Grant Ellis: What The Bachelor Taught Me About Life, Love, and Success | E155

Kissing multiple women on the same night. How do you actually focus and get to know who you want to be with when there's 25 people that you're kissing?

Physical Chemistry is a big part. I had been single for a while. You know, some people are gonna say you're kissing too many people, but listen, I'm dating. I'm dating, and this is the way that I went about it. I became the bachelor, and now my family's a unit, and it's all centered around me and because they're excited. When did

you first learn that your mom had submitted an application? Where were you during that day? And what do you think? I was

at my computer training, and she called me in the morning. I talked to my dad, my mom, and I listened, son like you never know what happened. You could find your wife. And I listened. And then it led to

this. The best advice I have for the next Bachelor is

best advice I have is be yourself.

Welcome to a search of excellence, where I got to meet some of the most incredible, talented, successful and interesting people in the world. My guest today is Grant. Ellis grant is the star of the hit TV show The Bachelor, which airs on ABC at 8pm grand. Thanks for being here. Welcome to In Search of Excellence. Thanks for

having me. Man, it's an honor. Man, I've seen some of the guests you've had. You're doing an amazing job. So thank

you. All right, so we're gonna start the show a little different and gonna give you

the first impression roast. Thank you, man, I appreciate that. I'm gonna keep this in my back pocket for sure. Okay,

there you go. Appreciate that, man. So when was the last time you got a rose? It was on The Bachelorette. It was on years ago.

Yep, and then, you know, I was on there, got some roses, got dumped, and now I'm handing out the roses. So it's a different it's a difference. You know, that's awesome.

We're gonna go through a lot of lessons and life on the show, but I think one of the most important lessons in our life is taking advantage of opportunities as they come. So let's go through and tell us how, tell everyone how we met. Yeah, so

it's crazy. I was staying at the London and I was walking to the hotel, and I dropped my bag as the hotel is open. And then you asked me if I needed help, and I was like, Oh, I'm okay. And then you asked me, What am I doing? I was because I told you I had a stylist. And then you were like, well, what do you have a stylist for? And I was like, Well, I'm actually the Bachelor on ABC. And then you introduced me to your podcast and your company and what you're

right? One of the things that I teach in coach is you gotta do it now. So you got an opportunity. You're ready, obviously, I've gotta hit podcast. You meet all kinds of interesting people in LA. I was staying at the London hotel. The fires were raging everywhere. We evacuated, so I was with my family there. I think it was our my seventh night there, and I was actually checking out. I mean, all my luggage was in the car, so I were here in my last

grandmother was a big part, you know, she's obviously, I wouldn't be here if it wasn't for her, because she gave birth to my mother and but she also birthed a lot of she instilled a lot of things in us that were really pivotal in my life. You know, she taught me patience, she taught me how to be kind. She taught me about my faith, you know, and when things get hard, to pray, and that's something that she instilled in me. And then after the show, she

that was a great moment of the show, and a great way to kick it off. I want to talk about some of your family struggles. Your dad worked a lot. He had drug addiction problems, and you never ate dinner together as a family growing up. So what was that like when you were in a family of parents arguing? And how did that influence your future?

I'm gonna tell you one thing. It taught me how to be very focused, and it taught me how to be very ambitious, because the things that I lacked in my childhood, I wanted to make sure that when I grew up, I was able to supply all those things. So when my parents would argue or be frustrated, I would take out my frustration on a craft basketball so every time, you know, I'll get frustrated,

it. You said your mission in life is to be the man your father wasn't right. And

the and the powerful, it's powerful. And the man that he he is, you know, he taught me where my dad was lacking. He had strength. He was very compassionate, very affectionate, very emotional, his father. And the reason why he got into drugs was because his father passed away when he was 20 years old. My dad had a very successful business. He sold cars to Biggie, Smalls, Eddie Murphy, the Wu Tang Clan.

about on the show very much, kind of what you're like from ages three to 13. So kind of fill us in. Were you cool kid in school? Were you a jock popular with the girls? So

from ages three to 13, I was, I did band. You know, I What instrument you play, saxophone and a clarinet, and then I did a little bit of plays and things like that. My mom always put me in different things, whether it was Kumon or it was, you know, playing the drums or so, that's where I get

play the drums as well. Played

the drums, played the drums, clarinet, saxophone, a little bit of piano, a little bit, little bit everything. You know, music theory is something that I love. And, yeah, just just being all over the place, you know, you

have a kid in your house growing up, a drum kit. I had a drum kit, and

then we had a piano, and I used to go to, I used to play at the church a lot, so just mess around, nothing serious. You know, I

always want to play the drums. When I was 35 years old, I walked into Costco, and in college I bought myself sticks, and I blast. Rush is my favorite band. Neil pert considered, before he passed away, one of the greatest drummers ever, if not the best. And I play on the drums. And you know, you have a beer or two, or whatever, you're playing so hard, I remember the wood splintering just going up in the air as I'm as I'm playing the drums. About 35 years old, went in, taught myself how in my drum

got to do love. And you strike me as somebody who put, that's at, at 35 you know, you push yourself to do new things, and, you know, challenge your brain and challenge your mind. So that's that's something, that that's a that's a big thing I admire.

On your bio for the show, it says that you were a mama's boy jail, and you love poetry. So what does it mean to be a mama's boy and who's your favorite poet? So

to be a mama's boy, it just means my mom is really a source a lot of my strength, and it just means that I admire her her vulnerability and her strength, and the strength that a woman has to push through difficult situations. You know, a lot of times you see women in in positions where they really have to rely on their gut and how they feel and their intuition. So I really respect that for my mom. And, you know,

We're gonna talk about your new song later in the show. But do you have any favorite lyrics at all that you want to recite? Or, you know, a rap you want to recite right now? I don't come on. You can hit the rap right now. Okay, hit

a rap. Okay, give me. Give me a word. Let me see if I can. Do, okay, podcast, podcast, that's a difficult word. Okay, I'm on a podcast. I'm with Randall Kaplan, and I'm in a podcast. There's some drama on the show with the ladies. I told them to stop that, because at times it gets hard, at times it gets difficult, but in the end, if we win, it's something that we could all admire. I guess that's something. That's a that's a poetry right there, I guess didn't really run. But okay,

all right, let's talk about high school education. You went to a Catholic school, went

to a Catholic school. I went to a public school at first, and then I went to St Benedict's, which was an all boys private school. It was a basketball school. We were actually number two in the country in the country in basketball at that time. And then I transferred from there. When a coach left, I transferred to Hudson Catholic, which is a Catholic school, great point average. Uh, so listen, I was not always the best in school. I had like, a 2.90 I was not. It was very it was, I wasn't

then you went on to three or four different colleges. Why the various schools?

