In the beginning, how are you Courtney, where are you? More importantly, Episode 19 and we are we are apart once more. Yes, we are. And that, I mean, that's the first thing to note. It never seems to run as smooth when we're apart. Oh, I mate, I love being in person to do this. You know, it's easier to bounce off each other. But I'm sitting in the middle of Tokyo at the moment in Shibuya, and I finally got out for a run after I've had seven days off because I've been up in the snow
up in the north. WH So this is this is just a family trip you're going on. Mate, purely a family holiday. So January's generally my time. I always try and take off, you know, after it kinda quieten, quietens down a bit. But you know what, The funny thing was coming to Japan this time. So let's go back. I've spent a lot of time in the T early 2000s into the mid 2000s in Japan. So I used to race for New
Balance Japan in triathlon. I think it was about probably a good five years I raced for them. So I used. To specifically Japan, like specifically New Zealand, Japan. Specifically New Balance Japan. So when I was racing in triathlon, they Japan at the time, you know, that was when the economy over here was great. They used to have all, a lot of World Cup. So those who are triathletes will know them as well.
The World Championship Series these days, Japan would host, I think about three of them every year. Had plenty of local races. And I got to the point where I was racing with this team. We'd fly up on the red, the red eye from the Gold Coast on a Friday night, arrive on Saturday, race Sunday morning and then fly back home to the Gold Coast on the Sunday night red eye. Yeah. So I can't even remember half the places I've been to. So the money, the money was
pretty good then. The money, the the Japanese yen was a lot stronger than it is right now. And then so that leads me to the second point is I, I was reading news.com and all of these things before we came over here as a family. First port of call was the snow up and we're up in a place called Sao Onsen, which is known for these snow monster things up in the trees like these big kind
of, you know, snowed in trees. We've got, we've got great snow, but I was expecting to literally walk into little Australia in the middle edge of hand because all of the news reports have been, you know, Aussies and Americans and Germans have taken over Japan. Tourism's rife. Look, I flew into Osaka, got on a plane to Yamagata and I hardly saw a Caucasian mate. So I don't know where or So what I'm wondering, and this would be interesting, what your thoughts
are. I'm wondering if it's that old Bali situation where Aussies, they're just flocking to the same places up into, you know, one particular snow resort or you know what it is. But I found it really good over here mate. We are. We are. I reckon it's exactly what you're talking about. We are as a as a nation, as as a majority. We are not an adventurous people and it's probably got to do with the fact we grow up on an island where we have no land neighbours and you do have to.
You could drive for 17 hours and you're still in Australia. But we, I've travelled lots overseas and I reckon that as a majority, we like to congregate to where we know there are going to be other Aussies and lots of people having said that, and there will be people listening to this right now who go shut up. I'm heaps adventure.
So I go to heaps of different spots and there are Aussies that will go and, you know, suss out the unique spots, the spots that only the locals know about it. So it sounds like you and you and the rest of the family are doing just that at the moment. So it's been good though. Did you get some snowboarding in? Got some snow mate. I'm I'm very what would you call I snowboarding is our family me like even a you know, I it doesn't we can do. It's the one thing we can all do as a family.
So I'm I can get down a mountain on a snowboard. I'm no Scotty James. I've got all the I'm one of those all the gear and no idea. You know, Solomon fixes us up with all the gear and I've got no idea how to ride but. You. You snowboard like I play golf. Oh, I reckon you play golf better than I snowboard still. I like it. We've had a, we've had a ball, mate. But yeah, so this here we are. But I missed a week of running. That's you know.
And how's the body feeling? I went out this morning for an easy 45 minutes and just ran around the streets up into a park near Shinjuku, and I feel like my hamstrings are violin strings at the moment. Yeah, yeah, it it's the old body doesn't do well. Not running for a week. But anyway, we're back into it. What about we're back into yourself, mate? You're you are.
I've just seen you pumping out content on from Triple M All I'm seeing on my Instagram feed is when I'm missing all the running stuff and all I'm seeing is Liesel, Liam, Spider Spider just having fun. It's busy, it's busy. It's been good. You know, we're two weeks in now and yeah, it's, it's breakfast radio is a lot of fun. I'm actually really enjoying it. The it's going to take some time for us to really hit our hit our straps, but I think everything's
pointing in the right direction. The wake ups have been easy. Yeah, what time? 3:30 the alarm goes off. The alarm goes off at 3:30. It's it's the going to sleep the tart I lay in bed for. I got into bed last night at 8:30 and according to the watch, according to the garment, I fell asleep an hour at 9:30. So it took me an hour to actually fall asleep last night. I was just tossing and turning. It's yeah. Is that is that idea? Is that just because it's it's all new, a new job, new show,
just ideas going? In your head I don't. I don't reckon I've fallen. I don't reckon I've consistently gone to bed before 10:00 for the last for my life. Like I just, I don't, I'm not a early to bed kind of person. So when you try and change that and they reckon it's like it takes 12 days to change a behaviour or something like that, but it's going to take me time to consistently fall asleep earlier. So I'll get there.
But the other part about it, what you said just then is that, yeah, I have AI have trouble switching my brain off from thinking. And because there's the show's brand new, I've got a lot to think about. And so once it's, it's such a snowball effect, once it starts going, it's so hard to stop it. It's so hard to stop. It do. Do you have a way that you you managed to switch off at night? I've I've got a, I've got it.
No, I can't. What I actually do and I've found it, it actually I forgot about it last night and then when I finally did it, I did manage to get off to sleep. It's the box breathing and I can Garmin to the the watch does this for me. You can actually set it up. I didn't use the watch last night to do it, but it's just that box breathing and anybody that's done breath work will know about this, but it's it's in for four. So it's inhale for four and try and inhale consistently for the
full 4, four seconds. And then you hold the breath for four seconds and then you sort of counted that in your head, exhale for the four seconds and then hold the exhale like hold the don't intake for another 4 seconds. So the idea is it's box breathing. So you go in for 41234, hold for 41234, exhale for 41234, hold for 1234, then inhale. And if you do 3 rounds of that, I don't, there will be people out there who know what it does to you actually from a biological perspective.
But it does help to quieten my brain when I can't. He's going to shut up. I was going to say, you did sound, you're starting to sound very health and fitness. I know, I know, I know. I don't understand what it does but all I know is it makes my brain shut up and that that helps me get to sleep. Exactly. Just just just while for the other side of the audience.
I'm the complete opposite. So I do exactly what everyone tells you do not do. If I put a bit of Netflix on or a bit of ATV show on a laptop and watch it, I, I will be out in about 5 minutes as if I'm overthinking anything. I just put the TV on and I'm like out like lights on. So all that blue screen on all that blue screen nonsense, I live. I live by going to sleep watching something. I've never used them but I think maybe those remember everyone buying the blue screen glasses.
