In the beginning, episode 25, and let me start this one out by saying shout out to anybody listening in southeast Queensland because what's been going on the last couple of days is it's something I've never experienced before, a tropical cyclone. Not just the thunderstorm, not just, you know, heavy rain. This is a cyclone. So shout out to anybody and and just be sensible. There's no need to push your running in these sort of conditions, right? It's not, you know, yeah, let's
just be reasonable about this. How are you, Cortana? I'm good, fresh from a run this morning, feeling good. Everything's happening. I've got. But the exciting news this week is I've been holding off on this. Holding off on this Red Bull Racer Sun 2025 edition. We're on, it's on, we're on, and applications are opening today. Oh. Really. So Saturday, March the 8th, our locations will be open. So we'll put it on the socials, but it's also at Red Bull's website.
You can get in there and and get it. Can we do a bit of a go on? Let me ask some questions. I've never competed in Red Bull Race The Sun, yeah. Well, most people have only seen it from afar. This is this is literally your brainchild. This came out your brain. Talk to us a little bit the how this race started and how you came up with it. Yeah, so when we were always challenged at Red Bull to come up with unique ideas, I got a little bit of inspiration.
I went live from the speed project over in the US, but I always wanted to do stuff around, you know, trail and also show my backyard. So SE Queensland, northern NSW the best. We've got some of the most beautiful places here. And and the hinterland as well largely under celebrated as far as tourism goes. Yeah, but even further out, like Scenic Rim, you know, places like if you ever heard of wooden bong? No. No wooden bong funny enough.
I'm going to go in Tangier. Wooden bong, funny enough, is called the Yeti capital of Australia. Are you saying wooden bong? Wooden bong. Wooden as in the material bong is in what they might use down in Nimbin. Yes, wooden bong. Wooden bong. OK, OK. Cool. And it's the what?
Capital, the Yeti capital of Australia as in so when I first went out so vulnerable snowmen yeah type stuff yes mythical creatures, mythical white creatures right OK the reason it is is apparently in this area they're they're spotted. Right. Yeah, and they own it, this town. So this is probably where are they? They're on their way out to Legume. Yeah, the place anyway.
Going out to where? Where this course goes out towards Tannerfield. As you're running down the road there, there's a sign, Yeti's Cross here and they've actually painted the A. Symbol of the Yeti and So what? Anyway, that's that's a really. OK, that is you did take us down a a side issue there. Yep, you've you've stolen the you've. Stolen the indication of where we're running. Stolen the idea from the Speed project? Rather, you've been inspired.
No, Inspired. And you've wanted to show off your backyard? Yep. So how far is it? So we've got 345 kilometres. That's a long way. That is a long way. It's a team race, so the teams are 6. So it's a relay race. It's a relay run in that minimum of two females in each each each team as well. So that's part of the race. Now we start at Surfers Paradise Beach. I've seen, I've seen the star. The star Sun starts under the famous sign. Mm hmm. Coming to the Gold Coast.
Goes, you know, out through the inland, out through the Scenic Rim and ends up in Tenterfield, which is just over the border into NSW. And the goal of this, So the whole IP of it and the whole idea of why I wanted to make something, you know, specific but also unique to what we do is you're racing the sun. So we start at sunrise sharp on surface Paradise Beach. Yeah.
And the, the whole challenge for the teams is to get to Tanner Field. So we finish at Bad Manners Cafe, this little, Yeah, boutique cafe in Tanner Field. You've got to beat the sun. That's so cool. 24 hours last year we had I think. So it's not, it's not beating sunset that day, it's beating sunrise the. Next. No, we're talking about 24
hours. So you're gonna find a lot about yourself in this, the teams, you know, we, we, the whole idea is to get clubs, communities, brands, people who already run together, bring a team. So it's applications and then we choose a limited number of teams just because of the nature of, you know, it's quite unsensioned race and we're on public roads and a whole range of things. Before we get to the how does it
work? You say it's a relay, so is it a rotating thing where the teams you run once and you're done or you're running multiple times? How's it working? You, it's up to the teams. It's so you. Structure it yourself. There's. No game plan? Yeah. How can you get as a team of six from surface out to tenor field as quick as possible? Have you done the maths? 345 KS in 24 hours. What pace? It works out to be about an average of 420 now.
Last year the teams came in a little bit quicker than that. So they look, you're calling me out of my memory. Here. No, no, no. But what sort of elevation are they climbing through this So 3. 145 KS, 6700 metres plus of elevation, so there's some big climbs in there. Rd Trail, country, 4 wheel drive tracks. It's got a bit of everything in there. Here's here's I suppose last year we had five teams beat the Sun. Out of how many? So we had 13 teams start last year. Yep, and 11 finished.
What happened though, is these five teams and everyone's like, you know, you must be stoked they beat the sun and I'm like, no, I didn't. The course is designed so I'd be happy if someone beat the sun by one minute one team, but it's a challenge, right? So they everyone was better than what I expected. So you actually, you designed this race wanting people to fail. Yes, it's reminiscent and people might not know about this. By the way, I've just done the maths. 345 KS in 24 hours is 410
pace. OK, that is absolutely flying. No. So these teams are quicker than that last year. Especially it is flying, especially when you consider there's up here, there's 6000 metres of elevation. 6700, yeah, so there's. Some big climbs. Some big climbs in there. How are? But how are they anyway so? You, you know the Gold Coast. Yeah. Beechmont. Yes. That is. You gotta go up that. Well, that's just the start. And how are you maintaining 410
pace? It was, it was really impressive to watch last year and look, people are probably sitting listening to this going, you know, all the elite runners from Australia. The team that won was part of the unofficial run club down in Sydney. Now I wouldn't, if you looked at their team, by no means were, you know, would I consider them all elite marathon runners or elite runners. They outran the Gold Coast team, which had some really, really fast 10K runners in.
Yeah, right. They both attacked it very differently. So the unofficial team who ended up crossing first, they did that at some stages. They were doing just like K reps. Right, so you. Think of running in the middle of the night and they're just burning out. K Rep, K Rep K Rep K Rep Gold Coast and a few other teams which probably were more stacked on their runners. Relied on the better runners to run longer. You're not even relied on them, but just it's more natural to
run longer, longer stretches. And then even like I saw a few of the runners were warming down from their run. So they were actually running extra on top of what they were running just because they're used to cooling the body down and everything. So it was a really interesting mix. Now here's here's the kicker I've had to change. We haven't changed the course, but I have changed some of the the nature of how this race will
pan out for two reasons. One, I want to make sure, you know, it's not too easy, but two, it's a safety thing. So instead of the way it's run, in the past we've had one section of trail which two runners from the team have had to run together, together point to point, which is 20. It's a bit. They're over two hours out there doing that. There are going to be multiple legs this year that are going to be have to be run like where you've got to run a certain distance, for example, like up a
hill. Yep, you might have to run 7K up the hill with 1 runner. What that does for us is in a minute like it's trying to run this challenge is we don't have on small, smaller, you know, mountainous roads, people chopping off and changing and all of that makes it a lot safer. But it also what it does is it makes it a bit more even through the team that everyone. My goal is to have majority of that team of six have to do at least one long run in that 24 hours as.
Well, again, if you divide the the total distance by the number of participants, 6 people per team, you're looking to have somebody run anywhere from 50 to 60 K Yeah, over course the event. So we'll share, we'll share some of the, the, you know what, some of the stuff from last year, like we had people after 24 hours last year, we've got this clip of this guy sprinting down the road in Tenafield doing probably a 240 pace. Trying to beat we had a.
Sprint finish for 2nd and 3rd. It's crazy after 24 hours what happens. We're really, I'm really keen to, you know, see what type of teams we get apply this year because I, I do know more people know about it. Yeah. So please, if you're interested, apply. If you got questions, reach out. And then when, when this is all over, everyone, first thing you do is want to sleep. So when you get to tend to go to
sleep. And then we for those who come, we put on a, you know, we put on food and drinks for an after party for them at night and, and celebrate everyone's success as well. We'll put the details of how to apply, as you say, in the show notes. But yeah, have a look, get around it.