You know, basketball is a very political game, and there's certain things that happen. I actually my freshman year, I ended up getting sick, I had the red shirt, and then I came into my sophomore year a little bit behind the eight ball, and then I transferred to an HBCU Southern University in Louisiana, and I broke my fifth metatarsal in my foot, so I transferred there, and I finished out my career at Albertus Magnus in Connecticut.

Then you went to the Dominican Republic. And for those people who don't know that, it's a basketball Mecca, the baseball is the most popular sport in the Dominican Republic. And then it comes basketball football, which is soccer as well. But the league there is the Liga Nacional, the Bologna sesco. It's called the LMB, established in 2005 six teams in the league. You play three months a year, three it's a it's a tournament.

So there's different tournaments all throughout the country. And a lot of guys that play in the G league who G League, or a lot of guys that had short stints in the NBA. I had a season there when I was with Josh Shelby. I don't know if he played with Lebron, and there's a couple.

So how much money are you making? And tell us about the school busses you're traveling. And it's not like luxury coaches, where so

some of the top teams, which is Metro which is metros, Leones, and the team I was on, they have, they have really good busses. But the bottom teams are not other teams with the low budget. So the guys over there that are the top guys, the Americans, they make it anywhere from like 12,000 to 10,000 a month rookie contract. I was only making like 2500 a month when I came out of there my rookie I had to work my way

Spanish is a native language there. So, and I know you speak a little bit, I know you're communicating with some of the women. Quito. Where'd you learn Spanish?

My grandmother taught me a little bit of Spanish. And from being in the country, I know how to speak just certain foods, certain foods, and how to get directions. You know, because you'll get lost over there, and the locals over there, if you don't know Spanish, they'll try to nickel and dime you for, you know, try to get over on you. So you have to learn pretty fast you get

hurt there. What was the injury? So

I injured my shooting. I actually had surgery on this arm, because when I went baseline and I dunked and I cut my arm on the backboard, and you're up

there pretty high for cutting your arm on the backboard. I was up there pretty up

there pretty high. I was up there pretty high, and they it was a small cut, and they didn't clean it out properly, and it ended up developing into MRSA, and it went undetected for a while. And if I would have had that for another two or three weeks, it would have turned into sepsis, and I would have had to get my arm amputated. So that was something. And that was really traumatic in my life. And that wasn't when I was like, You know what? I think I'm gonna relax on

you finished playing. You're not getting $100 million contract in the NBA. No, no, no. Far from that, and you learned day trading. Was Josh Selby, day trading? Is that how you learned the craft? No.

So I actually did the research myself. You know, around that time, there was a big influx of knowledge around trading, and people were getting into the markets around the time of COVID. And my mentor, who I learned from him, I found him on YouTube, and I reached out to him, and he decided to teach me something. His name is ICT, which, that's his nickname he goes by, but he's on YouTube, and he was in the market for 30 years, and you know, he has some very controversial opinions on

now, you're trading what's known as S P futures. S P futures, what is the S P for those people who don't know? And what are futures for those people who don't know?

Yeah, so future the futures market is is trading the stock market as a whole. So you'll have the S P, the NASDAQ, the Dow Jones, and it's different than options, because there's no expiration date on your contract. So

go, go back a step. Okay, there's people who have no idea what we're talking about right now. Okay, so let's, let me jump it down a little bit. Let's,

let's go, Yeah, so basically, day trading, and trading the SMPS, you're trading some of the cop, the top companies in the United States as a whole. So the S P is the backbone to the to the financial markets. What the S P does along with interest rates? Well, what is the S P? S P is some of the best 500 companies that are in

And so when people talk about the market, they're talking about the S p5 100, which, again, is something that most people don't, don't

know. And there's different ways, like you could trade an individual stock, which would be Apple or Tesla or Amazon, or you could trade S P, which would be a conglomerate of all the companies in one

so you went all in on this for three years and lost all your money. How much money did you have and how much did you lose?

Well, I didn't lose everything, but I was pretty close. I didn't have good risk management, and I was really eager. And you know, when I started off, I didn't make a whole lot of money coming out. I had about $60,000 saved up from playing, and I decided to put some money into a an account and trade that. What I should have done was trade demo, but I was really eager, you know, trade a demo account, which is not live funds to learn, but I was really

lot out there about day trading, and the stats show that 80 and 90% of all day traders lose their money, go out of business, Yes, correct. So when you're looking at your what you're up to, was there a better option? And did you understand the risk and say, Do I really want to do this?

I think that I definitely understood the risk. But I'm a little bit naive, in a sense. I believe in myself a lot. You know, I believe in myself so much that I'll go on a show and never, never perform and do it, you know, and or do something where you know, it's how much I have self believe in.

you measure your return? Or have you measured returning each year? Because when we think about money managers and managing our own capital, no one. Beats the market long term, right? Warren. Warren Buffett is the only person who's beat over 30 years. If you're not working or seeing someone in Omaha, Nebraska, and you're randomly meeting to them, you're not going to find the next one. So have you measure your returns and what have their returns been year by year?

So I don't really get into my returns, because I am, you know, over a span of five to 10 years, if I could do five to 8% annually, I would be really happy with that, and basically not beat the S P, but just go along with the S P.

Well, that's way under the S P, the S P average over the last 20 years, 10.4% point 4% tax efficient. So you're now getting hit on the day trading the

taxes. But if you can get access to more capital, the more capital you have, you don't have to have as large of returns. If I have access to $300,000 and I do 10% through the year, you know, that's $30,000 if I have access to $3 million and I do a 10% year, it's a lot more money. So the key is more capital, and then the way you beat taxes is you just allocate in different areas. There's there's ways to do it, and there's ways to not beat taxes, but to lessen the blow that they take on you. Are

all right, he said, if you're not willing to hold the stock for 10 years, don't even think about holding it for 10 seconds. Yeah.

