Brett Favre: Pain, Perseverance, and Overcoming Addiction

This week on the In Depth Podcast, Brett Favre, the legendary quarterback and Hall of Famer, played for 20 seasons in the NFL and started a record 297 consecutive games. I played every game like it was the last. I really did. The three time MVP is obviously best known for his time with the Green Bay Packers, where he earned the Super Bowl ring and famously had one of the greatest games of his life just a day after losing his father. I could have never have imagined to play the way I did.

Farve relived his biggest career moments when we caught up with him in 2015. He also opened up about beating an addiction to painkillers. Had you quit? I shook every night, Cole sweats and it was a constant battle. Set the record straight on his departure from the Packers well. You can imagine I've been there 16 years and now you're shifting gears. And responded to critics of his relationship with Aaron Rodgers. To what extent do you think you

could have been a better mentor? Nowhere does it say that you have to take that guy under your wing and teach him the ropes. But we began our chat by discussing Farbs attempt to get back into shape following his retirement. I know the first year and a half after you were after you retired, you really didn't do much in terms of working out and tell about the 5K he did, which is a little more than a three mile run. How did you do on that I?

Retired and the following fall I was I was enjoying myself. I was doing about what I thought I would do. I like to to do stuff out of my property. I would bike and run some with with my wife. I was staying in in fairly decent shape, but I was eating like I was 21 and then top shape. That being said, not like top shape eating fish. And I was eating everything like I'll burn it off, you know, I'm

21, I'm fine. Well, all of a sudden I got on the scale like around November and I had gained 25 lbs and I, I didn't really think I knew my pants had gotten a little tighter, but I thought I'm biking and running and so on. Then I realized that regardless, you got to watch what you eat.

I was watching it, you know, whatever, but my wife and several of her training buddies that that same fall year after I had retired were were running in a 5K here in town for one of the local churches that put it on and there's two hundred 250 people signed up. So so I drop her on the way. They're talking about the, the run and you know, and I'm, I'm listening to him. And I said, and honestly, and I've, I've, I told the story and you probably heard that I didn't

know what a 5K was. I didn't know mileage wise what that equated to. Didn't, didn't care because I'd probably ran a mile non-stop maybe once in the previous eight years. There was no reason for me to do that. And why would I do it again? You know, I'd go out and run half a mile or quarter of a mile, bike a little bit. So I said, they're, they're talking. I said, you know what, I think I'll run with you guys today. And they were like, oh, OK.

And I said, look, I, I I don't think I can keep up with you. But I was kind of saying that like a little, a little braggingly, like I don't, I don't think I can but but I mean, I can run non-stop. I said how far is 5K? And I said 3.1. I said no problem. Did you think that you'd kick their ass? I didn't think I would. I would, I would beat them, I thought, because I knew that they had been doing this over and over. But I just, I thought, OK, I, I

can run it non-stop. I didn't know anything about pace. I didn't have a Garmin watch. My wife had all this stuff. They talking pace and we're going to, we got to start off doing this. I'm thinking, what's the big deal about pace? I mean, I, you know, you pace me, I pace you. I had no clue what they're talking about. But I said I can do it. So there was all these people and I didn't care about signing up, getting a number and, and you know, a belt and all the stuff didn't.

So all these people waiting, you know, they're, they're getting loose. And I was, I was, so I told, I told the group, I said I'm going to ease through the woods right up here. And so when you get like 50 yards up, I'm going to jump out with you. I didn't want to make a big scene or anything. I said, OK, that's fine. So I'm waiting and they start them and here they come and it's on bike trail here in town.

So it's kind of congested. So everyone's kind of falling in line and I jump out with them and I start running their pace. And honestly, I was probably 50 yards into it. As I think back, what was the first thing, what was the worst? And it was, it's a toss up. I thought I was going to have a heart attack and my calves were going to explode. And it was like, which one's going to stop me first? So I'm so I'm running within my end.

And again, I don't have a pace watching that, but I knew this was way too fast. So I'm like, oh, you guys go ahead. I'm just going to kind of slow down, little day. No, I mean, if I didn't slow down, I was going to die. Bruises the ego a little bit. 50 yards into it, I'm thinking this is awful. So I'm walking, you know, I, I got all these people passing me and most of the people I knew, little old ladies past me. Hey, you're doing good, Brett, That's a thank you.

And I'd walk some, I'd run, I'd walk a little bit. And I said, well, I can run, I can do it now. I'd make it 100 yards. I'm like, I just got done playing football like a year ago. I mean, I'm supposed to be an athlete. I think the the icing on the cake was like what? I finished in like 48 minutes, a lot of walking, some running and 48 minutes. I couldn't tell you what a good 5K was, but that's embarrassing for a not too far out of

retirement athlete. But all these kids were past me and I would when I would run, I'd kind of pass the kids back up, but then I would walk and then they would, you know, they were running the whole time. And like they passed me the last time and it eventually beat me. They were like, oh, Mr. Brett, you're doing so good. Keep it up, keep it up. And I'm walking at the time. So I was like, you know, I'm, I mean, that's kind of the way I've done my whole career.

I mean, something has to motivate me. Something has to challenge me. And I wasn't really challenged at that point. I'm done with playing. There's really nothing left to, to do necessarily. I kind of told myself when I retired and a lot of guys do this is like, I ain't doing nothing. I'm not working out. That's all I've done. I mean, you're paid to do that. You're told to do that. And if you don't, you get fined. And, and after a while it's

just, it's work. And that's the kind of the way I, I looked at it. And then all of a sudden it changed. And I said, you know, I'm going to, I'm going to challenge myself. I'm going to say how fast I can run a 5K. Why I just AM? And aren't you working out more now almost than when you? Were playing yeah you know now I. I mean, there's there's. It's almost much like how I've done my whole career. I mean, I play golf, but then all of a sudden I really got

serious in golf. And I mean, I'm cleaning my balls. I've got a little dot on them and scraping the grooves out made it. I don't even play golf anymore. You know, I, I kind of dove in deep was in it for a while and then now I hope as far as the training aspect of it goes, because this is, this is your life you're talking about. I think you can, you can get into something too much too great. And then there's also the, the flip side where you, you do

nothing. I enjoy going out running, biking, you know, you, you feel better. I, I'd like to think that I'm, you know, I'm, I'm delaying the, the adverse effects that come along with with playing and aging. I'd like to thank that at least. I think a big part of it is the mental, the mental game that you play with yourself. But I feel, I feel better.

I feel a lot better Monday mornings or you know, I think back to what it was like after a game and it was, it was as I got older especially, it was the recovery. I don't even want to say it was recovery. It was just about when you started feeling better. You played again and it was just a snowball effect. And I don't have that anymore. You know, it's not to say that the cumulate, the cumulative effect won't take its toll at some point, but I'm trying to keep that at a minimum.

And I'll talk about that in a bit, but it's interesting. I'd imagine somebody who saw you when you finished playing and then saw you today. I mean, you're you know, there's no gut on you. Obviously you're you're ripped is sucked in, right? Yeah, right. You're, you know, pretty ripped And I'd imagine, and I mean better. I'm in better shape right now. I know when you're and that's that's crazy. Yeah. Why is crazy?

I don't know. I think because the, the consensus is that a lot of the guys, when they're done, they're done right? And before they know it, they've let themselves go. Like we all do it. I mean, I did it a couple years ago. I was 25 lbs overweight. You know, if you saw a picture of me, then you know I had some puffy cheeks and I look like I was enjoying chocolate chip # cake, which I was.

Hey, nothing wrong with that, though you have to, you know I. Still treat myself to to ice cream or we went to a movie last night. I had some some caramel popcorn and some Whoppers and so I need a run today. By the way, thanks for reminding. Me. There you go. So you were offensive coordinator of the local high school, the football team here for a couple years after you retired. And I mean, you're in daily practice during the weekdays from 2:00 to 5:00 PM.

You would have games Friday nights, film sessions on Sundays. Why do it? Sometimes I ask myself that question because it was not overly time consuming, but I had to be there. You know, I committed to doing it. So if I wanted to go on a three day hunt, you know, I couldn't do it. If I just wanted to, you know, ride the tractor all day, I couldn't do it. I had to, I had to stop at some point, go up and and work with these kids. But I really enjoyed it.

It wasn't. It wasn't something I had always thought I would do after I played the head coach here. Who's still the head coach? He's been a head coach in Mississippi. He's a legend, His name's Neville Barr. All the years that I got ready to go back and play and ESPN was camped out and all that stuff, all that footage was was at Oak Grove. And Neville years and years ago, was gracious enough to allow me to come work out there with the kids. And I knew a lot of their families and stuff.

So it wasn't like, Oh my God, you know, Brett Farr is here. I live in this community. I know most of these. I obviously know a lot of these kids now, but they're their families. And so Neville was like, you know, it's good for our kids. And I said, you know, it's good for me. It gives me.

We would be running stadiums and these kids were killing me, but I was pushing myself because I didn't want to, you know, we'd be Brett Favre. You know, they did to a certain degree, but it was pushing me. It was pushed me and it and it also gave me kids to throw to. So Neville would say, look, when you retire someday, I'd like for you to to coach with me, be my offense coordinator and I you know, I would always kind of oh sure, yeah, no problem. That will.

