My voice is perfectly duplicated. And I spent two weeks, probably racking up about 14 hours of my voice speaking articles. I've written how I feel about sex, politics, religion, everything you're not supposed to talk about. I literally trained my AI. Literally, we were learning the marketing as the site was live. So we're producing content, we're uploading content, I'm answering emails, I'm doing live cam shows. And in between all that we're trying to figure out how to market this
thing. We didn't even know how to market me, I wouldn't be where I am today, if there weren't mentors and or people who gave to me believed in me, it's those very people who have turned me into somebody who gives back.
You're listening to part two of my amazing conversation with brandy love one of the most successful adult film stars in history. If you haven't yet listened to part one, be sure to check that one out first. Without further ado, here's part two of the amazing brandy love. I want to go back most people today listening to this one, this is one of the goals of the podcast is getting out there. If you don't try, it's not going to happen, and getting unbelievable results.
And most people say that's never gonna happen writing a letter to Howard Stern, who must get a shit ton of fan mail. Most people are saying I'm not going to do that. He's not going to respond. He is going to go in the trash or you're going to get a form letter back, or there's no way Howard Stern reads his mail. What were you thinking? And what was the thought process then?
What I was thinking was, if I can get him to read it and get me on it, we'll change our business model. And that thought alone, also, synergistically with that thought I was saying he I'm going to force him to tell me to stop writing him because I'm so annoying. Persistence, I am a stalker. Oh, I don't write like one. So I think he would think that but I think it was my persistence that ultimately
probably won him over. And I mean, we are my family is huge believers in that if you want something, you'd be persistent. Try not to be annoying, but be persistent, because persistence will prevail in it. Does
my LinkedIn newsletters called go get it. And that's what we talked about. We posted one about Mark Cuban today who was on my show. And he sold garbage bags door to door for $6. And he wanted to make some money want to buy a pair of Converse shoes. And his dad said, you know, go make it yourself. Go get it. And that's exactly what you did. And I think so many successful entrepreneurs, executives, CEOs, founders, they all they all have
that. You gotta you gotta go for it, no matter how slim the odds may be.
I agree. And I think some people come by it naturally, whether it's in the DNA or whether it's in your household for me, it was in my DNA. My great grandfather, Jesse Livermore was quite an interesting man. And
why don't you tell people what, who he was and what he did, because I don't think a lot of people know
Jesse Livermore was deemed boy plunger. He's one of the greatest Wall Street traders of all time, from the very early 1900s. From the early 1900s. He was raised on a farm in Massachusetts, I think he had a gift with numbers. I don't know of everything I've read and and understand the bottom, there's a little piece of me that thinks he might have been somehow on the spectrum, because of his ability to see numbers like that nobody else could see like, extraordinarily smart and
sickly. So what is the farmer going to do with a sickly son, it was not a match made in heaven. So when he was eight years old, nine years old, maybe 10. He was going through books, his mother couldn't give them books fast enough. He was just plowing through him and his, she knew that his ability with numbers was extraordinary. And she had a friend going into Manhattan. But little Jessie in the back of the buggy, and literally he was sent off to New York. By the time he was 1314.
He was in the trade houses with chalk doing the boards. And at a young age. I don't recall this moment, probably 1415. He was already trading. He lied about his age. He did what he had to do. And the nonconformist and the Type A personality I definitely obtained from him.
Back to Howard Stern. He gave me the answer. And it was kind of funny, but it was
hilarious. But as a woman, I'd
say okay, like, that's kind of not nice, but you you took it well, so what what do you say to you? And what was what was the reason?
They were all actually very accurate, nothing that I didn't know. That's why people said that's not the same thing as you which I appreciate my friends thought he was being mean. I'm like, Guys, these Howard. And I already know I'm not in Playboy at the time. I was already too old. I was probably 3231 32. So was already tooled. They weren't doing milk. That wasn't even a thing yet. They weren't doing housewife magazines. I'm too old. I'm too athletic. I was looking back
then videos very lean. I was very fit. Playboy models aren't. They're fit, but they're soft. There. And then the third thing is they have round faces. It's a very girl next door, very endearing. Pretty look. I have a long face. I know this. So as he was telling me these things, I'm inside, I'm just dying. I'm laughing so hard. And then he topped it off with making fun of my hair, which that's fair. It was it was pretty funny.
How long was your website out? We were making $1,000 a month, two or week $60,000 A month? How? What was the? Was your website growing? organically,
organically? Oh, yeah.
Because you weren't putting money into marketing. You're just trying to do word of mouth still learning.
The marketing. Literally, we were learning the marketing as the site was live. So we're producing content, we're uploading content. I'm answering emails, I'm doing live cam shows. And in between all that we're trying to figure out how to market this thing. We didn't even know how to market me. I'm a 30 year old adult entertainer, what? Like you're not a baby, you're not a teen. There aren't any other
categories. So because we were in the lifestyle, we went with the term hot wife, not necessarily because how we wanted it branded, but people they want to label you. It makes it easier, searchable, all the different reasons. So we went with that. And then again, life changing trajectory when American Pie came out, and the term milk was introduced to the world. I literally heard that I heard the movie. I'm watching it. I went. Like I knew I knew that my adult career was going
to change. Because I loved it instantly. I loved it. I loved her. Her her character, the Scotch that attitude, her financially secure woman who's sexually aggressive. I'm like, That chick is amazing. I get her this is going to be a thing. And the rest is history.