But there's things that you know change. There's things that changed ever since, you know, 2030, years ago, the market 4050, even 50 years ago, the market is a digital market. Now it's electronic. And you know, you could hold the stock for 10 years, or you could read the charts and you could hold the stock for maybe a year, or you could read the charts and you could try to hold the stock or hold the position for five

Bitcoin? Do you think it's a good investment? And do you have any predictions on where it's gonna be five years from

now? I don't touch crypto. I don't touch crypto. I stick strictly with the S and p5 100. I think that's the smartest move. You know, I think crypto is a way to make money fast but when you get in that mentality of making fast money, then you start gambling. So I would much rather have a larger pool of capital and just take small pieces and just build that up over a loan. So I don't touch crypto. I don't know. I couldn't even tell you where trading at

right now. You know, what's so interesting to me is, you think that's gambling, but day trading is not gambling. But if you look at all the pundits, everyone says day trading is gambling. Humans

are interesting. You know, they will ride a wave or everybody, I think you can't speak on day trading unless you have skin in the game more than three to five years. Then you could tell me, it's gambling. If you go in there and you try it for three months or a year and you lose a bunch of money, you're gonna be like, Oh, this is, this is, this is gambling.

been day trading now six or seven years. What's a professional dream? So,

you know, to start a hedge fund is probably my number one goal. Like, obviously, the opportunities that come with being a bachelor are great, you know, but I'm, I'm not really an influencer. I put so much effort into trading, and so much of my skin and so much of my so much of my mental into the game that I'm never gonna stop that's I want to be the best, and I think that's something that I'll never stop

So a lot of the listeners and viewers to the show have no idea what a hedge fund is. So can you tell everyone what it is and the economics of it and how hedge fund managers make money?

Yeah. So a hedge fund is basically just you're acquiring pools of liquidity or pools of money, and you're telling your investors where to allocate their money. And. And you'll just charge a commission or fee for for the deal, you know. So if I, if I give you a 10% return on your investment, I will just charge a fee for that. And like I said, the way you make money is in a numbers game.

and tell people how the fee structure two and 20 works for the hedge fund manager, and how all these hedge fund managers become rich.

Yeah, like I said, it's just for it's a numbers game, you know, for for me, it would be a numbers game in terms of how I'm going to charge and how I'm going to allocate my different my different funds. But yeah, that's something that I have in the works now. And yeah, I'm still a good three, three to four years off from from really structuring that

the term hedge fund was originally coined because a hedge was a non correlated class to the market, right, to hedge your bet, right? So today it's a misnomer, yeah, because you have all these funds who basically do the same thing as the mutual fund. So instead of paying a 2% feature and 20% of the profits, you could buy a mutual fund where the average expense ratio, how much cost to run the fund, is 1% right?

rather have that, yeah, and I think there's, you know, with hedging, there's so many different ways to do it, and there's so many different models to have. So finding one that you you feel best suits you is is really important. I

think so much of what we do professionally is our mental state and how we go into it. But we love to read books as well. To see how we learn is one way to learn. So your favorite book is the psychology of money. Talk to us about what you learned from that book, and you still practice those each day and say, oh gosh, I'm having a shitty trading day. Got to go back to the book and got to help it bring me in a little bit. Yeah,

100% I think the main thing that I learned from that and the psychology aspect was just that trading is not a short term game, it's a long term game, and if you could master that concept and stack your wins and master yourself in the psychological aspect, you'll be able to get those returns. So that that book was very pivotal in my learning and trading in the markets, because at a certain time I was rushing, I

Let's talk about relationships now. We're gonna spend a lot of time talking about it. How old were you when you had your first crush on a girl? What was your name and did you do anything?

Man, I was pretty young. I watched the movie love don't cost a thing with Nick Cannon and Christina milion, and that's when I had my first crush. I don't remember how old I was, but I know I wasn't old enough to drive or have a beer. I'll tell you that much, you know. So I was pretty young.

My first crush, kindergarten, first grade, Jill blade, I remember, so pretty I stuttered. So I wasn't the cool kid. And this guy, Todd, Fink, who was in our class, could draw all of these battleships. Okay, that's great. So I try to say, Okay, well, if I can learn from Todd, who is my best friend back, then I could draw you battleships, right? Maybe Jill will even give me the time of day and she'll talk to me, right, right? Did you learn how

Okay, okay, yeah, that's funny.

Man, how old were you when you had your first kiss? Man,

this is gonna sound crazy, but I remember my first kiss was. It was, like a playful thing. It was during nap time. It was, like, honestly, in kindergarten, and I gave this girl a kiss on the cheek. I remember we were, you know, because we had nap time. I went to a school called Good Shepherd Christian Academy, and we were having our nap time, and I got up, and I remember I gave her like a teddy bear, and I kissed her on the cheek, and that was my first kiss that I ever

had. All right, not counting that one, not counting that one doesn't count lip to lift kiss. How old were you?

Maybe like, 12 or 13, maybe in that in that range, you know. Now I don't really remember that that far into it, you know. I remember the kindergarten, but I don't remember, like, my first actual, my first actual kiss, like that.

Are you comfortable sharing first time you were intimate with another woman? So

a lot of my high school career, I focus on basketball, you know, I remember, I always, probably, probably, like, late teens, honestly, late teens, you know, and then going into college, not

gonna ask you her first name, by the way,

yeah, I'm not gonna. But, and then going into college, I met a wonderful woman, and we ended up getting into a really serious relationship, and that was my first relationship. It ended up being seven years. Yeah, and that taught me a lot about what love is, and that is more than just a word, it's an action, and taught me a lot of things about myself that I needed to work on.

You broke up a lot. You're on, you're off, you're on, you're off. I see so many people staying too long in a relationship, when is the right point where someone should say, This isn't working? I have an investment in for years, and it's time to just move on. I

say there's two factors, a, when you start to lose yourself, when you start to negate your goals and your priorities, and then two or B would be when you start to it's good to prioritize somebody, right? But when you start to let go of your interests and lose yourself in that relationship, I think that it's time to leave

there's a moment on the second show of the batch of the season where all these women are waiting around. They're in the mansion when this tall, good looking woman runs in all women are like, Oh, my God, oh my God. Is that the ex girlfriend? That's my sister, your sister. She's a model, she's a model, and you guys are tight. Yeah,

we're super close, man, we're so it's crazy because we're we're different, but we're the same in a lot of ways. And I think the one thing that we bond over is our childhood. We both went through the same things together, so we have our differences, but the one thing that we always are locked in over is what we went through and and how it forged our personalities into the adults we are today.

One of the reasons why we're here is because want to promote the show. You want to give your sister a plug what you're working on and, you know, just give her a

shout out, kind of, yeah, shout out to you, sis. I love you. You You know, keep doing your thing. She actually just went to Paris Fashion Week, so I hope she brought me back some, some drip. You know, I would like that. Okay,

there you go. I'm sure right now you can get your own drip. Yeah, I don't think you need your sister.