But it backed my mind. I was like, no way, no way. And so when I retired, he, they, they came calling. And at first I told him, no, my first year I did, I didn't coach. And then then he said, come on, you know, I'm really just. And I knew he was he was getting to the latter part of his his career. He'd never won A state championship, had gotten close. It was a challenge. And I, you know, I knew the commitment, the time commitment. I knew it was not like college

or pros. Were you there from from daylight to dark and then some? And it's a year round job. So I said, OK, I'll try it. And I and I just committed to the, you know, to to being there every day. And honestly, I didn't know what I didn't. In fact, I would told Deanna like the first night. I said I don't like the night before I first practice. I said I don't know what kind of coach I'm going to be. I knew I knew football, but that and how you relate it to someone

or two different things. You know, how I digest things and understand it and try to relate that you may go, I have no idea what you're talking about. You know, you're not a good teacher, you know, So that was that was the big challenge for me and. We'll tell about the what you were told by your Packers head coach when you were a young Packers quarterback and how that influenced how you handled the situation with one of the young

quarterbacks you were coaching. Yeah. And I, you're probably referring to when Mike Holmgren basically put it in the simplest way. I was, I was good at times. I was not so good at times. I was up and down, you know, and in Pro Football, pro baseball, pro basketball, there's not a lot of room for marginal or maybe a little less than that, especially football. You have 16 games. We can't afford to give too many away.

Baseball may be a little bit different, but there, you know, I think there was a tremendous upside with me and I think Mike Holman saw that. But when I say mutiny and I can't remember the exact game, but it was in my second year and the coaches more or less had voted and I, you know, I, I don't know exactly how it went down, but more or less voted that. Let's go with the with the other quarterback. And so Homer and was like, you know what, I'm going to give him another chance now.

This was told to me later. A week to later, he calls me into his office And I would, you know, I think part of my success is based on I was naive, not knowing any different. You know, I thought, what the heck's a big deal? And and I was kind of out, you know, out in the dark, You know, he he says, Brett, you know, the coaches, we kind of want they want to go in a different direction.

But I've told them no, that and he may have been pulling my leg, but I think that's part of being a good coach, a good teacher. He said, I told him no, that I'm going to I'm either going to go to the top or I'm going to go down with you. And collectively, we need to all have that mentality. So I'm with you no matter what. I'm with you now again. He may have been saying for another week, but I won't tell

him. I, I don't know, but that was a huge vote of confidence for me. I just felt for whatever reason that, you know, I mean, I know he was the head coach and he, he, if he said don't play him or play him, I mean, he had that authority. And so I just felt really confident that and I, and I started playing much better.

That really happened my first year as a, as a coach here at Oak Grove. And our, our young quarterback, our last game, we were not going to the playoffs, but he had showed he had one more year remaining. He had showed tremendous upside, but he also had great kid. I love Kirk to death. We had a lot of a lot of fun together. And I, I wanted to strangle him

sometimes. And I would tell him that I said, you know, these coaches at halftime of our last game, they had actually said, let's put the other guy in. And, and I was ready to do the same thing because, I mean, I was always trying to push him and, and connect with him and we would, but we wouldn't. And I was trying to get him to become tougher, not so much physically, you know, yeah, but more mentally and not, not pass the buck off on the other guys,

not whine, not complain. It's not, it's an extremely bright kid, which was different than me. I was not extremely bright, I was just extremely hard headed. But he they're ready to bench. I said, look, give me one more chance, one more chance and let me talk to him. And they said, OK, because every coach had voted to, to let's let's get ready for next year with the other guy. And I went and pulled Kirk aside and I told him and I said, and I

told him the truth. I said, look, they they're ready to not only bench you, but run you off You're whining, you're complaining, it's someone else's fault. You know, you need to decide what you want to do. If you want to play, I'm behind you. I'm going to let you play the second-half. And this is your chance to show them what you can do when I'm going to playoffs. And he said, OK, OK, Brett, I'll I'll do what I can. And he played lights out

second-half following year. He has a great year. We win the state championship and in a in a it wasn't the same as winning the Super Bowl, but I really there was such a reward in it that I never, I mean, it was it was there was such a reward in in coaching those two years. And I and I only stopped coaching because our daughters is starting on the high school volleyball team and they play the same time. You wanted to be. I wanted. To be at every game, right?

And they play Tuesdays, they play Thursday. Sometimes we had to go off for weekend tournaments and I wanted to be there and and I wouldn't have been able to had I had our coach, so that was the only reason I stepped down. In winning that state title was far more satisfying, though, than you would have ever expected. You know what it was, it really was special.

It, it had, it was different because I, you know, I, I had won, been a part of the Super Bowl winning team and that, you know, that it's hard to compare that, but in a weird, smaller sort of way, it, it felt the same, you know, and that's, I think from a coaching, from a teaching standpoint, that's what that's why you do it. Not necessarily win the state championship. That would be great.

But when you see that you make an impact on a on a young man or young woman's life in in a positive way and and that you did something good or, you know, just for in, in a a fraction of that is you, you coach a play or you coach one move or just something. And then they struggle to do it. They struggle to do it. They struggle to do it. And all of a sudden they do it. You you go, yeah, you know, they get it. You know, I mean, you feel like you're really doing something in.

And that was so much different than when I was playing because I was on the other side of it. Maybe in the latter part of my career. I I looked at things like a coach or as a coach. I wasn't as naive. I kind of saw things like we played a team that I knew we didn't stand a chance of beating. I knew we didn't stand a chance of beating. When I was 25, I thought we can beat anybody and that's kind of the way you should approach it. But I looked at it more from a

coach's standpoint. So that may be the only difference in the latter part of my career was kind of like the last two years of coaching. But it was, it was hard to be in a situation where I couldn't control anything. I, I could call a play, but I couldn't throw it. That was the tough part. And I find like watching my daughter play volleyball. I don't know anything about

volleyball. She would crush me in volleyball, but I, I want to go out there and spike it for, or I want to go serve it for, I want to get that block. But you can't. You just got to sit there and and be a fan and it's tough. I want to run through some stories that are kind of funny and get get you to quickly recall them. It seemed like you and your buddies growing up for up for whatever and tell about the BB

in your brother's chin. Well, I always, yeah, I shot my old brother in the chin with ABB gun and people. You did what? And I said, well, it was his fault. What do you mean it was his fault? He wasn't the one pulling the. Trigger. He let me put it up to his chin and it was an old Red Ryder BB gun and you could shake it. You could, you could hear if there were BBS in it and there was you, you shook it. There was no BBS. And so like when you would shoot it was air.

You know, it was air rifle. You you pump it up and if there was no BB in it and you pull the trigger air would, you know, pop out of it. So I said, I don't know how I don't know which one actually said let's let's see what that feels like up against my chin. But I'm going to say he did. So I said OK, and I put it up to his chin and lo and behold, there was ABB in it. And so he got shot in the chin. You know, moral that story. Don't every weapon is loaded regardless. Don't ever.

And that you know, that's a good example, but better him than me and course who got spanked for it. I did. When I explained to my dad he he wanted to see what it felt like with the air on his chin and so it was his fault. But Needless to say, I think I got beat with a black rubber hose. You're the one that did shoot him. I. Did pull the trigger, but I mean, I mean he helped out. How did you once knock somebody out during a potato fight? I guess I had a pretty good

right arm. Yeah, you're right. We were rambunctious. We were into everything. This one particular time we were out throwing potatoes at at each other. And I wasn't trying to knock someone out, but I say a local neighbor. I mean, it was, it was like a couple miles up the road was over and I just happened to hit him the right place at the right time with a potato and knocked him out cold.

And Brick said your brother. Once my old brother, he took a beating from me I hit him one time with a brick, had rushed him to the hospital, cut him up under his eye, I. Mean this was intentional. Was I mean you? Guys, you guys were throwing bricks, BB gun. I was not trying to hurt him with ABB gun with a brick. I was trying to hurt him. He and A and a buddy of his were actually, they were harassing me and they were trying to hold me down, beat me up, all this stuff, typical whatever.

And so I got away. I was actually going up the steps in our barn and they were coming up and I, I warned them. I said I had a brick and I said if you come, I'm going to throw it at you. And they kept coming. So I threw it and guess who got a weapon for that? I did, but I I had no choice. You you dated your wife for 12 years before you got married and I guess she kind of, it was part of the crew when you guys were younger. Did you really have her jump off the second story into the

shallow end of a pool? Once she had no choice, me and my brother we. Right. I mean, the shallow end was the close in, so you didn't want you wanted to make it. So you take off running off of our pool house. And, you know, and I think back, if my kids were doing that, I'd be like worried sick thinking of all the things that I did when we would be swimming in the river with Gators. I mean, not necessarily there. If I saw a Gator on the river, I would not go out there and swim.

But maybe three days later, I wouldn't be, you know, I mean, but you and I now are thinking that's that's, that's stupid. Well, we're jumping off this pool house and we thought nothing of it. But now I think, you know, 1 misstep or you know, you, you trip, don't you fall and hit the concrete. But we didn't, you know, we didn't think that way. We just knew run as fast you could, jump as far as you could, you would be fine.

And so we pulled Deanna with us and well, and you know, I go back to my brother being shot in the chin. She got up there, you know, so she, she sort of was willing. And then we just took her the rest of the way and we, you know, she was always not necessarily up for whatever, but she reluctantly would, would try things. End up in the ER a lot as kids. You would think so.

I mean my my older brother and my younger brother did a few times because I hit my younger brother in the mouth with a aluminum bat one time and had rushing. Not intentional. Not necessarily. I knew he was there. OK, but that forewarned him that we were playing baseball. You need to get out of the way and he's running around like through a sprinkler. And he was he was a little over. He knew better, but he didn't

know better. He he really did after that and just cracked him in the mouth, knocked all his teeth out and had rushed him to hospital. And my older brother was allergic to everything growing up. He's since grown out of all of them. He's allergic to bees, cats, a lot of different foods. So I just remember one time there was a big red walls nest under a a window eave. And so he looks under, you know, and right away danger. And I looked at it and said opportunity. And on the.

