just FY. Oh, do I? Yeah, you've got just Strava 15,000. Jelly Roll's only at 12 1/2 so. You reckon you come on the road, Hold on, hold on, hold on. So hold on. Are you sure that's not his club? No. No, no, that's Jelly Roll, which goes to show he hasn't necessarily converted that many people over from his. But how many Instagram followers
you got? Oh. God, I don't know, 18 or something probably similar. Right, Jelly Roll's got 4.3 million. Yeah, so he's got me. I gotcha. But with with the these arrows in that for if no one's ever thought about it. And you know what? It's completely irrelevant too. But if you have premium, I'm pretty sure it might give you 1 arrow pro runners, 2 arrows and then the star are like literally hey this person's real, we verified. Them. Yeah, Nice. We got some loose ends.
Oh, you know, have we actually even got in the run sheet about her running 'cause we have. Why don't you get onto your running? And you wanna get into our running now I. Wanna get into your? Running. Let's get into some running then I would like to. Well, I think, I mean, I hope you're ready for this. I think we need to cancel the podcast. Why? It's gotten out of hand. All right, This has all gotten a bit out of hand. OK, I, I spoke to you about this
the other day. I, I've now got people following me on Strava and I'm not running and my running's not that interesting. So the podcast that's strike one. OK, Strike 2 is I got an email from the Gold Coast Marathon the other day asking if I'd like to participate in a photo shoot for runners for the Gold Coast Marathon. That's strike two. Did you say yes? Yeah, I did. Oh, good. But I have you got your phone handy. Yeah, I do. All right, I'm going to send you a photo.
And this, this is strike three. This is for me, this is a sign that this whole running business and this podcast, it's gotten out of hand. It's gotten silly. I've sent you a photo. Is that have you got two people working on you? That is me at the physio the other day with two people. Special treatment. I joked about it on the Wednesday Gold Coast Marathon, it with Benita and Bronte that I felt like a pro athlete having a physio, my physio and my coach discussing me as an athlete on
email. I turned up for my physio appointment the other day and Liam Ryan from Gold Coast Physio in Burley was working on the problematic calf. And all of a sudden the other calf started getting about what's going on here. And Brits walked in and I thought she was having a bit of a laugh, like I thought she was, you know. And then she stayed there.
And so for 10 minutes at the physio during the week the other day I had two highly qualified experts working on my crappy, can't run under 3 hours 20 in a marathon legs. And I thought this is embarrassing, this has gotten out of hand. And then Trent, the masseuse there took a photo of it. I I think we would have wrapped this up. We'll put that photo up. They're rolling out the red carpet for you mate, That's all I hear. Do they charge a double? I didn't. You didn't check.
The laugh, laugh, the last laugh might be on you. Genuinely, Trent, Britt, Leo. Just just just just rewind back to the photo. Shoot, yeah. What? This is good? This is good Gold Coast Marathon? What is it like a calendar? Is it like men and women at the Gold Coast Marathon? Or I got an email from I'll find it, it's from Dylan and Dylan is in charge of marketing and some other things. But I'm just trying to find his email. But there's a fella I'm a.
Little bit upset. I'm I'm a little bit upset. What that you didn't get the email? Well, obviously. Well, you're not running mate. All right, I'm. Not running so I still. Think you're running? The photographer's name is and I'll look him up, I think. Now it hasn't happened yet, so there's every chance now that I've talked about it, I'll get the arse. But Paul Harris is his name and he does these. Dylan sent me a link to the style that he does these kind of marathon profile photos.
When you said when you said style and profile like it's not like one of those nude it's. Not like the old black and white. Nude. Did you ever appear in one of those? You ever been photo nude? Not that I can think, honestly. We wouldn't get away with all that stuff these days, would you? Oh no. No, no, I don't mean it in that sense. I mean in the idea. Of fire, firemen's, firemen, and firewoman's. So this is.
Calendar that you're appearing kind of like it's the calendar of. Gold Coast, I reckon it was in 2000. They had the black and white Olympic edition, the photography magazine, where it was like Lauren Jackson was in it, Tatiana Gregorieva was in it. I reckon I wasn't. Clem was in it. They're all big names, OK, So they don't come down to the B grade sports. Paul as a photographer and go check him out. Paul Harris, photographer.com. It's some cool stuff, but he's got these.