Just Nah. Just one of the one of the all time great scams. Well done whoever made it. Whoever made a fucking load of those, well done. We tip a screen, tip a blue screens have only worked for me to get me to sleep. Hey, let's talk some running. Let's get, let's get stuck into some running. Let's go. Hey, by the way, I'll talk to you a bit about it later on when we talk about our running weeks. But I'm back up in the trails and I'm feeling good. I'm feeling good. I'll talk.
To you a bit about that, Let's let's take some running. Yeah. OK, so the most popular running reel, or the thing that kept coming to me this week on our socials was this reel from Sam Cornforth. Sam Cornforth. SA Sam Cornforth. Yep, I always love how you can just fix my pronunciations. Liam, this is perfect. This is what This is why we work together so well. So it and look, we, we haven't, I haven't got the audio and it wasn't a great audio.
You gotta go and watch it. We'll put it in the show notes, but it's literally comparing a runner in 2000 to 2024 and what the differences are. And it's literally 2 guys taking the piss. And it literally finishes with, you know, they were playing video games on split screen. They're now playing video games online together. But the running side of it is they're filming them. So he's running, filming himself. He's got all the gear, he's doing his massages.
Just literally being a run influencer. Yeah. Yeah, they, if you and yeah, if you think back on it, if you're, if you've been running for longer than four years, when you, when you used to go for a run, you did just, you know, hey, I'm going for a run.
And that was it. And now this industry has become such that if you're not filming yourself while running or if you haven't got a race belt with gels and goos and all the rest of it contained within it. And if you're not wearing the socks pulled up above, you know if you're wearing your anklet socks, you're showing you're it's become so complicated, you
just go for a run. This is what I put and then in the end the video, what the the IT finishes with him literally realising has he hasn't put Strava on so he finishes the run and he can't put it up. So we love that, we love it. That's good. So what they, so where I'm going with this one is it actually then got me onto another kind of idea around like what's coming and running this year, you know, like this. I love it's just. Everything coming quick and quick with trends and you know,
where's running going. We'll talk about Nike in a minute and and they're kind of realignment in the market at the moment. But I'm going to throw some of this is from runners mood and they've got their 2025 running trend forecast. And I thought it was a good talking point for us to talk on what's coming or what you may think's coming. So I'm gonna throw these to you, Liam, and you tell me what you think.
So the first one is running is gonna move even more rain stre more mainstream than it currently is. So running shoes, clothes and everything else will shift into mainstream culture and the hyper running brands and products will go even further. Now I Li I like this to what was happening with surfing in the 80s, eighties and 90s. I love, I love it. I think it's, I don't know if it's a bold, I don't think it's a prediction of sorts because
it's already happening. I mean, you are you, you run for Salomon and you and I have already, we talked about this. I reckon two years ago we cut, we'd finished a run up in Nerang and you were telling me about something, an activation or a competition that you're running internally with Red Bull where you work. And one of the prizes on offer were a pair of these Salomon trainers, like a trail shoes
essentially. And all the young girls in your office wanted the Salomon trail shoes and you would go, what, what's going on? What have I missed here that all of a sudden these young girls want these shoes that I run in on the weekends. What's happened? So it's already happening that that trend of runners and more, not just not just cool clothes, but traditional runners hitting
the mainstream. 100% it was girls and guys mate or it was all the young crew and I with I like kind of went to myself. Hey, I was a mate. I was 10 years ahead of this trend, but. That's every It's it.
It only makes sense that for now for, for brands like Salomon and and New Balance, New Balance have always been in kind of that, you know, street where it, it now makes sense that it'll just continue because those early adopters like yourself, then there's the people that have set the coolness and now you'll, you'll, the slow adopters like people like me will catch up. So it's there's still, there's still money to be made by these brands by really leaning into
this running trend even more. This is all gonna build towards what is happening in Nike at the moment. So let's let's keep moving at the moment. But they've actually backflipped. The second one is retro revival. And again, this isn't new, but what what they're what they're thinking that may happen. Is this retro? The retro nature of the street shoes could actually come into the running shoe. So you're thinking about the look of the running shoe, the
colour of the running shoe. Can they actually have that street style shoe but bring it into the Alpha Fly threes? Can they bring it into the top of the range shoe so you look like you're literally running in a pair of 1980 shoes, but they've got the tech of the 2025 shoes? I mean, yeah, like what's old is new again. And you think, what was the who's the famous Oregon runner Prefontaine? The they've made a couple of movies about him. Yep, that.
Yep. That's, I mean, look, you only have to look at the faces of young blokes around this country right now. What? The moustache is back in. Courtney, I was about to say, where's your moustache going? Well, I've shaved it off. I'm trying to buck the trend. The moustache is back in in a big way and which means the style of the moustache, the style era of the moustache, which was back in the early 90s eighties, is naturally gonna come back in.
So it does make sense. You showed me a pair of as we were leaving after recording last week's episode. You showed me the pair of those Newtons that you had still in the gap. Correct. Yeah, and you're blown away. Those will those will come back in It's funny. I do want to say is it Sally Tonica? I think I'm saying a surname correctly. Yeah, she left. She left a comment after last week's episode saying that my PB is in Newtons GI miss running like I could back then.
So not only will. There be that seldom go Gold Coast Marathon, mate. Yes, yes, yeah, yeah. So there'll be that nostalgic feel for people, and so brands, of course they're gonna lean into it. Everyone loves nostalgia. Yeah, yeah, I might. I might. Talking about that, maybe I'll whip out those Newtons and wear them into the office when I get back. See how we go, see how we go.
All right, so the next one now this one's probably the one that I like at the most is can running become a spectator sport marathon running events, cultural fashion Des as a destination, you know, So this is probably more not turning up to run, but are the influence are the public figures are the
influences. Is is running going to become a an event like the Australian Open on at the moment where we're seeing, you know, a whole range of companies I saw I think it's is it you could bought one of the company. Oh, polo polo at the moment they've been doing a heap of stuff down there. Are we going to see this in running events? The big brands coming like horse
racing. Never say never my I've got some reservations and look good marketing teams can make anything popular good good a good you you know this Red Bull Red Bull market events better than almost anybody good marketing teams and that some of the sportswear brands are the best at the world in this. About making things cool and if if something's cool, people will turn up as a spectator sport. The difficulty with running, it's a similar problem that not F1. Like the point is, from a pure
spectating sport, it's boring. Running is long distance running is boring to watch, right? It's a bit like, it's a bit like the Tour de France in that if you watch a bunch of cyclists go past you, that's it. And you don't see him again, right? Unless you race self and know whatever. But and yet the Tour de France
is cool. So maybe it's not so much about looking at the Australian Open as a model, it's more about looking at the Tour de France as a model because people aren't going to get excited about standing on the side to watch the elite runners go past for a split second and then that's the end of their experience. So I'm sure the brands will figure it out. This one. I'll be interested to see how they they do it though.