It's a very, if you've designed a unique event here in Australia, quickly, what it came to mind then hearing you talk about it. And it's appropriate that you're sitting here today in a in a Plaid shirt, you know, looking a little bit rustic because. Well, have you watched the Berkeley marathons? I have, yeah. Yeah, that's that's you've got a similar race director attitude to the bloke that runs that, which is that it's designed to be hard. It's not designed to have people
finish. It's designed to test people and yeah. This isn't the bar. This isn't the bar. I don't know, but that that mentality of, yeah, it's meant to be a challenge. There's a really interesting perspective on designing a race to take that. I don't want to call it a morbid mentality, but to take that, I know I don't want lots of people finishing this. I want people to walk away having failed and being inspired by the failure. You know the old adage of you win or you learn.
I imagine there were people that raced last year that didn't beat the Sun who would have learnt some lessons about how they paced it, how they broke up the race between their team mates, how they trained it all the. Wrestling, I mean, the feedback we get after it is, you know, when you're delirious at night and. Going through this 24. Hours and it's different to you know, I'm assuming I'll have some trail runners here who do hundreds and miles going. I do AII run over 24 hours myself.
It's easy. The difference here is you're sprinting and then recovering. So it, it's a different style of running that takes a like, if you imagine you've just done a 5K hard at 2:00 AM at night and then you sit in a van. What, what's the first thing you want to do is you just want to relax and sleep, But then someone taps you on the shoulder. Get back, get back out the door. You're going again. We need you to run up this hill. And this goes right through to the morning.
The other thing is what I did learn last year is, yes, I set people up to fail and they didn't, but I'm glad they didn't because those teams who beat the Sun, it didn't matter. It didn't come down to like who won the event. There was this more mentality that I didn't envisage, that it was just about beating the Sun. So each team had their own challenge to beat the Sun. So yeah, there was a race within a race, but, but not really, not really.
I think the teams that might beat the Sun were just stoked. They What are the teams to the team? If you don't beat the Sun, do you still finish the run or you just get in the car and drive? No, no, no, Fierce still finished. We welcome everyone in like we have last year, you know, probably half the teams were. I'd nearly call them your high rocks style athletes, like real.
It appealed to them every right through to, you know, two years ago we had Tim Vincent come along and he ran a few sections. You know, it's a big mix of all sorts and, you know, definitely a lot of fun. So we'll see where this goes. Well, maybe you could have a celebrity team this year. Courtney. Are you calling yourself a celebrity? Liam? No, I'd like to nominate a captain. OK, I'd like to nominate a captain for a race to Sun. Celebrity team. OK, slightly more recognisable
than myself. Harry Styles, One Direction, One Direction form or One Direction? I guess they're not together. And he's in form. Hey, have you seen this? Everyone would have seen this right now. Anything Harry does, when he passes, when people write stories about it. Harry Styles, the three time Grammy winner, has run the sack of the Tokyo Marathon and he's run it in a very impressive 3/24/07. So and negative split. And or.
Even even split. Even split, he has run a in a that is that 324 O 7 is about a 450 pace marathon. It is a it's great running, but the split is what is makes you know means he's got his bona fides as a runner because he's run the first half in 142 O 3 and he's run the second half in 14204. So he's literally even split the whole thing he. Hasn't gone out, just jogging. There's a there's a plan here and he's obviously been training and. That's the That's as good a
celebrity marathon as I've seen. Because it's funny. Because when I saw. This is that more like we we we're stacking up. Last week we had Jelly roll. This week we've got Harry Styles who who appeals to you more Liam as. AI find Harry's run more impressive, I'm not gonna lie. But it's interesting because I remember coming across on Instagram a, a carousel post from a while ago and it was basically all these celebrities you didn't know have run marathons and it had their times
as well. And I started kind of flipping through them going, geez, I hope I'm, I'm faster than all these celebrities. And I was flipping, flipping, flipping. And I was, I'm only I'm only three minutes quicker than Harry Styles and I have no Grammys. So I'm just saying I need to pull my finger out and get better at running or start running some hits. It turns up at Gold Coast. You've got to race on your hands, is what you're saying. No, look, I I love the result.
Hey, moving on from Harry though because I don't think we need to go down the boy band route, but High Rocks Brisbane. Yep, on the way. Was it last weekend? It was Red Bull's obviously involved with this event. I had a lot of friends and people I know go in it it. I still, I do want to do it. I really want to do it one year. It looks fun. I would love the challenge of competing in high rocks. But what did I, what did I wanted to bring up with you? Did you see the runtimes?
No, I didn't see what this being fully transparent last year because Red Bull did get involved with global sponsor of this race or of the series. I was all in. I went and checked out the Brisbane one, watched it, you know, I was following it along really closely and I did. It's not as new to me now, so I have not so much lost interest, but I've kind of not watching it as close. And last year I did want to do 1 myself. I've lost that. I'm not as I'm still in running,
I'm 100% want to run. So I haven't followed it as much. But I've got a feeling where you're going with this. You're going to tell me how quick these guys are running. Well, I will and. Girls so now they run 81K efforts. I think there might either be an issue with the recording because I've looked through a few athletes and it seems to suggest they all ran the first K in 213 which I don't think is right.
So, so the way it works in, if it was the same as last year when I went to have a look, they run out of a shoot when they do their first one. K. Right. Which I don't know whether that means they're not running a full lap. So they kind of come out halfway where they go in to do their activities like their rowing and their lifts and everything else. They pop out of a different shoot on the other side and then obviously run multiple loops back into that shoot.
So I assume that might be the the variance. Yeah, I don't think it's a full. It's certainly not a full kilometre because I'm just looking. So what about? What about the? What about the middle? Well, yeah, this is what I want to certainly Forget the first one. Forget the first one, all right. Stephen Carter won the event for the men's athletes Hyrox Men Pro Elite Field. Stephen Carter was the winner. Give me a give me a range. You think he's running his case in out of curiosity?
Oh, I'd expect them to be around 3:30. Stephen Carter's fastest kilometres of 342, his slowest kilometres of four O 2, OK, so he's keeping it nicely paced in that zone, for example. Go down some names. Go who list the names? Can you see first, second, third, 4th? Yeah, Are these and these are overall finishes, not running times. OK. Stephen Carter took it out for the Horux Men. He's in the 2529. Jess Price, Owen, second. Luke McKenzie, former Iron Man.
So Luke got third in the pro race. Yep, you're. Looking at pro in the Horux men's finishes open. He got third overall. Wow. I think so. What's, what's Luke running? Because I mean he, you know, he's. Let's have a look. I'll bring up, man, I'll bring up. Hawaii man runner in his younger days was around world junior championships, triathlon and a whole range of It's not a very handy runner. High rocks, men. I'm making sure I'm doing this correctly, says Luke McKenzie.
He won his age group and he finished third overall. Yeah, 40 to 44. Analyse. Here we go. Total running. I'm going to go to his running splits. Luke's fastest K was a 351 and his slowest K was a four O 6. Yeah. That sound about right? It sounds right. Yeah. I'm just looking at the. I'm just making sure we're not doing. I think these are age groupers, not the. Not the pros. Not the pros, could be wrong. But it's interesting to note as an example that these athletes are.
Yeah, here we go. Pro. It's a Hunter McIntyre, so he's a big US. OK, so you knew you knew I was on the wrong page? Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's good. But you alright? Well, you talk to me about Hunter's race, then. So where are you finding these run splits? So if you click on the athlete and then there's an analyse button on the far right. Oh, running fastest 329. There you go. There you go. 329 Average pace 3/28. OK. So I don't know that. Yeah.
