It's Tuesday night. You know what that means. It's time for Ignition with aw fan Hub. This is Kelson. I'm here with Sleazy the Professional and Renee and we're going to talk about headlines coming out of the weekend and a short dy to my preview. We don't want to talk about it too much, I guess. But before I get into anything, I want to express my concern and hopes that CJ Perry is feeling better. Some of you probably KNOWJ had a infection on her hand, on her finger, and it spread
up to her arms. She was in the emergency room for over fifty hours and went into surgery, successful surgery. Miro, her husband did post a post on Instagram where he took her you know romantic gifts, you know, pizza and soda. That's romantic to me because I'm Italian and I like food and drink. But anyway, I hopefully CJ is feeling better. And we missed you on Collision last week, but understandably and hopefully you'll get back to
work as soon as you feel better. But take care of yourself anyway, Let's move on to Ignition, and you know what the first thing I want to talk about is the improvements that we've been seeing in the aw women's division.
The ratings for the segments came out for Collision. Now, remember on Collision we had the Abdon match, which of course had Julia Hart at sky Blue for me a team and thunder Rosa coming off the Spanish announcing desk to what I guess, basically save Abadon from the newly formed team of Julia Hart and sky Blue. And then we also had the street fight between Chris Statlander
and Willem Nightingale against Mercedes Martinez and Diamante. Those two women's segments on Collision were the two highest rated segments on the entire show as far as actual TV ratings go. So hey, naysayers, if you think the women don't pull in ratings, if you do good story, anything can pull in ratings. Anything, and I'm not saying just women. You could put two turtles in their shell just spinning on their backs. If it's a good story behind it,
somebody's going to watch it. Not on wrestling, but somebody's going to watch it. Sleazy. What are your thoughts on the women's division? I mean, the ratings are there, how have they improved? Yes? Because as you can see the ratings have certainly improved, and that's due to the matter of fact that now TK is like, oh wait a minute, I
should maybe tell stories instead of making this last minute. And that's the thing that's the most important right here, especially with thunder Rosa's recent comeback story and how she managed to do it, and now that the ratings are there, it seems like we're finally getting the improvements that we need now. Of course, in my personal opinion, that should be happening to certain other wrestlers, but of course then we'd be here for twenty four hours talking about them.
So overall, I'd say the women's division is on the upswing. But well, Sleasie, let me ask you a question before you throw it over to the professional. So we saw the return to thunder Rosa. In your mind, is that a really big deal for aw Well, she certainly made it a big deal. Again, as I said last week, what was most important was what she did on Saturday, what she said and what she did, and what she's saying and what she's doing. It's working, especially with
the raidings. Now the professional what is your professional opinion? Yeah, thanks, Leevy, I'm actually not surprised that the women are doing well. The reason Dan is we needed to have patients. There are a lot of women that were injured over the last year. So you had Abadon who just returned from injury, Red Velvet just returned from injury a few I think a few weeks ago. You had Chris stat Leonar who returned from injury earlier this year
at double or nothing if I remember correctly. And now you got jad Hater. She's on the shelf so she won't be coming back until probably next summer. And then you also got Baker who was also injured, so you had a lot of injuries. You still do have a lot of injuries with the women's division. And then you also had Rio. I don't think she was injured, but she just hadn't been in the States for such a long time, so she returned a few weeks ago. So you didn't have a lot
of depth with the women's division, and I think that was overlooked. And in traditional sports, depth is really really important. Yes, you have your superstars, you have your Lebron James, and you know other players, but if you don't have depth, those those bench pieces that can step up. When that started these arrests or in this case, when a wrestler goes down, it's going to suffer, and had suffered for a very very long time.
But I was just waiting because I always thought that it was kind of funny that people thought that TK didn't care about women or women's wrestling when you have Roh doing a great job with Athena and Billy Starks and other women wrestlers that they're like right there even though they're not an ew So I was just being patient, just waiting, And again, I'm not surprised that they've done
so well. You've had time to build stories, you've had time to get wrestles that were injured, and they were away for a long time back into the swing of things. So again I wasn't surprised. I'm very happy to see them do so well, and I look forward to what's going to come next with so many different storylines. Butther than that, I'll just throw it
over to Renee for his thoughts. Yeah, I totally agree with you guys on on that for sure, But I was more rooding on Avagon coming back, you know, because she had that long absence, And it's funny because before coming on here and trying to set up for snight's podcast. Was watching an all dark match that she faced Rep. Delve Ball people, and and if I have it right, Abadan just face Rep delb And of course you know what happened is one her matches. I just because like I, uh
so, just anyone can correct me on this one. Abadan was out on an entry. Yes, you was okay, so that deveryone explains that. Why a long acid? But I don't know. I just I just want to see her ab On more, you know, and because I want to see someone can actually beat the crap out her, you know, because there's there is, like they say, there's always an achilles heel of some person.