Smacked it with a broom and got him stung and, but by the time we got into the hospital and made his head was like that big, you know, And I thought it was the neatest thing, but we get along right now. I'm glad, yeah. When when you first got drafted in your first like big press conference that you had, you remember the Atlanta Falcons. You make some joke about where you grew up. What happens to your parents mailbox? You know that was. It was intended really to it was

intended as the situation. Yeah, I mean, I love, right? I was very proud of where I was from, right? It was completely taken the wrong way. Yeah, you know, but you know, I was, I was talking, I made it. I I made it. I guess it came across as being like hillbillies and moonshining and gambling and all this stuff. And, and I didn't mean it in AI know it sounds crazy, but I didn't mean it in a negative way, derogatory way. I was proud of where I came from.

But some people didn't see it that way. And that's the case a lot of times in those situations. But yeah, my my parents caught a lot of everything is fine and dandy now, but there for a long time they they caught a lot of Flack. I can't even remember what happened. I don't know if they. Just told somebody shot up their mailbox. I was going to say that it got knocked over or something, but you're right. You're right there.

I mean that. I just remember, like my parents saying, Gee, thanks, you know, you get to go off and live somewhere else. We have to be here every day. Yeah. But yeah, you live and learn. When you were growing up, you didn't always play quarterback. You were put in once a wide receiver, My first Well. The first time I ever played I was a wide receiver.

And I mean, I don't even know if that qualifies as playing, but it was my fifth grade year I guess, and got one of the few times the ball was ever thrown at my school period, even when I play quarterback. Just happened to be when I was receiver and I caught it sort of and fell on the ball and got the wind knocked out and started crying and I thought this receiver position sucks. I'm, you know, I'm I got to play

something else. And actually after that play, after being a whiny baby, I got moved to quarterback and never looked back. So. How would you describe the area that you grew up in? Very rural, although it's growing some a lot more so today, but growing up it was. The kill. Yeah, I mean, there was a lot. You didn't bike to your neighbor's house. There wasn't like a. And why not everybody lived too far away. From each other. There wasn't Rd. bikes back

then. You know, you had like a little Huffy with tassels hanging off and you just you didn't do it. There wasn't like community pick up football games, baseball games because there just was not communities. I mean there you were patchy. You know, people were, were spread out whenever people had to ride. But ride a bus 4550 minutes to to school and you may have

passed 3 houses along the way. You know, maybe it was just, it was, it was out in the country, but hard working as we kind of talked early about naive and not not knowing what you're missing and stuff. I mean, for me, all I knew was football and baseball. My dad was a football coach. He, he was driver's Ed teacher at my school for 30 years. My mom was a special education teacher. We didn't go on trips. I never skipped school.

The fact that I went 12 years without missing the day of school, it's hard to miss when your parents are driving you to school. And so that's all I knew and there wasn't any other distractions out there. Your father, as you mentioned, was the head coach at the high school you played at. What do you think you must learn from him? You know, The thing is with my dad, you know, and it never bothered me because I was one of those that I was self motivated enough.

And a lot of, and I, I had this conversation with people all the time when you talk about what it was like with their dad growing up, especially down in the South. And it was this tough love. He may tell other people, Boy, I'm proud of that Boy, I never heard that. I, I know he was proud of me, but it was almost like this fear of, of being soft, you know, from his standpoint or from, from, you know, he had to be tough all the time. And even when I'd made it, you know that.

But that was OK because, you know, regardless of how I played in any game, I never, I mean, there were sometimes after a game, I was like, you know, I played pretty good. You know, I may not tell people that, but I felt that way. But even in those times, I would say, but you know, that that was that's what's tough about playing the game for me, or was tough is at some point the expectations were so great even I couldn't that I placed upon us.

The better you play, the tougher it is to outdo yourself, if that makes any sense. And that's the way my dad was like after a game. I mean, that's the way I looked at my career and the way I played. I was always, I was never like, OK, finally, you know, I've arrived. I mean, that's the way I need to play it. Was it? I never felt that way. Yeah. Was I content at times, but I always push myself.

So what he would do or say didn't really bother me a whole lot because I was still, you know, internally was the same way, but I did. It's at times would be like thinking, I wouldn't say anything, but I'd be thinking, you know, I mean, a good job would be good to hear right now, you know, like where you played well, but odd boy, you know, it wasn't bad, but you can play a little bit better than that. Or what, what happened on that one play?

I'd be like, it might be 70 good plays and there was 1 bad one. And he would, he would bring that to light. And I, you know, I think part of growing up, part of being a parent is learning from your mistakes, learning from what your parents say or as a parent, learning from past mistakes that maybe your parents made or said or, and you know, he, but he, it

was, it was tough love. I mean, and he was a, he was a coach first with me. And I would say to him at times, like when I was playing high school football for him, I said, Dad, I think we ought to throw it some well, I think you ought to let me run the damn team. And, and you just, you do what I say. I'm like, you know, kind of Gee,

thanks. You know, I wouldn't say that, but I'm like, if you want your son to get a scholarship now, I wouldn't say that to him, but I'm thinking to myself, surely he wants me to get a scholarship. He's got to throw the ball. But but Long story short, it worked out and we didn't throw the ball and that makes him look like. It rocked me, except it did almost prevent you from getting a scholarship because you did have this strong arm. Yeah, but he didn't look at it that. Way and.

You're absolutely right. You know, to him almost was 100% guarantee, right. You know, it all worked out in the end and that's the way he he looked at things that he didn't have to change his coaching style or or whatever. And and I know, I do know that he he was not going to change, even even if it was for the better of the team when it in

regards to his son. So he was not going to throw, even if it would have helped the team, because he didn't want people to think that he was playing favoritism to his son. And and that's wrong. But you know, I'm not saying let's do what's best for me and the heck with the rest of the team, but but you should, you know, you should help your son out if he's the best player. And he he but yeah, he almost stick to my guns. And it was crazy thing my older

brother played for him. They threw it all the time and I was much better thrower than my brother. He may say differently. You think he was tougher on you? Oh, absolutely. And and Scott, my older brother, and Jeff, my younger brother, would probably say the same thing. For whatever reason, I and only he could answer that. Of course he's gone now, but only he can answer that. I my only I, I just think that he saw maybe more than me, not anything against my two

brothers. Scott and I were a lot alike size wise, throwing. I probably was a little bigger and and maybe a little more physical than him. I was taller than Jeff. But maybe dad saw something in me that set me apart from those two. I don't know. And so maybe he was hard on me because of that. You were out on a golf course and you, you know, didn't have your cell phone with you.

Your wife calls the teammate that you're with and he turns to you and tells you the tragic news that your father had passed away, had a heart attack. You have Monday Night Football the next day that you're supposed to be playing in and are left with the decision of whether to play in the game or fly home to Mississippi. Why do you decide to play? It was easy. It was a it was a tough choice, but it was an easy choice, if that makes any sense.

Up to that point, any, any conversations with my dad always involve football. As far back as I could remember. And as I look back at even today, if I saw a picture of me as a as a child before, you know, I could remember and I just see a picture. It has to do with football or baseball not working on the truck. You're not sawing down trees, not, you know, going to a business meeting that not, you know what it was football or baseball. And that's, that's what we did.

That's who we were. That's what we talked about. And when I say that that's what he would have wanted me to do, that's that's the truth. Tough, tough to do it in those circumstances. But that was the, I look at it this way. Thankfully for me, I was not in the situation of my two brothers and my sister to have to be there where I could kind of get away from it. There's nothing I can do by being there.

But I'm, I'm, I was so relieved, not necessarily at that moment, but as I look back on that moment, I was so relieved that I had football to take, take me away from that. You know, I had something to distract my mind and all the teammates. It was such an amazing moment in such a tragic circumstance to see how the guys rallied around me and I really at that point really understood what a team and a family we really was about. Now the tough part was I knew I I needed to play.

I knew I wanted to play, but I didn't want to play and play bad. I felt like playing and playing bad was not honoring my dad. Playing and playing at a high level was. But you know, I could have never have imagined to play the way I did. I was so fearful that I would just lay an egg, understandably so. I was more fearful that more so than that, I would have played the way I did. And that's apparently the only game you've ever been really

scared for. Yeah, You know, I, that was the by far the most nervous I've ever been for a game, Super Bowls included. I think the only one that would be close would be Green Bay and Lambeau when I was with Minnesota. But still, you know, the pressure that I felt to play the best I've ever played right after my dad died was I I can't even. Relate to you how that felt and and because of that, I don't

think you ever. I don't think there's a whole lot of good that comes out of like a scared type of nervousness. I think there's, you know, there is a, you know, a fine line there And I thought I I was on the I'm going to screw up side more than I was on. It's OK to be a little nervous and, and anxious and excited, but I, I felt more on the, you know, I'm going to lay an egg and that's, that's never a good, good approach. I don't believe you like giving speeches, but you asked the head

coach to speak to the team. What did you say? You know, I don't even remember exactly what I I've only done that a couple of times as a leader of of the team for 20 years, the guys that I played with would probably tell you Brett didn't talk very much. Now when I played, I was probably more vocal. I was never a rah rah guy or but I was always a motivational guy. But in the moment, not like prior to the game, you didn't see me call the team up and and give this new rockney type of speech.

It just wasn't my nature. Even though I, I wasn't a quiet guy, I would kind of turn into a different guy like once I was never controversial until a game. I would yell at a referee or or get get hostile where if I saw the guy on the street, I, I would never complain about a call. That was just not my nature. And that's the way I was with, with, with speaking with the

team. And, you know, I, I don't remember exactly what I said, but I think it was more probably along the lines of not sure how I'll play. You know, I more or less what I've told you that I want to play at a high level for obvious reasons, but we still had a chance for the playoffs. I do remember that we needed to win that game and the next game and need some help from from other teams. So it was crucial that we won.

And I didn't want to take away or distract from what our main focus was and has to get to the playoffs. And I think the guys that that I played with over the years would say that that that's, that's true that his his focus was the team. And so I didn't want to take away, but I needed the guy's help more than anything. I need your help to carry me through. I don't want to play and play bad and hurt this team. And you say, well, you had an excuse.