There's also a new term that's come on, I guess in the last few years adult.
Oh, absolutely.
So I saw it recently told me that well, I've never heard that word before. So I think I'm late to the party.
I didn't get to move my daughter into campus for obvious reasons. Chris did. And when he left, we got the phone call from her dad. Every morning that Jordan wants to know who the deal fits. They're talking about him and I'm like, there we go. It's definitely a thing. I remember when he went through his midlife crisis around 38 He great early, gorgeous, thick, like, you know Sammy Hagar hair with the beard. He looks like
Kurt Russell. He gets we've been out and people have actually asked him I'm like, Dude, he's 270 pounds, Kurt Russell's my size, but I get their point he does look like and he went to a football game with a friend. And another Sigep did the fist bump thing, whatever their secret handshake is, and some girl from around the way came over? Is that your dad? It. It ruined the next two years of his life. Because in that moment, he realized he went from being the
hot guy to someone's dad. Right That that was 1015 years ago. And I felt so bad because I only ever saw him as what I see. But that moment changed them. And now he's back to being the hottest guy. He's got 2030 year olds chasing Multiwave for Christmas, because he looks like the standard thing. Women got him is on your lap. I'm excuse you. I'm right here like literally holding his hand they don't care. So I'm glad to see him get and men have over 50 get that kind of attention.
Okay, so we'll talk about money in a minute. But I want to pick up on something you said you couldn't move your daughter into college for. I have a huge fan base.
It's college age. And I love that and don't get me wrong. I absolutely love that. And you know, being being a Stiffler as mom type persona. It's it's a really I love my fan base of that age. However,
if it wouldn't be fair to her, what is your daughter? Think about what you do. I
mean, she loves me for me and nothing that I do surprises her. She's not like me in that sense. She's She's the most unbelievable human being. I know. However, in that capacity, we're very different. She is absolutely meant to be solely monogamous. And I believe that my core will be and that's beautiful. And she knows that for a mom and dad. We are our way and we love it and it works for us. She's one of the few children who have parents that are still married and not just
married but happily married. So her foundation, her comfort, her security has nothing to do with what her mom and dad do. It's everything to do with how her mom and dad are
shifted typical childhood where people were making fun of her because her parents were doing something that probably none of their other friends parents were doing. And a lot of people do look down on it, even though they're hypocritical because they're actually watching what you're doing. I'm sure
she'd had her moments. And to that, I would say I got teased for having braces, I got teased because my parents got divorced. I got teased because I was too skinny. I got to we all got teased kids are mean. And the thing that the thing that shocked me was, my little cub can turn into a bear. I'm sure the few kids that that approached her and said things about your mom then and then and then I saw side to her that I didn't know she had, because
she's quite empathetic. She's a very sweet and demure individual, but you come after her family. She turns into a bear just just like I do. You can mess with a lot of things, but you don't mess with family. So I'm sure she had her moments that it sucked. Nobody likes to be have their mother called names or teased about that. And to me, it's shocking, because I'm like, Who are you? My first thought is who these kids parents? How 14 Do you know who Brandi love is? That's my that's
my reaction. But she, she managed to manage and she's very proud of who we are today.
When you started in the porn business, you put up your website. At some point, you had to tell people you told your family, you had to tell friends.
What were did. That's what started it. I did.
Your family didn't know what you were doing? Nothing. How long has your website went up? Six months? Oh, that's it? Okay. Yeah,
six, seven months. And a lot of other people have asked us that like, Well, why don't you tell them? I'm like, well, first of all, I'm a married woman. I'm not I'm not a young person. I'm established in my adult life. I don't call my parents to ask permission. Right. So for me it I turned it back around, like really? Like what I was supposed to call my mama, hey, I want to do porn. That seemed very strange to me. And I saw their point. But I was more of the No, no, I I don't
get that part. That's a decision my husband and I are making. And it's our life. And it's our business. And the flip side of that is when they found out when Howard Stern came out, and I can only imagine I can imagine the phone game that happened because it was within hours that I was getting the calls. And that would lead to the conversation about Fallout.
So your parents were Presbyterians. I was raised in the Presbyterian Church. Yes. And am I hearing that you were afraid to tell them because they would flip their shit? Or were you? And then what happened? When they found out what was the what was the fallout?
I wasn't afraid to tell them I wasn't inclined to tell them. Honestly, I don't know if that I'm not playing with words. I literally it wasn't a thought. The only person I cared about how they thought about me. And if they wanted to do it was Chris. That's it everything. Again, it's our world world's our oyster. I was 30 years old. So it wasn't that I was ignoring telling them or choosing not to I just it didn't seem appropriate. It just didn't fit
into it. But because we didn't have a plan B and we were going to make it successful. Howard was part of making this business successful. His reach is that big that my own family, you know, that's how they found out. And it was a horrible Fallout to be fair, and one that naively shocked me. I always believed that family has your back and they love you unconditionally. I was always a rebel. I don't I didn't, in my mind. Understand. What about me doing this shocks anybody? I did the bikini
contest. I had my breasts done after our daughter was born like all the things you're supposed to do. I did them. So I don't understand why this is so shocking. But it was and most of the family stopped talking to us. And his pant, Chris's parents and my parents worked together to attempt to have our child taken away. That's how far they went. And it was for control. They didn't like it. They didn't like what people were saying to them. So they're
going to make us stop. And the quickest way to do that is to go after someone's kid.