So you know, one of the things that we talked about on the Sunday Morning Ship talk was uh Abodon specifically uh And I think it was me that brought up this point. It could have been somebody else. I don't remember if I'm stepping on Toesy or I apologize, But we did talk a little bit about Abadon and the difference in Abadon right now to what Tony Khan had done with other women. Now, Abadon is obviously getting a push to
be the challenger for Julia Hart for the TBS Championship. Now, whether that's going to be at World's End or next week's Dynamite, we don't know. But here's the point is that in the past, Tony Khan has basically given his calendar specifically for Jade Cargill for the TBS Championship two or three wins and then the championship match, and then that woman was never seen or heard from
again at all. Literally, it's like they dropped off the planet. But with Abdon, Abadon has already had more appearances than most of the challengers that Jade car Gill had. At addition to that, she's actually got story. And I apologize if I'm not using the correct pronouns, but it's too late in the evening for me to do things. But Abadon really has a story going behind their wrestling journey, where the women that challenge Jade Cargill did not.
And I think that's very interesting. And I want to make one other point, and I want to throw it to everybody just briefly to see if you agree with me or not. Yes, Looking at the last several weeks, Tony Kahn is really building stories with his booking in the women's division. Let's not forget as the professional brought up, Riho is now back. We
have Jamie Hayter, who is right around the corner. I've heard, and you can correct me if I'm wrong to the professional, but I've heard that she's almost ready and she'll be ready possibly for World's End to Bacon appearance. Britt Bagner is bent out, you know so. But here's the thing. Let's not forget that Mercedes Monet is out there and they've got to make well.
Tony Khan is making an effort, in my opinion, he's making an effort with the women's division to entice Mercedes Monet and or Julia, whose contracted stardom is up in March, to come over. Now there's other women that are going to be coming too, don't forget. Beginning in a year, Yukosa Kazaki is back in aw permanently. She's moved to the United States, she's out of Japan. She is going to be She's got a new look, and it's a really good look for her too. I really like it.
I can't wait to see if she changes a rear ring gear. But ultimately we're enticing some I think a lot of this has to do with enticing some of these free agents to come up. Lucie, what do you think about that that opinion? Well, first off, I do want to say that the storytelling has been very good. Hell, we could get an Undertaker versus Caine kind of rivalry going with Julia and Abadon, because Abada is just the monster and Julia Hart is well calculated, cold woman like the Undertaker.
But actually good. Now, the fact of the matter is, though, if we're talking about only making it good for free agents, now, look, Julia Hart, that actually makes sense, you know. But for Mercedes Monett. Come on, why are we trying to entie super big superstars like
this? Do you remember what happened with a certain rapped fist man. I'm not looking forward to a rap fist man's situation with Mercedes Monet, which is why I don't want her anywhere near the product, which is why DK needs to be telling story for the sake of telling a good store, which was the point of anyw in the first place, and not just be trying to entice every other old guy who's gonna get the massive pop as soon as they make an entrance. It doesn't matter okay, but I'm gonna throw it to
the professional for their professional opinion. I totally agree with you about Mercedes Monnet. It's it's from the standpoint of what I don't like that's happening in the industry. From what I'm seeing is there are certain wrestlers who, I mean, every wrestlers are marked for themselves, but there are certain wrestlers that feel like WW it is the pinnacle of wrestling, not even just sports entertainment,
So any other company is a step down. And I think that that's a weak mentality to have because you don't put a lot of you don't have a lot of faith in yourself to say I can be a simmerpiece of something that's new as opposed to being another spoke on the wheel. And the WW is comfortable for a lot of rest When I get it, I totally get it. You know, wrestling may just be it for them, so if they can't wrestle, how they're going to make some money. I get it.
It's very comfortable, cool. But for other people that want to, I guess, think outside the box, take a chance on themselves, like John Moxley did, which I was super shocked that he would do. I like that, but I just feel like there are a lot of wrestlers who want to go to the W route, so now they're enticed to go back, like Mercedes Monet, and I think that's what she's gonna do. I don't think she's gonna come to AW. I have very little faith that she will.
And even if she did, I would think that she would always have one foot out the door like some of these other wrestlers who grew up in a WW system and that's all they're really known. So I agree with you there, Sleazy. I don't want to see her in AW. I hope
that Tony isn't doing this to entice her. I would rather than go after Julia, start to just go after wrestlers who've never been int Wwe work with them, create a new generation of people that really don't have to have success in wrestling by going to WW. So point and I'll go over to Renee here. Yeah, I'm gonna. I'm gonna we'll makeet a total agreement on this one, because I don't want to reference the man with the ref fist,
but I did. I pulled this up and I put it into the aa w's of van Hub, where it was posted on October twenty sixth, twenty twenty through about about the fistit Man. There's a point to this, Okay, guys, hear me out, and I did say that. Now I rate him as a four. If he comes back, there'll be a big surprise because some of the wrestlers are gonna welcome back to both arms. And anyways, if if your guys are interested in reading the whole thing,
it's it's in the utter chat part of that. So now to get back to mont it's like, yeah, exactly, here's the concern I'm gonna have is like, it's the same thing that you guys brought it up. Yes, you might bring someone from from a different place, but are you gonna do you want DjVu all over again like the fisted Man? Or or should say the best in the world when he arrived at a w no, because one would one would tell me con thinks he learned his lessons first time around.