And in the first run, you're right, is skewed. It's 153. So it's not AK. So that way, this is like triathlon in the old days where you, you know, you'd you'd finish a race and you'd go, oh, well, how'd you go? What was your average pace? Oh, I did 328. No, you. Well, the short, it was a short course. Yeah. Triathlon. Triathlon is, you know, this is triathlon all over again. You know, we used to run. I used to say, yeah, I ran a 28 and the course was never right. This is the case.
Just looking at this Hyrox thing, the average pace has got nothing to do with how quick they run. Look 329-340-3341, 340-4344, so and last 1352. So you're looking at about an average of about 3:40 to 3:45 running, right? So is that is that impressive to you within Hyrox? I don't know, it is to me like if you asked me to run 81K intervals and I don't know, hang around and do something to push ups for in between, I wouldn't be able. To run that is a pro.
Again, I don't have a good enough understanding of what the exercises in between require, but here's what'll give context for me, right. Azzy Gordon, who is the coach of one of the run groups I'm a part of here on the Gold Coast, and he is a former professional triathlete like yourself. He participated in the Pez event alongside V8 Superguard drivers Tim Slade. Sladey jumped in at the last minute because Sladey's fit. He's always fit, always fit.
They won their their age group. But Adzi, who again his fastest kilometre was a 349 and his slowest kilometre was a 414. So he is hovering around that kind of four minute pace average. So he's, I mean, that's his run, like come from a running background, right. So he's running about 10 seconds slower than the pro men, Yeah. OK, so no, it is impressive, but it's just fascinating to see that because this is a a, a competition built around hybrid
athletes, right? Well. Listen, I mean, we've probably got more runners listening to us. That's why I want to be really like open with this because we're seeing a lot of trend of high rocks. You know, if you go to your social channels at the moment, you're more than likely to see a well built male or female running down the road being filmed. Yep, hybrid athlete. Yep, high rocks athlete. Just to be even to say the I
just looked up the pro women. So Connie Stevenson looks like she's won and her I'm not going to say her average pace because we know that's wrong, but she's gone splits of 4242642424. So she's around that 425 average mark as well. Can I give you one more athlete from this event as a as a point of comparison? Because we know that on one side of the fence heading into high rocks, it's runners who also
take up a bit of gym work. On the other side, it's Crossfitters who try their hand at running. Yes, the name Titsumi. Yep, for legend. Also Olympic legend. Who don't know an Olympian, but also. Commonwealth Games gold medallist in Was she? I've got a feeling she was a Commonwealth Games. All medal lift in powerlifting. In powerlifting, I know her as the fittest woman on the planet from CrossFit. Yes, she is the she's a Hall of
Famer of CrossFit, right? She competed in the mix with James Newbury, also an Australian CrossFit champion. They're running pace or tears running. Yes. She her slowest kilometre split was a 353 and if sorry, her fastest was a 353 and her slowest was a 405. So the pointy end of this solid that is so the pointy end of this competition you're running it's it's 4 minute case Yeah for over 8K for yeah, yeah, yeah for Tia because yeah, an incredible. Out.
I wonder, I don't know enough about it. Like with the team, are you running? Doing the whole event? Obviously the weights are less in that one. Anyway, I believe so. Yeah, we don't. Need to unpack it. But very much a case of these high rocks is finding its level for the for the winners of age groups and and mixed races and all the rest of that around that 4 minute pace. Because we like, I mean, I always like throwing in the marketing side of it and you know, brands and athletes and
everything. It's interesting that you're seeing a CrossFit boom for so long and now it's like Hyrox is the new baby taking their their share of high. You're seeing the high, the cross fitters. Yeah. Turn up at Highrox. To to exactly. I imagine when Hyrox first started they would have been turning their nose up at it and now like they're joining the crowd.
Yeah, because if you want to get in on the on making money out of this thing or or growing your brand or keep you staying relevant, you got to swim with the new crowd, you got to swim with the new fish and the high rocks is where things are going so. High rocks is on. OK. We won't talk about high Rocks, no. No, no, we are running. Although I am going to try my hand at it next year quickly. This is a bit of a random 117 weeks out from the Gold Coast Marathon. Yep.
I would like you to tell me and you can talk to me or you can talk to yourself or you can talk to everybody. But where, where would you? Where do you think I should be at 17 weeks out? Because I know there's people who've signed up for the marathon and they might be doing their first, they might be doing their second, it might be their 5th. But depending on how much experience you have with it and how much experience you have with running would adjust where your mindset is at about it.
I know there are some people who are already getting ready for the Gold Coast Marathon. All right. I work with some people who are doing it for the first time and they're already on something of a plan. I also know that there are some people who've never done 1 before. This is going to be their first and in their, they've already, they're planning on doing a 12 week block. And I also know for myself that I'm going to do a 12 week block, but in a way I've already spent
probably the last 5-6 weeks. Building. My base ready for that block, yes. So I just want to get an idea from you 17 weeks out, where do you think runners should be at? Where would you like to be at? Where are you at? That sort of attitude. I mean, the answer's going to be dependent on what you want to run in the marathon. But I mean, one thing's for sure, the longer the preparation, the better, but
also mentally. So when I say longer the preparation, the better, we've we've talked a lot about mileage and building base. And if you can have consistency and build that base without really like being too focused and pointed on the marathon at that stage, when you go into the marathon prep, it's going to be a lot better. It's going to be a lot easier and you're going to, you know, you, the level you're going to be able to go to is going to
rise a lot higher. So let's get that out of the way first, but you've got to also balance that with how long, you know, if you're not a professional runner and that's your life, how long mentally can you stay in a structured
programme? So what I would say is like, yeah, I've, I've got some like you, some people I've made it work like caught up with at work who are already, you know, 2126 weeks out doing a long run that's structured to get them to the Gold Coast Marathon. And I'm like, wow, 26 weeks out. Let's. Have a year, Six months. But if, if you can manage that and mentally you're, you're happy to do that, yeah. And that's fine. And you're going to go really well off the back of that.
But I'd say, look, 12 weeks is the bare minimum. But when you arrive at 12 weeks, you want to have your, you want to be at your mileage. You want to be ready to like actually get into the, the grunt of what you'd consider marathon work. Yeah, and start to get a bit more specific to what you want to do in that marathon. See, I think I look at that and think, right, I've got 5-4 or five more weeks to really up my mileage because at the moment I'm averaging about 60 to 50 to 60 KS a week.
I'm sitting in there, which for me is is probably more than I've done consistently forever really. But I would in my head going into my 12 week block, knowing what I want to achieve. I know I probably need to get that weekly total closer to 70 probably, which is achievable for me. Mommy, at the moment, Mom, things have been busy, but I couldn't get that done. But that the one and I'm like you, it's all dependent on who you are and all the rest of them.
But the one lesson you have these things that stick in your brain over time. The one lesson that is stuck in my brain and the mistake that I have made previously because the first time I ever ran a marathon, I thought the first time I ever ran a marathon I signed up to London on about two months notice and that was a mistake.
But the second time I ran a marathon was here on the Goldie, and the mistake I made was thinking that the 12 week training block I was following would get me ready to run a marathon. That's not what the 12 week marathon training block does. The training block is there to get you to hit your target. It's not the marathon. It's not to start at 12. You can't go naughty to 12 weeks. No, no, no, no. And be there ready for race day if you're running twice a week.
10 KS a week and and 15 KS a week. And that I'm, I'm giving myself advice here, no one else. But that's what I'm saying is the longer like if you said to me, where do you want to? You asked me where do I want to be now? Yeah, I'm not as good as I want to be now because I'd want more and more.
I'd want to have more and more base behind me and have more mileage behind me. However, my goal is just to make sure I get to that round, that 12 to 16 week period, knowing that that I've prepared my body and that's the key, I suppose, prepared my body, you know, everything's balanced. I've got no niggles. And then I can get into the like a 12 to 16 week block. And that's for not just
marathoning. I mean, that would be any kind of race I'm targeting, whether it's a trail race or whatever that you can then get into that block and you can get straight into the work you need to do. So yes, it's not a start point, it's actually just the start point to be more specific. It's almost like you're rolling into it. You need to be it's like a rolling start as opposed to a gun goes off and now you start running like it's like you want to roll into that 12 weeks, 16 week and.