I didn't want an excuse, but I did need their help. And that's more or less what I tried to get across. As the players are running out, you're playing Oakland. In Oakland, the Raiders fans are doing player after player after player. Then you come out. What's the crowd? Reaction, literally a standing ovation. And and you're right, even in the best of circumstances for their home team, they don't get

that type of response right. So I was, I was, and if Deanna was here right now, she'd tell you the same thing. The, the response from the Oakland fans was from fan. I mean, whether it was Oakland or anywhere else, it just happened to be Oakland, which makes it even more impressive because of how how tough they are. The, the, the respect that they gave was unbelievable. We had a police escort after us because Deanna charted a plane.

We flew back to Green Bay. We got, it was right before Christmas. We got a Christmas presents from under the tree. We loaded them up the plane. We went to Mississippi for for the funeral and the wake. So it was a it was a a crazy couple of days. But so right after the game, instead of flying back to the team, we, we, we went ahead right away and they gave a police escort that would make, I think the president blush. I mean, it was, it was that special.

I mean, it was and that so and it started with the standing ovation as I run out, you know, and I've played in Oakland, a Fairmount. It ain't usually that way. So I I was truly thankful to. You You had 399 yards, 4 touchdowns, one of the finest performances of your career. How much did that mean to you? Oh my goodness, there was better what I had envisioned or how I had envisioned playing, which

obviously was was good. I I had envisioned playing well, it was not so I've far exceeded what I would had hoped out how I would play. You know, I mean, there were there were some of the best throws. As I think back to that game, there were a couple throws that that would rank as maybe some of my best ever. Really. But there were also some that had no chance of being caught by our guys. But yet they were. And so it was just one of those

nights. You started for a record 18 1/2 years straight in the NFL, 297 games or 321 games including playoffs. What's the most difficult part of, and I should say that's the record that you're most proud of, What's the most difficult part of doing that? Boy, I don't, you know, that's I could give you a long list physically. You know, I would think if you polled 10 people who knew a little bit about football and you said what would be the toughest, you probably would get

more physically. I would say from 8 out of 10 would probably say physically the demand that you face week in week out that it's some somewhere along the way you're going to get hurt bad enough to not play whether you want to play or not that something's going to happen. And I would say that that would be the case.

The law of averages is going to catch up with you 18 1/2 years sprain and ankle bad enough you tear tear a knee ligament, you break a thumb and I say that because I did all those or you you come down with the flu so bad. You know you, I mean you would think that that so that from AI mean there was times that when I broke my thumb, for example, I thought I didn't think, OK, the streak's over. Thumb on the throwing hand. Thumb on the throwing hand.

If you, if you just asked me or said to me before I'd ever broken my thumb, if you said, you know, what would you think a broken thumb when you throw in hand would be enough to keep you out? And that's absolutely a thumb on my throwing hand. I mean, I'm done. But yet I ended up playing and and playing great with that torn knee ligament. I can't tell you many times I've hurt my ankle. I can't tell you how many times I've separated my shoulders, had concussions.

But mentally, you know, in order to play that long, just say you withstand the physical part of it. It's tough to be good week in week out consistently long enough that they don't have to worry about that position where they just, you know, he's got that handle. If you go four or five weeks in a row where you absolutely suck, they're going to they're going to play someone else. They just they have to you can't go on a slump for too long.

And so I that from that standpoint, so physically if you're OK, it's being good consistently enough for a long time. Well, it's interesting you say that because your brother has said before that part of the reason behind the streak is, you know, if you go down that gives somebody else an opportunity to start at quarterback and and if you don't go down, somebody else doesn't have that opportunity.

So how how much was there? That is sort of I. Always. I always had the little man on my shoulder saying, remember how you played? You came in the game because the guy in front of you got hurt and no one knew who you were, and now no one knows who he is. And that's the way it works. And so you need to always be looking over your shoulder. And even when I had won three MVPS in a row from the outside looking in, you may have thought that guy's not worried about his job.

I always was worried about my job because you're only I mean, I was never I was naive and, you know, come across as old, you know, country dumb guy. But I knew that you were play away from never playing again. And someone else comes in and their first throw is a touchdown and the crowd goes wild and it's not about you and how quickly they can forget you. I knew that. I knew that.

So I always reminded myself of that and always pushed myself and motivated myself to never if if I could get myself up and come back and play. I didn't necessarily do it because I didn't want the other guy to play, although that was part of it. I did it because I love to play and I wanted the guys to be able to count on me no matter what. And I took a lot of pride in that. But I also knew that they'll they'll forget you pretty

quickly. What expectations did you have for yourself when you entered the NFL? You know my I tell people this all time I play 20 years. There wasn't a day that went by and my growing up in Mississippi that I did not dream of playing football, but I never dreamed all the dreams that I had about football. We're all and but not too many people can say this first of all came true, but we're far exceeded by what I actually

accomplished. And that's, that's such an amazing, amazing thing because most people, it's like, you know, I dreamed of this, but I never got that chance or whatever. For me, I dreamed of, of playing in the, in the National Football League. I used to, I loved Archie Manning. I was a Saints fan. It was tough back then, but I was really was a Cowboys fan. I love Rodger Staubach and I, I was both of those guys. I was out in the yard all the

time. I, you know, last second, you know, I was running around and I just envisioned being them running out on the field in the Superdome as a St. like Archie Manning did, running out as Rodger Staubach and, and, and that's really what I dreamed of. I didn't dream of winning three MVPS. I didn't dream of playing 297 straight games. I didn't dream I I, I did dream of playing the Super Bowl, but I didn't Pro Bowl, all those other things. I didn't let it Hall of Fame's

all that never crossed my mind. I just wanted to play And, and then before I knew it, all this other stuff had happened. And so my expectations were to always play and whatever came along with it came along with it. But so it mean that, you know, it's such an amazing thing to say that you're you out, you know, you, you outdid your dream. How competitive are you? Well, I, I don't know how competitive I am now.

I probably still am. It's just hard to, you know, how do you relate that to play in the National Football League? But when I was playing, I think that's what set me apart from for most of the guys, it wasn't that I was the tallest, the fastest, the biggest, the smartest, but I was the most competitive. I was determined that it, you know, and then that filters down. OK, What does that necessarily mean that you know, you competitive is it's such a vague word.

I, I knew no one could wanted to win as bad as I I wanted to win. I just knew that and and I was determined that whatever I had to do to win, I was going to do. If I had to block, if I had to hand off, if I had to throw, if I had to come from behind, if I had to work harder than the next guy at whatever I had to do, I was going to do. I I, I heard a story that you challenged a teammate to a punt, kick and pass contest something outside. It was a. Past contest. A past contest and he ends up

beating you and you're furious. Well. Actually, I'm thinking of he didn't beat me. It was actually a good friend of mine, Billy Joe Tolliver, who was we're still great friends today. And he was so much like me. It wasn't funny because he thought he was the best. He thought he should have been a starter. We were both. He was second string, I was third string in Atlanta. And we were so much alike. We hated each other. I mean, technically we didn't hate each other, but we we

fought about everything. And he had a great arm, he did. Is there a downside to being that competitive? I don't know, I'm sure there's a downside to anything. It worked for me. It's, it's a little more disheartening when you lose something when you're so competitive because it matters so much to you and the littlest things matter to you, you know, and my wife is ultra competitive too. And so even when we're on teams, we're competing against each other, you know, and that's.

So I think the downside, if there is one, is that when you're playing checkers, you, you love to play, you know, you love to compete, you lose at checkers. I mean, it's, I mean, it's not life or death, but you get the point. I mean, it's, but again, stuff matters to you, you know, I think it should, you know, some matter more than others. Winning the Super Bowl matters more than winning the game of checkers, I would think.

But I think the, the, the really good players, I would say most of them are super competitive because it really matters to them. Not only does it matter winning or losing, but but being the best or being being an impact player, being the one who I wanted to be the one who had the ball. I wanted to be the one who made a difference or did make a difference. Of course I wanted to make a difference in a positive way. I wanted to win the game. I didn't want to be watching

right. I want, as tough as it may be, I wanted to be the one out there who who determined whether we won or lost. What do you think's responsible for your success? I thank God more than anything, you know, there's some things we can control, some things we can't control. And the good Lord had blessed me with, and it happens to a lot of people are blessed with something maybe that they know they have and then in some cases

they don't know they have. And it's, it's up to the parents or, or a coach or a teacher or something to bring that out of them. And of course my dad brought that out of me. But I knew I had a gift. I didn't know what I how far it would take me, but I knew I could throw better than anyone. Now accuracy and learning to read defenses and all those things had to come along with it. But there's no one could outthrow me. And I was just a little skinny

kid. It's like when I went to the LSU football camp as a 15 year old kid, no one, they walked past me and didn't think twice about me. I was that big around that freckles. My knees were actually bigger than my thighs. I mean, I just I came down and kind of did like this and again, I would be the one pick last on, but when I threw it, you know that everyone stopped and was

like, whoa, who is this? And that I knew that set me apart and in this determination I knew that I had that I just never, there was never one day that went by and I honestly can say that that I didn't think I would make it. Imagine how disheartening it would have been had I not made it like, you know, I'm there's, there was never doubt. That's the thing that I think about that is just as amazing to me that not one day went by that I thought, you know what I mean?

The chances are not good. I always thought the chances were good. You mentioned your MVPS and there's one year in particular I want to ask you about because as part of the preparation for this interview, I just found it, like, impressive and extraordinary what you went through and the fact that you were still able to have great success that year. You won an MVP and then have success in the seasons after that.

And that's 1996. The first nine months of the year were presumably really tough on you. You know, you're now wife and daughter almost leave because of your painkiller addiction. Your sister was arrested for being in the car during a drive by shooting. Your brother drives drunk, gets in an accident that kills your close friend. What was the difficulty like for you involved with going through all that?