Yeah, I like the way you're going with the cycling because what they do, you know, if you had a marathon course, they have a parade. Arguably it's a big parade that come through before the lead runners. So there's entertainment. All the sponsors get there, you know, different. Yep. I don't know where you want to call them. Cars, trucks out and show all their wares. And there's. Yeah, it's all happening. So maybe that's the way we'll go.
But let's see. Let's see if that runs right for 225. Look, this is happening at the moment. There's subculture crossovers and collaborations at the same time. So are we going to see? What I'm interested in is where the break point for all this is. So this has been happening for, you know, you know, pretty much since COVID or pre COVID, COVID accelerated it. Is there going to be a point like the US election where suddenly tides turn? And is it when when is that point in running?
Because everything changes, everything cycles. And the one thing for sure is just like other sports, running will have it stay and then we'll cycle. When is that point? Absolutely. And and and by definition tides turn as you say. So running is still very much, I don't, I don't think it's peaked. I actually think it's still in the upswing phase. There's some people who are probably resistant to running who think it's having its
absolute peak right now. I still think it's got incredible room to grow, But what's, what's the jumping the shark? What's the moment that is is one step too far? What's that brand association where, you know, is it? Is it if if Bunnings hosts a marathon in one of their stores, is that the point where running has become too naff? Is it, is it a certain person
getting on board? You know, if the Kardashians start advocating running, is that the moment where no, this is this is burst, the bubbles burst for us. I don't know what it is. I think, look, I think there's some some run influence out there trying their hardest to burst the bloody bubble of the sport because I don't like what some of them are doing. But I think the bubbles a long way from bursting as a whole. But I look for look at the same
time. I'm really excited to see what culture and subculture collaborations happening with running this year. It's it's exciting. We've talked about music runs and we've talked about the run clubs doing stuff with breweries and all the rest of it. And that's great. I'm fascinated to see what comes next. Yeah, I mean cult, the culture side of it's the thing we're talking about here.
I mean, running running's existed for hundreds of well thousands of years since they dot and it's not going anywhere. I mean, I was running like I'm in in the middle of Tokyo at the moment and you know, one of the highest populations that get out and run, you know, the hard like when they run marathons sold out highest population of doing that at the Ekinen Relays running in school. So when I've spent some time here before, you know, it's compulsory at a young age in
schools. They take him running every morning. It's part of their culture. Run up in the park, you know, OK up here up the street and you know, you're going to find runners running around the park. And and what one one that got me this morning was the guy He looked like he must have been about 100 and he was bent over like frail SH. He would have been walking and mate, he was still picking up his feet.
I was I was watching him and he was just just still that notion of still being able to run, just picking up his feet and I'm a walk ran past smiling, going yeah, that's that's what you want to be doing. I love the the Tokyo Marathon for mine is is a that's, that's, that's a bucket list. 1A friend of mine from the runners in the dark group down in Sydney G she and her and her partner Ben G's in locked in for the Tokyo
Marathon this year. And Ben, I was talking to her, her partner Ben, who was saying that it's just that's their absolute, that's their household focus. She's getting run the Tokyo Marathon so that they're making it their household focus at the moment, their days, their training, everything is mapped around G getting to run the Tokyo Marathon. So yeah, Japan's got an amazing running culture. I think the idea of collaborations around running, that's that's the other thing.
I think that's the last thing they have on their list of of this runner's mood predictions for the year. That's the other thing that might pop the the bubble is is if we see the wrong brand Co. The wrong brand. Yeah, that's the, that's the. Other one, yeah, well rolling into that, so I'd mentioned Nike earlier on. So the new CEO of Nike and this is a new use, this is going back a few weeks now, but he it's no secret Nike have had a massive
decline on the stock market. There's about 29% DE, you know, decrease in value this year. New CEO has got back and they've got, he's come out and announced their new brand strategy. So they're getting back to their roots and they're gonna focus on sport. So when we're talking about all this collaboration subcultures and all that, Nike's been at the forefront of this, right? They do it so well.
And now what you'd argue is, you know, one of the biggest, if not the biggest sporting brand on the globes turned around and said we're going back to focus on sport. What then I did see pop up was cycling. So night teams up with a female FDJ, it's first Pro Cycling team partnership. So that's an interesting 1. So they've gone, we're gonna go back and focus on sport. We're a running brand. We sell shoes.
And one of the things we're gonna do right at the moment from 2:25 on, when we're gonna jump back into cycling. Now, if you remember Armstrong, like Lance Armstrong. I was about to say, that's the last time I can remember Nike really being associated. With it, yeah. So I mean, massive Nike athlete in cycling really. They didn't, you know, you could buy cycling Nike cycling shoes. They never when I was, you know, around tries in that day and they never really caught on that much.
But you know, yeah, here we go. So Nike back in cycling and they're like openly saying, you know, we've got lost a little bit in our ways, we're losing share and we're going back to focus on sports. So hopefully that's good news for athletes. Do you know what's interesting about the Nike? I don't know how much you know about it, and someone out there who knows more probably correct me on any mistakes I make in this part. But interestingly, with Nike, they, they used to make golf
clubs, right? And there's probably some people out there that still swing Nike golf clubs. And they basically, and this might have been under the old CEO or under the old strategy, but they basically abandoned it because it wasn't their this their sweet spot. It wasn't their, pardon the pun, one would, it wasn't their strong strength technology of making clubs. These pure golf brands like TaylorMade and like Callaway and Ping and all the rest, they were much better.
And I think it was Rory McIlroy who had used to use Nike clubs and basically performance kind of went. Tiger was Nike, wasn't he? Tiger's Nike. I don't know if he ever used Nike clubs. Necessarily we're talking club, club specific. Exactly. And famously I mean, they dominate in the they dominate from a Nike clothing apparel. But I wonder whether with this renewed focus on sport, they might reopen the the got the Golf Club wing of the the factory and see if they get back into that.
Anyway, wait and see. Watch it. Watch it, watch this fight. Yeah, because I mean, that's to me, that's really interesting. And like I said, hopefully that's good news for for athletes. And, you know, some of that investment goes really back into some of those sports that's, you know, realistically the the equipment is actually used for in the first place. Yeah, exactly. Hey, we got some loose ends we need to tie up. I did so last last episode.