Whatever. I always just think of more from a mental like from you, you know, in your head as well of just being able to manage. If I'm going to be something like that, I'm really going to follow this to the later because I want to get the best result. How long can I manage that with my lifestyle or my life and my kids and my family and
everything else? And if you're going to try and do that for six months, it's going to be a lot more challenging than just going look, I need to be fit, but I'm actually able to manage. Look if I miss a bit here, If I'm balanced, that's fine. And that's you as and people have. We've gone through Courtney's journals. This is a man who can handle structure and handle routine and handle sticking to a plan for
most people. Most people may never have followed a structured plan like this before or may not have done it recently. So the idea of suddenly you have a training plan in place for a period of three months, four months, it's they're probably underestimating the mental toll. Yeah. So it's, and then if you think about, I'm not trying to say just go and run whatever.
If you have a good weekly structure that's consistent and you're just building on that and making sure you're not getting injured and they're the goals, right? Just to build consistency, build mileage, don't get injured and get yourself to whatever time out from the marathon. You decide. This is when I'm going to knuckle down. That last one is, is the key there that you said don't get injured, don't get injured. Get get to that, get to that, whatever it is, 16 weeks, 12
weeks fresh. I think that's a key. It's fresh. You don't want to be like, Oh my God, I'm already. I'm here. I'm Naked now I'm Naked. Yeah. Or like I've got that eagle in that calf and now I've got to start like it's, it's probably not going to end up good. And like we know from numbers and talking to some of the marathon organisers, the drop out rate, we know there's going to be a massive drop out rate, you know, from people who've ended a marathon and most of that is due to injury.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I like it. All right, let's move on. Speaking of marathons, we've got a we've got a fella here by the name of Ryan now. Big shout out Ryan Kelso, he's from Armadale in NSW. Love that we've got some listeners South of the Queensland NSW border. Yeah, because we've we've given the mood a Flack in the past,
but everyone. We're both tastes, we're boys, both Queensland based, but big shout out Rhino, he's sending and with huge amounts of comments coming through and messages and keep sending him and we love reading him and we'll get to them as we can. Ryan says. Boys, some feedback. Found you somehow at episode 19 and listen through to the most recent. So I love that Ron's gone back to the start. I love that he's well, no, sorry, he didn't listen through
from the start. But anyway, start at 19. Kept listening. He said. Anyway, this week I've had a massive week on the road, so I started back at episode. He did go back to the start. He did go back to the start. A lot of people are doing this, it's good to hear, he says. Today I was travelling to Port Macquarie to do a half marathon as 108K bloke. I'm upset there's no Clydesdale class. OK, so Port so Port Mac doesn't. Oh, that's a half marathon, not
a triathlon. Doesn't have a Cod sale class running. Races aren't a big fan of this. Alright, Ryan continues. Anyway, my wife was in the van and we hit the road this morning, kicking off Episode 7. We listen to seven and eight and a bit of nine on the drive at the end she mentioned how good that was. She doesn't run, she's 20 weeks pregnant so has no intentions of running but we both laughed along and chatted as we listened
along. Usually she doesn't listen to my podcasts and he lists some of the ones he listens to there. Rogan Hibernian as she likes podcasts like Hamish and Andy. Well I like to think Courtney and I are kind of Hamish and Andy ish. Anyway, Long story short, 20 week baby Mamas who don't exercise even are loving the podcast. I've I've downloaded episode 10 and 11 to my watch to listen while running Sunday. Thanks for doing what you do guys. And then he sent an update. Yeah, yeah.
So I wanted to know because he he said he was going to a marathon. I wanted to know how he went and not time. I just wanted to know how he felt like, you know, was it good or whatever. And he's come back 18 point. His goal was to run under 2 hours or run a 159 through the 18 point 5K mark. And he did that and he had a ball doing it.
And that's the key, right. But this is what I love next is so Ryan's putting on sounds like he's gonna, you know, get together and put a marathon in an Armadale next year, which is great. And he's thinking he needs to add the Clydesdale class. What he's thinking, though, is not Clydesdales. He he wants to think about because they're out West naming it after a reliable tractor brand. And he said like massive Ferguson. Have you heard of massive Ferguson? No. No. So this is I'm not.
So Ryan, this is what got me. I was like, I'm interested in the tractor brand. Massey, Massey. Massey spell check. Been a little bit of lost in translation. Yeah, a Massey Ferguson I've heard. OK, massive Ferguson. Massive Ferg. I thought it said massive. Ferg, it might have been spell check. A Massey Ferguson. But he he wants to honour the big heavy diesel. I love this. Out there while keeping to the country roots. Oh. How good?
What a great branding opportunity for for like, you know, a tractor brand or some sort of heavy duty excavation. Well, I don't know. I'm a tractor brands obviously. John Deere, that's another. Thing, John. Well, this is where I was going with this. I thought just John Deere, from what I've seen on at least YouTube Cop is copying it a little bit with the country. Yeah. I don't know what they've done, something around profits. Or OK. You know one of those things, so.
Well, Massey Ferguson. You can see it. What's their tractors look like? Oh. Good, They're good, They're good. What colour? What's their brand colour? They're red. They're all about the red. Tractors racing red, Yeah. They make good teller handlers and I don't know a thing about heavy machinery, mate, honestly, I don't know a thing about heavy machinery, but I love that
Ryan's done this. And I also, hey, right behind the and if you don't have to call it Clydesdale, but if you can get Massey Ferguson or somebody else on board, they should sponsor it. What a great initiative. We'd love to see it, love to. See it and if you need help trying to get them on board, shout out. Give us a shout. We'll. We're happy to give you a reference. Ron yes, we'll give you a reference. So thanks for that Ryan. Now mate, I've got one.
Normally this is me getting called out about not knowing my data or other things. Yeah, So you said last week we're talking about the average marathon, yes, being 425 marathon. And I think you said that would be a 540 pace. OK, just to correct you, we got this in from Remy. Remy. In the in the Spotify comments and it's more like 617 pace. So is it? Yes. And I went and checked this, So I've I've verified this. It is exactly. Well, it's what's that 5 seconds
off the average Strava pace. So when we said globally the average pace run on Strava is 6/22, Yeah, it is 5 seconds off, equating to the average marathon pace run around the world. All right. I apologise then. Thank you. Sorry. You didn't upset me, but no, no, no, we, we want to make sure we get our information. Out Thank you. Correctly. So anyone naming for that 425 marathon or around there, you've got to run a. 6.
Don't listen to Liam. 616 pace is your required pace. 616 to run a 425. You'll be an hour behind Harry Styles, but anyway. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So a few more from last week had Nick. Pemberton, Pemberton. You're terrible with names, aren't you? Nick Pemberton can. You just jump in earlier so I don't make a fool of myself. Just call him Nicky P. So we were obviously we've had these Chinese shoes we've been looking at for a few weeks since. Now you running them.