He's got a a series called In the Long Run, OK, and it's specifically about runners. And so if you look through it, Benita's in there, Rob D Costello's in there, Steve Moneghetti's in there. They're. Quite cool, yeah? And Dylan, I got the email from the Golden Marathon saying, hey, would you be interested? Ando's in there. Yeah, Ando from Wild Earth. Shout out Ando. Yeah, so like, they're really cool photos and I was looking through them and I was like,
hold on, what am I doing? They're gonna make you look good. Well, it looks I hope so. But now anyway. So my point is, I think this has been fun, but I think it's probably time we've wrap this up because this is getting silly now. I I don't need to be having photo shoots or having multiple professionals. So did the double car from Are you running? That's more. I'm running. I ran 6 as of today day of recording. I ran 6 1/2 KS yesterday on the
treadmill. Oh. Treadmill. Yeah, well, because the Bonita's, the training programme she set for me as I build start to rebuild volume in is it's a treadmill or it's not a treadmill run, but it's a run into some more endurance stuff on some more cross training. I've complained on here before about stationary bike riding, mate. The elliptical, that sucks more. Yeah, Yeah, that's horrible. Oh, so you you're not, you're not treadmilling, you're elliptical. No, no, no.
I treadmilled into elliptical. OK, so I ran. I was allowed to run for 35 minutes on the treadmill into 30 to 40 minutes cross training bike or elliptical. And I'm like, I've never been on an elliptical before. That's horrible. That's a weird feeling. I didn't like that at all. Yeah, I'd much rather. So today I went back to the bike. I've never done elliptical so. Done. Very weird. I couldn't actually. I like. Treadmill. I actually love treadmill. Yeah, the same reason.
The same reason I like doing the stationary bike stuff when it's about just getting the work done. Yeah, I hate just sitting there for the sake of it. I'd much rather be outside. But the treadmill, you can get some really good sessions done on that. So I did 6 KS at 510 pace with a bit of a warm up and then a slow down obviously. But yeah, and calf feels fine. Calf feels good. The double massage from from Britt and Liam worked the treat. It was funny though, they
started getting competitive. Like as soon as Britt started working on my right calf, Liam started pushing harder on my left guard and I was like, what are you doing? So very competitive in the physio world but. You're doing strength work. Strength work. So the strength training is at the gym on days at the moment. I'm not running back to back days. OK. It's days off in between, but the strength training, the heavy stuff at the gym is on the Smith
machine. For those that don't know, it's kind of the automated thing that you see people doing squats and all that sort of stuff. Squat, but it's not free weights. I am doing a forward lunge front like pushing up on that Smith machine with the back leg and then I'm doing some kind of plyometric. Is it plyometric holds the pushing hard basically I'm locking that Smith machine into place so that I can push against
it as hard as I want. It won't move to kind of tensing that muscle isometric isometric that might be the word isometric holds and then on basically every day at home is car phrases single knee, straight leg, bent knee just that that that that. Isn't it, they'll just jump on those names, isn't it, because we might have got them wrong as well? Isn't it funny? Like all the terminology, like in every industry's got it. But all the terminology that, you know, the people in the know, Yeah.
You just, you're, you're taking on that information just as this is what I do. Yeah. Like I can't really explain it. And I think it's interesting because like if you, you know, we talk to a physio or someone else, like I love it when they when the information comes in our terms. Yeah. It's like, So what is it? Oh, you know, when you it's just, it's a stationary hold. Yeah. I don't really care what what the name of it is. I just need to know how to do it.
It may be why I'm doing it. Often I like to know why to a degree, but some people might just. Want to do it? Well, I'm the opposite. I'm just like, well, just tell me what I need to do. I don't need to understand it. So basically the running is slowly coming back. Although I tell you what, after six, after 35 minutes of running on the treadmill, I kind of went, oh boy, a marathon seems really hard right now. It seemed tough. It is a long way for 35 minutes.
How's your injury going? How's your return to running? All going well, I mean, very mine. Up to 9 weeks now. He said nine weeks. No, but I'm running. You're running. I ran this morning. What'd you run? I ran for 15 minutes and I did one minute jog, but I was actually moving and pretty OK one minute and then 30 seconds walk for 15 minutes, right? The first two days ago I started with 30 seconds jog, 30 seconds walk and that was awful.
My knee in all, all things my knees because I haven't done a lot of like I haven't done much weight bearing stuff and I've done a bit of activation stuff to get me ready to do this. Yeah, but my knees, well, it was my it was awful. Today felt like a new person. So like it, the muscles, just everything. I mean, I would do also do some single leg squats and a few things to kind of like my knees
are hurting. I better get them sorted pretty quick, but what I was doing when I was running like 15 minutes running seems nothing cry but that 30 seconds break only felt started to feel like I was actually getting, you know, the heart rate up a little bit and that and I think I got excited. Oh. What pace do you reckon? I went for 15 minutes doing walk jogs. So you're running for a minute at a time. A minute, minute on, 30 seconds, 30 seconds off.