Well, you know, I thank God that I made it through, but I, you know, and I don't want to sound like, I don't want to say that selfishly because there were other people involved in all this that were directly affected or indirectly affected by the trickle down effect, if you will. The one constant through all that was football.

And it was a, for me, it was a good place to escape And, and I shouldn't say hide, but, but I was able to just, it was kind of like talking to someone when I play football. Rather, it's kind of like going back to, you know, talking about when my dad passed away. I would much rather have been playing than to sit in a Funeral Home. And that's just me. It gave me a way to escape but also feel like I was actually doing something good.

You know, we're trying to do something good, you know that. And it just so happens that that was the year we won the Super Bowl, you know, go figure. You know, I and I, I say this more so lately that as I've gotten older, you know, I, my, my belief in God has gotten stronger. But you, you, God's timing is not our timing. And and you know, that's that's a perfect example of, you know,

why me or all it? And then all of a sudden, you know, like you go from the worst to the best feeling and you know, you, Oh, sorry, God, you know, but life goes on and we we sure have and I sure have faced my demons and circumstances, you know, not in like a lot of other people. It's just that some people that you don't know about, but being able to overcome those and and doing something positive with your life is is most important thing.

Not necessarily I made football games you've won, but just I think a daily walk with with the people you confront, you know, what type of impact do you leave on them? And and so I felt like football was a way to, it wasn't really my focus, but it was a. I, I realized that over time that I I've made a positive impact on people and if I sucked, it would be different. But fortunately I didn't suck enough that I could I could was able to withstand.

You know, I, I read the book you wrote many years back and I, I was really surprised by how open and honest you were about the, you know, Vicodin addiction, which also, you know, 96 same period. What led to all of that happening in your opinion? I don't think I can put my finger on one one particular thing other than pain. Pill addiction obviously started because of pain. Now there came a point, I don't know exactly when that point was where it wasn't about the pain anymore.

It was about the effect. And what started out as harmless, say harmless, I mean, I sprained ankle, my ankle's killing me. Or a separated shoulder. You take rightfully so, you take a couple pain pills, get through the night. And by no means am I blaming it on any person or, or football itself. It's just, and some people more prone to addictions than others. I mean, I, I can almost teach a class on addictions.

Not that I'm an expert, but somewhere in your genetic makeup, you're probably more susceptible to to addictions than others. And you just need the right opportunity, you know, to kick start it. And, and in my case that probably, you know, was first separated shoulder or ankle or then it got to where I you become a great manipulator and. In what ways? When you were not hurt, you, you, You know, I needed a couple more pain pills, man, My shoulder's killing me.

You know who? Who's going to argue? To what extent did you feel like at the time that you needed it to play well? I don't think I need it. Well, I it's been a long time, but I, I knew what I was doing. I knew that I didn't necessarily need it, but I but I sure like the way it felt and I knew it was wrong. How did it feel? Well, you know, I tell people all the time that I took 15 Vicodin ES at one time and they, they're like, I didn't knock you out. And I said I did totally the opposite.

I was, I was up. I was and, and that's kind of the way with addictions too. I mean, you what it, what it's supposed to do it It doesn't. So when you know, you take 2 pain pills, you're knocked out and you don't feel pain, you wake up what, 4568 hours later, I would be up and just talking and just, I mean, I was, I didn't want to sleep until about 10:00 the next morning when we were in offensive meetings is about the only time I went to sleep. Not a good time to want to sleep.

And, and I doze off of it, leaning back into the like a coat rack in our quarterbacks meeting room. And so I mean, I, it was, and this went on for a long time. It wasn't just 96. How long that's when that's when people knew about it because of the announcement. I don't know. I mean, it started three years before maybe. I mean, I just, I was taking pain pills before that, but maybe not abuse them.

It it took a while before maybe I there, there's probably this period where you don't, you don't really know that you're abusing them. You don't really know that you're manipulating the system. And then there comes a point where you go, I really don't need these. But when that exactly was, I don't know it. Again, it was a long time ago, but. How long were you taking 15 a day for?

You know, I don't remember how the how the the dynamics of it work, but say 2 gave me an effect that I liked. After a month, it it 2 didn't do anything. So you needed three and it may have been less than that, and then four and then, you know, maybe so on and so forth. And again, I don't remember how long it took before you had to graduate up to to more, but I knew that 15 was hard to come by. It's hard, hard to get out a

month. A month's prescriptions was is 30. What is the 30 pills or something, you know, depending on what they prescribed for you. And I was going through that in 2 days. Well, so I was having to hustle a lot and you know, I, I'd ask this guy for pills and that guy for pills and that guy for pills. And you know, I mean, after a while it got, you know, I was going back around pretty

quickly. Did people start scratching their heads like, Oh no. I mean, I was the last one to know, you know, it's one of those things and no one knows what's going on. But like my wife said, she goes everyone knew, but I thought no one knew. You mentioned sleep, I think that one of the side effects was you only sleep like hour 2 hours a night caused you to throw up a lot. You would drink like gallons of water, yet you wouldn't even be able to be, apparently.

The, the adverse effects, probably, it was probably good that I was 232425 years old because you can, you can overcome a lot because of your age. If I sleep five hours now, I'm terrible the next day. I need to, you know, it's harder as in a 40 year old award to get a good night's sleep. For whatever reason. You wake up, I guess you got to go to the bathroom a lot. But now, not drinking, not taking pain pills, all that

stuff, I feel pretty good. But even then I I think back and I go, wow, how in the world did I do it? What happened at the 96 Espy's that made your wife confront you about it? I probably about like some of the other times where I just had had had taken too many pain pills and drank at the same time. Not a good combination. One of them is not a good, you know, a good thing to do and just I can't. I vaguely remember that situation, but I mean it.

I probably had promised her that I wouldn't take pain pills and again, thought I had everything under control and probably was throwing up and and self destructing much like I had before. And I'd had two seizures after, after this incident that you're talking about. One was in the hospital in Green Bay after an ankle surgery. And I woke up all these doctors and, and Deanna and our oldest daughter Brittany's, like, it looks like, you know, someone had died. And I'm like, what's the deal?

And I said, you just had a, a seizure. I'm like, for what? And then I had another one at our house in Green Bay two nights before one of our games. And all this was a result of a lack of sleep, which was because brought upon because of pain pills. So I mean, I was getting, and I, I just remember a meeting with all kinds of doctors and neurologist.

And, and not to sound like a doctor, but more or less what I was told was your, your brain, this computer, it's yours is short circuiting because of the lack of, of sleep. It's, you know, it's it, you need sleep. And so I like to sleep as much as the next person, but I like the effect of pain pills more at the time. So I was, it was, you know, a dangerous game. And so the second one, really, you know, you think the first one would scare you enough. It was the second one.

The second one scared me enough I thought because it wasn't that far apart from the first one. And one seizure when you're not a seizure person should be scary enough. But that that really struck fear in me. How'd you quit? You know what, I'd love to give you some big formula on how I quit, but I just, I had about four pills left and was trying to figure out how I was going to

get more pills again. And I don't remember the day or the exact moment, but it was, you know, not long after actually this right before we won the Super Bowl, somewhere in that, in that time frame. And I just, I mean, I had kind

of hit rock bottom. I mean, I, I don't say I shouldn't even say kind of, I mean, I, even though things around me seem like they were good internally, I, I'd hit rock bottom and I, I said, I'm going to flush these down the toilet, the remainders and, and, and I remember when I poured them in the toilet and it started to flush. I almost crawled in the toilet to go after them because I thought, what in the world did you just do? I mean, I just had such a dependency on those and it's

not, I was taking 15 a night. Any expert would tell you that's not the way to wean yourself off of you. Should you should start with 12 maybe and then 10 and slowly decrease. I just went cold Turkey and I'm not, I don't say that braggingly, but I know that that was the worst month as far as any kind of recovery that I've ever went to. I shook every night in cold sweats and just it was a it was a constant battle a month or two of what I do now and then now I can't believe I ever drank.

So, you know, there's that window that if you can get past, that's why I look at if you can get past that hump and, and it's different for everyone, but if you can do it, you know, I mean, it's been so long that I think people who are close to me even with, with almost say, you know, it wasn't that bad. People have forgotten. Well, I mean, it's been over 20

years, you know, drinking. This is closing on 20 years and I quit 98. I haven't had a drop since Haven't missed it First couple months I did, but but now I mean you can drink by me. It doesn't bother me when I don't I'm not going to drink. I don't want to. I'm not going to. I can say that in front of you or when I'm by myself driving home. I don't say well, maybe one I just I'm to a point where I'm

I'm beyond that. I've had it's been a long time ago, but had my wisdom teeth cut out after I'd quit taking pain pills and I wanted to take pain pills. That had to be hard, right? That was extremely hard. That was that was probably the toughest test I've ever had. My mouth hurt so bad. But I I just and you know, I think you, you gain you gain something in those times.

I don't recommend, you know, putting yourself through those struggles all the time, but but when you win those battles, you become stronger. And I can't tell you how many times after games since I had quit taking pain pills that I had, it crossed my mind and I was like, Nah, you know, just it wasn't. I mean, I, I had, I had the upper hand on it by that time. What do you remember from blacking out on the final snap of your career? I just remember when I got there was no pain.

God pushed me. We're playing the University of Minnesota, playing Chicago. Harmless, you know, I'd love to to say that the guy hit me hard, but it it was just a push and the field was solid ice almost hard cold threw a little swing route to the left. The guy pushed me and I just kind of slipped, lost my footing and I fell over and just hit the left side of my head, which that's probably been done

thousands of times. And the next thing I remember, I was snoring or trainer had came out on the field. Eric Sugarman, we call him Sugar and he's like, hey, buddy, you all right? I was kind of laying on my stomach with my head on the turn to to my right a little bit and I was snoring. I was taking a good nap and and he says you're right. And I said, hey, I was snoring. It's kind of like he woke me up. He said, I know, but he had a concussion and I thought no pain, nothing.