I don't, I don't. But, you know, listen, Paris Fashion Week is a dope adult weekend.

Are people now sending you free shit? Like, are you getting people just sending it your publicist or ABC, and everyone's just like, okay, man, I want grant to wear this. Wanted to wear it on the show. Or,

well, you know, we filmed the show prior, but people do send stuff, you know. And obviously, you know, it's, it's a business, you know. But I enjoy seeing, you know, what the companies are sending it. Like I said, I'm enjoying it. I'm enjoying getting free stuff. You know, it's the first time that I've ever been have anything sent to me free. You know,

it's cool. Some people have sent me some cool stuff just for my show. They know I love the shoes. I'm into the kicks. Got some pickleball rackets. Selkirk hula, I've had that number one player men and women on my show too. So it's kind of cool. Yeah, it's super cool. Man, it's super cool. Yeah, so, after the seven years, you date a woman for one and a half years, and then you went on the apps, yeah? So, what apps were you on? And how did that go?

Yeah, I so, you know, I was, I did. So after the seven and a half year relationship, I was single for a long time because I really put everything into that relationship. And I tried, you know, hinge, I try, but it's just wasn't me, you know, I think that okay, so

you're on hinge, hinge, yeah. Hinge is like, throwing your picture up there. Yeah, yeah.

Hinges for people that are looking for like, like relationship, but, you know, a lot of times things don't work out. And then for me, I'm more of like, an in person. I want to sit down and have a conversation in person, because it's different. So did that for a while. Didn't really go on any dates from it. And then, you know, I was dates from now. I didn't, you know, I wasn't

She go to church on a regular basis.

I don't, I don't go to church on a regular basis. I'm not overly religious. You know, I like music, you know, I have drinks here and there. Even see when I show you I'm kissing and I'm dating. And you know, I know that nobody's perfect. You don't have to go to church every every week. You know you don't have to go to church every week. But the main thing I try to do is I try to read my word because that's how I when I'm confused and I don't know what to do. That's where my foundation comes

why. So you mentioned you're confident, and we see that out of the show, but you're not cocky either. And I think there's a fine line there. When you were single, were you one of these guys that could just kind of slither up to a woman and ask her out, no problem? Or were you nervous when you just go up to some strange woman. No, I don't ever get nervous, you know. I know. I have that never when you were younger, and you just would walk up to some girl. I don't

get nervous. I think that because I was raised around women, I, you know, I know how to talk to women, and I don't have the, I don't always have to have the intention of,

Our confidence grows as we get older and are more successful. But I went when I think back to my teens and my college years, we'd have to throw down some Bruce keys to have the courage to go up to a woman, right? And I had a pickup line, you know? We said, Okay, what do you what's a good pickup line? And I determined the best one was, are those your shoes?

All right, hey, listen, that's, that's a conversation starter. It's a

conversation starter, yeah, and it's, it's, it's weird, right? What is funny? It's funny. Yeah,

you never know what's gonna work. I don't really have any pickup lines. I I never, really, I never went in there with like, a pickup line. I just make conversation and then you want to drink, you know, like, what's your favorite drink? I'll get it for you. Don't worry about it, you know. And that's a conversation starter. All right,

we're leading up to the bachelor, but it started with the Bachelorette. You were on season 21 and how did that come about? Yeah,

my mom signed me up, so for the Bachelorette, for the bat. So in order to become the bachelor, you have to be the on The Bachelor,

right? So I'm talking about the Bachelorette. How did the bachelorette come about?

Yeah, she my mom signed me up for the Bachelor. Right for that too. No, I'm saying you don't sign up for the Bachelor in order to I see, yeah, in order to be the bachelor, you have to first be on The Bachelorette. So my, my mom saw the Bachelorette, or she saw the first golden bachelor, and she signed me up for the Bachelorette, which was the next season, right?

Yeah, the golden bachelor was last year. Was Gary. Yeah, that was a 72 year old man. Retire, retire. Yup, marriage lasted three months. Yep,

it's, and listen, it's, everybody's relationship is different. You know, things happen differently. You know, some people fall, fall off, some people stay strong, and everybody's at different points

in their life. So Jen, Tran was the Bachelorette, right? And you were sent home, I think, with five people to go, right? You cried. Yes,

I did. I was a little baby right there.

Why do you view that as a baby? Um,

you know, I honestly. I think vulnerability is important, honestly. And, you know, people may look at that and like you just met this woman, but when you go on there, I just, I just got off, I just got out of a seven year relationship. I just spent a whole year and changed being single, and then I went on to a dating show where, you know, it's, it's a nationally televised thing. So when that happened, you know, I was a

Why are so many men afraid to cry and show their emotions? I've cried on my show many times. I think people here will tell you that I've had a large number of my guests cry on my show, but it's something that we try to hold in because it's not macho. I think

that a lot of men try to come off as, you know, like strong and, and, which is

pull up to a stop sign or a light when you're in your car, you got a fancy car, and we're gonna talk about your Ferrari in a minute. So people are looking at your car, they're like, dude, man, I've got a Tesla plant, but I sit there and you're like, All right, we're gonna see who's faster. All right, so even if you're not willing to race, you're not even thinking about it. Some guy floors it. Our competitive instinct kicks in, right? It's all you hit it, don't you? Right out of the gate.

I've never, I've never, I'm really careful with my car. I'm really careful. I'm a bit of a when it comes to that. I'm a bit of a stickler. But I think, what if, in terms of, like, guys being competitive, I guys are really, you know, you ever been in a gym and you're benching and somebody tries to bench more than you, or you're on the boxing bag, and guys try to, like, you know, they try to see, they try to measure up. I think it's just in

and when you're on The Bachelorette, right? You're sitting there and you got a bunch of good looking, great guys, there isn't a competition, even if you're not in it at this point, to find your spouse. You're looking around a man like, I just want to win.