They filed custody papers or had social services social
date, yes, they attempted to have social services, invade our home and find something that was going to be horribly shocking and oh my God, and to their dismay, they were wrong. So they
actually showed up at the door sure did and that must have
this horrifying yeah being horrified. Yeah, it was horrifying it twofold. It's
what do they say to you when they're they're not much basically get out of our way. We're
going to ransack your house.
Like they're looking under the couch. I mean, their mind you
our daughter was like to just the baby, and they're going through drawers and throwing things. I don't know what they thought they were going to find. But they had an intention. And when they didn't find it, they just left it Trying to question our child and thank God our nanny at the time, worked with law enforcement. So we were protected. But it was a horrible, horrible time. Aside from being invaded that way and having your privacy taken to find out it was your own parents
that that made this attempt. And it started with a photo that my stepmother took of my daughter on the beach. The photo every family has of the Little Bear BUT baby in a bucket playing in the sand. She said that the police in the city I lived and said you need to investigate this child pornography.
It was disgusting. She took the photo. And luckily, we are pretty
tight in we know the cops, we support the local police. So they came to us first.
Did you reunite with your family?
Unfortunately, my father passed away before I was able to Yeah, that was that was very sad. But
my mom and I were able to reconnect. And are you close today? Yeah. She's actually proud of me. Yeah,
I agree with you. But it's really nice to in her way. I mean, we don't talk details. She doesn't need details. But if you're not watching, you know, know pretty sure now. But if I win an award or I get a pivotal contract or something big happens, an article is published she knows and she she's proud of me sort of
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you. Because somehow you're contagious. And it's it's not it's it's something that happened to me, it's happened to a bunch of my friends. This is several steps beyond that. Did you lose friends? Did people not want to go to dinner with you? And is it hard making new friends because people as you said they may look down upon what you do. So it's a
tough one. And it's a very unique obstacle for adult entertainers. I happen to be married. So I'm very lucky. I can't imagine what it's like dating and having a really great date and then having to at least you should very quickly approach the subject that, hey, I'm an adult entertainer. Most people can't handle that. And, you know, so you know, walking in that there's a probably strong possibility they won't date you again. And friendships are no different. I have had very fun,
new friendships develop. And as soon as they find out, they just stopped calling. They're done. They can't they they don't want the stigma. Even though they know me, and it was very clear that we could have been great friends. It's more than they can handle. And in the beginning, it hurt. And now I understand there's consequences to our choices. Those are consequences that I have to live with. I'm not mad at people for making
that choice. It makes me sad sometimes because I love people, I would love to have that girl group. And yet I also don't fit in in LA like I don't hang out with my own industry because one my age. I have this whole other life back on the East Coast and I'm not gonna go rave, I have an eight o'clock call time I'm in bed by 10. I'll have a glass of wine and go to bed. That's my idea of a perfect night. And so in my own industry, I'm kind of an oddball, and on the East Coast, there aren't many
entertainers over there. So I don't fit in with the social group that I would love to fit in life. Right. So that's one of the consequences of, of my lifestyle. Someday, I think someday I'll find my people. You put the vibe out there, they'll they'll find you and I'll find them I just have to be very patient. In the meantime, very, very grateful that I'm married to my best friend. You're lucky
there's not a lot of people. I really am. Alright, so let's talk about some numbers and how much people make in the porn industry. In the United States. The average porn worker makes $62,000 a year Year, which compares with the average salary in the United States of $59,428. According to Forbes earlier this year, it's broken down by an average of $100,000 for women and $41,000.
For men in the world, the average pornstar makes $42,328 is broken down $80,000 for women and $20,000 for men with an average salary in the world is $19,251. So porn stars make on average, two and a half times roughly what the average person in the world makes. A new porn star makes around $10,000 In our first year and talking about women now not men who made considerably less, they receive $250 On average for the first
video shoot. The average new woman starts in the porn industry at 22 years old and she stays for only three years. Your income is reported to be 250,000 to $300,000 per month. Jenna Jameson one of the most famous and reported highest earning porn star has a net worth of $25 million. Are these numbers real? And can you still make a living in your 3040s and 50s? As a porn star?
I've never made more money. I'm hitting my stride and I'm 50. So I would say yes, I would say yes. And those numbers to be fair, are very hyper focused on I'm assuming a fee that they get paid to make a film and just the film salary because that is the smallest part of what an adult entertainer can earn.
Today we're going to talk about the technology and what's happened there. Exactly. So
those numbers seem antiquated to me simply because I probably have seven major revenue streams. And let's go through them all. Cam soda, my live streaming network, I have an exclusive contract with them. Where can you find that? Can of soda.com Okay, that's to them. I'm under exclusive contract with vixen Media Group. So all of my all of my scenes for the next probably year and a half are exclusively shot through them. And that's a very financially viable financial
endeavor. That's a media company in the pro films. Yeah, similar to a movie studio that releases movies not a movie theaters studio movies is the most famous one of the most prestigious anyway. My only brandy.com which is only fans is a that's the biggest revenue stream I have meet brandy.com which is another exclusive site it's a private sites similar but different different platforms. My fan base has different likes. So I have two different platforms based
upon their viewing history. What what type of content they like,
does that mean they get to meet you one on one?