We, we have been inundated with messages about nasal breathing and oh, yeah, I know. I don't know if I want to talk about it, to be honest, but it's I've, I've got to just, I've got to have some time to sift through it and then maybe next episode we can come back to you. We'll pick it up then. One thing I do need to own, you know, here we, we talk about being transparent on this show. And last week I was talking about when I go through a service station, we're talking
about electrolytes. Yeah. And I said I buy maximus one for value 2 because there was more sodium in a maximus than there is in Gatorade or Powerade or some of those others you choose to buy. Now I was create corrected. I'm not corrected. I was then watching a reel on someone I, I kind of do trust a little bit on how they talk about electrolytes.
And no, Gatorade and Powerade actually have more sodium than Maximus. So I don't know how the hell Maximus tastes like it's got more sodium in it. But you know, this is one of those things that when you're, and when they were also talking about Maximus first Gatorade and Powerade, it was also talking about how concentrated they were. So having that ideal concentration about 6% to or under 6% to be able to absorb
into the bloodstream correctly. Now Maximus was a little bit over, I think Powerade was slightly over and Gatorade actually sat just under 6%. So it's the thing that's when you're exercising. After exercising or pre exercise or whatever, that idea of having the perfect mix goes out the door. So I'm gonna again come back to say I go with my gut, I go with my wallet. And when I walk into the service station, I'm still gonna buy the one that is the best bang for buck.
That you do you exactly right I do me Hey hey, bang for buck, whether it's whether you're buying electrolytes or buying shoes at rebel, do what you need to do and the just quickly and I'm glad you've this is what we're about hand up accountability when we get stuff. Wrong. I was wrong. I was wrong and I've and I'm owning it. But can we go back to the nasal breathing for a moment? I know you're going to wade through some more of the comments. I just want to share two things
with you quickly. Flo sent us a message on Spotify and she said another great EP guys. In regards to nasal breathing, check out Oxygen Advantage. The Oxygen Advantage uses dynamic breath hold exercises to enhance sports performance and simulation of altitude training. So I'm going to look into the oxygen Advantage, but. OK. I had this conversation about nasal breathing with Eddie Gordon, friend of the pod runs. Good former triathlete like yourself, still a very good
runner these days. I was talking to him about this in run group last week and he and we and we're talking about nasal strips. Have you ever used nasal strips? That is one I haven't done, mate. I look at them and I go. Yeah, interesting. We could say that, right. So we and I was talking about nasal strips with one of the other blokes in the run group because there's some there's some elite runners, there's some
great runners who swear by them. Right As he referred a conversation he'd had with the doctor. OK, and I'm going to use an analogy here. Well, the doctor basically said, yeah, that's great. It might open up your nose for more breathing. But if your nose is taking in more breath, it just means your mouth isn't taking in as much, right? Because ultimately your lungs are only as big as your lungs
are. So the analogy being, and I, you know, in a toilet, alright, if your toilet, if your, if your toilet assistant, stay with me on this, everybody. If you're listening, trust me, this will work in the end. We're we're in the toilet, OK? If you look at your system in your toilet, right, if your toilet system is a six litre system, when you press the small flush, the flush when you've just done a number one, the toilet sends down 3 litres.
When you press the big flush, the toilet sends down all six litres. OK, correct. Yeah, your toilet, your toilet assistant can only send down 6 litres. Right Now, if your lungs, let's say, are capable of holding 6 litres of air, and you're taking in maybe 4 litres through your mouth and two litres through your nose, your lungs are still only taking in six litres. If you put this nasal strap on, suddenly your nose is capable of taking in four litres. It's not like your mouth's still
taking in four litres. Your lungs can't take in eight litres, they can only take in six litres. SO4 litres might be going in through your nose, but it means your mouth's only taking in two. Oh, I'm with, I'm with you here, Liam. I, I get where you're going and it, it, that, the, it's, that's common sense to me, But I, I'm sure you're gonna piss off a lot of nasal breathers in that. What I'm saying is your lungs are a toilet and there's only so
much room. Yeah, I like that makes 100% sense to me. No signs back in it. So but we'll, we'll, I'm sure this topic's, but I, I was, this is one I didn't expect to kind of come back with so much information. And every time I read a new comment on nasal, I've been running for, I don't know, 30 years and I've never once thought about.
I'm sure at some point some coaches said to me breathe in through your mouth, breathe out through your nose or do something, but I've never really overthought it too much and it comes back to that notion of overthinking running 11 breathing exercise I have had kind of said to me over time is more to keep your breathing in control is on steps. So like breathing on every four steps, breathe in yeah, then breathe out, you know, kind of using your steps as a as a
rhythm based breathing exercise. But yeah, anyway, let's. Maybe one? One one day in the future, we maybe get someone in who knows what they're talking about on this. So what else have we got? Oh so off the back. Another one that I was just getting like flogged with. So I'm not gonna mention everyone's name who sent this to me, but off the back of we'd already talked about in episode 18, the Thai Ving run carbon favoured sandal. Yep. And the guy ran two 18218 marathon in them.
So we've got inundated with that. Who hadn't listened to that episode yet. Go to episode 18 if you want to hear about that. But then Matt O'Brien actually shared to me like an upgrade on the Birkenstock recovery clog. He has shared with me what Ben Johnson has shared on Instagram, which is a VK try recovery clog which has a carbon fibre plate inside. Now if you have heard this is absolute bullshit, I'm going to call it right off the gap because.
Right. This is it's a clog designed they say it's designed to boost recovery and daily comfort. The VK Tri recovery clog helps athletes recover faster with a softer E Eva upper, dual intensity foot bed cushioning and everything else. And then it has a carbon fibre plate for stability when you're recovering and walking around. Why do you need a carbon plate? You know this is Mar. This is This is BS marketing and it's best.
Again, we'll put this one in the in the notes for you to have a look at. But like, this is getting out of hand, mate. Absolutely out of hand. There's no need for that, that that's one where I think we can. We don't want to be pro or anti any products unless we've tried them and reviewed them. I haven't tried that. But don't buy it. It's a waste of time. No, Yeah, now I know you're. Why don't we, we've got some loose sensor tie up from even earlier episodes.
So why don't you type your loose end first back to that famous real where you talked about kilometres versus intensity in your training. You do that one first because I have to go even further back for another. Fight, we're going back and back, but yeah, so quickly. Michael Richardson now north QLD fella. That's why I'm gonna make sure like I love it when a N Queenslander backs a fellow. I'll call myself AN Queenslander when I want to. I was born up there.
So we we on that distance first intensity debate. He was listening to the strength running podcast with Jason Fitzgerald. So pretty knowledgeable guy, right? And he was talking about a similar thing in there. All of those things you can. So he's talking about running paces and that type of thing. So he goes things that you dial in and you just can't do it on race day unless you're thinking about it. Every run you do is your easy run, easy enough.