In no, OK, no, not yet for run I will. I will not yet. I have been on the trails and I think they would have been great. On the trails they wouldn't. They would be terrible on the trails. No, so he's saying nice started from a non branded shoe, so he might be on something onto something there with the Chinese stuff. What he he said a few other things, but what would be a
brand name he was interested in? Like if when we were talking about if it was a reputable brand or if it was a brand you know or trust or whatever it is, But what would I'm throwing you on the spot Helium anyone listening Also think about this. If you had to name your shoe brand right now, you've got 10 seconds to do this. Jeez, don't use chat. I'm not. I'm not going to use ChatGPT, No no no. What would you? What would you? What's What's a cracking name
for a shoe brand? No pressure, no pressure. You've done this to you've. Done this to me before, and the second part of this question, why you're thinking, he said. Who would be the influence of me? No, he'd be you, Liam. Is there a brand called Stride Stride Stride shoes? Would you wear a stride shoe? I'd wear a stride shoe. You wouldn't wear a stride shoe. Why not 2. Main shoe 2. You give me a name, then yes. It's not fun with the shoes on
the other foot, is it? I should have actually probably thought about this beforehand. So I had I had a cracking 1A cracking one to give do. You know, just while you think about it, I'm gonna this is I don't know how we arrive here, but the the inch and and play along as you're listening to this. This is another one of those things that I heard it once and it's cemented in my brain and it will never leave. But apparently the most beautiful word or two word phrase in the English language
is cellador. As in like you know how wineries have if you go to a wine tasting, you'll go into their cellador. Apparently that because of and it's got something to do with the the what the sounds of those two words do to your brain through the neural pathways that it activates makes it by some metric the most beautiful phrase in the English language. So if I can tell everyone so say it. Cellar door. Cellar door do. You know why I was quiet?
Because I wasn't. I I thought you may have been like, talking. Literally. It's a cellar door. No, no, no. It's the idea, that phrase of cellar, door, cellar. You still haven't helped me find a name for a run shoe. Well I was going to call my shoes seller doors. Seller doors. Well, that that sounds good enough anyway. Hey, thanks, Nick. If people want to suggest shoe brand names, well, I'm happy to steal them. Happy to steal them. Yeah, all right. Bit of audio, hey?
Let's go. Everyone knows if you want to increase your VO2 Max, you've got to run with your mouth covered and your nose covered and breathe only through your butt. It's called butt. The last bit cut out there. It's called butt chugging. This is Jay Frey who sent this through. Yeah, that Jay, we love this because this off the back of the nasal breathing, the nasal strips, the nasal tape we.
We've got some real advocates of nasal breathing and then we've got some real people just having some fun. With it to their own? Yep. But Jay Frey's having fun with the idea that maybe breathing through another orifice is the best way to get better. So that was the intro to it. Sure, it making a bit of fun of it, but then this is the man himself talking about it. About nasal breathing. So this is a podcast about.
Some of the benefits that we have when we breathe through our nose instead of through our mouth. And I can't tell when I watch you, you, you, you look so relaxed. Certainly for the first half of that marathon last Sunday when I was watching you, I thought. Obviously talking about the best marathon ever. Just breathing through his nose or is his mouth open? Do you do you think about this? Is this something you're you're aware of? Yes, but I.
Breathe through my mouth. You breathe through your mouth. Yes, from the start to the finish. The more the speed, the more the more disc. You cannot breathe in my nose either. At the speed you're going, no, I can't believe that. I can't believe that. But thank you for thank you for clarifying that. It's good enough for me. He's just shut it down. He's good enough for me at his speed. You he's going mouth out. He didn't sound like he's ever heard of nose breathing.
Until I see an elite field of marathoners or the final of the 10K at the Olympics with nothing but nasal strips. Yep. We have been sent the guy who broke, oh I don't know what country it was, might have been one of the Scandinavian country records the other day had a nice strip on and someone sent me that one just to kind of like. I also really agree I can't remember, I apologise I can't remember the name of the podcast I heard this on.
But I also do agree with the notion of if you put one on at best, at best, it is going to open up your Airways and increase your ability to take more blood to your oxygen to your blood. It can't hurt. That's the and that's the thing. At worst, it's not going to be detrimental. At worst, you look a bit silly, Yeah, and that's not going to make you run slower. I agree with that. I agree with that. It can't be detrimental, but each to their own right on that.
On that one, we've Rich Ross. So this is a kitchen, I suppose. A quote that I've seen before, but it was on this podcast as well. I just love it. The idea that only the disciplined ones in life are free. If you are undisciplined, you're a slave to your moods and your passions. It's good. I mean, good. You talked about my diary, my Diaries. This, this makes so much sense to me.
And like in I suppose moving forward now into my life today where I'm like, even the last few weeks, you see me shipped like I'm off one place, I'm travelling to the next place, trying to keep my running structured. It takes me back to those days of the diary where it's actually, it's so true. When you know what you're doing day to day, you've got a structure, you get up and you've got a lot of plan. That's when you've got freedom because it actually gives you time.
If you don't, if you wake up every day and kind of like haphazardly, I'll get to that later, I'll do this later, You half miss half of it and it's just, you end up just wasting time on it, probably scrolling. The and there, ladies and gentlemen, is the motivation to stick to your marathon plan when
it starts. That's why you sign up to a plan that's big, so you don't have to do like I have done previously and like some people are probably doing right now, and wake up and make a decision on what to do each day. You know what it is? It's it's like the have you heard why Barack Obama wore the same and Steve Jobs? Yep, wear the same clothes every day. Yeah, decision fatigue. That's one less thing he's got to think about each day. That's it. Do you do that? No, no, I want to look good.
No, I work in a non visual medium. I don't need to worry about what I'm wearing. No, but I do I do. I understand decision fatigue. Sometimes I get when you know, Oh my mum and dad will give me a call and ask me some questions like stop making me decide
things. It's like, it's like calendar Tetris is my decision fatigue when you've got your calendar for the week, bad at calendars and then you're trying to like build work out the blocks, but you also want to block in time so you don't have to do anything I've got. To get better at calendars. It's a challenge. OK, kidding. He's. I like this one. I like this one. With talking about Brooks, we've riled up a few people, but Stephen Miller in particular, we need to stop bagging out Brooks,
especially the ghosts. Now. We weren't bagging them out. We just said we weren't. They weren't a shoe we expected to be high up on the list of some of the. I'll say Brooks are not a cool shoe. Brooks aren't a cool shoe. I don't think Brooks are a cool shoe. I'm not saying they're a bad shoe. No saying they're not a cool shoe. So Steve, yeah, he's got Pegasus, ASICS, Nimbus. Don't even know what that one is, Hoka. But his ghosts are the favourite. Really, Liam? He said.
You should go and buy a pair. I'm no. I, I want, I want, I kind of want, you know, we've got a fair few shoes we want to try on. I've got these shoes on a list. I want to try just to understand them better. I kind of want to try them now. There you don't. No, I do. There you don't. I do. You're saying you do because Steve's put pressure on you. You don't. No, no, no. You. Look, I'm sure they're comfortable. They're just not cool. You're you're good at reading.
Can you open this link about Hoka? Oh, this is OK. So if you're not already following the Petudor advocate and you should be this is very much off the back of they said Hoka launched new ultra cushion boots for ageing props with zero knee cartilage. And this is we've talked about the foamy shoes that exist these days and we talked a bit about some shoes the other week that the new Salomons, which those trail shoes, which we both ran
through, but very foamy, right. And as a result, they're comfy is all hell. They're so comfy. They're a great shoe to run in. But do you have that foot feel? Do you have that sense of the trail and that activation of your feet if you're wearing these shoes consistently with a heap of foam in them? And but two advocates suggesting that Hoka's launching a brand new heavy foam shoes specifically for all these footballers that are now taking
up running. Yeah, because we've got. 0 Cartilage literally in their shoes. The Clydesdale class. It would be the Clydesdale shoe. Great name for it, the Hoker Clydesdale. That's what they should call it. Well. I'd consider the Hoker actually the Clydesdale shoe up until now. I mean, this week not just released a new vomera. Vomera yeah, which is what they're saying is finally their Forte into like that real over the top. Right.
I haven't seen that. I'm having a quick bit of a look at it. The Nike Vimero 18 brings maximum cushioning to Nike's new road running lineup. Holy dooly, yes. That is. I'm just having a look at a picture of the Vimero that is. That's a combination of both of the foam foams they foams they use. But yeah, they're going mat like at they're aiming at that Max cushion market that's obviously been Hokers from a lot for a long time. So yeah, everyone's playing in the space.