And also, by the way, I don't think one name is going back to the to w. I just her hands or her hands are washed once she left a long time ago on some back down. That's what I'm thinking about that she probably just maybe she'll go a different promotion and continue on her wrestling career. And yeah, okay, so I just think I had to chunkle. I think it's funny that nobody wants to say, see,
I'm balking, man. I love it. Anyway, We're gonna move on and for the next couple of segments, the professional you had a couple of ideas of things to talk about, So I'm going to throw it over to you. What is it that you'd like to talk about tonight? Yeah, thanks, Gulson. So one of the topics that I want to discuss is just the recent rumors of Warner Brothers Warner Brothers Discovery Sorry, having a meeting with WWE in regards to their television deal for RAW and I want to say,
maybe it's for the next three to five years. And this is right at the same time that AW is trying to negotiate a new deal for their television properties, which include Dynamite, Collision, Rampage and also Ronk, so that that's four properties to one. And with this kind of rumor, you do see a lot of fans. I hate to say, both sides put WWE fans and the AW fans they're kind of leaning towards you know, this
could be aw's departure from Warner Brothers Discovery. History repeats self almost with you know, Warner Brothers dropping WCW in two thousand and one, perhaps they drop a W. And the reason this could be a strong possibility is Warner Brothers Discovery is also trying to retain the NBA rights. So they've had the NBA on TNT for god knows how long, maybe since I believe the early nineties, but them losing the NBA that would be a big blow to Warner Brothers
Discovery. So their main focus right now is trying to keep the NBA, especially keeping the NBA from returning perhaps too ironically NBC, which you know is under that peacock umbrella. However, if you do have Warner Brothers Discovery shoes and RAW over AW, what does that deed to the future of AW mean?
As a promoter, you need those television rights. I mean, heck, every team in North from America right now, every professional sports team relies on that TV money, whether it's a regional contract or it's the national distribution of television revenue. That money is important. So if that money is taken away. Yes, Tony CON's a billionaire, but how can AW be profitable. They have a lot of expensive contracts with a lot of talent. So
if they lose Warner Bros. Discovery that relationship to their competitor, what does that say for their future? I mean, yes, they can go to another television network, but will that television network give them even the same amount of money as maybe Warnbrough's Discovery would have given them. Now, we don't know what's gonna happen. This is just speculation in my opinion. I don't think AW is in trouble. I don't think they're even Warner Brough's Discovery.
I think that would be foolish of Warner Brothers Discovery to do. And I'm not saying this is because I'm the b but I alluded to it as soon as I talked about it. AW has four properties that will need rights three more importantly roh. Yes, I know Tony's trying to loop the loop Roh in with AW, but they have four properties to one property in WW. Raw. Yes, WW has to day recognition and things like that, but for the amount of money that WW will probably acts Warner Brothers Discovery to pay
for just one show. They can get a far better deal with AW and even if they lose the NBA, they can actually save money because I believe that they have a lot of debt, especially when they were Warner Brothers in Discovery merged, they have a lot of debts. So they lose the NBA, they can perhaps use that money to pay down some of that debt or whatever the case they be. But they get a better bargain and a better working relationship with AW as opposed to WW. You can't get those streaming rights.
You're gonna have to advertise a competitor on your intelligience network in Peacock. With AW, they are receptive to any change that you at. Well, probably not any change because I believe Rampage is supposed to be a third hour of Dynamite, but they're receptive to changes. They have belts named after your network. It's a much better deal. That's why I don't think Warner Brothers
Discovery is going to leave aw Hagen. But it's an interesting rumor. So I'd like to get everyone else's thoughts, So I'll start with you, Sleepy. Well, that certainly took a lot of time to explain, but thanks for explaining question. Yes, recent so so anyway, this is one of the many topics, major topics that just make me sad, that just make me depressed. But you know what, screw it, I'll talk about it
anyway. At least from what I'm seeing it, it is stupid for Warner Brothers to try and back out with aw now, especially since you remember backing all in when they were like, oh, yeah, we're gonna get a billion dollar deal. Are they gonna back out of the billion dollar deal? That'd be kind of hypocritical and perhaps lying, cheating and stealing. Now, the fact of the matter is, I don't think that's going to happen.
We're gonna keep on with Warner Bros. And stuff, And I don't care about any basketball riots well except maybe the Celtics, but other than that, I don't really care. But if it came down to it, here's what I would do if I was TK, I would be like, Okay, we gotta pretty much ax everything except for Dynamite and then make huge down cuts on all these wrestlers. I know it sounds really harsh, sounds really critical, but you know what you gotta do. What you gotta do to survive.
And if that's what it takes for AW to survive, then damn it, that's what they gotta do to survive. AX Rampage, EX collision X ROH. Do whatever you need to do, use the act if you need to in order to survived, because I just don't want to watch AWA television because guess what if AW has nowhere to go, we as a fan hub are kind of screwed. So anyway, I'm going to pass down to her name. What do you think, Renae? Yeah, it's you're playing with
fire, guys, it's what comes to like a professional. I agree with you one hundred percent too. It's like, look, I don't know how long the NBA isnt World, but yeah, that's a big property that they have in order to cover their bases, you know, for programming lines. Don't forget that they have the NHL on TNT as well two that they didn't have to consider. You know, I don't know how long that deal is for that, but uh yeah, so if you take out AW programming,
it's like what is left to do. It's like like in terms of you know what I mean in terms of programming and because the facts the fact that, like, think about this, do you really think Fox is going to take a W programming like it's bad? It's crazy enough that that, uh, the other brand is going to consider taking n XT on a c W. Did you guys hear about that? No, I have heard that. Did turn down the CWS offered to put r O H on c W. Yeah, I was too, I was I heard that too. Sorry guys
for starting the Russell ramls on YouTube. Well getting ready for tonight's podcast. Also, yeah, it just it just feels weird. It's just I hope it could be fixed. And I and the RUSS You didn't say that. Where bars scard Ys since when they merged together their dead? Yeah they are okay, but I'm still but also but yeah, also the about this, just like if God for fit, if I Dave it considered going to NBC slash Peacock, It's it's gonna be like the way the way w W was,
It's gonna die. You know, it's gonna be such a shame because the sering amount effort that Tony Conn and company build it up. And and also like he can't put all four over bad money over good money all the time. If it ever happens too, so because next thing you know, he's gonna be broke and he has his clear bankruptcy and that's that as well.