How fast are you going in your speed sessions compared to previous times? But it's more important, but it's more the effort then the exact pace that's going to be relevant if you're yeah. So you're trying to get the stimulus of an intensity. Your body doesn't know a pace or a distance. It knows how hard things are. So that's that's that's the line. Your body doesn't know a pace or a distance.
It knows how things you are. So this comes back to running for intensity, the RPE chart, all of those things that just this is second, this is backing me up a little bit here, but don't get hung up too much every day on Strava, your paces, your times and everything else. Just get the work done, be consistent and, and do the intensities you think you need to do. And in the end, you keep doing that, you'll get good results. That's it.
Consistency over perfection. That would be that's, that would be #1 on the on the commandments of In the Beginning podcast, we'd have that over. There, we're going to have this as our this is going to be our mantra, mate. It's about just intensity and consistency. Intensity and consistency. That's the In the Beginning
podcast, intense and consistent. Hey, I need to go all the way back to episode 4 for a moment, if you will, which is probably one of our most downloaded apps, which is where we discuss the idea of who Australia's best known runner was. Now the reason I want to go back there is because I mentioned in that app Jessica Howell, who was a part of the pole where alongside Steve Monegetti, Ned Brockman and Brett Robinson.
Was he the yeah, correct. And I we talked about Jess how silver the Olympics in the 1500 metres. I've referred to what I think is the most under celebrated Olympic medal maybe we've ever had because of how amazing her achievement was. I just wanted to give a shout out and I've been in no way paid for this but my heart lit up and I'm late to the party on this because I think it's been in
place for over a month. But I got really genuinely excited when on my Instagram feed I saw a paid partnership ad pop up from Jess Hull with Shocks the Headphone company.
Because it just said to me that whilst it might not receive have received the recognition of the Fox girls, Jess and Noemmy or some of our swimmers, I'm really genuinely happy that a company is partnering with Jess Howe and that she's getting money into her pocket to continue being our maybe our best runner right now over the track, around the track.
It just made me really excited that there's a brand partnership in place with Jess. I'm sure she's got other things as well, but I was like, this makes me happy. I'm glad that this headphone company has found a way to partner with someone who is one of our best track runners right now. Yeah, they're they're being well, Yeah, I agree. That's great. I mean, she's doing, she's with her rum brands and everything else. I'm sure she's doing alright as well, but. But she's made me happy.
Yeah, yeah, mate. Yeah. I mean, we, we've talked about this. We want to there's a there's a happy line. Ronnie's big enough at the moment that everyone there's, you know, should be enough. Everyone should be eating. And The thing is, you know, we're talking about influences
we're talking about. But I want to see make sure that the true athletes and the ones who are performing in our country's best at the moment are not only supported by the brands, but supported by the, the spectators and, and, and the, you know, the population as well. Yeah, nice one, nice one. All right, loose ends tied up. Let's talk about running now. You've obviously mentioned you've done sweet bugger all running because you've been snowboarding and shredding the pow.
But but I am I, I'm back in the trails. We talked about it the other week. The fear of this Kanani race and a few other trail things coming on has got me back up into the trails. I've been up in the border trails a couple of times last couple of weeks and that I think I spoke about it a couple of weeks ago of the heaviness of that first trail run back up there and just feeling every gramme that I I am carrying over my race that. You I I ate over Christmas.
Yep. Exactly. Now I don't think I, I haven't, I, I didn't weigh myself at around that time. I don't typically, I'm not a scale watcher. I don't typically look at how much I weigh ever really. But I was back up in the trails earlier this week and I feel so much better. I just feel, and I think I've been putting a big focus on leg
strength stuff too. Squats, goblet squats, all that sort of stuff, and whatever I'm doing is working because I feel so much better up in the trails at the moment. Up in Crumben, have you been in Is that? Where you, yeah, up in the border trails, sort of just putting in and it's a simple out and back thing for me. And again, not coming from your background of the elite level of training, mine is a really simple training idea of out and back. And each time I just go out a
bit further. I'm just going out. So the first one of these I did, I think I went out for 5K when I came back, I think it took me a little over an hour to do this 10K with about 400 metres of elevation. The most recent one, I went out six K and I came back 6K. And so I'm just adding, just adding to the wall, adding to the KS, adding to the time the elevation goes up a little bit.
But it's, it's a really simple idea, but finding this trail that I'll go well, this time I'll go out next time. So I'm going to do another run today, in fact, and I'm going to run out seven cars. Which means it'll be a 14K run all up. I'll probably do about 500 metres of elevation over this run. It'll probably take me an hour and a half, but it's going good. It's perfect. Well, we'll build up because I reckon then we've before Keani Kinani, we'll have to do some.
We'll be up the back of Springbrook or something mate. I'm still so angry at you about this race. This is genuinely terrifying. So the other thing I am doing, and I know you know about this because it's one of your old surf mates who's the event organiser, is the Burley Swim Run event that's happening on on Monday the of the Australia Day long weekend. Tie Dalka organising this event down in Burley. I'm in. I'm committed. I'm in. Yep. So what?
What if? Just refresh me on what is it the I know what it is where it is, but what's the distances? For those that don't know, it's a 400 metre swim there, it's a 4K soft sand run. It's a 400 O ocean swim. 400 ocean swim off Bailey beach and then a 4K soft sand run. I think it's a 2K course that you do twice. I, I probably this is not something I'd normally sign up
for because I swim like a rock. But the reason I've jumped into it is because there's a, there's a can't remember what they, how they classifying it, but there's essentially a little kids race and it's a wade race. So they weighed 400 metres and then I think they run 400 metres. And so my 8 year old Quinn, who's doing nippers at your old Horn N Burley Surf Club, she's in. So she'll be doing the wade race and dad's going to be doing the, the, the full belt, the 400 metre 4K run.
I'm genuinely concerned about coming last. Oh mate, you'll be fine. There's they that that event's been running for years and they get a, you know, a mix of everything. You'll be fine and they get everyone from down there. You'll see some of it like I I wouldn't be SU surprised in Matt Hauser and those Olympians turn up. And then you'll have everyone from all the surf club crew, young crew. It's a great day, but I mean, because it's so busy that
weekend as well. Now this is the one thing you by that stage you'll be running back through from Burley to North Burley and back. I reckon you'll have a pretty good crowd of like people starting their daily barbecues and everything by then, mate. And if you're what are you gonna wear? Do you what do you wear in this race like that? Do you go in the Dick togs or do you go Dick togs? Do you go like tights? You go Tri suit? What's your What's your OK, I'm
uniform a choice. I am there's there's it's sort of like it's like I'm like Goldilocks and the three bears here, right? If if the try suit is is Papa bear, I'm not good enough to be racing in the Tri suit, right? I'm not, but at the same time I don't think I'm in good enough nick to be running in the Dick togs either. So I think I'll be opting for a pair of the little shorts or something along those. Giants, jammers, or whatever. Jammers, I think the swimmers call them.