It's. Very comfy, I just again, don't know how much your foot's activating if you're running in that. All right, Jessica Joy. Hi, Jess. Yeah, thanks. For now, Jess is a track rider here on. Oh, you've talked to me about Jess before. Yes, and. Yeah, OK. I am. I'm fascinated by, you know, obviously. Do you think you get up for work early? Liam in Morning Radio I. Don't think I get up for work early. OK, I know I get up. My alarm goes off at 3:30 in
the. Morning. I reckon Jason would be challenging you on this, all right, I reckon as a track rider. So we're talking horse racing here, Thoroughbreds. I don't reckon she'd get up early than me necessarily. 100%. What time? They're up. They're well before Dale. I'm I'm up. When it's dark. I'm going to take a stab. 3:30 at the track No. Really. So yeah. You reckon Jess gets to work at 3:30? I don't know, I'm just scared. They they get the horses before dark and Gold Coast, you know
what time the sun gets up here. If you're going to have the horses out training at dusk and be prepared, you're going to be there bloody early. The track rider typically arrives at the track very early in the morning, often as early as around 4:00 AM. Oh, OK, I was half an hour at. Four, do you get to work at 4:00? No, I'm there at 4:30. But I anyway it takes it takes
half an hour. Sorry to call you out, Liam, but it. Takes half an hour for me that you do. She is calling you out on the Chinese carbon shoes being ugly though she loves them. Nah, that's a. The oil field effect. Nah, that's a rotten looking shoe and and you know what Jess? In your defence or in my defence, I jumped online after I ran in these things, had a look. There's much nicer looking versions of this shoe. Like there are other, there's lots of, what do they call them, colorways.
There's other colorways of this shoe, this one mixed company tree. Courtney just ordered the ugliest ones. Well, not everyone thinks they're ugly. That's the point. That's shocking point. Yeah. So I'm I'm keen for Jess to get back to us because I want to learn more about the fact that she runs as well. She runs a she does a Saturday morning long runs. Is that what she says? Yeah. So she. Does it on Saturday morning, so maybe she gets track work off that day.
But I'd love to understand like if you're you have a training writing this is like physical activity and there's obviously a lot of things involved around that. Yeah. How do you then structure day around running and and doing that as well would be really interesting. Yeah and she also you go throwback to my issue I had with the certain pair of Nike shorts looking like I'd piss myself if you start to sweat in them.
Jess has said. Late to this one but the green shorts with your sweaty shoe lamp. This is what I like to call failing the piss pant test. As a woman I like to wear bike shorts for a lot of my runs and I like colourful shorts. Some colour slash brands will stand up to the piss pant test running in them and see if your crotch sweaty is visible or not and others will not. My husband has a pair of maroon burgundy Nike shorts and they have passed the piss pant test. It can be done.
There you go. Yeah, love the podcast. Look forward to a few trips. Love it. Thank you. Thank you. Let's get on to run weeks, Liam. Alright. What have you been up to? I have to find someone to do these long runs with. I got one done last week. I managed to get a long run done. I did 17 on the Saturday. My sleep, look, this isn't going to be revolutionary, so I'm not going to turn into a real like certain run influences will. Sleep's really important.
Sleep matters. Who would have thought, actually? And out of all and out of all people, I'm assuming you're more challenged on sleep with with your your schedule. I had a really rough week last week and I wasn't getting like I was probably averaging 5 hours sleep and it's just not enough. And then I had to work an AFL game on the Friday night which meant I didn't get home till 11 after starting the day at 3:30. Southern Swans practise match.
So I started my day at 3:30. I got home that night at 11:00 PM and then I got up to go and do my run group with Adsi out of Main Beach the next morning. So I got maybe just under 5 hours sleep and I went and ran. Now I got 17 KS done right, so it was a good hit out in terms of time on fee. I felt terrible. I felt really lethargic. I felt sluggish. At no point. Normally if I'm a bit tired and I get my run going, I kind of wake up. It it never that feeling of
alertness never came. And I went home and I said to my wife, I'm like I need to go back to sleep. I'm really tired. I slept. I ended up going back to sleep for like 3 1/2 hours. I was knackered. It wasn't a nap, it was asleep. But you're you're also probably catching up on not just the one night this. Is, well, this and this idea of sleep deficit, I think there's this notion that you never, you can't actually they catch up on sleep. It's but, but the point is sleep matters, right?
If you're trying to run and you're trying to, you know, of course it does improve sleep matters well. One, it matters for running, but two, over time it it's all the recovery aspect of it as well. That's it. So no. Hey, no. Question for year round 'cause like people are getting to know you obviously through this running podcast. So when you're out of this out of the AFL games. So was the Sun Swans on the weekend? Like what how you caught like how's it work?
Are you up in a booth on the down? Box. Yeah, a little. We'll go off it down the tangent of AFL commentary for a moment. Yeah. So Suns games, Lions games. I've got a few Interstate calls in fact. Weather pending tomorrow. I'm meant to be down in Sydney doing GWS Collingwood. Oh, right, for Triple M Oh wow. So I'll be down there tomorrow, obviously.
Again, flights and weather pending yes, calling the game for Triple M yeah, basically I am up in a in a commentary box sitting alongside usually another caller, a couple of former players. And then we've got a producer sitting behind us and I whack the old binoculars in front of my eyes and yeah cool. It's it's. You don't watch the big screen. Well, you can, and I'll look at the screen for a replay, but I just find it's essentially say
what you see. And I find it's much easier for me to say what I see with binoculars on, staring at the players directly. Yeah, OK. It's narrow, narrows your field of vision. You can't see what's going on behind you. But it is my favourite part of the job is it's the thing of I hope no one from AAA management's listening to this because I'd do it for free. I. Don't say that. The fact they pay me for it's ridiculous. What do you what happens like I mean, you know, with my pronunciations.
How do you go new, like new season, new players? How do you go with names you? Practise, Courtney. Yeah, you practise? No, I remember. But how do you get the proper? How do you actually know what the correct name is? You. Rely on the clubs to do a bit of that work for you when they sign a new player. There has been instance over the years where people have the pronunciation of footballers names has been a point of conjecture around Orazio.
Fantasia is a player who played for Esnen, then he was at Port, now he's at Carlton and it's obviously it's Orazio fan. But there was a big story talking point with him, Footy World briefly, because one of the commentators, Brian Taylor, came out and said it's actually pronounced Fantasia. Or maybe Orazio said that. But his name is spelt in the English language Fantasia, right? Like the Mickey Mouse. Film.
So if you saw it, that's what. You think you'd say Fantasia now, that's also an amazing name to have and to get to say as a commentator. Arazio Fantasia, It's an amazing name to get to call. Yeah, Arazio Fantasia is less kind of. It doesn't. Roll off the tongue, fighters. Like Gout Gout and Gout Gout is a great name to call. And I'm not saying that that's what we should call him if that's not what he wants his name to be. But it's there's always a bit of
theatre about all these things. And in rugby league, it's a different kettle official together because some of these players come into the game and their name gets anglicised. And then years later, like I can't even remember what he originally was called, but Josh Papali, the big bopper, Queensland front row plays the Canberra Raiders, right?
Came into the league and it was Josh Papali, Josh Papali, Josh Papali. And then he's probably 6-7 years into his career and he corrected someone, he said actually it's pronounced Papali. Oh my God, after six years. Yeah, but and and and I'm a very much of the opinion that if someone tells you how you they would like their name pronounced, you should you should acknowledge that.
So now Josh and credit to all the NRL commentators who adjusted because now he is Josh Papoliki and there's there was there is a player for paramedical who came in and he was Junior Paolo. Yeah. Or Junior Paulo in fact, is how they used to say it's actually Junior Barlow, like it's with AB. So there's all these things and particularly with the Islanders, we don't know how to say their names correctly. So we anglicise them and adjust them. Now there's less of that in the AFL.