So yeah, well, like hurt wrestling in North America. To be honest, if we were and I'm not saying this to be biased, I'm serious, if we werenna lose AW, it would hurt wrestling in North America because even if you're rich, why did you want to invest in my promotion? If he you see recently what has happened, You've seen like what has happened when someone tries to go against the big behemoth and ww you know, so this is it's important, But I'm just I'm just not worried, not
yet. But well, you know, it's it's all speculation at this point. I mean, I'm sure that there's been talks that we don't know about, and there's been you know, proposals that we don't know about, considered considerations that we don't know about, and I mean, okay, we're not considering this, or we are considering this, this, you know, from
all avenues. Ultimately, I think what it comes down to is this AW is on Warner Brothers Discovery, right, now, and as the professional said, Warner Brothers Discovery is their main focus is on the TN you know, the NBA on TNT. You know, that's what they've got to focus on. That's their big money. If they lose that, frankly, nobody's gonna be watching TN, T or TBS very much anyway. They have to get something else in there. And is AW the right thing to take place of
TN, you know, the NBA on TNT or whatever. No, it isn't. It's a totally different crowd. So there's a lot of stuff to play out. You know, you got also considered what the WWE They've got their presence on Peacock. Does Warner Brothers Discovery want to if, just hypothetically speaking, if Warner Brothers Discovery takes over WWE as their television property, what are they gonna do. Are they gonna put the WWE library on Max? Are they gonna put the premium live events on Max? Or are they going
to keep the the pay per views on Bleacher? You know, there's a lot of stuff that's going on. And also, you know, you got to consider that these guys are professionals, not only Tony Kahan, you know, but the Endeavor group with WWE, the Warner Brothers Discovery. These guys are professionals. They're going to do what's best for them and that's it.
So well, I don't think that they can. The one thing that's gonna hurt Warner Brothers Discovery with with w W would be the pay per views because I think w W is locked in with Pete Pockets at twenty twenty six. That could be wrong, Okay, I didn't know that, yeah, and that that will hurt. That's why I mentioned like they would be giving up so much to just get three hours from w W, three hours a week, compared to the five hours that AW gives them. Again, you got
six hours of Battle of the Belts. That's just that's why I don't I don't think. That's why I'm not worried. The only thing that I'm worried about is the fact that Tony Kahan didn't agree with putting RH on CW because I think it would have been better for them to get their name out there on over the air television because there are people that don't have cable and they can watch CW. Like I know, the CW has college sports, so here I'm in Chicago. They show those games. Actually not even on the
CW like syndicated countel. They show it on WGN, which used to have a superstation channel across the Nathan or whatever. But a lot of people watch that channel. So it's like if Roh can be guided on there. And I get like he wants to keep that relationship with Warner broad A Discovery, but now I wish they can find a way to get their shows on over the air television, whether it's a recap kill or whatever. Like that's how
I followed WWF and WCW as a kid. Well, you know, the one thing that I can say, you know, and this is something that is working in Tony Kahn's favor with negotiations, is look at Revolution twenty twenty four, at all the tickets that it is sold already, and of course you can't discount in August of next year, twenty twenty four, you've got all in. So you know, those are international fans that could really bring in some revenue for whoever picks up aw, whether it's Warner Brothers, Discovery
or some other entity. The professional Let's move on here because I don't want to talk about this for another sixty minutes. What there was something else you wanted to talk about, so hit us with it. Yeah, So we've seen AW. They've struggled recently or for the bed part of this year,
especially from the summer on, with attendance ratings. I cannot remember the last time that they had viewership of over a million on average, and that just doesn't include like the start of the show coming from that Big Bang theory leader. You know. So they struggled. We've seen w there on the hot streak, the hottest that they've been. I haven't watched theww It's not my taste. But that leads me into just the question that I have or the
thoughts that I have in REGARDSS to current wrestling fans. And I wasn't aware of this until this year. It this appears that and this is not to any fault of those wrestling fans, but it appears that in this continent, North America, we prioritize sports entertainment over wrestling, and I didn't pay attention to it. But over the years since AW has started, you know, they've always wanted to veer away from that sports entertainment, want to be more
sports based, like New Japan Pro Wrestling. Is they had the ranking system. You know, you don't start many Dynamite shows with a twenty minute promo things of that nature. But you start to just hear some complaints or read complaints online. The ranking system doesn't make sense. They're just farming wins on Dark and Dark Elevation. Let's get away from the ranking system. Why isn't this, Why wasn't this on Dynamite? Why didn't they do this promo?