So yeah, probably be rolling out in a in a modest pair of jammers. By the way, quick product review those you did throw me a pair of Salomon running shorts the other day. Yeah. I may never run in. I may never run in anything else. They're good, aren't they? They the what they're great, but what it's done is it's ruined my other pairs of shorts. Now I I don't want to run in the other shorts because they are, they don't feel like they're there. They're so light.
It's beautiful to run in. They are, like I said, I am obviously biassed towards Solomon when it comes to most things, but this is just like these shorts by far. And we're just trying to quickly look up. Exactly. And look, they're not gonna be cheap either 'cause they're the top of the range. What are they? They're the sense aero set. So they got, they're longer shorts. So they're definitely, you know, not for you. Like I always say. Yeah, no, I'm not gonna even say
that anymore. I'm gonna get in trouble one day. But they got S There are 7. In short, they're 100 bucks. So it's an that's. Actually pretty. That's actually pretty decent, I thought. I thought they were going to be more expensive than that. It's an but it is relatively like if you're new to running, that's an expense. That's a big Outlander pair of shorts, but they're worth it. They are. They are. They're delight. They're delightful.
The thing is, no, no seams. The inner sits like, you know, I suppose the waist, they don't really have a waistband as such. Yeah, so the inner is your waistband, and then the actual short itself just sits on, like it's nearly like on a suspension belt. I don't know what it is, but they work and they're like I said, I just order six or seven of them and wear a pair of black shorts every day and it makes it easy. Or next time, order seven or eight of them. OK.
I will. So. Yeah. So they're great. So that's me. My run week. Running's going good, feeling good, body's good. Who would have thought that strength training and consistency makes you feel good? But it does. So. There you go. What are we up to? The WTF segment. Here we go. Always a good one actually, before I jump in. No, no. I was going to say you need another hand up accountability moment for you. Don't think we're skipping over
this in the run sheet. If you're going to call out the big boys of the running world, Courtney, when they reply, we are going to serve it up to the In the beginning family. Yeah, well, I'm not, I'm not getting called out here. I'm actually this. I have, I wasn't talking shit. That's pretty much what's happened here.
I I was telling the truth. So Alex Baker, he won't, I'm sure they won't mind me sharing this DM, but Alex Baker sent me this and he obviously heard the conversation I was talking about. I held the the downhill record for a while there at what was it, UTA 50 or UTA 21, whichever one we'd done and I'd actually knocked off Ben, Ben Saint Lawrence. So obviously X 10K Australian record holder and he sent that on to Ben to have a listen to and see whether I was talking crap.
Now the Ben, he said Ben had a good laugh and said he'll give it a listen. He, he, he, but he said I've never beaten Ben in a race old lady. I always used to let him cook his legs knowing that I'd pass him back on the uphills. He's a good bloke and we're mates. So thanks Ben. Yeah. And I kind of thought that would have been the case where. But I still did beat you on the downhill. So there you go. I wasn't talking crap. Ah, alright, let's talk. What the Let's talk some WTF events.
What have you found? So first one mate, have you ever heard of or watched Artistic cycling before? No, and there's a reason. Because it's artistic cycling. This one, this is a UCI so like the governing body of cycling for everything Olympics and everything. This is ascensioned event and we'll we'll put the the reel in the nose, but it's literally what what were those? It's synchron, it's synchronised swimming for cyclists and it's, it's, it is the, I mean, I watched the clip you sent
through and I was annoyed. I was annoyed at you straight away. I'm annoyed at the UCI for sanctioning. This is an actual event that people feel like they can represent their country in. It's not a sport. Stop it. Yeah, yeah, I well, I'm with you with the bikes they're riding. It's not a sport. But then have you ever seen flatland BMX riding where they do like a be on a BMX bike? They do. It's pretty much like street BMX. But like on flatland they do
tricks, They they do spins. I'll, I'll, we'll bring out a reel next week on that. Yeah, there's actually a Red Bull guy out of France who's like world champ at it. And I see him on reels all the time and look on BM XS and I I saw this and I don't know. I'm not sure I'm. Not sure hey if if these people doing this synchronise or artistic cycling whatever it's called can then drop into a bowl or a park or whatever and do a flip. I'm on ball with that but I don't reckon they can.
Yeah, so the next one is from Jordan Barter. Now I think you know Jordan. Yeah, so I'm gonna let you talk about this one. But he said boys loving the podcast. Thought I'd mention a race that might fit into this segment. I'll leave it with you from here because this is your your neck of the woods. Jordan Jordan's a Ripper. I used to play footy with his cousin Matt and and Matt and Jordan both love and adventure
race. They're actually they're right when when I did defiance that year, they were right into it following along because they love and adventure race. These boys. They grew up around the surf scene. But this is Jordan sent this through. I'm not sure if it's still going, but about 25 years ago I competed in a race that consisted of three different horse tracks. Pretty sure it was Rose Hill, Warwick Farm and another one, presumably Randwick. If you're in the Sydney area.
Everyone would start at the same time and do one lap of the first track, so you've got to run the lap of the the horse track. Let's say you start at Rose Hill and then you've got to race to the train station to get to the next horse track and run a lap. So if you went Rose Hill to Warwick Farm to Randwick, basically it's a race around the track and then a logistical race of getting public the train. To the next Sydney Trains.
Sydney Trains? Yep. Interesting. This is the sort of race, these are the sort of events that I think we need to see more of. Less synchronised cycling, more racing, your mates on train. I love this. Can you, can you go into any of these Sydney race tracks and run now? I mean, this is 25 years ago. I don't think you could. Just roll in. Probably not. Probably. Not in. There is a track in in Melbourne. I know some of the kind of more elite runners running race track
down there. I'm not sure whether they still do, but I used to see them. Might have been Mooney Valley or somewhere do. You know what this has just reminded me of This is just reminding me. I'm pretty sure I might look I'll look into it for next week. But I'm pretty sure we've talked about run golf. We've talked about what are some of the other silly running events that they've they've combined anyway, but I'm pretty
sure. Kenny Cross stuff. And yeah, I'm pretty sure there's an event or there's at least very much a record of the fastest time it's taken somebody to go to every train stop in Sydney. So utilising the Sydney rail network, visiting every train station. And the guy is like a fit dude because he runs and you know, it's all the rest of it. But I'll look into it more for it. It'll be It'll be a headline for next week's WTF segment. All right, you better put that in the notes, mate, because I
won't remember that one. OK. And then a fire. Our final one. So Kate, Liam, help me out here. This one's come from Kate Kakavis. Yep, so she she's with the Gold Coast rug Club. I'm hopeless on names mate. KDC just ones come from KDC. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm gonna have to start nicknaming everyone. Anyway, she, before I get into what she sent us about the WTF events she has, I think I might have mentioned about throwing away shoes on a past episode or throwing away equipment or
something. Anyway, she's a part of the Make the Make the Waves Foundation, which has what part of what they do is a Sierra Leone project and we'll put these in the notes as well. But what she sent me is their foundation actually around SE Queensland. Take in any old shoes or running equipment and all of that type of thing. Once they've got enough gear and they box it all up and ship it off to, you know, obviously people who need it to go and off and run and help other people.