It was just in fact, I kind of warmed up a little bit. I was freezing before then and I got up and I kind of looked over and I said what a couple of Bears, Urlacher and Lance Briggs feel those guys are clapping. So what are they doing here? And I think I took one step towards the the Bear sideline and shooks it up. Come over here with me, buddy. And went straight to the sideline and I said let's go on

into the locker room. I figured, figured after 20 years, I, I should be able to say what I want to do. Went right in, took a shower, put my street clothes on, got a jacket. Got hot chocolate and a chili dog and I never look back. Never missed it since. Verse New England in 2010. Tell about why you were thinking fireworks were going off. Oh, yeah, that really? Well, it was the only time, first of all in 20 years that I

was ever cut anywhere. And I was cut right here on my chin, which you would think as a quarterback you play 20 years, you get catch a helmet to the chin. And sure, that would happen more than than one occasion. But no, it's kind of like the the writing on the wall the the week before against Green Bay, I broke my foot, broke my calcaneus, which I didn't even know what a calcaneus was. It's your heel bone. OK, give you a little learn

something new everyday anatomy. Lesson but the next week I go and I play against New England. We don't have a chance for playoffs. Maybe that my foot's broken and I'm thinking why am I even trying to play? Who am I trying to impress here? John Wayne. So I play and I ended up playing well. We got a chance to win. We're driving late in the game. My good friend Steve Hutchinson, a great player. He's our left guard been a great player for a long time was was

outstanding. He he won the few times in his career he ever whiffed on a guy. He misses his guy completely. I'm like on the 3 yard line. I see his guy coming. I throw it. Soon as I throw it, man, the lights went out and then kind of like fireworks went off and I get hit right in the chin and Steve's like over the top of me when I look up and he's like, hey, man, you all right? I So what is fireworks going on for? He's like, I, you just got hit in the chin.

I'm sorry. And he said, man, you're bleeding bad. And I was like and my chin was killing me and I had a gash like that. It opened up like that wide and it was meat hanging out of it. Went right in and got it sewed up. My oldest daughter was there at the game. She came down while they were sold me up and I remember looking out and said, Brittany, this is it. You know, I, of course, I think everyone else knew it was it

too. But I, I knew broken foot, first time I've ever been cut, not along along without a concussion. I mean, it was, it was not to mention age. It, it was just time. It seems like, you know, when it rains, it pours. And the injuries? The injuries at 21 are a lot easier to deal with than they are at 41. How many concussions do you think you got during your

career? Here's here where the problem to me lies, not that it really matters at this point, what's done is done, but what is technically or scientifically or or medically A concussion? We know when you see when you see a guy or boxer, for example, get knocked out, that's a concussion. But what about when you get hit? And like in football, a lot of times you don't you don't know it. I even I'm watching now and I, I may, can I may I say I think he might to myself.

He may have had a concussion. You'll see a guy get up and it's when you know, bells are ringing a little bit or you know, like flashbulbs are going off and that stuff that people don't see. You see when someone's out cold and they get up and they they don't know what sideline to go to. That's easy. I guess my point is of the true he's got a concussion with outside looking in those 2-3 maybe maybe, but what about the ones that I got up ran the next play.

You never thought anything of it, but we had a little saying bell was ringing endless, endless, no telling and my understanding as we we find out more about those, the toll of those maybe even greater than the big ones. But again, there's nothing you can do about it. How would it affect you when, whether you got a concussion that everybody knows about or you got one that nobody knew

about? You know, I didn't think much about it. I mean, this was at a time and I, you know, it's not that long since I retired, but I'm talking about back in college and early part of pro career that you were a Sissy. Pardon my, my term there, but you were Sissy if you, if your bell was rung and you let that keep you out. And I, you know, everyone, everyone reacts to different to to pains or hits or something

differently. What may keep one guy out of the game, the next guy may not be out of play. And you know, early in my career I was so, I mean, I was, I was taking pain pill. I I don't know what normal felt like. I couldn't tell you if I had a concussion and and I felt woozy because of a concussion or if it was because of pain. I have no idea.

I would probably say the pain pills, but but there were times after, after I'd gotten clean and sober that I did have what would be borderline concussion, I guess. And I and I had headaches for a day or two. I don't I don't know if it's hard to say if if it ever affected the way I played, I'd have to go back and you know, maybe too far gone to see if that if that day or two after if there's really they're just starting to learn the the effects of concussions and it's not good.

That's the scary thing. How concerned are you about the long term side effects? You know, only when I do interviews like this. OK, like this Dumb media types bring it up. I jokingly said, but, but that is partly there's really not a whole lot I can do worrying as I tell or we tell our youngest daughter all the time. No sense of worrying about something you can't control right now. You know, there's no sense of worrying. I mean, I, I feel, I don't, I

can't say I feel normal. I don't know what normal but I feel pretty good mentally and physically and so. Across that bridge when we get to it. You have any side effects now? I don't know. I don't know. It's like after you have a concussion in the National Football League, you have to take a baseline test, but you have to have a a starting point. And for us older players, they started this like when I was in

my 15th year. So there's 1515 years of wear and tear that we don't know if you're, you know, if you've never had a concussion, you take this test, you got a pretty good starting point and you get what we think is a concussion. And next time you take the test and you can you score considerably lower, your motor skills are out of whack. We kind of know where where you are and, and what the effect of getting hit in the head has on you. With me, it's you know, it's it's the way it is.

They the protocol now is a lot better, but it doesn't help the older guys a lot. You know, I my in fact, coming back from the movies last night, Deanna said, you know, you tell I was telling, I was talking about an old story that she knew about that I don't know how it came up. And I was like, yeah. And she goes, that's not the way it went. And I said, surely it is. I'm the one who the story's about, but I couldn't remember. I can remember, but it's not right.

And she said, well, I got news for you. All the stories you tell are not right. Who am I to argue? But is that is that is that age? Is that concussions? Is that both? Or is that just, I'm a terrible storyteller? I say all of the above. I think I'm a pretty good storyteller, even though they're not necessarily right all the time. So there isn't though any obvious memory loss or pain that no. OK. No, you've said before if you had a son, you probably wouldn't let him play football.

I don't know. Yeah, I mean, I told Matt Lauer that and maybe maybe what I should have said is, and maybe I did say it, but it would be tough. I don't say how I cannot let him play because I'd always, I mean, I can't make him not play. But if he chose not to, I don't think I would be that upset. And and for two reasons. The expectations would be if he never in my mind, he you know, I may, may be proud of him, but to everyone else, if he if he doesn't exceed what I did, then he's a failure.

Not everybody can be Peyton and Eli, you know, and I'll do what their dad did. So from that standpoint, I would just I would, I would hate for him to be faced with that. You know why, you know, your dad did this, why didn't you do that? So on and so forth. But also the physical effect as we're just finding out.

I mean, I know football's violent sport and I would I would have trouble watching him as a you know, it's kind of talk talking early about the things we did as a kid and now as an adult, I'm thinking, my goodness, I can't believe I did that. I'd be worried sick about my kids. That's the way I would feel as I watched him play. Just hate for him to get hit, worried about him getting up, not getting up, the cumulative

effect of that. Not to mention the the the pressure he would face daily to be the best. Aaron Rodgers, he has, you know, made it pretty clear that when you guys were playing, when you were the starter, when he was the backup, you guys really didn't have much of a relationship. What? Why do you think that was? That's not uncommon. You know, we watch film together. His locker was, you know, like right there from mine. We were in meetings together daily.

Other than that, I mean, that's not uncommon. You know, a lot of the guys that I played with quarterback wise, I probably spent more time with Aaron than I did with those. I mean, it's the exception would be Doug Peterson, who who was a long time backup and great friend and Matt Hasselbeck and, and those two play with me for 10 years or more. And you know, they wear on your, I wear on them. I mean, you can't help but be around each other, but that's

not uncommon. That's not that that has nothing to do with, but not to mention it. I'm much older than him. I shouldn't say much, but I'm considerably older than him. And what he does and what I do are different when you leave the building. His likes are different than my likes. And but I would always, if I was watching film, which I watched a lot of film by myself and I can remember a numerous occasion, Hey, what you watching? Come on in.

So I wouldn't say, hey, now I that that's just not me. You know, I never felt threatened my job, although I knew that at some point I would not be the starter in Green Bay. I knew that well. That's the, I guess, the question that some people would have. Do you think there was any hesitation on your end to be closer because you knew this was a guy that was brought in to ultimately take over for you? No. OK. No, I I really didn't.

When when they drafted him in the first round, that was that was usually, that's usually a good sign that they're preparing for the the end in the beginning, if you will. How do you feel about it when it happened? I was surprised it took that long really, but I but I was proud of the fact that it took that long. I seen a lot of first round picks come and go at different positions, but quarterback was not one of them. So I was proud of that. First round pick comes up, they

don't pick a quarterback. Wasn't like, I was like, yes, I just didn't think twice about it. And and that went on for a long time. So the one constant was I was going to be the quarterback and the quarterback and everyone was OK with that and that was a good feeling. To what extent do you think you could have been a better mentor to him than you were? I think I was, I think a lot of it falls on, you know, I, I don't know what the consensus feeling is of the general public

in this regard. I mean, I've, I've kind of been asked this question, It's been talked about in the past and I don't know where the, the, the present starter like myself in that case is, is paid to be a mentor, so to speak, or if that's part of the job description. I don't think that that well, I think there's a misconception.