Well, I mean, I hope I I would have guessed before you told me you got excited that you were running at about 4:30 pace. I mean, but for the whole thing, including the walks, what do you mean 430? You're not gonna get through walking. Hold four 30s doing 1 minutes and then 30 seconds. No, in my head you're running those 1 minutes at 4:30. I don't know. I just saw her at the end of 15 minutes. I'd averaged five 20s and I'm like, oops. That's way too fast, yeah. Yeah, that, that's what I
thought. Way too fast. Yeah. I thought you'd be like running the runs at 4:30 and then walking the walks at like 12 minutes, I felt. Not like that on Monday, but I don't know what happened today, but I've got to, I've got to settle down. That's. Way too fast even I know that. But you know what, I'll, I'll say I won't get in to go back through everything that's happened in, in what we're doing, but I'm only going to be running every second day for the foreseeable future with cross
training. We're going to get really conservative on the the progression on that. However, I just want to reiterate with everyone because I did this with my calves in my recent kind of last year as well. Walk jogging for those when you're coming back and you think it's a cop out. I would never do it doesn't even even if I just had a month off because I went on a, a boat for a month and I couldn't run on a holiday, I'd come back and I would start with walk running.
I sorry, walk jogging. I back in when I'd get injured or have niggles or whatever. Back in triathlon days. I would never, ever go through this phase. Only if you were like super injured, but I think anyone coming back from a time off or even if you just haven't been running a lot or if. You're about to start or. Starting this is as far as I'm concerned, it's the only way and I've learnt this in the last few years. Why? Why is it?
Why is it such a good way to return to running, get into running, return to running from an injury or a layoff? Multiple, multiple reasons. Well, the key one is by doing the the walk between it, you're just giving yourself that little bit of rest. So you're playing on the
conservative side. But also what it also allows you to do is say this morning, the minute by minute, it gives you a real clear indication of when you're getting tired or when you're starting to overdo it or that muscles getting tired or your knees or whatever else it is when you're just running. Like the other way I could do it is go, let's just run 10 minutes this morning and do it continuous. The problem with that is your form falls apart.
If you haven't been running and you're not used to it and my knees are starting to hurt, your form's going to start to fall apart. You're probably going to run less. But by the end of that, you probably may be doing more detrimental, like it's more detrimental to you actually getting back because your hips
drop. Everything goes, you're getting tight when you just take that little bit of a walk between everything as a you just perk up again and you can go and go and go. And then you know, and I know once we get into this further and further, once I start building that out, that that walk jog, like even when I get back to running normally, if I was to even be able to go out and run 90 minutes, I reckon I'll still throw in a minute walk every 20 minutes or so. Wow, that idea of I had.
And that's just my that's just me learning on coming back from a few of these things over the year. I will in my long runs still put a bit of a walk in the initial phases when I get back, even running up to like 607090 minutes. That's really interesting because I mean, we've heard bananas preached it and I've heard so many people talk about walk running and you talk about taking people's terminology like physios, isometric, plyometric
stuff. I have, I have when I've talked to people in the office who said who, I've said, oh, why don't you come for a run? They're like, Oh no, I can't run. I couldn't run 5K when I'm like, don't have to like start. I've told people to start with a walk run only because in my mind the only rationale was because it's easier. Yeah, but I haven't thought about. Well, it allows you to maintain
proper running form. Yeah, and, and it seems like a cop out, like you just want to get back to running. Like I would always load up and progress. So I might go 10 minutes one day, 20 minutes the next day, have a day off, 20 minutes, thirty minutes, have a day off. But I would always do it in I've got to run. And this this in the last few years is coming back from a few things. This walk jog or walk run idea is a game changer for me. Absolutely game changer.
There might be a lot of people out there have gone about that anyway, but I'm sure there's a few like me who in the past are just gone, always putting, you know, always doing the maximum, trying to go well, I want to run more. I want to run more. Here's a comparison for the musicians listening. OK, it's a lot learning scales before playing the full song. Yep, like playing it.
That's why I guess when you've when I used to learn piano, you'd sit down and go, awesome, I want to learn that song. You'd teach go. No, you're going to learn scales. Oh, well, I have to learn scales so you can play a song. Yep. But can't you just teach me the song? No, I've got to teach the scales first. Yeah. Yeah. There you go. Brilliant, you know. What I reckon that is a good time to wrap up because we're both running, everything's good. We're back.
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