So if you are looking to, you know, instead of just wasting stuff and throwing stuff away, I'll put the I've always thought about where do you recycle your run shoes? What do you do with them? If you're local, this is one one thing that you might want to have a look into. Anyway, she sent me a a link with a whole range of shoes, like we a whole range of events. The weirdest Finnish events. They are so in Finland specifically. Now I'm gonna call out two of them.
The first one, and I love this one, it's the world wife carrying championship. Oh yeah, have you heard of this one? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I know. I'm familiar with this one. Yeah. I like it. You're familiar with this one. OK, I love this one. So pretty much it's a, it's an old tradition, but it's a 235 metre track with obstacles and the winner receives their wife's
weight in beer. So Yep, the heavier your wife you can do it with, hopefully you only got one wife, but the heavier the wife you can choose to do it with, obviously the more it be you get. The other one I found quite interesting was the World Sauna Championship. So we've we've talked a little bit about ice baths and doing all that type of thing up in Finland. Who can last the longest in a hot sauna and starting at a temperature of 110 Celsius? So what's that in degrees?
I'm I'm bad, I'm bad with this stuff. Let's just say it's hot, it's sauna hot, and every 30 seconds they throw more hot rocks on and increase the temperature until someone outlasts everywhere. H How would you go in this? I reckon I'd be OK in the sauna, I'd be absolutely hopeless if it was cold, but one thing I don't mind is a bit of heat, so I would actually put myself in this one and do all right. I would be the Eric Musambani of this sauna World Championships.
I would. Be you're gonna have to, you're gonna have to tell me who that is, mate. You remember Eric the Eel from the Olympics, the swimmer from Equatorial Guinea or wherever he was from? I do now. Now you see nicknames. It's all about nicknames. Eric Musambani, Eric the Eel, AKA Eric the Eel, That swimmer who jumped in, basically he had the heat to himself because the only other bloke in it false
started. I think he finished the 100 metre freestyle in 2 minutes and 30 seconds, which is, yeah, is not Olympic standard. But he became the darling of the Olympic Games. He embodied the Olympic spirit of effort. I would be the Eric the Eel of the sauna championships. I hate, well, I don't hate saunas, but I just can't cop them for an extended period of time. Yeah, right. There you go. Well, can't. I'll, I'll, I'll take the in beginning, the In the Beginning
podcast hit on this one. I'd be more than happy to go on this call. You have to. All right, right. So let's get into some listener questions. We got some. We do this week before, well before we jump into questions, we talked about we had our most Aussie testimonial ever last week, which was brilliant. Now, this is another, yeah, I suppose a similar to a testimonial, but it's we got a listener, Chris. His handle is Chris Explore. Yes, all the way from Norway, from Norway, Norway.
I love this one because we talked about, we copped a little bit of Flack about hiking last week and he said hi and thanks for your Inspira Inspiring podcast. First heard your episode on a run and ended up downloading them all on my iPad. Fortunately because I did a hike up a few weekends ago to a cabin in the mountains, I got stuck for two days and ended up listening to 15 episodes while sitting by the fireplace drinking coffee. That sound that I love the the reason I love this.
I was like that is my perfect week. Going up into a mountain, getting stuck somewhere of my own and just being able to sip on coffee next to a fireplace for a week. Yeah, a good. Set. I've gotta be honest, that does sound absolutely delightful. At the moment I don't know if I'd wanna sit around and listen to 15 episodes of You and Me talk. No, I think that.
That I wouldn't. That my big, but oh, how good from Chris. Thank you for Chris all the way from Norway. Signed up for his first trail race off the back of it and he's going running mountains, so how good. This is this is what it's about, this is what it's about. It's not getting you about buying fancy shoes is not getting you about signing up the stupid eight week programmes. It is about just getting
involved. Well done Chris, we love to see it Now Mr Atkinson and what you put your elite athlete hat on 'cause we got a couple of questions from people we want to throw your way. First one, Benjamin Feriff says, hey legends love the pod, great listen every week great topics to think about while running. Question for Courtney, how do you get faster at trail running like 50K events? Is it the same as intervals and intervals and thresholds on the trails with vertical or how to mix it up?
And oh, thank you Benny says shout out to Liam. Hi, jog past on the border trail this evening looking Ah bloody hell Ben. Should have said good day. Yeah, like you know what, I'm look, I'll come back to something Bens brought up there because I do want to brainstorm something with you. But let's ask the Bens question first. How do you get better at running
trails? As opposed we've talked about intervals, thresholds, long runs and what they can do for you on the Flats. How do you get better at running the trails? Well, being 50K, the first thing is, you know, it's like any long distance event. You just gotta be out there. Running mileage is gonna be key in this. But when it comes like running on the trails spec, like being specific to the trails is gonna
help. So if you're gonna do your intervals and thresholds, you, you know, generally majority of the trail races you're gonna go in are gonna have some type of hills. You know, that's the nature of when majority of trail races are put on when it comes to how you break up the hills and the threshold. I mean, I don't do a lot of threshold on the trails because it's so hard to control your heart rate when you're going up and down different surfaces and everything else.
But what I do do is when I'm doing kind of like say my intervals, I choose to do it more like fart, lick and use let the terrain actually dictate my pace, which then becomes more specific to a race. So I've talked about doing that 17 K loop I do where I literally I'll run up the hills at that threshold type pace, you know, that kind of race pace I want to be at and then float and relax on the downhills.
Now I might run hills anywhere between a 300 metre hill to a 1 1/2 kilometre, 1 1/2 kilometre hill. Different variances in steepness in that, but you get to mix it up as you go. So I like to use the train to mix it up for me and that's the beauty of running trails. And then it doesn't get boring either. Can I just 'cause I reckon Ben is probably closer to me as a runner than he is you. And you talk about race pace up
hills. When I'm out on a trail run, if I'm doing that 17 K loop, you're talking about some of those hills I can't run up like I, that is a, that is a hike hill for me. I can't the idea of, you know, trying to explore threshold pace or race pace on that hill, It's I can't, I have. To walk, just getting up it.