I didn't. That didn't really cross my mind for me, winning was like, because I didn't look at it like, I'm winning, you know, I was just trying to form a connection with somebody. And,

yeah, but there is that human element. I mean, you see it on the show, right? I

think, I think the main where that comes in is night one, when you meet all the guys and everybody's talking about their jobs and this and that, and, yeah, there's a little bit of like, chess poking out. But me, I'm like, I try to, I stay quiet. You know, I stay quiet because I think that this the strongest men are the ones

countries like Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, India, arranged marriages are the norm. So someone sets you up. You're paying. Aaron, and you're saying you are married that person. You have no choice. You've never met them, you've never slept with them. You don't know anything about them. Isn't the bachelor and bachelorette kind of the same thing. Here's 25 people, and you're really they're preordained. You're going to find somebody, and it's going to be one of the 25

Yeah. I mean, that's an interesting way to look at it, but it, you know, sometimes people hit it off. You know, sometimes you really, you find your person. And I think that it's all about where you're

the bachelor started in 2002 It's a hit show. We're in season 29 right now. When did you first learn that your mom had submitted an application? Where were you during that day? And what are you thinking I was

I was at my computer training, and she called me in the morning, and at first I, you know, because in order to go on the show, you got to freeze your accounts, and then you gotta be away from the market for three months. And I was in a groove, and I was like, man. But then I talked to my dad and my mom and like, Listen, son. Like, you never know what's gonna happen. You can find your wife. And, you know, we see how focused you are. You need to take a break, and you need to

He said two things. You said, I want to find my future wife, and it's a once in a lifetime opportunity. What's the opportunity

that in itself, finding your partner, you know, finding your partner, but there's also, there's also you, you go on the show to find your person. But you know, it's inevitable that things come from it. You know, there's a whole bunch of things that come from it, but you have to keep your relationship, your relationship. Are you looking for a relationship with priority? Because people could sense when you're not genuine. You have to

but you have to be considering before you're on the show. Hey, good things are going to happen to me. Were you thinking about that? And what are some of the good things that are happening to you now, now that the show is filmed. Yeah,

it's that's inevitable. You know, I listen. I went to the NASDAQ. I met I watched the company have their IPO COVID. That's what I'm saying. I'm like, I watched this market flexible every day. So those are some of the things like you. I didn't think about that in the future, but when you know the press Run, when these opportunities or these things are coming, I'm like, Wow. You know, this is opportunity for me to really make connections, and, you know, show them that and

Did you want to be famous when you were a kid? And do you want to be famous now?

I don't think, I think that fame is, you know, a gift and a curse. I think that, you know, people are in your business, people always have opinions about you. I think that there's a solace that comes with being kind of private. I was a very private person before. I mean, my Instagram had one profile picture so, but I always knew I had, you know, I always knew I was talented, you know, I could dance, I could do certain things, and I think it's just

interviews did you have to have to actually be on the show and who's interviewing you? So

you have to, you go through, there's a process that you go through to be on the show, to be interviewed. You go through like, three interviews, three or four interviews.

What level are we talking about? The president of ABC finally getting in there, or someone a little lower down on the when

you're when you're in the process of going on The Bachelorette. It's some producers and, you know, some EPs and things of that. But then, you know, there's when you're in the interview to become the lead. It's a, there's a there's a hierarchy that you

are one on one interviews, and how many are there, and what's the length of time that this process is going

on. Some of them are via zoom. Some of them are in person, but I would say it's, I would say, about a month. And

do they tell you? All right, you passed the first round, the second round, and now there's five, and you're a finalist. And are you going home worrying? Man, I got to compete with five other people. No,

no, no, it's very much. Call, you know, we like you call. Okay, you're gonna be on call. Okay, pack your bags. You're leaving in, you know, saying you're leaving here, you're leaving in two weeks, you know. So it's two weeks, I don't have a specific time period, but that's just Yeah, but it's how long before

you get it? Do you start the show? Is it two weeks? You gotta Yeah?

About a probably about a month, anywhere between three weeks, you know. And that range, a month, three weeks range.

So who called you? Actually called you and say, Hey, Grant you're it sometimes,

you know, I have a really, you know, I have really, really close relationship with some of the EPS. And it's, you know, the EPS that call

what kind of preparation is involved for the show? Do you take public speaking? I mean, you're a very articulate, well spoken person, but there has to be some awkwardness in front of the camera following you around. I mean, you did it on The Bachelorette, but I'm new to the podcast and, well, I'm not new to the podcasting world, but I'm new to holding the camera in front of my face. It's awkward. I feel very silly Instagram Live. I feel silly you doing training for the show. I never

really I think that just press from playing basketball I was able to like I know how to speak, but I'll tell you, the most awkward thing is, when I'm, like, having to document my life, like, you know you're going to restaurant, like, Oh, me eating my food, or I never, I never was really into that. So that's probably the most awkward thing for me. But in terms of speaking, I don't really, I don't know. I just, I don't really struggle with that.

on it. When you're on the show and they're filming a restaurant scene, I noticed sometimes you got the whole place to yourself, but are you walking in with a camera crew to a restaurant or a crowded place, and it's awkward, everyone's looking at you, and it's just like hard to just not be embarrassed.

Yeah, that's awkward. But the most awkward part is when you're having a really intimate moment with somebody, and you know you're engaged in a kiss, and you know that it's the cameras there that's probably, that's probably the most awkward moment. And then two, you know, on the show, you know, they do such a good job. They want all the important moments to be, to happen and to

contests on the show, ages 21 to 31 various professional got a venture capitalist. You've got a influencer who brought her llama into the show, which is the weirdest thing ever, but makes for good TV. Do you see the bios of the women on the show before you get there? No,

no. Nothing about them. Nothing you know, nothing. The first time that you meet the lovely ladies there is night one.

Meet them. Night One, we pull up to a limo, for those people who haven't seen the show. You hop

out the limo, and then you stand there, and then you wait for, you wait for all the ladies to come and with their entrance, and that's, that's where there's nerves.

They all do some, like, funky stuff, yeah, like someone brought you a crystal basketball. And, you know, some of this stuff is like, okay, come on, right? But they put a lot of thought into it. What was your favorite one? I

think I'm an animal lover. So I like, I love the llama. You know, I'm happy I didn't get spin on. I'm happy that that didn't happen. But I'm an animal lover, man, I love animals. So that was probably one of my most favorite entrances, and that was

the first row was the first solo date. Yeah, the first row was the first solid date. Yep, when you were single, did you date multiple women at the same time? Never,

I never. I'm I am a one relationship type of guy, like, you know, I like commitment. I like the stability that comes with that. And it's a lot of, you know, I trade so I'm already emotionally like, it's stressful. So I. It's a high stress situation where you have to sort things out and deal with different personalities and remember certain things, and it's very difficult.

You're kissing multiple women on the same night who are back to back to back, touching them, hugging them. You know, feeling a little bit a little tushy action on a couple of these. I mean, it's hard to do. How do you actually focus and get to know who you want to be with when there's 25 people that you're kissing?