Things like that, and like I said, didn't become apparent to me until this year that it just appears that most wrestling fans in North America again are sports entertainment fans. So I just want to know from all of you, what do you think AW fans are. Do you think they're mostly of sports
entertainment or do you think they're mostly fans of wrestling? Because of my opinion, it just seems like one stuff that you got hot again, people just left AW and went back to that sports entertainment that they know and love as opposed to trying to I don't want to say this, but just trying to really follow wrestling. So I'll just throw it over to us. Leason, Well, I mean the fact that the matter is is what you define and sports entertainment, you know, I mean, like, what are we talking
about here? Are we talking about kind of like the crazy stuff going on with them Jeff and Ale? Or are we talking about really cool storylines like can you make it an ADI page for four years? You know that? In terms of that, like, in terms of that stuff, people do want that, but they also want actually quantity wrestling. After all, North America was like, hey wwwe actually put what your wrestlers who can do a
moon salt without breaking their heads? Now, of course, personally for me, since I'm wearing my Magic Meet shirt, I'm a fan of Danny Madge met nerd do you bear to me sports entertainers? And that doesn't mean I don't appreciate good wrestling. That was actually pretty good. I know, I'm a really good It was good. But the fact of the manner is that we do want both. And don't you be like that guy on Twitter who
was like, do you want this thing or another thing? And then the other guy says both, because guess what North America does indeed want both, So shush to all the people being like, do you want one thing or do you want another because we want both. It's just everyone sucks at delivering both, except the indies at least. Right now, Uh, Renee, what's your thoughts? Well? Well, sorry, sorry before before you go,
Rene and Key elaborate more on next. I want to hear more about, like why North Americans, I guess want both because I feel like it's one of the other. But yeah, I would love to hear more about that. Well, the fact of the matter is North America was going nuts over MJF and Adam Cole over the summer, you know, with all their shenanigans, being like, let's beat up all these kids at a trampoline park and yeah, let's drink this hot sauce while we're talking about how I slammed
the Big Bill in the middle of Madison Square Garden or whatever. Guess what, we also go nuts for crazy spectacular matches like flood and guts and you know, like extreme wrestling, and you know, just all the good wrestling matches like that, you know. So the fact of the matter is we go nuts over both. We just need them both in high quality WWE. They can't do it. They can't be who wrestle and have quality storylines. At the same time they just suck all together and a W they're retreading their
way towards that bound. Now, Braine, what's your thoughts? Okay, just run your clarification to essnal. Where where do you think the decline of like fandom of AW went when I just want I want to say it started slowly. And I hate to say this, but go ahead. Kind of saw it coming and that's why I didn't agree with AW fans doing this. I want to say it started when Cody went and went back to w W. Okay, because he's just meet in my opinion, he is a sports
entertainer at heart, and he's a great amateur wrestler. I think he has a good amateur background in high school, but he is a sports entertainer at heart, and I think once he went to w slowly started and it kind of didn't stop. It Well, it hasn't stopped. That's you said. My take on that, basically, it's just I don't know. Maybe maybe I might be wrong on this, guys, but uh most but probably there are some people that do go to a W events, which you cool to
tapings, you know, maybe just something it's just something to do. It's kind of like, you know, like you, me, me and my dad Will as an example, we go watch hockey game, just just something to do, you know, and and then realize, oh, there's wrestling it here, you know, all this stuff. But I'm but then again, I'm pretty sure there's there's been hardcore Day one ers of aw fans has been there for the get go, They've been there for Daily's placed in the
pandemic, right, But still the concern is that too. It's like, yes, it's sold out, what was it all in? Yeah, okay, if that sold out, right, I don't think it sold out, but it had the most ticket sales of any is sold out. Anyone can quarify that it's not sold out. That's kind of a hard thing to say, because when they initially released the tickets for Revolution to set up was for X amount of seats, and they started to get close to selling that out,
even though the it wasn't the entire arena. They had to release more seats and they may even have to do it again. So no, Revolution isn't sold out per se as far as the arena size, but it's getting close to selling out the setup that they have, which may result in even more seats being opened up. Okay, and that's of course if I do know this that this would be stayings class match as a as a professionals will be weird and see go. But to understandable, he's been around for a
lot of time. Do you okay? So I'll post this question. Do you guys and Edward can chime in. Do you guys think that maybe there'll be a point to aid that can't topple the other brands if it was done properly, no matter what side you're on, if it's if it's for sports entertainment or just a wrestling part of it. Sure, I mean anything, you know, any given Sunday is an expression used in NFL football. It's the same thing with professional wrestling. It's some same thing. People WCW beat
the hell out of WWE ye and then they folded. You know, It's as simple as that. It's consistency. It's putting a consistent good product out and being accessible. If there's one thing that I can say about ae W in my opinion is that it's not as accessible as WWE, Meaning how many shows did they have in Chicago last year? There's only fifty two weeks in a year. You know what I'm saying. I'll give you an example I
have where I live. It's a smaller area in northeastern Pennsylvania. We do have an arena here that holds not you know, it's a minor league hockey arena. WCW is here, WWE, WWE was here just a few weeks ago. Right a w has never been here. You if you want, if you want to get fans to come to your shows, you've got to be accessible to the fans. And if the fans come to your shows,