Yeah. So is there, is it a case of or could you potentially, and this is a perfect example of how Courtney always says I can't train someone to run a race if I don't understand how to run their pace. But if for example, if I'm taking on that 17 K loop and that steep particular that steep part around the back, you know where I'm talking about, how how could I try and tackle that
differently to improve? Well, you, you power hike with power hike up, but so going back to that RPE or knowing like what type of intensity you're running at, if you, you know, instead of trying to run it at a set pace or trying to keep pace, you want to feel how hard you're going. And then each of those hills be able to manage that over that distance. So if you were running a course, you want to be able to finish the last few hills as strong as you've started the first few
hills. And that's how you get better over time on the trails is being able to manage like that intensity. You run up and know that early on in sessions or in a race, you can be feeling really, really easy. You might actually choose to purely walk to keep your heart rate down. Because the one thing's for sure, and this is gospel, the one thing's for sure, in a 50K event, all those longer trail events. At some point, it's gonna get
bloody hard. And at some point, it doesn't matter how easy you go out, it doesn't matter how hard you go out, you're gonna hit a hill in that race or hit that hill in that trading where you're gonna be hurting. And the more you can understand how your body feels and reacts and learn what that pacing is without all the use of gadgets and everything else, the better you're gonna be able to manage your pace over that whole that whole race. And that, that's what training is used for, right?
To be able to, I suppose, teach your body and learn from trial and error as to what works. And then as you keep doing that, you get stronger at the same time. The second part of that is intervals. I mean, I treat trail intervals the same way as I treat intervals on hills on the road. Just pick a, pick a distance, pick an intensity, run up and back, recover down and and and there you go. I love that. I reckon that's a great answer, Ben. I hope you get something out of that, mate.
I'll come back to the other thing about you spotting me on the trail. I do want to finish this up with a bit of a brainstorm session. Courtney Sammy Way, who's a friend, just just. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait up, wait up, wait up. I wanna know, I wanna know. Did he spot you on the trail and recognise you from our podcast or are you already a star on local breakfast? Are you? Have you got?
Look, let's let's talk about it. Now are there are there banners up or have we got any signs up on the Gold Coast yet? Do we see your face on the highway? The irony is, and I don't know if we're doing any video out of this one today, The irony is right now we will. I've, I've got a face full of makeup cause I've literally been having promo shoots for the radio show today, which are gonna end up on buses and bloody billboards around the joints.
So no, OK question then there. We go, we're not gonna be able to run with you anywhere then. Before we get to before we get to Sam's question and I do want to get to it. I was thinking this and it and it's so funny that Ben has messaged in and said he spotted me on the trails because I was thinking what we, we're not you and I are not looking to start making merch or start, you know, trying to become just another one of those buddy run influences thing.
But what I'd love to do genuinely, I want to have a hand sign or something so that if I because I love waving at people and smiling at people on the trails or tracks or whenever if I'm running and I see them, particularly on the trails, I love to nod, to smile, to hair, you go, whatever. I want to have something which says, which indicates in the beginning you've been listening to the pod.
I want some. I don't know what it is, whether because you can't give a thumbs up because that's too generic. I'd love to come up with it's essentially like a handshake, but obviously we're not going to stop and shake hands. But I want to come up with something, whether it's the tip of the cap, I don't know, to indicate I'm listening to the pod. OK, maybe someone can give us an idea because I'm blank at the moment. Maybe it is the old school hat tip of the cap.
Maybe it's the old school. Hat off, I'm like. Holding the lift of the hat that now there's something if you so if if you run past somebody on the trails or and there's it's too hard on the flats on the main areas, but if you run past somebody honest, you know, and there's not a lot of people around and you both reciprocate lift of the cap. What do you call that? The English would have a name for that for sure. Like the old, you know, the old,
big, big black. Yes, I think the the phrase I think and correct me if there's any year old English speakers that is to you doth your cap. I doth my cap. I doth my cap to you. OK, maybe I'll take that back. I don't know if I want the thing going on. All right, we'll have a if anyone's got any good ideas, though, please send them in because I, I would genuinely love. We don't, I don't want to start. We're not creating running programmes here. We're not trying to take your money.
But I would love to create something so that people can, the community can just acknowledge one another in a discreet manner if they bump into each other on the run. One more question before we wrap things up in course.
Yeah, you got to get back to some some sashimi and some sushi on the streets of Tokyo. Sam White, friend of the show, personal friend of mine who is getting back into his running and has has thrown this one in question because we brought it up in an episode about calf compression socks. Sam wants to know what's the deal with them. He actively avoids those people on runs the same way you avoid tourists on Segways. He can't possibly think that it
helps, but would love to know. Courtney, do they actually do anything? Oh man, this is a red flag for me. Really. Yes, yes. I cause in triathlon this was such a big thing, you know, people running in calf socks. And then I've seen it kind of when trails started booming. I've seen it kind of creep into trail a little bit. And you know, it came with the fluoro, it came with everything else. I think it's overkill.
I, I believe there is like for years when I travelled and if I was like I talked about earlier on, I used to fly up on the red eyes here to Japan to race. We would have compression tights on every time I'd fly or compression socks. It makes sense when you're swelling and look, there is, I know there's evidence with compression that you know, it does help some maybe recovery. It might help with Isola oscillation and muscles and a whole range of stuff.
But for 99 of us, percent of us, they just look awful. It's as simple as that. Oh I'm I'm more than happy to take my 1% pain to to not wear compression socks. I'm going to show you this is this. Well, this is going to be the end. You're going to show me a picture of yourself. This is going to be the, this is how we end today's podcast, right? Because I'm not going to want to
talk to you anymore after this. Now as a mature runner, I do not wear compression socks or compression sleeves or anything. I just, I just, I do my strength training, I run and I do my recovery and I look after my cars because that's what gives me problems when I run high volume. I'm going to show you a photo that's four years old and it is of when I first started kind of running longer distances. That is what I was wearing. Oh, Liam, Liam in Randwick as well. I can see where it was.
So I'm looking I'm, I'm looking at a picture of fluorescent yellow compression socks with, with, with fluoro yellow decals on the shoes. I can't see the brand. Like they're a pair of they're Essex, they're like that. They're knee high. I ran the first time I did UTA 50. I ran it in those and I was like what? It just it hurts after a while. They're too tight, you know they. Did they not have a black pair or? We're, we're very different, Courtney. I'm well, look, look at me, look at me.
You're just I'll just go win the race. On that and I need a week just to take that in Liam. So on that note, I'll see you around. Hey, safe travels. We'll be back in person next week. Enjoy the pod, enjoy running. We'll see you then.