I think that physical chemistry is a big part. You know, I like I said, I had been single for a while, so I was ready, you know, to really find my person. And I feel like, you know, you could tell a lot about a person. You know, some people are gonna say you're kissing too many people. But listen, I'm dating. I'm dating, and this is the way that I went about it, a lot of kissing, though it's a lot, it is a lot

different kinds of kissers. Some you got the chemistry. Some you you have the chemistry. I mean, we're not going to get into who's who, but did you ever kiss one of the women? You're like, yuck. No, I was

never like yuck. I think that all the ladies were, they were, they were really amazing, you know, I'll give kisser. They're all they were all good kissers. You know, they were all good kissers. All. We all had fresh breath. We all were on point, you know,

taking the I was, yeah, I was the minutes before, because the

night is long, the night is long and, you know, you're drinking and I'm giving speeches and I'm talking. So I had, I had some, some minutes, I had some Tic Tacs on deck.

When I was single, I could tell if I was sexually attracted to someone in a millisecond, right? Isn't that the case for you? I mean, you got all these women. I mean, I could tell on the show you introduced the woman, I saw it, and I guessed where we were going to be, and I was like, 75% right? Is grant gonna like these girls based on their physical appearance? Didn't you know in a millisecond who you'd be interested in? Yeah, it's

interesting, because the audience could tell better than I could tell. You know, I was in this place where I because I know that there's two ways in a relationship. There's a spark and there's a slow burn. So it's like you could think that you're not, you know, you could be on a scale of one to 10. You could be attracted to somebody, maybe, like a six in the range of Not, not their attracting this, but how, how much you're attracted

of the most common questions about the show is, at the end of the show, there's three finalists left. You go into the Fantasy Suite. You're spending a night with these women. So one of the questions is, are you having sex on multiple nights with all three women?

Yeah, I try to, you know, I kiss a lot, but I handle myself the way and fantasy suites the way that I would want. But I had a daughter the way I want her to be treated. So I didn't, you know, I'm not going to divulge anything, but I handle myself with respect, and I treated the woman with respect. So that's the main thing

I can't imagine. It must be mental torture. You're one of three finalists on the show. You know that grant is going into the Fantasy Suite, and the worst things are going through your mind, that grant is having sex with this woman and that woman and that woman that just must be an absolute killer for these women. Yeah,

I think so. I think that is definitely a deal breaker in relationship, because sex is something that is really important, and if you know that the person with his experience in that with other people, it could, it could ruin the whole relationship. So I definitely tried to keep that in mind, and that was a focal point in how I was thinking. And you know, you try to do this thing to make the relationship, if there is one, to make it last after the show. So

the show stopped filming in October, and the final is going to be in March. We're not going to tell people the date. ABC is going to make it big thing. Here's the finale. So you got five months between the winner. Whatever happens, we're not gonna spoil that either. What happens? But you're either engaged, you're probably engaged to the woman, the winner. You got five months, but

if there is an engagement, there's a way that ABC handles it, you know, they keep a secret tunnels under the Yeah, maybe, maybe some secret tunnels, maybe some things of that nature. But they keep us happy. If there is somebody, you know, and I know, through, you know. Talked to Joey, you know, he told me the process. And Joey, Joey Garza, graziade, the last bachelor. So he told me, and I really learned through

we're thinking about relationships and what makes them successful. Let's talk about some of those things. Do professions matter, and do you want your wife to work full time before and after you have kids and the same to you, if your wife is a breadwinner, if your wife is the breadwinner and you want to stay home with the kids, what? What are you thinking? Yeah,

so this is an area that I'm not that knowledgeable on, because, you know, my whole life I've been I've been like, I'm gonna be the one. I'm gonna do this. I'm gonna do that, because that's what I had to do. So, but I do know, whatever my wife wants to do, she wants to work full time she can. She doesn't. We're gonna be we're gonna be fine either way. So whatever makes her happy, I think that's the direction I'm gonna go. And yeah, but listen, I haven't supported her family

I got married to my amazing wife, Madison, or beneath the Hupa, which is where Jewish people get married. And he said, the three, the two most important words in a relationship is, I'm sorry.

I think that you could correlate that to sacrifice. I'm sorry, sacrifice. They're synonymous. They're like, basically, you know, in order to, in order to, you know, say I'm sorry, even if you feel like you're right, you gotta be like, You know what? Maybe I mean, you know, for the sake of the relationship, maybe I'll, you know, I'll apologize. And sometimes you don't want to sleep in the same room, you gotta, you know, you gotta, you gotta, or you got, or you don't want to talk, you gotta, you

most important aspects of a relationship in a marriage is being on the same page with money. So I've seen it lots of different ways. You know, the man comes with money, or the women comes in with money. Sometimes the partners will talk to one another, and here's what I have, here's what I have. You want to be on the same page? Some don't it's secret. What's your view on that, dude? Are you and your future wife going to say, Okay, we're gonna lay it out money wise. Here's what we have so you

Yeah, I think there's, you know, there's a world where you have maybe a joint account, and there's a world where you have your own finances. You know, whatever she's making from what she brings in, she keeps that. Whatever I'm making from what I bring, I keep that. But then I also could allocate, you know, maybe 10% a month, or 5% a month we put into a joint account, and that would be for maybe future kids, or down payment on a house

to take care of you. Million percent. Are you good with money?

Listen, I am a trader. I'm not the best. I have to learn money management in terms of spending, you know, I know how to make money, but 90% of the game is keeping it, you know, and being able to, being

are 50 to 100 Ferraris sold in Houston every year. You have a Ferrari f8 spider, where the retail price of that car is $324,738 that responsible? No, it's not responsible.