Maybe there's a misconception. I don't know him or anyone else anything other than in my opinion, being a nice guy and being, being, you know, thoughtful and I just, but I, you know, I don't have to give him any insights to what I do or don't do. That being said, I, I was, and I guess backing up, I think it the, the mentorship, whether you're the mentor or the one being mentored, so to speak, I think it falls more on the the person who is being mentored or

wants to be rather than the old vet. I don't, I think the young guy, it's up to him to to at least ask and. And I have no opinion in this argument, but there are some that would say, well you're you're the legend, the face of the franchise, it should be on you to be the 1 reaching out. Why? I said. Why? He's young guy doesn't maybe have the confidence to go up to OF of Brett Favre and. I think as a starter, my job's hard enough to win ball games and, and be a leader.

And I and I, I'm not, you're not a babysitter. And and I'm not by no means talking about Aaron, but it's he, he's the starter now. So the next quarterback comes in whether he's a first round pick or third round pick or a free agent, but they like him. Nowhere does it say that you have to take that guy under your wing and teaching the ropes. You don't have to do anything but win ball games for whoever it is you're the starting quarterback for.

Ultimately, that's what keeps you around or does it right? That's the bottom. Whether or not you take a guy under your wing means really nothing. And so it's, you know, I if if there is a, you know, a belief out there that I did not help not only Aaron Rodgers or help other players, first of all, that's wrong. To what extent that I help them, heck, I don't know. How does that compare to other guys across the league? I don't know. How much do you think all of

it's just been fed by the media? I think most of it is OK, you know, I, you know, and, and and I could be a lot of stuff. Controversy sells it. You know it, it's interesting, you know, like the two guys that get along and work well together. Who wants to read about that? Who cares? But the two guys who are giving each other the finger and and talking bad about this for that, that's that's what we want, you know. So I think that in that regards, yeah.

I mean, the media fuels a lot. Of and it's interesting you say that too, because it leads in perfectly to this topic and that being retirement. You know, you have to wonder how much of that was really fed and progressed by the media. But why do you think you went back and forth so much about? Well-being a retirement is sort of in some ways is facing kind of what I faced made a terrible loss. The questions are just bombarding you.

No, even if he's not in a press conference wherever he goes. There was a time and and I believe it or not still to this day may go somewhere and it's few and far between where someone say I I'm hoping you come back. I mean it's crazy but I still get that. So imagine like when I first retired like. Well, it's not that crazy. You got called by the Rams not too. Long ago, but just the constant Willie and not to mention your own. You look in the mirror and you go, what am I going to do?

I I don't know you have to face that with everyone you leave out of the house. Hey, were you coming back for another year? What I mean, it's just and when you when you're at and there's no way I can explain to you the feeling because it's only happened to a few guys.

But when you're 40 years old, 373830 what whatever and you lose a game like Peyton lost or I lost against New Orleans, the last thing you want to think about is football, even though that's the only thing you're going to think about, unfortunately, you're going to think about what you should have done, how you could have done it. The redemption part of it comes to mind. Like we were so close. I know. But do I want to put myself through that again and and have

heartbreak yet again? Do I do I want to go through? Do I want to start over and do all this again? And then you then you stop and you go and can I do it daily and physically like I want to do it because each year, you know, that becomes tougher and tougher. Your mind tells you, you can, but maybe your body's not cooperate. And so that was that was my, my

dilemma. It made it, I didn't want to think about it. And so when I was asked, I was asked and I was asked and I was asked and you, you almost hate the question and you, you almost hate the answer, whatever it may be, yes or no. Yeah, I am coming back. The I don't really want to do this. Then you say, no, I'm, I don't want to come back right now.

And then later on, you're like, you know, maybe I do have a little bit, you know, so there's no way I can explain to you what that feels like because obviously I don't have it figured out myself. Oh no. It was interesting, though, watching an appearance you made on Letterman around that time. I think you'd just retired from the Packers. And I was watching the appearance the other day and he's asking you about it.

And even though you'd retired, it really didn't seem like you were confident in your decision to stay retired. But you retired and then June 2008, you called the Packers head coach up and say you want to come back. What was said on that call? Not a lot on my end. Mike was not too happy, but understandably so. What did he say? They had gone in a different direction, as you imagine, and I threw a kink into the whole situation because the offseason is not necessarily offseason.

You're preparing for next season and you're you're kind of correcting and doing all the things that happened the previous season. Well, you can imagine I'd been there 16 years and now you're shifting gears. I mean, this is a big deal and going in a different direction with a different quarterback and probably a philosophy to a certain a certain degree. So that was more or less what, you know, Mike was saying in his way. And of course there's two hard headed people on the phone.

I felt like I could still play and I was wrong for retiring early, but I should have known and he should have known that that was my my thought process. Like, you know, no one loves football in April or March. Better yet a 40 year old guy, a 37 year old guy. I don't know if too many of them go. I can't wait for mini camp. I can't wait for OTAs. You know, I just gosh darn it, I

love this. I don't know if too many and when you when you've when you suffered a tough loss and a great season, but a devastating loss to end. I don't know if too many that then that are are care anything about it. But given time, you you know that that itch will come back a little bit and as hasn't hasn't come back in four years. So I know I've made the right decision. I don't miss when I saw Peyton lose that. I don't miss that one bit.

I don't, you know, there's always chance you win. There's always a chance you lose. I don't want to take that chance. I know that. But then I did. How much did you feel like you were forced into making your your retirement decision initially? You let your emotions rather than stopping and thinking, which is what I should have done. You don't. You don't do that. And I can only speak from my end. I should. I should have stood my ground and not retired early. And.

Gave it more time, stood your. Ground. What do you mean there was there was pressure? Well, Mike wanted to know, and that's as his, as the head coach of the team or Ted Thompson's job as AGM. I think rightfully so. They need to know which direction they're going to go in. But there was nothing in the rule books that said I had to give them an answer until the day of the training camp. Quite frankly, I could day of training camp, say, you know, I

decided I don't want to play. That'd be kind of a cruel way to do it. You know, like you could have told us early so we could have prepared for this. Or, you know, I could retire early and and then have four months to think about it and then all of a sudden, right when training camp starts, I could go, you know, I kind of want to be there again. The last four years I haven't wanted to be at training camp. I haven't missed it.

So there wasn't this boy, how you know, I wish I could No, but once I kind of got over if if you want to call, get over the the the loss to the giants and, and thought, I mean, it was my best year. If you really want to thank my in 16 years, it was my best year based on all the circumstances and stuff that last year in green, that was my best year in 16 years. So you can imagine like it mentally I'm you're thinking I'm still pretty good.

Whether you are or not, it's hard not to think that way now. You were. You're. Thinking I, I still do. I want to play or go to mini camp right now. No I don't. So when when Mike asked, and he asked several times to me, do I do I do I think you know what, what do I think? And I said, well, I don't know. I was good at that. And I knew a week was not going to change. I mean, Peyton in five weeks, because I heard what Elway said in five weeks, we'll readdress this in five weeks.

If he has a clear cut, I know what I'm going to do. It's it's no ifs and buts. I know exactly then you know, he's better at it than I am. But if that was the case of me, I knew that probably come July, I would, I would have a pretty good, maybe June. I'd have a pretty good idea if I wanted to go through it. Not March or April, but at the time they wanted. An answer they were hammering you. Again, they're not wrong and there is no right. I mean the bottle.

There's nothing in the rule books that said, OK, if you don't give us an answer. They could have cut me if I didn't give an answer or they could have just waited it out. And I just honestly, at the time I was not. I remember saying, Mike, you know, if you if you really want an answer right now, I'm not 100% committed. I cannot commit. If you want to know right now, I'm not 100%. Can I get be all in? No. Could I be in July? Maybe, But that's not an answer That was was doable.

So I don't blame them. I mean, yeah, there was, it was, it was, it was bad for a while and point fingers all the stuff. But that's really how it went down, you know? I mean, there was a better way to handle it, but it all worked out. What was said in that several hour meeting that you had in Green Bay? Well, you know, again, I, I don't want to stoke the fire because it's, it is what it is and everything is, is, is fine now because time heals everything.

And I think for me, I felt like I, I admit that I was wrong and it and it retiring early, but and they were, I was OK with the fact that they wanted to move on in a different direction. I really was. But I felt like, I think for me it was like I'm not good enough to play here, but I'm too good

to play against you mentality. That's why I, that's kind of how I felt that, you know, they, they didn't want to cut me because anyone can pick me up. And yeah, I could, I could compete for the job in Green Bay, which was that was fine. But I just felt like I, I was not going to play there because they'd already gone in a different direction, if you know what I mean, Even though they were not going to cut me if I put them in that position and that, and I was, again, I was

wrong. And so that's kind of what we talked about in that meeting. And there was no easy resolution, put it that way, because I now as I look back, I tried to put myself in their, their position. Now, I can't see it from their perspective that it wasn't that I wasn't good enough to play for the Packers, but they had to figure out what they were going to do with Aaron in the in the, in the at some point, you have to go in a different direction.

And and that means at times making tough, hard decisions that not everyone agrees with. And that may be the fans or the player himself. And that was the case. But yet in saying that, he played too well last year from a public standpoint to just let him go. So we're kind of it's catch 22. You know, you damn, you do damn if you don't. And I saw it more from just a selfish standpoint. Like what?

You felt that, I mean, based on the success you'd had there and for the 15 plus years you'd had it, that you'd earned that right. And in the business world, that's not necessarily the case. Yeah, you may have been our best salesman for years, but you know, you're getting old. You don't move around like you used to. You're good. But we have to kind of. We can save money and see what our young guy can do, or we can hang on to the old, the old mayor and saw me.

But it's all good now. You end up going to The Jets, play one season there, then play two seasons for the the Vikings before the final season with the Vikings. I think you retired, then you unretired. There were three Vikings players. I think that in August, fly down to see you here in Hattiesburg to try and convince you to come back. Why ultimately decide to come back? Well, you know what? I I, we lost the Saints in the championship game. It was devastating.