But to go back to the original question, new playlists. Remember how you used to learn to spell words as a kid? Yes, the old look cover right? Check list of names. You go back to that. List of names and numbers. You give me a You give me a team sheet with 22 names and numbers on it. Courtney, give me an hour, I'll be good to go. Not a job for me, Liam, no, now, definitely not a job for me. I've got because we, we, I do know we've got people who listen and are interested in AFL and
NRL, both of them. But I'm using your expertise. Two questions. One, can the Suns make the final? Because since we're gold coasters and #2 who's your dark horse for the year? Which team? Suns to make finals? Yes, Suns have got a list talented enough to make finals. Damien Hardwick's had his feet under the desk as the senior coach. Now this is he's had a full offseason now. Plus over all of our season. Their list is good enough. The coaching staff is high quality enough. They are.
It's one of the hardest Rd trips in AFL for visiting teams. They didn't lose a game at home last season at. Home. Winning away now, that's a major sticking point, major hurdle. If they can overcome that, they are good enough to play finals this year. OK, and I'll say they will. I do believe they will all. Right, we'll hold you that. Our course for the competition, yeah, I think Brisbane's gonna be. I think Brisbane gets back to the grand final. Well, that's. Not a dark.
Horse No, no, no. I'm just saying I think Brisbane is good enough to get back to the grand final, to give you a team that. Is a roughy you don't expect to he might. That might shock some. The the thing about the AFL is that it's a really even competition, except for the tail end of of North Melbourne, West Coast and Richmond, who are all struggling at the moment. There's really, you wouldn't be surprised by many teams.
But if I'm going to give you a team that I think will surprise or we'll get into finals that weren't there last year, I'll go with the Dockers. I think Fremantle, their midfield mix, the talent that they've got on their list and the direction they're heading in is the right one. So I'll give you 3 hours of roughy. OK, there you go. OK, yeah. So to get back to what I was saying quickly about relating to
running, that's my weekend. But the other take away from the week was aside from sleep being important, I need to find someone. I got, I managed to get like just short of A20K run in on Sunday and you told me this last week, find someone to run your long runs with because my motivation is waving waning on these long runs. I'm finding it really hard even if I put podcasts on music and I'm really struggling. That want to keep running. Yeah, and I, I mean, I know you now pretty well.
You get a lot out of talking to people and that. So if you could run with a group 20K, easy enough you you wouldn't even notice you're running. And what is killing me about it too is that I get on Strava afterwards and I see people have gone out running together down in Sydney or whatever, seeing mates of mine running together and I just, I know that stick me on the back of a group for 20 KS. Sweet. Happy days 25 KS Great. Yeah.
Even if I have to listen for most of that, Running solo is hard for me. I find it really, really difficult. So yeah, it's a. Social runner. I'm a social. Runner, you're a social. What about your week mate? Just running just good. Just knocking out some KS. Had a good session. We did a session at the Spit with Gold Coast Running Co this morning and it was you talked about last week. I think you were talking about you. Did you look did a double Mona Getty? Yeah, the double.
Mona Fart Lake kind of blew up. I said that's that's a lot. Yeah, well, the session we got thrown this morning was Mona Getty Fart Lake. Yeah. 2 minutes rest into a 10 minute threshold. Oh, wow. So it was a. That's a big session. That's a decent. Session So yeah, I was running pretty conservative, but we had a good group and that's, like
you said, running with people. That's one of my that's always my favourite Morning. It's great stuff, you know, there's heaps of different levels and everyone tries. Together cheat code for people out there, like if you're a solo runner, go and find somewhere to try 1 running with people. How are you feeling? I talked a bit about 17 weeks out from the Golden Marathon. How are you feeling? What 3 weeks out from three and of what are we 4 weeks out from?
Tell them in Golden Trail Kanani well. The funniest say that leave because that's my next thing I want to chat about. I've got up in front of us a course map because. I haven't brought this up. We keep talking about we're both going down to experience Kanani, the Mountain Run. So for those listening, it's a it's a trail race as part of that. There's multiple races there. I think there's a 67 K. We're jumping in the Salomon's Golden Trail Series race, which is 25 K. Oh my God, thank God.
However, unfortunately in the middle of it we're going up Mount Wellington. So at the back of Hobart there we're going up Mount Wellington. It tops out at 12150 metres. I'm seeing on the map, so oh wow. First 12 K Liam 1360 vert. How's that? How's that? How do you feel about that? That's horrible for context. For context, right? This is the first time Liam actually knows what I've got. I've I said to Liam, let's go down. We'll do a podcast after and give you all our excuses.
But. That's gonna hurt He. Didn't know what you're getting yourself into and I've booked the flights and we're doing it. So first 12 K we're doing 13160 metres of elevation. And it's on trail. I do know, I'm pretty sure the track we go up, you go over a little bit of rock and it's a little bit of, you know,
technical. So for for context, the biggest trail run vertwise I reckon I've done in the last 12 months, 18 months, No. Well, I've done UTI, but I mean recently in training for this is I've done that 17 K goat loop out at Nerang, which you get about 700 metres of elevation in across the 17 K. So I'm basically going to be doing double that in five KS less distance the. Difference though with this one is it's a proper mountain.
So when you even Blue Mountains, you know, you're running up, you're up, you're already up on the, you're already up at the elevation, right. So you're running kind of like maximum maybe 120 metre vert at a time and then down, then up, then down, then up. I think there's that one so. How's this gonna be? Different. Well, this is literally you're just gonna continue to keep running up for 1200 and except for a little couple of downhills, that's first 12 K you're is that harder?
Well, you're gonna go uphill the whole time. So you see what I'm saying? If you're like any of those races or if you're adding a rang running around, maybe you're running 3 minutes uphill Max before we then go down, you're just going to be running continuously uphill for you know, I don't know what the first, what it will take. What you're saying is I'm going to be running, I'm going to be walking continuously. You're going to have a great time. It's a beautiful.
Place. It's a beautiful place. I'm just looking at the the average times down there. It says an average runner time for that first 12 KS is going to be 4 hours. Yeah, 4 hours, Courtney. I didn't say it was gonna be easy, I said it would be a nice place, a nice place to run, to take the scenery. What are you gonna try and finish this in out of curiosity? I still haven't looked at it, how much I'd look at the the way I'd go about it because I'd look at the results.
Who won last year? Actually Tate Tate, my mate Tate Hertz won last year. So I'd look at his time and I'd be like, OK, well he was, I knew how fit he was last year. So I'd probably give myself, you know, maybe 5 minutes behind him or whatever and then work off a bit of a split like that. But I'm going just like you. It's a, it's a course.
I have an experience. So that's why I'm so excited to go and run it. I'll tell you what, the week before we do this the week because we're going to do a podcast down there as part of the event. Yeah, after the race. Yes. But the week before, we need to agree to can this be the first edition of Courtney versus Lane? Agreed. Yeah, let's have a look into the course properly. I'll work out a goal time for myself. A realistic goal time for myself. We'll work out a realistic goal time.
The good thing is too. So Pete, who's the marketing manager? Solomon Shadow? Pete. Yep. So Pete reckon he's going for about a a sub three hour. He's looking at trying to run that three hour mark at the Gold Coast Marathon tour. Oh. Nice. So you and him, me and Pete boy. There's a battle. Oh, you reckon I've got to race Pete? You're racing Pete, so not only are you going to race me on handicap, you're I've got you a head to head competition going on as well.
I'm just bringing up Pete from Salomon here. I'm just going to just going to eyeball him. So what's his surname? Can you say Pete's surname? You don't want to say Pete's surname? OK, I'll find you, Pete. I'll find you. Continue Courtney, as you were. I'm going to look up Pete from Salomon. Peter, you're looking for me. So. Some of the other, yeah, I mean, so a bit about the, I suppose the race, what I've been told.