Do any one on ones just the.com site? It's just like, it's just like an only fans platform? No
one on one. You don't do that. Zoom, or Skype? And do people pay for that? Oh, yeah. Big time. Yeah,
that would be the fifth revenue stream.
Okay. Not gonna ask you the price. But let's keep going.
My flashlight. I'm a flashlight girl. So I have it's a sex toy. Okay. It's a perfectly molded replica of my lady parts. Okay. And it's a masturbation toy. And it's it's the best in the industry. And I held out for that one too. I was determined to get that
the best toy. Yes. Yes. And what what makes a good sex toy?
It works you get the end result you're looking for
most exploits work I think it's it's a
male mask oratory sleeve. So it's, it looks like a flashlight, hence the name flashlight. Okay, so you use that instead of your hands? And you can you know, they have probably 20 I don't know maybe even more perfectly molded entertainers. So you pick your favorite. But I held out for that toy got it? And one, it's the best and two, you're paid for the rest of your life. For every toy that's sold you
get residual is their consumer reports on this. We've are independent I mean, Consumer Reports is not reading this right.
My my the the information I get back from my fans that utilize it. I would say it's a 10 out of 10.
Okay, gotcha. Okay. And it just sold online on Amazon. It is the largest story retailer in the world. Most people don't know that.
Andy brandy, I have my own landing page that you can get to and of course flashlight.com And of course my newest endeavor, which is exceptionally exciting, and it's very tech forward for an ad for an analog woman like myself, is my AI which is
out. We're going to talk about that in three minutes. Yeah, so
that's like, what seven that might be seven revenue stream.
I got close. That was gonna be huge.
I think so. I'm, I'm really excited about that. But let's talk about
technology and how it's done. Ange, the business before there were the movie studios where you would shoot you get paid. Maybe you get residuals. Porn was a biggest driver for people going online when it first came out. AOL you went from being an a CD bookstores where people walked, washboard and then suddenly you can watch it in the privacy of your own home. It really propelled the use of people going online for the first time. That was, I think it's something that people generally don't
know. And then people started building their own websites. And I think the numbers that you told me 50 60,000 A month in 2000 678, are massive numbers. I don't know many people, I mean, I don't know still be big numbers. They still be they still be huge numbers. For solo person, although, with the increasing popularity of porn, I don't know where we stand as a industry. But you're saying today that porn stars that have their own websites, it's very rare to make 50 or $60,000 a month.
Um, I think it has a lot to do nowadays. If you're talking about like, the only fans platform, what they're making, I think a lot of them do make that I think a lot of them do, there's a lot that make a lot more, and probably the majority that make a little less. But I mean, to be able to I mean, there's there's even some men in the industry who haven't even been in very long, but have managed to be able to pull numbers like 18 20,000 a
month. And for a man that's insane, that that's a, that's another income source, it probably doubled their income from shooting proceeds, maybe tripled.
Men make a lot less money than women in the porn business. Usually, way less. Usually,
there's there's, there's probably your top tier 567 guys that make more than the average female. But if you were to take the top women at the top men and women are making more female dominant industry,
let's talk about only fans, which has changed the game for everybody. For our viewers and listeners who don't know only fans is an online subscription service where people pay for content, we're talking about photos, videos, and live streams via a monthly membership. There are now 2.1 million people creating content on it. And 210 million people watching this content 98% of which is adult oriented porn. Since it was founded in 2016.
They just paid more than $5 billion to creators who make money in three ways subscriptions which is 64% of the revenue, pay per view and tips. Only fans makes money by taking 20% of the revenues which have skyrocketed in the last five years. In 2018, only fans earned $5.8 million in revenue 2019 $97 million in revenue 2020 $375 million in revenue 2021 $1.2 billion in revenue in that year. They booked a $325
million profit in 2022. They earn $2.5 billion in revenue in their in $404 million in profit. The value of the company today is reportedly $18 billion. Creators with large followings can make a ton of money on a top creators can make $100,000 a month, a porn actress named Belle Delphine makes $2 million a month on it. How is only fans change the game for porn actresses? And how has it influenced your life? Is it as good as everybody says it is? If you're a creator,
for me personally, yes, life changing, financially life changing. And from a creator standpoint, we have the power we own and create our own content. When you shoot in the pro scene, you get paid your day rate and you never seen another penny dubs the deal. I mean, that's not bad. That's just the deal. You don't get paid. Oh, no, no, that's it never ever has been that way. So whatever your rate is, that's what you get. And you never you don't own the content, you can't use the
content. That's what you got paid for. So to go from that, which is a good living, you can make a lot of money to being able to shoot in your home, upload it in your home and make three or four or five or six or seven times your day rate over the course of its that films life. It's it changes your world. The only the only thing for me that's a little sad. It's watching a little bit of a low and a change in the adult industry is because that's so
good. You're seeing a lot of really fabulous talent in the adult industry not work they're doing they're only fans but they're not coming out to shoot. Exactly. Well
I do write well why do you do it?
Because I'm typing and I'm driven and I do not like i i have the Pro I love the pro scene. It's such a different atmosphere, you get your hair done your makeup done, there's a script. It's an exciting thing to be a part of. Very exciting. And now with my exclusive contract, I have balanced. I know how many scenes a year I'm shooting, and then the rest of the year I'm shooting at home. I don't want to give up either. And I understand why people do.