then they'll start watching you on TV. If you're going for the you know, basically the residents of Chicago to be your fan base that stay in Chicago. Look at the ratings when when AW did their last tour of Canada, the ratings in the United States pretty much tanked. Why because they weren't in the United States. You know, it's great doing a show in Montreal and then doing a show in Long Island and then doing a show in Detroit, et cetera, et cetera, But staying out of the country for two months
is not It's just not good. I mean, especially since Canada doesn't have you know, I see it all the time on Reddit. Where can I watch aw on in Canada? I live in Canada. Where can I watch it? And it's not accessible? Well yes, in a way, yes and no, because that's what's that's what I get pissed off about. Where. Okay, so far as I know that either Dynamite if it's a double on ts N two, okay, that that's But the crappy part is that for a Rampage and Collision is on ts N Plus. But and the way
before it was it was on a preview basis. But now you have to pay like seven or eight dollars to go watch go watch that stuff, and that's not right, you know, Yes, I am ahead, sorry, just way fish and I'll bring it back in. So I probably damn lucky if I get if worst comes the worst, if I don't watch No Dynamite and hope and pray that there is a replay of Dynamite to catch up on
it. But yet I can't do it for Rampage and Collision because really I can't literally afford seventy seven dollars, just like much syncing with the Honor Club. Can't afford that. And but lista get so that's all. That's why I have watching it from other sources on Amazon, fire TV, through whatever source I get from. Of course, you know, there's no guarantee it's gonna, you know, be all right, because it can. It was a Saint lax. But there's your answer. If you want, for those
who are wondering where you can watch an W it's on there. And again, if you want to pay Semurai bucks for wherever it is, throw your boots on me. I'm just talking. I can watch TSN and have those
channels and TSN two. So okay, what did you want to say with professional Yeah, I was gonna ask you because like I was in Toronto for a forbidden dorm and I remember, like I wasn't in my hotel room for a long time, but there was a time where I was in there for a few hours and it was like, legit, nothing on television like the TSNs or whatever. I was gonna ask, what the hell are they showing on ts N two on a Friday night or on a Saturday that they can't
put a W on. I don't. I don't get it like that. It's an understanding. Yeah, I get you. You're from Desion it's not my call. So the only thing I can say is like, maybe contact TSN and see what's about this. I was asking you, like, like what what do they typically show? Like, well, I know, I know you're I know you're asking, but I just it's the best way is like you just go to the website and just scroll down with what they what they show for on you know, on Monday at least money the Sunday money
to Sunday. But I just know right now it's for the most part, it's showing Montreal Cana games on there, which she had to be in the mount of region or in this case here where I am that to watch that. But that's as an example. Sometimes it will show college football, sometimes it shows other stuff. It just it just it depends. But I but I do understand what you're coming from too. And on a side note, anyone cares about the other brands? Really it is available on It is about
on Spurts at three sixty for Raw SmackDown and NXT. Okay, we don't care. We don't care about the other brand. Yeah, I just I know, but just one man mentioned it. Girls are wondering about where the w We don't care about the other bread. That's yeah, I appreciate it with me. I appreciate you giving me some concepts, like I said, so much, and they it doesn't sound like it will be a problem for
them to Yes, I can I chime in now. Yeah, so this is one that this whole thing with the location bull crap and the bull crap of not being accessible as a brand. This crap is what I've been nagging about this whole year. They've only this is the first year at least to my knowledge, that we're doing who It'sburg shows? Two whole shows. Why can't we get sixty nine shows? Why can't you do a show out Oakland? Hell, you could go into collegeum and actually get that damn thing to
feel since oh, guess what, they're losing their baseball team. Maybe I don't know, maybe tour around the Midwest, maybe a little bit more consistently. Maybe then you'll get some more fans getting accessibility right there. You know, this is something I wanted to break it here. I wanted to That's the original question. Sports entertainment versus actual wrestling. For me, it's a mixture of both. That's what I want to see, And I think maybe
I can't speak for other fans. It's presumptuous for me to speak for other fans, but I can. I could talk maybe about what my friends and I have talked about with wrestling, and that's basically is that we do want it. It's great having great matches, but if they're random great matches without a story, you're losing something there. So you do gain something by putting on a great match, but having a good story lead up to it. Now, we don't want a story that takes, you know, six weeks
to get to a match or stuff like that. Now, sometimes that works. I made a post earlier on aw phantob about Julia Hart. It's been a little over two years now since Julia Hart was missed by Malachi Black, but hersh story has evolved. Sure, it was a slow burd at first because of the Ray Phoenix injury that kind of stopped her from joining the House of Black for an extended period of time, But her story has progressed incrementally
at a good pace that matches her development. But it's progressed at a good pace and it's not getting complacent. We just on collision. We just saw sky Blue come in. Did it mix as a possible partner long term for Julia Hart. We have the whole avanon story going on. Thunderosa is now going to be standing toe to toe with Julia Hart. Rijo has said that she wants to go after the World Championship, but she's got her eye on
Julia Hart too. This is what I'm talking about, these little subtle things that they can do to build story so that when a match eventually does happen, there's some context there. Okay, So I want to move on to Dynamite, and we're going a little bit long here, So what I want to do is I want to go right into our Spicy Predictions segment. We can look at the Dynamite card, whether you're talking about the matches themselves,