It's not responsible. That's what I said. I'm not the i. I, you know, coming from, where I where I come from, and some of the things I've been through, it's like, as a young black man, when you get some money, you want to be like, I made it, you know. And I think that I learned from that, and I think that that's why I don't wear chains like that. I don't wear really

when I got divorce many years ago, you know, I have three young kids, six, six and four. We had a minivan. It was black, Toyota Sienna. It was scratched and dented. But that was my daily car, not the coolest car in the world. So I bought myself a four door Maserati quatra port, which was awesome. That became my daily car when I wasn't with the kids. And a lot of Yip Yap in the community saying that the nice car was trying to compensate for something I lacked, physically. People,

people are gonna talk man. People, that's one thing I'll learn. And it doesn't matter. We're

not gonna can we name what that is on the show? Can Can we call it what it is? What do you mean? They call it a small penis car? Oh, yeah, trying to compensate, compensate for your lack of endowment, right,

right, right? I mean, that's not, I don't, I don't have any issues in that area. But I what I will say that people, people are always going to talk. You know, people are going to talk. You know, whether you're doing great or you're doing bad, they're going to say something. So, you know, I'm sure that, I'm sure that, you know, you're not trying to compensate. You know, neither am I. When

you walk around Beverly Hills and you're walking down Rodeo Drive, you got these guys revving the engines and their Lamborghinis and their Ferraris in Houston, there's Westheimer road and the Galleria are the kind of the two main drags There you go on in there, and you're revving the engine as you're driving by

No Honestly, I listen, my car that I drive every day is an Acura, driving Acura, you know, 2019 TLX. Don't rev my engine. And when I see that, I don't judge, you know, I don't, I don't, I don't really, you know, I made a purchase because it's a dream of mine. And my dad was an exotic car dealer, like, I had pictures with my dad where he's with Eddie Murphy, and we're inside the shop, and he's, you know,

When I grew up, I didn't have a lot of money. And I go to the Porsche dealership every year, I sit in a Porsche 911 company goes public. I can afford the car. And I waited some time too, because, oh shit, like $107,000 for this Porsche. That's that's a lot of dough. And so couple things I remember. I got the car, and first day, I took it home, and I washed the car, and I dropped this big bucket. I thought, okay, it's great. And the bucket was round, and it has still this little round den on

some situations like that, and it's definitely tough when you're going through a rough neighborhood, and you know what they call that run from it's like you're an easy lick, like they look at you, like the like they could get you, you know. So you gotta be, gotta be prepared. You know,

the average length of a relationship that someone lives together before they get married is 2.8 years thoughts on how long you're gonna live with your fiance before you

get married. That's not the average length of the relationship that's living together, that's living together, yeah, I think that's, that's

sorry, right on, sorry. That's the average length of dating before they become engaged, before that.

Okay? Uh, yeah, I think that. Listen, I'm not Dr Phil, but I think that that's good. That's a good that's a good time frame. You know, some people move faster than others. Some people move slower. You know, it's just about how you feel and where you're at in your life. If you're like in your mid 20s, 2524 you might take a little long. But if you're third in your 30s, you know, you might if you find a person and things, you know, just depends on where you're

at. I was single for seven and a half years. I had a relationship for two of those years, so I had five years. It was craziness, you know, you're in LA and I was working a lot, running three different companies, and very focused on my kids as well. You know, I'm divorced. Home for dinner every night, pick them up from school when I had them 5050, cut. See. And it was, it

Never, really, never really looked into it with like, a pessimistic mindset. You know, I'm usually pretty optimistic on things, and I'm not going to go into it thinking, you know this, I'm 50% fail, you know, I'm just going to do my best, and if it doesn't work out, then it just wasn't meant to be. So, yeah, that's pretty much, that's, that's all

you look at the success of The Bachelor on a long term relationship basis over 28 season. Here are the stats, 22 engagements, several marriages, and only two remain married, right? You know that going into the show? Uh,

I didn't, I didn't know that going on show. I know, but looking, look at the stats of how marriage is in America today, so I think it's, I think it's a, if you ask me, I think it's a core value issue. You know, people, people grow apart, which I understand. People grow at different paces, develop different interests, different hobbies, viewpoints might change, but you know, commitment

Do you ever get any pressure from the producers on the show and say, Grant man, This better work out, because it's not gonna look good when the show ends if you don't get engaged. No,

no. Because, like I said, regardless, you can go on there and be Shakespeare. Somebody's gonna tell you that you're not saying the right things. You can go on there and do everything right. It's always gonna be opinions, and that's what just happens when you're in the spotlight. So whether it doesn't work out, whether it does work out, you just gotta be yourself 60. Yourself. Sit to your heart, sit to your gut. Be good person and let the chips fall where they fall.

Aren't all 25 women on their best behavior when they're sitting in there having time with you. Um, listen,

they they may be with you, but you could judge somebody's character by how they interact with other people.

So you watch them interact with other people, because when all the cattiness is going on, you're not

in the room, Yeah, but you're could be on Date group dates. You know, there's times when you get to assess the situation and be and be vigilant, you know, and just check out like what's going on. But I'm not going to say, you know, best behavior is there. They all want to find a partner, and they're there for you. So when they're with you, they're gonna try to connect. But you, you know, if somebody is not getting along with this person, you can start to see, okay, why?

know what's going on behind the scenes on the show, the backstabbing and all the Riff Raff going on? You

don't know. You don't know what's going on. You kind of have to, you're in, you're in a little dark spot. You're in a little blind spot, and you have to, you have to take context clues.

There is competition for the show. All the women want to be the one, and just like in the real world, people are going to basically, sometimes shit on someone else to try to make themself look better. And you were on a solo date, and one of the women said, Okay, someone told you that you were really into her, I forget the exact words, and she was all very uncomfortable about that.

Yeah, that was something that, you know, because my word is something I try to really stand on, and that's my character, you know, I'm not gonna say, first of all, I think that was probably the that's a bad move personally, and just all around to say that. So I like, that's something I wouldn't do. But I also, I accepted her apology, and we had a connection. So even though that dampered it a little bit. I wanted to see if, you know, give

isn't that someone's true character? I mean, that just is not smart you're on the show, you're taking a massive risk, and how do you know that isn't. Someone's character in general? Yeah,

definitely. It definitely makes you, especially when you're first meeting someone, it definitely makes you question, and then to you want to allow a little more time for things to unfold, for things to unfold, to see, was that really said? Was that really, you know, did care? Did somebody say something different. Was there a mix up? So, you know, thinking logically, you know, maybe you send that person home the same night. But also, you know, you have to hear let the story

was dating Madison, we went to Greece after one month, and at this point, I've been single for a long time and just wasn't ready to mess around anymore. I want to get married. I want to have more kids. And she was living in New York, and so there was a woman in LA who was interested in me, and I was interested in her, and I asked my buddy, John turzin, who's going to be on my show tomorrow, by the way, amazing guy, age would group shout out to John. I said, you know, do

Yeah? And then if somebody does something that doesn't align with your character, like, if that's not something you would do, and somebody's doing, it probably not gonna work out, you know? So that's a good way to tell, yeah, no one's perfect. Nobody's perfect. Everyone makes mistakes. Everybody makes mistakes. As a fact, you have a bucket

list. And one a bucket list is you want to travel to as many countries as possible, right? What are the top five things on your bucket list? In addition to that, travel plan, start

a hedge fund, have a family. In addition to traveling, try all different food groups. I think that's something.