So I was, I was had a chat to the race organiser Lincoln the other day and he's saying, 'cause I was like, well, what's, what's the course like? Give me some kind of idea of what we're gonna be facing. How do you describe it? Not so much Four Seasons in one day, but four different types of terrain in one day. So dry forest. Then you're up through what they call the organ pipes, which is all that, you know, shyly rocky terrain. You don't see that like tall, you know, you see Coaster
Tasmania there as well. You'll go up through there. Then you're up through the stone. Then you go up through the water supply station, which I have no idea what that means, but I'm sure you know, to the locals down there, they know exactly what we're talking about. But it's gonna be hard. But like I said, once you're up there, it's a beautiful place to run. I have done the uphill trail before. I'm looking forward to going and and racing it. I found Pete. I know my enemy now.
You've worked it out. Yeah. So I've already told Pete you're it's a head to head. Pete looks like he's the real deal. I'm just having a look at him. I'll tell you one thing, you know he's going to be decked out head to toe in there. You bet. We we better get you stopped up in the right the right gear. Yeah, yeah. Oh, this is going to be. No, I am. I look, I actually. So you've got two competitions, is what I'm telling. You. Yeah. I'm racing you and I'm racing.
Handicap and yeah head. I am seriously excited about this because to go over old ground, pardon the pun, but running travel is it's a booming industry. It's probably already boomed, but I love the idea. I've been to Hobart before. I've done. What have you done in the? 3 capes, 3 capes, track. I got 3 capes. We walked it with my wife. It's just sleeping. Nine years ago, saying cabins, yeah, did that. Amazing. Couldn't recommend that enough. We explored Hobart for a little
bit. We did a walk up. We didn't go all the way up to Mountain Wellington up to the very top, but we did a bit of a walk around there. My wife was actually pregnant at the time so we didn't do too much, but I haven't and I've actually, I've done some footy games at Belle Reeve in Tasi as well down in Hobart. So I've caught some footy down there but I've never explored the trails and I've talked, we talked about the idea of doing the overland trick, which goes right through the heart of
Tasmania as well. But so the idea of getting to go down there and experience it in a race format because again, race weekends of any idea, the vibe is unbeatable. It is unbeatable, the vibe you get around a race weekend. Plus, I mean, the one thing that still draws me more than the competition or anything else to trail races, and the way I still pick them is you wouldn't, unless you ran this, you're not going to get to see all that. Yeah. And you get to see this in a day.
You know, you can go hiking and you can see it over multiple days. Why not run? Why not run? You get it done faster. And then you get to go to the pub and have a beer after because it, I think we're all finished, I'm pretty sure is down near that Cascades brewery. The Cascades Brewery, amazing spot. And yeah, again, it's then then it's all the stuff that comes afterwards. Then it's the sharing of experiences and telling of
stories. And you know, we, you told us some stories from your trap from your trip to Mauritius last week. And I know you didn't race, but you had just by going over there and actually course checking, you had all these amazing stories to tell us. We're going to be down there. So the plan will be down race soon enough after the race we'll get paid on as well. So we know who won and we'll, we'll have a good debrief about the race and talk about, you know, the.
Experiences down there. Maybe that's maybe that's the deal. Whoever finishes first out of me and Pete gets to host the podcast. So Pete beats me. He's in the chair. He's in the chair. He's in the chair. No, no, we'll have everyone involved but. Yeah, that's the. Plan and then we'll go out for the night, have a dinner and we'll. Be back on the Gold Coast. Can you other thing as well? You need to help me. I want I want to get your experience and advice on how to the filming film.
Yep, because I want to be able to share because you do an amazing job. The way you film and edit your running experience is awesome. I don't want to copy you. You can copy I'm but I've got it. It's also but I also wanna heard you last week. No. 'Cause we talked a bit about the the sameness of all the running content that's coming out there. Well, what's? What's gonna be your point? I don't know name that would that would enable me to know what camera give. You Maybe it's the fact that
it's really slow. It just takes. Did you ever, did you ever watch any slow TV? This was a phenomenon that came out of Scandinavia from years ago and it was these TV channels that would just be like, it was like there's a boat trip up there that takes like 5 days and it was just a camera fixed on this boat travelling up a fjord. It's called slow TV. They did one of a train journey once. Yeah. Maybe I could do slow running? YouTube hiking?
Have you ever watched YouTube hiking where they just strap? It's like 4 hours of just watching someone hike, like listening to the noise. Not for me, but there's a lot of people who watch that now. We're going to get you sorted with the camera, that's all fine. But yeah, we're looking forward to that. It's going to be a good day and it'll be our first break out of. First adventure we're getting out of the we're getting out of the the Courtney Atkinson studio.
So I've got one more. I've got a gear, a little bit of gear this week that I saw pop up. It was shared by Jack. I I thank you, Liam. And this is I like this. So they're Sunny's and they can show all. And then this is not a new thing in Sunny's. They're starter Sunny's. But this is literally like what you know in swimming goggles where they show your pace, your heart rate and all that. They're put into a pair of Sunny's. They're called ENGO. What's that?
How would we pronounce that? Angos, or. Angos, Angos new running technology. Now I want to try these. So pretty much you put them on. It's going to show you your time, your pace, your beats per minute, looking inside your glasses. So instead of looking down at your watch the whole time. So it's like you're dash displaying your cars 100%.
So this is like for anybody that's got a dash display where that speed and everything jumps up in your windshield so you're not having to look down in the dash. This is going to give you these in sunglasses. Connects with Garmin, Apple, Sunto, Android. This is something I would like to try. I mean, they're a bit ugly, but you. Know, sure, but but the technology is what matters and I reckon they'll figure out ways to make them better looking.
And then you can sync it, sync it straight up to Strava after. But I mean, I've seen the goggles do this in the pool and I'm sure maybe there is other brands who have done this previously. This is the first time I've seen it in the running store 1 SO. That's cool. You don't normally run in Sonny's though do. You I don't, but I I I'm. You're not a Sonny's runner. I. Would if you were training, if you're doing a tempo run, for example, yeah, I think these
would be really good. Yeah. So you can just without, you know, worrying about your watch and that type of thing, you can just, you know, run down the road, keep your heart rate in check, know what pace you're at. So this is one I'm giving the This is a green tick. Gets the green tick. All right, we're gonna wrap things up. Yep, quickly. And I know as soon as somebody hears me say that they stop the
episode. But listen to the end because you all deserve we. We've tried to share as many of the much of the feedback as we get. We just try and share as many of the messages and respond to any of the questions we get, particularly the ones you like. Courtney, you're asking for a bit of advice. Thank you. Because we are. What are we, 20? This is episode 25. So we're coming up on six months on this journey and we are still enjoying it as much as when we started.
I think we've got a better idea on what we're doing every week from when we've started, but there's still so much blue sky in front of us in terms of what we want to do and things we want to start trying on the podcast. We're about to go away on the 1st little adventure for the pod, which is going to be a lot of fun. And Salomon taking us down to Konani. The Golden Trail series is going
to be awesome. So we can't wait for that, but keep getting behind this, keep sharing it with your friends, the running community. The boom is continuing to grow. Harry Styles is on board now. I'm sure he's listening to the pod. So share that, Harry. But to anybody out there, if you're listening for the first time, subscribe on Spotify. The subscriber numbers, I only just checked them the other day. They're going nuts.
Their subscriber numbers are really coming along, which is huge because that's what helps us jump up on the charts. If you leave comments, if share with friends, all that sort of stuff. We know people are listening. We know people, not just talking to ourselves. No, no, we what we thought we were in the beginning, but. Yeah, so and also just a reminder, race the Sun, Red Bull, race the Sun. If you that sounded interesting at the beginning of this, we'll share the links and get a team
together. Be quick, get. Yeah, you will. You will have to be quick to get in. So it is. It's definitely limited. Exactly. You've got to be quick to get in. You've got to be quick to run it too. Go get. Your friends? No, you don't have to be quick to run it all. All are welcome. We we want a variety. Yeah, see, we'll see you next week.