or MJF and Samoa Joe coming out, or something else that'll happen. But go ahead and pick up maybe two of the matches or whatever storylines you want to talk about that's going to be happening tomorrow night on Dynamite and give us your thoughts and we'll just go down the line on that and I will give my thoughts at the end. So Sleazy, go ahead, Well for my
Spicy Prediction tonight. Since we're going to hear from MJF and Smoke Joe, that obviously means we're going to lead to more heavy hints at the Devil is going to be Jungle Boy, all right, because I have a theory right now that when they're talking, suddenly two goons are gonna ambush them and then
throw them onto real glass panes on cars. Thus two, you could maybe have maybe three, four or five, even sixty nine, Okay, but the factor yeah, But the fact of matter is it's only gonna be a matter of because if we're hearing from both before their tag match, that means we're gonna get even more heavy hinting towards Jungle Boy being the Devil. And then when Friday or Saturday comes along, guess what it's gonna be. Jungle
Boy, It's gonna be the greatest day of my life. So anyway, that professional what's your professional opinion outside of the greatest day in your life occur in a few days. I predict that Jay Lethal is going to lose and he will be the only person in the Condal Classic with zero points. I think the story is setting up that way. This probably would lead to him
leaving Jeff Jarrett and his goons. But I predict that Jay Lethal will finish the Condonal Classic with zero points, So I'm gonna throw it over to remain thinking of that. The match card for through the fan heb on Reddit. I marked down my winners here for that, So you're right, will lose, let me win that, Boxley will win his match, Brush will win his Real will win her match, and Commander will win his match against Rogert Strong because because honestly I hate that guy, Rod Rod put a towel in
your mouth and shut it, man. That's I think that's the point. Yeah, yeah, otherwise it wouldn't be funny. Yeah. So but like I said, that's that's my predictions. Firtimore, when I said, am I I'm right as I watch it wherever which way, you know, I'm looking at this MGF and Samoa Joe's segment, and I'm wondering because there's so many things. As Sleazy said, they could get attacked by two three, four, esty nine uh goons, Jack Perry and his double mask, which
you know, of course there's swears all over the place. But aw said that the devil has been the devil all long this has been the same players all along, and it's not Jack Perry. I have a hard time I believe in that. I really do think all signs lead to Jack Perry. But here's the thing, this is what I'm interested in seeing during this MGF
and Samoa Joe's segment. Okay, so when the last time we actually saw MGF, he was laid out out back after we get it, hit over to head with a beer bottle, and so that made everybody think that it could be that the devil could be Hangman Adam Page. Correct. Then last week Hangman Adam Page was proven not to be the devil because the devil and his goons attacked Hangman Adam Page and slammed him onto a glass windshield, which led people to say, oh, it's real glass, cribe a river.
The devil is Jack Perry. Well, what happens this week? What happens this week? If they do some thing else and it points a finger at yet another. It's brilliant when you think about it. Everybody was sure that it may have been you know that it was Hagman Haddam Page with the beer bottle and everything, and it isn't. Now everybody sure it's Jack Perry. What if they do something tomorrow night that proves that it isn't Jack Perry.
Interesting stuff that could be happening here all. You know, my big thing is every day I gotta agree with you, I'm kind of odd in my preferences. There's two stories that I'm not buying into right now that I think need to be fleshed out better. One is Roderick Strong. I'm really not enjoying him doing the same thing week after week after. I mean, his
biggest accomplishment in the last two months is getting out of the wheelchair. Actually, the second think, the second place of commage was able to beat Chris Jorco that in that street fight. If you will, that's yeah, I didn't. I didn't care. The second person that I'm really starting to lose interested is Tony Storm of all people. I mean, you got Rio and Sorea fighting to uh earn the earned the world title shot at World's End tomorrow night, which I do think Rio is going to win, but I don't
think Rio is going to win the match at World's End. But my point behind all this is, you know, Tony Storm is doing great character work, but it's taken away from her wrestling, and Tony Storm is a terrific wrestler and I want to see her wrestle, you know. And she's even her last match with that metal plate she put up her heights wrestling tights that was horribly executed. You know, it just did nothing for me, really didn't. I want to see Tony Storm just wrestle, right. I love
the character, but it's it's not something that I want to see. I don't know how you guys feel about it. But a year from now, I hope it's not the same thing because that would that would drive me nuts. It's gonna drive me nuts as well as Calson. I just want to say it too. It's like, uh, like I've never scort through acts
one day just for fun to see the aw's count. And she was promoting both you know, upcoming you know shows if you will, and she's the way she was saying brand patient diamonds, like I was like lapping my face up, are you kidding me? Round that day and Colisio. You know, but that's that's fine, that's entertaining. That's not on TV. That's you know, promotional, and she's great at that. I have my problem is. I just don't want to see her be doing the same thing on
TV that she's doing now a year from now. I mentioned Julia Hart, right, she's doing the same thing that she was doing, you know, two years ago, basically, But it was it's evolved, It's continually evolved, you know. So that's my point. If if Tony Storm doesn't evolve, then it's it's going to be it's gonna hurt Tony Storm in the end, because she is a darn good wrestler and I don't want to see her wrestling overshadowed by a character work arc that potentially could get old for other people.