I was beat to hell. It was tough, boy. We were close. I mean, really close. I can't, I don't even. We were closer than Denver was against the Colts the other day. We were that close and we made it was right there. And and it goes back to what I was saying earlier. That is so devastating if you're 2125 years old by the time you get back home off it, but from the trip, you almost forgot about it.

You just, it's like your kids, you know, you just, they just like you spank them and they cry an hour later, you know that they they forgot what happened. But as an adult who's played 19 years, I knew how hard it was. I knew that getting to that that point in itself was was such a good thing. Almost not impossible to repeat to get, but but hard. I mean, 20 years was fortunate to win the Super Bowl one time went went one other time. But I would have thought we'd

have gone 12 other times. But that's what you get for thinking. So part of me was like, it's impossible to have this year. But then there was this other part of me that said, if you, if you don't go back, you're always going to wonder what if. And that is true. You know what people would have said had you come back? We'd have done it. We'd have gone, you know, we'd have gone to the Super Bowl. And I would have wondered what if? Well, by going back, yeah, it

was. It was not a good year, you know, we didn't even have a winning record. But by going back there is no what if. I will never have that looming. So I'm glad I went back. I wish the season would have ended up differently, but I know now I know there is no if you'd have came back, we'd have won. I mean, are you really glad though you came back? I mean, because you look at that season and I mean it was.

Well, for I am I really? Am I mean, you know, for obviously not fun topic, but there were sexual harassment allegations. Then you have, you know, you apparently clash with the head coach. You had your worst quarterback rating in most interceptions a season after having the best in both categories. So I mean just all things considered.

I was beat the heck, I mean, I broke my my foot, got my jaw collarbone it. But I but you know, what, if if we were sitting here right now and I didn't go back, I know what I would be thinking. You know, if I went back, we may have had a shot and other people and I just I think that would eat at me forever that if I went back, we may have won it.

Well, I know that now that that's not the case, but I'm I'm able to live with that easier I think, than always wondering what if. Embarrassed at all by the last. Season No, you know, I mean I'm not I'm not, you know, from it was four years and you you want to be remembered as something and I think that I've I've I've done that. I'm not I'm not perfect. Haven't don't claim to be. And you know, I'm not. I'm, I'm content with where I am. Hard on the family at all.

Yeah, it was. It's extremely hard. You know, just like the football family, they rely on you and you let them down. You you don't live up to expectations at times. That's that's life in general. But but things are much better now. Your mom and I love her because you read all these articles and she's a great quote. She said she thought you should have retired after the final year in Green Bay. What do you think? You know what, I think it

doesn't matter. And I say this to, to like when I was coaching kids or our youngest daughter all the time, I'm like, really, because people will say, and you may or, or, or at least heard people say like, if you could go back and you can do people do that. And I, I'm one of those that goes, I don't even want to go there because you can't do it. It doesn't matter what I should have retired and not. I mean, that's not even for her to say.

That's her opinion. But the bottom line is I didn't. I played three more years, that we know. Your best season in your second to last season 1 of your. Best. And you know what, that's that's what matters is what you know, what happened, not what we think could have happened or should have happened that that really doesn't matter. So I don't even go there. What made you really realize it was time to retire? Well, I knew it 20 years that if I'd had another good year, there

would always been this boy. He's still got a little bit left in the tank. And I don't know if that's necessarily a good thing, because the fact that it takes on the body and mentally just over and over and over again. At some point you got to stop, you know, and the competitive spirit was always there. But I realized my last year more than anything, and I got hit a bunch. It seemed like the really tough hits, but I realized I didn't

like them. And for 19 years, I don't want to say I like getting hit, but really didn't bother me a whole lot. In fact, I kind of thrived on it. Like, Oh yeah, that's all you got. Well, the last year is like, I didn't like that, you know, and I didn't have a lot of fight to, to prove them otherwise. And so when I would get hit, I, I would probably bounce up maybe a little slower.

But what I was thinking mentally was like the, the, the, the, the benefit or the reap the reward, the, the, you know, the ups and downs, whatever you want to say or or not in the this is OK favor, you know, it's, it's, it's more of the, I don't particularly like this. I don't whether we win or not. I don't know if that offsets, you know, getting beat up. It just I was started to weigh, weigh in the pros and cons and every time I got hit, I was like, OK, I could throw a

touchdown pass after this. I don't know if that really outweighs the the physical part of it, but it took 20 years for me to feel that way. You're obviously one of the most iconic players in the game and above and beyond the stats, you're the type of player that you know, a parent who's coaching or has a young kid once you know, would encourage their child to be like because you know, the mentality, the

toughness. The Packers obviously on in July are going to be honoring you, inducting you into the Packers Hall of Fame, also retiring your number. How much will that mean to you? It will mean as much as anything I've accomplished in my career because that, you know, obviously that's a culmination of of a that that says not that I need it to be said, but that really is the the exclamation point on a on a wonderful career.

And not that I ever needed that, but I'm honored to to have played in Green Bay. But to be with Bart Starr and Ray Nitschke and, you know, Jerry Kramer, her Batterly, Willie Wood, Willie Davis, I mean, I can go on and on and on and on. Because I remember sitting on the sidelines and I was always I always consider myself a an historian of the game. I mean, I I knew a lot about the

game. I didn't really know where the Green Bay was growing up and it was cold and it was up north, but I couldn't really find it on the map. But I knew who I knew who all Paul Horning and and Max McGee, you know, and Jim Taylor. I mean, I, I Fuzzy Thurston, the list goes on. And I knew who all those guys were. And so I was one of those when I was still on the sidelines, I looked up and saw the, you know, the stadium, the Ring of Honor. And it meant something.

It really did. It may not mean a lot to some guys today. I you know, you know, that's not for me to say, but for me it meant something. So to be thought of in Green Bay to me is I guess Dallas could and and Pittsburgh could could say the same thing, but their own tradition and history is as as big as the NF LS almost Bears could say that as well where, you know, they got a long laundry list of not only Packer Hall of Fame, but that are also in the NFL Hall of Fame. And that says a lot.

I mean, you have to first of all, be around a long time, but the tradition and history is there and to be thought of as one of the best in that, you know, that franchise is, I mean, it's it's truly an honor. It really. What do you think the day will be like? Nervous. Probably nervous in a good in a good way, though. In a good way. Just almost kind of like before the first game type of very excited, you know, and I I was like that before every game.

I was excited. I was a little nervous about how it how's it going to play out? You know, I'm not going to play good. I'm not going to play bad. I mean, hopefully we can block them hopefully. And so I'm sure they'll be get some of those emotions that that's sort of like before game. Well, it's interesting you say nervous because you know, in reading about it, you said you went Bart Starr to be part of it and obviously Bart one of the

greatest Packers of all time. But in reading that I'm like, well, this is this is Brett's day. You know, I wonder if you just, you know, once somebody. I kind of like someone to hold my hand, right, you know, right, which which is really the the truth, you know, I mean, I've never been real good, believe it or not, being even though I I love being a quarterback and and the pressure being on me, I'm

not really good. Like when the spotlight is like, OK, everyone else just moved to the side, right? It's kind of like, OK, but here's Bart, you know, and that's not to mention it goes back to this tradition, history and and respect for the game that I've always had. And I always wanted those guys to know as when I was playing that now that I'm one of the guys, you're, you're nobody. Because that was never the way I, I know that people like Bart paved the way for, for my career.

They read an interview that you did and you were asked for like, the favorite moment from your career. And I thought what you said was interesting. You said it would have to include the interceptions, the, you know, and the tough losses. Explain why. You know, it's I, I, I just don't look at my career and think of the good. You know, unfortunately there was some bad, but I but I think that's what shapes us, you know, into the type of people we are, the character and the type of

player. If I was in 20 years, if I never lost a game, how would I really know what winning a, a big game or coming from behind or a Super Bowl, or how would I really appreciate what that felt felt like if I've never experienced

the down? Because then when you do, you really appreciate a last second throw or a season in which you you endure and and you're, you're fortunate enough to to win a Super Bowl or you do some unbelievable things that that early in the year or the previous year seemed impossible. If you win every game, how do you know what impossible is or possible? I mean, it's just, it's kind of like giving your kids everything, giving them

everything. How will they ever know what hard work and having to go without something is, is really like? And so that's the way I look at my career. People say, what would you change anything? Would you do this? Would you have played different? All that stuff. And I said, you know, it is what it is.

First of all, I can't change it. And it sure made me appreciate not only the football part of life, but just life in general, you know, how quickly things can change and, and people can be taken away, how quickly you can become starter, how quickly you can not be the starter. And, and that's just, that's the way I look at things. And so it's not perfect. It was, you know, but it it's my career and you take the good with the bad and it makes you appreciate the good a lot, a lot

more. What would you say is the most satisfying moment from your career? You know, I don't think that there is a a game or a moment more so than the fact that, you know, when people say how do you want to be remembered or what? And it's like the a retirement ceremony and Hall of Fame, all stuff is it's truly an honor. But I'd like to think that the body of work not not so much what what was given after the fact, but the body works speaks

for itself. I could care less of how where I rank in the the experts top 10 or whatever. It's just the way I played. I know I played with with desire and love and passion for the game that that in my opinion is not equal by anyone. Was it the prettiest? Was it the best pocket passer? Was it that I look that I don't care about that I just played as hard as I possibly could?

And most satisfying thing for me was that I did it, that I was able to dress out in the National Football League uniform for one game. Better yet, 20 seasons. And, and again, not not perfect, but I played every game like it was the last. I really did. Really a pleasure. Thank you. Thanks for making the time to do this. That's all for my chat with Brett Favre. You can watch video of that content plus a whole lot more on youtube.com/graham Bensinger. And if you get a chance, give us

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