So I don't want to be personal. I hate it when people ask me how much money I make. So I'm not going to ask you that either. But are what are your friends making? An average porn actress who's doing a good job producing Reimer content? How much money are these actresses making?
And to your point, I've never asked them? I wouldn't but but what's your best guess? I would say that it would be very fair to say that most of the people I know make between 60 and 260,000 a month
is huge. And how much were they making before one six of that?
They were probably making $110,000 a year. And now they're making that in one to three months. So it only fans, as a platform has changed lives and the number of people if you can only hope that they have smart people around them who care about them and are helping them invest wisely. Because if you're 25 years old, making that kind of money, and you go out and buy handbags, and Ferraris and houses and then only fans get shut off. That's scary. You know that and I can see how that
could happen. So I'm hoping that they decided to invest because they can certainly afford a financial planner to help them manage their money. Nothing lasts forever, does it?
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for advice. Yeah, but I. And it's funny, because I'll go to them and say, Hey, can you do me a favor? Here? They're all the times when I'm like, I was like, hey, you know, no, man. I'm like, did I help you? With your long term? Yeah. And you want to? That's fine. I mean, you know, you get that all the time takers, not givers. That is what it is. And when you're younger, you're more inclined to do that. But what I said to them is, you have a limited shelf life.
Right? It's unlikely you're going to be you know, you're 23 or big YouTube? Or what's going to happen when you're 35. Can you still be doing the same? Interesting things that you're doing to cater to a younger demographic? Probably not. So I mentor a lot of people on have
actors, football players. You know, there used to be a stat where that I think the average pro football player plays three and a half years and it goes bankrupt within five years, I think is changing because the league is doing a lot better now with financial planning and education. But you see, I've been in some of the Pro Football Stadium, the players parking lot. And you know, you've got your GMC trucks and your Yukons. But but you got a lot of Ferraris and Lamborghinis in there as well,
which there's nothing wrong with it. It's just understanding what you can actually afford. And very early on, I would say in my early, early 30s, my husband and I adopted delayed gratification. I know that sounds funny coming from me. I mean, financially, I'm saving your money and waiting, like so you get a big windfall, you get a $200,000 Check. That's a huge life
changing amount of money. And when you want to run out, go buy that car, or whatever, whatever the thing that you really, really, really want a Rolex, whatever makes you feel fancy, we would put it in the bank and make it we would wait at least a year before we chose to spend it. And we started that young thanks to my father. That was advice for my father delayed gratification because again, what happens near once you break your leg and you can't perform, you can't go to work, we don't
have workman's calm. If you're not set up for your future, your whole life can change like that. So for us when only fans came along, we did change our life a little I'm not gonna lie, we did have a little fun. We've picked up a few little things that we have always wanted, and at this age, and in our current position we bought but the rest of it every month. We only play with 10% everything else goes into investments.
You got to tell us what the three little things are the little things you can't mention that not tell us what you bought. Ah,
okay, well, we did buy a Ferrari I love it. I find there. Thank you. Thank you. I have an f8 Yeah, we read its course Alrosa with tan interior. It's a beauty. It's in. We love art. And it sounds really funny but and we do drive it, I've put 600 miles on it maybe a little more than that now, only a year old. But every time I pass the garage, it's my reminder of she's there because we worked our asses off. And it wasn't we didn't work her asses off to
have stuff to be showy. Or to say, hey, look, my family doesn't even know we have it.
Why would you tell them that?
I just asked. Sorry.
30 your family at this point? They know now I don't know if they're watching this. But
they know now my mom probably doesn't watch podcast, but yeah, I did a few days. But that's okay. It's it's a a gentle reminder of Alright, kid. This is this is pretty cool. And we waited we probably could have bought one a few years ago. But we just kept saying, you know, no, we have a very good friend within the Ferrari family that I kept sending photos. What do you think about the 499? What do you think about the LaFerrari? What do you think about love rose out? Nevermind, I could never
afford that. But I was asking about different ones. And this one came along and I said, Oh, my God, the tributo Are you kidding? It's going to be the last of the VA. It's the last piece that it's this combination of everything I love about Friday. So I made a phone call to find out you know, they're all gone. They're gone. They're not making anymore. They're out there sold. And thank God, my friend made a phone call and just happened to find one that
was landing in New Jersey. And it happened to be this red one. I love it. It was pretty awesome.