One last question that I want to ask everybody. We the final matches are coming up in the Gold League. I think there's everybody has to fight two more matches in the Blue League. If I'm not mistaken, we've already established that. Who was I think it was Renee said that, Well, somebody said that Jay Lethal was going to go winless. That the pressure as the one that's brought it up. Beniel Daniel Garcia. The Blue League is also winless. Do we think that he's gonna win a match? I mean
he's got uh, he's got Brody King left. I believe, M chance you know now that you bring that up, I don't. I don't know, because I did say that I thought d is going to be the only so without a win, and that was because I didn't realize that Denny Garcia is going against Berdy King. So I don't know. Maybe Dane Garcia also has zero wins. Yeah, I mean, you'll look at it this way. I still believe that I do believe that Eddie Kingston's gonna win this tournament.
Whether you like Eddie or not, I think that it's Eddie Kingston's tournament. And whether that's a good thing or a bad thing, I'll leave it up to the community to decide. But well, this is the first actually thinking Eddie's gonna win something. Oh, I've I've picked Eddie to win a lot sleazy. Do I want him to win? No, But I've picked him to win because it makes sense. I've picked him to lose the first
match in this tournament because I thought it made sense. Because Eddie is at his best when he's an underdog, when the odds are stacked against him. That's when his character is the most dynamic, is the most believable. And you know, sincerely speaking right now, I mean, he's at six points. I believe it is because I think the the b lou League thing that I put up is incorrect. But he's at six points. But so is
Brody king you know. And I think that we're gonna see, you know, Eddie Kingston somehow sneak his way into this tournament semi finals, and I think he's gonna win the whole thing. Let's face it kind of suck for Eddie to put two of his belts on the line and then have him taken away due to booking. You know, let's be real here. Well, so I forget again, like as I said on Shiit Talk, that he's the one has to go home, is to put every in a line for
the reason that like, let's have let's have some real rustling boys. No, And and if he does that, if he pulls this miracle and three fourth Street type thing, it, it's gonna be kind of awesome because prove that not. I guess in the long run, it was the right thing to do. Put those belts on the line, to show that I could do this. Or disagree, No, I mean I I no, I agree with you. I mean, it's it's one of those things where you know, that's what his character is, you know, and I genuinely like
the underdog story. I think most people do root for the underdogs, and Eddie kings Did is an underdog story. You know. Whether whether he does deserves to win or not, that's up to everybody's interpretation. I'm just saying that I do believe. You know, there's a large part of me that believes that this tournament right now is in Eddie Kingston's hands. That's it.
Now that you mentioned that Telson and I thought about the belts that Eddie Kingston currently has new Japan Pro Wrestling Strong Championship and then also the RH Championship. I don't know, Like maybe call me craziness is probably stupid thought, but like, how bit official can this Condental Classic be for r O eight Because they're gonna it's gonna be a triple crowd champion, So I assume that person also is gonna defend the belt on RH programming Like no, no, he
won, they won't. Are you sure? I'm sure? I mean literally, I mean, Eddie Kingston may defend the belt on R O H programming, but all the other people that are on this list with the shot at actually winning the belt or the belts, they're gonna be on a w programming. Okay, where would you put the belt gain, like the tier? Would it be above TNT and International Championship or below it? That's well, I personally feel the internet you said between the TNT and the International Championship?
Yeah, where would you ran it? Well? I personally have felt for months that the International Championship is the least prestigious championship in all of AW. I just you know, the whole orange cassidy is the AW International champion is boring to me, It really is. I mean, I'm a firm believer, even the wrestlers that I like, like the House of Black Julia Hart, I am a firm believer that that nobody should Roman raids the hell out of these belts. You know, they need to change hands to keep them
interesting. Jay Cargill was boring to me because she held onto the belt for too long. Chris Stantlander lost that belt at exactly the right time. The Trios Championship is boring to me right now because it's just stop being defended, you know, and the Trios there's no trios, teams really waiting in the wings. They're making them up as they go, and it just doesn't make any sense to me. But yeah, I mean this Continental Belt, where does it rank? We'll see who gets you know, I'm just gonna be
honest with you here. If the Continental Belt hangs hangs around the waste of somebody like John Moxley, swear Strickland, Jay White, for example, Brian Danielson on Trotty, I'll lead a low. I'm fine with it. I think that that belt would definitely be above the TNT title. If it's hanging around the waist of Eddie Kingston, it's just not a good belt. I'm
sorry. That's just the way I feel. Now other people may feel differently, and I respect that, but for me, Eddie Kingston, just looking at these rosters, these twelve wrestlers, I can honestly say eight of them are at least seven of them are far and away better wrestlers than Eddie Kingston and many to other people on the roster. So anyway, that's just my opinion, and I guess on that note, we will just end the show.
This was ignition from aw fan of and I want to thank Sleazy Renee and a professional did a great hosting job of your segments there, bro, Thank you so much, appreciate it, and we will see you. I don't know if we're gonna be here next week. We're smack Dad. Between Christmas and and uh New Year's, people will be traveling, spending time with their families, maybe getting you know, maybe having to work off the holiday meals. You know, that's what I'll be doing. Yeah, probably the
same thing here. I don't think I'll be around for the next episode because I'll be with my family where I'm at and that makes sense. But and yeah, also try to get over you know, the last turkey. Yeah, so we do have right now, We're gonna go ahead and go ahead with All Eat Talk tomorrow night, right after Dynamite. But if that changes a change. We are aw fans. We're not set on a schedule. We do what we do because we like what we do. But we're not
going to force anybody to participate, and that's in stint. Real life comes first anyway. This is Kelson for aw fan, humb Sleazy Renee the professional, Thank you once again, and good night everybody.