What's one food group that you haven't tried? I've had

a little bit of Indian food, but just the basic butter, chicken, garlic naan. I want to try different foods in that category, spicy, spicy. I like spicy. I like spicy food. I like spicy food. Yeah, those would be, like my top three things, probably, all

right, we're at the end of the show. And I always finish a show with a game I call. Fill in the blank to excellence. Are you ready to play? I'm ready. The biggest lesson I've learned in my life is biggest

lesson I've learned in my life is to forgive. My number one professional goal is my. Number one professional goal is to start a hedge fund. My number one personal goal is my. Number one personal goal is to learn how to love better. My biggest regret is my biggest regret. I don't I don't have regrets. I just I don't have regrets. My biggest fear is. My biggest fear is not living up to my potential.

The biggest mistake I've made in my life is

biggest mistake I made in my life up until this point, was probably where I committed to college, honestly, probably

where I committed to college. Why do you consider that a mistake? Because

I had a lot of I had a lot of offers, and I rushed it. I was young, didn't have the right guidance. And looking back at it as a 31 year old man, I would have took my time and assessed the situation and made the break the right

decision. Is education critical to our future success? I think education is

very critical. I think the traditional route of education is changing, but I think furthering your knowledge is critical. You have to learn you have to learn new things. You have to always push yourself, but you don't. This is maybe a controversial take. School is important, but with the use of the Internet and today, you can learn how to be an entrepreneur, how to be a businessman, and how to handle yourself through different people that are online. You know,

the biggest challenge I faced in my life is biggest challenge I

faced in my life was learning how to forgive, learning how to forgive and deal with inner, inner struggles that I

had. The most prideful moment in my life has been most prideful

moment in my life was an argument I had with my father, and I said some really mean things, because I was hurt, and I forgot that he's the one that gave birth to me, you know, so that I had some pride there, the craziest thing that's ever happened to me is. Craziest thing ever had to me was becoming the bachelor. The funniest thing that's ever happened to me is funniest thing has ever happened to me. I was I was like, eight. I was eight

best advice I've ever received is to go with your heart. The worst advice I've ever received is don't get into day training. 10 years from now, I'm going to be

doing, hopefully I'm with, you know, I have a family, building a life, and just enjoy enjoying my life. 20 years from now, I'm going to be doing, probably getting a knee replacement surgery.

The best advice I have for the next Bachelor is best

advice I have is be yourself. Be yourself, and, yeah, just always be yourself.

If you could pick one trait that would lead to somebody's success, it is perseverance. The one thing I've dreamt about doing for a long time but haven't is one thing I've dreamt about doing

for a long time but haven't is travel to every country there is. If

you could go back and give your 21 year old self one piece of advice, what would it be? Get into trading earlier 100% if you could be one person in the world, who would it be? LeBron James, if you were President Trump, what's the next thing you would do in office tomorrow?

Man, listen, I am not a student politics. You know, I have no comment on that. No comment. Controversial, controversial. I listen. I'm very, I'm like, very immediate training. Okay? I would invest money into people that work in unions, you know, the middle class. I think it's the backbone of our society and really make sure they're taken care

of. You mentioned media training. How much media training do you have for the show? There are some

media training, but there's some, you know, they prep you on certain things are gonna happen. But ultimately, when you're on the sea, it's up to you to say whatever you're gonna say. So when I say media training, I just, I've been an athlete my whole life, so I've had to do presses and yeah, so just that's part of what I mean, you're pro union. Yeah, a lot of my friends work in the union, you know? I think that they work hard. I think that they work

important. The unions have an important place in society today, 20 100 years ago, 90 years ago, I think there was a great purpose for a union, but a lot of people today say not necessary at all.

I think that a union is very important. You have to have somebody that's looking out for the person that's working hard, somebody that has their back. I think that this may be off talking about a very important part of leadership is leading from leading from behind, you know, pushing people forward that are that need it. You know, people in the Union definitely, you know, they had that having that support is big.

The one question you wish I had asked you but didn't, is, how long does it take you to know

that somebody is your person?

I think the love of my life is Madison, and I realized after spending so this is a crazy story. I'll tell you the story, I was on a date with another woman. We're going to Brentwood. She drove to my house first. I wasn't digging the whole feel. I could tell she wanted to get romantic, even before we went to dinner. I was just not comfortable. You know, I think as a as a man or a woman, I think a lot of people love sex. It's the most enjoyable activity in the world

When you know, you know, and I think, yeah, for me, I know, like, because there's so many beautiful women out there, but it's hard to find character that aligns with yours. So when I see traits in that where I'm like, okay, not only am I attracted to you, but your character stands out. Yeah, that's what I know. And listen my life, I've been through some struggles. So when somebody has my back, and I know they're like, a rider, they're there for me, I'm like, Okay, I'll give

wife is drop that gorgeous. And when she walks in the room, people look and they turn their heads. When people tell me, your wife is so beautiful, I tell them, she's a lot more beautiful on the inside than the outside, and that at the end of the day is way more important, because at the end of the day, it looks fade, and it's really what's inside that matters. She also went to business school, graduated college in three years, and she

so important. And you know, like my night one speech was, it was called the strength of a woman. Women have so much to offer. They when you find the right when you find the right person, the right person to match you, it's like it's better than any amount of money that you could have. Obviously, you need money, you know what I'm saying, but it is like striking gold. You find somebody that understands you that compliments you, you know.

out. I'm so fortunate that I got to meet some of the most successful business people in the world, and I've interviewed two coaches in the last two months who have coached hundreds of 1000s of men over the last 10 or 15 years, and they've said to me, one of the most important traits of a man's success is finding the right partner to support them, be with them, share with them and grow together. And I agree with them, 1,000,000% I'm with

I just want to give you your flowers. Man, I really enjoyed the interview. You're such an intellectual person. You know, you're calculated, you're smart, and I could tell that you care. So that's something that you know. Before I leave here. Just want to give you your flowers. And I really enjoyed the interview. I enjoyed getting into finance, trading, talking about love. It was a well rounded conversation. Well,

I think you're an awesome guy. I'm excited for your future. Excited to watch the show again, ABC, eight o'clock Eastern time, eight o'clock Pacific time. If you missed the show live, it's on Hulu the next day. Yes, sir, one day later. So again, congratulations on all your success. I'm excited for your future. Thank you, Matt. I appreciate it. Thank you. I enjoyed it. Go, me too, you.