When I was a kid, I'd go into the Porsche dealership. Once a year, I'd sit in the car. It's inspiring. It's inspiring. Yeah. And I found when our company went public, I said, Okay, I can buy this car, I got a 911. It's called a 996 at the time. That's the model number two, I waited a year to buy it. Because I felt I felt that it was $107,000. I know, it was like 160, something like that. And I thought, Gosh, this is this is my dream. I have it
today. Still, it cost me probably $5,000 A mile at this point because something goes wrong with it every week I drive it. You'll never get rid of it. No, I won't. And I remember the first day I came home beautiful day, I'm gonna wash my car myself, which I still do, by the way. And I had the bucket of water, I had a bucket of water, and it dropped on the back of the car and it still has the mark like the quarter quarter mark just went straight down
onto the car. So I said, oh shit and a little character from from the first day. But go, hey, it's great. Let's go back to technology. VR. What do you think of that? The projections on porn VR are massive. And they said porn VR is going to be greater than football, baseball, hockey, any professional sport? Are people looking at that? Are you looking at that? I'm not a
huge fan of it. Personally, I shoot it. I've shot it down in the room. What I mean is I don't watch it. I'm not a consumer of VR
know what I'm saying? As a consumer, you're in that room. Oh, literally,
like you look right down in it. I understand why people like it. Like, I remember the first script I got. And they said it's new thing. It's VR. It's a longer day, because we're all still learning the equipment. It's a lot. There's a lot involved. And I didn't get it. I'm like shaking my head. I'm like, Oh, this looks so weird. And I don't think I like it. I'm a very passionate
person. So the idea of the guy just sitting like this, and he can't breathe, and he can't talk to you that usually they won't even look at you. So your whole performance, if you will, is engaging with the camera. That's all like you're talking because you're I'm actually talking to you, if you're the one watching the consumers, the end user. So it's like, it's like a there's there's a human there, but it's really just a dick. Because you have no physical contact as the
performer. What changed it for me is when a company, put them on my face and hit play, and I watched it and I'm like, Oh my gosh, this is what the end user is experiencing. So I got pretty good at the VR because I understood, I understood who I was actually shooting for and what it was about. Still not my favorite, again because the lack of interaction between myself and my co worker, but I can absolutely see how that that could become a sport. I do. It's
impressive. Ai. If it's here is daily vernacular.
You talk about it every day. It's written about a million times a day. A everyone around the world is talking about it. How is it changing the porn industry? Is it going to cannibalize them? Only fans? Is it going to be a different revenue stream? And then tell us about the great Ricky Horowitz and his awesome company and why he chose to work with him.
Um, I It's been coming for a while, you know, technology, there's always rumblings and then it's here, it happens at the speed of light. I, I haven't I have a very, I have very mixed emotions about it. Because again, I am analog, I still use a Franklin planner. I appreciate technology, I work in technology. And in some ways, I love it. And in other ways, I've been around long enough to see how it's changed humanity, how it's changed communication, how it's changed interpersonal
relationships. So I kind of have like this weird thing with it. But when I spoke with Ricky, and he walked me through forever voices and what it was going to look like and where the future was going. And again, I started to dive into it from a business perspective. It wasn't just business for me that clicked, it was mine. This is happening. It's state of the art. And well, before
we go there, let's back up. Okay. So everyone's talking about it. Everyone's targeting porn stars, the most popular ones like you, you're getting hit up every day. What are they pitching you? What can it do for you? How can how can you make money and then forever voices? Why did you? Whatever work you do, that was so great. That was so different from all the other companies.
The thing that turned me on about the AI. Brandy AI specifically was knowing that, look, I need to sleep. I sleep I eat. I'm a wife, I'm a mother, I have a lot of things going on. So I am not 24/7 available. For my fans. I do the very best I can and I love them. But I am not capable of a 24/7 capacity. Brandi AI is she doesn't sleep. She doesn't need to clean the house. She doesn't need to do anything, but hang out with the fans. She also doesn't have the human natural
judgment. It doesn't exist. So the way I see it is it's like Brandy 4.0. There's no human. I shouldn't do that. I shouldn't say that. Or I don't know about that. She just goes for it. And all of the restrictions that are placed by me. So I literally trained my AI
what what is Brandy do what is Brandy ai do? Who is she?
She's me. Alright, line. So what does that mean? They my voice is perfectly duplicated. Okay. And I spent two weeks, probably racking up about 14 hours of my voice speaking articles. I've written how I feel about sex, politics, religion, everything. You're not supposed to talk about relationships, health, fitness, my great grandfather, you name it. I educated her to know what I know and respond how I would
respond. So that when my fans are talking to brandy AI, they hear me through forever voices, how they do that with their software. And she responds unbelievably accurately to how I would
based on the 14 hours of recordings that know how you think about various topics, right? It takes all that data. There's a supercomputer somewhere who says, I now know, Randy luff. And I am going to speak for her and you obviously test this out.
I taught I talked to it daily. And I test her I test her where I saying things like how do you feel about whatever? What do you what do you think's gonna happen in 2024?
Does she help you? Does she educate you?
It's mutual. There are some times right, she'll respond to me and I'm like, dang, that was clever. That's really good. Sometimes it's relationship advice that she'll give that's really good. She's, it's impressive. And it's not just the 14 hours I spent, but it's also a the software can compile data on me. And all of the videos that I've made it can pull the audio so it's it's remarkable.
Okay, so where did they find you on this and how do they get on it? And what is the was it called
Brandy ai.com and currently you can do voice to voice you can text and I say I respond and voice and they just introduced phone calls so you can actually call brandy AI and have a phone conversation. And the texting is $1 a minute dollar man and then what about the phone just got released? Okay, I'm not sure. That is like when I say just released like it just came out. I got the text the other night that it's even available
and then what percent does forever voices take 1% to the right I think it's 5050. Okay.
There is people gawk at that just like they do the 20% for only fans, but also coming from a real estate background. I don't have any issue with that, because I'm bar I'm living on their real estate, they paid for the land, I'm just hanging out on it. So I understand how much it costs, how many people are employed by forever voices, it takes a lot of money. And sometimes, as creators, we like to show up and just go give me 100%. While we didn't do anything, so it does
seem high. But the technology is incredibly expensive.
Let's talk about mental health issues. suicides in particular, there's been a number of suicides in the porn industry, I think at least five or eight per year from what the research shows from 2017. Now when people first started focused on this, why,
why is two teen suicide at all time high? The adult industry percentages is exceptionally small, we focus on it because everyone likes to go, Oh, they're a porn star. They killed themselves. Look, every suicide is a horrible loss. It's unbelievably sad. Probably one of the saddest things that can happen. You should have a very strong, stable foundation in your personal life before you make a choice to get into something like adult
entertainment. It is not a great choice for somebody who's mentally unstable to begin with you it's not that the sex part is hard or that showing up to work two or three days a week is difficult. People usually aren't prepared for the societal backlash. And as a as a pretty tough individual. It's hard. There are days even I'm like, well, that's too far, buddy. And I spent a lot of time on Twitter slaying trolls. I try not to have savage brandy come out often, but she does. And I don't
do it. Because I'm mad. I'm hardly ever mad when I go troll slaying. I am trying to beat down the bully before they hurt somebody who doesn't have the strength I do. I'm from Detroit, what do you do with the bully? You beat him up. That's survival. So I don't physically beat anybody up. But I do verbally, in honestly in hopes that they don't go after the next person who might not be as strong.
You've had a hugely successful career, we've talked about your work ethic, talk about going into something that you're very passionate about your driven. What are the elements of success,
love what you do have a passion for whatever it is you choose to do. Work harder than anybody else doing what you're doing, and be authentic.
One of the things that made me successful, something I call the extreme preparation, I'm writing a book on that topic. And I prepare in ways that people haven't thought about they haven't done checklists of this. I've been coaching this for many, many years. So when someone prepares five hours for something, I may go 50, or an important
things the same way he is an exceptionally prepared human being, I tend to be a little bit more fly by the seat aesthetic, the artist in me the creator in me. But that said it that is absolutely critical.
Can you give some examples of things you've done where you've used extreme, extreme preparation, and something that ended up with a great result for you? I'm
getting my contract with BMG. At my age to be under an exclusive contract with the most prestigious Media House in the industry is frickin awesome. Like, who gets who gets an exclusive contract in the adult industry of 50. And I got that because I set out to do it. I did what it took to prepare my body, my face, take care of myself physically take care of myself mentally and know that I could do it and that it'd be worth their time to bring me on. And I sold that and thank God
they agreed. Thank God he agreed with my with my idea. So I age I that's, that's our age is not an obstacle, unless you make it one. And if you really want to go after and do something, the preparedness for me in that sense, it was physical. I can't slow up me it's show up like sloppy and wrinkled and like I've been eating hohos for a year and gone, I'm the milk you should hire me they'd all go
will pass. But when you show up prepared to work and you prove it in your physical stature when you walk in like I'm ready to do this, let's go.
You can get it done. So we mentioned passion is an element of success. It's also one of the reasons why a particular movie may be successful as well. Are people faking it in these porn movies that every porn movie you're super passionate about who you're with? Are you faking orgasms? Are you sometimes not attracted to people that you have to shoot with. I can't
speak for the masses. But this goes back to my belief in number one. And number two, the most pleasure I get to do for a living, the most pleasurable activity known to humankind. So I go to work every day with every intention of having an orgasm, it's a failed day, if I didn't, like it doesn't make sense, you're going to work to have sex, and you're not going to have an orgasm.
Like, if that's the case, and that's your mindset, and you choose to fake it, instead of trying to have one, you probably chose the wrong career,
or you can't be attracted to every guy that you're investing with depends what
you mean by attracted, if you mean just at a at a physical level, yes, um, I always find something I'm attracted. Like, it could be their their voice, it could be their abs, it could be their hair, it doesn't have to be the whole guy, I'm not trying to marry him, I'm there for a purpose, and it's going to be fun, it's going to feel great, we're going to rock the scene, and then I'm gonna go back to my fabulous life, like this was
just fun. So I don't, I don't need to find them, they don't need to be a 10, I'll find something to lock on to that I do find attractive about them, and have the best time I can have that day
where you've had better partners than other partners.
There are some better than other sure in some, it's just natural chemistry. There. There are men and women in the industry that I've known over the course of 15 to 18 years that there's a certain level of familiarity and friendship, that we know what pushes each other's buttons. And it's fun so that sex is going to be better than maybe a first time with somebody you know nothing about. So you can develop chemistry through the
years. And other times I just find that thing I lock in on a thing that I really liked about him and half my way with him,
is it scripted, or you have an outline, and then you just
kind of go from there depends. Everything I do now is scripted in the sense that there is a theme, there are some lines, there is a story. That's just the way VMG shoots, there are scenes that are what we would call Gonzo, where you just show up, it's a boy or girl scene. Just go. I would say probably 90% of what I've shot throughout my career has been scripted.
Do you memorize that beforehand? Usually, usually I try.
My memory is not what it used to be. But I usually will get a script one to three days before. If it's a huge script. I'll get it a week before.
Let's talk about health issues. HIV, sexually transmitted disease, herpes, I read that people test on a daily basis. I've read all kinds of things, but I don't know what's true and what isn't true. You see porn videos, most of which men are not using a condom? How do you stay healthy?
The industry has a standard 14 day test. It's a gold panel test that you can only work within the 14 days, day 15, you're out you have to retest. Is it is that perfect? No. But you can't test every day you can't be giving blood and samples every day. It used to be 30 days when I first got into the industry. And when they made it 14 days, I was actually thrilled. Some people are mad, it's expensive, objective but 200 bucks, basically, per test. I would do it weekly if they
decided to do that. Because there's nothing more important than our health and knock on wood. 20 years in the industry. I've never had a test pop,
which means I've never had a bad test 20 years, you worry about it. Of course.
Of course. I mean, that's the nature of the beast. Every job has its hazards. Every every job. You know, if you work on the line, you could have something you know, drop on your head. That's why you were hardhat. You could be electrocuted if you're an electrician. So every job does have its concerns or its potential hazards. And that's your sexual health is one obviously when you're a sex worker, so I take it very seriously. It's also a prepared
thing. I do everything I can to stay healthy for myself and for any partner. And I always not only test on the front end like I only did two students this week, tested right before I came I will test again tomorrow before I go home so that I know that I'm I'm protecting my husband. Right? So I probably am an extreme case, but I also know that without your health, what do you have?
Let's talk about sex trafficking and Pornhub Pornhub for a while are most popular. I think it's top 10 most popular websites in the world. It's been criticized for people putting videos up there that shouldn't be up there. A lot of these videos are from victims of sex trafficking, which is the fastest growing crime in the world, over 30 million children and people are
enslaved against their will. So in 2018 there was an expose a by New York Times writer that along with a Netflix documentary that talks about this, they took down I think 10 million videos on the site. Something like 80% of videos on their website was going on in the industry with sex trafficking and how are people fighting it?
That's kind of a loaded question in that sense that what's going on in the industry with sex trafficking, from my perspective, nothing. I mean, we we signed legal 2257 documents, nobody is under age, everybody has their their own will. So I'm in an extremely opposite environment as to what you're talking about. And I don't know anybody in my industry that wouldn't fight for
anybody harming a child. It's it's the most disgusting disgraceful crime that anybody could commit, if anything, I know people in adult space that are doing what they can to fight it. So it's total opposites, when that did happen on that particular site, reprehensible why they lost their ability to take charge, I'm not active on there, what's there gets put there, because it's lack of better words, stolen content that is allowed to be put up, that's the way the law works.
They're not breaking the law, the way that was a C's, T Oh, my God, I'm gonna get my butt kicked for not knowing this law. But the that the law that allows the user to upload content, right, protecting the actual platform, saying
arm do it, you did it.
So that's a problem. That's a law problem, because they are currently quite protected. Now, the fact that it was underage or trafficked people, I think the consequences fit, fit the crime of the platform. So I'm glad somebody was placing it and, and got that handled.
The documentary is awesome on Netflix, I hope people go out and watch it. It's really remarkable. Let's give it money shot on Netflix, you can learn all about the terrible things that Pornhub was doing, and the good outcome that has resulted from that expos. A, you've been very successful in your career, how important is giving back to our success? I think it's critical.
I think it's critical. I wouldn't be where I am today, if there weren't mentors and or people who gave to me believed in me, had faith in my ability. And it's those very people who have turned me into somebody who gives back. I don't, I've read about you and the things that you do, it's incredible. And I think that probably the more you get involved in philanthropy, you probably get comes back tenfold. That's not a joke, that is
actually a very real thing. And I'm not in a position to be able to donate to the different causes that I want to I do in my way, and will continue to, and one of them happens to be within the mental health space. And the other is through time. I think it's the greatest gift you can give somebody coming up in whether it's life, business, whatever, but to connect yourself with people younger than you and try to guide them in whatever way they're looking for is the greatest gift.
There's a very common misperception out there. That giving back has to do with money. And as you said, I think it's more important that you donate your time. Yeah, balls your
place. But time is hugely that one sticks. That one actually makes a bigger impact, I think many times
100%. All right. I always end my podcast with something called fill in the blank to excellence. Are you ready to play? Sure. The biggest lesson I've learned in my life is be patient. My number one professional goal is to be the best. My number one personal goal is happiness. My biggest regret in life is
I don't have any regrets.
The one thing I've dreamt about doing for a long time, but haven't done is
jumping out of a plane. Are you gonna do it?
I missed that window is not a regret. But it's always going to be that thing in the back of my brain is you should have done it when you thought about it. Like in my 30s I would have done it in a heartbeat. Now, I have too much to live for
bachelor party for a friend before my first wedding. And we were in Vegas. It was a month before I was getting married. They all went skydiving and my fiancee at the time says you're not going I don't want you to break a leg. I mean, obviously you don't want me to die. But obviously people do get hurt. And so I didn't go and I think I missed my window on that one.
Yeah, it's a thing. You get to an age where you realize that there's the possibility of death. And you're like, No, I'm good.
The one movie star in the world that I wished I could meet is
maybe maybe Tom Cruise. I think that'd be a very interesting conversation.
If you could go back in time and give your 21 year old self a piece of advice. What would that be? Don't be so hard on yourself. If you could be one person in the world who would it be? My great grandfather, Randy this has been a good guy. You know, you're so impressive. I think people They are going to be fascinated by what they hear and by the what they watch. I think what people see is not really who people
are. And I hope people have a very open mind now to how they think about the porn industry and what's going on with amazing people like you. So thanks for being here.
I appreciate the opportunity.